"I like the Dreamcast version a lot better." John Hancock there is no Dreamcast version of The House of the Dead 1, you got it confused with The House of the Dead 2 on the Dreamcast.
As a focused North American collector I wanted to showcase the physical games and ones that we got in the States. The Japanese market is great, but we did not get them over here and many are very hard to find in person.
Great update video! The Saturn video you did a while back with Anna was actually how I discovered Metal Jesus as I had just bought my first Saturn and was searching RUclips for buying guides. I’ve been a fan ever since!
Wow, I really miss Sega. I know they're still around publishing for other consoles, but at the same time, I feel like their output is not as adventurous as when they were doing their own hardware. I really feel like Sega made great games that were light-hearted and fun. I'm probably just getting old but new game stuff is so realistic, so dark, so serious. Sega was more about bright colors, the illusion of speed, and attitude. I just can't help but think of what the world would be like if they had made it through the hard times.
maxadocious I recently played SEGA's Transformers human alliance at the arcade and the graphics are amazing and the in game cutscenes have a very "Dreamcast 2 or 3" kind of vibe with the virtua cop esque looking human protagonists. You really should check it out the next time youre at a dave and busters or something. They might have playthroughs of it on RUclips.
@av rmx yeah, it's such a shame. They produced some of the greatest, cutting edge gaming / console experiences in history (at those times). I mean.. talk about dropping the ball! They had EVERYTHING they could possibly have ever needed for success.. but they just made such terrible business decisions it's absolutely baffling. But nonetheless, I'll always have a deep fondness for the Gensis - Saturn - Dreamcast era that'll never be topped in my book. Again: just what a shame..
They don't need the original source code, it would not be really useful considering today technical standards :) They can do it whenever they want, they just need to make it
Game Rats suggest you to play Winning Post + G1 Jockey + Horse Breaker on PS2, or play the latest late 2017 Winning Post + G1 Jockey on PS4 or Nintendo Switch
That's how it goes. Often the most expensive games for the collector are the WORST games made. Reason is... no one bought them when they were new. Like Spud's Adventure on the GB, Clay FIghters on the NES, or Water World on the VB,.
I share Metal Jesus’s pain. I found a complete copy of Panzer Dragoon Saga at a Goodwill, but they wanted $185. I said wait this is Goodwill, why are you charging so much ? I stormed out.. years later, today to be exact I see this video. Doh! 🤦♂️
I bought Burning Rangers when it was new. One of the selling points was it had a voiced navigator to guide you in the levels. Playing it in Japanese and not knowing that language would ruin that part of the experience.
I'm pretty sure this was at Toys R Us for like $20 when I bought my Saturn. All the games were really cheap, must be when they were getting rid of all their Saturn stuff. I apparently bought the last one they had. They forgot to give me the game pack with it, and when I went back in they looked for a while, and finally found it (Virtua Fighter 2, Virtua Cop 2, and Daytona USA) and said it's the last one they had. I think I went back the next day or something to just buy up all the interesting looking games. I'm pretty sure Burning Rangers was there. I got Magical Knight Rayearth and Albert Odyssey that day. Astal, Clockwork Knight (which was one of the launch titles I think, but they had it there for like ten bucks or something)... forget what else, but I think I got several others. I might be wrong about the prices but I think Rayearth and Albert were really only like $20-30 at the most. I remember looking at Burning Rangers and I think I read about it in EGM or something, but gave it a pass. With my luck, Panzer Dragoon Saga was there too and I just didn't care at the time.
? The saturn was this amazing new thing that had people buzzing when it came out. The people who think that it sucked when it was new are either historical revisionists or people who are making assumptions based off hindsight.
When I got my Saturn and first played Panzer Dragoon Saga my immediate thought was that it would have easily blown up the series in the same way FF7 did if the Saturn had been more popular.
Breaks my heart. I used to own so many super rare Saturn games, especially the Working Designs stuff. Some got stolen, some got sold, but all are missed.
Looking for this really rare SEGA SATURN game called 'Death Cult'. Any help would be appreciated It's one of the puzzles in an ARG ive become involved with ruclips.net/video/2c6wj5BnlDk/видео.html&lc=UgwNvBe_jrnoha4j07t4AaABAg
If I had a Sega Saturn, I would get the Action Replay Plus RAM backup cartridge because the Action Replay Plus is a 3-things-in-1 device: a region lock breaker, a cheat device and a memory card which has tons of save space for all of your Sega Saturn games.
Thank you so much for talking about current prices. I realize that watching this video 5 years from now the prices will be different but I LOVE seeing how things used to be when I watch older videos which I constantly am doing on your channel!
Awesome video. I really need to grab a copy of Albert Odyssey and Magic Knight Rayearth. Like you guys, I thought these games were stupidly expensive 10 years ago but now they are even more so.
MJR about your closing comments, I think it's perfectly okay to do videos regarding the value of games. I spent most of the 90's working in a comic shop and the back issue comic book market was very similar to today's back issue game market. I agree with your point that if you're going to collect something you need to know what the expensive items are going to be. Helps you to be more aware as a collector.
I'm surprised many older comics have gone WAAAAAY down in their value these days considering how popular superheroes are nowadays. I would have figured they would have gone up since people are getting into collecting the comics. Like one of my X-Men comics went from being worth about $40 to like $8 now.
I haven't followed values very much since I got out of comics, I find that surprising too! I think there is a large portion of the movie-going crowd that are new to the mythos and are either unaware or uninterested in their screen hero's comic appearances. When I was selling comics day to day I used to tell our customers to 'buy the character(s) that you like. That way if the value of your comic does not go up it will still be worth something to you.'
