Okay so a second post from me. The other thing you guys are overlooking is the removal of the best player in college from the team and how that player demanded a lot of attention from the other team. Some teams just focused 90% of their defense to stop Zach and thus Fletch and others got near wide open looks. Teams dared Purdue to beat them from the outside and it turned out that Purdue was good enough to do that until the last game of the year. So I would say the ceiling for a lot of these guys is actually the same as last year and that may not be a bad thing.
I don't think these guys understand Painter. He recruited TKR to be a four. He has said that and so has TKR. TKR is not out of position at the 4. He will be the 4 next year. Next year 2 more 7'2" + 5s will fight for a starting 5 role. I believe Berg will end up there because he has 2 years learning the O and D and had lots of time learning by playing against Edey. I believe that frees up Jacobsen to learn and get his body into College condition as a RS. Then the following year there could very well be a Zach Edey/Trevion Williams type split at the 5.
I think we might see Jacobsen split time this year and he, TKR, Berg, and Furst all have minutes at the 5 but TKR and Heidi split the 4 too. We have so many moving parts and possible lineups it's crazy! Fletcher has put on some muscle too so there's an improvement as well!
Berg has not shown any signs of being anything but a backup to fill minutes. He reminds me of a taller Travis Carroll, good shot between 7-10 feet away but clunky hands and less than ideal footwork. I don’t think painter expected Jacobsen to look as good as he does before he’s even stepped onto campus. If Jacobsen can start putting on some weight this summer it’s very likely that it’s TKR at the 5 for 20mpg and Jacobsen at the 5 for 20mpg. And then TKR sprinkled into the 4 spot 8-10mpg. That’s like a best case from Jacobsen and TKR. TKR has shown he’s better at the 5 than at the 4, which is also why he bulked up a 😢ton from his redshirt to RS freshman year. He does look a whole lot thinner now than he did 1.5 years ago so maybe you’re right and the goal is basically TKR and Jacobsen both going for 25-30mpg. I just don’t see a world where berg is getting more than 6-8 mpg.
Smith will definitely score more but I think his rebounding this year was excellent because he had guys like edey/gillis boxing out and he just had to have the fire in him to go grab the ball. The fire is still going to be in him but opponents aren’t going to have to worry about Edey/gillis and thus I think 2-3 rebounds per game become a lot more difficult to snag. 16-5-5 is my expectation for him this year. I think the ball will be in his hands a little less as the team needs to be a lot more mobile in the half court so a few less opportunities for assists. Either way it’s not insane to think he is going to be one of the top 2-4 guys who have a chance at bigten player of the year if he stays healthy and takes the next jump in his game which is scoring more often.
I’m admittedly an Illinois homer, but how was Jacobsen better than Morez in the FIBA tourney? Morez averaged more points and rebounds in less minutes and the two averaged the same amount of assists and stocks (Morez more steals, Jacobsen more blocks).
Swanigan leaves & we were going to suck; we were going to suck after ‘19; we’ve heard that bullshit year after year while hearing that “X” year is going to be IU’s or Illinois’ year. Maybe IU’s $7.5 million team will get it done this year.
Do NOT sleep on Cox. He is a fucking killer. 2 inches shorter version of Gicarri with a better scoring upside IMO. He’s a beast. Also watch out for Benter. Benter is 10x better than Fletch. Benter not gonna contribute this year but - when he does - he’s gonna shoot the fucking lights out and be a double double threat with assists. Dude can handle, pass the fuck out of the ball and can shoot it from anywhere on the floor and create his own shot. 6’5 and while he looks slow he’s really athletic and can play both with and without the ball in his hands. He’s a BEAST. Idk much about Burgess. Don’t know what to think about him.
I agree about Benter. If he gets a chance to crack the lineup Painter won't be able to justify not playing him. All those wild drives that end up nowhere for Loyer are dunks for Benter, and he's not even shaving yet! He's future all Big 18. A real diamond in the rough.
Purdue is mainly going to be balanced next year, they are going to exploit match ups. Who has big games is going to change depending on the match ups. Smith though may get 3 triple double games if Painter lets it happen.
You will never have to double Jacobson....ever, he was barely holding post position and most of his shots were going away from the basket, im starting to think he's Gregs nephew in real life the gasing is insane.
@@mikeb1039I watched every U18 game and he was having a time holding his post up position against lesser talent he's not bullying many guys down low year one.
