This was insultingly bad writing: "The Acolyte" Episode 8 Deep Dive
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Headland: “How did you like my show? Bold and brash?
Me: “More like belongs in the trash!” 😂
Headland: "I give birth to art!"
Disney: "Oh boy."
_Click_ *Ratings disappear*
Disney: 😬😱
Now this comment was funny! 😂
Me: "It`s bold... of you to release it!"
It's bold in terms of jerking people around but...she may have gone too far in a few places
I guess the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise, was that he was in the Acolyte.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂. I’m dead
Palpatine ""did you ever hear about darth plagueis the wise?""
Leslie ""no but im now going to make a bunch of Shit up about him! thanks for telling me.""
😂😂😂
Not very wise of the man
I’d argue Disney should pull a Willow with this show and scrub it from Disney+ and declare it noncanon. If there was ever a show to scrub for a tax write off, this is one.
YES!
That would be funny to witness. All that time, all that money, and all that effort, and the ratings and viewings turned out to be worse than Willow and would be dropped.
So sad, I loved Willow (the movie), but the show was a slog. But even more egregious was them cancelling and removing (???) The Mysterious Benedict Society 😢
💯💯
Mae: I want you to be happy Osha!
Osha: I'll train in the Dark Side.
Mae: Great idea, the Dark Side is such a happy and peaceful path to take in life.
...
Real Sith would laugh at the idea of a happy, peaceful life. "Peace is a lie. There is only Passion" literally the first part of the Sith code.
But these here are the bootleg Sith Lords made by Disney, one of the most creatively bankrupt companies in the world.
@@takuid which is funny because they *literally reference the Sith Code* in episode 2. In one of the only lines from the entire show I liked, where Qimir says "And peace, as we know," then Mae is like "Is a lie, I know, I know." in sort of an exhausted voice exactly like she's heard it a billion times before and is so sick of it.
@@Phoenix0F8 Disney princesses....I mean Disney characters do not believe in living the life of a warrior monk, neither the Jedi variety nor the Sith. They need to find their happiness in the modern sense of the word, meaning a hot ratty boyfriend, lots of money, and complete freedom from consequences :)
So Disney will corrupt not only the Jedi to fit this distorted view on life, but the Sith too (more so the Sith, since the audience is more like to buy that rather than the Jedi)...Since their Disney princesses cannot be bad people, the only remaining solution is to make the Jedi the bad guys. Tadaaaaa...
None of this shit is real Star Wars.
My favorite part of the episode was when most of the Jedi go to establish a 5 km perimeter, then all proceed to stand right next to each other.
And since when do people in Star Wars say "kliks" for kilometers??? NOT STAR WARS.
@@station7thedoor At least since 1994.
@@station7thedoor thats happened multiple times already
Example? Quote?
@@station7thedoor "Ten klicks at current rate. Drops a hundred meters every thirty kilometers."
It's all silly!
Jedi bad - Sith good.
Yoda: If he knows about the incident he's scum - if he's getting played he's dumb-dumb :-(
And why is rat-face-tracker sabotaging the ship?
The gopher is a plot device. Come on man you already know this
Because it was time for the plot to happen
Rat-face-tracker is Darth tenebrous
But that's sh*t writing.
At no point does Vernestra believe that the Sith has returned. She just thinks that it is one lone former Jedi who has fallen to the dark side. Once he and Osha are dealt with, the whole issue may be considered resolved.
A rather disturbing message that appeared in this episode between Mae and Osha is that, while Osha blames Mae for her failure to be a Jedi, Mae claims it was Sol's fault she didn't become a Jedi. Notice that neither stance has Osha taking responsibility for her own failure, it is always someone else's fault. In a better written show, the idea of Osha and Mae constantly shifting blame and responsibility actually could've been interesting, but that's not what happened. Also, why is Mae fine with Osha going with Qimir, especially since last she saw him, HE WAS TRYING TO KILL HER!!! In fact, why ISN'T Qimir trying to kill Mae at this point? He already has an apprentice that killed a Jedi "without a weapon", seemingly found his Acolyte, so what need does he have of Mae, who is already a failure in his eyes? He can't be worried about Osha turning on him if Mae dies, all he needs to do is show her his "Saber" again and she's fine with it.
It would be fascinating for someone to sit down and watch this show from start to finish in one sitting, and TRY to say what the through line is. Character motivations are shallow and flip constantly, nothing is properly explained (and the show spends way too much time on trivial details), and the short length of the episodes also means that no character gets the development they sorely need. This show is just embarrassing from a writing perspective, and I echo the sentiments of everyone here: this feels like a series of first drafts, which I am convinced were not read between writers. It is amazing that Disney continues to bring their F game while dumping $180 million dollars into this show. Well, congratulations, Bob: this is what you wanted when you left KK in charge. But of course he is in favor of all of this, although I can't say the same for the shareholders...
Nelson Peltz is punching the air and kicking sand rn because of this show lol
A strong woman fails at something and blames a man for it - why am I not surprised these days...
@@rmw9420 Does Nelson Peltz _hate_ sand?
@@alexhayden219 he thinks it's course and rough, just like the disney board of directors.
Qimir should've killed Mae and mind manipulate Osha into believing the Jedi did it. Only reason he doesn't do this is because Headland wants both sisters and Smilo was meant for season 2.
All I can hear in my head when Thor asks a question is Ryan George saying: "so the movie can happen." Such bad writing.
“ BARELY an Inconvenience ! “ 😅
So I need you to get aaaaalllll the way off my back
I can't wait until he covers this atrocity of a show.
I knew this last episode would be abysmal based on her zoom interview on Star Wars Explained. She literslly said, "Star Wars is about the betrayal of the father"
"Will any of the audience understand what's going on?"
"Not even a little bit sir. But that's ok, we can just say they missed the point and make them feel stupid!"
"Oh. And will that make people like the show more?"
"Well it definitely won't make them like it any *less* "
Thor Skywalker: "None of it makes any sense. This whole show - the writing - is devoid of logic. Things just happen. Characters do things or don't do things because the plot requires it." Lloyd Christmas: "So you're telling me there's a plot!"
Lol yeah Plot is a word to use.
"You know, one day one of you Jedi will not like sand."
