@@nobbyfirefly57basically the design. There’s this thing you use with HTML called CSS. CSS affects the design so like the color the font size what images can be shown hence, the name Cascading Style Sheet. It isn’t that complicated imo. It’s fun to play around with considering I’m dogwater at Java script.
@@ExodiumTM It's impressive how you're "pretty sure" while simultaneously know nothing about how that works. The cookie stores a session key generated ad-hoc and stored by the server and it will have an expiry date. Non cross-site cookies are inaccessible by any other website besides the ones that generated it. This key can be rendered invalid remotely if needed and it decays once you log out. The only way you can get hacked with it is if you already have RAT (Remote Access Trojan - a kind of virus) in your pc or literally share the key yourself somehow. A RAT will have full control on the target machine so that's obvious it can steal everything on it. Avoiding viruses is trivial nowadays.
@@ExodiumTMdepends on the app developer. If it has cookies, with many not so complex security measures like JWT, CORS, HTTPS, HSTS, and ip address check it's 100% safe However beware of browser password auto fill. It isn't encrypted and stored plaintext in a directory anyone can access
Shouldn’t that be illegal? Also, whoever is maintaining that didn’t go all the way with the group, so that’s kinda suspicious. They could say he’d be left behind to “share the word” but hey, the comet is gone.
I still read like crazy but the mess you have to wade through is insane nowadays. I remember a teacher saying there's no such thing as a dumb question, but that was stated before web 2.0.
@13.ghaniziyadsagiansyah66 Mostly nostalgia paired with rose colored glasses tbh. I'm probably happier (on scale) now than I've ever been, but I like to look back on the good things from back when.
On the old internet you’d just read and there was no feed. No doom-scrolling, no cookies, no algorithm. You came there with a mission, an interest and could genuinely explore and have that feeling of discovering and learning new things yourself. Shit wasn’t spoonfed to you by some corporate designed algorithm. Now the internet is no different than the TV. Minimal self decided interaction. Everything gone for the sake of convenience. People don’t realize that the difficulties it took to overcome was what made it fun in the first place. You had to figure it out. It wasn’t annoying in the way ads are. It was just something you had to try and find out how to operate. Finding obscure websites randomly and being the first one in your circle to know about them was a crazy pioneer type of feeling. Exploring links and reading up on stuff you never knew about, finding new interests and fascinations. That’s what really made the old internet what it was. Now we have apps. They all suck ass bc you don’t have any freedom. Everything is compartmentalized and there is no explorable overlap or common layers under the surface. No mystery. You always know what expects you and it’s trash
What you are looking for still exists and it has a name: wikipedia. It has none of the bullshit you critize and can suck you in for hours for true satisfaction
I mostly agree but there are actually small fragments and bastions of the old web that still exist. Corporations have indeed ruined more than 95% of it with their trash and monetization of everything.
I'm not sure if it's just me but I feel like the "old Internet" died around 2012. Because I remember before then how there was a stark contrast between TV and the Internet. Then it somewhat quickly melded into becoming the very thing it was trying to destroy.
No websites existed prior to 1991, as the HTTP protocol didn't exist. The domain names existed, but they were used for older technologies like WAIS and Gopher, FTP etc. Just because the domain was registered in the 80s and there's an outdated webpage there now, doesn't mean that webpage has existed since the 80s.
Please can we go back? I hate it when I need a couple kilobytes of text information on a congested or spotty data link and the website is loading 100MB of mixed media before it will show me anything. The browser should honestly be allowed to block all scripts so I can grab just the important info I need
This is possible though, you can block javascript and you can even block CSS with Tor. Unfortunately most modern websites break if you enable these settings, especially cloudfare websites
Oh yeah, so terrible that we have search engine and aggregate sites now... oh dear me having them all in the same place for me to easily find. No more exploring for me as I only watch videos on youtube short instead of going through blogs after blogs for content.
@@kaynkayn9870 Most modern search engines, especially Google's, are absolutely busted and useless. RUclips is highly restrictive with its content and very draconian towards its content creators, and the other major websites in which all the surface/mainstream level content is concentrated (Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Tiktok, etc.) aren't any better.
@@flowinsounds It was not really on the internet as we know it, it didnt use the Hypertextmarkuplanguage, the the transfer protocolls, the same way to refer to data, or a webbrowser. All this came later, in 89' allthough some adresses existed in a different way.
i'm asking for details. I used news groups, and remote file sharing over the JANET/KAREN networks in the early 90s,so lots of command line unix access, but would like to know more of the websites of the time. This was with BNC terminated networking, before switched tcp/ip@@ABW941
@@flowinsounds html & http protocol weren't invented until 1989 and were subsequntly released for general public use in 1991. Typically before that "web" sites were actually bulletin board systems - sometimes the code was open source, sometimes proprietry (e.g. in the UK - Prestel, Micronet, etc). Precursors to html were (e.g.) text formattinmg and markup "languages" like Runoff and LaTeX.
@@butwhytharum I think one of the general recurring issues in the video and in the comment section is the idea that “internet” and “world wide web” are synonymous. Tim Berners-Lee invented the web at CERN (but not necessarily _for_ CERN) and it was designed to work on the already-established internet.
