Roguebook is sadly so underrated. It's a great game. Yes, it's heart is transplanted from Slay the Spire but there is enough innovation there to keep it interesting. It also looks gorgeous. Too bad almost no one is speaking about the game.
I like it, think the art is great. I'm not keen on the parts in-between combat but thought combats were really good with great enemies. I found there was just too few opportunities to sculpt your deck. I love Pirate Outlaws and Slay The Spire because of it's frequent opportunities to add and remove cards and really sculpt those synergies
Really nice list, Tainted Grail's also my favorite of the bunch. I would recommend you check out Wildfrost and Draft of Darkness if you haven't played those, I found them super fun.
After Beneath Oresa and Slay the spire, Griftlands took me by surprise for how well card game and narrative intertwine, like a card game can do that with a story?!
Thanks for the great overview, helped a lot with choosing my next card battler - just bought beneath Oresa. I would really LOVE to hear your take on Wildfrost, which at the moment is my favorite in the genre. It was a bit unfairly maligned when it first released, but it has so many great and unique aspects.
Seconding Wildfrost, it was stupidly hard and unfair when it first came out but the updates they have made since release completely redeems it for me, and it's one of my favourite deck builders (although to be honest I did actually sink about 10 hours even before they released any updates, so I agree with your assessment about unfairly maligned). It's also really fresh with the mechanics, which give it a very distinct feel that I think a lot of the StS inspired games sometimes lack. Out of all the games I own that have cards in it, Wildfrost is my second most played below Slay the Spire, although in the same ballpark as Cobalt Core and Monster Train. It doesn't technically have cards so I understand why you didn't include it, but to me the gameplay of Dicey Dungeons is a lot more like a lot of the games you reviewed here than games like Voice of Cards or Inscryption, and also a fantastic game.
@@DanBottiglieri I agree with your comment and the original one. The game was way too hard for me at first, so much that I stopped playing for several months. I came back when I saw it was available for Android and have been hooked ever since. I love the way they brought new gameplay elements and how everything is so polished and well thought out. Even the little details, like how the name of the leader changes every run, the sounds and music, the animation, the different synergies, and the strategic positioning of the cards on the battlefield, are impressive. It has now made me completely forget about my Balatro addiction. Out of all the deck-building roguelite games I’ve played, Monster Train is the best to me. No other game spikes my endorphin rush like a godly run in that game, but Wildfrost is a close second best for sure.
For Dragon Eclipse, it is technically a board game (that is not even out yet) that they adapted into a video game…so yeah i dont know what they did that haha
I recommend you try Touhou lost branch of legend. Even if you don't know anything about Touhou, the gameplay is fantastic. It is still in early access but there is so many content
I would love to bring some attention to Thea series. I like the original (Thea: the Awakening), but a lot of people prefer the sequel. It is a mix of mild 4X strategy and cardplay, with a ton of Slavish lore, and moreover it is one of the few card games that works as a slow burn, long, strategy style campaign map rather than the super limited uber popular FTL style encounter map. The cardplay is not the strongest part, but the game more than makes up for it with its unique blend of genres and breathtaking amount of lore and encounter variety you will have in the game.
That one falls into the same category as Mahokenshi and Gloomhaven (ish). And those types of games were not considered for the list. But maybe there will be list for those in the future, here on the channel.
@@Hybban yeah I checked, but I swear I read something about this somewhere, I don't remember though. But yeah basically the 2 games are identical, I played them both.
Im going to hard defend Midnight Suns If your looking at it as just a deck builder and comparing it to the roguelike then yeah 100% meh But its not designed as a roguelike... Its designed with the story in mind (Which i super enjoyed) Getting to see some heroes that dont normally get spotlight like Blade or Magik While comboing it with the familiar faces and new takes on existing heroes. The combat is ridiculously fun. the deck building feels unique as the cards get upgraded and can combo with eachother. My only complaint is that it doesnt have much replayability because the story is a focal part of the game. you dont want to have to redo the grindy hub world stuff every time. The first time through though i truly enjoyed the game. and the core gameplay is very solid. Highly reccommend especially if your a marvel fan
I only have 4 titles from the whole list... my top game would be "Monster Train"... But thanks to this vid. I'll check out: "Tainted Grail", "Knock on the coffin" and "Derelicts"... 😎 Cheers!
