since my 100% hungarian grandparents lived through world war 2 in hungary and came to north America from Germany, I've heard a lot of amazing stories, and I'm trying to look into the history to give the stories more context. like what I'm learning so far and love this video :D
@@mrcs1037 yes that way v4 tanks dont need to be al over the place in german itlian tech trees like the hungarian bf109 is in the italian tech tree as a primium that anoys me verry much
yeah and alot of the models like 35 t, 38 t, Hetzer, Panzer 3, Panzer 4, Panther, Tiger, S35, H35, BT7, T26, T 34 76/85, SU 85/100, are already in the game
@@engineermerasmus2810 nearly all ww2 tanks are bad, why you have to criticise something that was good in it's time. Sure the armor was one of the worst in the time but late ww2 hungarian tanks already had good armor, they were just bombed and had to stop
What a magnificent tank the last one was,so low to the ground,obviously from the later part of the war. I would love to see a full analysis of that tank.
It's very similar to the stuh 42 (105mm howitzer armed stug3) However the running gear wasn't as good, tended to fill with mud , break more easily and wasn't as mobile as the stug due to the small wheels and the lever action double bogie that held 2 sets of roadwheels and rocked over obstacles, with the limitations this caused. However it was valued by the German forces as a decent assault gun /tank destroyer. Excellent armour thickness although riveted construction was less effective and heavier. If you really would like to learn more about it there's a great book all about it.. zrínyi 2 assault howitzer, by Attila Bonhardt [isbn 978-615-80072-3-8] Pretty much covers everything. Fantastic photos too.
The Toldi Turian Nimrod were at the defense of Budapest with the 1st and 2nd armored division. I believe the 1st hussar division had a few Toldis and Csabas.
I was aware of some of these but there were a few surprises as well, some of the tank destroyers looked scary with the speed armour big gun and very low profile equal at least the the germans jag panzer thank you a very interesting watch :)
i think the toldi II can be considered, at least capability wise to be one of the best light tanks fielded in ww2. it performed well in the reconaissance role but it really wasnt a match against anything heavier than T60/70/80s
+Nebukadnezarthe2nd A good observation. Toldi was dependable, easy to manufacture, and small enough to manage European Streets and overhangs. The later, 40mm armed, versions certainly looked good . . . on paper. However, in my humble opinion . . . A tank has to be rated by both its generic utility and its mission specificity. Toldi was a reconnaissance vehicle first and these are best when light, low, and maneuverable; gun armament and combat capability are a nice, but unnecessary, adjunct to this major activity of intelligence gathering. Recon vehicles, and I cite the UK Daimler Dingo here, need great all round visibility most, followed by small silhouette and maneuverability--in that order. For this a 2 man crew might be considered sufficient. Combat vehicles, on the other hand, need a dedicated gunner to free the commander up so he can keep aware of what's going on around him. For this, a 2 man vehicle is inadequate. A commander, burdened by having to spot targets, and manage the gun (traversing the turret, aiming, firing, and loading), is usually unable to maintain Situational Awareness during combat. This was the major drawback of the T60/T70 series, the Panzer 1, Polish and Nihonese armed Tankettes, and all French Light Tanks. The US/UK moved away from the 2 man paradigm quickly, fielding 4 man Light and Cavalry tanks for both Recon and Screening purposes, but even these were inadequate as combat vehicles as they forced the commander to help service the gun (or act as gunner). In light of combat experience it was perceived that the 3 man turret crew was optimal for both Recon and Combat situations, but enlarging the Light Tank to accept a third man in the turret made the vehicle grow until it was too large to effectively conceal during maneuvering. By the time the USA put the M24 Chaffee (a five man, well armed, design) into service it was decided that the utility of the Light Tank was over, for they could not be well enough armored to act as tanks in the field; future ArCav AFVs were more akin to Armored Cars, than tanks. COBET (Red Army) planners also saw this and, from 1943, the roles of screening and reconnaissance were turned over to light armored cars (i.e.: BA 64), or full size mediums (like the T34). Thanks for taking time to read and consider this.
I have seen your footage at the Hungarian Film Institute with the Nimrod armored vehicles and Csaba armored cars in parade in Budapest. The HFI has a large holding of WWI and WWII newsreel footage also many commercial films that have Hungarian aircraft and armor in action and training.
+Michael Edelstein i got the footage from a ww2 Hungarian documentary website - www.balatonimuzeum.hu/de/component/allvideoshare/video/latest/honvedeink-hosiesen-helytallnak-a-bolsevikokkal-szemben
mi az ami tetszik benne a sebezhetősége vagy a legkisebb tűzereje? vagy a német tank kinézet lekopintása XD a magyarok ilyesmiben nem voltak a toppon nem a szakember miatt hanem az anyaghiány és az hogy picik voltunk XD
Márk Hitelezője Még szerencse, hogy egyik tankunk sem német copy. A 38M Toldi és 40M Nimród a svéd L60 licence alapján épült, a turán meg 38 t alapján ( ami cseh tank volt). Egyedül a Tas hasónlított volna a német párducra, de sajnos az már nem készült el. Ha nem ismered a magyar tankokat, akkor minek kommentelsz ide hülyeségeket?