* *looks directly at camera* *
"And he will blow up the death star"
and then kylo rens theme will play
@@rmw9420And the audience will all bravely shout Yaaaaaas, Yaaaaaaas!
actually LOLd
@@rmw9420Its not even a theme. More like a short leitmotif, if that. I mean the melody is only like 5 notes long.
HE VADERED !!!
Logically that’s not Plagueis, because Plagueis is a Star Wars character, and this isn’t Star Wars.
Haha, that got a chuckle out of me. I'm in full agreement.
Not to mention he’s either 15 or negative 12 when this -fan fiction- (actual SW fan films are better than this) happens
love it and you are so true
Haha aren’t you a little short for a muun Sith Lord.
😆😆😆
I refuse to believe that they went through more than one draft. Like from a writer's perspective this show had very questionable moments throughout the season that ruin the narrative structure.
And I for the life of me can't understand why Disney is so LAZY with the starwars franchise.
We occasionally get content that is well-thought and planned but most of the Disney era seemingly has the consistent issue of lazy writing. It really comes off that they were betting on the franchise's name to carry all the weight and they could just sit back without a care in the world. It is very odd how Disney can't seem to be bothered to give attention and care to the most valuable IP in the world.
yup I keep saying this is like 1st draft material. Like did no one look at this and say “We have to fix this.”
"Once was" right now I don't know that SW cracks the top 10 franchises.
This is actually a great moment and isn't just fanboy rage. Thank you
I knew this last episode would be abysmal based on her zoom interview on Star Wars Explained. She literslly said, "Star Wars is about the betrayal of the father"
Why would you question the writing of a strong independent woman, are you some kind of bigot? Reeeeeee
Palpatine when he sees Darth Plagueis appear in this episode: "Unironic. He can't save others from bastardization, and neither himself."
Anakin: Is it possible to undo this catastrophe?
@@KRobinson-ko1nePalpatine: "Not under Disney."
Jedi=Bad Cops, Criminals=Misunderstood good people. Acolyte season 2 will have the first Jedi with a mustache
Zez-Kai-Ell from KOTOR 2 had a moustache.
Cal has a moustache and a mulat
“Bad cops, bad cops,
Bad cops, bad cops.
Bad cops, bad cops,
Bad cops, bad cops.
Springfield cops are on the take,
But what do you expect for the money we make?
Whether in a car or on a horse,
We don't mind using excessive force!
Bad cops, bad cops,
Bad cops, bad cops…”
Ryan George’s pitch meeting is going to be TIGHT!
Actually it’s going to be super easy, barely an inconvenience
@@KRobinson-ko1neOh really!!??
@@slimpaco AMAZING!
Yeah yeah yeah !
A lot of "Get of my back!!" parts!
I love the Ewok movies, but never in my life did I expect legitimate SW to be released that made their writing look like Macbeth.
I'm with you on that.
Hey, Caravan of Courage has some good atmosphere.
So...Mundi was cameoed just to troll people after all.
Yup. 0 purpose other than to spit in the face of canon and fandom.
Darth Plagiarism the Peeper.
Plagiarism based on what? Just another dumb complaint.
@@achaudhari101 Sweet Jesus.
@@achaudhari101 Bad sense of humour, the shilling has addled your head.
@@achaudhari101your right, when you de canonize things just so you can bastardize it later is worse theee plagiarism
Probably auto correct@@achaudhari101
Disney should sue Headland for stealing 180 million dollars cause it didn't show up here
They can't. She's got files on key members. I mean, that's gotta be it, right?
@@alexhayden219That's my running theory.
The sad thing is that there were the bones of a good show or movie in here somewhere, but Kennedy would rather play favorites than find competent people to write and direct new Star Wars.
Yeah, conceptually all the ideas COULD have been done right. But they needed proper pacing and writing. And more time if tackling all of them because 1/4 of this show is literally a bloody flashback.
@@silverscion2144 Makes me think that she was on sabbatical......or on a bender when Andor was in production.
Maybe someone with enough checkboxes cannot be critiqued or mentored… (I don’t know exactly what it’s like at LF, just going off vibes)
I've said the same, it could have been so much better, they just weren't skilled /experienced enough to pull it off. On top of that, I swear they like winding up the hard-core fans to get people talking about it. After all the bad reviews it was getting, my expectations were low, which usually means I should have enjoyed it, if it were half decent. I have up watching it by ep 4. I didn't even bother with ep 5, even after hearing about the light saber fights. Its like watching a pro wrestling match that is just a spot fest imo...
It seems to me that Headland and the Acolyte writers wanted specific moments to happen but had neither the intelligence or talent to tie them to a logical progression of characters, motivations and events. Like Vernestra's lie... they wanted to show the Jedi as corrupt, so they came up with the cover-up moment. But nothing else led to that moment, and thus it makes no sense. Was it supposed to prevent the external audit? In the same scene we see it prevented nothing and only made it likely the lie would be discovered. Why did they cover it up at all when the Jedi on Brendok acted generally reasonably (except when they wanted another "moment")? No clue. Vernestra's lie was meaningless, pointless and built off nothing... but they really wanted the Jedi to be evil, so here we are!
I never thought anything could be as badly written as The Last Jedi...
Yep. Plus, the entire plot CANNOT happen IF Master Sol decided to do the OBVIOUS thing and LEVITATE both Osha and Mae,, instead of trying to hold the whole damn bridge. There's SOOO many stupid decisions made by the characters in this show.
@@Loki_Yogi Exactly! They wanted a moment where Sol chooses to save one twin over the other. Doesn't matter that it made no sense how they got there nor why he didn't just save both, something easily within his abilities. Character decisions and motivations don't matter so long as the moment happens!
I'd say it's bad fan fiction, but that's unfair to fanfics...
She did say she was a fan of Ruin Johnson and made references. I knew this last episode would be abysmal based on her zoom interview on Star Wars Explained. She literslly said, "Star Wars is about the betrayal of the father"
The ONLY time in this entire series where Sol doesnt delay talking about the past is when hes tricked into saying he killed the Mom with Osha behind him. Thats the kind of writing we can expect from a $180 million dollar series. Yippie.
I knew this last episode would be abysmal based on her zoom interview on Star Wars Explained. She literslly said, "Star Wars is about the betrayal of the father"
@@MaxRamos8 no way. What do I need to search for to find that
@@butcherpete2286 star wars explained YT channel, I don't remeber when so you need to sit through it my apologies. She says SW is about the betrayal of the father, "something we can all relate to" she Def have daddy issues
@@MaxRamos8 she's a Hollywood exec who worked for a prolific sex offender. She DEF has daddy issues.
