Marmot Tungsten 3p Tent: 3-Person 3-Season Green Shadow/Moss As a backpacker that lives in Alaska and is 6'1 I'm very limited on tents that can do it all. Infact Ive got 5 different tents. This is my go to tent for all seasons. I've slept in -30 and +90 in this tent. 250$ish, nice and green and it's held up for 3 years now. If lack of cammo pattern bothers you toss a cheap camo netting over it. Just another system to consider by someone who's spent a couple thousand on tents.
A neighbor of mine who had more money than sense moved a year or so ago. In an effort to downsize his “junk” he discarded all of his high-dollar camping gear to the roadside. Luckily I was driving by and stopped to help. The list of useful items is mind blowing. I ended up with two 4man tents, sleeping bags, self inflating pads, 2 stihl chainsaws, and total worth was a couple grand. He was happy for the help and so I made out like a bandit. Oh and I forgot to mention the two Trek mountain bikes he threw in at the last minute. If it sounds like bragging, it isn’t. I could never afford this quality stuff now that I’m retired and on a tight budget. I could live in a cave but now I have options if the primary residence becomes a no-go.
The civilian term for "hasty hooch" is "fast fly" or "fast pitch fly". A large number of backpacking tent manufacturers offer this style, but you have to have the ground sheet. Often they do not come with the ground sheet.
@@springbloom5940 A tarp? People who think a tarp is the same as a footprint are outing themselves as 2-season campers. If he'd meant a tarp he'd have said it.
With the Marmot Limelight you can use the footprint, poles and fly for a lightweight shelter in good weather. I think the newer ones have doors on both sides too and vestibules. The Bikepack version even comes in muted colors.
I have finally managed to convince a friend of mine that the stuff you talk about is important. So we have started building that group of trusted individuals, designing com plans and sketching on our TOC.
I have one tent story - was living out of a little CP tent with 3 other guys in Honduras, mid 80s. Woke up one morning with a big black scorpion on my skeeter netting. Being my usual trouble-making mischievous self, I hollered at my neighbor, "look out!" and popped that thing with a quick backhand, sent him flying. We bounced that little guy all over that tent. Then came the scorpion fights, the gambling....a grand time was had by all!
Thanks for this in depth video. I did 4 years of putting TOCs together and this was refreshing. I heard terms that I haven't heard in years. Here's something to think about, for a CONUS operation you can grey man camouflage your TOC by making it look like a homeless camp. A few blue tarps , a shopping cart full of garbage , an abandoned vehicle and your going to blend in near any city in the US . Man i hate havingto fix my autocorrects.
So, what ive done is take a decent 4 person (2 person) civi tent that was my preferred size and layout... toss the fly, and replaced it with a copy of it, but i built the copy from green canvas from milsurp companies. Then i used parafin wax to waterseal it and rubberized liquid to seal the seams. Theres a lot to building one, and you have to apply the wax correctly, but it works! Its basically just the cover (fly) that needs to be camo and you can use different ones for diff weather. Not only is it IR compliant. The more you use it the dirtier it gets and more it blends in.
waiting anxiously for part 2, the mods. love your sewing technique. a mile of good nylon thread will serve you a lifetime and will strenghten or upgrade dozens of pieces of equipement. I made a quiver, which has a zip around and reconfigures into a carry bag backpack for my hunting bow.
Hey you mentioned using stoves in the tents briefly. Im a professional chimney sweep and stove/chimney installer. Have some good information about that sort of thing if you have any specific questions. In general id avoid using the zippers in the fly for a pass through if they are plastic they will likely melt if they are metal they will likely heat up and possibly melt the tent material. With a regular wood stove you need 18 inches of clearance to combustibles with single wall pipe which most backpacking stoves use.. even insulated class A double wall pipe needs a two inch clearance to combustibles. A tent wood stove would be lower btu but even with that single wall up against the zippers probably wont go well unless you carry some form of insulation to put between the two.. if i had to rig something cheap get some foil tape, paint it with high temp stove paint probably a flat black to avoid reflection, then use that to attach a small section of 1 in. ceramic fiber blanket around the pipe at the pass through. Use the tape to hold it secure as well as keep the ceramic fibers contained in your ruck unless you feel like itching..
I've seen plans that use a cheap fiberglass welding blanket for the patch through. Take a tube of 100% silicone caulk and a putty knife and coat the fibermesh working in into fiber then let dry before cutting to size. Coat edges again to lock in fibers. The silicone is fire and waterproof, you slit vertically and attach a fly that can be rolled up and tied off above chimney hole. An add overseam is added to tent cuttout and attached with sewn on velcro. Neat system.
I have a Kodiak Canvas cabin tent. Very heavy but you could live in the thing for months. I use the canopy with a wall kit as my TOC/kitchen area with the main tent for a living space. The metal poles work well for a ground plane
I like the newly issued litefighter tents that replaced these tents you’re using in the video. Seems to have fixed most of the issues with this tent you’ve talked about (but don’t get me wrong, there are a few issues with it as well such as there’s no blackout coating) Edit: I left that comment before I watched the full vid, you’re already using it lmao
I got a litefighter tent years ago for my get home bag as im a truck driver and currently could be anywhere from 20 to 250 miles away from home. I have the litefighter 1 with the stuff sack I don't have the winter kit though. But all in all I've used it a few times to familiarize myself with it, and it's awesome. P.S. I'm 6"4' and I fit with ruck in the vestibule but one time the rain was so heavy I just put the ruck to my side and cuddled it lol. Look forward to the next video! P.P.S. I need to get the winter kit but for the past few years I've been running a hammock with a quilt and the lowest I've slept in is 15 with a wool blanket and it was ok.