@@KevoUptownChicago So who cares about year 1? This aint iu, we in it for the long term. Furst and TKR are your meat up front. Heide and Berg to help. If the frosh can spot play a few minutes, great. Nobodies counting on him to be Zach Jr.
Freshman year Edey was not good. His ability to just catch the ball was the worst. Sophomore year was a jump but Jacobson is better than Edey was in Freshman and Sophomore year due to the amount of time Jacobson has played basketball compared to when Edey started playing competitive basketball.
I just dont understand how people dont realize how easy Edey made life for Smith and Loyer. Lets see how they handle being the focus, i believe Smith numbers may dip. Also since yall believe in Purdue so much yall have to make some wild giesses i get it.
I like Smith but you are 100%. He reminds of John Stockton and how good would John have been if he didn't have Carl Malone? Yes good but as good? I think his numbers will drop for sure. However a best case scenario for Purdue as I see it is this. Their new 7 foot 3 dude is way better than expected. He comes in and he can shoot the 3 good enough. He then starts at the 4 position. TKR starts at center. That or somehow Furst develops an outside shot and can then slot in to the 4 position and he and TKR both greatly improve. In short every player on Purdue will need to improve quite a bit for Smiths numbers to stay the same as I see it. Again I am not saying Smith is bad at all, but just how good Edy was, and how good he could make certain point guards look.
@@SteveMichaelI don't expect much from Jacobson, it's extra hard for big men to be that thin and be productive year one they seem to foul a bunch he needs a college year in the weight room. If he's the starting center I don't think Purdue is having the season most expect. it has to be TKR at the 5, Jacobson will be good when it's all over but not this year.
Guys get better as they mature. Smith and Loyer will be upperclassmen now and should be ready for more responsibility. Smiths numbers will be way up. And iu fans will be way down. ;)
These stats you expect Braden Smith to average are ridiculous. The only reason his stats were good last season is Edey drawing double teams every possession left things wide open. Berg or Jacobsen might be decent but they aren't going to draw doubles like Edey
Gotta remember this was a "best case" exercise so neither of them believes Braden will average those numbers. They are basically saying if everything goes right, this is the best possible result. Most likely reality is much, much more conservative than what they are saying for Braden and all the others in this discussion.
Fletch needs to look stronger? that is "feminine feeling" comment. Fletch has a bigger pair than most and he's got sneaky fast wheels. He makes very few turnovers and I want that guy on the FT line over anyone and inbounding the ball. please show a Clip where he got totally muscled out of a situation. oh... and he can shoot the 3... that was the missing link for Purdue.
I’m seeing more a better version of Steven Crowl. Jacobsen will work inside and out, while Edey was purely in the paint. I don’t mean this as an insult at all, I truly mean a BETTER version of Crowl
@@AngryBoilerFan agreed on his defensive potential. Maybe Kaminsky with more blocks is a better comparison. I don’t mean to only pull Wisconsin bigs, they just always have a 7 footer who shoots 3s. Jacobsen seems too skilled to be locked to the paint
Lol… right. Did you see him defend some of the best players in the Big Ten down the stretch last season? Held Tyson Walker to 5-15 from the floor for 14pts. Held TSJ to 3-13 from the floor for 11 points. On back to back games. He’s a bit undersized but there is no guard in the Big Ten this season I think gives him matchup problems.
@@KevoUptownChicago Edey wasn’t the primary defender on TSJ. Braden was. That’s a fact. Edey certainly is a rim protector in the paint but Braden did a very good job keeping him from being able to get going. But as usual Edey was “just big” until Edey is gone and then once he’s gone every opposing fanbase will admit how great he was to be able to attempt to discredit current Purdue players.
Purdue is super overrated going into next year. Maybe not even top 25 imo. Very mid starting lineup. Smith is good but I want to see what he can do without Edey making his life very easy. Loyer is not that good, Colvin and Heide need to make ginormous jumps which might not happen, TKR is solid but the 5 is not his position. This lineup is also crazy small. Then their bench consists of literally all freshman and Furst (he's really bad). I guess Berg too but I don't see anyone having any faith in him anyway. I won't sleep on Paint but on paper this is really bad.