This episode was so bad I could not watch it. Sol gets treated like he committed a war crime while the villains, get away for free and the Jedi only act more evil to blame Sol for nothing. Its just awful, I want an actual good guy in my shows sometimes.
He murdered a woman and covered it up. That sounds like a bad person to me.
@@rl-cx6kf She turned into a smoke demon and looked like she was going to kill a child. I mean cmon hes gonna get all this blame for that?
@@lukefantini9770exactly. It's like waving a gun in front of a cop and being shocked when the cop shoots her. Wtf did she think was gonna happen?!?!
@@lukefantini9770 Sol had previously seen Anisaye come within inches of cracking their heads on the stones stairs when she knocked them down during her lesson about the Thread. A scene which reviewers criticized as bad optics that gave child abuse vibes, but it turned out to be a set up to make Sol believe that Anisaye was a danger to the children so he would be more inclined to react when it looked like Anisaye was hurting Mae by making Mae dissolve. Furthermore, Sol wanted to immediately come clean to the Jedi Council. He wanted to so much that he got into a fist fight with Indara when she didn't want him to, and only went along after Indara convinced him that telling the truth would be selfish of him because it would assuage his conscience but destroy Osha's dream of becoming a Jedi.
@@rl-cx6kf only a bad faith goblin would call that murder considering that she was, according to the showrunner herself, trying to murder/suicide her own daughter. get out of here with your disingenuous nonsense.
“He can sense intention. Yoda’s good at that sort of thing.”
Leslye Headland: “…no…”
I didn’t think Star Wars could get worse than Rise of Skywalker and Obi-Wan, but once again here we are
"A burglar broke into my house, so I burned it down!" Leslie Hedland, apparently
I don't get how Green Chick is going to blame Sol when Master Trinity was murdered when Sol was teaching school, there was also a witness and Yord's padawan who knows the murder and werent murdered by Darth Smiley. Also there was a room of Jedi who was debriefed on the murder of Master Trinity and the suspect Mae.
I doubt they thought that far ahead
Stop it. You're making too much sense.
Master Trinity fell on a knife by accident. It happens to the best of them.
The twins aren’t even the vergence. Sol could’ve just *done his damn job* and found the actual vergence at the humongous, Force powerful hole in the planet, as proof.
Virgince* 🤓
@@Korra228 *Force Virginsssss
"If I had the time and a sledgehammer, I would track down every copy of that show and smash it."
- George Lucas
Alot more mellow today.
They used this quote for the back of the DVD cover. 🤣
Although it was originally about the holiday special that quote is perfect here😂
lmao. I hope there is no season 2. It would be a great waste of money.
Holiday Special. I can't unsee it. No matter how hard I try. 😶😶
in the end the real mystery is : where the money went ?
69M to Lesbey Headberg's wife for her incredible acting services.
10m to Headberg for her amazing directoring.
10m to Headberg for her amazing writing.
5m to Headberg for her superb executive producing.
Maybe some money back to her ex.boss Harvey Weinstein, who probably promoted her to be the director of this hugely financed show.
The small stupidity that made me laugh the most - the reactor blew up 16 years ago, but somehow there is still power to run the elevator and the lights in that exit tunnel.....
5:46 they could've proved it cuz they blood tested both of them, which is how they knew osha/mae were the same person in the first place. what did torbin do, forget to tap the "save" button?! 😂
Yeah, I bring that up later on.
I'm honestly just infuriated that this is what we're getting for Star Wars. I hate that watching this sticks with me more than things I actually enjoy. It's like eating spoiled food and getting food poisoning so it causes a lingering unpleasantness and discomfort. It legitimately just BOTHERS me and makes me sad. It's so hard not to just feel completely defeated as a Star Wars fan.
I'm definitely in that mental place of "yeah some of these Disney projects simply aren't cannon in my mind" this show, the sequels movies, there is a certain threshold of bull you can swallow and so many characters being torn down and warped before you just say enough and delete them from your head cannon. And this show has just pushed past that threshold for me
hey! This is actually what I am doing too. For me star wars includes Dash Rendar and Kyle Katarn. Luke has his Jedi Academy on Yavin IV and so on xD I grew up with these 90s early 00s games and that together with the old films is star wars for me :)
The tragedy of Darth Plagueis was him appearing in this show.
He could save others from the Acolyte, but not himself
😂
In my head canon, Qimir and Osha walk back to the cave hand in hand, and are immediately killed by Darth Plagueis for being false sith. And we all live happily ever after.
This may just be a teaser. If season 2 gets green lit, he may end up being a main character, and Qmir's master. The Darth Plagueis novel by James Luceno may be completely overwritten. Now that will be a real shame.
What a nice dark side ending making the Jedi look so stupid and evil.
I mean, Anakin, turns evil and destroys billions of lives. Guess who wrote that? Yoda, couldn't even tell Palpatine was under his nose - guess who wrote that? Obi-Wan - "certain point of view' (Guess who wrote that?) Do you want more examples of how often the Jedi totally were incompetent during the first six movies?
@@rl-cx6kf This is very, very different. There was actual depth, nuance, and intelligence behind George's writing and worldbuilding. The show tried to achieve the same thing, but it missed the mark,
@@rl-cx6kf This show is doing what the sequels were, failing at imitating them. If LF tried to be more original, maybe their all of their shows and films would actually be good.
@rl-cx6kf Those make the Jedi look evil?
The incompetence part can be explained away through various in-universe reasons, but that's not addressing your point. The difference between the writers under Lucas and the writers under Headland is that with Lucas' writers made you want to know _why_ that those issues aren't a problem, not _how_ those issues aren't a problem. There's a difference between incompetence in a believable way and incompetence to the point that you can't even understand a story.
Except Anakin is the main villain, intended to be
The implications of having that yoda cameo at the end my god. They've ruined him also because it now means he was either part of the cover up by Vernestra or he completely believed Vernestra's lies and never picked up on the bs nevermind how he has already not sensed a disturbance with all those Jedis being dead. A disservice to George Lucas's creation.