@@YeOldEntertainment Besides the fact I'm a fan of turn based games, the reason I chose those is because of art concept. I had a moment to watch trailers and gameplay!, I know I'll have a good time playing them... 👍 ( I already bought them, the first one I'm playing is Tainted Grail...) 💯 (I also downloaded several demos from your list, but I wasn't attracted enough to buy them 😅)
Leaving games for those interested : (Most S or close to it) Ring of Pain (Epic game) Balatro Slice+Dice (Insane game with jukebox in bonus) Wildfrost (Tight game, rewarding and fun) Card Quest (Old School, very hard) Quantum Protocol (more like a puzzle game, hard) Escape the Fold Special mention Fate Hunters, Card Survival, DUngeon and Degenerate xD !!!!
I just made it for the video. Would need to re-do-it. But I'll do it soon. Maybe I'll seize the opportunity to add two games that forgot I even played!
My personal list (I've omitted games I don't own): *Absolutely LOVE (100+ Hours)* Slay the Spire Balatro *Fantastic (20+ Hours)* Cobalt Core Fights In Tight Spaces Wildfrost Monster Train *Pretty Good* Death Roads Tournament Hadean Tactics *Not So Great* Voice of Card The Beasts of Burden *Need to Play More to Form Proper Opinion* Griftlands Inscryption Marvel Midnight Suns *Own, haven't played* Across the Obelisk Black Book Roguebook Vault of the Void I added Wildfrost and Fights in Tight Spaces as I believe they belong here, and I love them both (looking forward to Knights in Tight Spaces). I didn't dislike Beasts of Burden as much as you did but I got about 10 hours in and I'm unlikely to ever pick it up again, admittedly, and agree with most of your criticisms, I am quite surprised such a low quality title was made from Square Enix, no less one which has 2 others in a series. I'm terrible for "collecting" games from Steam sales and not playing them, I have to really be in the mood to play something new.
I've seen it recommended many times, but there are a few things that are HUGE red flags. It looks like it's going to be heavily anime-influenced and I've had terrible experiences with that.
Like I said, I left out Gwent in any of its presentations because TCGs are their own thing. Of course I've played it! many times over. It's on my video: Top 10 games from the 2010s.
Many thanks. I'm new to StS (I never thought of myself as a rogue like or dungeon crawler) although I have a few 'deck builders' in Steam. I'm going to go with your favourite because it does look quite nice. Good vid, cheers.
It was an eye-sight problem. I watched the video "full screen" later on (you see it through a tinier window when you are editing) and realized that I had left some clams uncensored. I thought they had bikinis or something. So yes... I guess I censored bewbs but showed the clams... very only fans of me, I know. Looks like yt doesn't mind as they've not taken down the video, I hope they don't find out XD.
Before I bought the game I did I always do: I filtered by negative comments to see the type of gripes that people were having. When I saw that 90% percent of them were: A) Game's is too difficult B) Is unbalanced C) It has nothing other than combat. I immediately knew that the game was not for these people (or these people weren't the right audience for the game, however you want to put it) but it was probably going to be for me. Then I played the game and it turned out I was totally right, because the game's a blast to play. The remaining 10% of negative reviews stated that it was lacking some tooltips and info. Those were partially right.
My problem with Slay the Spire and similar games is that I cannot build the decks I want to. After I am done experimenting, I like playing around with different concepts. But more than 90% of the time I do not manage to make the deck I want in StS. That is why I like Tainted Grail, because there I can actually build the decks I want to play with, instead of pray for random chance to give me the handful of cards I actually need.
