Ive said again and again.. if your company that makes electronics goes out of business, your software should be disqualified from the DCMA. Make it all open source, and allow people to modify and get other parts working with these giant cell phones.
YES! THEY FUCK YOU ON THE SALE AND YOU CAN NEVER MAINTAIN OR RETAIL! Your point makes so much sense but the fact is that customers of out of business business can never afford to lobby for this. F DMCA
How to build things and make sure they will broke. Imagine people went to universities and that's the result. Lots of people have rich parents. University diplomas are overrated 🙄
Those types of hinges used to be common in the 70s (and 80s I think?) but they had a lot more material in the hood so that warping wouldn't happen *as* often, but there's a reason they died out.
@@JohnDoe-en9ch Should be relatively straight forward. Put a new 12v battery in, then hook the car up to a good 12v support (this is crucial, it needs to be a good support. Or a set of jump leads to another vehicle running and outputting 14v.) All of this needs to be done near access to a charger for the HV, leave the car being supported and plug the HV charger in and simply leave it, it won’t start charging right away but once the 12v is about where it needs to be it’ll start to charge the HV. At that point you can turn off the 12v support and let the car charge. Circa 5% SOC will then let the vehicle support the 12v itself and should be smooth sailing from there on out.
my buddy has 8 cars in his backyard that he got "great deals" on and only needs _____ to get it going and then "sell for twice what he paid..." yadda ya ya... I don't know how his wife puts up with it
I don't know if anyone mentioned this but lots of cars with a auto E-brake engage if you have a door open. Every time you open the driver door, the E-brake will try to engage.
Be super careful with a power probe. I heard about a tech who managed to deploy every single airbag simultaneously poking around under the dash with one 😂
Looks like Fisker design engineers may have resurrected a 90 y.o. hinge design where hood locks into upright position. Back then, it was accomplished with a pawl that dropped into a ratcheting sprocket. To lower hood, you have to LIFT IT FIRST to disengage lock and then it will drop. Trouble is, only geezers like me, and younger folks into old cars have a clue how to operate them. Obviously, some clueless schmo who's used to gas struts tried to force locked hood into closed position.
@@Drew_Snydermann Some older muscle cars had this issue too. Most of them have heavy steel hoods and its not an issue but some have a thin aluminum light weight hood, and the manufacture FAILED to change the mechanism for a lighter hood, so when you pull it down, if you dont put your hand on the underside of the hood and coax it shut, youll end up with a crease dent across the entire hood.
John has the type of brain wiring that would be dangerous on a commercial construction site. The inability to understand and coordinate with others = injuries or death. He wouldn't last long when safety is on the linel
Rich, I know it's a bit late but you could have just jacked up the rear, removed the wheels, remove the wires going to the parking brake, apply 12 volts to the calliper and bypassed the e brake. Oce the wheels are back on use the dollies on the front and that would have saved a few hours.... It's what Freddy did with his P1 when he needed to get it on the trailer. 😆
Hearing that those cars were going for super cheap had me almost interested... I'm glad I never pulled the trigger on one, this is exactly what I was afraid of!
Yep. No warranty support. No software updates. No parts availability. All from a company known for half-baked software on release. That thing will brick itself doing 75 on the highway and kill you. I wouldn't touch that thing with a ten foot pole except to part it out and let others beta-test their potential demise.
There are a number of cheap 10 year old evs out there that are selling dirt cheap. Yet with out knowing how much battery replacement cost they are not worth it. Even the I3 would be a super commuter car and one has the range extender.
@@kameljoe21 I wouldn't be worried at all about the battery. Those can be replaced with any sort of battery as long as they have the same characteristics (Chemistry, voltage, etc.)-- And they're usually pretty reliable anyways. It's the proprietary software and diagnostics tools that I'd be worried about. So if something goes wrong, there's little-to-no support from the manufacturer on how to fix it. The only thing going for the Fisker Ocean is that it was manufactured by Magna, so they may share some parts and design elements with other EV's manufactured by them.
Having a rear ebrake and a transmission parking pawl, locking up the front wheels is super common. My Stellantis EVs have those. Regarding the Fisker, Your strategy of fitting a charged 12v to enable the Traction battery to be charged is sound. Ought to be pretty straightforward.
