@@isimsizanimator1291 First of All some mamluks from turkic origin like Baybars But while the founder is the Egyptian sultana shajar al-Durr The rest of the Mamluks were Egyptians, mostly of Circassian origin, because they mixed with the Egyptians so Why do the Kazakhs claim Golden Horde?
An economic point you wouldn't know; Egypts attempt to industrialise was hampered by the Ottomans + Britian. Its production of cotton, especially during the American Civil war, should've enable the funding of these projects. But due to Eygpts bid for independance being stopped they never were able to take advantage. I believe there was a goal to make a canal themselves under Ali but after the loss, in 1854, the Ottomans gave the rights off in a bid between France and Britain.
Great video! Egyptian history is so interesting around this time, as is this era in general. It's great to hear an alternate history RUclipsr talk about it. You just got yourself a subscriber!
There is a difference between the Sultanian Mamluks who ended with the martyrdom of Tuman Bay, the last Mamluk who ruled Egypt, and the Ottoman Mamluks during the Ottoman era. The Mamluks, in fact, came to Egypt as slaves, but they were raised in Egypt since they were young, and some of them were born in Egypt, and some of them were Egyptians (orphans). The official name of the state was not the Mamluk Sultanate, it was (the Egyptian Sultanate) or the Egyptian home or the Kingdom of Egypt, but because of the long history of Egypt and the similarity of the name of Egypt throughout history, the different time periods are called the names of the ruling families, but the famous names in all references were the Egyptian Sultanate The army itself consisted of 6,000 Mamluks, and the entire army was made up of Egyptians, and it was called" "Al-Asker Al-Masry" means"the Egyptian military".
Really well made video, impressed to find a video on this topic usually never looked at. In Short Egypt never really got the time to take off as an empire every time they almost did Europe united and brought it down. I guess they learned the lesson from Mamluks of Egypt lol, they slowed down colonization by about 800 years..
To be real, if Egypt didn't get defeated *twice* in war, they would have been in a better position to avoid occupation by the British or the French, as they would both be stronger *and* have better diplomatic ties with the 2 super powers, as well as know how to pit them against each other. Also, not sure how there's gonna be a 1rst World War like in our timeline when Britain's involvement is the result of Germany violating Belgium's sovereignty, something they'd be more neutral on if Germany were an ally instead of France. More importantly, if the Balkans conflicts happen *decades* sooner, then assassinating an heir to a throne wouldn't even happen
I don't think Britain would just "outright" join Germany. The Germans were still a challenger to British hegemony and the high seas fleet was a dagger at their jugular.
It would've been more of an idlamic commonwealth A reformed islamic caliphate with renewed energy It would've been amazing if he had taken all the ottoman lands and then reformed the military strng enough to play the Europeans against each other and slowly push them out of islamic lands
I was always interested in the rise of Muhammad Ali of Egypt. It's impressive how he managed to turn Egypt from one of the Ottoman Empire's puppet states to a capable power enough to overthrow the Ottomans. Muhammad Ali of Egypt managed to establish a professional bureaucracy; built a functioning, industrial economy; and also made an effort to train a professional military and bureaucracy by sending Egyptian soldiers and officers to European schools. He then conquered Sudan and most of Arabia quite easily, thus forcing Bahrain, Qatar and Oman to be dependent on Egypt. The most impressive part is how he managed to almost overthrow his Ottoman masters (the Ottoman navy even defected to the Egyptians in 1840), now imagine if the European powers didn't intervene. Egypt would pretty much become a regional power in the Middle East while having a strong military and good economy. The Balkan states meanwhile would break away from the Ottomans. I'd also expect Egypt to have good relations with the French, with both partitioning North Africa and having a common British threat. With Egypt winning against the dying Ottomans in 1840, the new golden age for Egypt can start!
"He invited all the powerful Mamluks to a party only to turn around and murder them" This is actually something that happened several times in the history of the muslim world. If I remember correctly, one of the early caliphs started the trend, and one of the most powerful rulers of medieaval Tunisia pulled the same trick as well. Invite a less than loyal nobility to a reconcilliation party and then just murder them all and seize their assets.
I dont think that Britain would've cared enought to take over Anatolia. I believe that realistically Pasha would eventually take over of what's left of the Ottoman Empire, simply the troubles of occupying anatolia would definetly outlarge the benefits of owning anatolia as a protectorate. If pasha took over the ottomans instead it would keep the status quo in the region without destroying the balance of power in the region as much as britain having anatolia. Anyway great vid I hope you come back to alt history
as an egyptian, I can indeed confirm that mohamed ali did indeed execute all the mamluks in a party, at his castle, and the ones that tried to escape were caught by his son whom rode on his horse and jumped off a building idk how, and got the rest of'em, it is said the floor was filled with red blood that day
Sorry but Not Albanian, Mohammed Ali is also Turk, just was born in Kavala. İronically, Both Mohammad Ali, Both Mammaluks, Both Ottomans were purely Turkish
All the tables can possibly turn turned in the decline of the Ottomans. They failed to establish central authority and rebellions broke out all over the Empire's vast and multiethnic territory. One of the most funny and ironic examples of this is the Pasha, whom the Sultan sent to solve the problems in Egypt, seeing Egypt as his own land and defying the Sultan. Like, what? I didn't send you there to annex quarter of my Empire!