With a little luck Purdue can keep up with the rest of the big ten teams .... chief edey & his tribe of refs are gone ..... yeah the refs probably to dumb to realize they lost their chief .... but nobody there that takes up the whole lane & can dunk tippy toe ........ purdue is gonna have to play real ball to this season .... braden smith AINT GOT IT ...... yeah there will 2 guys who score a good average with the minutes they get . what purdue had that no other team had last season was the refs putting edey on the free throw line & putting the other team on the bench ......... gone , gone , gone .....also bullcrap !!!
@@floydbontrager2036 Yeah those purdue 1st round draft guys are gonna do more than just show face ....... Maybe have santa cluase fly in to have another mascot .... that would really excite the refs
Awful job by Painter letting Catchings go. Painter should have assured him that he would be a starter. I know our fans love white players, but the fact remains that Heidi’s ceiling is mediocre. They had NBA talent in that 4 spot and now he’s gone. Painter got lucky with Edey, so I would expect a long stretch of sucking. Enough of the loyalty to unathletic white boys.
Best case for Furst is he’s Buddy the Elf again at Christmas time
base case
Naw, best case is he runs and dunks all over iu.
That’s funny…
😂
I feel like people are really sleeping on Berg. I can see him grabbing some minutes and being a very productive player.
I probably am, but I have no data on him
Okay so a second post from me. The other thing you guys are overlooking is the removal of the best player in college from the team and how that player demanded a lot of attention from the other team. Some teams just focused 90% of their defense to stop Zach and thus Fletch and others got near wide open looks. Teams dared Purdue to beat them from the outside and it turned out that Purdue was good enough to do that until the last game of the year. So I would say the ceiling for a lot of these guys is actually the same as last year and that may not be a bad thing.
No Waddell best case comments? Put some respect on the name!! Ps - Burgess looks more ready than I expected! Great fit at the 4!
I don't think these guys understand Painter. He recruited TKR to be a four. He has said that and so has TKR. TKR is not out of position at the 4. He will be the 4 next year. Next year 2 more 7'2" + 5s will fight for a starting 5 role. I believe Berg will end up there because he has 2 years learning the O and D and had lots of time learning by playing against Edey. I believe that frees up Jacobsen to learn and get his body into College condition as a RS. Then the following year there could very well be a Zach Edey/Trevion Williams type split at the 5.
I think we might see Jacobsen split time this year and he, TKR, Berg, and Furst all have minutes at the 5 but TKR and Heidi split the 4 too. We have so many moving parts and possible lineups it's crazy! Fletcher has put on some muscle too so there's an improvement as well!
Berg has not shown any signs of being anything but a backup to fill minutes. He reminds me of a taller Travis Carroll, good shot between 7-10 feet away but clunky hands and less than ideal footwork.
I don’t think painter expected Jacobsen to look as good as he does before he’s even stepped onto campus. If Jacobsen can start putting on some weight this summer it’s very likely that it’s TKR at the 5 for 20mpg and Jacobsen at the 5 for 20mpg. And then TKR sprinkled into the 4 spot 8-10mpg. That’s like a best case from Jacobsen and TKR. TKR has shown he’s better at the 5 than at the 4, which is also why he bulked up a 😢ton from his redshirt to RS freshman year. He does look a whole lot thinner now than he did 1.5 years ago so maybe you’re right and the goal is basically TKR and Jacobsen both going for 25-30mpg. I just don’t see a world where berg is getting more than 6-8 mpg.
I agree braden will be great but I don't think he averages more than 15 a game. I'm really hoping Colvin takes a leap this year
Smith will definitely score more but I think his rebounding this year was excellent because he had guys like edey/gillis boxing out and he just had to have the fire in him to go grab the ball. The fire is still going to be in him but opponents aren’t going to have to worry about Edey/gillis and thus I think 2-3 rebounds per game become a lot more difficult to snag. 16-5-5 is my expectation for him this year. I think the ball will be in his hands a little less as the team needs to be a lot more mobile in the half court so a few less opportunities for assists. Either way it’s not insane to think he is going to be one of the top 2-4 guys who have a chance at bigten player of the year if he stays healthy and takes the next jump in his game which is scoring more often.
I truly believe yall are NOT Michigan & Michigan St. Fans. 😂
They are the biggest Purdue glazer's of all time especially Greg lol
Cart sleeps on Gicarri so much. That dude is a dawg.
The jacobsen hype is kinda crazy tho I agree with Cart there.