Fisker's onboard entertainment system is so slow that they keep it running even while the car is off. You get about 1-2 weeks on the 12V battery. They stopped that with software V2
ikr first time watcher and I started side eyeing john when the pressed the breaks the very FRIST time, wtf we diagnosing a battery issue and and he in the driving seat doing things on his own harzards, window wiper
One of these was for sale near me with the flat blue paint job for $20k. Went down to buy it, drove it, and didn't end up having the guts. Good luck to all out there with these vehicles...
8:54 FYI...I watched a recent RUclips video that mentioned the Ocean will be bricked if it is updated from software version 1 to version 2 (which I assume is still possible). Might be worth doing some research before performing any software upgrades. .
Every RUclipsr I talk to says views are down right now, myself included. I think this build it epic! Also RUclips hasn’t recommended a video to me from your channel or any other channel I follow for months.
There are too many channels with good content for me to catch every video I want to, even from favorite creators. I watch channels like Rich and Sampson Boat Co because they have great content, not because they post a lot. When creators start to make lots of content just to get a video out every day, quality invariably suffers. They are putting 10 minutes of content into a 23 minute video. Editing the video to keep attention without resorting to (too many) cheap tricks means you have to start with a lot of footage and events.
You would want all 4 wheels to lock during the winter. Especially if you park on the inclined parking spot after a longer trip. If the ground is icy it's very common for car to glide off, which is quite dangerous.
When mine did this I put a jump box on it while it was charging and left it on / charged for about 20 minutes and the battery came back and everything started working. DO NOT use california mode though, the doggie windows need to be calibrated if the 12v goes away and they will be rolled halfway down.
@@ivanjovanovic362 Also if you are complaining about a 30 minute video that you didn’t like, but watched, even after deeming it “unimportant crap”, you have a tough life ahead of you….
The Fisker Ocean probably has a PM (Permanent Magnet 🧲) motor both in the the rear and front drive unit. If it had been an induction motor, it would have been “free spinning” without the cogging torque or Back EMF of the PM motor. Remember that you have a reduction gear and the force from the cogging torque and Back EMF gets multiplied by the ratio of the reduction gear.
The hood problem reminds me of the square body Chevy trucks that came out during the mid 70s. The hoods were flimsy and the hinges would tend to bind up over time if the owners did keep them greased and or oiled so when going to close the hood the hoods would get a crease in them from the hinges.. One had to keep the hinges well lubed or you would get the classic Chevy creased hood.
Hood damage was user error. Someone attempted to close the hood without disengaging the lock, which damaged it permanently. It could have been better designed, though. Struts are cheap.
There are cars 30 or even 40 years old that has spring assisted hinges that hold a comparatively heavy steel hood up without having any latches or anything. No struts just open the hood and leave it. Just pull it down when it's time to close it. No gas springa, no latches and no struts. My parents drove Volvo for something like fifty years before my father got a Skoda instead. I never saw a strut or anything like that when I was a kid. I thought they were joking when I saw someone use a strut when working on a Toyota. Even more stupid I thought were cars with hoods that opened forward. I never understood the idea there. But yea, a strut is cheap and simple. Hinges that lock and you have to disengage them before closing is just asking for someone to damage them by doing their 500 pound Gorilla impression when closing the hood. I never liked Fisker products. For years they presented interesting things and promised the sky but delivered nothing like that. Designing a weak hood hinge like that was just asking for it to be damaged. Wouldn't surprise me if their warranty would claim it was user damage and make sure their customers payed dearly for any repairs. Not that it matters as there doesn't look like there will be any company to handle warranties on these cars.
My mower has a hood catch system like that. Locks it open and push up to unlock. They are super simple. Struts might be cheap yet my truck's hood struts are bad and I have not replaced them. This hood latch will last a very long time and is super simple to make and long lasting. Struts have a short life, this does not.
@@kameljoe21 Struts are super cheap to replace too. The problem here is the design. Unless you looked at the mechanism up close, you would not understand.
@@kylecordes Not very hard. Fiskers short-sighted original intention was to only have trained service techs open the hood. But reality turned out to be different.
"Your Scientists Were So Preoccupied With Whether Or Not They Could, They Didn’t Stop To Think If They Should "... As a Technician, what I KNEW what was going to be a real PAIN when I 1st saw it? 1) Screen that does everything, so when it breaks, you can't control anything, like the A/C, radio, etc.. 2) Electronic "E" Parking Brakes.
Rich, my Chevy Volt has what is called "hill start assist" which sets the brakes when stopped on a hill. Because you were rolling the car backwards, if the Fisker has the same brake assist system, it's possible that was what kept engaging
As someone who's dealt with dead 12v batteries in EVs. Jumpstart it WHILE the AC charger is plugged in. This should activate the 12v support quickly. Done this many times with my Hyundai
If it was previously stuck in neutral, it probably wouldn't hv charge due to that. Throw it back on 60a, put it in park and plug in the hv charger and bobs your uncle.