@@charlie.on.youtube The web was made for CERN, at CERN. So his site IS the first. So NOTHING on the web is older then that, which is 1991. Before that we had other systems, based on the internet. Like ftp-sites and Gopher. By the way, I started/worked on websites back in 1992/1993 is still there. Both the computer association Update, Uppsala Swrden. And University of Gävle/Sandviken. It they are still running. But neither are so retro.
@@proto_arkbit3100Don't forget all the wacky "diverse public" green, purple, and blue people with their tiny skewed heads and gargantuan king kong arms on indiscernible bodies riding unicycles and planting gardens while doing handstands. "Teehee we're so unique and quirky and relatable. We represent everyone by depicting no one!" --Every tech company since like 2008
Overdesigined today. Hahahahaha. Dude. Internet were filled with internet designs in the 90's. It used to be millions of private web pages looking cool. Today there is not much web pages existing anymore. Social media ruined internet.
An actual web site from the 1980s That's pretty cool, considering the web and HTML1 wasn't invented until 1991. Whoever made those pages needs to be employed as a futurist now.
Using tables was the second strategy I learned. The first was using a 1-pixel transparent GIF and resizing it so, for example, you could indent text or insert space between sections.
Fun fact, if you want to write html for emails you still need to use tables. In fact only a small subset of html 4 works at all in non-browser email clients like outlook. Think maybe it's because outlook uses IE? Wrong, it's because outlook uses word as it's html engine. Also things like Gmail remove style tags so all styles need to be inline, and pretty much every span needs to repeat all its font styles. I work at a company that processes 100m emails a day and this is my personal hell.
I love the DIY quality of the old internet. It had a defined aesthetic and artistic/creative quality. Everything is homogenised by service providers now so the internet is just this massive corporate extension.
As someone who loves sporks I can't believe I never knew about that website. Sports are awesome for eating soup because you can scoop like normal but you can also stab specific pieces from the soup. That's about the only time I use them but I love them for that purpose.
Google preserved many old forums, usenet groups and even bulletin board systems, not only by allowing us to find them, but even by actually hosting them on Google Groups. The companies that ran them couldn't make money out of them by the late 90s because the internet had become relatively widespread, so most were archived, some were even lost. Google bought such archives and preserved a lot of (pre-)internet history that way. A few years ago I read a BBS thread from 1982 where they talk about "that new E.T. Atari game that had just come out" (that came to be known as one of the worst games of all time). It felt so interesting reading it. As for forums, I used to find forum posts from 1997-1999 from time to time until a couple of years ago. I have interests in video games from that era and troubleshooting them sometimes leads to such old sources. I don't consider them all that ancient because you can easily find user reviews on IMDb from '99. Not that I used the internet back then, I was born in 1990 and started using the internet in 2002, but there are slightly older people for whom life on the internet in the early 2000s doesn't feel ancient yet - nostalgic, yes, but it wasn't 60 years ago. I'd say a more significant watershed between old and new internet is 2005-2008 or so, when RUclips, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit etc took over. Of those RUclips seems to be the most significant time capsule, not that people commonly watch personal videos from 15 years ago, but when you watch the official upload of an older song it's usually from 2008-09 when Vevo was initiated so music labels could profit from RUclips rather than allowing random people to amass tens and later hundreds of millions of views.
1987 is when I first went online and I haven’t stopped since! My first log-in was with a group called “ECHO” which stands for East Coast Hang Out; based in New York City, originating at NY University computer studies dept (don’t recall exactly). After that I joined Compuserve and then AOL. It’s been quite a ride!
@@kasrakh86 I've actually considered reviving it myself. It's still up technically, but hasn't been used in over a decade. I'm taking some pretty intense college classes right now, but will probably pick it back up in the summer. We have a very big family with a lot of history, and I think it would be nice to preserve that somewhere.
A website using table tags in no way whatsoever dates it. Those are still used today on many websites and the tag is not deprecated, etc. For data output in tables, the table tag is.... the right thing to use. Also, I was part of the group of developers that created the very first webpage and set up the first HTTP server for Youngstown State University, sometime around 1993.
My favorite old website that's still online is an ancient Pokemon fanfiction and fanart website named The Pokemon Tower. Came online in the early 2000s and lasted until 2012 when it just simply stopped getting updates. Didn't get shut down or anything, there's even still a contest running to win a 3DS. Just simply abandoned.
@@knife-wieldingspidergod5059 If you're referring to the flash player that shows up on the first page, that's the only thing about the site that no longer works. There's a link below it to go to the main page.
I remember visiting the milk website and reading his statement about how he will only accept email offers in the 10's of millions. So i emailed him and said, "You should never make public your sale price, when it's more than a Platinum grade ( $100,000 ) hitman. This isn't a threat, it's advice."
You should cover ham radio repeaters like 10 meter repeaters and 440 mhz repeaters and 2 meter repeaters and old analog radios vs new digital sdr rtl radios.
It's crazy to think none of this existed when I was born and now there are adults with children of their own who are younger than some of these websites.
I'm supposing the ones before 1994 weren't WWW, but existed as something like a BBS or a newsgroup before they actually became a website. Or is there something I don't know?
If I recally correctly, 94 is just when the WWW started getting big, the most basic of it's technologies (e.g. the Mosaic browser) were present in the late 80s if I recall correctly.