I’m admittedly an Illinois homer, but how was Jacobsen better than Morez in the FIBA tourney? Morez averaged more points and rebounds in less minutes and the two averaged the same amount of assists and stocks (Morez more steals, Jacobsen more blocks).
Boiler Up!
Purdue will likely play BYU in November in San Diego
beat
Swanigan leaves & we were going to suck; we were going to suck after ‘19; we’ve heard that bullshit year after year while hearing that “X” year is going to be IU’s or Illinois’ year. Maybe IU’s $7.5 million team will get it done this year.
Purdue back in the sweet sixteen is a guarantee 🔒 after that who tf knows
Do NOT sleep on Cox. He is a fucking killer. 2 inches shorter version of Gicarri with a better scoring upside IMO. He’s a beast. Also watch out for Benter. Benter is 10x better than Fletch. Benter not gonna contribute this year but - when he does - he’s gonna shoot the fucking lights out and be a double double threat with assists. Dude can handle, pass the fuck out of the ball and can shoot it from anywhere on the floor and create his own shot. 6’5 and while he looks slow he’s really athletic and can play both with and without the ball in his hands. He’s a BEAST. Idk much about Burgess. Don’t know what to think about him.
I agree about Benter. If he gets a chance to crack the lineup Painter won't be able to justify not playing him. All those wild drives that end up nowhere for Loyer are dunks for Benter, and he's not even shaving yet! He's future all Big 18. A real diamond in the rough.
@@dennisdezarn5895 for sure
Come on, this is a family show.
Purdue is mainly going to be balanced next year, they are going to exploit match ups. Who has big games is going to change depending on the match ups. Smith though may get 3 triple double games if Painter lets it happen.
So best case scenario is Purdue going to score a 100 points a game, based off your analysis.
It is a best case scenario for a reason, its not what there predicting
only against iu.
You will never have to double Jacobson....ever, he was barely holding post position and most of his shots were going away from the basket, im starting to think he's Gregs nephew in real life the gasing is insane.
How the F could anyone in the world possibly know that? LOL
He shows a nice touch. I think you're dreaming.
@@mikeb1039I watched every U18 game and he was having a time holding his post up position against lesser talent he's not bullying many guys down low year one.
@@KevoUptownChicago So who cares about year 1? This aint iu, we in it for the long term. Furst and TKR are your meat up front. Heide and Berg to help. If the frosh can spot play a few minutes, great. Nobodies counting on him to be Zach Jr.
Smith NPOY best case 😂 there is no Edey by his side anymore. Edey is a PGs dream
Colvin is 6’5-6’6
Freshman year Edey was not good. His ability to just catch the ball was the worst. Sophomore year was a jump but Jacobson is better than Edey was in Freshman and Sophomore year due to the amount of time Jacobson has played basketball compared to when Edey started playing competitive basketball.
I just dont understand how people dont realize how easy Edey made life for Smith and Loyer. Lets see how they handle being the focus, i believe Smith numbers may dip. Also since yall believe in Purdue so much yall have to make some wild giesses i get it.
I like Smith but you are 100%. He reminds of John Stockton and how good would John have been if he didn't have Carl Malone? Yes good but as good? I think his numbers will drop for sure. However a best case scenario for Purdue as I see it is this. Their new 7 foot 3 dude is way better than expected. He comes in and he can shoot the 3 good enough. He then starts at the 4 position. TKR starts at center. That or somehow Furst develops an outside shot and can then slot in to the 4 position and he and TKR both greatly improve. In short every player on Purdue will need to improve quite a bit for Smiths numbers to stay the same as I see it. Again I am not saying Smith is bad at all, but just how good Edy was, and how good he could make certain point guards look.
@@SteveMichaelI don't expect much from Jacobson, it's extra hard for big men to be that thin and be productive year one they seem to foul a bunch he needs a college year in the weight room. If he's the starting center I don't think Purdue is having the season most expect. it has to be TKR at the 5, Jacobson will be good when it's all over but not this year.
silly man
Guys get better as they mature. Smith and Loyer will be upperclassmen now and should be ready for more responsibility. Smiths numbers will be way up. And iu fans will be way down. ;)
@@BoilerBall3094 they gotta have a dream too.
These stats you expect Braden Smith to average are ridiculous. The only reason his stats were good last season is Edey drawing double teams every possession left things wide open. Berg or Jacobsen might be decent but they aren't going to draw doubles like Edey
Peeda, do you have a job?