I work for an EV manufacturer and I will say that when the 12v battery dies on one of our vehicles (not a Fisker) even when jumped the vehicle sometimes does not even respond and/or acts weird. You should look into replacing the 12v with a new one and see what happens. I'd also recommend only using what the manufacturer suggests because the vehicle can also be programmed to look for specific amounts of voltage/amps
Auto hold for whatever gear 0mph will force the parking brake on when at low-zero, should be in driver/driving settings. Turn that feature off and it should freewheel. I know you all said it was the brake pedal press that did it, but it likely uses that to say "Braking scenario" and then the PB System checks for movement.
Appreciate you picking up that battery that got tossed. I had a visceral reaction to seeing it get thrown - i grew up in neighborhoods covered in litter.
I have seen interviews with American Leasing, that has purchased the remaining 3000+ Oceans and will be using them as New York City taxis, and private Ocean owners are leaning more positive as American Leasing is suggesting parts to be available through them. BUT, I see it differently. Google how many miles a New York City taxi makes per year, 45,000+. That is a huge demand as it's more than 3 times the average 12,000-14,000 miles a private owner runs a personal car per year. As generous as American Leasing seems, I can not see them allowing a taxi to sit idle, generating zero income, and letting a part be sent to a private owner when they need it. And it's a New York City company. Do NYC companies play nice???? I don't think so, it's all bottom line.
17:52 It looks like this is set up like my CRZ where when in park there is some sort of locking pin on the front axel(making the wheels counter rotate), and the e brake locks the rear wheels. Just a guess, because it looked like the passenger wheel caught, spun forward which sent the driver side wheel spinning backward and fired out the wheel lift.
How am I just getting recommended your channel for the first time, after watching this sort of content for years? This is some of the funniest car rebuilding content I've seen in months
I finished your audiobook on one of my epic roadtrips, Rich. In a Model X, no less. Great stuff and I am VERY appreciative that you read it yourself. It needed your voice.
Hey, I picked up you guys were having issues to not overshoot a certain current at some point or the car would shut off when you didn’t not want it to. Been in countless dead battery scenarios where pushing the breaks would cause the Motor to die cause of the sudden power surge of the break light coming on. First thing to do was killing all unnecessary power drains, and that means Radio, Exterior lights and Interior lights, maybe that is all computer controlled now, so blocking the door opening switches would have been my go to in order to stop that car to drain its own 12 V battery. Plus, if the car engages parking breaks when it detects rolling, put blocks behind and in front of one tire…
4 wheel e-brake, I could have that one time when I tried parking on a steep icy driveway with a 1973 Buick Estate Wagon. I took my foot off the regular brakes and the tank of a car started sliding down the driveway.
11:22 - absolutely correct. Always charge a significantly drained battery outside of the vehicle system. You don’t necessarily have to physically remove the battery, but disconnect the cables to the vehicle.
Rich, I watched Kim Java interview you a few days ago. You mentioned your new book, so I bought the Audible version and enjoyed listening to you. That prompted me to come back to your RUclips channel and subscribe again. Looking forward to watching your videos again. Thanks.
Batteries are fragile. The chemistry used determines how fragile they are to being entirely discharged. That can be a problem with a car like this that was left unattended until the 12V battery failed. Lets hope the big battery pack can be recharged and the cells balanced.
Never seen a car that locks all four wheels like that but my 1979 Subaru has the E brake on the front wheels instead of the rear. It's helpful if you have a brake failure because on such a light car you can stop the car nearly as fast with the E brake as with the hydraulic brakes.
Having worked VERY closely with these cars.. I understand your pain. Lets just say you should wire in a 12V disconnect switch and run it to somewhere you can access while you work on it
Best automotive site on youtube hands down. Rich FYI - youtube hasnt been recommending your stuff, this is the first recommend since you fixed your McLaren for me
I've worked with computers for decades. The modern concept of having every function on a car run through a computer is the worst idea ever. Beats riding a motorcycle in a t shirt without a helmet. What's scary is it isn't just electrics. Most all the ice cars are doing this too and its 99% crap nobody needed that costs you a grip, and leaves you grounded everytime it breaks.