The University of Minnesota had developed a hyperlinked text based technology that was called gopher (after the school’s sports teams name); port 70 on the servers handled that protocol. Port 80 became the port for the servers designed to work with HTML. The key takeaway is to understand that one technology took advantage of and used some earlier technology while adding features.
The Internet and the World Wide Web are 2 distinct things. The www dates to the mid 90’s but the Internet was already 20 years old at that time. I’ve been on the Internet before www. Sites used gopher to present information, it was the precursor of html.
It's actually so much harder to get into low level development because we're so used to bloated, simplified firmware and have so many opportunities for learning to code etc, but well-taught content for the actual basics is SO hard to find. Companies found out that you could make money selling simplified versions of software and completely left behind the actual vision of connecting the world and getting people into technology. We produced generations of people who do online banking and edit entire movies on a computer but don't know how an IP address works. And that's what they want. They want many people to depend on few companies who charge for bad software that's only demanded because their customers don't know the very basics of what they're actually working with. Not claiming that everyone should be a master of machine code, but it's a shame that we live in an era where most people have to Google how to use their Windows console. The irony...
Only some bunch of my fellas will understand the hype that we feel when we read ALOT of a web and then see a blue word that means A LINK to another page XD
no, the thing is, really simple websites that are just ,like, text fit well automatically onto mobile web browsers, because they are really easy to render. so, the joke is that he is complimenting them for a feature they didn't go out of their way to implement.
@@cat47... Or you know the average computer in 1994 was like 640x480 pixels resolution, so a modern phone would be a top end CAD workstation costing $50k
Well, they wrote the web site the way it was originally intended. The idea being that you only deliver the content and leave the presentation to the device displaying it.
@@grossteilfahrer : Relative speeds aren't relevant here, it's literally responsive just bwcause old sites didn't usually try to set the width for anything other than padding. Except for really large screens, there's rarely an actual reason to set a width for things, graphics design types and the folks that really abused tables (often the same group...) just keep doing the wrong thing because they aren't properly adjusting to the technology.
The most surprising to me is sporks. It appeared around the year internet became viable and some could afford it in my country. However sporks themselves have been here at maximum for 20 years if that. I missed a whole famous utensil and it took me until now to find out what they're called (in english, as never heard a word for that in my tiny Eastern European language)..
Irrelevant piece of trivia: both the word and the utensil "spork" are just a combination of a spoon and a fork, so there's a decent chance that you can actually translate _the word_ into your native language.
How could those oldest websites have been websites before the invention HTTP, HTML, and URLs? Or were they something else first and later became websites?
The earliest website technology was developed at two places in the very early 1990s: CERN in Europe and the University of Illinois at Urbana Champlain. Nuclear physics was being exchanged between those two. They each wrote their own web server software, the one from the USA evolved into the web server software known as Apache.
Would love to see a deeper dive on these "ancient" websites. I mean, I do know about the tech and its history, but would be nice to have a comprehensive video material to refer for my younger colleagues who missed this content when learning web development.
Back in the 90s people used to have “flame wars” (arguments) because someone would post a non essential graphic on their own web page and get harshly criticized by multiple people about how he was wasting internet bandwidth. Only text was allowed by these people unless absolutely necessary 😂
All websites were originally mobile responsive, as basic HTML used all dynamic layouts. Then came fixed with tables, and that's when we lost responsivity, until it returned in the late 2000s and beyond.
The Wall Street journal had a BBS back in 1985 for certain. I'm not sure how long before that it may have had that site. If they converted their BBS into a website in 1992, that surely would make them one of the oldest sites around.
So April 30, 1993, was when the "Internet" became available to the general public. So how can you have business "websites" before then? Anything that came before would have been BBS-related and not true sites as related to the WWW.
Remember the commercials that used to air in the 90s?? 'Can you read a book from a library on the other side of the world? You will.' I'm having some flashbacks with this short! 😮😮
I appreciate this. I find it increasingly hard to find older sites, their all being bought. People need to be more original cuz I'm about tired of the same thing from now on..
I miss times when sites didn't have cookie banners and didn't beg for subscription and so on. Gave you what you needed without annoying you or greed for money.
Hey @codingwithlewis maybe just try doing the most basic of research to understand the actual history of the web, plus the difference between a domain name and a website.
It's mobile responsive 😂
Well, your web is automatically mobile responsive if it doesn't have a stylesheet :D
@@CZghostwhat’s a stylesheet?
@@nobbyfirefly57code to beautify the page (colors, sizes, etc...) instead of leaving it as pure text
@@nobbyfirefly57a stylesheet is used to improve the visuals of html and ejs. Common stylesheet extensions are .css and .scss
@@nobbyfirefly57basically the design. There’s this thing you use with HTML called CSS. CSS affects the design so like the color the font size what images can be shown hence, the name Cascading Style Sheet. It isn’t that complicated imo. It’s fun to play around with considering I’m dogwater at Java script.
And they don't implement cookies 🙂
Cookies are the things that automatically log you in so you don't need to retype your password every time. Some cookies are good.
@@paskky913 pretty sure that ain't safe...