The thing is that you are trying to build the deck you want. That's not the way to go in these games. For example if you play the Ironclad... there are three or four overarching strategies and you have to go for the one that you get the cards for. These games are about dynamically building your strategy with what you're given. But there are several games on this list that give you full control over your deck: Vault of the Void (this one is the best for this) Black Book Marvel Midnight Suns (not exactly a Card battler but in the neighborhood) Ash of Gods -The Way (not exactly a Card battler but in the neighborhood) Maybe give those a shot, especially Vault of the Void.
@@sginrummy88 I will stress on saying "When I am done experimenting" which means that when I am done trying all different things in the game, I want to play some specific deck and try out different tactics with it, but the game does not facilitate it in absolutely any way. As an example, I completed Slay the Spire with all of the classes with a few different strategies on each. Then I wanted to play a deck with poisons. I need about 5 cards to make the deck work. I had three different runs, each lasting over an hour and I did not get the 5 goddamn cards even once. I wasted 3 hours playing a game where I had 0 control over getting 5 specific cards, so I can try out a deck I like, after I was done playing with "whatever the game throws at me". This is why I do not like such systems. They waste a ton of time, without absolutely any chance to actually try out fun things I have found work for me.
3:43 thats me,i dont give a shi about stories,those are boring,i like games whose main focus is the actual gameplay itself,not the meaningless boring stories
Wow You guys were quick to claim your codes! No more codes are left! 😲
slay the spire is the goat 🔥🔥🔥
Roguebook is sadly so underrated. It's a great game. Yes, it's heart is transplanted from Slay the Spire but there is enough innovation there to keep it interesting. It also looks gorgeous. Too bad almost no one is speaking about the game.
Hey! I just did a little segment about it, no? It's something!
@@YeOldEntertainment Haha, for sure. Much appreciated, mate :D
I like it, think the art is great. I'm not keen on the parts in-between combat but thought combats were really good with great enemies. I found there was just too few opportunities to sculpt your deck. I love Pirate Outlaws and Slay The Spire because of it's frequent opportunities to add and remove cards and really sculpt those synergies
@@Nintendaddy I can agree that deck building is even more limited than in StS with removing cards being almost impossible.
Really nice list, Tainted Grail's also my favorite of the bunch.
I would recommend you check out Wildfrost and Draft of Darkness if you haven't played those, I found them super fun.
After Beneath Oresa and Slay the spire, Griftlands took me by surprise for how well card game and narrative intertwine, like a card game can do that with a story?!
Exactly! You don't expect multiple stories (well written stories, at that), player agency and multiple endings per story in a card game!
Thanks for the great overview, helped a lot with choosing my next card battler - just bought beneath Oresa.
I would really LOVE to hear your take on Wildfrost, which at the moment is my favorite in the genre. It was a bit unfairly maligned when it first released, but it has so many great and unique aspects.
Interesting! Thanks for he suggestion!
Seconding Wildfrost, it was stupidly hard and unfair when it first came out but the updates they have made since release completely redeems it for me, and it's one of my favourite deck builders (although to be honest I did actually sink about 10 hours even before they released any updates, so I agree with your assessment about unfairly maligned). It's also really fresh with the mechanics, which give it a very distinct feel that I think a lot of the StS inspired games sometimes lack. Out of all the games I own that have cards in it, Wildfrost is my second most played below Slay the Spire, although in the same ballpark as Cobalt Core and Monster Train.
It doesn't technically have cards so I understand why you didn't include it, but to me the gameplay of Dicey Dungeons is a lot more like a lot of the games you reviewed here than games like Voice of Cards or Inscryption, and also a fantastic game.
@@DanBottiglieri I agree with your comment and the original one. The game was way too hard for me at first, so much that I stopped playing for several months. I came back when I saw it was available for Android and have been hooked ever since. I love the way they brought new gameplay elements and how everything is so polished and well thought out. Even the little details, like how the name of the leader changes every run, the sounds and music, the animation, the different synergies, and the strategic positioning of the cards on the battlefield, are impressive. It has now made me completely forget about my Balatro addiction. Out of all the deck-building roguelite games I’ve played, Monster Train is the best to me. No other game spikes my endorphin rush like a godly run in that game, but Wildfrost is a close second best for sure.
