2021 BMW GSA Update | BMW Fix the self cancelling indicators!
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- Опубликовано: 13 ноя 2021
- Toby's new bike has now done 2300 miles! So what does he think about it and what are the things that he hates about it?
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I totally agree with your comments on the indicator brightness when braking…. A good observation.
Totally agree with your points on indicator issues. I’ve also noticed a number of recent cars also have this issue with ‘stylish’ rather than practical indicators that are close to useless. Like you pointed out, a greater issue on the moto highlighting the absolute need to use those mirrors. Love your work, stay safe from Tasmania. 🏍🐧👍🇦🇺
Great update.
I've wondered how these issues aren't found before things go to market.
Surely, bmw could turn off the brake light when the indicators are working.
I use the connected app and think it’s great. Never had any issues. It’s found me some great roads I wouldn’t have otherwise found.
Totally agree with you Toby re indicators, same issue on my 2019 Exclusive, always resetting the indicator. The issue re the indicators is a bit concerning though. My favourite tyres on a GSA are Conti Trail Attack 3s, great grip and handling and they have a great life span. The app works now but I prefer using Google maps on my iPhone, I have a cheap mount that fits in the BMW cradle.
BMW should be able to change the settings for the indicator delay.
I changed my tyres after 4000 miles to Road pilot Trial.
Great video as always 👍
I agree about the indicators failings so I swapped mine for the Weiser Technik units, it took a few hours but well worth the change, brighter all round and less confusion for drivers at junctions.
I bought your bike, 👍 you looked after it very well. Enjoying it immensely.
Awesome buddy. Was a fab bike indeed :) ride safe
I'm sooooooooooo glad you addressed this issue with the indicators - I thought I was being really picky but it is dangerous I think. I believe you can ask BMW to completely remove the function so they are only changeable manually (so remove the 'auto' feature) and I'm going to do that hopefully later today as it's driving me nuts. Nice bike by the way - I only have a little C400GT. Ride safe my friend 🙂
I have connected some Denali T3 light either side of my number plate
connected to my indicator much more visible
My 2014 GS has the indicators that self cancel after 300m, that's WAY too long after a turn to have the indicator turn off.
And I'm on the second screen on my Navigator VI after the first one started ghosting. Very easy to replace.
Totally agree about the auto cancel feature. The next time time by bike goes in to the dealership Ill have them remove the auto cancel. Overall Im well pleased with my 2021 GSA, a great machine. Shame the front shock leaked from new (End of August). Still waiting for a replacement to be delivered :( (due end of Nopvember).
Hi, I wondered if the handle bar risers you had on last bike are available, I have a 2019 1250Gs exclusive lowered chassis model and want to improve the riding position for me
I did had problems to start but the app works really well now and it shows on screen while playing music. The app is ok.
I agree I love my 2019 GS1250 and had the same problem with the indicators but got the dealership to change the settings. I also had the same problem with my old satnav and ended up contacting Garmin who said they know about the problem and in some cases, it's due to water seepage around the seal and over a period of time this breaks down. They sent me a new updated version in the end. Are they bringing out a new satnav? The connected app is rubbish, I gave up on it after the first year of having the bike. Tyres - Yes had two sets of the A41's with no problems although I did go through two fronts for every one rear, but for a change this time I got Road Pilot Trials and they are excellent.
Would they be Road 5s?
Nice bike Toby 😀
Ahh, you would know Mr Jeremy. Ride safe as you always do. Ps, welcome to the dark side….
Same thing on my ktm 1090, I want to indicate sooner coming up to a roundabout but I’m mindful that if I do it might bloody cancel itself while I’m mid manoeuvre 🙄 it’s dangerous in my opinion, I don’t know if there’s anyway to extend the time it’s indicating 🤔at the moment it seems to be 10 seconds which isn’t long enough ☹️
Great video, I was also told by my mate who followed me that the brake light overpowers the indicator on my '21 GS. As a result I have put on a set of rear Denali T3s and a Cansmart/EZ can. The indicators really show up now! Bad design by BMW though. Also agree about the self cancelling so will follow the comments with interest.