@@ExodiumTMonly if someone steal your cookies
@@ExodiumTM It's impressive how you're "pretty sure" while simultaneously know nothing about how that works.
The cookie stores a session key generated ad-hoc and stored by the server and it will have an expiry date.
Non cross-site cookies are inaccessible by any other website besides the ones that generated it.
This key can be rendered invalid remotely if needed and it decays once you log out. The only way you can get hacked with it is if you already have RAT (Remote Access Trojan - a kind of virus) in your pc or literally share the key yourself somehow. A RAT will have full control on the target machine so that's obvious it can steal everything on it.
Avoiding viruses is trivial nowadays.
@@ExodiumTMdepends on the app developer. If it has cookies, with many not so complex security measures like JWT, CORS, HTTPS, HSTS, and ip address check it's 100% safe
However beware of browser password auto fill. It isn't encrypted and stored plaintext in a directory anyone can access
You forgot the Heaven’s Gate cult website from 1997 that’s still up. One member is still alive that maintains it
Now THAT is (morbidly?) fascinating. You need more upvotes.
That's wack bruh
Shouldn’t that be illegal? Also, whoever is maintaining that didn’t go all the way with the group, so that’s kinda suspicious. They could say he’d be left behind to “share the word” but hey, the comet is gone.
I thought theres 2 people running it?
Oh wow😬
I miss the old internet.
I used to read and read and read like crazy before I had access to much books.
Me too, was a really exciting time to be alive.
I still read like crazy but the mess you have to wade through is insane nowadays. I remember a teacher saying there's no such thing as a dumb question, but that was stated before web 2.0.
@13.ghaniziyadsagiansyah66 Mostly nostalgia paired with rose colored glasses tbh. I'm probably happier (on scale) now than I've ever been, but I like to look back on the good things from back when.
@@13.ghaniziyadsagiansyah66 _"Wtf are people so OBSESSED with the past"_
Wtf do you not understand the difference between NOSTALGIA and obsession?
@13.ghaniziyadsagiansyah66 I understand that. It's definitely to be taken in moderation. Best to learn from the past, not live in it.
“Over time it has evolved and this is what it looks like now”
👴🏻->👴🏻
I was blown-away by the redesign! So old-school 😲
Maybe the guy who runs the sites just stops caring about it for another years
maybe the old school look is the brand@@SiPakRubah
More like 😀->😃
If you update something old a heck of a long time ago.... it's still gonna be old.
On the old internet you’d just read and there was no feed. No doom-scrolling, no cookies, no algorithm. You came there with a mission, an interest and could genuinely explore and have that feeling of discovering and learning new things yourself. Shit wasn’t spoonfed to you by some corporate designed algorithm. Now the internet is no different than the TV. Minimal self decided interaction. Everything gone for the sake of convenience. People don’t realize that the difficulties it took to overcome was what made it fun in the first place. You had to figure it out. It wasn’t annoying in the way ads are. It was just something you had to try and find out how to operate. Finding obscure websites randomly and being the first one in your circle to know about them was a crazy pioneer type of feeling. Exploring links and reading up on stuff you never knew about, finding new interests and fascinations. That’s what really made the old internet what it was. Now we have apps. They all suck ass bc you don’t have any freedom. Everything is compartmentalized and there is no explorable overlap or common layers under the surface. No mystery. You always know what expects you and it’s trash
What you are looking for still exists and it has a name: wikipedia. It has none of the bullshit you critize and can suck you in for hours for true satisfaction
I mostly agree but there are actually small fragments and bastions of the old web that still exist. Corporations have indeed ruined more than 95% of it with their trash and monetization of everything.
I'm not sure if it's just me but I feel like the "old Internet" died around 2012. Because I remember before then how there was a stark contrast between TV and the Internet. Then it somewhat quickly melded into becoming the very thing it was trying to destroy.
Facebook was a big hit in part, because there were no ads.
Wow! This took me back. The best way I've heard "the Internet used to be so much better".
No websites existed prior to 1991, as the HTTP protocol didn't exist. The domain names existed, but they were used for older technologies like WAIS and Gopher, FTP etc. Just because the domain was registered in the 80s and there's an outdated webpage there now, doesn't mean that webpage has existed since the 80s.
You’re correct. This video is misleading.
Gopher! Holy shit, I'm old.
@@EmperorMegas you and me both man
I've been on internet email since 1980.
@@UkeCan1the internet is older than the web (http)
My theory is that someone pays the server costs for these sites to make sure that new JavaScript, HTML and CSS engines are backwards compatible.
I was going to like your comment but I didn’t want to change the 69 likes.
As a "reference checkpoint" ? So that we don't sway away from the original syntax? Pretty cool thought I'd say
Why? Is there some law that says that browsers have to be able to load old web pages?
@@langelle1 no but because it would be insane if html or css wasnt backwards compatible
Imagine the havoc if sites started morphing into fugly unreadable making the Internet useless.
Please can we go back? I hate it when I need a couple kilobytes of text information on a congested or spotty data link and the website is loading 100MB of mixed media before it will show me anything. The browser should honestly be allowed to block all scripts so I can grab just the important info I need
This is possible though, you can block javascript and you can even block CSS with Tor. Unfortunately most modern websites break if you enable these settings, especially cloudfare websites
@@oyveygoyI'm pretty sure you can load any website as html
I use the NoScript extension in firefox to do that very thing. Has worked great for me for years now.