Shut ya mouth 😂 you ain’t know nothing bud
Gotta remember this was a "best case" exercise so neither of them believes Braden will average those numbers. They are basically saying if everything goes right, this is the best possible result. Most likely reality is much, much more conservative than what they are saying for Braden and all the others in this discussion.
Comical
Fletch needs to look stronger? that is "feminine feeling" comment. Fletch has a bigger pair than most and he's got sneaky fast wheels. He makes very few turnovers and I want that guy on the FT line over anyone and inbounding the ball. please show a Clip where he got totally muscled out of a situation. oh... and he can shoot the 3... that was the missing link for Purdue.
Will Berg erasure
Jacobsen will be the next Edey
I’m seeing more a better version of Steven Crowl. Jacobsen will work inside and out, while Edey was purely in the paint. I don’t mean this as an insult at all, I truly mean a BETTER version of Crowl
@@justinvansyckle8487I get that. Could be a similar offensive game but he’s gonna be a 10x better defensive player than Crowl is
@@AngryBoilerFan agreed on his defensive potential. Maybe Kaminsky with more blocks is a better comparison. I don’t mean to only pull Wisconsin bigs, they just always have a 7 footer who shoots 3s. Jacobsen seems too skilled to be locked to the paint
Lol. Braden Smith can’t guard his position so he can’t be the best player in the big ten
Lol… right. Did you see him defend some of the best players in the Big Ten down the stretch last season? Held Tyson Walker to 5-15 from the floor for 14pts. Held TSJ to 3-13 from the floor for 11 points. On back to back games. He’s a bit undersized but there is no guard in the Big Ten this season I think gives him matchup problems.
@@ryangarwood6376🤣🤣 he didn't hold Shannon to them stats TSJ couldnt score thru Edey. Knock it off.
@@KevoUptownChicago Edey wasn’t the primary defender on TSJ. Braden was. That’s a fact. Edey certainly is a rim protector in the paint but Braden did a very good job keeping him from being able to get going. But as usual Edey was “just big” until Edey is gone and then once he’s gone every opposing fanbase will admit how great he was to be able to attempt to discredit current Purdue players.
@@KevoUptownChicago those stats
@@ryangarwood6376I am a Purdue fan. Smith was hid on defense. Those are the facts
TKR is not him. What universe do you live in
Purdue is super overrated going into next year. Maybe not even top 25 imo. Very mid starting lineup. Smith is good but I want to see what he can do without Edey making his life very easy. Loyer is not that good, Colvin and Heide need to make ginormous jumps which might not happen, TKR is solid but the 5 is not his position. This lineup is also crazy small. Then their bench consists of literally all freshman and Furst (he's really bad). I guess Berg too but I don't see anyone having any faith in him anyway. I won't sleep on Paint but on paper this is really bad.
With a little luck Purdue can keep up with the rest of the big ten teams .... chief edey & his tribe of refs are gone ..... yeah the refs probably to dumb to realize they lost their chief .... but nobody there that takes up the whole lane & can dunk tippy toe ........ purdue is gonna have to play real ball to this season .... braden smith AINT GOT IT ...... yeah there will 2 guys who score a good average with the minutes they get . what purdue had that no other team had last season was the refs putting edey on the free throw line & putting the other team on the bench ......... gone , gone , gone .....also bullcrap !!!
Sour grapes! .ust be an IU fan!
@@floydbontrager2036 Yeah those purdue 1st round draft guys are gonna do more than just show face ....... Maybe have santa cluase fly in to have another mascot .... that would really excite the refs
Awful job by Painter letting Catchings go. Painter should have assured him that he would be a starter. I know our fans love white players, but the fact remains that Heidi’s ceiling is mediocre. They had NBA talent in that 4 spot and now he’s gone. Painter got lucky with Edey, so I would expect a long stretch of sucking. Enough of the loyalty to unathletic white boys.
LOL. National Champs? Best case scenario is Purdue makes the tournament and isnt a first round loser to a double digit seed AGAIN
Fletcher is ass. He cannot be blind to my hate. Myles + Cam + Gicarri + Cox + Benter all better
Is these dudes on meth??? 😂😂😂 purdue will never win a championship in yalls lifetime 😂😂😂😂😂
No there is no world for that to happen.
If Bradean Smith is the best player in the BIG10 then the league is not going to be very good.