I was very lucky and got the final four when they released. Magic Knight Ray Earth, Burning Rangers, Shining Force 3, and Panzer Dragoon Saga. All still complete.
It’s why I collect almost exclusively for the Japanese Saturn! The only games I get on NA Saturn are RPGs or games where there’s a ton of dialogue. Super easy to replace the cases.
Limited Run Games made some exact replica replacement cases for those. they also have a stronger sturdy acrylic version thats a little more pricey, but doesn't break near as easily.
I love horses own 4 of them with my fiancé & live horse racing. This game is the God of horse racing. The game was sooo addicting that I broke the CD about 23 years ago
Now why the hell are people paying over $170 for a CIB copy of Winning Post when most couldn't care less about horse racing? "Oh it's rare." Yeah well so are other games for more obscure systems that don't go for nearly as much. It's yet another example of Western collectors sucking up to the market when really a game like this shouldn't cost anywhere near the current value. Go look on eBay, you can buy the Japanese version right now (EX) for 99 cents. I'm telling you guys, the bubble will eventually burst.
Horse racing is very huge in Japan; I go as far as to say it has a way bigger fan base then America. In Hong Kong at the major tracks like Sha-Tin & Happy Valley it’s a religion where bettors study the form for hours & make educated guesses on who will win the race
I remember playing Magic Knights Reyearth when i was really little, such a great game. I checked the shelf and we still have it! Apparently we also have Panzer Dragoon Saga, Albert Odyssey, and Burning Rangers(still in the wrap). My mom made a pretty good choice going with saturn back in the day i guess O_O
Looking for this really rare SEGA SATURN game called 'Death Cult'. Any help would be appreciated It's one of the puzzles in an ARG ive become involved with ruclips.net/video/2c6wj5BnlDk/видео.html&lc=UgwNvBe_jrnoha4j07t4AaABAg
RetroMoments It's so worth it. I only had N64 growing up, but burning the games and experiencing Panzer Dragoon Saga was almost as important a gaming memory/experience as when I first played Super Mario 64 at a Toys R Us demo station all those years ago.
The Saturn had some amazing games. I have all the games featured in the video except Daytona USA CCE Netlink. I wish I could find a copy for a reasonable price.
I remember when a Netlink and Datyona were cheap but never picked one up cause didn't know anyone else with a Saturn. Would be cool to pick up a couple Netlinks and Daytonas Netlink edition (and another Saturn) to play multi-player, but would be cost prohibitive these days. I think you could do the same w/Virtual On? (netlink edition)
There are five Netlink compatible games in the US Saturn library: Daytona USA CCE Netlink, Virtual-On Netlink, Sega Rally Championship Netlink, Saturn Bomberman, Duke Nukem 3d. The first three are re-releases of existing games with added Netlink support.
I sadly passed on Daytona netlink many years ago for $250. But last year I finally made a trade for one with a girl locally who literally found it at a play n trade for $10. It was nice to cross the last $100+ Saturn title off the list finally
Burning Rangers is the treasure of my Saturn collection, even more so when I got it complete in box, excellent condition with manuals, promotional pamphlet and all of that just for 5 euros.
wales2k I got two more to go for the Saturn, dude. Sega Ages, and Shining Wisdom. My wallet feels your wallet’s pain. My wallet is screaming obscenities at me daily. 🤣
On U.S. Saturn most games that are exclusive and good are pricey at this point. Getting a complete version of Panzer Dragoon 1 and 2 (together) can run you around $150 bucks or more now. Thank god for the Japanese market
If you are getting Japanese Saturn games, better make sure you look up on Disc rot. It would suck if you you'd buy one of the more expensive games and it turns out to be useless due to the disc being bad.
Man I loved my Magic Knight Ray Earth! Sold it nearly 20 years ago for around hundred USD along with my Burning Rangers and Shining Force. I sold my Panzer Dragoon Saga for about 500.
I was collecting for Saturn in the early 00’s, quit for a while and just picked it back up recently and I can’t believe how much prices have shot up on a lot of titles! I’m kicking myself for some sales I made 😳
Ryan 551 I feel your pain.... my ex kindly donated my collection to the local charity shop... a few years later I started to start collecting again but the prices.... wow...
@@stonedzombie.996 no kidding. My friend found a box of complete saturn games at a thrift shop including Virtua Fighter 2 remix longbox for dirt cheap last year
You just made me so happy. I still have a lot of my Saturn games, and still play them! Now I know I got some value with 'em, makes playing that much sweeter!