That was actually a pretty common tactic of ottomans. In the 18th century the ottomans used the same tactic to massacre the whole elite class of South Albania.
If Egypt conquered Constantinople, Ottoman Empire might have survived until the 21st century, because Mehmet Ali Pasha of Kavala (Muhammed Ali) was ahead of his time and knew modernization, industrializatiom, and being intolerant against the imperialist west was a must, citing Britain's fear of him and a strong Ottoman Empire under his control
i don't think so , his son was going to name it the great kingdom of egypt instead of "ottoman empire" it is well known that mehmet ali considered himself an ottoman while his son ibrahim didn't like the ottomans at all and he was the real one behind the military expansion
Muhammad Ali made himself one of the Egyptians, the dear of Egypt, and the founder of modern Egypt, and I, as an Egyptian, am proud of his victories And thank you for this video
Awesome video thx for bringing back alternate history here are some future alternate history ideas what If the Ottomans conquered continental Europe stretching past the Ural Mountains in western Russia to Lisbon in Portugal’s and the northern points of the Nordic countries to the British isles.What if Napoleon’s invasion of Russia succeeded what if Germany was allowed to keep their Easter territories they gained from Russia after WWI.what if Abraham Lincoln was never assassinated, what if the south won the civil war what if the axis won WWII or what if the central powers won WWI what if China was colonized by the European powers what if the scramble for Africa never happened what if Muhammad Ali pasha’s Egyptian empire survived and avoided European colonization and managed to conquer all of Africa. What if the Russian empire never fell I hope you make videos on these what if scenarios peace.
@@mohammed9w553 LMAO, the Ottomans didn't have any support from the French nor the British. Only Suleiman Pasha and his crew were Frenchmen(They were Ottomanized and became Muslims btw so technically they're not Frenchmen anymore as they had abandoned France and became loyal to the Ottomans) and they weren't involved in the battlefield and their jobs were limited to disciplining the Ottoman troops nothing more. You said that the "saudis would've conquered all of the Muslim world" Lmao the saudis couldn't even conquer Hejaz after it was retrieved by the Ottomans let alone conquer the entire Muslim world, The saudis were just a bunch of tribal bedouins with no Military prowess or strategy at all, Hence why the Ottomans crushed them twice even though the Ottomans weren't in their golden age. The Ottomans destroyed al-diriyah the capital of the first saudi state and virtually wiped out the al-saud family. They enslaved many of the Wahhabi women/men and the saudi population which supported them, Infact they took beautiful women from arabia as sex-captives in Istanbul and many of the saudi/wahhabi women and men were sold off in the markets of Cairo. So do you still believe that the barbarians who call themselves saudis would've conquered the muslim world?
@@mohammed9w553 HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA not even in your dreams can the s*udis conquer the entire Muslim world. The saudis were low a----p----e-like baboons who got absolutely crushed by their superior Ottoman masters who rightfully did so.
the Muslim world has nothing to do with this story...the war started when the Turkish governor didn't want to pay the Albanian mercenaries and turned the cannons against them ..from then on a war broke out between the Turks and the Albanians where the Albanians won...... the story begins with another Albanian commander named Tahir
how exactly ottomans helped rising radical muslims? we both know that radical muslims are almost everytime supported by westerners until their so called freedom fighters bite their hands. fyi i am not muslim so dont call me biased.
What if Africa had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin, Sailor Moon and Maddie Fenton instead of Abrahamic shit?
I haven't seen the video in full yet, but Muhammad Ali Pasha was also the one to send a giraffe to france because he didn't actually want to participate in the greek independence war so he wanted to persuade france and britain that he could switch sides. So yeah, he decided to catch two giraffes in Sudan and sent them up to France.
Ellis Marquez....Constantinople was not Grecce but it was the capital of the Eastern Roman Empire...btw those who fought against Muhammad Ali pasha were Albanians too...orthodox Albanians called Arvanites who were the dominant population in the regions of Attica Peloponnese Euboea ect...
Fun fact ottomans asked help from Egypt to save them from the Greek war of independence while some years later they almost got conquered by them and got saved by Europe
Actually in first half of 19th century Russian Empire was the dominant power military speaking beating the hell out of Napoleon forces and smaller enemies, so yeah pretty weird scenario for this specific timeline.
I have no clue why you're so sure Egypt would still have ended up colonised, I don't think you really looked at the circumstances that got the colonised in our timeline properly
There is no such thing as the ottoman egyptian war, neither the soldiers in egypt nor muhammed ali is turkish it would be more correct to call it the ottoman civil war
@@papazataklaattiranimam Muhammad Ali was born in the Sanjak of Kavala (modern-day Kavala), in the Rumelia Eyalet, to an Albanian family from Korça. He was the second son of a Bektashi Albanian tobacco and shipping merchant named Ibrahim Agha en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_Pasha
@@papazataklaattiranimam Turks have thin dark eyes because they're Mongoloids while Mehmet ali pasha in one of his portraits had blue eyes which means that he's a Caucasian from Albania. So no he cannot be a Turk.
@@lollllolll. no they inherited it from abroad. Sikhism is a relatively new religion so it could not have come from there because the turban already existed prior to them.
@@lollllolll. The turban which came with their religion is new. The turban definitely did not originate from them. This concept of a turban must have come from some place outside the Indian subcontinent. Perhaps it came from Persia or from the Turks or from Afghanistan or Central Asia.