My 2001 S500 has the locks for hood, takes two people to unlock the hood. The parasitic drain on the 12v with software 1.1 is a pita. The real hurdle is how to get upgraded to 2.0 which will free up the 12v. P.S. My S500 developed a drain, never could find it so put a battery switch on the 12v.
Check the sensor in your drivers seat. There is an issue with them that not all models got resolved. That's why you're having issues with it sensing someone is in the seat. Just trash the 12 volt. those things are garbage and buy a lot of batteries for the remote. Even if you get to update to 2.1 they drain
I wonder about some basic "goodwill" of the company and the courts in letting the software out into the "open source" community - or even selling it to some software company that then could re-sell affordable updates to this particular vehicle line. What I really basically mean is that there IS a market for the owners that have the cars in trying to at least keep them running etc . . and it seems a shame ( AND INCREDIBLY wasteful ) to basically "brick" an entire car line because of lawyers / creditors etc . . . AND there IS value in the software and the existing cars - so it is better than NO MONEY at all going to the investors / creditors.
Someone will probably buy the software along with a bunch of other stuff and it will never see the light of day or any support. It is a shame that open source is not a thing in automotive or equipment. They only see the software as a tool to keep you under their thumb. Want to program that key? Just go to the dealer and give them $200 for 1 minute worth of work.
Try to push Park Button on the shift lever and foot brake at the same time during start-up. That can re-teach the parking lock pin position. You can also remove the pin with its actuator mechanically.
haha my uncle is looking at getting one so I wanted to watch this. I didnt realize the whole series isnt out yet haha he has a lonnng road ahead before the problems are solved and it becomes a viable option instead of a money pit brick but youll get there!
The fact a handbrake, i.e. a wire connected to a brake caliper, could be turned into something that becomes this much of a nightmare to just disengage is insane.
I think it would have worked had they just replaced the 12V battery. No point in trying to charge it even at 60 Amps. You don't know how much current this car draws on startup with all the electronics running.
I like this Fisker series and the intro month ago when you said "below 20 k I will buy, below 15 k I will buy even 2". Great one - regardless which way a swap will go or a rebuild as EV.
It looks like a great build quality vehicle. Seriously, nice looking car. The belt line is too high like all other EV's, but nice all the same. I'm in Ireland and never heard of the brand before. In the early 1900's there were dozens and dozens of car makers also before natural selection distilled the Big Three. Fun times we live in.
Rich, this is the best project in a long time! I am solidly in the EV camp now and am interested in learning more about both the troubleshooting and the Fisker. I was interested in buying a Fisker Ocean, an am glad I waited. How come everyone I know has switched from Chevy Bolt, Ionic and Ford have gone with Tesla? Humm, voting with their wallets.
you somehow should have tried to get to the plugs on the brake calipers. I know VAG cars need the service software to reset the parking brake when you do a brake service. But theres a hack: you just need to pull the plug on the calipers, plug it back in, now the brake control unit doesnt know the position of the brake piston anymore and it retracts all the way. I cant imagine that the Fisker is that much diffrent. So if the car is powered, pull the plug on the brake calipers, plug it back in, and when the brake piston is all the way retracted pull the plug again so it cant lock up anymore. Maybe this also works with this locking pin for the front motor. This way you can keep it movable without much hickup
I don't normally get into the EV stuff that much, but I absolutely love this. Good luck, I can't wait to see what you do with it (making it at all functional would be a monumental achievement).
the front wheels are locked by a parking pawl in the drive unit. It's like the park lock in an automatic transmission, most times there's a manual override but it may involve unbolting an actuator.
🏆 *GRIT.* Might've been frustrating, but you guys prevailed and that's commendable. Funny stuff aside, it was great to see you guys not give up _and_ get it moved by the end. Bravo sirs! _Keep up the great work, and best of luck to you all._ 👏
to be fair, youtube hasnt been recommending your stuff, this is the first video recommended to me in weeks
This.
Too many blacks in the thumbnails
Same
Same here.
Most of my notifications for subscribed channels have stopped showing up.
Ive said again and again.. if your company that makes electronics goes out of business, your software should be disqualified from the DCMA. Make it all open source, and allow people to modify and get other parts working with these giant cell phones.
YES! THEY FUCK YOU ON THE SALE AND YOU CAN NEVER MAINTAIN OR RETAIL! Your point makes so much sense but the fact is that customers of out of business business can never afford to lobby for this. F DMCA
That hood hinge is the absolute pinnacle of nobody knew what they were doing.
That was my thought. Could they find no engineers with actual experience??