@@JohnCoffinsThey never said you couldn't.
Unfortunately most modern websites rely too heavily on JavaScript and render nothing without it.
When Dreamweaver is new technology, that’s how you know it’s old.
Sir I need your help
Can we talk
my manager told me about DreamWeaver a week ago, it felt like I got back to Stone Age, and I’m a dude who still codes his newsletters by hand !
Hahaha I made my first website with dreamweaver!!
@@ElectricRainbowCloudssame here
I’d completely forgotten about Dreamweaver, and I used it a lot. Strange because all you needed back then was notepad.
Back when the Internet was worth exploring
Oh yeah, so terrible that we have search engine and aggregate sites now... oh dear me having them all in the same place for me to easily find. No more exploring for me as I only watch videos on youtube short instead of going through blogs after blogs for content.
@@kaynkayn9870 yep
@@kaynkayn9870 Most modern search engines, especially Google's, are absolutely busted and useless. RUclips is highly restrictive with its content and very draconian towards its content creators, and the other major websites in which all the surface/mainstream level content is concentrated (Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Tiktok, etc.) aren't any better.
@@kaynkayn9870enjoying the globohomo slop?
@@kaynkayn9870All the sites I search up are shit. Reused and AI generated, it seems
Those 80s "websites" were not on the www, and used something else but HTML.
explain.
@@flowinsounds It was not really on the internet as we know it, it didnt use the Hypertextmarkuplanguage, the the transfer protocolls, the same way to refer to data, or a webbrowser. All this came later, in 89' allthough some adresses existed in a different way.
i'm asking for details. I used news groups, and remote file sharing over the JANET/KAREN networks in the early 90s,so lots of command line unix access, but would like to know more of the websites of the time. This was with BNC terminated networking, before switched tcp/ip@@ABW941
@@ABW941 He did not show any "websites" from the 80s. He mentioned business that were founded in the 80s... Not the same thing.
@@flowinsounds html & http protocol weren't invented until 1989 and were subsequntly released for general public use in 1991.
Typically before that "web" sites were actually bulletin board systems - sometimes the code was open source, sometimes proprietry (e.g. in the UK - Prestel, Micronet, etc).
Precursors to html were (e.g.) text formattinmg and markup "languages" like Runoff and LaTeX.
Honestly these need to be kept around just for the sheer historic/nostalgic value
probs would have an entry in the Library of Congress at least.
“CLAIMS to be the first website”. Tell me you don’t know internet history without telling me you don’t know about internet history.
Came for this comment
thought the internet was invented to be used at Cern.
@@butwhytharum I think one of the general recurring issues in the video and in the comment section is the idea that “internet” and “world wide web” are synonymous. Tim Berners-Lee invented the web at CERN (but not necessarily _for_ CERN) and it was designed to work on the already-established internet.
Don't forget "made with TABLES"
@@charlie.on.youtube The web was made for CERN, at CERN. So his site IS the first.
So NOTHING on the web is older then that, which is 1991.
Before that we had other systems, based on the internet. Like ftp-sites and Gopher.
By the way, I started/worked on websites back in 1992/1993 is still there. Both the computer association Update, Uppsala Swrden.
And University of Gävle/Sandviken. It they are still running. But neither are so retro.
i miss the old internet.
So much
Old internet, win98, netscape browser, 5-10 kbps modem, runescape, flash games... All gone :(
The old Internet was the mail 📬
Why are we still here? Just to suffer…?
before it was overtaken and monopolized/centralized by corporations
yup
The net still feels like a recent thing.
It's cuz we're old😂
@@hamdelsun68 _Sigh_ I know.😂
Better than most of the silly overdesigned websites today lol
I miss the old skeumorphic design, minimalist/fluent corporate design is the graphical version of a cold hospital waiting room
@@proto_arkbit3100Don't forget all the wacky "diverse public" green, purple, and blue people with their tiny skewed heads and gargantuan king kong arms on indiscernible bodies riding unicycles and planting gardens while doing handstands.
"Teehee we're so unique and quirky and relatable. We represent everyone by depicting no one!" --Every tech company since like 2008
Overdesigined today. Hahahahaha. Dude. Internet were filled with internet designs in the 90's. It used to be millions of private web pages looking cool. Today there is not much web pages existing anymore. Social media ruined internet.
An actual web site from the 1980s That's pretty cool, considering the web and HTML1 wasn't invented until 1991. Whoever made those pages needs to be employed as a futurist now.
😂😂 Fr
Before HTML there were GML (IBM), SGML (CERN) and HyperMedia (Apple). Each with their own browser.
@@larsjonasson2959 Fun fact: The term "web site" was first used in 1993 (2 years after its "invention"), and used in the context of the WWW.
@@larsjonasson2959HTML is SGML.
@@larsjonasson2959No one ever called s hypercard deck a 'website'
Honestly being a systems company with one of the oldest websites is one hell of a marketing move
Can't really fix what ain't broke, that's for sure.
They're bringing something to the table
@@Eduardo_Espinozasi viva la revolution carajo!