I’ve done exactly the same with the rear T3’s and Ezcan.
Added a couple of front T3’s too which are also superb.
@@string2307 that’s my next plan having seen how well the t3s work.
Mate, I read in the owners manual. You can have a dealer change the setup of your indicators to go for longer. Let us know how it goes. Love the channel!
You can change it yourself in the Settings menu.
@@kerrizor - I must have missed that setting somewhere in the menus because try as I might, I can’t turn the self-cancelling off 😡
@@kerrizor I don't know where you're based but certainly in the UK this option is not available even though it's listed in the settings - the end user cannot change it, it requires a code which is a bit of a swiz to say the least. I have arranged to get mine completely disabled
i've just had my auto counselling indicators completely disabled by BMW so now they only function when I select the indicator to function and I feel so much happier. BMW charged me 30 quid + to change the code.
Can’t offer advice on the indicators, but the USA, Canada, and Mexico markets have square speed limit signs mate (possible more on the other side of the pond). Odd that the app doesn’t use your location to determine the speed limit sign displayed on the TFT though. Cheers!
Great video chaps. Toby, does your husband know you love your bike?
also broken on my 2021 S1000R, wish I could disable this feature.
Not found A41s a prob on my vstrom 1050xt in awfull scottish rain etc could it be bike ...or pressures .. .just a thought...atb guys
Put repeaters on the rear, if the canbus doesn't take umbrage.
Great video again guys. Keep up the good work! I have a 2020 GSA1250 without the red indicators but with the silly self cancelling indicators! A great bike.
In your video you didn't mention the screen extender - what make is it and do they work?
Also are you using the same Quad Lock mount as in video you made specifically on Quad Locks and are you using the vibration mount?
Looking forward to the next video!
Hiya! Toby will let you know screen extender he uses. Yes it’s the same Quad Lock we did a video although Toby doesn’t have the vibration damper fitted but I do and it works brilliantly. Ride safe
thanks for the kind words. The screen extender is a Wunderlich screen extender and works really well. Reduces all the buffeting and I ride mostly with my visor open now :)
Yep using the same Quad lock as in the previous video. Toby doesn't use the vibration mount with his iPhone and hasn't had any issues, although Mark uses the vibration mount on his with his Samsung phone.
@@RiderCamTV Is Toby's GSA1250 sporting a different screen extender in the Garmin Sat Nav review video? I was about to buy a Wunderlich screen extender due to the buffeting I am experiencing on my GSA1250 but will wait for the review or any comments on this "other" screen extender. Cheers,
Totally concur with the brake lights and indicators, I have had several people pulling out on me thinking the indicators on are on and I am turning left, I even asked one guy why he pulled out, said your indicator was on !. These things are programmed by nerds for nerds and I'm not a nerd . BMW think they know better emmm. But I do love my triple black with road 5 s' on some grip 2 up in the wet.
I have the africa twin adventure sports and the 1250 gsa (yep lucky chap) both have the indicators on all the time and I've not had anyone pull out on me thinking the indicators are on. I use one of the bikes everyday and do thousands of miles a year home and abroad. Could it be your road positioning on approach to junctions that are giving people the impression you are turning?
@@dmsridertv I hear what your saying but my road craft is ok, the standard of driving is poor here in N.I. they have either myopia or got their licence in a lucky bag !!
I had my self 🎉cancelling taken off by the dealer on a 2015 RT. Apparently you can extend the time or take it off
On the subject of indicators I developed painful tendinitis on my left hand between my thumb and forefinger. It's because of the whizz wheel or whatever you call it. It means when indicating I have to stretch about another 3/4 of an inch. I've never had that problem on other bikes before.
Same here. I’m really surprised this point isn’t a more popular topic.
Good video. Where did you find the huge reflective high viz stickers on the back of your cases. Also where did you find the rubber mats on the lids of your cases? Thanks!
The stickers were from EBay and the mats were sent to us so we did a video on then. Have a look back a couple of months. Ride safe.
as Mark says, the stickers were a roll on eBaY and then cut to fit
Thanks for the info!