How to build things and make sure they will broke. Imagine people went to universities and that's the result. Lots of people have rich parents. University diplomas are overrated 🙄
Along with the front motor parking pall.
Those types of hinges used to be common in the 70s (and 80s I think?) but they had a lot more material in the hood so that warping wouldn't happen *as* often, but there's a reason they died out.
Reminds me of my old Porsche 356….😜
Ex Fisker tech here, happy to help if and where I can 👍🏼
Great, any ideas why the last tech had no luck?
@@JohnDoe-en9ch No luck doing what exactly?
@@D17SCR Getting it to operate.
@@JohnDoe-en9ch Should be relatively straight forward. Put a new 12v battery in, then hook the car up to a good 12v support (this is crucial, it needs to be a good support. Or a set of jump leads to another vehicle running and outputting 14v.) All of this needs to be done near access to a charger for the HV, leave the car being supported and plug the HV charger in and simply leave it, it won’t start charging right away but once the 12v is about where it needs to be it’ll start to charge the HV. At that point you can turn off the 12v support and let the car charge. Circa 5% SOC will then let the vehicle support the 12v itself and should be smooth sailing from there on out.
@@D17SCR Sounds pretty straight forward. How come the other techs couldn't figure that out?
As a former fisker employee I hope you figure it out and help other owners that are in the limbo right now
So I'm curious what you're doing now. I'm so sad not only for Fisker customers but their employees. Seems Owner screwed everyone !
Great purchase; now push it into your garage and never talk about it again
😂....dude, you have more cars scattered around your farm than animals...maybe you can add this to your collection...😂
Sam, you must have mistaken this channel for yours. Thats what you are known for.
The Master has spoken 😅
😂😂😂
my buddy has 8 cars in his backyard that he got "great deals" on and only needs _____ to get it going and then "sell for twice what he paid..." yadda ya ya... I don't know how his wife puts up with it
I just bought a Fiat 500e that needs batteries. It needs a brutha’s luv on it.
You must first find a “brutha” in Kansas, homie.
Wiiiiiiiiiiizard
That thing probably takes a couple double A's.
What would be awesome if somebody cooked up some electronics that can lie to various EVs about the pack, so Jehu Garcia can build you a pack.
Hi Wizard, great to see u lurkin the tube off hours 😂
10k for a fisker ocean is crazy. Hopefully this helps other ocean owners diagnose/fix their cars in the future
History in the making
what other owners?
Hopefully Rich can purchase more an the company would want to partner with him for technical support! 💯🤷🏽♂️😂😂
Honestly, are the batteries even worth that much?
There is no future for Fisker cars
1:25 they are all brothers 👉🏻✊🏿✊🏿
I thought the same thing
Lol. That's where my brain went too
Former FOO owner. E brake is automatic when in park. Also, you need to buckle drivers seat belt, foot on brake and put into drive/neutral.
you can press the brake release button to put the car in drive without the seatbelt
How much were you able to sell yours for?
I don't know if anyone mentioned this but lots of cars with a auto E-brake engage if you have a door open. Every time you open the driver door, the E-brake will try to engage.
‘Why is this so hard?’ John. The answer in this case is John.
No offense to John, but he needs to go work on something he understands. Trying to diagnose a half-baked software system is not his forte.
he just had to pull the negative terminal off the battery. i dont know why he didn't understand that lmao
😂@@Jonny2by4
TY he is an idiot that only seems to make it all worse.
My blood was boiling, it was such a simple task
You can disengage an electronic brake by providing 12 V directly to the plug. Usa a powerprobe on the harness for the E brake.
At the end of the video Rich says there is even another emergency block in the front motor with a pin.
There's something so satisfying and so American about crudely bypassing new technology just to get sh!t done.
Be super careful with a power probe. I heard about a tech who managed to deploy every single airbag simultaneously poking around under the dash with one 😂
@@OwO---Drunk_Seulgi---OwOgeterdun
@failranch9542 you have to be really stupid to do that. Air bag stuff is all yellow
The hood buckling on it's own weight is insane
Looks like Fisker design engineers may have resurrected a 90 y.o. hinge design where hood locks into upright position. Back then, it was accomplished with a pawl that dropped into a ratcheting sprocket. To lower hood, you have to LIFT IT FIRST to disengage lock and then it will drop. Trouble is, only geezers like me, and younger folks into old cars have a clue how to operate them. Obviously, some clueless schmo who's used to gas struts tried to force locked hood into closed position.