@@mth469 yeah that's what i said, i said the Indians highly popularised it not invented it. But i think it's much earlier than the Turks, there's been evidence of turbans since early Carthage, as you said as well it most likely originated from the middle east or the Caucuses, i think it most likely originated in Mesopotamia with Zoroastrianism to be specific, it's really hard to find evidence about turbans because they're mostly cloth, so the more time passes the cloth either completely turns into dust or gets mistaken for bandages or simple fur or other rags by most archeologists. So it's impossible to pinpoint who or where the turban was first worn, but we can assume that it was from the middle east and reached it's way to Persia and then India via the silk road since a lot of cultural exchanges happened because of the silk road (indian spice reached Europe, chess as well, tea, etc)
Dude Turks would not just sit back an watch they would Reorganize and come back Do you even know about Atatürk? The british didn't want war with Him so they left turkey
Why would germany interested in more colonies. They were just a money eater. Germanies ruler were more interested in the own country. The interest in colonies came from merchants and they go with figures.
Why wouldn't Muhammad Ali remain in Constaninople, install a puppet sultan and become the de facto leader of the entire Ottoman empire, instead of just Egypt-Syria. Leaving his son in charge of Egypt. Then implementing his Egyptian reforms across the entire Ottoman empire from Tunisia to the Balkans, drastically modernising the entire empire and allowing the ottomans to become a significant power once more. (Instead of OTL where ottomans had to contend with losing one of their richest province) Though after his death, his son's were rather ineffectual. So the Ottoman Sultan, would use the full might of the modernising ottoman empire to instigate and support an earlier Urabi style revolt in the late 1850/early 1860s. Retaking Egypt back under the control of the sultan, just in time for the American civil war and subsequent cotton boom. Using the funds of which to further develop the rest of the ottoman empire. (Instead of the khedive's squandering it). Resulting in quite a strong, fully unified ottoman empire by the 1870s. Able to fare better against the russians in the Balkans. Preventing the Balkan wars.
Small mistake I noticed in the beginning was that you stated that the Ayyubids were Arabs, they were in fact Kurds, which may seem a little weird, but it’s the truth 😄
Greece didn't even exist at that time.(as a country I mean)...those who fought against Ali pasha were orthodox Albanians called Arvanites so it was basically a religious civil war between Albanians..btw both the Arvanites and the ottoman empire were saved by the european powers of the time and by russia
@lagjes cuni yes it did, it just wasn't recognised but the greeks still beat ali pasha in their independence war, I don't know where you got Albanians from?????
@@leigon. and then as i said Ali pasha if it weren't for the world powers of the time would have invaded istanbul after defeating the ottomans in the battle of nizip the european powers and russia rushed to the aid of the ottomans
@@leigon. Greece did not exist at that time lool the autonomous region of the morea which created the basis for the Greek state after it was created by the orthodox Albanians and the Bavarian king philihellene Otto
Honestly I think a more interesting timeline would be if Ali just straight up declared himself emperor of Constatinople and implemented his reforms in Turkey instead of Egypt.
How the British navy would land in northern France on the outbreak of ww1 Britain's navy was never historically able to land in France except during the 100 years war I feel like the war would be still as hard fought as in our timeline and no Ottoman empire to fight would be easier for Russia although Russia can't win a 1v1 with Germany I can see a Truce in 1916 and what about the naval arms race between Germany and Britain so much left out stuff in other words this video could be an hour long.
Ironically Mamluk Sultanate was fromed by Kipchak Turks, who were a branch of Turkic people who were fleeing the mongols. Later they were captured by Middle Eastern states and have been sold as warrior-slaves. Obviously they were forcibly converted to Islam.
They won militarily and with time. The lost you says is the political. Because the European powers came and saved the ottomans from Muhammad Ali pasha.
😂 well as a catholic albanian im quite sad that we had been under ottoman empire for like 500 years but im also happy that the muslim albanians bros quite were a pain in the ass for the ottomans with the pashaliks and none the less muhammad ali of egypt even before the conquest of Albania , i can 100% tell that ottomans suffered more from Skanderbeg then taking Constantinople too many loses and totally not mehmed the conqueror losing to him 💀
Muhammed Ali Pasha did not liberate Egyptians from Turkish rule In his kingdom,Turks were sole elite of state and local egyptians were subject of Turks Muhammed Ali said this to French visitor Baron de Boislecomte : '‘I have not done in Egypt except what the British are doing in India; they have an army composed of Indians and ruled by British officers, and I have an army composed of Arabs ruled by Turkish officers [...] The Turk makes a better officer, since he knows that he is entitled to rule, while the Arab feels that the Turk is better than him in that respect'' Georges Douin (ed.), La mission du Baron de Boislecomte, L’E´gypte et la Syrie en 1833 (Cairo, 1927), pp. 110-111
Bro, I litterally found your exact comment on reddit from 11 months ago. What is it with ultranationalists and copypastas for arguments whenever something even remotely relevant is brought up. I don't have a horse in this fight, but from arguing with people who do the same, it's honestly pathetic
The nature of Alawite rule eventually change away from that reality. Muhammad Ali himself really didn't care about Arabs, Egyptians didn't even consider themselves Arab at the time. Egypt is merely a personal fief for his own aggrandizement
Hi great video. Mamluks were mostly turkic and to a lesser degree circassian but mehmed ali pashas father was albanian mother was turkish. His mother tongue was turkish but he was bilingual in albanian too. Palace language was turkish in egypt till 1920s . After ottoman dissolutiın it was made arabic. And ayyubids were kurdish dynasty not arabic. Saladin was a general under seljuk turks. He adresses himself as saladdin el kurdi. ❤ ayyubids is only kurdish empire thus very important for us.