Something I’ve done with the issued litefighter tent: often times I set it up close to the beginning of a new rainfall. If this is the case, the ground might still be somewhat dry, so you can set it up with the ground cloth upside-down, and then get in your hooch and flip it the ground cloth over, one end at a time. It takes a little figuring out with the poles, but the result is the right side not being as wet when you flip it over.
I love my litefighter tent. And you can add another rain fly that makes it a 4th season. 2 doors and huge vestibules. I just love how many ways you can set it up. It was the most versatile tent I could find and built to survive grunts using it. I searched non stop till I found one that was affordable. Found one that was unused for 100$ on marketplace. You can also buy every individual piece if something gets damaged
THIS. On point my dudes, I prefer the one to two Camo Tarp (or Basha in nuanced differentiation and sizing as applicable) ad hoc shelter setups, it's light, packs small, and can fit 2 people if needed. For the extreme winters in my AO, the Sleep System setup is half the winning battle with staying comfy and survivable. Also-- Camo Nets matter. The Litefighter Tent is still a little too big/ bulky and heavy when packed down even for optimal movement with weight, yes, even some Mountaineering tents are lighter and more robust/ durable than the Litefighter. Not saying it's a bad tent, just not optimal to individual needs for some. For the Military in particular, I think the Mobile TOC Vehicle Systems are the most optimal for general Military application and activities, but for the much more austere or remote needs, these variable Tent/ Shelter ideas are spot on for optional needs. There's also the "Von Reck" Shelter setup-- essentially a 4-person setup (though relatively cramped, gotta keep your Packs/ Rucks outside to really stay comfy) utilizing 4 OG Shelter Halves into an open-top 4-walled configuration, so you can have a Dakota Firepit or other Campfire or Wood Burning Stove in the center of the internal space. It's not optimal, but it works okay, we use that setup at Winter Forge with One Shepherd and S&S Training Solutions. Honestly a 3-Tarp (2 Satellites and a larger general use Tarp for a Groundsheet) setup is better and more configurable, but there ya go. Also, for Minuteman/ Civilian resistance multi-person TOC Tents, the Cabelas brand Alaknak and Kodiak (which has both Canvas and Nylon/ blended material type) models are actually quite good/ sufficient for that type of application as well as a larger triage/ medical center. Obviously they're much heavier and bulkier to lug around, but they're a viable option with the manpower and (catered and subjective) logistical support.
S2.. Those spendy tents you reviewed don't even have floors in them. Back in the 70s-80s backpacked all over the sierras with a pop tent that had a floor in it. Camped at almost 10k in Baja (Mt Diablo) doing comms for the SCORE offroad races and woke up in heavy snow. No problem. You could put an IR camo rain fly over a decent civilian tent. Also, check out Ensolite or Thermarest pads for a more comfortable night's rest. Love you man! Keep up the good work. 73
Eureka Timberline is an absolutely fantastic bomb proof tent that comes in 2 and 4 person versions, and although it is listed as a 3 season, it absolutely can handle heavy snow without problem. It can sort of be set up as a hasty hooch too. It weighs just over 5lbs, although you can reduce the weight a little. I bought mine for an army buddy probably almost 20 years ago and it was already old when I bought it. After years of use, including a couple of army range ex's, and it's still going strong.
Our DTOC in the 5th Infantry Division was several large trailers mated together covered with camouflage nets surrounded with MP’s and controlled by security badges for access. Even during a Reforger 1984,we had live ammunition in our M1911A1’s. Security is a necessity. Also you need stand up room.
Not a full tent but I highly recommend the ENO house fly. It can make a shelter with two sticks or trekking poles anywhere, super lightweight but hardcore performance in snow storms for me
In the desert, we used a lot of short duration operations centers set up with a couple of pickup trucks, bed to bed. I guess you could set an awning or tarp in the rain; we didn't have that issue
USMC 2 Two Man Combat Tent Eureka/ Diamond is great tent, Ya it's heavy but very sturdy. Also believe woodland works better in forest area than multi cam. They do have coyote rain fly when you need that.
In Scouts we would throw up a tarp or large rainfly between trees and then set up the tent under that. This keeps the tent dry until it is moved to its final location
I have a 30' RV trailer for my TOC. The only hassle is the quantity of camo netting, poles, spreaders. But then again, I'm doing more than the average "prepared citizen". Adjust according to your needs. I like my solution that when broken down & ready to move, looks 100% civilian.
Tent wise, I've found some very durable Civvie variants that are much better than the 'MIlSpec". We have a decent number of them for various usage. From TOC to Decon and medical tents to stealth camping/Surveillance. Have used them several times on call outs. Depending on your area, I usually make a hybrid dug out and use the natural surroundings to blend in the small village as much as possible with quick options for breakdown.