I have a Saturn since I was a kid. My parents bought me one in highschool back in 96, because I wanted it instead of a PS1 at the time. Most of my friends had a PS1, and whenever they came over to my house we would literally play for entire afternoons, they were amazed at how awesome the games for it were, and how much fun we all had together (the PS1 is obviously a lot of fun too, I love that console as well, as I also collect for it these days), to a point we would have the choice to hook up a PS1, N64 and Saturn on Sunday afternoons, and my poor Saturn was 90% of the time the console hooked up with 5/6 guys playing it, either waiting turns to play a single player game, or together playing MP games. Some of my fondest memories of playing with friends are on the Saturn. Even as a kid I was lucky enough to have quite a big game collection for it, buying quite a few rare games today at launch here in Europe where I live. Sunday afternoon at my parents home meant playing Saturn Bomberman with 2 multi tap adapters (I have one, my friend had another) usually with 7 dudes (and gals!) duking it out for afternoons on end. We even had days where 10 of us were playing that damn game at the same time. It was epic, and I was lucky my parents were cool about the whole thing, my Dad even playing with us sometimes. Epic stuff when you´re a kid. Unlike a lot of my friends, I never sold my Saturn stuff since those days. I still have every single game I ever bought for it, and it was the console that got me into collecting to begin with. I have a humble collection of consoles, only 5 at the moment, but I do have a lot of games for them, but my pride and joy is my Saturn collection. I have ALL 240 games released in this region, and I was lucky to not have spent a fortune on it, since I already own all the "heavy hitters" since I was a kid. Burning Rangers, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Deep Fear (not released in the US, and extremely hard to find on the PAL region), Panzer Dragoon, Panzer Zwei, Die Hard Arcade, Saturn Bomberman, Shining Force 3 and about 70 other games I already had since i was a high school kid and going towards university. How I never sold anything to buy newer consoles is a mistery to me, I could never part with anything Saturn related, felt almost like I was getting rid of part of myself if I did. I´m glad I kept all my stuff, and even happier now that I was able to finish my collection (of PAL releases, Japanese are next) literally 2 weeks ago by tracking down one of the worst Saturn games ever made, The Crow city of angels, to finally own all the games. Felt awesome to be honest. Sorry for the wall of text, and although I am not the biggest console collector out there, not even close, when it comes to the Saturn I know a thing or two, and if you ever need help tracking down a game for it MetalJesus, feel free to ask for my help, or anyone collecting for the console for that matter. Great video as always, and keep it up. I absolutely love the channel.
According to the internet, one of the issues with Panzer Dragoon Saga not being re-released is, the source code for the game was lost. I have Panzer Dragoon Saga hiding in a closet somewhere, with the box and I think most (possibly all) of the material. Heh
The same thing happened to Ultima 7. The loss/destruction of source code is surprisingly common... Just one of many reasons we should support accurate hardware emulation of classic systems.
Junichi Suto has some coding of the game. It's incomplete, however. I believe it's also an early build of Saga's code anyways, so it's unlikely that they'll ever recreate the game with the original coding.
Great video as a Saturn nut here. I luckily have all the games in the video although Daytona netlink took some time to finally track down... I'd say the video did a great job pointing out most but missed a couple. John mentioned mega Man 8 which is in the 250 range cib. Battesport is around $250-300 and I'd consider the 2nd rarest game after Daytona Netlink by shear scarcity. Hercs Adventures and Powerslave have also jumped into that $150-200 range. Even the bad port of Crypt Killer is 150-200 cib. Only thing I'd add as far as opinions go, winning post is an extremely well done and deep sim. Definitely not shovelware. And sadly the house of the dead port was rushed and only 60% complete upon release. It's playable but sadly quite sloppy... The most I paid for any of these was $150 back in 06 for Panzer Dragoon Saga. Just like metal Jesus, at the time I thought the price was kinda ridiculous. But obviously now it was a great deal. I remember also paying $40 for Bomberman in 08 thinking it should be cheaper. It's always funny to look back on stuff like that
Love your vids MJR! I just happened to see on my recommended videos, The Last Gamer's game room tour. Talk about amazing! What's your take on his collection? I was blown away. I think his collection could qualify as the ultimate museum of video gaming history, completely blowing away our National Video Gaming museum here in Texas.
As much as I like the Saturn, it's just too expensive to collect for. The only system that I can think of that's just as, if not more expensive is the TurboGrafx-16.
Just FYI: House of the Dead on Saturn and Dreamcast are different games. Saturn has HotD1 and Dreamcast has HotD2. HotD1 on Saturn is not very good as the Saturn wasn’t great in 3D. It’s polygon count and texture resolution was really poor.
J Kemp Saturn HotD was said to be only 60% complete when it shipped. Tantalus wasn't done yet but Sega told them to wrap it up. That's why the graphics were unfinished. Gameplay is actually 100% intact. Saturn could have done the game justice graphically as it was a Model 2 game and plenty of other Model 2 conversions looked great on Saturn.
Yup this one wasn't the Saturn fault. A proper port could have easily looked as good as Virtua cop 2. Sadly we got a rushed port due to dev teams moving onto Dreamcast. The game is luckily very playable despite the unfinished graphics
I think the Saturn coudn't run Model 2 games very well…. I bought a saturn at launch with daytona usa and it was great but when I played the Model 2 version on pc many years later…. the framerate is 60fps while 25fps on the saturn…. plus the graphic are so much better on the model 2 version…. it's almost night and day.
@@KevenLC Daytona is actually a bad example. It was rushed which is why they released Daytona CCE later on. Better examples would be virtua fighter 2 and virtua cop 2. The best and closest 1:1 polygonal arcade port on the system was die hard arcade imo
@@xDerekRx Indeed, the original Daytona on Saturn was rushed for the Saturn launch. Daytona CCE used the same engine as the Sega Rally port, and looks much better than original Daytona Saturn. Some excellent Model 2-to-Saturn ports include Last Bronx, VF2, Sega Rally, Dead or Alive, Virtual On, Virtua Cop 2, etc. And by excellent ports I mean in terms of a couple thousand dollar arcade board vs. a couple hundred dollar home hardware.
This is pretty fascinating; I have a complete copy of Burning Rangers because my dad's a super star and got the game for me back when I was a teenager and I wanted to see what a bunch of sega saturn games I missed out on were like, he was able to haggle the seller down to half price at around 50 dollars. The sale sticker is still on the front of the casing, it looks like it was priced at 111.99 in May 2008 from this particular seller, I had no idea it'd go up so much in that period of time!
I regret selling my Saturn. I remember after I sold it; they released Panzer Dragoon 2 and PD RPG. I really wanted those two games. Maybe I should buy a Saturn, again.
Radiant Silvergun, a very popular Saturn shooter is really expensive.... and also Shining Force 3 Premium Disc... a bonus disc that came with the Shining Force 3 trilogy... it's not really a game but a database info about the trilogy... is very expensive too.