A small correction: The color Turan picture is from Kubinka. The vehicle shown in the photo is a Turan 2, not a Turan 1. The difference between the two is small, however. Turan 1 was armed with a locally produced 40mm Bofors Autocannon. Turan 2 was arm,ed with a locally produced, short barrel, 75mm gun of similar characteristics to the German 7.5cmKwK39/L24 which armed early StuG 3 and Panzer IV models.
"Unlike Italians Hungarians are actually good at engineering and war." you don't know what the hell you are talking about, apart from 908 tanks what did Hungary produce? planes? all italian and German stuff, artillery? 447 pieces, an insignificant war production.
Vlad Melis Mas15 fired 2 torpedoes at the ship, but there are 3 hit marks on the wreck. So it was not just the torpedo boat. The Italian Roma battleship was sunk by 2 bombs btw.
Any of them will help in my tank research as I have done most of French tanks from ww1- present so I am going to move to a different nation probably Australian tanks
Yeah we must send. We had no choice. But we never saw the russians as enemies we don't want to fight there we. And as some local said the hungarians tried to help the locals.
I don't really understand why they reverse the film , perhaps to avoid copywright or to make the film in the eyes of the film maker more dramatic but you see this quite often on these RUclips compilations. You know its reversed because the bow machine guns appear to be on the wrong side of the hulls. The twin Mgs (in the armoured covers) on the Turán medium tank should be on the left side as you face the front of the tank , (right side if you're in the tank facing forward) It's a pretty misleading thing to do to old films as the position of the equipment, symbols, decals etc is often why people watch these films. Also it sort of distorts the historic value for far off in the future when there are less people around who would see the mistake. Still I value seeing these old films, can't say I get to see them otherwise so I'll take what I can get, it's just a shame this practice of reversing film is quite common
Well im hungarian but i dont know anything about our history... And these are some wierd vehicles. Hmmm lets play a game for what ever reason gues the sentece: Űgyes vagy! If you guesed right have a cookie :)
Trianon was against Wilson's self-determination theory,because it WASN'T based on democratic referendums (general equal&secret ballots). It was not a wonder that Czech, Romanian and Serbian politicians PROTESTED against the very idea of democratic referendums about the borders. Czech politicians didn't trust in Slovaks, because only very few Slovaks joined to the so-called "Czechoslovak"army against the Hungarians in 1919 (and Slovaks represented only 48% ratio in Northen parts of Hungary). Romanian politicians didn't trust in Transylvanian Romanians, perhabs they didn't want to join to backward & poor Romania (the ratio of romanians were only 53% in Transylvania). Serbs were small minority (22% !!!) in Voivodine. Similar to Romania, Serbia was also a very backward Orthodox country without serious urbanization or industrialization. It was not wonder that the USA and president Wilson did not signed this anti-democratic dictate. There were only one democratic referendum about the borders between Hungary and Austria: The Sopron area referendum in Western Hungary in 1921, where Entente officers were the leaders of the voting districts, there were general equal and secret ballots with electoral registers (or poll books) of the LOCAL residents, and every local citizen could take part in the elections over 18year, regardless the ethnicity, social status or sex) The "national councils" were brutal mockery and caricature of democracy. 1. Only the Romanians/Czechoslovaks/Serbs were allowed to vote, and only men were allowed to vote. Hungarians were not allowed to participate in the elections. 2. The elections of the envoys of "national" councils were not even locally documented, only the decision of the self-appointed and locally established "national" councils. 3.There weren't secret ballot systems in that "elections", the elections were held as public open ballot/voting, with the simple raise of their hands. 4. There were not so-called "minimal voter turnout", it means that even few gathered people of a (single ethnicity "voters") in a very small pub/bar (as it often happened) could decide the future/fate of whole huge cities..... 5. These so-called "elections" didn't use any ELECTORAL REGISTERS (or POLL BOOKS) of the LOCAL RESIDENTS, thus it made the gerrymandering directly possible. Like the participation of foreign voters from other countries and from foreign settlements were common, thus many people take part in the "elections" who had not any relationship with the area of the actual voting districts. So without electoral registers, even foreign stranger "voters" could participate in the elections (An open possibility for brutal gerrymandery) T The participation of foreign Serbian soldiers in the elections was usual in Southern Hungary Voivodine too. Without electoral registers of local residents, a single voter could vote in many many districts, thus a single man could vote in many many times in many places and voting districts without any problems...