As an Egyptian, I say that you are the first person to make a video about this historical period with complete impartiality and credibility. Bravo🎉
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mamluks was turk why egypt people accept mamluks as their history (and rest of world)
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First of All
some mamluks from turkic origin like Baybars
But while the founder is the Egyptian sultana shajar al-Durr
The rest of the Mamluks were Egyptians, mostly of Circassian origin, because they mixed with the Egyptians
so Why do the Kazakhs claim Golden Horde?
@@isimsizanimator1291yeah and Obama is Kenyan
Instead of King-Emperor we’d have Pharaoh-Caesar
Sultan-khedivate
Also first
@@adamhenrywalker actually second 🥈
Nah this isn't AncientEgypt, They don't use Pharaoh anymore
@@IronDroid925
actually we use it
even arabs used it to refer to the ruler of Egypt under the name of a'azez misr or fira'awn misr
An economic point you wouldn't know; Egypts attempt to industrialise was hampered by the Ottomans + Britian. Its production of cotton, especially during the American Civil war, should've enable the funding of these projects. But due to Eygpts bid for independance being stopped they never were able to take advantage. I believe there was a goal to make a canal themselves under Ali but after the loss, in 1854, the Ottomans gave the rights off in a bid between France and Britain.
interesting comment
1:36 Muhammad Ali is still alive in Albania fighting a proxy war with Tupac Who is still alive in Serbia
Nah Tupac is in northern Macedonia
@@dogsittinggay7273 what if he’s in Bulgaria
@@avus-kw2f213 that’s what I said
@@dogsittinggay7273 Bulgarians are just Turks that are Christian and everyone knows Serbians are Christian Turks
6:07 Austria also joined. They sent troops to invade the Levant along with the British (an Austrian led the fleet)
Great video! Egyptian history is so interesting around this time, as is this era in general. It's great to hear an alternate history RUclipsr talk about it. You just got yourself a subscriber!
There is a difference between the Sultanian Mamluks who ended with the martyrdom of Tuman Bay, the last Mamluk who ruled Egypt, and the Ottoman Mamluks during the Ottoman era.
The Mamluks, in fact, came to Egypt as slaves, but they were raised in Egypt since they were young, and some of them were born in Egypt, and some of them were Egyptians (orphans).
The official name of the state was not the Mamluk Sultanate, it was (the Egyptian Sultanate) or the Egyptian home or the Kingdom of Egypt, but because of the long history of Egypt and the similarity of the name of Egypt throughout history, the different time periods are called the names of the ruling families, but the famous names in all references were the Egyptian Sultanate
The army itself consisted of 6,000 Mamluks, and the entire army was made up of Egyptians, and it was called" "Al-Asker Al-Masry" means"the Egyptian military".
Really well made video, impressed to find a video on this topic usually never looked at. In Short Egypt never really got the time to take off as an empire every time they almost did Europe united and brought it down. I guess they learned the lesson from Mamluks of Egypt lol, they slowed down colonization by about 800 years..
To be real, if Egypt didn't get defeated *twice* in war, they would have been in a better position to avoid occupation by the British or the French, as they would both be stronger *and* have better diplomatic ties with the 2 super powers, as well as know how to pit them against each other.
Also, not sure how there's gonna be a 1rst World War like in our timeline when Britain's involvement is the result of Germany violating Belgium's sovereignty, something they'd be more neutral on if Germany were an ally instead of France. More importantly, if the Balkans conflicts happen *decades* sooner, then assassinating an heir to a throne wouldn't even happen
They got defeated once, the first ottoman Egyptian war was egypt just curbstomping the ottoman empire
@@dumworks3440 And they Didn't even militarily lose in the second war, they swept the floor with them ottomans XD
@@zgoodtthey defeated them badly. But it was the European powers that kept the ottomans alive. Then Britain came with Lawrence of Arabia.
They didn’t get defeated in both
@@yousseftalal4520 this dude doesn’t understand military engagement
I don't think Britain would just "outright" join Germany. The Germans were still a challenger to British hegemony and the high seas fleet was a dagger at their jugular.
At his time Mohammed Ali was way smarter than most of the ottomans sultans
It was a really weird time for the ottomans
Muhammed Ali is an Ottoman Turk as well.