Always love being on the channel!
"I like the Dreamcast version a lot better."
John Hancock there is no Dreamcast version of The House of the Dead 1, you got it confused with The House of the Dead 2 on the Dreamcast.
Video game collectors and enthusiasts like myself respect the hell out of you man.
I know that and meant to clarify. One of those game series that was done better with more advanced hardware.
As a focused North American collector I wanted to showcase the physical games and ones that we got in the States. The Japanese market is great, but we did not get them over here and many are very hard to find in person.
You are awesome I’m glad someone else out there loves the Genesis.
Video Re-Upload: My previous video accidentally had the wrong footage for Daytona Netlink Edition... sorry for the confusion
Great video man.
MetalJesusRocks we forgive you Jesus since you always forgive us ;)
Will the nudity be added back in for Patreon supporters?
I was concerned at first, but glad it’s reuploaded. This is my favorite video in the expensive series so far.
Game Over Yeeaaaah! 👍
I love the Sega Saturn. Those Capcom 2D fighters are worth it alone.
John just seems like a cool, happy dude
He's a teacher, seems like the perfect job for him. I know I would of loved having him as my teacher, especially on show and tell day.
@Albert Menendez maybe he is?
@@acertainshape why not ?
Of course he is, he grew up on Sega :D
@@acertainshape you sound like a crybaby😂😂
This is why I never really messed with Saturn. Most of the games are too much $$ because they are all so difficult to find.
FINALLY a Saturn video with a mention of Dragon Force! What an outstanding title.
Great update video! The Saturn video you did a while back with Anna was actually how I discovered Metal Jesus as I had just bought my first Saturn and was searching RUclips for buying guides. I’ve been a fan ever since!
Wow, I really miss Sega. I know they're still around publishing for other consoles, but at the same time, I feel like their output is not as adventurous as when they were doing their own hardware. I really feel like Sega made great games that were light-hearted and fun.
I'm probably just getting old but new game stuff is so realistic, so dark, so serious. Sega was more about bright colors, the illusion of speed, and attitude. I just can't help but think of what the world would be like if they had made it through the hard times.
maxadocious I recently played SEGA's Transformers human alliance at the arcade and the graphics are amazing and the in game cutscenes have a very "Dreamcast 2 or 3" kind of vibe with the virtua cop esque looking human protagonists. You really should check it out the next time youre at a dave and busters or something. They might have playthroughs of it on RUclips.
My favorite system of all time which features my two favorite games of all time Shining Force III and Panzer Dragoon Saga.
You have the best taste. Did you also play the other shining force 3 scenarios?
You forgot Dragon Force
It’s a shame that the Panzer Dragoon series source code has been lost. I’d love a port.
Why can't they just emulate Panzer Dragoom Saga and release it that way, like they do with all kinds of games these days??
@av rmx yeah, it's such a shame. They produced some of the greatest, cutting edge gaming / console experiences in history (at those times). I mean.. talk about dropping the ball! They had EVERYTHING they could possibly have ever needed for success.. but they just made such terrible business decisions it's absolutely baffling. But nonetheless, I'll always have a deep fondness for the Gensis - Saturn - Dreamcast era that'll never be topped in my book. Again: just what a shame..
They don't need the original source code, it would not be really useful considering today technical standards :) They can do it whenever they want, they just need to make it
They were sabotaged
The first game has been remade for ps4 and switch.
A horse racing game!? Hold on, let me go grab my wallet.
Game Rats suggest you to play Winning Post + G1 Jockey + Horse Breaker on PS2, or play the latest late 2017 Winning Post + G1 Jockey on PS4 or Nintendo Switch
Don't know any of the games you mentioned but those newer horse racing games are ridiculous
That's how it goes. Often the most expensive games for the collector are the WORST games made. Reason is... no one bought them when they were new. Like Spud's Adventure on the GB, Clay FIghters on the NES, or Water World on the VB,.
horse racing BETTING* game
I love when John is on. He always looks like he just got done eating a lemon. He is my Sega collector goals.
I share Metal Jesus’s pain. I found a complete copy of Panzer Dragoon Saga at a Goodwill, but they wanted $185. I said wait this is Goodwill, why are you charging so much ?
I stormed out.. years later, today to be exact I see this video.
Doh!
🤦♂️
I know this is an old comment but goodwill is required to look up every video games value and sell stuff above $10 online.
@@julshunt64 Goodwill is no longer a hidden gem. Their current prices are sometimes more expensive than eBay.
185.. i would die to pay that nowadays.. now its 1k..
Love John's Snake Plissken shirt!
My favorite shirt.
i need that shirt
Aenashi agreed, good t-shirt 😁
I bought Burning Rangers when it was new. One of the selling points was it had a voiced navigator to guide you in the levels. Playing it in Japanese and not knowing that language would ruin that part of the experience.
gvfc Same here - bought BR the week it came out. Still have it. Great game.
I'm pretty sure this was at Toys R Us for like $20 when I bought my Saturn. All the games were really cheap, must be when they were getting rid of all their Saturn stuff. I apparently bought the last one they had. They forgot to give me the game pack with it, and when I went back in they looked for a while, and finally found it (Virtua Fighter 2, Virtua Cop 2, and Daytona USA) and said it's the last one they had. I think I went back the next day or something to just buy up all the interesting looking games. I'm pretty sure Burning Rangers was there. I got Magical Knight Rayearth and Albert Odyssey that day. Astal, Clockwork Knight (which was one of the launch titles I think, but they had it there for like ten bucks or something)... forget what else, but I think I got several others. I might be wrong about the prices but I think Rayearth and Albert were really only like $20-30 at the most. I remember looking at Burning Rangers and I think I read about it in EGM or something, but gave it a pass. With my luck, Panzer Dragoon Saga was there too and I just didn't care at the time.
The Sega Saturn the console that sucked when it came out. Now everyone is finally seeing just how awesome the Saturn really is.
Now everyone ELSE is seeing how awesome it really was...or is...
Was rocking a Saturn and Tomb raider in the late 90s. I was the ONLY one I swear.
? The saturn was this amazing new thing that had people buzzing when it came out. The people who think that it sucked when it was new are either historical revisionists or people who are making assumptions based off hindsight.
Arnez Willis Dragon Force is a game that deserves legendary status. In my top 3 games of all time.
@Arnez Willis Vampire Savior (Dark Stalkers) is very good and Die Hard Arcade Game is my favorite Saturn game.
I'm so glad I kept all my Saturn games from when I was younger.
When I got my Saturn and first played Panzer Dragoon Saga my immediate thought was that it would have easily blown up the series in the same way FF7 did if the Saturn had been more popular.
Another awesome video, congrats! I’d love to see a Saturn import game edition sometime.
Saturn emulation has come a long way. I was able to beat Panzer Dragoon Saga in its entirety earlier this year.
Man, then I need to play it!
John and that smile! It's glued onto his face i love it!
Breaks my heart. I used to own so many super rare Saturn games, especially the Working Designs stuff. Some got stolen, some got sold, but all are missed.
Looking for this really rare SEGA SATURN game called 'Death Cult'. Any help would be appreciated
It's one of the puzzles in an ARG ive become involved with
ruclips.net/video/2c6wj5BnlDk/видео.html&lc=UgwNvBe_jrnoha4j07t4AaABAg
When these games are on an official Sega Saturn Classic wake me up.
There won't be, most gamers don't even know the Saturn exists.
If I had a Sega Saturn, I would get the Action Replay Plus RAM backup cartridge because the Action Replay Plus is a 3-things-in-1 device: a region lock breaker, a cheat device and a memory card which has tons of save space for all of your Sega Saturn games.
Praise the Lord for Pseudo Saturn
Thank you so much for talking about current prices. I realize that watching this video 5 years from now the prices will be different but I LOVE seeing how things used to be when I watch older videos which I constantly am doing on your channel!
Lunacy is hilarious. I remember you start out locked up in jail with some dude who keeps telling to relax. 😆
I almost choked on my coffee when i seen the price of that Daytona game.
"Boomstick229" that found the rarest Sega Saturn game the Daytona Net-link Edition? She found the rarest game and only paid $10 for it!
@@sierra.taekwondo.8559 I ended up buying her copy of the game last year locally :) Lets just say I paid a ton more than she got it for
I've seen James Buster Douglas Boxing on the sega master system for $1200
I burned that game today, thank god for psudo saturn, eventually ill get a modchip installed so i can use the cartridge port again XD.
Super Console Gamer lol, I wonder if Buster could afford to buy a copy of his own game now. 🤣
I miss Working Designs. :(
Awesome video. I really need to grab a copy of Albert Odyssey and Magic Knight Rayearth. Like you guys, I thought these games were stupidly expensive 10 years ago but now they are even more so.
MJR about your closing comments, I think it's perfectly okay to do videos regarding the value of games. I spent most of the 90's working in a comic shop and the back issue comic book market was very similar to today's back issue game market. I agree with your point that if you're going to collect something you need to know what the expensive items are going to be. Helps you to be more aware as a collector.
I'm surprised many older comics have gone WAAAAAY down in their value these days considering how popular superheroes are nowadays. I would have figured they would have gone up since people are getting into collecting the comics. Like one of my X-Men comics went from being worth about $40 to like $8 now.
I haven't followed values very much since I got out of comics, I find that surprising too! I think there is a large portion of the movie-going crowd that are new to the mythos and are either unaware or uninterested in their screen hero's comic appearances. When I was selling comics day to day I used to tell our customers to 'buy the character(s) that you like. That way if the value of your comic does not go up it will still be worth something to you.'
I was very lucky and got the final four when they released. Magic Knight Ray Earth, Burning Rangers, Shining Force 3, and Panzer Dragoon Saga. All still complete.
I bought Mega Man X4, Guardian Heroes, and Magic Knights Rayearth off a friend in 2000/2001 for 45 dollars. Not a bad investment it would seem!
You owe that friend a free lunch.
I had those games and gave them away. I bought them again years later, except Guardian Heroes. I didn't like that game.
Just got my 6th Sega Saturn game and feelin like a champ collector
The Sega Saturn is a blast to collect for, but just like the Sega CD those cases are so brittle!
It’s why I collect almost exclusively for the Japanese Saturn! The only games I get on NA Saturn are RPGs or games where there’s a ton of dialogue. Super easy to replace the cases.
Limited Run Games made some exact replica replacement cases for those. they also have a stronger sturdy acrylic version thats a little more pricey, but doesn't break near as easily.
Yeah...just look at the PAL Cases and talk about brittle...
Happy to see Albert Odyssey on this list. It's literally one the best RPGs of all time
JTMaster - Do you know if LRG is still selling those new cases? I’d love to get some.
I love horses own 4 of them with my fiancé & live horse racing. This game is the God of horse racing. The game was sooo addicting that I broke the CD about 23 years ago
Now why the hell are people paying over $170 for a CIB copy of Winning Post when most couldn't care less about horse racing? "Oh it's rare." Yeah well so are other games for more obscure systems that don't go for nearly as much. It's yet another example of Western collectors sucking up to the market when really a game like this shouldn't cost anywhere near the current value. Go look on eBay, you can buy the Japanese version right now (EX) for 99 cents. I'm telling you guys, the bubble will eventually burst.
Horse racing is very huge in Japan; I go as far as to say it has a way bigger fan base then America.
In Hong Kong at the major tracks like Sha-Tin & Happy Valley it’s a religion where bettors study the form for hours & make educated guesses on who will win the race
Who are these people who don’t desire to play Winning Post and bet on simulated horse races?
I played from Winning Post 6 which was the first one to include Hong Kong Jockey Club races.
Satanic communist, that's who.
If you really want to up the ante, check out Wallaby! on the PC Engine.... You can bet on simulated marsupial races lol.
I totally would have bought it. I love the arcade game at casinos.
As a kid, I owned Wall Street Kid and Casino Kid 1 and 2. Man..... I loved those games.
i love that i just watched this video! because The Immortal John Hancock now owns the daytona usa net link edition!! this is awesome!
I remember playing Magic Knights Reyearth when i was really little, such a great game. I checked the shelf and we still have it! Apparently we also have Panzer Dragoon Saga, Albert Odyssey, and Burning Rangers(still in the wrap). My mom made a pretty good choice going with saturn back in the day i guess O_O
Looking for this really rare SEGA SATURN game called 'Death Cult'. Any help would be appreciated
It's one of the puzzles in an ARG ive become involved with
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Another really informative Video from you both. Its always fun to see John with His amazing Collectibles.
Best regards from northern Germany
We need a "saturn collection" on current generation systems, already. There are like 20 "genesis collection"s.
oogrooq this. Just. This. Couldn’t afford the system but love SEGA
Totally agree. Just having all 3 Panzers would be more than enough for me. Everything else is a bonus at that point!
If Panzer's anything to go by Sega's done a horrific job at keeping source codes and are too lazy to just use a commercial disk for porting purposes.
@av rmx those are new games
i actually own and love Winning Post, so we do exist lol
I played the 360 Version of Guardian Heroes. Great game!
Sega Saturn is my favorite console to collect for. It has so many great games that people don’t know about. It really is a 2D monster!
Shining force is such a great series.
SHINING FORCE!!! Oh MAN! This series is so underrated, and it's amazing!
One of those few console I never had... but always wanted to try!
RetroMoments It's so worth it. I only had N64 growing up, but burning the games and experiencing Panzer Dragoon Saga was almost as important a gaming memory/experience as when I first played Super Mario 64 at a Toys R Us demo station all those years ago.
Just got mine in the mail yesterday. Love it. Might just import those games.
The Saturn had some amazing games. I have all the games featured in the video except Daytona USA CCE Netlink. I wish I could find a copy for a reasonable price.
I remember when a Netlink and Datyona were cheap but never picked one up cause didn't know anyone else with a Saturn. Would be cool to pick up a couple Netlinks and Daytonas Netlink edition (and another Saturn) to play multi-player, but would be cost prohibitive these days. I think you could do the same w/Virtual On? (netlink edition)
There are five Netlink compatible games in the US Saturn library: Daytona USA CCE Netlink, Virtual-On Netlink, Sega Rally Championship Netlink, Saturn Bomberman, Duke Nukem 3d. The first three are re-releases of existing games with added Netlink support.
I sadly passed on Daytona netlink many years ago for $250. But last year I finally made a trade for one with a girl locally who literally found it at a play n trade for $10. It was nice to cross the last $100+ Saturn title off the list finally
Omg, sell me your copy of PD Saga!! for a reasonable price of course!! ;D
I purchased my Panzer Dragoon Saga brand new the day it came out at my local Babbage's (later GameStop). Sorry, I'm not willing to part with it.
Burning Rangers is the treasure of my Saturn collection, even more so when I got it complete in box, excellent condition with manuals, promotional pamphlet and all of that just for 5 euros.
This video is stupidly awesome
Hahahaha! Awesome comment :)
Omg i had that game(Saturn bomberman) 2 years ago and sold it for 5.00 in a garage sale😲I have the daytona netlink edition though😲
I’m starting a collection of Working Designs games. My wallet doesn’t look so happy.
wales2k I got two more to go for the Saturn, dude. Sega Ages, and Shining Wisdom. My wallet feels your wallet’s pain. My wallet is screaming obscenities at me daily. 🤣
Panzer Dragoon on the Switch announced and coming soon! Hancock you called it!
Yeah, what happened to Anna? We never see her anymore
She has AIIIIIIDDDDSSSSSS
Man, I love that impressionist cover of Winning Post. Nice one on pointing that out John! It's all about the little details!
Metal Jesus jizzed when he said there is disc variations
Hahahaha.... yeah a little bit ;)
Great video once again! And I also now know I need to up my insurance. I never knew Burning Rangers is that rare and expensive.
On U.S. Saturn most games that are exclusive and good are pricey at this point. Getting a complete version of Panzer Dragoon 1 and 2 (together) can run you around $150 bucks or more now. Thank god for the Japanese market
Because the japanese versions of the list are much cheaper. Due to the popularity of the console in Japan of course.
Definitely more than $150 unless you’re very very patient on bids.
If you are getting Japanese Saturn games, better make sure you look up on Disc rot. It would suck if you you'd buy one of the more expensive games and it turns out to be useless due to the disc being bad.
There are still JP Saturn games that are hard to find and expensive. Shinrei Jusatsushi Tarōmaru is the most infamous.
Still have my old Saturn and a small library of now rare games ^^
Great working designs Picks!!! Love All of the games on this list.
Man I loved my Magic Knight Ray Earth! Sold it nearly 20 years ago for around hundred USD along with my Burning Rangers and Shining Force. I sold my Panzer Dragoon Saga for about 500.
John, I have to correct you twice there: The House of the Dead never came to the Dreamcast. Furthermore the Saturn version is a flawed port...
Guardian Heroes! Man we loved playing that game as kids
If I could have any complete set, it would be Saturn. Its a smaller library than say, NES or PS1, but there are so many great games.
There are over a 1000 saturn games.
The Saturn is so easy to soft-mod then burn games on CD and play like you bought the real one. It's the RIGHT thing to do ;)
I was wondering where this video went?!
Dang it. No mention of my Madden Football CIB.
I was collecting for Saturn in the early 00’s, quit for a while and just picked it back up recently and I can’t believe how much prices have shot up on a lot of titles! I’m kicking myself for some sales I made 😳
Ryan 551 I feel your pain.... my ex kindly donated my collection to the local charity shop... a few years later I started to start collecting again but the prices.... wow...
Yeah its not cheap I started collecting for the Saturn back in 2014 but some of the games aren’t cheap and I rarely find Saturn games
@@stonedzombie.996 no kidding. My friend found a box of complete saturn games at a thrift shop including Virtua Fighter 2 remix longbox for dirt cheap last year
I bought Magic Knight Rayearth for the 2nd time in 2001. Paid $50 for it. Thank goodness I still have it. The price now is insane.
J Bird I found a copy of panzer dragoon in cex ( first time I've seen a Saturn game in there ) they wanted £68 for it... I nearly fainted.
Woah I didn't know House of the dead was worth anything, I've had it sitting untouched in a box for about 14 years since my Saturn stopped working.
I need to become rich to get all these games! Also John is always awesome to see on the channel!
The Sega Saturn is my favorite console to play and collect for. This video has been released on my birthday. Coincidence?
Love seeing Hancock on the channel, he's the man!
John has one of the coolest shirts ive ever seen
You just made me so happy. I still have a lot of my Saturn games, and still play them! Now I know I got some value with 'em, makes playing that much sweeter!
I have a Saturn since I was a kid. My parents bought me one in highschool back in 96, because I wanted it instead of a PS1 at the time. Most of my friends had a PS1, and whenever they came over to my house we would literally play for entire afternoons, they were amazed at how awesome the games for it were, and how much fun we all had together (the PS1 is obviously a lot of fun too, I love that console as well, as I also collect for it these days), to a point we would have the choice to hook up a PS1, N64 and Saturn on Sunday afternoons, and my poor Saturn was 90% of the time the console hooked up with 5/6 guys playing it, either waiting turns to play a single player game, or together playing MP games.
Some of my fondest memories of playing with friends are on the Saturn. Even as a kid I was lucky enough to have quite a big game collection for it, buying quite a few rare games today at launch here in Europe where I live. Sunday afternoon at my parents home meant playing Saturn Bomberman with 2 multi tap adapters (I have one, my friend had another) usually with 7 dudes (and gals!) duking it out for afternoons on end. We even had days where 10 of us were playing that damn game at the same time. It was epic, and I was lucky my parents were cool about the whole thing, my Dad even playing with us sometimes. Epic stuff when you´re a kid.
Unlike a lot of my friends, I never sold my Saturn stuff since those days. I still have every single game I ever bought for it, and it was the console that got me into collecting to begin with. I have a humble collection of consoles, only 5 at the moment, but I do have a lot of games for them, but my pride and joy is my Saturn collection. I have ALL 240 games released in this region, and I was lucky to not have spent a fortune on it, since I already own all the "heavy hitters" since I was a kid. Burning Rangers, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Deep Fear (not released in the US, and extremely hard to find on the PAL region), Panzer Dragoon, Panzer Zwei, Die Hard Arcade, Saturn Bomberman, Shining Force 3 and about 70 other games I already had since i was a high school kid and going towards university. How I never sold anything to buy newer consoles is a mistery to me, I could never part with anything Saturn related, felt almost like I was getting rid of part of myself if I did. I´m glad I kept all my stuff, and even happier now that I was able to finish my collection (of PAL releases, Japanese are next) literally 2 weeks ago by tracking down one of the worst Saturn games ever made, The Crow city of angels, to finally own all the games. Felt awesome to be honest.
Sorry for the wall of text, and although I am not the biggest console collector out there, not even close, when it comes to the Saturn I know a thing or two, and if you ever need help tracking down a game for it MetalJesus, feel free to ask for my help, or anyone collecting for the console for that matter.
Great video as always, and keep it up. I absolutely love the channel.
According to the internet, one of the issues with Panzer Dragoon Saga not being re-released is, the source code for the game was lost. I have Panzer Dragoon Saga hiding in a closet somewhere, with the box and I think most (possibly all) of the material. Heh
The same thing happened to Ultima 7. The loss/destruction of source code is surprisingly common... Just one of many reasons we should support accurate hardware emulation of classic systems.
Junichi Suto has some coding of the game. It's incomplete, however. I believe it's also an early build of Saga's code anyways, so it's unlikely that they'll ever recreate the game with the original coding.
If the remake of Panzer Dragoon 1 and 2 sells well I am pretty sure they will start a Saga remake.
Great video as a Saturn nut here. I luckily have all the games in the video although Daytona netlink took some time to finally track down... I'd say the video did a great job pointing out most but missed a couple. John mentioned mega Man 8 which is in the 250 range cib. Battesport is around $250-300 and I'd consider the 2nd rarest game after Daytona Netlink by shear scarcity. Hercs Adventures and Powerslave have also jumped into that $150-200 range. Even the bad port of Crypt Killer is 150-200 cib. Only thing I'd add as far as opinions go, winning post is an extremely well done and deep sim. Definitely not shovelware. And sadly the house of the dead port was rushed and only 60% complete upon release. It's playable but sadly quite sloppy... The most I paid for any of these was $150 back in 06 for Panzer Dragoon Saga. Just like metal Jesus, at the time I thought the price was kinda ridiculous. But obviously now it was a great deal. I remember also paying $40 for Bomberman in 08 thinking it should be cheaper. It's always funny to look back on stuff like that
And here I am, wondering if a new Assassin's creed worth 60$
Cause it's going to be total garbage.
Not only that, but 60$ is like an entry to the attraction park, while high-level content is beyond multiple paywalls, lol
It's supposed to be really good, if you like AC. I'd probably wait for a sale though since there's other things to play.
Love your vids MJR! I just happened to see on my recommended videos, The Last Gamer's game room tour. Talk about amazing! What's your take on his collection? I was blown away. I think his collection could qualify as the ultimate museum of video gaming history, completely blowing away our National Video Gaming museum here in Texas.
Can't wait to snuggle at PRGE
I forgot to tell you...I'm snuggling you at PRGE
RIICCKKYYYYYYYYY!!
I brought Panzer Dragroon saga when it came out.
Most SEGA Saturn games worth playing/owning are stupidly expensive. But some, like Panzer Dragoon Saga are worth every goddamn dollar.
Man I remember seeing Magic Knight Rayearth cib for $100 and thinking "No way I'm paying that. I'll wait for it to go down." 😭
I have one. What does it sell for now? I'll take ten grand.
As much as I like the Saturn, it's just too expensive to collect for. The only system that I can think of that's just as, if not more expensive is the TurboGrafx-16.
Bro, Let me introduce you to the NeoGeo! :D
The NeoGeo and the Sega Saturn are like diamond stones.
But atleast the Neo Geo had a legitament reason to be expensive.
Completely forgot about NeoGeo.....even though I want one more than any other system out there.
The Neo Geo MVS is not nearly as expensive.
These videos make me glad that I'm not into the deep end of collecting especially with prices for games that you can get elsewhere like Mega Man X4.
Makes me very happy that I can claim to own Albert Odyssey, Dragon Force, Shining Force III, and Panzer Dragoon Saga, all in the box, with manuals!
richfiles π and we are all very happy.
Love your channel, always watch!!
Cool games , but I d rather buy a motorcycle lol
You're in the wrong channel
Magic Knight Rayearth is a super fun ACTION RPG non turn based
Just FYI: House of the Dead on Saturn and Dreamcast are different games. Saturn has HotD1 and Dreamcast has HotD2. HotD1 on Saturn is not very good as the Saturn wasn’t great in 3D. It’s polygon count and texture resolution was really poor.
J Kemp Saturn HotD was said to be only 60% complete when it shipped. Tantalus wasn't done yet but Sega told them to wrap it up. That's why the graphics were unfinished. Gameplay is actually 100% intact. Saturn could have done the game justice graphically as it was a Model 2 game and plenty of other Model 2 conversions looked great on Saturn.
Yup this one wasn't the Saturn fault. A proper port could have easily looked as good as Virtua cop 2. Sadly we got a rushed port due to dev teams moving onto Dreamcast. The game is luckily very playable despite the unfinished graphics
I think the Saturn coudn't run Model 2 games very well…. I bought a saturn at launch with daytona usa and it was great but when I played the Model 2 version on pc many years later…. the framerate is 60fps while 25fps on the saturn…. plus the graphic are so much better on the model 2 version…. it's almost night and day.
@@KevenLC Daytona is actually a bad example. It was rushed which is why they released Daytona CCE later on. Better examples would be virtua fighter 2 and virtua cop 2. The best and closest 1:1 polygonal arcade port on the system was die hard arcade imo
@@xDerekRx Indeed, the original Daytona on Saturn was rushed for the Saturn launch. Daytona CCE used the same engine as the Sega Rally port, and looks much better than original Daytona Saturn.
Some excellent Model 2-to-Saturn ports include Last Bronx, VF2, Sega Rally, Dead or Alive, Virtual On, Virtua Cop 2, etc.
And by excellent ports I mean in terms of a couple thousand dollar arcade board vs. a couple hundred dollar home hardware.
Just started watching your channel. I really dig it, I’ll be watching for new content and catching up on the older stuff!
How to play these games in cheap and non-emulator way?
J you should get the red 5-in-1 cart off Ebay or Etsy and you can burn these games once pseudosaturn is installed from the cart. So worth it
Phantom mod chip
This is pretty fascinating; I have a complete copy of Burning Rangers because my dad's a super star and got the game for me back when I was a teenager and I wanted to see what a bunch of sega saturn games I missed out on were like, he was able to haggle the seller down to half price at around 50 dollars. The sale sticker is still on the front of the casing, it looks like it was priced at 111.99 in May 2008 from this particular seller, I had no idea it'd go up so much in that period of time!
Now, the prices will go even up more after this video!
Its true
I regret selling my Saturn. I remember after I sold it; they released Panzer Dragoon 2 and PD RPG. I really wanted those two games. Maybe I should buy a Saturn, again.
And sadly after this video they will be even more stupidly expensive.
Don't be a baby about it.
I can see that for popular systems but there’s only so many Saturn systems out there
I doubt it honestly.
Agreed these guys always raise Game prices
Naw.
Radiant Silvergun, a very popular Saturn shooter is really expensive.... and also Shining Force 3 Premium Disc... a bonus disc that came with the Shining Force 3 trilogy... it's not really a game but a database info about the trilogy... is very expensive too.