Culturally, both islam and the semi-asian orthodox countries were traditionally west-hater civilizations. THE WESTERN (Catholic-protestant) WORLD is depicted in dark blue on the map of prof. S. Huntington: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Clash_of_Civilizations_map.png What is Western Civilization? The earliest mention of Western civilization “Occidental civilis” After the Great Schism (The East-West Schism /formally in 1054/, between Western Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christianity.) Hungary determined itself as the easternmost bastion of Western civilisation (This statement was affirmed later by Pope Pius II who wrote that to Emperor Friedrich III, “Hungary is the shield of Christianity and the protector of Western civilization”) It is not a secret in history, that countries civilizations are/were not in the same level of development. It is well-known that Western and Central Europe, ( the so-called Western civilization) was always more developed than Orthodox Slavic or Eastern European civilization. The differences in culture (material and verbal), legal constitutional, societal, political, economical, infrastructural, technological and scientific development, between Orthodox countries and Western Christian (Catholic-Protestant) countries were similar great, as the differences between Northern America (USA Canada) and Southern- (Latino) America. MEMENTO: Western things which were not existed in orthodox world: 1. POLITICAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL development: Medieval appearance of parliaments (The parliament is a legislative body(!), DO NOT CONFUSE with the “councils of monarchs” which existed since the very beginnings of human history), the estates of the realm, the clergy, the nobility, and the commoners, 2. Local SELF GOVERNMENT status of big royal/imperial cities, which are the direct ancestors (the continuity) of modern local self governmental systems. Do not confuse the local self governments with the so-called city states. Sovereign city states were the earliest form of states in Human history ( For example: Sumerian city states), and that legal concept has nothing common with the self-governments/local governments of cities within a country or within an Empire. 3. ECONOMY: The medieval appearance of banking systems and social effects and status of urban bourgeoisie, the absolute dominance of money-economy (when the vast majority of trade based on money and the taxes customs duties were collected in money) from the 12th -13th century, instead of the former primitive bartel-based commerce (barter dominated the economies orthodox world until the 17-18th centuries.) 4. HIGHER EDUCATION: The medieval appearance of universities and the medieval appearance of SECULAR intellectuals, 5. CULTURE: Knights, the knight-culture, chivalric code, (and the technological effects of crusades from the Holy Land,) Music and literature: courtly love, troubadours, Gregorian chant, Ars nova, Organum, Motet, Madrigal, Canon and Ballata, Liturgical drama, Novellas, medieval western THEATER: Mystery or cycle plays, morality and passion plays, which developed into the renaissance theater, the direct ancestor of modern theaters. Philosophy: Scholasticism and humanist philosophy, 6. The medieval usage of Latin alphabet and medieval spread of movable type printing, 7. TECHNOLOGY: The guild system is an association of artisans or merchants, which organized the training education, and directed master's exam system for artisians. Due to the compulsory foreign studies of the artisian master's candidates, the guilds played key role in the fast spread of technologies and industrial knowledge in the medieval Western World. 8. The defence systems & fortifications: The spread of stone/brick castle defense -systems, the town-walls of western cities from the 11th century. (In the orthodox world, only the capital cities had such a walls . The countries of the Balkan region and the territory of Russian states fell under Ottoman/Mongolian rule very rapidly - with a single decesive open-field battle - due to the lack of the networks of stone/brick castles and fortresses in these countries. The only exception was the greek inhabited Byzantine territories which were well fortified.) 9. FINEARTS and ARCHITECTURE: western architecture, sculpture paintings and fine-arts: the Romanesque style, the Gothic style and the Renaissance style. The orthodox church buildings and „palaces(?)” were very little, they had primitive structure and poor decorations, their style were influenced by oriental non-European arabic, persian and Syrian influenced Byzantine ornamentics. 10.The renaissance & humanism , the reformation and the enlightenment did not influenced/affected the Orthodox (Eastern European) countries. 11. Before 1870, the industrialization that had developed in Western and Central Europe and the United States did not extend in any significant way to the rest of the world. In Eastern Europe, industrialization lagged far behind, and started only in the 20th century. Their infrastructural and economic development was also very very slow, and many determinant factors of modern civilization - as we called them as civilized way of life - (railways, the electrification of cities, drain & sewer systems, water pipe systems, spread of tap water and bathrooms, telecommuncations etc... spread many-many decades (60-80 years) later. It is no wonder that their contribution in science technology and innovations are completely negligible in Human history by the WESTERN standards.
@SuperduperobergruppenstuppentruppensturmStuka I've been training NATO troops all over the world on the RM (RH) 120 tank cannon for 20 years, so don't tell me bullshit here.