Using tables was the second strategy I learned. The first was using a 1-pixel transparent GIF and resizing it so, for example, you could indent text or insert space between sections.
Oh MAN I remember using 1x1 "pixel.gif" files! Back when "width = 10px" didn't always equal ten pixels, and you had to force it.
tables are still commonly used its just that they are often heavily stylized with CSS.
Btw how would you center div without flex, transform or margin auto
@@Gameplayer55055 with percentage
@@Gameplayer55055 Center tag, or align=center .... it took me YEARS to deprogram myself from that.
Megadeath were the first musical artists to have an official website
*Megadeth
@@freakazoid4691 DOH!
Fun fact, if you want to write html for emails you still need to use tables. In fact only a small subset of html 4 works at all in non-browser email clients like outlook. Think maybe it's because outlook uses IE? Wrong, it's because outlook uses word as it's html engine. Also things like Gmail remove style tags so all styles need to be inline, and pretty much every span needs to repeat all its font styles. I work at a company that processes 100m emails a day and this is my personal hell.
IE is a browser.
@@djperryboy I believe he meant IE's rendering engine, Trident. But yeah, Outlook uses WORD's engine lol Literal hell.
HTML can truly stand the test of time
And ruined the internet by letting dolts use it. I liked it much better before browsers.
@@DeeegerDNope, that is what makes it shine! Without those "dolts" the net would be only in niche places.
@@DeeegerDI think the Internet was better when it was clay tablets and pictograms. These stupid alphabets allow any moron to read and write, cringe.
Rip
@@gauthamnair6075Agreed when used properly (it almost never was) it was extremely useful.
I love the DIY quality of the old internet. It had a defined aesthetic and artistic/creative quality. Everything is homogenised by service providers now so the internet is just this massive corporate extension.
As someone who loves sporks I can't believe I never knew about that website.
Sports are awesome for eating soup because you can scoop like normal but you can also stab specific pieces from the soup.
That's about the only time I use them but I love them for that purpose.
I maintain that not recognising the blink tag was how Internet Explorer won the browser wars.
I was looking for info on how to repair an accordion and I ended up in a forum entry from the 90s
Google preserved many old forums, usenet groups and even bulletin board systems, not only by allowing us to find them, but even by actually hosting them on Google Groups. The companies that ran them couldn't make money out of them by the late 90s because the internet had become relatively widespread, so most were archived, some were even lost. Google bought such archives and preserved a lot of (pre-)internet history that way.
A few years ago I read a BBS thread from 1982 where they talk about "that new E.T. Atari game that had just come out" (that came to be known as one of the worst games of all time). It felt so interesting reading it.
As for forums, I used to find forum posts from 1997-1999 from time to time until a couple of years ago. I have interests in video games from that era and troubleshooting them sometimes leads to such old sources. I don't consider them all that ancient because you can easily find user reviews on IMDb from '99. Not that I used the internet back then, I was born in 1990 and started using the internet in 2002, but there are slightly older people for whom life on the internet in the early 2000s doesn't feel ancient yet - nostalgic, yes, but it wasn't 60 years ago.
I'd say a more significant watershed between old and new internet is 2005-2008 or so, when RUclips, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit etc took over. Of those RUclips seems to be the most significant time capsule, not that people commonly watch personal videos from 15 years ago, but when you watch the official upload of an older song it's usually from 2008-09 when Vevo was initiated so music labels could profit from RUclips rather than allowing random people to amass tens and later hundreds of millions of views.
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How is that possible?
"based in california"
*zoom on hawaii intensifies*
Sometimes I just miss the 90s, so I can just turn on some 90s music and visit these websites 😂
What's stopping you from doing this now?
The old internet, so earnest and unfiltered. Felt like wilderness.
Someone is beating the time despite this oldnesses 😮
Old times website give off such nostalgic vibes
a site made with tables, that's why it still works
Had a job moving those to divs in the early 2010s
If you've eaten military ration packs, sporks become important.
im not solid snake
@@BuruKyu Well, whose fault is that?
1987 is when I first went online and I haven’t stopped since! My first log-in was with a group called “ECHO” which stands for East Coast Hang Out; based in New York City, originating at NY University computer studies dept (don’t recall exactly). After that I joined Compuserve and then AOL. It’s been quite a ride!
What do you mean "claims"? İts literally the first website made to test the internet
Probably didn't check for any source confirming it and realised that during recording or editing.
He literally mentioned two older websites after it
He literally named 2 older websites after it
@@Nathan-mu1pzbut they arent older
@@bigbread3 how is 1987 and 1986 not older than 1991?
My family owns a domain that my dad bought in the 90s. We used it as a family blog until social media came around
interesting. I thought they were still "free" to obtain then, and nothing was commercial on the Internet back then
@@laus9953 Honestly could be the case. The domain is older than I am
you've always had to pay for domains@@laus9953
Do you guys still have the site? If so, have you tried doing other things with it?
@@kasrakh86 I've actually considered reviving it myself. It's still up technically, but hasn't been used in over a decade. I'm taking some pretty intense college classes right now, but will probably pick it back up in the summer. We have a very big family with a lot of history, and I think it would be nice to preserve that somewhere.