@@johna1160 I think some older Mercedes had a locking hinge that used mechanical release levers needed to close.
From the looks of it, Fisker made a locking hinge and whoever went to shut it after it locked didnt unlock it.
@@Drew_Snydermann Some older muscle cars had this issue too. Most of them have heavy steel hoods and its not an issue but some have a thin aluminum light weight hood, and the manufacture FAILED to change the mechanism for a lighter hood, so when you pull it down, if you dont put your hand on the underside of the hood and coax it shut, youll end up with a crease dent across the entire hood.
Well, it wasn't designed to be opened by DIYers. It's a service port.
I am so damn happy Rich grabbed one of these!! Having him take a look is exactly what the Fisker community needed!
John is that friend that helps 2% of the time and makes life 400x more difficult the other 98%. But you still need him around 😂
Just pushing buttons for no reason 😂
John has the type of brain wiring that would be dangerous on a commercial construction site.
The inability to understand and coordinate with others = injuries or death. He wouldn't last long when safety is on the linel
Exactly 😅😂
jeezus John. pay attention
John absolutely sucked
Oh my god so frustrating!
i dont know how rich stay so calm.. i would told john go take a smoke break and come back next week.
Eject john, fast.
Rich, I know it's a bit late but you could have just jacked up the rear, removed the wheels, remove the wires going to the parking brake, apply 12 volts to the calliper and bypassed the e brake.
Oce the wheels are back on use the dollies on the front and that would have saved a few hours....
It's what Freddy did with his P1 when he needed to get it on the trailer. 😆
Hearing that those cars were going for super cheap had me almost interested... I'm glad I never pulled the trigger on one, this is exactly what I was afraid of!
yeah good that the lady that bought this one traded it before it died
@@shangsty Well, it died because she traded it and the car was left untouched for too long.
Yep. No warranty support. No software updates. No parts availability. All from a company known for half-baked software on release. That thing will brick itself doing 75 on the highway and kill you. I wouldn't touch that thing with a ten foot pole except to part it out and let others beta-test their potential demise.
There are a number of cheap 10 year old evs out there that are selling dirt cheap. Yet with out knowing how much battery replacement cost they are not worth it. Even the I3 would be a super commuter car and one has the range extender.
@@kameljoe21 I wouldn't be worried at all about the battery. Those can be replaced with any sort of battery as long as they have the same characteristics (Chemistry, voltage, etc.)-- And they're usually pretty reliable anyways. It's the proprietary software and diagnostics tools that I'd be worried about. So if something goes wrong, there's little-to-no support from the manufacturer on how to fix it. The only thing going for the Fisker Ocean is that it was manufactured by Magna, so they may share some parts and design elements with other EV's manufactured by them.
Having a rear ebrake and a transmission parking pawl, locking up the front wheels is super common. My Stellantis EVs have those.
Regarding the Fisker, Your strategy of fitting a charged 12v to enable the Traction battery to be charged is sound. Ought to be pretty straightforward.
Fisker's onboard entertainment system is so slow that they keep it running even while the car is off. You get about 1-2 weeks on the 12V battery. They stopped that with software V2
Very fun to sit here and watch John cause problems for 20 minutes 😆
I only watched the Video and wan't to give John an Gibs Memerial Slap... or a Bud Spencer Greeting...
ikr first time watcher and I started side eyeing john when the pressed the breaks the very FRIST time, wtf we diagnosing a battery issue and and he in the driving seat doing things on his own harzards, window wiper
That dude…….
One of these was for sale near me with the flat blue paint job for $20k. Went down to buy it, drove it, and didn't end up having the guts. Good luck to all out there with these vehicles...
You did the right thing by walking away. 👍🏾
8:54 FYI...I watched a recent RUclips video that mentioned the Ocean will be bricked if it is updated from software version 1 to version 2 (which I assume is still possible). Might be worth doing some research before performing any software upgrades. .
Every RUclipsr I talk to says views are down right now, myself included. I think this build it epic! Also RUclips hasn’t recommended a video to me from your channel or any other channel I follow for months.
There are too many channels with good content for me to catch every video I want to, even from favorite creators. I watch channels like Rich and Sampson Boat Co because they have great content, not because they post a lot. When creators start to make lots of content just to get a video out every day, quality invariably suffers. They are putting 10 minutes of content into a 23 minute video. Editing the video to keep attention without resorting to (too many) cheap tricks means you have to start with a lot of footage and events.