They're tanks aren't bad at all....but don't think they were fully designed by Hungarians. Nearly Half of their vehicles are modifed Czechoslovakian stolen vehicles.
Gratulálok az értelmiségi szintedhez... de érdekelnek a magyar harckocsik de itt már mindent meg említettek róluk és ezáltal nem lehet semmit sem kérdezni róluk. Na és esetleg te tudod a zenét alatta....?
Én csak reménykedni merek abban h nem kerül be a játékba... így is már határán van a játszhatatlan kategóriának hátha még betennék a magyar ágat az kész borzalom. Max 4-es tierig tudná csinálni a magyar ágat GUSZTUSTALAN ezek nem tankok hanem viccek
Nice tanks hungarian brothers ;) Grettings from Poland :)
Thanks man!
Always love you brother
since my 100% hungarian grandparents lived through world war 2 in hungary and came to north America from Germany, I've heard a lot of amazing stories, and I'm trying to look into the history to give the stories more context. like what I'm learning so far and love this video :D
I Really Like Hungarian Tanks
& Am Happy You Made A Video On It
hajra Magyarorszag Greets from Finnorszag
I hope one time all hungarian tanks will be in war thunder at HUNGARIAN TECH TREE.
Yeah
Maybe Visegrad Union tech tree
@@mrcs1037 yes that way v4 tanks dont need to be al over the place in german itlian tech trees like the hungarian bf109 is in the italian tech tree as a primium that anoys me verry much
AGREED
Maybe a “minor European powers tech tree”?
yeah and alot of the models like 35 t, 38 t, Hetzer, Panzer 3, Panzer 4, Panther, Tiger, S35, H35, BT7, T26, T 34 76/85, SU 85/100, are already in the game
Some of those looked quite capable.
brad gillis especially that tank destroyer with a 100 mm gun.
brad gillis true With this weamons Hungary CAN win The great war
They just weren't able to produce enough, but Hungarian engineering is pretty good.
Andrew well, they where produced in the mid hundreds I can see you point... still Hungary wasn't that much of a big tank using country.
Most of these vehicles look very much inspired by German vehicles.
a lot better than the italians, I really want to see these in war thunder, hats off from a romanian guy
Thank you
@@engineermerasmus2810 nearly all ww2 tanks are bad, why you have to criticise something that was good in it's time. Sure the armor was one of the worst in the time but late ww2 hungarian tanks already had good armor, they were just bombed and had to stop
What a magnificent tank the last one was,so low to the ground,obviously from the later part of the war. I would love to see a full analysis of that tank.
It's very similar to the stuh 42 (105mm howitzer armed stug3)
However the running gear wasn't as good, tended to fill with mud , break more easily and wasn't as mobile as the stug due to the small wheels and the lever action double bogie that held 2 sets of roadwheels and rocked over obstacles, with the limitations this caused. However it was valued by the German forces as a decent assault gun /tank destroyer. Excellent armour thickness although riveted construction was less effective and heavier. If you really would like to learn more about it there's a great book all about it.. zrínyi 2 assault howitzer, by Attila Bonhardt [isbn 978-615-80072-3-8]
Pretty much covers everything. Fantastic photos too.
Its fictional.
Greetings from Poland;)
Hungaria & Poland stronk
@@__________5607 What is your problem?
@@__________5607 And 1939 how come here?
I like the tanks inspecial the toldi 1,the turnan 1and the zrinyi.Well done! Keep it like this. :-)
Szerintem a harckocsik nevét és adatait elkéne küldeni a Wargaming netnek és külön ágat kéne csinálni a magyar tankoknak
Osztrák-Magyar Monarchia honnan veszed?
mivel hogy veretes szarok voltak meg értem miért nem akarja be tenni a wg.. pedig fun lenne :D
basszus ne már
Magyar Hazafi nem lesz mert nincs olyan tank amit beraknak tízesnek vagy nyolcasnak
Mar be lett teve premium tanknak turán III
WOW! What Great Way to get my Hungarian Armor fix! When I can't get out and get them lined up for table top play! THANKS!
The Toldi Turian Nimrod were at the defense of Budapest with the 1st and 2nd armored division. I believe the 1st hussar division had a few Toldis and Csabas.
I'm building a couple of these armored car in 1.35 scale just now there brand new kits to the armor modelers market! There really nice!
I was aware of some of these but there were a few surprises as well, some of the tank destroyers looked scary with the speed armour big gun and very low profile equal at least the the germans jag panzer thank you a very interesting watch :)
the hungarian td's were pretty much faster and lighter armored Hetzer's. they mounted the exact same 105mm howitzer's too.
Nice video. Good pictures. A pice of history.
Thanks.
Im Juan from uruguay sud América
i think the toldi II can be considered, at least capability wise to be one of the best light tanks fielded in ww2. it performed well in the reconaissance role but it really wasnt a match against anything heavier than T60/70/80s
Nebukadnezarthe2nd true, the Nimrod was better at engaging soviet light tanks even though it was designed as an anti-aircraft tank
+jmantime there is another toldi you forgot to put in the video one of the most unknown the toldi 3 it had shirts and skirts
+corey davis 12 where built
+Nebukadnezarthe2nd A good observation. Toldi was dependable, easy to manufacture, and small enough to manage European Streets and overhangs. The later, 40mm armed, versions certainly looked good . . . on paper.
However, in my humble opinion . . .
A tank has to be rated by both its generic utility and its mission specificity. Toldi was a reconnaissance vehicle first and these are best when light, low, and maneuverable; gun armament and combat capability are a nice, but unnecessary, adjunct to this major activity of intelligence gathering. Recon vehicles, and I cite the UK Daimler Dingo here, need great all round visibility most, followed by small silhouette and maneuverability--in that order. For this a 2 man crew might be considered sufficient. Combat vehicles, on the other hand, need a dedicated gunner to free the commander up so he can keep aware of what's going on around him. For this, a 2 man vehicle is inadequate. A commander, burdened by having to spot targets, and manage the gun (traversing the turret, aiming, firing, and loading), is usually unable to maintain Situational Awareness during combat. This was the major drawback of the T60/T70 series, the Panzer 1, Polish and Nihonese armed Tankettes, and all French Light Tanks. The US/UK moved away from the 2 man paradigm quickly, fielding 4 man Light and Cavalry tanks for both Recon and Screening purposes, but even these were inadequate as combat vehicles as they forced the commander to help service the gun (or act as gunner).
In light of combat experience it was perceived that the 3 man turret crew was optimal for both Recon and Combat situations, but enlarging the Light Tank to accept a third man in the turret made the vehicle grow until it was too large to effectively conceal during maneuvering. By the time the USA put the M24 Chaffee (a five man, well armed, design) into service it was decided that the utility of the Light Tank was over, for they could not be well enough armored to act as tanks in the field; future ArCav AFVs were more akin to Armored Cars, than tanks. COBET (Red Army) planners also saw this and, from 1943, the roles of screening and reconnaissance were turned over to light armored cars (i.e.: BA 64), or full size mediums (like the T34).
Thanks for taking time to read and consider this.
@@WildBillCox13 well the toldi is superior to the t60
Amazing
I have seen your footage at the Hungarian Film Institute with the Nimrod armored vehicles and Csaba armored cars in parade in Budapest. The HFI has a large holding of WWI and WWII newsreel footage also many commercial films that have Hungarian aircraft and armor in action and training.
+Michael Edelstein i got the footage from a ww2 Hungarian documentary website - www.balatonimuzeum.hu/de/component/allvideoshare/video/latest/honvedeink-hosiesen-helytallnak-a-bolsevikokkal-szemben
Ez fasza volt. Tetszenek a magyar tankok.
mi az ami tetszik benne a sebezhetősége vagy a legkisebb tűzereje? vagy a német tank kinézet lekopintása XD a magyarok ilyesmiben nem voltak a toppon nem a szakember miatt hanem az anyaghiány és az hogy picik voltunk XD
pff ha nem selejteztek volna le minket 1919-ben... Erdélyben sok nyersanyag volt
Márk Hitelezője Még szerencse, hogy egyik tankunk sem német copy. A 38M Toldi és 40M Nimród a svéd L60 licence alapján épült, a turán meg 38 t alapján ( ami cseh tank volt). Egyedül a Tas hasónlított volna a német párducra, de sajnos az már nem készült el. Ha nem ismered a magyar tankokat, akkor minek kommentelsz ide hülyeségeket?
Hagyjad, retaldált az ember. Provokálni jár csak fel a blankot.
A Turán a cseh T-21 licensze alapján készült, de jócskán átdolgozva. Más ágyú, 3 személyes torony, erősebb páncél.
Soviet T-34 would cut through these like butter. The only capable ones are the last ones which looks like German tech (panzer chasis)
A small correction:
The color Turan picture is from Kubinka. The vehicle shown in the photo is a Turan 2, not a Turan 1. The difference between the two is small, however. Turan 1 was armed with a locally produced 40mm Bofors Autocannon. Turan 2 was arm,ed with a locally produced, short barrel, 75mm gun of similar characteristics to the German 7.5cmKwK39/L24 which armed early StuG 3 and Panzer IV models.
I thought Hungarian Tank's would be Worse than Italian Tank's...........Turn's out its Better
MrDodo yea the Japanese bought one tiger
it never reached Japan
"Unlike Italians Hungarians are actually good at engineering and war." you don't know what the hell you are talking about, apart from 908 tanks what did Hungary produce? planes? all italian and German stuff, artillery? 447 pieces, an insignificant war production.