@@ylmazuguz3986he was Albanian not a turk 😅
@@ylmazuguz3986 he is Albanian but served in the ottoman army that dosnt make him a turk just like the janissaries
@@يوسفمحمد-ح5ث5ه Her mother is an Albanian, Father is a Turk. His grandson is still alive, I m not saying, Kavalali’s grandsons say that! idiots…
@@ylmazuguz3986
Albanian man born in Greece lived in Egypt
Turks: he is 100% Turkish
It would've been more of an idlamic commonwealth
A reformed islamic caliphate with renewed energy
It would've been amazing if he had taken all the ottoman lands and then reformed the military strng enough to play the Europeans against each other and slowly push them out of islamic lands
I was always interested in the rise of Muhammad Ali of Egypt. It's impressive how he managed to turn Egypt from one of the Ottoman Empire's puppet states to a capable power enough to overthrow the Ottomans. Muhammad Ali of Egypt managed to establish a professional bureaucracy; built a functioning, industrial economy; and also made an effort to train a professional military and bureaucracy by sending Egyptian soldiers and officers to European schools. He then conquered Sudan and most of Arabia quite easily, thus forcing Bahrain, Qatar and Oman to be dependent on Egypt. The most impressive part is how he managed to almost overthrow his Ottoman masters (the Ottoman navy even defected to the Egyptians in 1840), now imagine if the European powers didn't intervene. Egypt would pretty much become a regional power in the Middle East while having a strong military and good economy. The Balkan states meanwhile would break away from the Ottomans. I'd also expect Egypt to have good relations with the French, with both partitioning North Africa and having a common British threat. With Egypt winning against the dying Ottomans in 1840, the new golden age for Egypt can start!
just wanted you to know this showed up in my recommendation. nice editing and great video!!
"He invited all the powerful Mamluks to a party only to turn around and murder them"
This is actually something that happened several times in the history of the muslim world. If I remember correctly, one of the early caliphs started the trend, and one of the most powerful rulers of medieaval Tunisia pulled the same trick as well. Invite a less than loyal nobility to a reconcilliation party and then just murder them all and seize their assets.
This happened in Scotland as well - I believe the Campbells murdered the MacDonalds in their sleep
I dont think that Britain would've cared enought to take over Anatolia. I believe that realistically Pasha would eventually take over of what's left of the Ottoman Empire, simply the troubles of occupying anatolia would definetly outlarge the benefits of owning anatolia as a protectorate. If pasha took over the ottomans instead it would keep the status quo in the region without destroying the balance of power in the region as much as britain having anatolia.
Anyway great vid I hope you come back to alt history
Uhm, Britain Liked russia trapped in the black sea so ill suggest that they will take anatolia to keep russia in check
as an egyptian, I can indeed confirm that mohamed ali did indeed execute all the mamluks in a party, at his castle, and the ones that tried to escape were caught by his son whom rode on his horse and jumped off a building idk how, and got the rest of'em, it is said the floor was filled with red blood that day
As a mamluk, I can confirm I was executed by Mohammad Ali in that castle
@@samcraft3wow so you are the descendant of that one mamluk that somehow escaped
@@samcraft3 Was it a party to die for?
@@potat2976 From circassia to egypt, being invaded by turks and killed by an albanian. Pretty sad.
Sorry but Not Albanian, Mohammed Ali is also Turk, just was born in Kavala. İronically, Both Mohammad Ali, Both Mammaluks, Both Ottomans were purely Turkish
the question asked by everyone but Victoria 3 players
1:37 now I want to see that what if
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All the tables can possibly turn turned in the decline of the Ottomans. They failed to establish central authority and rebellions broke out all over the Empire's vast and multiethnic territory. One of the most funny and ironic examples of this is the Pasha, whom the Sultan sent to solve the problems in Egypt, seeing Egypt as his own land and defying the Sultan. Like, what? I didn't send you there to annex quarter of my Empire!
2:00 inviting your enemy into your house just to ambush them is the most Albanian thing I've heard.
*Albulena flashbacks*
Scanderbeg did not invite the ottomans in Albulena he said if I catch you in Albulena ( Albanian Ujbardha) none of you will be left alive
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That was actually a pretty common tactic of ottomans. In the 18th century the ottomans used the same tactic to massacre the whole elite class of South Albania.
Super interesting video mate, go on !
If Egypt conquered Constantinople, Ottoman Empire might have survived until the 21st century, because Mehmet Ali Pasha of Kavala (Muhammed Ali) was ahead of his time and knew modernization, industrializatiom, and being intolerant against the imperialist west was a must, citing Britain's fear of him and a strong Ottoman Empire under his control
i don't think so , his son was going to name it the great kingdom of egypt instead of "ottoman empire" it is well known that mehmet ali considered himself an ottoman while his son ibrahim didn't like the ottomans at all and he was the real one behind the military expansion
@@eliyonmilo9297 Ottoman is dynasty name "sons of otman", state name originally is "sublime porte" but they usually said it as Ottoman Empire.
His descendat were incompetent@@eliyonmilo9297
Muhammad Ali made himself one of the Egyptians, the dear of Egypt, and the founder of modern Egypt, and I, as an Egyptian, am proud of his victories
And thank you for this video
Ali pasha badas
He was a badass albanian
Awesome video thx for bringing back alternate history here are some future alternate history ideas what If the Ottomans conquered continental Europe stretching past the Ural Mountains in western Russia to Lisbon in Portugal’s and the northern points of the Nordic countries to the British isles.What if Napoleon’s invasion of Russia succeeded what if Germany was allowed to keep their Easter territories they gained from Russia after WWI.what if Abraham Lincoln was never assassinated, what if the south won the civil war what if the axis won WWII or what if the central powers won WWI what if China was colonized by the European powers what if the scramble for Africa never happened what if Muhammad Ali pasha’s Egyptian empire survived and avoided European colonization and managed to conquer all of Africa. What if the Russian empire never fell I hope you make videos on these what if scenarios peace.