Berkshire Hathaway isn't that old, but it still maintains a very retro look.
facts, i love the retro look, reminds you of when your flash plugin for your browser stops working and all the stuff is in HTML
I want to go back to 2013
same bro.
YES, PLEASE LET ME RETURN
I WAS HAPPY AND HAD NO IDEA
Absolutely AMAZING times man, seriously. You just summed up my best dreams and wishes.
A web site from 1986?
Isn't that like a cell phone from the middle ages?
Yeah this guy is making things up for content.
@@kless001 seems like it.
"you already know about this one" ... no, i wasn't born yet
I think this dude wasn't born yet either. He's just guessing
I come from the BBS days. I was just telling a story the other day about I managed to get my parents a $430 phone bill in 1989
I knew how to make free international phone calls in the early '80s.
I remember being 10 and installing a hit counter on my geocities website with animated pentagrams. Those were the good ol days.
Wdym claims to be. CERN invented the internet, I‘d be pretty confident that that includes the first webpage
Invented the www, not invented the Internet.
“the most basic website”
about:blank has entered the chat
I knew nothing about about:blank and honestly was thoroughly disappointed it wasn't just a white page with only the word "blank" on it.
that's not a website zoomer
I'm amused the computer they picture in this video is an old IBM PC Jr. It's older than any of these websites, from the mid 1980's.
A website using table tags in no way whatsoever dates it. Those are still used today on many websites and the tag is not deprecated, etc. For data output in tables, the table tag is.... the right thing to use. Also, I was part of the group of developers that created the very first webpage and set up the first HTTP server for Youngstown State University, sometime around 1993.
Nobody uses tables now
My favorite old website that's still online is an ancient Pokemon fanfiction and fanart website named The Pokemon Tower. Came online in the early 2000s and lasted until 2012 when it just simply stopped getting updates. Didn't get shut down or anything, there's even still a contest running to win a 3DS. Just simply abandoned.
It needs a plug-in.
@@knife-wieldingspidergod5059 If you're referring to the flash player that shows up on the first page, that's the only thing about the site that no longer works. There's a link below it to go to the main page.
I always look forward to your videos. They're both educational and entertaining!
I remember visiting the milk website and reading his statement about how he will only accept email offers in the 10's of millions.
So i emailed him and said,
"You should never make public your sale price, when it's more than a Platinum grade ( $100,000 ) hitman. This isn't a threat, it's advice."
"its mobile responsive" got me super bad 😂
This got me. I thought "Hello World" would be the first one
The old web was so exciting.
“You already know about this one.”
No. No I didn’t…
Ah, back when websites actually had good aesthetics instead of being “postmodern” garbage
You should cover ham radio repeaters like 10 meter repeaters and 440 mhz repeaters and 2 meter repeaters and old analog radios vs new digital sdr rtl radios.
It's crazy to think none of this existed when I was born and now there are adults with children of their own who are younger than some of these websites.
Yeah it's really weird to tell my son (aren't I still a kid?) that the internet didn't exist and neither did "phones" as they do now.
I tell my son I'm older than Google. He thinks I'm joking.
Wow! Space Jam actually still existed.
No it's gone. Its now a modern site for the stupid new movie with LeBron James. I was pissed when they did it.
@askjeevescosby2928 no, it's still there. I was just on it a minute ago. Just dig a little deeper.
Pre-CSS day had to be wild ...
Berkshire Hathaway's website iirc has been last updated in 1997 and hasn't changed since.
Edit: The sad part is it's not responsive.
I know how to make websites responsive but I don't know to connect them to the databases
When they think that table is sing of oldness, and you your whole life knew knew that tables is sign of perfection
I'm supposing the ones before 1994 weren't WWW, but existed as something like a BBS or a newsgroup before they actually became a website. Or is there something I don't know?
If I recally correctly, 94 is just when the WWW started getting big, the most basic of it's technologies (e.g. the Mosaic browser) were present in the late 80s if I recall correctly.
The University of Minnesota had developed a hyperlinked text based technology that was called gopher (after the school’s sports teams name); port 70 on the servers handled that protocol. Port 80 became the port for the servers designed to work with HTML.
The key takeaway is to understand that one technology took advantage of and used some earlier technology while adding features.
The Internet and the World Wide Web are 2 distinct things. The www dates to the mid 90’s but the Internet was already 20 years old at that time. I’ve been on the Internet before www. Sites used gopher to present information, it was the precursor of html.
The CERN site from 1991 is the first web site. They released the underlying software in 1993. It exploded after that.
Hahaha these sites looks like a high school assignment
It's actually so much harder to get into low level development because we're so used to bloated, simplified firmware and have so many opportunities for learning to code etc, but well-taught content for the actual basics is SO hard to find. Companies found out that you could make money selling simplified versions of software and completely left behind the actual vision of connecting the world and getting people into technology. We produced generations of people who do online banking and edit entire movies on a computer but don't know how an IP address works.
And that's what they want. They want many people to depend on few companies who charge for bad software that's only demanded because their customers don't know the very basics of what they're actually working with.
Not claiming that everyone should be a master of machine code, but it's a shame that we live in an era where most people have to Google how to use their Windows console. The irony...