These aren't the only options though. Believe me, I'm not saying this is a good show. But think about. Vernestra might confide in Yoda and say she thinks it was Sol but she sensed her fallen Padawan. Yoda and her in the future might hunt him down and assume the threat is gone. With Qimir not bring a true sith, why would this contradict the established plot?
Your last sentence there is funny considering how much Yoda was assassinated as a character in the prequels
@@martinmp19 "With Qimir not being a true sith"? The important thing is not if he's a true sith or not but how powerful he is. The level of power alone he displayed after being merely a padawan suggests he uses the dark side which is a quicker path to power. That's true for Mae as well. A light sider at Mae's age just doesn't defeat jedi masters. The powers those two displays would be a major concern. Qimir displayed much more power, defeating several jedi, than Maul did when Qui-Gon concluded he was a sith. If they believed Qimir wasn't a sith they would at least reference him saying something like, perhaps it's a dark side user like the one a few years back? Relying on the definition of "sith" makes it still contrived even if perhaps not a logical contradiction.
@@martinmp19he is a sith you banana. Part of banes line too. Master plagueis was standing right in the fcking doorway. They also start reciting the sith code which I'm sure you don't know since you think this show has been fine.
@@bring-out So if they hunt down and kill Qimir and find no other evidence of the Sith, how does this contradict goofy ass Mundi in tpm? Do people really believe there has been no dark side user in a THOUSAND years? From the viewpoint of the jedi he may simply be a fallen Jedi.
It's funny that the reason Sol heads to Brendok in this episode doesn't really make any sense, how in the world is going back to Brendok with Mae going to 'prove' the Vergence? Then we have Osha's 'Force vision' which had the only purpose to get her and Qimir there for the finale. Sad how they have to use such weak reasons to get everyone there, just to end it where it all began. Conveniently, Qimir has a two-seater spaceship, again so that there is a reason for Mae to not go off with Qimir and Osha at the end. And isn't it ironic; Osha keeps Sol from killing Qimir in an earlier episode "Jedi don't kill unarmed opponents", yet she ends up killing Sol just like that. Basil's actions are all so odd. Maybe Basil is actually the Sith Lord all along, Darth Basil, that would be a twist. I suspect the 'investigate the Jedi' by the senator was a not so subtle nod by Headland and the other writers to the 'Defund the Police' movement that was so popular in and around 2022 when The Acolyte was filmed. It makes just as much sense as the real world issue too. And what the hell is the Jedi "Control Room" where Vernestra meets with the senator. Control room for what? The temple? Vernestra may have been trying to contact Darth Plagueis; she may be his apprentice. They'll really screw Darth Plagueis, I'm sure they'll screw him up if there is a season 2. Or maybe Yoda is in some sort of isolated retreat for some reason and they'll tell us that in season 2 to explain why Yoda was AOL from this first season (except for the last few seconds).
I find it so stupid that a Jedi Master would stand there and let Osha Force Choke him. Why not just use the Force to push her backwards (we know Osha can't block these; Mae said so) but no, he just lets her kill him. So stupid. Headland did it; she made the Jedi look stupid, foolish and clueless and the freedom-loving Sith are innocent Force users just trying to get through life. This show is absolute garbage, worse than anything ever made before, even Kenobi (and that is saying a lot!). I hope and pray that the numbers are terrible for this episode and that Disney got so much grief and lost so much money on it that they wouldn't dream of making anything connected with it ever again. But I'm pretty sure we haven't seen the last of this, even if Kennedy green-lights a Bad Batch style series to show what happened to Osha and Qimir. I think they will try to use all of this to build up an explanation to how Plagueis and/or Palpatine created Anakin. If they connect them, then in their mind this horrid mess will have true meaning for the Skywalker saga. Who knows were they'll go, but they've crapped all over the Jedi, even at the very end trying to pull Yoda into the Venestra mess. They took a High Republic character -- Venestra-- and screwed her into a lying, manipulating bitch. And all of Headland's favorite people -- Amandla Stenberg and Headland's lover, Rebecca Henderson would get roles in a second season of The Acolyte. How convenient and telling of Headland's motivation; her two favorite lesbians set up to star in a second season of a show where they will completely dominate and manipulate all the stupid corrupt men around them. I'm sure Kennedy is pleased as well. Utter garbage and completely pointless; a terrible amateurish production rivaled only by Kenobi in how ignorant the whole thing was. Yet so many love to see 'the good guys' be tainted and corrupted (just look at how, in the superhero genre, series like 'The Boys' or 'Invincible' were so popular for the same reason) that many critics and fans will wax poetic over how 'finally' the Jedi were taken down a notch and shown to be corrupt and downright evil. Because who doesn't want to see good perverted? And SW has NEVER shown tainted Jedi before, or shown Jedi in anything but the best of light. We've NEVER seen Jedi fall to the darkside, be fooled or manipulated by the Sith or leave the order, or become Sith, and it is now time that changed. Headland has taken down that paragon of arrogant purity at last! Excuse me while I vomit...
I'm definitely in the "Thrown in the trash and forgotten about" camp.
From the 1st episode, I FELT like I was being trolled by Leslye & Co.
Now that the show is complete, I KNOW that we long time fans are definitely being trolled and disrespected.
Andor season 2 CANNOT come fast enough.
My pallet needs cleansing.
It is palate, pallet is the wooden platofrm you stack bricks/stuff on.
But yes, the whole writing feels like a first draft that nobody dared to annotate, because that would be misogynistic or something
Not even Andor would cut it.
so the thing about the killing without a weapon thing is something we got from Palpatine (i dont know if it was around before him) where he basically felt that a true sith didnt need a weapon that they were so strong in the force that they can block a lightsaber with the force alone and we actually see this in the Kenobi show when Vader is toying with that inquisitor with him showing her that he is better than her in every way, sidius only used a saber to mock the jedi or if he felt that the opponent was as strong as him (like Sir Christopher Lee says in attack of the clones ""i see this won't be settled with our knowledge of the force"").
You're right about everything that you said. The problem is that Headland said many times that "you don't need to know Star Wars to enjoy this show."
What she didn't say (or admit) is that IF you DO KNOW Star Wars, you WILL NOT enjoy this show.
@@Loki_Yogi Even those that don't know Star Wars don't like this show. XD
The main thing to take away from this episode is that Alex from AGS is a genious because he preddicted the Darth Bazel arc, and that's the only thing that would explain Bazel suddenly siding with May.