For Dragon Eclipse, it is technically a board game (that is not even out yet) that they adapted into a video game…so yeah i dont know what they did that haha
Hell yes! New Ye Olde upload!
Enjoy!
I recommend you try Touhou lost branch of legend. Even if you don't know anything about Touhou, the gameplay is fantastic. It is still in early access but there is so many content
I would love to bring some attention to Thea series. I like the original (Thea: the Awakening), but a lot of people prefer the sequel. It is a mix of mild 4X strategy and cardplay, with a ton of Slavish lore, and moreover it is one of the few card games that works as a slow burn, long, strategy style campaign map rather than the super limited uber popular FTL style encounter map. The cardplay is not the strongest part, but the game more than makes up for it with its unique blend of genres and breathtaking amount of lore and encounter variety you will have in the game.
That one falls into the same category as Mahokenshi and Gloomhaven (ish). And those types of games were not considered for the list. But maybe there will be list for those in the future, here on the channel.
@@YeOldEntertainment Gotcha! Great list though, I found some very cool games through it!
Tier list + Ye Old + Card battler, doesn't get any better! (Unless he does Crpg)
Now it shows!
Oh oh! that game looks problematic! The one in 1:12:47
It can be good for something.
I played star wars deck builder recently. But its not a video game.
Tabletop?
@@YeOldEntertainment
no, in real life
Anyone of this os available @ android? Ty!! I know slay the spire is there
I know Vault of the Void is available for Android. There's also an Android exclusive called Dawncaster.
For Deliverance and Reign, the Deliverance part is a complete and total ripoff from Fate Hunters (to the name and text of cards). Ugly for sure.
Dang it. Why are games from those latitudes so often complete ripoffs of other games?
@@YeOldEntertainment yep, that's rotten. And Fate Hunters is not very known (sadly) so they can get away with it. But Monster Train...
Aren't those two made by the same developers?
@@gabrielmnt4119 Not according to Steam
@@Hybban yeah I checked, but I swear I read something about this somewhere, I don't remember though. But yeah basically the 2 games are identical, I played them both.
The game with Fatso in it doesn’t deserve meh tier. Where’s the body positivity?
I fully endorse Jabba The Hutt for the upcoming miss universe!
Im going to hard defend Midnight Suns
If your looking at it as just a deck builder and comparing it to the roguelike then yeah 100% meh
But its not designed as a roguelike...
Its designed with the story in mind (Which i super enjoyed) Getting to see some heroes that dont normally get spotlight like Blade or Magik
While comboing it with the familiar faces and new takes on existing heroes.
The combat is ridiculously fun. the deck building feels unique as the cards get upgraded and can combo with eachother.
My only complaint is that it doesnt have much replayability because the story is a focal part of the game. you dont want to have to redo the grindy hub world stuff every time.
The first time through though i truly enjoyed the game. and the core gameplay is very solid.
Highly reccommend especially if your a marvel fan
I only have 4 titles from the whole list... my top game would be "Monster Train"... But thanks to this vid. I'll check out: "Tainted Grail", "Knock on the coffin" and "Derelicts"... 😎 Cheers!
I'm curious about your choice of games (aside from Tainted Grail: Conquest, of course). Why Deep Sky Derelicts and Knock on the Coffin Lid?
I always found Monster Train a bit overrated. It's cool, but lots of playthroughs just feel the same
@@YeOldEntertainment Besides the fact I'm a fan of turn based games, the reason I chose those is because of art concept. I had a moment to watch trailers and gameplay!, I know I'll have a good time playing them... 👍 ( I already bought them, the first one I'm playing is Tainted Grail...) 💯 (I also downloaded several demos from your list, but I wasn't attracted enough to buy them 😅)
@@Droid6689 I'm a completionist... That game is pure joy to play knowing you'll unlock/complete something in every run... 😁
I bought beneath Oresa and I literally can't put it down. Genuinely incredible.
Impressive, yes.
I really like the game but It keeps crashing on me…
Rogue Femme in the "Bad" tier!
UNSUBSCRIBED!
The p*rn is strong in this one.