From my bug out experimentings I figure what goes for good all seasons clothing, also goes for good all seasons tenting (and sleeping bags). Any well functioning tent with a heavy duty carry pole system (or upgraded) will do, if you base layer it for what ever condition you need it for. My personal preference goes to inflammable outer tarp fabrics :D Any regular sewing machine and a good hobby textile store providing textile technical specifications, will give you any inside/outside hookup add-ons you may want. Decondensers, space to heat reducers, alu foil blackouts, extra insulation, whatever. Worst problem is not cold conditions, but condensation, wet weather and wet gear. A small but smokeless heating system with external exhausting will help a lot to dry and keep you in provision of good fresh air. I made my chimney with short lenghts of small engines universal fit car exhaust pipes (auto retail shops) fitting packed into each other, unioned by size convertion pieces for assembly. Quite light weight and takes little packing space. Pipes does not have to be a big stretch, just long enough to give that clean burn needed draft at worst conditions. Triple opposed cups exhaust exit with an internally placed mesh spark arrestor will give good light dicipline. Matte black/dark gray or olive your pipes in high temp paint for incognito. Glassfiber to insulate the pipe´s on outside walls will improve draft to length relation, but it gets somewhat porous after uses. A small, naturally aspirated rocket stove style firebox with insertable pot burner, makes my heater true multi fuel. Runs clean enough on any burnable liquid or as a wood/coal stove. The old "upside down bottle in the christmas tree leg" physics trick works very well to regulate a steady liquid fuel pool level delivery. No fans, pumps, clogged atomizing nozzles, valves or flat battery nonsenses needed. Just Heat, whenever a wet and cold poor fellow needs it. Have a jolly good time in your garage, and an all year round happy camping :)
Have you set up a tent & woken by a Bigfoot in the camp site? Yes, in 1982, wee jasper NSW Australia near Pyro’s Hut (Google Earth the area.) It was 9’ in height but still was able to walk so quietly. My mate David Todd opened up with a ruger 14, .223 hitting it so many times as it ran, fell and again running. The roar was that scary we left the tent behind and got out of there as soon as it was light enough.
Just spend 100 nights in a one season tent that cost 50 € (Grand Canyon - Cardova 1) I was blessed with excellent dry weather though, otherwise it would be a nightmare for sure.
Cheers for the updates. There are much durable & functional tent in the civilian catagory with affordable cost. It's all in the marketing & promotional adverts. Small company just can't afford expensive ads. We know because we use those tente here in Australia. Great show as always mate. Staf safe.
I prefer my Eureka TCOP tent over the ICS. It has a low profile, vestibules and mesh screens on both sides. Seems to be sturdier because of its symmetrical shape. Not to mention it is M81 woodland and not a nasty UCP pattern.
Looks like some nice options, tough I'm not impressed by neither compared to the Hilleberg keron 4 gt, with black out coating, storm flaps and removable inner tent. I use it all seasons and it's great. From -30c to +30c (Tough we rarley use a tent in +30, that's tarp weather. Sun never sets so hiding light is not a factor for me when it's warm) Have driven some tent TOCs from the hilleberg keron 4 gt (Milspec version) and Hellsport Fjellheimen. Both great options for TOC for 4-seasons, combined with thin sticks and a good multispec/ SAAB Barracuda net and you're gone unless someone walks up on you 15m away
It's so weird how my mind wants to overlook that multicam tent. My eyes see it, but my mind glances over it like it's just a dirty boulder. The color is just right to be either forest floor, stone, or dirt. The greens blend in like moss or leaves. If a company really wanted to, they could make a reversible tent cover, such as alpine boulder grey on one side and forest flecktarn on the other. Instead of a ghille blanket cover, I would rather used a large fishnet and hang local foliage from it, not just for better cover but to save weight and space as well.
Not a bad idea. I've played with tying sting to some branches to pull them down, but it's too fussy to find that perfect spot. Usually I just try to hide in some kind of draw so I can only be seen from a certain angle.
Hey, the vaude mark 3 is a good setup für that MOA. Is a all in one dry pitch, so perfect for nasty wether. Not only is it a fourth season tent. It’s four season with good ventilation. Get it in green and spray paint the fly with the camo theme you need. This way it’s also IR camo conform and is blackout.
Something I have done for Years. I get a roll of HEAVY DUTY PLASTIC. I set up tent. Then I cut two pieces that match the foot print of the tent, plus about four (4) inches all the way around. Then when setting up tent. I throw one on the ground. Set up tent and put other peace inside then gear. This does several things. * Let's tent, LAST four Years. *Makes tent more water proof. In really bad rain. May need to tuck outside ground sheet just under tent edge. *Makes tent EXTREMELY Easy to Clean! * Keeps little critters (scorpions, spiders, centipedes, Snakes) from being rolled up when you pack up. * Gives you a barrier from creepy crawleys from nailing you when rolling up camp.
From what I'm seeing I tend to think a portable hub ice shelter with a/c and heat capabilities may be a better option.. but I'm in northern Wisconsin and it gets Terribly cold here in the winter
The problem with the blackout coating is that it makes the tents unbearably hot. I had to sleep in one of those ICS tents in the daytime in the Mohave desert and it was basically hell.
I don't mind camping for fun, but I would much perfer to build some kind of field fortification if I was in the woods, use a barn or other abandoned building in the country, or look for some kind of abandoned place in the city. Although the best part of the video was the part about camping on top of an office building.
The ICS rain fly loops to put the vestibule pole through annoy me to no end. I ended up cutting the loops to be like half the length, half the annoyance of it being stuck together hahah
Every time I camp I have a rock or a root somewhere under me. Worst time was when I set up in the dark in a heavy storm on a slight incline due to space constraints. Was too tired and had zero interest in getting my air mat out and just slept in the mud. Had a rock under my head, a rock under my hip, and rolled around so much that my MSS bivy was upside down when morning broke.
How much time have you spent copying map overlays or cleaning optics in a downpour? I've lived Infantry life from a ruck too. Some jobs just call for better accommodations.
Son, you’re just making yourself look bad. You’d have called me doc. You’ve seen combat? Cib? You’re hopping on the elevator between floors. My dd214 tells the story
Three things, two of which are arguably pointless... 1. Hitchhiker's guide is a world treasure. 2. You're getting da*n good at signoff transitions, 3. After you said it, it was blatantly obvious, a +1 tent is a wonderful idea and plan. I've been looking through r/ultralight because I'm at OOS fat f"ck and this changes perspective in a, par for the course in your content, noticable and appreciable way. Definitely something to note
In ww2, the Japanese quickly learned that a tent city is a death sentence. When faced with an enemy that has air superiority. So they began to utilize spider hole command centers. Or any structure that did not scream military. Owing to the Americans aversion to civilian casualties. Later in the war that changed when the Americans were confronted with the Japanese total warfare approach. So they stuck to underground command centers.
Mind blown. I should've thought of something that convenient. I have an small hiking air mattress that you inflate with a foot pump, but I never thought of having that used for a tent. It would naturally be insulated as well given the air filled walls. The closest thing I found online were huge $10k tents, but only the frame ribs inflate and it requires a heavy air pump like used for bounce houses. Those are used for medical stations and battle tank hangers. You should take your idea and run to Kickstarter with it.
Have you ever gotten around to the mods you were speaking of doing to your LiteFighter FIDO 2 tent? I've searched your videos but no luck. Please follow-up?
Interesting that you need to break up and network a larger TOC into smaller, more nimble, ones. Warfare has gotten faster, more networked, and more nimble after all. I wonder if local AA being smaller and more accurate/deadly specifically for drone threats, not unlike CIWS for FOB defense, could allow more centralized command.
Just looking at these comments I think you need to define and strongly emphasize the scope of a SMALL 2 person tent based civilian sigint organization and provide use cases. There's always gonna be that guy bragging about his dream hunting kit barely on topic; *YOU* have the ability to focus discussion on how to better sniff magic air vibrations.
MSR elixir one person tent works with a 10x10 bush tarp as a rain fly ,camo and extra warmth,and you can do the hasty hooch with it also. I does have a rain fly but with the 10x10 tarp you can store gear behind your tent and on the sides,while still undecover.
thank you for coming to my Tent TOC
Marmot Tungsten 3p Tent: 3-Person 3-Season Green Shadow/Moss
As a backpacker that lives in Alaska and is 6'1 I'm very limited on tents that can do it all. Infact Ive got 5 different tents. This is my go to tent for all seasons. I've slept in -30 and +90 in this tent.
250$ish, nice and green and it's held up for 3 years now. If lack of cammo pattern bothers you toss a cheap camo netting over it.
Just another system to consider by someone who's spent a couple thousand on tents.
A neighbor of mine who had more money than sense moved a year or so ago. In an effort to downsize his “junk” he discarded all of his high-dollar camping gear to the roadside. Luckily I was driving by and stopped to help. The list of useful items is mind blowing.
I ended up with two 4man tents, sleeping bags, self inflating pads, 2 stihl chainsaws, and total worth was a couple grand.
He was happy for the help and so I made out like a bandit. Oh and I forgot to mention the two Trek mountain bikes he threw in at the last minute. If it sounds like bragging, it isn’t. I could never afford this quality stuff now that I’m retired and on a tight budget. I could live in a cave but now I have options if the primary residence becomes a no-go.
You lucky bastahhd! Good on ya 👍🏽 Ya must be livin' right
@@whiskeythree1622 just lucky I guess.
Born on a mountain, raised in a cave
@@ngkngk875 that must be Heaven you are describing.. I did give one of the bikes away though so as not to be greedy.
What kind of man just throws out two Chainsaws alongside the road?
The civilian term for "hasty hooch" is "fast fly" or "fast pitch fly". A large number of backpacking tent manufacturers offer this style, but you have to have the ground sheet. Often they do not come with the ground sheet.
Lots of words to say tarp
Ground sheet means the difference between being miserable and very miserable. Small comforts go a long way.
@@springbloom5940 A tarp? People who think a tarp is the same as a footprint are outing themselves as 2-season campers. If he'd meant a tarp he'd have said it.
With the Marmot Limelight you can use the footprint, poles and fly for a lightweight shelter in good weather. I think the newer ones have doors on both sides too and vestibules. The Bikepack version even comes in muted colors.
@syberphish I'd say tarp still, however not all tarps are created equal.
I have finally managed to convince a friend of mine that the stuff you talk about is important. So we have started building that group of trusted individuals, designing com plans and sketching on our TOC.
The Hitchhiker's Guide reference made my day. Take a well deserved thumbs up.
I have one tent story - was living out of a little CP tent with 3 other guys in Honduras, mid 80s. Woke up one morning with a big black scorpion on my skeeter netting. Being my usual trouble-making mischievous self, I hollered at my neighbor, "look out!" and popped that thing with a quick backhand, sent him flying. We bounced that little guy all over that tent.
Then came the scorpion fights, the gambling....a grand time was had by all!
Thanks for this in depth video. I did 4 years of putting TOCs together and this was refreshing. I heard terms that I haven't heard in years. Here's something to think about, for a CONUS operation you can grey man camouflage your TOC by making it look like a homeless camp. A few blue tarps , a shopping cart full of garbage , an abandoned vehicle and your going to blend in near any city in the US . Man i hate havingto fix my autocorrects.
So, what ive done is take a decent 4 person (2 person) civi tent that was my preferred size and layout... toss the fly, and replaced it with a copy of it, but i built the copy from green canvas from milsurp companies. Then i used parafin wax to waterseal it and rubberized liquid to seal the seams.
Theres a lot to building one, and you have to apply the wax correctly, but it works! Its basically just the cover (fly) that needs to be camo and you can use different ones for diff weather.
Not only is it IR compliant. The more you use it the dirtier it gets and more it blends in.
When I was in, I really loved my litefighter. If I was in the market for a small tent like this, I'd get one.
waiting anxiously for part 2, the mods. love your sewing technique. a mile of good nylon thread will serve you a lifetime and will strenghten or upgrade dozens of pieces of equipement.
I made a quiver, which has a zip around and reconfigures into a carry bag backpack for my hunting bow.
Hey you mentioned using stoves in the tents briefly. Im a professional chimney sweep and stove/chimney installer. Have some good information about that sort of thing if you have any specific questions. In general id avoid using the zippers in the fly for a pass through if they are plastic they will likely melt if they are metal they will likely heat up and possibly melt the tent material. With a regular wood stove you need 18 inches of clearance to combustibles with single wall pipe which most backpacking stoves use.. even insulated class A double wall pipe needs a two inch clearance to combustibles. A tent wood stove would be lower btu but even with that single wall up against the zippers probably wont go well unless you carry some form of insulation to put between the two.. if i had to rig something cheap get some foil tape, paint it with high temp stove paint probably a flat black to avoid reflection, then use that to attach a small section of 1 in. ceramic fiber blanket around the pipe at the pass through. Use the tape to hold it secure as well as keep the ceramic fibers contained in your ruck unless you feel like itching..
I've seen plans that use a cheap fiberglass welding blanket for the patch through. Take a tube of 100% silicone caulk and a putty knife and coat the fibermesh working in into fiber then let dry before cutting to size. Coat edges again to lock in fibers. The silicone is fire and waterproof, you slit vertically and attach a fly that can be rolled up and tied off above chimney hole.
An add overseam is added to tent cuttout and attached with sewn on velcro. Neat system.
I have a Kodiak Canvas cabin tent. Very heavy but you could live in the thing for months. I use the canopy with a wall kit as my TOC/kitchen area with the main tent for a living space. The metal poles work well for a ground plane
I like the newly issued litefighter tents that replaced these tents you’re using in the video. Seems to have fixed most of the issues with this tent you’ve talked about (but don’t get me wrong, there are a few issues with it as well such as there’s no blackout coating)
Edit: I left that comment before I watched the full vid, you’re already using it lmao
I got a litefighter tent years ago for my get home bag as im a truck driver and currently could be anywhere from 20 to 250 miles away from home. I have the litefighter 1 with the stuff sack I don't have the winter kit though. But all in all I've used it a few times to familiarize myself with it, and it's awesome.
P.S. I'm 6"4' and I fit with ruck in the vestibule but one time the rain was so heavy I just put the ruck to my side and cuddled it lol. Look forward to the next video!
P.P.S. I need to get the winter kit but for the past few years I've been running a hammock with a quilt and the lowest I've slept in is 15 with a wool blanket and it was ok.
Something I’ve done with the issued litefighter tent: often times I set it up close to the beginning of a new rainfall. If this is the case, the ground might still be somewhat dry, so you can set it up with the ground cloth upside-down, and then get in your hooch and flip it the ground cloth over, one end at a time. It takes a little figuring out with the poles, but the result is the right side not being as wet when you flip it over.
I love my litefighter tent. And you can add another rain fly that makes it a 4th season. 2 doors and huge vestibules. I just love how many ways you can set it up. It was the most versatile tent I could find and built to survive grunts using it. I searched non stop till I found one that was affordable. Found one that was unused for 100$ on marketplace. You can also buy every individual piece if something gets damaged
The TED Talk is now the Tent TOC. Nice.
THIS. On point my dudes, I prefer the one to two Camo Tarp (or Basha in nuanced differentiation and sizing as applicable) ad hoc shelter setups, it's light, packs small, and can fit 2 people if needed. For the extreme winters in my AO, the Sleep System setup is half the winning battle with staying comfy and survivable. Also-- Camo Nets matter.
The Litefighter Tent is still a little too big/ bulky and heavy when packed down even for optimal movement with weight, yes, even some Mountaineering tents are lighter and more robust/ durable than the Litefighter. Not saying it's a bad tent, just not optimal to individual needs for some.
For the Military in particular, I think the Mobile TOC Vehicle Systems are the most optimal for general Military application and activities, but for the much more austere or remote needs, these variable Tent/ Shelter ideas are spot on for optional needs.
There's also the "Von Reck" Shelter setup-- essentially a 4-person setup (though relatively cramped, gotta keep your Packs/ Rucks outside to really stay comfy) utilizing 4 OG Shelter Halves into an open-top 4-walled configuration, so you can have a Dakota Firepit or other Campfire or Wood Burning Stove in the center of the internal space. It's not optimal, but it works okay, we use that setup at Winter Forge with One Shepherd and S&S Training Solutions.
Honestly a 3-Tarp (2 Satellites and a larger general use Tarp for a Groundsheet) setup is better and more configurable, but there ya go.
Also, for Minuteman/ Civilian resistance multi-person TOC Tents, the Cabelas brand Alaknak and Kodiak (which has both Canvas and Nylon/ blended material type) models are actually quite good/ sufficient for that type of application as well as a larger triage/ medical center. Obviously they're much heavier and bulkier to lug around, but they're a viable option with the manpower and (catered and subjective) logistical support.
S2.. Those spendy tents you reviewed don't even have floors in them. Back in the 70s-80s backpacked all over the sierras with a pop tent that had a floor in it. Camped at almost 10k in Baja (Mt Diablo) doing comms for the SCORE offroad races and woke up in heavy snow. No problem. You could put an IR camo rain fly over a decent civilian tent. Also, check out Ensolite or Thermarest pads for a more comfortable night's rest.
Love you man! Keep up the good work.
73
Eureka Timberline is an absolutely fantastic bomb proof tent that comes in 2 and 4 person versions, and although it is listed as a 3 season, it absolutely can handle heavy snow without problem. It can sort of be set up as a hasty hooch too. It weighs just over 5lbs, although you can reduce the weight a little. I bought mine for an army buddy probably almost 20 years ago and it was already old when I bought it. After years of use, including a couple of army range ex's, and it's still going strong.
Thank you for your experience and input. you taking the time to do your videos goes a long way for your viewers
Towels are indeed the best for intergalactic emergencies
Our DTOC in the 5th Infantry Division was several large trailers mated together covered with camouflage nets surrounded with MP’s and controlled by security badges for access. Even during a Reforger 1984,we had live ammunition in our M1911A1’s. Security is a necessity. Also you need stand up room.
Not a full tent but I highly recommend the ENO house fly. It can make a shelter with two sticks or trekking poles anywhere, super lightweight but hardcore performance in snow storms for me
Spreading non-scented talc powder on the parts sticking to themselves will help prevent the sticking.
In the desert, we used a lot of short duration operations centers set up with a couple of pickup trucks, bed to bed. I guess you could set an awning or tarp in the rain; we didn't have that issue
USMC 2 Two Man Combat Tent Eureka/ Diamond is great tent, Ya it's heavy but very sturdy. Also believe woodland works better in forest area than multi cam. They do have coyote rain fly when you need that.
The use of camo netting can't be understated. That rainfly will shine like a mirror to any ISR drones overhead
It would have been nice to have a video focusing on choosing strategic locations for different tactics and situations. In regards to pitching a tent.
They are awesome tents, I have two light fighter ones and a catamount. I used the light fighter winter kit in 5 below and snow, slept like a boss
37:05 I get that reference!!
The large vestibule, separated by the screen door looks good for camping with a dog.
As usual very thorough. Thanks for your professional approach to all of your videos, the help you provide this community cannot be understated.
In Scouts we would throw up a tarp or large rainfly between trees and then set up the tent under that. This keeps the tent dry until it is moved to its final location
This sounds so obvious I'm embarrassed to say nobody in my troop ever thought of it.
I have a 30' RV trailer for my TOC. The only hassle is the quantity of camo netting, poles, spreaders. But then again, I'm doing more than the average "prepared citizen". Adjust according to your needs. I like my solution that when broken down & ready to move, looks 100% civilian.
Tent wise, I've found some very durable Civvie variants that are much better than the 'MIlSpec". We have a decent number of them for various usage. From TOC to Decon and medical tents to stealth camping/Surveillance.
Have used them several times on call outs. Depending on your area, I usually make a hybrid dug out and use the natural surroundings to blend in the small village as much as possible with quick options for breakdown.
I have many tents .Bought them at clearance sales .Some were twenty dollars .
What are the good ones?
37:05 Don't Panic. Wasn't expecting that reference from an S2 Underground video, but it definitely made me smile.
Damn! My dyslexia got me all excited. Thought your video was going to be about 'ten tacos'. Oh well, tents are cool, too.
I liked the thoroughness of your head of security inspecting your work. Be sure to follow the recommendations made... 😉👍
Bonus points for bringing the GSD camping with you
From my bug out experimentings I figure what goes for good all seasons clothing, also goes for good all seasons tenting (and sleeping bags). Any well functioning tent with a heavy duty carry pole system (or upgraded) will do, if you base layer it for what ever condition you need it for. My personal preference goes to inflammable outer tarp fabrics :D Any regular sewing machine and a good hobby textile store providing textile technical specifications, will give you any inside/outside hookup add-ons you may want. Decondensers, space to heat reducers, alu foil blackouts, extra insulation, whatever.