Hey Toby, great channel so keep up the good work. I love my 2021 GS A Rallye too though had similar issues with the indicators; I found myself second guessing if I’d actually out them on so having to make extra effort to keep an eye out on them. I’ll be asking my dealer at the 6K service what can be done. The rear light combo is an issue and I know many who have not bought this variant because of this potential to be rear ended; I’ve not had an issue on my 120 daily commute, though know not will worry some so be greater to have as an option perhaps?🤔
Can you turn off the “comfort” signals in the settings on the Euro bikes?
Not sure. Was suprised it worked on mine
I've noticed on the R1250RT blood bike I ride, put the indicator on for an overtake and they've cancelled way before I have fully completed the manoeuvre, aaaargh 😫
I hate them…. Ours do the same. Ride safe
Great bike !
In fact, got the exact same a couple of months ago ;-)
My son told me the same thing regarding the break lights / indicators after following me with his bike, but only when breaking of course, and in daylight (not so at night).
Decided I would not be a coward anymore and would stop using the breaks ^^
Just have to put the indicators earlier...
Except that they self cancel !
This self cancelling thing : I like it when just changing lane or overtaking. The 5 blinks or X meters is fine.
But, like u say, when exiting a highway, or at a roundabout, or at a traffic light, you keep asking yourself "did I put the turn light on ?" or "hope it holds long enough" (uh, yeah, only talking about turn signal there...).
I understand you really liked the Roadtec 01, but since Mark also really liked the Dunlop Mutant, and the Meridian, could you tell why you would still go to the Roadtec ? (got Michelin Anakee Adventure with the bike, and don't like the feel of them, especially in cold and wet weather)
Thx for all the tips and reviews !
Mark loves the Dunlops but Toby hasn't tried them so he likes the RoadTec's best
Not noticed the indicator issue
I have a 2021 GSA and I asked the dealer to remove all time/distance auto cancelling. I now have complete control. Your dealer should know that this can be done.
That’s great to hear mate. Will try them again :)
I have a 2021 GSA and find the indicator setup dangerous. Rear indicators should remain at the lower light setting as friends that have followed me cannot see the indicators. They definitely need changing and not sure how they passed homologation. Perhaps it was the same person that agreed to Smart Motorways! With regards to the Battlax A41’s, they go off very quickly and found them slippy. They are crap and now use Pirelli’s
Seems the rear brake blinking combination is dangerous. Not every evolution is a good one….
Completely agree on the indicators - absolute pain. I got my dealer to disable the self-cancelling function.
Could a pair of front indicators (non brake light indicators) be retro fitted to the rear. Then maybe a load resister on the unused brake light cable for the canbus. I maybe talking complete bollards.
good idea, will research it with BMW and see what I can do
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Clearly I am in a minority here as I don't have any issues with the self cancelling winkies at all. I have to say that I did learn on a bike that didn't have this feature and out of habit pretty much always cancel my indicators manually. The SC feature is a bit of a safety net. But in general there are things in life that annoy me far more than this. I do however have an issue with the indicator button. It's awful. Just not positive at all. Every time I use it, it feels like it's broken. Compare it to say the Triumph and it's really second class. I find myself having to look down to make sure my indicators are actually on when I press the switch. I'm glad I don't have the fancy lamps though. You're right, they are really poor. I was thinking about a upgrade to those, but you've convinced me otherwise.
Not one but two helmets on the dirty ground.GREAT!
Nice to see you taking care of your gear soo well.
They were both on top of gloves
You need to get out more😉
A quick question if I may. When riding the 1250 what is your ideal rev. range? I was riding a couple of days ago with an "Avanced Rider Instructor", and tried telling me that I ought to be between 6,000 & 8,000. I Never myself ride in that range. I find with my style of riding, between 3,000.and 5,000. It would be great to hear your views. Best regards James (Retired in Spain), Riding 25 to 30 thousand kms a year.