Great list. Would put Balatro in top tier and Griftlands further down. Trials of fire and Slice and dice should get a mention too
Slice and Dice isn't a card game
Griftlands is top tier. Played it a ton on my switch despite it's horrible poor UI on the switch
Man the UI on PC was absolutely perfect. But yes, I also like it a lot, but I wouldn't say is top-top tier.
I really enjoyed "Trials of Fire". I think it is super underrated and often missing from such tiers.
There are so many of these games. I even left out two that I remembered once the video was almost edited!
I am surprised to not see Indies Lies which I think is a hidden gem of a roguelite deckbuilder. Do you have any thoughts on it?
Leaving games for those interested : (Most S or close to it)
Ring of Pain (Epic game)
Balatro
Slice+Dice (Insane game with jukebox in bonus)
Wildfrost (Tight game, rewarding and fun)
Card Quest (Old School, very hard)
Quantum Protocol (more like a puzzle game, hard)
Escape the Fold
Special mention
Fate Hunters, Card Survival, DUngeon and Degenerate xD !!!!
Is it possible to make public your tier list ?
I just made it for the video. Would need to re-do-it. But I'll do it soon. Maybe I'll seize the opportunity to add two games that forgot I even played!
Check out library of ruina, i luv it, and i luv angela.
Some suggestions: Banners of Ruin, Library of Ruina, Ratropolis
"The game is an absolute must-play. You need to experience this before you die. It's going near the bottom of the 'Good' tier."
It´s not a good card battler. But it's quite an experience.
I don't like this genre very much, but I sure do like Ye Olde Entertainment videos.
Thanks. There are a couple of RPG itch-scratching titles there (Black Book, Griftlands)
Ufo 50 party house
Its slay the spire then everything else
My personal list (I've omitted games I don't own):
*Absolutely LOVE (100+ Hours)*
Slay the Spire
Balatro
*Fantastic (20+ Hours)*
Cobalt Core
Fights In Tight Spaces
Wildfrost
Monster Train
*Pretty Good*
Death Roads Tournament
Hadean Tactics
*Not So Great*
Voice of Card The Beasts of Burden
*Need to Play More to Form Proper Opinion*
Griftlands
Inscryption
Marvel Midnight Suns
*Own, haven't played*
Across the Obelisk
Black Book
Roguebook
Vault of the Void
I added Wildfrost and Fights in Tight Spaces as I believe they belong here, and I love them both (looking forward to Knights in Tight Spaces). I didn't dislike Beasts of Burden as much as you did but I got about 10 hours in and I'm unlikely to ever pick it up again, admittedly, and agree with most of your criticisms, I am quite surprised such a low quality title was made from Square Enix, no less one which has 2 others in a series.
I'm terrible for "collecting" games from Steam sales and not playing them, I have to really be in the mood to play something new.
I forgot Fight in Tight Spaces but I was already 75% done with the video when I said "Well crap... I forgot about this one".
You should give Library of Ruina a try.
Its an amazing deck builder game with a great art, story and music.
I've seen it recommended many times, but there are a few things that are HUGE red flags. It looks like it's going to be heavily anime-influenced and I've had terrible experiences with that.
@@YeOldEntertainment It is quite literally the best piece of story-driven narrative you'll ever experience.
Excellent list and commentaries , thank you! I will have many hours of card fun ahead of me !
Enjoy!
Why no Thronebreaker in this list? You didn't play it or not enough card battler?
Like I said, I left out Gwent in any of its presentations because TCGs are their own thing. Of course I've played it! many times over. It's on my video: Top 10 games from the 2010s.
Vault of the Void looks like it basically ripped off Hearthstone’s UI.
Haven't played it.
oh boy I love Ranking deck builder card battler video games that I've played recently with Tier maker
May be take a look at Banners of Ruin too.
Many thanks. I'm new to StS (I never thought of myself as a rogue like or dungeon crawler) although I have a few 'deck builders' in Steam. I'm going to go with your favourite because it does look quite nice. Good vid, cheers.
Slay the Spire is godly and one of the best games I've ever played. Enjoy the ride!