I think Sol may have been about to try and kill her and Bazel senses that saved him from doing it, only explanation to me
@michaelstrachan1185 They only thing is, why would he need to get super close to her to kill her. Doesn't make any sense. Not like she can jump to hyperspace. Didn't even need to try and shoot her down. The choices make no sense at all
The only thing I can think is that Basil was listening in on Sol when he told Mae what happened, and he thought Sol was going to kill her to tie up a loose end. Or something. It was weird.
The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Peeping Tom
P-Daddy be creep'n
lol, just creepin. Like a Sith Lord has nothing better to do with their time 😂
25:23 "Obi-Wan is gonna kill me for this one"
That sounds like something Anakin would say...like you seen star wars before or something.
The writers of this show cannot relate
He is paraphrasing a line from Attack of the Clones. Anakin said that after finding his lightsaber was destroyed during the Geonosian Droid Factory scene.
@emberfist8347 "like you seen star wars before or something" I'm being sarcastic I know it's from clone wars
I love how they hid the episode name for hours and it just turned out to be the title of the show
So, Venestra's Padawan became a Sith and she decided to blame Sol for everything to keep HER failings a secret.
I bet next season she tries to kill her apprentice but dies trying without telling anyone of the Sith's existence (I doubt the post credit scene is her telling Yoda about it). Venestra's mistake is going to backfire so badly.
It's very interesting how the show took a beloved book character and turned her into a very despicable selfish individual. How are High Republic book fans feeling?
I don't like anything about Venestra’s character at all. She's boring, bland, poorly acted, and the makeup looks horrible (almost as bad as Hera)
It really sucks because Vernestra is a very good and likeable character in the High Republic Books, she’s like the Obi Wan of the high republic.
@@chileanyways196Comparing her to Obi Wan is a mistake.
Bold of you to assume there's a second season😂 with tanking ratings and 86 percent dislike rate.
How do the High Republic fans would feel about Vernestra's portrayal in the Acolyte (as I call it The Acollapse) when she was technically character assassinated?
there is a second season of Andor n that did worse, even tho it's much better show.@@kieragard
Hey Thor, totally agree about lightsabers. Not only do rotoscoped blades look a hundred times better than glowsticks, but the hilts on these are all way too thick. Half the cast look like they can barely get their hands around them and it looks ridiculous (Jeki, for example). The "elegant" weapon looks chunky and clumsy. If there is one prop that should look right in Star Wars, it should be the lightsaber.
Everyone seems to bring up the gopher sabotaging the ship. For me it came across like this:
Mae says that Sol can't follow her into the asteroid belt because that would destroy the bigger ship. Sol is like: I still have plot armour, I can do stupid things and fly into the debris instead of following Mae from above it.
But Basil didn't get the memo and was shitting his pants that Sol gonna kill both of them by destroying the ship, so he stopped him.
Basically the writers wanted a chase scene but they still needed Mae to have a small headstart on Sol. They should've just had him knocked out for 5 minutes longer due to the plot convenience taser droid.
As a Trekkie… I want to say I feel your pain. But I was on this journey with you and it was both confusing and predictable simultaneously. “That’s illogical, Captain.”
The writing was so disjointed that it felt like a race from point to point on a first draft outline someone made.
Headlamp couldn't even answer questions about her own writing in a recent review. That's why everything is disjointed and all over the place. She had no idea what she was writing.
They had at least two major (if not entire) rewrites and reshoots, and cobbled this together out of all that hot mess.
At least you got Picard S3... I guess at least we got Andor too.
@@NunyaBiznezz-yv9xi Picard Season 3 is more like Mando S1. We haven’t had an Andor in a long while lol.
I didnt know Trekkies still existed...
Plagueis would have been roughly 30 thus he was still apprenticed to tenebrous.
I wish they'd just left plagueis out so he remains free of the cancer that is Disney star wars. We're running out of villains here.
No. He'd be 15 during this show.
You guys need to stop confusing legends lore with the new lore…
@@vetarlittorf1807According to Luceno novel, in approx 66BBY he told youth Palpatine he was “well over 100”. So he would be approx 34 + however many years “well over” is.
@@INCAnitysy Probably better to stick with actual lore than "lore" written by hacks that can't put together a competent script.
"A couple of dark siders in love" Amazing Thor 😂
Im honestly not surprised as to how The Acolyte turned out. Disney turned the Death Watch, the Mandalorian equivalent of the space KKK, into heroes in in the Disney Canon, would also tear down the Jedi, a group of people that are supposed to be the noble heroes of the Star Wars universe.
Except they aren't similar to the KKK at all. They don't give a crap about race. They are more similar to Islamic terrorist groups. And Death Watch collapsed after Maul took over in a civil war.
Honestly, if Headland wanted to have a whole "Senate is worried about the Jedi power abuse", Star Wars Fate of the Jedi series does it way better. Natassi Dalla has way more justification for being suspicious of the Jedi than whatever the senators name was. Dalla was a former Imperial, and lived through the Rebellion era, Jacen Solos fall to the dark side, etc.
Well she is also an idiot who only got her position by sleeping with Tarkin and spent most of the Rebellion era cut off from the rest of the galaxy. Headland can relate to the first part I bet.
I hope Disney just leaves Star Wars alone, they ended up ruining this franchise to the ground and split the fanbase so much, that theres no coming back from this.
nah the actual fan base is not split we all hate this shit show.
@@MrMadman111 Yet there's people that still defend this show.
@@slaynw.9829 well everyone is entitled to their opinion of course. But maybe were just not watching for the same reasons which is the love of a good story from a galaxy far far away. Not todays issues and this worlds problems shoe horned into this fantasy get away. I remember when covid was going on me and my wife got so sick of the shows we watch putting covid into the shows, its like we watch this to get away from the real world lol.
Should have just merged all the episodes to make this the first half of the season, then maybe they could have saved it, but I doubt it. Short episodes, sloppy writing, and horrendously bad plot holes. The best part of this show was the visuals, and even then I feel like that wasn't anything special....
"I'm sorry for disturbing you Master..We need to talk.Are you ok?You have been in the restroom this entire time,and many in the Temple and the Senate are concerned..Master?Why aren't you moving? Not even your ears??"
Agree. Atrociously bad writing.
So, what’s your premise for the show?