I get odd ball videos promoted over and over... i have to hit subscriptions to see about 80% of subbed chans. Been weird for 3-4 months.
You would want all 4 wheels to lock during the winter. Especially if you park on the inclined parking spot after a longer trip. If the ground is icy it's very common for car to glide off, which is quite dangerous.
The parking brake locking while it rolled is probably part of a hill lock system. So you don't accidentally go rolling down a hill.
One of the complain in his review a month ago that the car rolls back. LOL!
@@siddharthkapadia7674 it cannot roll back lolll, it has a physical locking key on the front motor.
@@alanmay7929 it doesn't have hill lock, even mkbhd mentioned in his review that its such a flaw to not have it after being so expensive
@@solty3928 It does when it gets to 2.0
When mine did this I put a jump box on it while it was charging and left it on / charged for about 20 minutes and the battery came back and everything started working. DO NOT use california mode though, the doggie windows need to be calibrated if the 12v goes away and they will be rolled halfway down.
Doggie Mode OMG ! 😂
I love the Honda beat build, not necessarily because it’s “cheap” just because it’s unique
Yeah but he just records some non important crap and uploads it. Im not watching them talk to eachother for 30 minutes
@@ivanjovanovic362 Good thing no one is forcing you to watch it.
@@ivanjovanovic362 Also if you are complaining about a 30 minute video that you didn’t like, but watched, even after deeming it “unimportant crap”, you have a tough life ahead of you….
The Fisker Ocean probably has a PM (Permanent Magnet 🧲) motor both in the the rear and front drive unit.
If it had been an induction motor, it would have been “free spinning” without the cogging torque or Back EMF of the PM motor.
Remember that you have a reduction gear and the force from the cogging torque and Back EMF gets multiplied by the ratio of the reduction gear.
The hood problem reminds me of the square body Chevy trucks that came out during the mid 70s. The hoods were flimsy and the hinges would tend to bind up over time if the owners did keep them greased and or oiled so when going to close the hood the hoods would get a crease in them from the hinges.. One had to keep the hinges well lubed or you would get the classic Chevy creased hood.
Hood damage was user error. Someone attempted to close the hood without disengaging the lock, which damaged it permanently. It could have been better designed, though. Struts are cheap.
There are cars 30 or even 40 years old that has spring assisted hinges that hold a comparatively heavy steel hood up without having any latches or anything. No struts just open the hood and leave it. Just pull it down when it's time to close it. No gas springa, no latches and no struts. My parents drove Volvo for something like fifty years before my father got a Skoda instead. I never saw a strut or anything like that when I was a kid. I thought they were joking when I saw someone use a strut when working on a Toyota. Even more stupid I thought were cars with hoods that opened forward. I never understood the idea there.
But yea, a strut is cheap and simple. Hinges that lock and you have to disengage them before closing is just asking for someone to damage them by doing their 500 pound Gorilla impression when closing the hood.
I never liked Fisker products. For years they presented interesting things and promised the sky but delivered nothing like that. Designing a weak hood hinge like that was just asking for it to be damaged. Wouldn't surprise me if their warranty would claim it was user damage and make sure their customers payed dearly for any repairs. Not that it matters as there doesn't look like there will be any company to handle warranties on these cars.
My mower has a hood catch system like that. Locks it open and push up to unlock. They are super simple. Struts might be cheap yet my truck's hood struts are bad and I have not replaced them. This hood latch will last a very long time and is super simple to make and long lasting. Struts have a short life, this does not.
I wonder how hard someone had to abuse the car (push the hood down) to do that damage.
@@kameljoe21 Struts are super cheap to replace too. The problem here is the design. Unless you looked at the mechanism up close, you would not understand.
@@kylecordes Not very hard. Fiskers short-sighted original intention was to only have trained service techs open the hood. But reality turned out to be different.
"Your Scientists Were So Preoccupied With Whether Or Not They Could, They Didn’t Stop To Think If They Should "... As a Technician, what I KNEW what was going to be a real PAIN when I 1st saw it? 1) Screen that does everything, so when it breaks, you can't control anything, like the A/C, radio, etc.. 2) Electronic "E" Parking Brakes.
Exactly!!!
Rich, my Chevy Volt has what is called "hill start assist" which sets the brakes when stopped on a hill. Because you were rolling the car backwards, if the Fisker has the same brake assist system, it's possible that was what kept engaging
Thanks for helping the community giving John work experience!
As someone who's dealt with dead 12v batteries in EVs. Jumpstart it WHILE the AC charger is plugged in. This should activate the 12v support quickly. Done this many times with my Hyundai
If it was previously stuck in neutral, it probably wouldn't hv charge due to that. Throw it back on 60a, put it in park and plug in the hv charger and bobs your uncle.
Ted is actually your uncle but Bob doesn't know
@@rossr6616 ☝️no no no..Phil is actually your Uncle, it's Ted who doesn't know
@@menzimabuza1746 wait, I thought Scotty doesn't know. . .
I work for an EV manufacturer and I will say that when the 12v battery dies on one of our vehicles (not a Fisker) even when jumped the vehicle sometimes does not even respond and/or acts weird.
You should look into replacing the 12v with a new one and see what happens.
I'd also recommend only using what the manufacturer suggests because the vehicle can also be programmed to look for specific amounts of voltage/amps
I Second this, and Third this; Critical step and will save hours
, or in youse guys case. DAYS! 😂😂
@@rossr6616 Exactly, it's very critical
More and more I think these thing should have a hard reset switch.
@@hermitgreenn Usually how we would "hard reset" our electric vehicles is by pulling the 12v for about 15 minutes.
i'd do this if ya'll would stop putting in proprietary batteries which cost an arm and a leg. oh and companies like tesla never have them in stock
Auto hold for whatever gear 0mph will force the parking brake on when at low-zero, should be in driver/driving settings. Turn that feature off and it should freewheel.
I know you all said it was the brake pedal press that did it, but it likely uses that to say "Braking scenario" and then the PB System checks for movement.
Appreciate you picking up that battery that got tossed. I had a visceral reaction to seeing it get thrown - i grew up in neighborhoods covered in litter.
I have seen interviews with American Leasing, that has purchased the remaining 3000+ Oceans and will be using them as New York City taxis, and private Ocean owners are leaning more positive as American Leasing is suggesting parts to be available through them. BUT, I see it differently. Google how many miles a New York City taxi makes per year, 45,000+. That is a huge demand as it's more than 3 times the average 12,000-14,000 miles a private owner runs a personal car per year. As generous as American Leasing seems, I can not see them allowing a taxi to sit idle, generating zero income, and letting a part be sent to a private owner when they need it. And it's a New York City company. Do NYC companies play nice???? I don't think so, it's all bottom line.
17:52 It looks like this is set up like my CRZ where when in park there is some sort of locking pin on the front axel(making the wheels counter rotate), and the e brake locks the rear wheels.
Just a guess, because it looked like the passenger wheel caught, spun forward which sent the driver side wheel spinning backward and fired out the wheel lift.
1:20 They all have black shirts on
It was obvious that was the similarity.
They all are missing a Stevon in their life
...and banged Leenda.
Holy fuck watching John unable to remove a battery cable properly was absolutely insane.
John just needs to go play with a toy somewhere and move away from the car. He looks like he's a sabatier more than a friend who helps.
@@hayden-yz5xv saboteur
How am I just getting recommended your channel for the first time, after watching this sort of content for years? This is some of the funniest car rebuilding content I've seen in months
I absolutely adore your attitude to fixing things and figuring out what is wrong! I share this with you!❤❤❤
I love his petrol and ev powered videos. Both are usually very entertaining.
Uncle Rich is back baby
I finished your audiobook on one of my epic roadtrips, Rich. In a Model X, no less. Great stuff and I am VERY appreciative that you read it yourself. It needed your voice.
Hey, I picked up you guys were having issues to not overshoot a certain current at some point or the car would shut off when you didn’t not want it to. Been in countless dead battery scenarios where pushing the breaks would cause the Motor to die cause of the sudden power surge of the break light coming on. First thing to do was killing all unnecessary power drains, and that means Radio, Exterior lights and Interior lights, maybe that is all computer controlled now, so blocking the door opening switches would have been my go to in order to stop that car to drain its own 12 V battery. Plus, if the car engages parking breaks when it detects rolling, put blocks behind and in front of one tire…
4 wheel e-brake, I could have that one time when I tried parking on a steep icy driveway with a 1973 Buick Estate Wagon. I took my foot off the regular brakes and the tank of a car started sliding down the driveway.
Like this EV troubleshooting videos! Rich back to rebuild.
A neighbour bought an Ocean, beautiful interior and fantastic building quality.
probably a nice (and expensive) decoration element right now
I've seen multiple of these under 30k. Actually crazy
He literally scrolled through a dozen listed at like 20-25k$ at the beginning. 😂
11:22 - absolutely correct. