Great video, your analysis are very interesting for me as I read in French thus I always learn a lot about the original text. In this book, one detail that struck me is that the cow meeting Stephen in the first page of the book might be linked to the wooden one Dedalus built for Pasiphae, that she used to conceive the Minotaur, the reason the labyrinth was built by Dedalus. And Dedalus didnt only built it but was punished and thrown into it like Stephen is. From Clongowes to Dublin, he seems to wander along the dark and narrow corridors of a labyrinth. At the end of chapter 4, I think Stephen clearly identify as Dedalus flying its way out of the labyrinth, he calls him the "falcon-man" (I read the book in French so the translation might no be exact) and few paragraphs bellow he wants to make the cry of the falcon, shouting its deliverance (from the labyrinth?), in front of the sea like Dedalus flew above the sea of course. It may also symoblises the the exile that we will learn about in the next and last chapter. Maybe its too much, but I think there is so much you could say around this idea of the labyrinth and mythology that Joyce is inviting us to explore by the giving this name to Stephen.
Great video. The book is interlaced with so many complexities it does feel like a labyrinth in itself. I was a bit on the fence after reading the end. But after reading a few essays and trying to fill in the bits I had missed, I can see how much Joyce wove into the work. Your video also was a big help in in clarifying the themes and ideas. Kudos to you both. Did anyone else notice that Joyce kept bringing up cows (Moocow, bovine, heifers, etc) in every chapter? Maybe I’m looking too much into it!
Fantastic, nice overview and looking at the broadstrokes! I enjoyed this book as well. It rewards critical reading and analysis, BOOM baby! Yall are a great team 😊
The evolution of Stephen's language along with his conscience and poetic consciousness is remarkable. What is even more remarkable is that Stephen, by the time of Ulysses, doesnt ever get anywhere, if I recall correctly. He only becomes a teacher to the very kids he cant stand.
Guys, just watched this video and let me tell you it is absolutely brilliant. I agree that this books needs to be "worked out" in order to reap its fruits. Chapter 3 is definitely my favourite too. In fact, the preacher's speech about "the nature of the spiritual torments of hell" is in my humble opinion one of the best examples of terror narrative in the history of literature, particularly if you listen to its Audible rendition by Collin Farrell. How could have Joyce produced such an effective impersonation of that preacher if he hadn't been not only a Catholic but a jesuist himself (as Richard Ellman reminds us in his biography, page 27)? I was completely absorbed when reading that passage, which as you rightly point out in the video reminds us of Dante. It also reminds me of my own upbringing as a Catholic. In fact I guess that Catholic raised readers are probably well placed to resonate themselves with chapters 3 and 4 of the book. In connection with reading the book and, at the same time, listening to Collin Farrell's audible version (sth I think Krypto said he had done twice), I should said that it worked very well with me, but I just wonder to what extent it can also be a two-edged sword. I mean, overall listening to Farrell helps the reader to get into the characters (e.g. the Jesuist preacher during the Spiritual exercises or Stephen's garrulous father), but also it contributed in my case to dislike Stephen Dedalus even more since Farrell put on that "detached" tone when impersonates him that contrasts with the way other characters are done and highlights the pendantic nature of Stephen.
That was a great overview.🎉😊 The third chapter does resonate with most of us in spite of our religions as somewhere at the back these things are ingrained in us in our upbringing.As you rightly pointed out it is a mirror. The novel definitely has much deeper meaning beyond the surface level.
Sometimes it does take a deep look to appreciate a story 😂 So glad the annotations ended up helping you guys enjoy this one! I get sooo annoyed by untranslated portions, haha! Powerful themes in this one. Nice job keeping the discussion to one video :D
I am still reading for a challenge so haven’t listened to all your vid yet. I thought your idea of a lullaby at the beginning was very interesting. I had thought it was his mother or Dante telling him a bed time story. So same thing. I read this at uni and wrote an assignment on it but we won’t worry about how many years ago that was. Love your approach.
Woa! u guys helped a lot, I'm reading the book and enjoying it, but it's being tough for a non-native speaker; now I'm through chapter five going very, very slow... Please, keep up your amazing work! :) Thanks!!
Great analysis, as always!! Though you should let the other guy talk more, it's a bit annoying to hear him get interrupted every now and then. Anyhow amazing work you did with Joyce!
When we first started four years ago, we’d ramble on and repeat ourselves. We talked off-camera about how to make the listener experience better. We jointly decided we’d cut out the repeats at the end of our sentences and edit the other person to start talking early. It comes off as rude we've learned through feedback. We’re best friends and let each other finish talking in reality during recording/discussions. Hopefully, our newer videos can reflect our conversations better.
Una’s love for this author is VERY prevalent. :) I have a friend I swear gets a word of the day....a big word... and he tries to use it AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE...and it’s almost always wrong. I’m like, using big words is cool and all, but not when you do it wrong. Does your word of the day have a companion device that maybe gives you the definition??? So yeah I would probably be one of those readers who’d get hacked off. Lol I was raised Baptist...until I changed homes, then I was raised Methodist....and changed again and was back to Baptist, but the mom was Catholic, so I got to go to Mass with her - Catholicism is such a beautiful and fascinating religion, but the priest never mentioned anything about the goodness of sexual desire. Maybe I should go back.... People who use fear to manage and motivate REALLY anger me. You should be able to put forward your views without having to resort to fear.
Dang. This piece sounds fascinating. It sounds like the church's teachings on sexuality were the massive fulcrum for Joyce. I find myself frequently frustrated with the way that the church can emphasize sexual purity above the message of God in its whole. I believe I could defend the way that the Bible does have a strong emphasis on resisting sexual sin over more horrible things (like murder) - short version being that it is something much more enticing and prevalent. But the way that, for a very long time, the church has, maybe not on purpose, tho definitely on purpose for many people, taught against God's blessing of sexual pleasure, to be straight up insidious. I've heard your experiences mirrored from so many people that grew up in churches.
I enjoyed your analysis of this book much, much more than I enjoyed the book. It -- like an angsty , brainy teenager -- takes itself too seriously (I feel) to be enjoyable. But, I only read it once and not nearly at the depth that you did.
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Doors, windows, or mirrors! Wow! What a great metaphor. I love that!
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Great video, your analysis are very interesting for me as I read in French thus I always learn a lot about the original text.
In this book, one detail that struck me is that the cow meeting Stephen in the first page of the book might be linked to the wooden one Dedalus built for Pasiphae, that she used to conceive the Minotaur, the reason the labyrinth was built by Dedalus. And Dedalus didnt only built it but was punished and thrown into it like Stephen is. From Clongowes to Dublin, he seems to wander along the dark and narrow corridors of a labyrinth.
At the end of chapter 4, I think Stephen clearly identify as Dedalus flying its way out of the labyrinth, he calls him the "falcon-man" (I read the book in French so the translation might no be exact) and few paragraphs bellow he wants to make the cry of the falcon, shouting its deliverance (from the labyrinth?), in front of the sea like Dedalus flew above the sea of course. It may also symoblises the the exile that we will learn about in the next and last chapter.
Maybe its too much, but I think there is so much you could say around this idea of the labyrinth and mythology that Joyce is inviting us to explore by the giving this name to Stephen.
Great video. The book is interlaced with so many complexities it does feel like a labyrinth in itself. I was a bit on the fence after reading the end. But after reading a few essays and trying to fill in the bits I had missed, I can see how much Joyce wove into the work. Your video also was a big help in in clarifying the themes and ideas. Kudos to you both.
Did anyone else notice that Joyce kept bringing up cows (Moocow, bovine, heifers, etc) in every chapter? Maybe I’m looking too much into it!
Thanks. I think the moocows were my favorite parts :D
This was soooo good. Thanks. I really enjoyed it.
Thanks!
Fantastic, nice overview and looking at the broadstrokes! I enjoyed this book as well. It rewards critical reading and analysis, BOOM baby! Yall are a great team 😊
Great book! Thanks for reading with us
The evolution of Stephen's language along with his conscience and poetic consciousness is remarkable. What is even more remarkable is that Stephen, by the time of Ulysses, doesnt ever get anywhere, if I recall correctly. He only becomes a teacher to the very kids he cant stand.
Guys, just watched this video and let me tell you it is absolutely brilliant. I agree that this books needs to be "worked out" in order to reap its fruits. Chapter 3 is definitely my favourite too. In fact, the preacher's speech about "the nature of the spiritual torments of hell" is in my humble opinion one of the best examples of terror narrative in the history of literature, particularly if you listen to its Audible rendition by Collin Farrell. How could have Joyce produced such an effective impersonation of that preacher if he hadn't been not only a Catholic but a jesuist himself (as Richard Ellman reminds us in his biography, page 27)? I was completely absorbed when reading that passage, which as you rightly point out in the video reminds us of Dante. It also reminds me of my own upbringing as a Catholic. In fact I guess that Catholic raised readers are probably well placed to resonate themselves with chapters 3 and 4 of the book. In connection with reading the book and, at the same time, listening to Collin Farrell's audible version (sth I think Krypto said he had done twice), I should said that it worked very well with me, but I just wonder to what extent it can also be a two-edged sword. I mean, overall listening to Farrell helps the reader to get into the characters (e.g. the Jesuist preacher during the Spiritual exercises or Stephen's garrulous father), but also it contributed in my case to dislike Stephen Dedalus even more since Farrell put on that "detached" tone when impersonates him that contrasts with the way other characters are done and highlights the pendantic nature of Stephen.
Thanks! I'd love to give Colin Farrell a round sometime. I like audiobooks as rereads.
-Una
That was a great overview.🎉😊
The third chapter does resonate with most of us in spite of our religions as somewhere at the back these things are ingrained in us in our upbringing.As you rightly pointed out it is a mirror. The novel definitely has much deeper meaning beyond the surface level.
i love you guys! Did a terrific job with Joyce.
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Sometimes it does take a deep look to appreciate a story 😂 So glad the annotations ended up helping you guys enjoy this one!
I get sooo annoyed by untranslated portions, haha!
Powerful themes in this one.
Nice job keeping the discussion to one video :D
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The Latin and annotations made it more difficult.
I am still reading for a challenge so haven’t listened to all your vid yet. I thought your idea of a lullaby at the beginning was very interesting. I had thought it was his mother or Dante telling him a bed time story. So same thing. I read this at uni and wrote an assignment on it but we won’t worry about how many years ago that was. Love your approach.
Oh yes, very close indeed! I’m glad you’re revisiting! I’ve had fun checking out old texts I had read for school too
Brilliant. From India.
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Woa! u guys helped a lot, I'm reading the book and enjoying it, but it's being tough for a non-native speaker; now I'm through chapter five going very, very slow... Please, keep up your amazing work! :) Thanks!!
That's great! I hope you enjoy
Thanks for the video!
You bet!
Hat's off
Where are Noah and Lucas' videos?
Same question. Can't find 'em
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Thank you for your effort, the only thing that's must be on this video is a translation into Arabic ❤❤❤
Great analysis, as always!! Though you should let the other guy talk more, it's a bit annoying to hear him get interrupted every now and then. Anyhow amazing work you did with Joyce!
When we first started four years ago, we’d ramble on and repeat ourselves. We talked off-camera about how to make the listener experience better. We jointly decided we’d cut out the repeats at the end of our sentences and edit the other person to start talking early. It comes off as rude we've learned through feedback. We’re best friends and let each other finish talking in reality during recording/discussions. Hopefully, our newer videos can reflect our conversations better.
Una’s love for this author is VERY prevalent. :)
I have a friend I swear gets a word of the day....a big word... and he tries to use it AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE...and it’s almost always wrong. I’m like, using big words is cool and all, but not when you do it wrong. Does your word of the day have a companion device that maybe gives you the definition??? So yeah I would probably be one of those readers who’d get hacked off. Lol
I was raised Baptist...until I changed homes, then I was raised Methodist....and changed again and was back to Baptist, but the mom was Catholic, so I got to go to Mass with her - Catholicism is such a beautiful and fascinating religion, but the priest never mentioned anything about the goodness of sexual desire. Maybe I should go back....
People who use fear to manage and motivate REALLY anger me. You should be able to put forward your views without having to resort to fear.
Sounds this book spoke to some things in your life too!
Dang. This piece sounds fascinating. It sounds like the church's teachings on sexuality were the massive fulcrum for Joyce. I find myself frequently frustrated with the way that the church can emphasize sexual purity above the message of God in its whole. I believe I could defend the way that the Bible does have a strong emphasis on resisting sexual sin over more horrible things (like murder) - short version being that it is something much more enticing and prevalent. But the way that, for a very long time, the church has, maybe not on purpose, tho definitely on purpose for many people, taught against God's blessing of sexual pleasure, to be straight up insidious. I've heard your experiences mirrored from so many people that grew up in churches.
I can fill a whole dinner meal convo with this :D
glad you guys liked it. I was liking it more and more up to chapter 4 and then bam godless trash
Ones man treasure is another’s man’s trash I guess
I enjoyed your analysis of this book much, much more than I enjoyed the book. It -- like an angsty , brainy teenager -- takes itself too seriously (I feel) to be enjoyable. But, I only read it once and not nearly at the depth that you did.
Heh, I’ll take it as a compliment. I’m sure writing like an angsty teen is part of what he was going for
Merci for the elaborate discussion. Really need to know, are you still catholics?
The wife should be in the plateau if it's so essential to mention her every five minutes
Do you want me to translate your video to arabic 😂 I'm translating it to understand it more 😅😅
I think I can get it to generate
"if you hate the book" "multiple times". hard darth vader style
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You were meant to save democracy, not destroy it, Parnell!
Guess what? All that bropidgen is no substitute for knowing what the f*** you're talking about.