"Engineering" doesn't mean "producing", just sayin'
Obviously, excellent engineering but they have not built them using German stuff.
Vlad Melis Mas15 fired 2 torpedoes at the ship, but there are 3 hit marks on the wreck. So it was not just the torpedo boat. The Italian Roma battleship was sunk by 2 bombs btw.
Well done thank you
How come wargaming isn't watching your vids? We'd have a Hungarian tech tree by now.
i don't know, but i wish
+jmantime You're doing a great job, thought! Keep it up. You also earned yourself a subscriber, have a good one!
+Ram II though*
Ram II of course, i thik jmantime videos has more information than wargaming
Most War Gaming like War Thunder and World of War Tanks believe WWII was fought only by the Germans vs the Alies.
this is not the full video , i still need to find more combat footage of small arms before i can post the full video
Can you do France or Great Britain post ww1 to 1945 or Canada or Australian tanks or South Africa
Any of them will help in my tank research as I have done most of French tanks from ww1- present so I am going to move to a different nation probably Australian tanks
corey davis Ok , eventually , i already started of british and commonwealth tanks
Thanks for this nice video. I really like it because I'm from Hungary. :)
Bálint Stark your welcome
I Love Hungarian tanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thank you! ;)
i m hungarian and i know these vehicles
We'll just pretend that was a great comment.
Hungary was an axis country during ww2, they supported German invasion of Russia and sent its army and air force there along with Italy and romania.
Yeah we must send.
We had no choice. But we never saw the russians as enemies we don't want to fight there we. And as some local said the hungarians tried to help the locals.
hI i 'M LIVING in hungary
Ádi Tomi szia
szia
Jó napot kívánok! ;) Amúgy ja a magyar katonaságban az egyetlen probléma az az volt hogy nem vomlt sok pénz az országnak fegyverzet-re sajna
Szia
the TDs look impressive
My grandfather has a Toldi tank
this venchils need some war thunder
Hungarian tanks, the best!
Danke
Thanks this video iam hungarian
Igen
csaba had a 20mm cannon same one as toldi
In wot these CAN be premium vehicles
I wish the Hungarian tanks would be the 5th bar on the Italian tree
Sorry toldi 2A and turan 2
I don't really understand why they reverse the film , perhaps to avoid copywright or to make the film in the eyes of the film maker more dramatic but you see this quite often on these RUclips compilations.
You know its reversed because the bow machine guns appear to be on the wrong side of the hulls.
The twin Mgs (in the armoured covers) on the Turán medium tank should be on the left side as you face the front of the tank , (right side if you're in the tank facing forward)
It's a pretty misleading thing to do to old films as the position of the equipment, symbols, decals etc is often why people watch these films. Also it sort of distorts the historic value for far off in the future when there are less people around who would see the mistake.
Still I value seeing these old films, can't say I get to see them otherwise so I'll take what I can get, it's just a shame this practice of reversing film is quite common
Hungarian have tanka in ww1 and ww2 but Serbia have Motika(old tool) and rakia :) Serbian viligers strong. XD
I love Zrínyi
Zrinyi looks very "italian" to me...reminds me of "semovente".
Because the first tank bought Hungarians from Italy in 1935, and maybe they tried to copy it.
@@WolfRock89 no the hungarians didn't like the italian tanks
A jó öreg Zrínyi :) meg persze a Turán sem rossz
Ki wotozik?
At 1:50 it looks like a toy car than an armoured car
Like all stuff from that age
We need these in WoT.
11:49 Kinda looks like Sturmpanzer.
Aquakiller
Meh, more like a STuG, but they're pretty similar in design
Derptank Yea, it's based on stug
In 1939 Hungary had more and better tanks than the United States.
Or a complett tier
shame that the turan, toldi and zrynri line were not useful in ww2
4.03 Hungarian stug!
notice the slopped Armor!
would love to see these in war thunder
Szívesen látnám ha a wargaming össze hozná a magyar tankokat..
éjen soká a MAGYAR meg még az olaszok is
Azok a hangok,az igazi az puff,ami szól az bumm,de arik voltak na
Can u blokes use kmph instead of mph plz
Where are the Heavytanks?
You guys didn t have any. :(
Music name, please.
New line in world of tanks ? :)
Magyar/I am hungarian.
Me too Magyar!
Igen
Igen?
most már német-orosz tankokat használnak
I'm hungarian én magyar vagyok
Me too Magyar!
Well im hungarian but i dont know anything about our history...
And these are some wierd vehicles.
Hmmm lets play a game for what ever reason gues the sentece:
Űgyes vagy!
If you guesed right have a cookie :)
Ügyes* ;)
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It means " Good Job!" (Btw I'm Hungarian too)
SHAMEEEEEEEEE on you for not knowing your own history
Trianon was against Wilson's self-determination theory,because it WASN'T based on democratic referendums (general equal&secret ballots). It was not a wonder that Czech, Romanian and Serbian politicians PROTESTED against the very idea of democratic referendums about the borders. Czech politicians didn't trust in Slovaks, because only very few Slovaks joined to the so-called "Czechoslovak"army against the Hungarians in 1919 (and Slovaks represented only 48% ratio in Northen parts of Hungary). Romanian politicians didn't trust in Transylvanian Romanians, perhabs they didn't want to join to backward & poor Romania (the ratio of romanians were only 53% in Transylvania). Serbs were small minority (22% !!!) in Voivodine. Similar to Romania, Serbia was also a very backward Orthodox country without serious urbanization or industrialization.
It was not wonder that the USA and president Wilson did not signed this anti-democratic dictate.
There were only one democratic referendum about the borders between Hungary and Austria: The Sopron area referendum in Western Hungary in 1921, where Entente officers were the leaders of the voting districts, there were general equal and secret ballots with electoral registers (or poll books) of the LOCAL residents, and every local citizen could take part in the elections over 18year, regardless the ethnicity, social status or sex)
The "national councils" were brutal mockery and caricature of democracy.
1. Only the Romanians/Czechoslovaks/Serbs were allowed to vote, and only men were allowed to vote. Hungarians were not allowed to participate in the elections.
2. The elections of the envoys of "national" councils were not even locally documented, only the decision of the self-appointed and locally established "national" councils.
3.There weren't secret ballot systems in that "elections", the elections were held as public open ballot/voting, with the simple raise of their hands.
4. There were not so-called "minimal voter turnout", it means that even few gathered people of a (single ethnicity "voters") in a very small pub/bar (as it often happened) could decide the future/fate of whole huge cities.....
5. These so-called "elections" didn't use any ELECTORAL REGISTERS (or POLL BOOKS) of the LOCAL RESIDENTS,
thus it made the gerrymandering directly possible. Like the participation of foreign voters from other countries and from foreign settlements were common, thus many people take part in the "elections" who had not any relationship with the area of the actual voting districts. So without electoral registers, even foreign stranger "voters" could participate in the elections (An open possibility for brutal gerrymandery) T The participation of foreign Serbian soldiers in the elections was usual in Southern Hungary Voivodine too. Without electoral registers of local residents, a single voter could vote in many many districts, thus a single man could vote in many many times in many places and voting districts without any problems...
Culturally, both islam and the semi-asian orthodox countries were traditionally west-hater civilizations.
THE WESTERN (Catholic-protestant) WORLD is depicted in dark blue on the map of prof. S. Huntington:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Clash_of_Civilizations_map.png
What is Western Civilization?
The earliest mention of Western civilization “Occidental civilis”
After the Great Schism (The East-West Schism /formally in 1054/, between Western Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christianity.) Hungary determined itself as the easternmost bastion of Western civilisation (This statement was affirmed later by Pope Pius II who wrote that to Emperor Friedrich III, “Hungary is the shield of Christianity and the protector of Western civilization”)
It is not a secret in history, that countries civilizations are/were not in the same level of development.
It is well-known that Western and Central Europe, ( the so-called Western civilization) was always more developed than Orthodox Slavic or Eastern European civilization.
The differences in culture (material and verbal), legal constitutional, societal, political, economical, infrastructural, technological and scientific development, between Orthodox countries and Western Christian (Catholic-Protestant) countries were similar great, as the differences between Northern America (USA Canada) and Southern- (Latino) America.
MEMENTO:
Western things which were not existed in orthodox world:
1. POLITICAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL development: Medieval appearance of parliaments (The parliament is a legislative body(!), DO NOT CONFUSE with the “councils of monarchs” which existed since the very beginnings of human history), the estates of the realm, the clergy, the nobility, and the commoners,
2. Local SELF GOVERNMENT status of big royal/imperial cities, which are the direct ancestors (the continuity) of modern local self governmental systems. Do not confuse the local self governments with the so-called city states. Sovereign city states were the earliest form of states in Human history ( For example: Sumerian city states), and that legal concept has nothing common with the self-governments/local governments of cities within a country or within an Empire.
3. ECONOMY: The medieval appearance of banking systems and social effects and status of urban bourgeoisie, the absolute dominance of money-economy (when the vast majority of trade based on money and the taxes customs duties were collected in money) from the 12th -13th century, instead of the former primitive bartel-based commerce (barter dominated the economies orthodox world until the 17-18th centuries.)
4. HIGHER EDUCATION: The medieval appearance of universities and the medieval appearance of SECULAR intellectuals,
5. CULTURE: Knights, the knight-culture, chivalric code, (and the technological effects of crusades from the Holy Land,)
Music and literature: courtly love, troubadours, Gregorian chant, Ars nova, Organum, Motet, Madrigal, Canon and Ballata, Liturgical drama, Novellas,
medieval western THEATER: Mystery or cycle plays, morality and passion plays, which developed into the renaissance theater, the direct ancestor of modern theaters.
Philosophy: Scholasticism and humanist philosophy,
6. The medieval usage of Latin alphabet and medieval spread of movable type printing,
7. TECHNOLOGY: The guild system is an association of artisans or merchants, which organized the training education, and directed master's exam system for artisians. Due to the compulsory foreign studies of the artisian master's candidates, the guilds played key role in the fast spread of technologies and industrial knowledge in the medieval Western World.
8. The defence systems & fortifications: The spread of stone/brick castle defense -systems, the town-walls of western cities from the 11th century. (In the orthodox world, only the capital cities had such a walls . The countries of the Balkan region and the territory of Russian states fell under Ottoman/Mongolian rule very rapidly - with a
single decesive open-field battle - due to the lack of the networks of stone/brick castles and fortresses in these countries. The only exception was the greek inhabited Byzantine territories which were well fortified.)
9. FINEARTS and ARCHITECTURE: western architecture, sculpture paintings and fine-arts: the Romanesque style, the Gothic style and the Renaissance style.
The orthodox church buildings and „palaces(?)” were very little, they had primitive structure and poor decorations, their style were influenced by oriental non-European arabic, persian and Syrian influenced Byzantine ornamentics.
10.The renaissance & humanism , the reformation and the enlightenment did not influenced/affected the Orthodox (Eastern European) countries.
11. Before 1870, the industrialization that had developed in Western and Central Europe and the United States did not extend in any significant way to the rest of the world. In Eastern Europe, industrialization lagged far behind, and started only in the 20th century. Their infrastructural and economic development was also very very slow, and many determinant factors of modern civilization - as we called them as civilized way of life - (railways, the electrification of cities, drain & sewer systems, water pipe systems, spread of tap water and bathrooms, telecommuncations etc... spread many-many decades (60-80 years) later.
It is no wonder that their contribution in science technology and innovations are completely negligible in Human history by the WESTERN standards.
wrong title, it has to called, German Austrian tanks in hungarian service
@SuperduperobergruppenstuppentruppensturmStuka Schön das du keine Ahnung hast, ich aber schon seit 30 Jahren für Rheinmetall arbeite.
@SuperduperobergruppenstuppentruppensturmStuka I've been training NATO troops all over the world on the RM (RH) 120 tank cannon for 20 years, so don't tell me bullshit here.
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this video made me be proud of being hungarian .... kinda .... not realy ....
Kiko Mr. Those ww2 tanks were pretty high quality. You should be proud. Better than Italian tanks, for sure.
TheCard- -Tosser Jajaja yeah maybe.
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They're tanks aren't bad at all....but don't think they were fully designed by Hungarians. Nearly Half of their vehicles are modifed Czechoslovakian stolen vehicles.
Jindřich Šimek we bought the linces for them for buildit and re deasing it
If is it true, i am sorry, but i heard they were stolen from Slovakia.
Jindřich Šimek i hear we bought the liences for them but stolen? Maybe but i dont think so. Sorry for the bad english
only the turan is a czechoslovak tank design from skoda then called t-21
music?
Music?
Anyád hogy csak a zene érdekel és nem az akkori magyar harckocsik!
Gratulálok az értelmiségi szintedhez... de érdekelnek a magyar harckocsik de itt már mindent meg említettek róluk és ezáltal nem lehet semmit sem kérdezni róluk.
Na és esetleg te tudod a zenét alatta....?
XD a nyelv magyar jeee
barmennyire hihetetlen a jelenlegi Magyar ipat nem tudna tankot csinalni nincs toro-nyonto kapacias
Well i needed google translate but Turats aren t casted anymore theyre composed only the oer part is from metal
Rohadtul nem érdekel hogy mennyire gyengék a magyar tankok.. nagyon tetszene ha a wargaming megoldaná ezt
This vehicle is german!:)
which one?
@@szeklergeneral4266 ok! Maghyar made! Ș)
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mind trouble?
Én csak reménykedni merek abban h nem kerül be a játékba... így is már határán van a játszhatatlan kategóriának hátha még betennék a magyar ágat az kész borzalom. Max 4-es tierig tudná csinálni a magyar ágat GUSZTUSTALAN ezek nem tankok hanem viccek
Ezek csak a Szovjet és Német tankoktól voltak rosszabbak. Bármelyik angol vagy britt tankot széttépték volna.
Asian tanks be like
Hungarian tanks🇭🇺>>>🇹🇩ROMANIa tanks