Worst problem is not cold conditions, but condensation, wet weather and wet gear. A small but smokeless heating system with external exhausting will help a lot to dry and keep you in provision of good fresh air.
I made my chimney with short lenghts of small engines universal fit car exhaust pipes (auto retail shops) fitting packed into each other, unioned by size convertion pieces for assembly. Quite light weight and takes little packing space. Pipes does not have to be a big stretch, just long enough to give that clean burn needed draft at worst conditions. Triple opposed cups exhaust exit with an internally placed mesh spark arrestor will give good light dicipline. Matte black/dark gray or olive your pipes in high temp paint for incognito. Glassfiber to insulate the pipe´s on outside walls will improve draft to length relation, but it gets somewhat porous after uses.
A small, naturally aspirated rocket stove style firebox with insertable pot burner, makes my heater true multi fuel. Runs clean enough on any burnable liquid or as a wood/coal stove. The old "upside down bottle in the christmas tree leg" physics trick works very well to regulate a steady liquid fuel pool level delivery. No fans, pumps, clogged atomizing nozzles, valves or flat battery nonsenses needed. Just Heat, whenever a wet and cold poor fellow needs it.
Have a jolly good time in your garage, and an all year round happy camping :)
I use a Northface stormbreaker 3 tent, it weights 6 pounds and I used NIR blocking dyes on it.
Have you set up a tent & woken by a Bigfoot in the camp site? Yes, in 1982, wee jasper NSW Australia near Pyro’s Hut (Google Earth the area.) It was 9’ in height but still was able to walk so quietly. My mate David Todd opened up with a ruger 14, .223 hitting it so many times as it ran, fell and again running. The roar was that scary we left the tent behind and got out of there as soon as it was light enough.
Just spend 100 nights in a one season tent that cost 50 € (Grand Canyon - Cardova 1)
I was blessed with excellent dry weather though, otherwise it would be a nightmare for sure.
Thank you, i was wondering about your tent setup in the past.
This episode was in-tents
Cheers for the updates. There are much durable & functional tent in the civilian catagory with affordable cost. It's all in the marketing & promotional adverts. Small company just can't afford expensive ads. We know because we use those tente here in Australia. Great show as always mate. Staf safe.
Sweet german shepherd.
IN DOG WE TRUST🧡🐶
I prefer my Eureka TCOP tent over the ICS. It has a low profile, vestibules and mesh screens on both sides. Seems to be sturdier because of its symmetrical shape. Not to mention it is M81 woodland and not a nasty UCP pattern.
Thanks for a really good video just when my own camping season here in the Nordics is starting!
Love the light fighter tents. So easy to use and great tent.
Looks like some nice options, tough I'm not impressed by neither compared to the Hilleberg keron 4 gt, with black out coating, storm flaps and removable inner tent. I use it all seasons and it's great. From -30c to +30c (Tough we rarley use a tent in +30, that's tarp weather. Sun never sets so hiding light is not a factor for me when it's warm)
Have driven some tent TOCs from the hilleberg keron 4 gt (Milspec version) and Hellsport Fjellheimen. Both great options for TOC for 4-seasons, combined with thin sticks and a good multispec/ SAAB Barracuda net and you're gone unless someone walks up on you 15m away
It's so weird how my mind wants to overlook that multicam tent. My eyes see it, but my mind glances over it like it's just a dirty boulder. The color is just right to be either forest floor, stone, or dirt. The greens blend in like moss or leaves. If a company really wanted to, they could make a reversible tent cover, such as alpine boulder grey on one side and forest flecktarn on the other. Instead of a ghille blanket cover, I would rather used a large fishnet and hang local foliage from it, not just for better cover but to save weight and space as well.
Not a bad idea. I've played with tying sting to some branches to pull them down, but it's too fussy to find that perfect spot. Usually I just try to hide in some kind of draw so I can only be seen from a certain angle.
Hey, the vaude mark 3 is a good setup für that MOA. Is a all in one dry pitch, so perfect for nasty wether. Not only is it a fourth season tent. It’s four season with good ventilation.
Get it in green and spray paint the fly with the camo theme you need. This way it’s also IR camo conform and is blackout.
Nice reference to the hitchhiker’s guide. Don’t panic.
Something I have done for Years.
I get a roll of HEAVY DUTY PLASTIC.
I set up tent. Then I cut two pieces that match the foot print of the tent, plus about four (4) inches all the way around.
Then when setting up tent. I throw one on the ground. Set up tent and put other peace inside then gear.
This does several things.
* Let's tent, LAST four Years.
*Makes tent more water proof. In really bad rain. May need to tuck outside ground sheet just under tent edge.
*Makes tent EXTREMELY Easy to Clean!
* Keeps little critters (scorpions, spiders, centipedes, Snakes) from being rolled up when you pack up.
* Gives you a barrier from creepy crawleys from nailing you when rolling up camp.