In Egypt we have a street named red path that was big Lake of blood of the Mamalek
Love your videos
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Typical Victoria 3 Egyptian I. A behaviour
the saudis didnt have any chance against the new egyptian army it want not even a fight
To be fair they did well against the reformist Iraqis
Nonsense , they had support from the french and the british , otherwise saudis would have conquered all of the muslim world.
@@mohammed9w553 LMAO, the Ottomans didn't have any support from the French nor the British. Only Suleiman Pasha and his crew were Frenchmen(They were Ottomanized and became Muslims btw so technically they're not Frenchmen anymore as they had abandoned France and became loyal to the Ottomans) and they weren't involved in the battlefield and their jobs were limited to disciplining the Ottoman troops nothing more.
You said that the "saudis would've conquered all of the Muslim world" Lmao the saudis couldn't even conquer Hejaz after it was retrieved by the Ottomans let alone conquer the entire Muslim world, The saudis were just a bunch of tribal bedouins with no Military prowess or strategy at all, Hence why the Ottomans crushed them twice even though the Ottomans weren't in their golden age. The Ottomans destroyed al-diriyah the capital of the first saudi state and virtually wiped out the al-saud family. They enslaved many of the Wahhabi women/men and the saudi population which supported them, Infact they took beautiful women from arabia as sex-captives in Istanbul and many of the saudi/wahhabi women and men were sold off in the markets of Cairo.
So do you still believe that the barbarians who call themselves saudis would've conquered the muslim world?
@@mohammed9w553 HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA not even in your dreams can the s*udis conquer the entire Muslim world. The saudis were low a----p----e-like baboons who got absolutely crushed by their superior Ottoman masters who rightfully did so.
bahahahahaha@@mohammed9w553
It would’ve changed the history of modern Muslim world remember the ottomans helped rising radical Muslims while Pasha’s regime was more moderate
the Muslim world has nothing to do with this story...the war started when the Turkish governor didn't want to pay the Albanian mercenaries and turned the cannons against them ..from then on a war broke out between the Turks and the Albanians where the Albanians won...... the story begins with another Albanian commander named Tahir
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali%27s_seizure_of_power
@@lagjescuni5482 Bro is so delusional that he thinks that Muslims didn't despise the ottomans.
how exactly ottomans helped rising radical muslims? we both know that radical muslims are almost everytime supported by westerners until their so called freedom fighters bite their hands.
fyi i am not muslim so dont call me biased.
Very underrated, good video! 👍 I liked and subbed
Very interesting and provocative scenario, thx. for the fodder . 🤪✌️
great video once again
You win a sub
What if Africa had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin, Sailor Moon and Maddie Fenton instead of Abrahamic shit?
Lore of What if Egypt Conquered Constantinople momentum 100
I haven't seen the video in full yet, but Muhammad Ali Pasha was also the one to send a giraffe to france because he didn't actually want to participate in the greek independence war so he wanted to persuade france and britain that he could switch sides.
So yeah, he decided to catch two giraffes in Sudan and sent them up to France.
Finely some one give Mohamed Ali some love
Mahmud the second abolished the corrupt janissarries thus ottoman empire was eithout an army that time
Amazing work
What if Poland had not been divided into districts?
Fun fact it was during Muhammad Ali pasha dynasty the Suez Canal was built.
4:38-4:42
Britain…didn’t want to fight France?
WHAT IS THIS BLASPHEMY!?!?
Hey amazing thumbnail by the way
as a egyptian (7:26) if we reached istambul i think the turks will colopace
With a weakened Ottoman Turkey, what would have happened if Greece tried to take Constantinople?
Ellis Marquez....Constantinople was not Grecce but it was the capital of the Eastern Roman Empire...btw those who fought against Muhammad Ali pasha were Albanians too...orthodox Albanians called Arvanites who were the dominant population in the regions of Attica Peloponnese Euboea ect...
Fun fact ottomans asked help from Egypt to save them from the Greek war of independence while some years later they almost got conquered by them and got saved by Europe
What if Greece Conquered Constantinople?
0:44 The Ayyubids are kurdish not Arabs
Just a note : the Ayubids were actually of Kurdish decent,not arab.
Actually in first half of 19th century Russian Empire was the dominant power military speaking beating the hell out of Napoleon forces and smaller enemies, so yeah pretty weird scenario for this specific timeline.
Yeah no. They only won bc of winter where Napoleon had almost 0 supplies and had to cross a massive distance across Russia for nothing
@@Respecteddude666 for sure! Cold winter in Russia? Never happened before XD
@@MachinegunnerMugZ idk what tf you are trying to say here but just remember that your meat riding of Russia need to stop
@@Respecteddude666 How about Russian army took over Paris 2 years later? I bet it's only because someone forgot to lock its gates XD
1:53 Im A Wali (literally My Family Name is Wali)
And Great What If Video Because You're doing Unique scenarios,
I got a good one. what if the Jewish Revolt against the Romans was successful
Weak kebab land vs Chad pirramid land
Wow, wow! The Eyûbiyan dynasty was never Arabic, but a Sunni Muslim family of a Kurdish origin. Keep the facts straight.
Mamluk Sultanate - Kipchak Turks
How would a more powerful Egypt affect Arab Nationalist movement? Could the Hashemites get their Arabia? What about Israel?
This Egypt would likely become the pan-Arab state, already owning Egypt, the Levant, Iraq, Sudan and Hejaz they could easily expand further
the pan-bullshit state@@Threezi04
Isreal wouldn't exist becouse egypt would control palestine amd would make it impossible to the jewish terrorists to invade palestine
I have no clue why you're so sure Egypt would still have ended up colonised, I don't think you really looked at the circumstances that got the colonised in our timeline properly
Hey, could you do a scenario where Joseph Stalin becomes Patriarch of Moskva?
There is no such thing as the ottoman egyptian war, neither the soldiers in egypt nor muhammed ali is turkish it would be more correct to call it the ottoman civil war
Mehmet Ali pasha was an Albanian, his biography states that he was born into an Albanian family in Kavala(Greece).
@@ibnasnaykalmasryathis biography actually states that his ancestors were migrants from Anatolia (Konya) and not natives of Kavala.
@@papazataklaattiranimam He was a migrant from Korça not Konya.
@@papazataklaattiranimam Muhammad Ali was born in the Sanjak of Kavala (modern-day Kavala), in the Rumelia Eyalet, to an Albanian family from Korça. He was the second son of a Bektashi Albanian tobacco and shipping merchant named Ibrahim Agha
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_Pasha
@@papazataklaattiranimam Turks have thin dark eyes because they're Mongoloids while Mehmet ali pasha in one of his portraits had blue eyes which means that he's a Caucasian from Albania.
So no he cannot be a Turk.
Ottomans couldn't catch a break from my Albanian forefathers 💀
The name is "Mehmed Ali Pasha of Kavala", not Muhammed Ali Pasha.
Mehmed and Muhammed are the same, the former being the Turkish way of saying Muhammed unless I'm totally off the mark.
Mohammed Ali of Egypt he's not Turks to turkifing his name he destroyed them
Anglo-German alliance in WWI... amazing!
where did this trend of wearing a turban come from?
which civilization kicked off this trend?
India and the Sikhs highly popularised it
@@lollllolll.
no they inherited it from abroad.
Sikhism is a relatively new religion so it could not have come from there because the turban already existed prior to them.
@@mth469 i mean the sikhs themselves, they're quite old basically rivaling the Indians, i agree their religion is new but they themselves aren't
@@lollllolll.
The turban which came with their religion is new. The turban definitely did not originate from them.
This concept of a turban must have come from some place outside the Indian subcontinent.
Perhaps it came from Persia or from the Turks or from Afghanistan or Central Asia.
@@mth469 yeah that's what i said, i said the Indians highly popularised it not invented it.
But i think it's much earlier than the Turks, there's been evidence of turbans since early Carthage, as you said as well it most likely originated from the middle east or the Caucuses, i think it most likely originated in Mesopotamia with Zoroastrianism to be specific, it's really hard to find evidence about turbans because they're mostly cloth, so the more time passes the cloth either completely turns into dust or gets mistaken for bandages or simple fur or other rags by most archeologists. So it's impossible to pinpoint who or where the turban was first worn, but we can assume that it was from the middle east and reached it's way to Persia and then India via the silk road since a lot of cultural exchanges happened because of the silk road (indian spice reached Europe, chess as well, tea, etc)
I think the one thing the British would want from help the Germans would be them conceding land in Africa to make their Cape Town to Cairo railway
Dude Turks would not just sit back an watch they would Reorganize and come back Do you even know about Atatürk? The british didn't want war with Him so they left turkey
Turks needed europeans specifically german help to reorganize ataturk didn't matter
Greetings from Turkey!
Ayyubid were kurd not arab
Ayub dynasty wasn't Arab. it was Kurdish
Why would germany interested in more colonies. They were just a money eater. Germanies ruler were more interested in the own country. The interest in colonies came from merchants and they go with figures.
as a turk i loved your timeline but probably france and uk not allows indipendence of balkans beacuse they want ottoman alive
Why wouldn't Muhammad Ali remain in Constaninople, install a puppet sultan and become the de facto leader of the entire Ottoman empire, instead of just Egypt-Syria. Leaving his son in charge of Egypt.
Then implementing his Egyptian reforms across the entire Ottoman empire from Tunisia to the Balkans, drastically modernising the entire empire and allowing the ottomans to become a significant power once more. (Instead of OTL where ottomans had to contend with losing one of their richest province)
Though after his death, his son's were rather ineffectual. So the Ottoman Sultan, would use the full might of the modernising ottoman empire to instigate and support an earlier Urabi style revolt in the late 1850/early 1860s. Retaking Egypt back under the control of the sultan, just in time for the American civil war and subsequent cotton boom. Using the funds of which to further develop the rest of the ottoman empire. (Instead of the khedive's squandering it).
Resulting in quite a strong, fully unified ottoman empire by the 1870s. Able to fare better against the russians in the Balkans. Preventing the Balkan wars.
The ayyibid dynasty Kurds not Arab
Kurds are arab
The ayyibid dynasty not Arab
@moh-elf3357 that's why I said that ayyidid Dynasty are Kurds
Small mistake I noticed in the beginning was that you stated that the Ayyubids were Arabs, they were in fact Kurds, which may seem a little weird, but it’s the truth 😄
Muhhamed ali: Looses in Greece
Greece: Lol get rekt
Greece didn't even exist at that time.(as a country I mean)...those who fought against Ali pasha were orthodox Albanians called Arvanites so it was basically a religious civil war between Albanians..btw both the Arvanites and the ottoman empire were saved by the european powers of the time and by russia
@lagjes cuni yes it did, it just wasn't recognised but the greeks still beat ali pasha in their independence war, I don't know where you got Albanians from?????