Leslye Headland: “All Jedi Are Bastards”
KK: Amazing ! Here's 180 million dollar
Thanks Thor for watching this so we didn't have to. What a waste of money from Disney.
If people are looking for a proper show at the moment definitely check out Shogun. Great writing and respect to the source material at the same time.
Pretty cool how the first live action High Republic story was the stillborn trash that was the Acolyte
The whole schtick with prodding Mae to kill without a weapon is a heavy handed attempt to give FORCE CHOKING an origin story. How narcissistic can one showrunner be?!
As if that would be something Sith Lords would not have done for eons and eons, while they have literal telekinesis. Force choke is literally telekinesis applied to the throat and nothing else lmao
Who is saying it’s supposed to be the first time it’s used in Galactic History ??! 😅
Also wouldnt the Sith consider the Force to be a weapon
@@AlekTrev006 No one said that. We'll have to wait for another awkward interview to find out if it meant anything at all. I'm hoping to find out something interesting like if Yoda is just a Grinch with Dwarfism 🗿
@anovaguy So we've seen Force choke on non-Force sensitive people work......buy how goes Seoul allow himself to be killed this way? Can't he or any other Force user simply do a Force back and repel this kind of attack. The ability to use the Force on other Force users has been one of the most inconsistent aspects of this and other Disney shows.
Really does exemplify poor writing.
Maybe we can get a Force 101 class that 3xplaons this phenomenon......like if you're the first person to initiate a Force choke or levitation......you cancel out the other users powers?
Hey Thor! I hope you’re doing well.
I have this particular issue that I’ve not seen anyone really mention, that being Disney’s avoidance of outright saying “Midichlorian(s)”. In a majority of their content, characters will say “M-count”. Yet, they’ll introduce things like a “Symbiance”. I understand why the Empire would say something like “M-count”, but the Jedi? It just doesn’t add up, at least for me. Why do you think they’re avoiding saying “Midichlorain” like it’s the “M word”?
Horrible, dumb, poorly acted, shoddily written, canon-breaking, lore busting, Jedi-trouncing trash can of a series. Bless its heart.
My thoughts:
1. There were some good elements there but the essential build up for Osha going dark side just felt flat to me. The intensity of emotion that should have been displayed just wasn't there.
That moment almost seemed completely insignificant. I'm guessing they thought seeing the crystal bleed and the representation of her turning through the ignited saber was enough... to me, it wasn't. Maybe the music could have been tweaked there some for a better build up but... the entirety of the lie unraveling her... she at least should have been rage screaming STOP TALKING!!!! The crystal bleed scene in Jedi Survivor was much better than this IMO. We barely knew the character of Dagan Gera but holy hell was that moment intense. We really knew what it meant when he turned to the dark side there.
2. Basil suddenly disrupting things on the ship... what the hell was that for?
3. I don't get separating the sisters either. Like, a major push through the show has been the power of two. We finally get to what that could be and... split em' up again. I get the reasoning as a hook for season two but that is such an overplayed trope with romantic relationships in shows. I expected them to join together in combined r v and kill both of their supposed masters. Sol anu Qimir both paying the price for taking advantage of them.
4. I knew Sol was not coming out of this but really hoped somehow it could happen. I'm glad they didn't shy away from it but it hurt to see him take the fall for everything by freaking Vernestra.
5. Yay for freaking Plagius and I guess for Yoda but still don't think his appearance was necessary, much like the mandoverse cameos.
I wash half expecting Osha and Mae to meld back into a single entity at the end.
I have a good feeling P-Daddy Creeps was a late addition to the show. Maybe not, but I actually liked his cameo.
Plageus should be, what, a teenager? I'm sure they split the twins back up because it's only one actor, costs money to double them in the same scene.
Thor, you are a champ!
This show weakened me. It hurt my brain and my soul.
I couldn't imagine watching it twice.
The theme of this show was a thinly veiled defund the police message where the witches coven were the oppressed and the Jedi were law enforcement.
You don't remember Luke telling the Emperor, "Come out with your hands up! You are under arrest!"?
@@anovaguy I remember that! Mark Hamill's delivery was great in that scene.
We can tell if someone was chocked to death now, are we not doing space autopsies now?
I’m glad you touched upon the Bazil thing. It’s so odd when he was hired to track down Mae (a confirmed murderer) in the first place. Also, I understand lightsaber bleeding is a thing now but it looked much better in Jedi Survivor. The Acolyte just made lightsabers look like a mood stick
The way they bled the lightsaber was so lame and stupid. From what I have read and seen it seems like it takes actual time and Intent. To bleed a crystal. I agree total mood ring vibes.
Vader even gives a step-by-step guide for bleeding lightsabers and the Acolyte still ruined it
This was insanely bad writing. The writers should seriously be embarrassed. Reminds me of that forspoken video game
I just choked my father figure, with my freaking mind!
Pearls cast before swine.
That's Star Wars now.
File it under Disney or Defilement.
Sounds pretty gay on your end.
@@achaudhari101
And yet... The Acolyte is still 100% Ass.
80% ass.
@@achaudhari101Why are you spending so much effort carrying water for a series you yourself admit is 80% Ass, bruh? 😂
I only watched the show for Dafne Keen. I hope she gets better projects in the future. She's a very subtle and emotive actress.
She is really good.
Some of the only praise I heard for the big saber fight was her skill, apparently it was evident that she put in plenty of effort to learning the moves.
I'm guessing I'm game for Season 2 if they keep the sith and jedi separate but please fix this writing room. I agree this was such a contrived story to create conflict between the Jedi and developing Sith Menace and create some plausible deniability against breaking canon. This effort by the shows to finish deconstructing the jedi is depressing
This episode was just bad, I really felt insulted watching it. At first I found the show to be mid, but as it progressed it just got bad. It's slightly worse than the Book of Boba Fett.
You were not as receptive towards the show when we always talked.
@@achaudhari101I have never seen you comment anything else but defense after defense about Disney Star Wars. Are you at least finally ready to admit this show was bad?
@@achaudhari101 There were some aspects I liked but overall the show just isn't good. If you go look at my past comments I said from the start was mid. I didn't outright crap on it. I'm not like you who just seems to blindly accept everything Disney throws out.
But I get it, you believe that pathetic narrative that if anyone who hates Disney Star Wars or even has legitimate criticisms is nothing more than a toxic bigoted and racist fan.
No joke, every still image of Mae/Osha (Amandla Stenberg), the actress has the exact same facial expression. No matter the scene.
She may actually be one of the worst actresses I’ve seen recently….
24:12 That clenched fist is NOT how Darth Vader force choked people. 🤦
A 40 minute video from Thor? Yes, please!
The amount of times that I paused or rewind back because I zoned out is amazing, this episode is full of events and all of them are strange and confusing.
Thank you, Thor, for enduring all of the episodes and summarizing them for us.
You are the greatest, may the force be with you
They make such a fuss about the girls being the same person, but in the end it's irrelevant to the story
Two crazy things- 1. Sol tells Osha, "It's ok" as she is choking him. If he is telling her that it is ok to kill him out of anger, that would be the antithesis of what a jedi believes and teaches. 2. In an earlier episode, Venestra wants the murder of Indara kept quiet because if a former padawan killed a jedi, it would look bad but, instead of giving up Mae as the killer, she makes it worse by blaming a jedi master? Even if she wants Mae around to track her pupil, they will most likely keep Mae locked up and will have access to her. I think an AI wrote this show.
So much stuff happened, but not really fleshed out or even shown at all like what the heck was going on inside the helmet!?!?
I am wondering since when could Cortosis cut off telekensis? Oh right it never could. So the writers are turning Star Wars into X-Men.
The only thing Osha didn't know was that Sol killed Anaseya - the same Anaseya that repetitively denied Osha's wishes; the same Anaseya that praised Mae over Osha; the same Anaseya that literally tried to coerce Osha into compliance. What...possible reason would Osha have to be so angry that she would kill Sol over the unintentional death of an abusive parent? What's the message here - killing someone who accidentally caused the demise of another...is justifiable? Is THAT the message Disney Star Wars is trying to teach children? This show wasn't made for children - it was made for sociopaths.
Yeah, and not even Nightsisters of the TCW was this much of a dope.
The other mother wasn't any better. Bullying one daughter to force another to stay. Abandoned said daughter when the coven fell. Disappeared right into season 2 bait.
OSHA kills one Jedi with hate and her blue lightsaber bleeds red.
Anakin Skywalker murders scores of Jedi and younglings at the Jedi temple and attempts to kill his Master and father figure Obi Wan Kenobi and his lightsaber..... Stays sky blue.... Huh🧐
its fan fiction. what did you expect
The Crystal was exposed and being touched by Osha
Yeah I never liked the Lightsaber mood ring thing but before it was established that was only when you first find a crystal. That is why for example, Anakin's lightsaber during the final part of Attack of the Clones is green and not blue.
@@emberfist8347 The green lightsaber wasn’t his
Doesn’t make sense that they went backwards to Brendok after the asteroid belt
Hey Thor, i for one beleive that this coverup would work ...
I mean look at it from this point:
The only peron who actually knew about May is Vernestra ... and the whole Squad that went with Sol, but they are all dead ...
So lets just pretend that May and Osha are same person for anyone observing things.
Innara were killed *in anger* by Osha ...
former Sol's Padawan, who left the order for not being capable of mastering her Dark Side ...
Torbin commited suicide, after confrontation with Osha ...
Same argument as abowe ... she is still for all intences and purposes heavily tied to Sol ...
One could probably claim that those Monks heared Yord say that Osha didnt kill Torbin, bcs he and i quote "had his eyes on her this whole time" ... but i can imagine that being either forgotten, or handwaved as weak argument.
Yord was not a bad, nor corupted Jedi, but young, unexperienced and eager to proove himself ... the very presence (if he didnt even actively do that) of Master Sol could have affect his perception.
Then you have Kelnacca, the easiest victim to blame on Sol ...
Nobody survived, he was killed by Lightsaber, and random Padawan, or Secretary, or Assistant, or whatever that blonde dude is supposed to be ... allready acused Sol with little to no evidence.
And finaly, Sol's suicide ...
Since Vernestra burned his body, nobody could know a thing.
So there is one last loose end ... Osha/May ...
But the girl have wiped memory for anything beyond when she was 8y old ... minus some extra.
Im not saying its the best plan ever or anything like that ...
But i can potentialy imagine her pulling this off.
Or have i missed anything important?
They literally have a meeting, that Ki Adi Mundi and others are at, that discusses Mae...
I remember how terrifying the Emperor was, when I first saw "Return of the Jedi". His complete confidence that Luke _striking_ _him_ _down_ would mean his victory; his seeming disregard for his own life, if it meant corrupting the last known user of the Light side of the force. Even apart from what "Acolyte" tries- and largely, to my eyes, fails- to say about the Jedi, it makes the Sith/Dark side look... fickle, petty, weak, and surprisingly hidebound.
Its funny how just because they predict the fall of the jedi, the writing is somehow clever. And they believed it so much that they had to do it twice to make sure you didn't miss it😂
They miss all the other times the fall of the Jedi is referenced before it happened. Like the Clone Wars where Krell knew how the Clone Wars would end and wanted to join Dooku to be on the winning side unaware Dooku wouldn't live that long.
If it makes you feel any better Headland doesn't know why the Beaver sabotaged the ship either.
"I think he’s kind of like, 'What is going on with this guy?' I love Bazil, I wanted to give him a hero moment. I wanted Sol to be completely on edge. I think that Bazil has witnessed the handcuffing, you know what I mean, because he's hiding in the ship. We don't cut to him because that would slow down this very important scene between two of the main characters, but I kind of liked the idea that he came in and was like, 'What's going on in here'?"
She thinks that's why he did it. I'm not sure why he'd be upset by putting an assassin in headcuffs, but there you have it.
How the heck is that even a "hero moment" in her eyes?
There is a way to redeem this show.
1. Have season 2 directed by a competent person.
2. Set the show 25-30 years forward in time.
3. Bring a young Sheev Palpatine in as the hungry Force strong teen who wants to be Plaguis's new apprentice.
4. Sheev methodically kills off Smylo and the twins....early in Season 2.
4. Focus on Sheev's dark side training.....with no nudity.
5. Tie up season 2 with Palps bleeding his saber.....getting his Sith Lord name.
6. Sidious kills his Master in his sleep.
Fade to black.
not bad. The only note I have is that "your show" shouldn't even be shackled with the name The Acolyte.
oh come on man, how am i supposed to be invested in a sheev palpatine story if i don't get to see him butt booty naked at least once! 😂
Torbin probably realized that just having the blood sample readings was enough to prove the vergence on the planet to the High Council and realized he didn’t need to do… any of the things he did that led to the tragedy on Brendok… hence why he waited for Mae to offer him his final penance, that he gladly accepted.