Only some bunch of my fellas will understand the hype that we feel when we read ALOT of a web and then see a blue word that means A LINK to another page XD
"Hype" 😂
The fact that they made the most basic website mobile responsive while adding nothing else is another level of trolling🤣
no, the thing is, really simple websites that are just ,like, text fit well automatically onto mobile web browsers, because they are really easy to render. so, the joke is that he is complimenting them for a feature they didn't go out of their way to implement.
@@cat47... Or you know the average computer in 1994 was like 640x480 pixels resolution, so a modern phone would be a top end CAD workstation costing $50k
Well, they wrote the web site the way it was originally intended. The idea being that you only deliver the content and leave the presentation to the device displaying it.
@@grossteilfahrer : Relative speeds aren't relevant here, it's literally responsive just bwcause old sites didn't usually try to set the width for anything other than padding. Except for really large screens, there's rarely an actual reason to set a width for things, graphics design types and the folks that really abused tables (often the same group...) just keep doing the wrong thing because they aren't properly adjusting to the technology.
And the fact that they wrote their email address with "at" and the wrote "replace at with @", just so it wouldn't turn into a link.
The little milk figure guy looks like one of the graphics from the original Lollapalooza.
As a web developer who started in the 1990s, yes, all websites used to be made with tables. 'Twas a simpler time...
Microsoft Frontpage, for the win!
I only had frontpage express on my windows 95 machine :)
These kids think the internet started with web pages 😂😅
Ikr lol
Also if they talking websites Hampster Dance should be included with a honorable mention its been going since 98 unchanged.
Doesn't mention BBS or IRC or anything like that. Sad!
@@sirllamaiii9708Read the title.
@@deus_ex_machina_ I don't care about what's right or applicable to the context. I just want to feel like I'm in the know.
I miss this era of the internet. It was created by all of us, not corporations. No spam. No ads. No pop ups. No cookies.
The most surprising to me is sporks. It appeared around the year internet became viable and some could afford it in my country. However sporks themselves have been here at maximum for 20 years if that. I missed a whole famous utensil and it took me until now to find out what they're called (in english, as never heard a word for that in my tiny Eastern European language)..
Irrelevant piece of trivia: both the word and the utensil "spork" are just a combination of a spoon and a fork, so there's a decent chance that you can actually translate _the word_ into your native language.
This is wrong . The oldest website is actually Oracle website for java
That's why it runs on billions of devices 🤯
Not sure if sarcastic, but HTML/WWW was invented at CERN...
@@privy15the joke is that oracles website is extremely outdated
@mcnugget3851 I think they updated it last year
@@_drivEN_they updated it now its only outdated by a decade
How could those oldest websites have been websites before the invention HTTP, HTML, and URLs? Or were they something else first and later became websites?
The earliest website technology was developed at two places in the very early 1990s: CERN in Europe and the University of Illinois at Urbana Champlain. Nuclear physics was being exchanged between those two. They each wrote their own web server software, the one from the USA evolved into the web server software known as Apache.
The cutting skills here are beyond anything
Would love to see a deeper dive on these "ancient" websites. I mean, I do know about the tech and its history, but would be nice to have a comprehensive video material to refer for my younger colleagues who missed this content when learning web development.
Me...
Goooood old times
I would like to watch a full length video of this!
Those were the days 😢
Caine Farber really has a weird logo , makes you wonder what it's really about.
Crazy how all of this were online before i was even born lol
spacejam is gone, has been since the new film came out
Somewhere my Bebo account is still floating.
Back in the 90s people used to have “flame wars” (arguments) because someone would post a non essential graphic on their own web page and get harshly criticized by multiple people about how he was wasting internet bandwidth. Only text was allowed by these people unless absolutely necessary 😂
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Imagine finding the oldest website and the joy of it being mobile responsive 😌
Remember, cern has their own TLD. Meanwhile we have troubles getting even usable DN.
ITCorp looks like a project I made in my computer programming class and not an actual website
that one dev making 2m/y maintaining this site and cannot retire for eternety, imagine a 30yo systel hf maintaining
Like the Voyager programmed in fortran
There’s another called Betty Lou Music. It started in the late 90’s, and is still up
All websites were originally mobile responsive, as basic HTML used all dynamic layouts. Then came fixed with tables, and that's when we lost responsivity, until it returned in the late 2000s and beyond.
The Wall Street journal had a BBS back in 1985 for certain. I'm not sure how long before that it may have had that site. If they converted their BBS into a website in 1992, that surely would make them one of the oldest sites around.
So April 30, 1993, was when the "Internet" became available to the general public. So how can you have business "websites" before then? Anything that came before would have been BBS-related and not true sites as related to the WWW.
Talking about HTML tables like it’s dinosaur talk
Remember the commercials that used to air in the 90s??
'Can you read a book from a library on the other side of the world? You will.'
I'm having some flashbacks with this short! 😮😮
Love that they are still live. I hope they never come down.
I appreciate this. I find it increasingly hard to find older sites, their all being bought. People need to be more original cuz I'm about tired of the same thing from now on..
Al Gore invented the internet so his page should be in the mix.
I miss times when sites didn't have cookie banners and didn't beg for subscription and so on. Gave you what you needed without annoying you or greed for money.
Hey @codingwithlewis maybe just try doing the most basic of research to understand the actual history of the web, plus the difference between a domain name and a website.