Monster train is an excellent game also. Introduced me to roguelike deckbuilders
This was good. Can you do dice-builder battlers next? (i.e. 6-sided oracle, spellrogue, etc)
I'm afraid I haven't played many of those.
Where's Banners of Ruin? I've spent too many hours on that game to not have it included in this tier list haha
I was trying to remember the name of that. It's pretty good.
I think I am mostly going with the 'story-tier' (FILTHY CASUAL)
Hehe. There are some pretty good options in that sub-category!
Not sure if it counts as a card battler but crono ark is very fun.
Steam always recommends that one to me. But the visuals are serious red flags.
getting Rogue Femme right away
XD
For some of the parts you didn't censor from Rogue Femme, I wonder what the stuff you DID censor look like.
It was an eye-sight problem. I watched the video "full screen" later on (you see it through a tinier window when you are editing) and realized that I had left some clams uncensored. I thought they had bikinis or something. So yes... I guess I censored bewbs but showed the clams... very only fans of me, I know. Looks like yt doesn't mind as they've not taken down the video, I hope they don't find out XD.
@@YeOldEntertainment Haha I did think it would be something like that, especially as the l3wdz mainly came from the right hand side of the screen.
I've got a few of these. Death Roads is cool enough. I think you missed Fights in Tight Spaces.
That is the one I mentioned to some another commenter. That one and Necroking. But the video was already almost finished by the time I realized.
@@YeOldEntertainment Right on. Fights is my personal favorite.
interesting that you put Beneath Oresa so high as a lot of people don't like that one. I'll wishlist and check it at some point
Before I bought the game I did I always do: I filtered by negative comments to see the type of gripes that people were having. When I saw that 90% percent of them were:
A) Game's is too difficult
B) Is unbalanced
C) It has nothing other than combat.
I immediately knew that the game was not for these people (or these people weren't the right audience for the game, however you want to put it) but it was probably going to be for me. Then I played the game and it turned out I was totally right, because the game's a blast to play.
The remaining 10% of negative reviews stated that it was lacking some tooltips and info. Those were partially right.
It's worth a play just for production alone.
I did find it to have some balance issues. Some characters are far easier to win with than others.
Nice!
Enjoy!
My problem with Slay the Spire and similar games is that I cannot build the decks I want to. After I am done experimenting, I like playing around with different concepts. But more than 90% of the time I do not manage to make the deck I want in StS. That is why I like Tainted Grail, because there I can actually build the decks I want to play with, instead of pray for random chance to give me the handful of cards I actually need.
The thing is that you are trying to build the deck you want. That's not the way to go in these games. For example if you play the Ironclad... there are three or four overarching strategies and you have to go for the one that you get the cards for. These games are about dynamically building your strategy with what you're given. But there are several games on this list that give you full control over your deck:
Vault of the Void (this one is the best for this)
Black Book
Marvel Midnight Suns (not exactly a Card battler but in the neighborhood)
Ash of Gods -The Way (not exactly a Card battler but in the neighborhood)
Maybe give those a shot, especially Vault of the Void.
you gotta embrace the randomness with these games. use what the game gives you
@@sginrummy88 I will stress on saying "When I am done experimenting" which means that when I am done trying all different things in the game, I want to play some specific deck and try out different tactics with it, but the game does not facilitate it in absolutely any way. As an example, I completed Slay the Spire with all of the classes with a few different strategies on each. Then I wanted to play a deck with poisons. I need about 5 cards to make the deck work. I had three different runs, each lasting over an hour and I did not get the 5 goddamn cards even once. I wasted 3 hours playing a game where I had 0 control over getting 5 specific cards, so I can try out a deck I like, after I was done playing with "whatever the game throws at me". This is why I do not like such systems. They waste a ton of time, without absolutely any chance to actually try out fun things I have found work for me.
3:43 thats me,i dont give a shi about stories,those are boring,i like games whose main focus is the actual gameplay itself,not the meaningless boring stories
That's why I made the distinction. Some other people like there to be a story. Some other people are o.k. with either type of CB.