I'm a gs1250 owner and recently did a tour and spent two of the days with an advanced rider. End of the first day he commented when we filled up I had used three litres more fuel than him so next day I deliberately short shifted and kept the revs lower. As well as using less fuel I felt smoother and think I was flowing through corner better so I would say your instructor doesn't understand how much grunt and engine breaking the gs has even at lower revs. Hope you don't mind me giving my opinion.
What is the red zone on your Rev counter? Half it and about 500rpm either side is the ideal rev range. So at 70mph it is probably reading 4000rpm on a 1250gsa? Your ideal rev range would then be between 3500-4500 give or take. Let us know how that feels. You will find that on a bend you are having to ‘power’ around the bend which is great as it gives you more control. Ride safe.
With the 1200 3000rpm minimum was good. The flexibilty of the 1250 2000rpm is good for me.
I change gears between 3,000 to 5,000 rpm. Most of my riding are at lower rpms. It has a lot of torque to pull at any gear. I don't like engine being under stress.
@@glenntoulouse5710 Thank you for your input. Stay Safe & Ride Safe
I find it quite staggering how nobody in the BMW design team didn’t see the problem with the rear indicators being almost invisible when braking, and also not giving the option to disable the ‘self cancelling’ indicators in the settings.......I had a 2019 tiger 800 with ‘self cancelling’ indicators, but they sensibly gave the rider the option of disabling them.
I had a Tiger too and you’re right about having an option to turn off the self-cancelling indicators in the menus.
I would have expected BMW to offer the same option and was surprised when it wasn’t available.
@@string2307 👍
I’m not to concerned about the self cancelling indicators. More worried that they stay lit on the front. Had two drivers pull out on me thinking I’m indicating . Anyone else had this happen? What is the law?
Only had my GSA a week so not had that happen (yet) but have to say it was the first thing I thought of when I saw this setup. Orange light in UK means generally turn signal and I fear many drivers won't differentiate between flashing or steady and certainly won't notice that both indicators are on. Bad feature in my opinion.
The indicators need to be a separate unit.
Anyone checked if this can be manipulated via a gs-911 & software surely all the dealer does.
Luckily i have the 2020 R1250GS 🙂
You gents should have more subs than you do…In the US we have Rectangular speed limit signs.
You don’t need an Optimate, I sometimes leave mine for months ( other bikes) and it always starts. Why buy a new bike and use an Optimate ? They are for classics !!
Better control at slow speed?…. That will be the tyres.
The BMW connected app works well! Don’t be grumpy Toby?
There is a super video on you tube … I’ll edit this later and post a link.
will have to try the connected app again to see if its better that a couple of years ago :)
When i tested an r1200gs lc when they first came out, it became apparent that i couldn't operate the indicator cancel or right turn button because of the thumbwheel....ocean salesman's answer....its not a problem it'll self cancel....no solution to turning right apart from taking my hand off the grip.... so still riding an 07 airhead...well done bmw. Change for changes sake🏍️😠
Yeah, I am still on my 2010 airhead GS. I tried LC too and did not like indicator switch either (old ones with separate switch on each side of handlebar were lot easier to operate). However, that was minor thing to other things I did not like, compared to my airhead so I decided not to upgrade.
The bmw dealer can turn it off by connecting your bike to the computer.. I own a s1000xr and I got rid of this feature immediately!
Auto cancel works for me Toby…. Don’t indicate too early ?
( Ian Biederman told me to indicate at the // (200m/) sign on a dual carriageway for example…….)
Don’t indicate at the 300m mark! Do as the head of BMW rider training suggests !
agreed, although when you have an associate in front of you and your indicating early for them and then notice its cancelled is not great... you should be indicating at the 300m mark, what we were taught on my car course for my job :)
Those indicators are awful - dangerous when braking. I see a lot of German cars have the same ridiculous issue with tiny indicators often located within the brake lights. Hopefully it won’t cost you a collision.
Why does common sense not exist at manufacturers???🤔
It is frustrating
All that money for a non perfect! BMW (Buy More Warranty)😏
Stupid indicator system ! 😉😉