@@leigon. Greeks who?? Arvanites literally means ethnic Albanian
@@leigon. and then as i said Ali pasha if it weren't for the world powers of the time would have invaded istanbul after defeating the ottomans in the battle of nizip the european powers and russia rushed to the aid of the ottomans
@@leigon. Greece did not exist at that time lool the autonomous region of the morea which created the basis for the Greek state after it was created by the orthodox Albanians and the Bavarian king philihellene Otto
If Egypt conquered Constantunople Russia will have very big problem
Honestly I think a more interesting timeline would be if Ali just straight up declared himself emperor of Constatinople and implemented his reforms in Turkey instead of Egypt.
How the British navy would land in northern France on the outbreak of ww1 Britain's navy was never historically able to land in France except during the 100 years war I feel like the war would be still as hard fought as in our timeline and no Ottoman empire to fight would be easier for Russia although Russia can't win a 1v1 with Germany I can see a Truce in 1916 and what about the naval arms race between Germany and Britain so much left out stuff in other words this video could be an hour long.
The English navy are pirates
Hi
Here scenarios, So what if Austrian Empire and Egyptian revolutionary join Russia-Byzantine holy crusade against the Turk in crimean war?
Ironically Mamluk Sultanate was fromed by Kipchak Turks, who were a branch of Turkic people who were fleeing the mongols. Later they were captured by Middle Eastern states and have been sold as warrior-slaves. Obviously they were forcibly converted to Islam.
woah there wasn't this dynasty of Kurdish origin 0:45
Yeah
Turkified Kurds
@@papazataklaattiranimam just kurds
@@wankawanka3053 kurds with turkic influence
@@wankawanka3053 Saladin and his dynasty got Turkified in many aspects. that’s why Europeans called him “Saladin the Turk”
Ayubids where kurdish
Fun fact Muhammad Ali pasha dynasty was from 1805 to 1952 they even fought israel
Terrorists Jews didn't even invade palestine in the time of mohamed Ali, that was another time.
Even when Egypt won they still lost in the end.
They won militarily and with time. The lost you says is the political. Because the European powers came and saved the ottomans from Muhammad Ali pasha.
And after saving the ottomans against Muhammad Ali pasha. The British with Lawrence of Arabia. Imagine this?
😂 well as a catholic albanian im quite sad that we had been under ottoman empire for like 500 years but im also happy that the muslim albanians bros quite were a pain in the ass for the ottomans with the pashaliks and none the less muhammad ali of egypt
even before the conquest of Albania , i can 100% tell that ottomans suffered more from Skanderbeg then taking Constantinople too many loses and totally not mehmed the conqueror losing to him 💀
We muslims are all brothers no matter the race or nationality
You are really overreacting to what actually happened
How did it go from Egypt's history to German Empire and Great Britain being best friends
just another great albanian.
Muhammed ali Kurdish
Bro what? He was from Albania
Saddam hussein is kurdish tooo
What if goerge 1 of Greece survived his Assassination
Muhammed Ali Pasha did not liberate Egyptians from Turkish rule
In his kingdom,Turks were sole elite of state and local egyptians were subject of Turks
Muhammed Ali said this to French visitor Baron de Boislecomte :
'‘I have not done in Egypt except what the British are doing in India; they have an army composed of Indians and ruled by British officers, and I have an army composed of Arabs ruled by Turkish officers [...] The Turk makes a better officer, since he knows that he is entitled to rule, while the Arab feels that the Turk is better than him in that respect''
Georges Douin (ed.), La mission du Baron de Boislecomte, L’E´gypte et la Syrie en 1833 (Cairo, 1927), pp. 110-111
Bro, I litterally found your exact comment on reddit from 11 months ago.
What is it with ultranationalists and copypastas for arguments whenever something even remotely relevant is brought up.
I don't have a horse in this fight, but from arguing with people who do the same, it's honestly pathetic
He and his son were Turks but they were the first to conscript Egyptian Arabs in millenia, and they wanted to create an Arab state
@@achaeanmapping4408 it is true that i found on reddit but the source is also correct (I already checked)
The nature of Alawite rule eventually change away from that reality. Muhammad Ali himself really didn't care about Arabs, Egyptians didn't even consider themselves Arab at the time. Egypt is merely a personal fief for his own aggrandizement
@@achaeanmapping4408 lol these turkish bots are kinda funny
Hi great video. Mamluks were mostly turkic and to a lesser degree circassian but mehmed ali pashas father was albanian mother was turkish. His mother tongue was turkish but he was bilingual in albanian too. Palace language was turkish in egypt till 1920s . After ottoman dissolutiın it was made arabic. And ayyubids were kurdish dynasty not arabic. Saladin was a general under seljuk turks. He adresses himself as saladdin el kurdi. ❤ ayyubids is only kurdish empire thus very important for us.
0:45 Ayyubids were Kurds
The Ayyubids were actually Kurds, not Arabs.
Dude the ayyubid weren’t Arabs they were Kurdish
Ayyubids were ethnic Kurdish, not Arab