Sol… it feels like they rewrote him for the finale because you see the proof of empathy in him in other episodes, including in scenes where no one is there to watch him… but then they make him just have a psychopathic third act break down just repeating that he did the right thing killing Mother Aniseya, even though in episode 7, he stubbornly refused to fight back against Koril after doing so, with a look of painful regret on his face and in his voice. It could be that over time, he tried justifying the killing in his head to himself, but you don’t really see signs of that in the previous episodes. They just have his character pull a 180.
Let your anger flow, Thor. 😂
Creepy Palpy voice: _goooooooooooooood!_
I was trying to think about how to “fix” or improve this series.
I probably would have given Mother Koril a bigger role or a deeper backstory. Had she been an apprentice of Darth Tenebrous? And tried to steal the idea of creating life using the Force from him?
Then, she and Aniseya were trying to create a child, but it wasn’t working. Somehow, they learned about Brendok being the location of a vergence. Meanwhile, Tenebrous had found a new apprentice (Plagueis - if it wouldn’t contradict his birthday from Legends). The two of them were messing around, and it caused the pregnancy that turned Mae and Osha into “twins.” Aniseya and Koril just tried to falsely take credit for it.
The two Sith wanted to use Mae and Osha for their own purposes (essence transfer?), but not make it seem so obvious. Then the Jedi showed up on Brendok, which gave them a chance to mess around behind the scenes, or make the Jedi look like the bad guys.
Koril and Mae should have been survivors from Brendok and blinded by hatred of the Jedi for “invading” their home. Or, maybe Koril had wanted to train the twins as Sith all along/incorporate more Sith philosophy into their coven, but Aniseya had been resistant to that?
So, Mae was being corrupted by Koril for years. Osha still went with the Jedi and they taught her the right way to heal from her trauma. Setting up a future confrontation or conflict between Koril/Mae and Sol/Osha. Not sure if Mae would want to come to the light side or how that would get resolved.
Qimir just seemed like an afterthought, or a character who was added to this series to be the bizarre “love interest.” That whole plot didn’t work for me.
Hey Thor - Poll? Got to see how it finishes.
It's up now.
Voted. Is it bad when you are glad a new Star Wars show is finally over? Heavy sigh...
I haven't started the video yet, but just wanted to say I really like this format of video, I hope you continue it for star wars stuff going forward!
I’ve never watched a show where so many time the characters do things for no reason other than because the plot. Anyone out there that enjoyed this show, can you please explain to me what this show was about? And don’t just describe the scenes. What was the objective of the show?
@@Gerbil-vm1fp then she has no idea what Star Wars is about lol
@@melchiormagni except we were shown that about the Jedi and the Sith in the first 6 movies ... Darth Vader is the prime example. The books have more examples.
@@melchiormagni agreed. And that’s why I feel it completely deviates from the ethics of Star Wars. Star Wars is not real life. Real life is gray. In Star Wars, the Jedi were the light side. The good in the world. Not perfect. Fallible but strived to do good. The sith were focused on themselves. Dark side. To bend the force to their will. It is very black and white. Good vs evil. This story presented can of course exist but IMO doesn’t reflect Star Wars.
@melchiormagni except qimir is comically evil. He murdered 8 jedi. They didn't know he existed. He confronted them, he went looking for that fight. There is no grey in that. It's all shades of black.
The witches weren't grey either. The mother entered a child's mind and made him submit. Corril pushed Mae to anger on purpose before the jedis arrival. This isn't grey. None of it is.
The jedi made mistakes. Corbin shouldn't have gone back, sol either but they didn't start that fight. Anissaya(?) Had agreed to let osha go. Indara acted in self defense, they mind controlled her friend and was trying to kill her other friends. Sol acted in self defense and in defense of a child. Corbin only ignited his saber after corril went to a battle stance.
The "vergance/convergence" for the entirety of the series I was positive they were saying "virgins". That had left me very confused, plus the whole fact that none of the usual pearl clutches were out and about kicking up a storm.
I think I could write better than this and I have a degree in agriculture
Palpatine: "Have you ever heard of The Acolyte? No, I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would like to tell...."
Palaptine: "Or the Sith would tell either. They don't like talking about it. It's telling that they still venerate Naga Sadow who got too big for his britches and caused the Sith to almost go extinct when he attacked the Republic unprepared but don't mention the Acolyte."
Hey Thor, As chief creative officer surely Filoni had a say in this, do serious questions not need to be asked as to why its was ok'd to pretty much retcon the entirety of Star Wars (since all the movie/shows bar the acolyte are based around the Skywalker era) as well as potentially destroying the reputation of legacy characters (Yoda) which is only going to hurt Star Wars as a whole?
From what I have heard, Filoni was not brought in until after at least the first reshoots (if not the second) when they were struggling with terrible test audience reactions. This was entirely Kennedy and Headland's baby.
Filoni has said he doesn’t care about canon
Filoni even said in an interview with Sam Witwer, (I think) who voices Darth Maul in the Clone Wars, that "breaking canon is the goal."
That's not a direct quote, but it's something very very close to that.
Filoni only just recently became said chief creative officer. He hasn't exactly had any control until it's basically done. All he could have done is give advice, which they didn't have an obligation to follow.
@@Loki_Yogi He never said that you can't even cite it..
If I remember correctly, Plagueis novel suggests that previous eras of darkside users with talents in sorcery could manipulate mitachlorians to extend life.
The Acolyte deserves the Willow treatment.
Hey Thor, did you notice that Qimir only took off his helmet for the purpose of the Vernestra moment? There was no other reason he took it off.
Did they mention how Mae got off the planet? Do we just assume that Qimir was drawn by the vergence in the force to the abandoned planet right when she happened to be stranded?
Does Disney Star Wars have a fetish for women falling in love with dark side users in two days? Rey and Kylo was already weird but what was this? You can be swayed to turn to the dark side, fine, but that doesn't mean you randomly fall in love with this dude the next day. This is how the stereotypical meme of a reddit mod of r/goodguy writes a love story.