From what I'm seeing I tend to think a portable hub ice shelter with a/c and heat capabilities may be a better option.. but I'm in northern Wisconsin and it gets Terribly cold here in the winter
The problem with the blackout coating is that it makes the tents unbearably hot. I had to sleep in one of those ICS tents in the daytime in the Mohave desert and it was basically hell.
14:05 the dragoon tent (the first one on third row) has little cute cat ears :3 cute
I don't mind camping for fun, but I would much perfer to build some kind of field fortification if I was in the woods, use a barn or other abandoned building in the country, or look for some kind of abandoned place in the city. Although the best part of the video was the part about camping on top of an office building.
Very Interesting! Thanks!
The ICS rain fly loops to put the vestibule pole through annoy me to no end. I ended up cutting the loops to be like half the length, half the annoyance of it being stuck together hahah
"TOC Mahal" is legendary
I've enjoyed my French surplus 2 man A frame.
Scanners for radio freq?
What can I use ?
Have a video on it ?
Every time I camp I have a rock or a root somewhere under me. Worst time was when I set up in the dark in a heavy storm on a slight incline due to space constraints. Was too tired and had zero interest in getting my air mat out and just slept in the mud. Had a rock under my head, a rock under my hip, and rolled around so much that my MSS bivy was upside down when morning broke.
Thank you, once again! That’s a good pup!
Thanks!
Good info. I love this channel.
Handy info. Thank you.
Definitely sold on the hasty hooch. Btw, recent media hotspot on the 30tons of Ammonium nitrate "lost" from that train down in CA, any thoughts?
amazing content as usual thanks man!
You can get nice bell tents for about 200 bucks and a caribou stove for even less. They're the best. I've loved it if one in -35 C
TOC-mahal! Nice
Naturehike cloud-up 1-4 p tents, fly 1st pitch start at $100. I prefer my $20 parachute hammock.
Light infantry guy here laughing at the tent evaluation. Poncho on a good night. They send out cooks with mermites. Luxury accommodations.
How much time have you spent copying map overlays or cleaning optics in a downpour? I've lived Infantry life from a ruck too. Some jobs just call for better accommodations.
Son, you’re just making yourself look bad. You’d have called me doc. You’ve seen combat? Cib? You’re hopping on the elevator between floors. My dd214 tells the story
Three things, two of which are arguably pointless...
1. Hitchhiker's guide is a world treasure.
2. You're getting da*n good at signoff transitions,
3. After you said it, it was blatantly obvious, a +1 tent is a wonderful idea and plan. I've been looking through r/ultralight because I'm at OOS fat f"ck and this changes perspective in a, par for the course in your content, noticable and appreciable way. Definitely something to note
For those looking or asking... 28:44 hes running a Tasmanian Tiger gear. Nice rigs, IDK his specific kit though.
Great info
Thank you
Good stuff. Just got a rei 2 per.
In ww2, the Japanese quickly learned that a tent city is a death sentence. When faced with an enemy that has air superiority.
So they began to utilize spider hole command centers. Or any structure that did not scream military. Owing to the Americans aversion to civilian casualties.
Later in the war that changed when the Americans were confronted with the Japanese total warfare approach.
So they stuck to underground command centers.
I’m surprised someone has not designed a Kevlar-based, inflatable, “free-standing”/poleless tent...
Mind blown. I should've thought of something that convenient. I have an small hiking air mattress that you inflate with a foot pump, but I never thought of having that used for a tent. It would naturally be insulated as well given the air filled walls. The closest thing I found online were huge $10k tents, but only the frame ribs inflate and it requires a heavy air pump like used for bounce houses. Those are used for medical stations and battle tank hangers. You should take your idea and run to Kickstarter with it.
Have you ever gotten around to the mods you were speaking of doing to your LiteFighter FIDO 2 tent?
I've searched your videos but no luck.
Please follow-up?
Man I was just thinking about the idea of a toc on my back setup
Good info here
Do you know of any NIR compliant bivvys? I assume the tarps from Litefighter are NIR compliant as well.
How did you alter the camo on the improved combat shelter tent?
Probably walnut dye
Audio good on my end.
Montana just banned tenttoc. 😰
Luuuul
In Germany banned freely to use tents.
Just on spezial camping places is allows to use tent.
I want more A-TACS FGX, IX, and AUX patterned gear.
I second this
This guy knows where his towel is.
Ha! TOC-mahal! That's awesome.
Another great video!
Interesting that you need to break up and network a larger TOC into smaller, more nimble, ones. Warfare has gotten faster, more networked, and more nimble after all. I wonder if local AA being smaller and more accurate/deadly specifically for drone threats, not unlike CIWS for FOB defense, could allow more centralized command.
Just looking at these comments I think you need to define and strongly emphasize the scope of a SMALL 2 person tent based civilian sigint organization and provide use cases. There's always gonna be that guy bragging about his dream hunting kit barely on topic; *YOU* have the ability to focus discussion on how to better sniff magic air vibrations.
I think i can make do with a coleman sun dome with some mods and or a cammo tarp or burlap covering it.
MSR elixir one person tent works with a 10x10 bush tarp as a rain fly ,camo and extra warmth,and you can do the hasty hooch with it also. I does have a rain fly but with the 10x10 tarp you can store gear behind your tent and on the sides,while still undecover.
How is you color correct the ACU color?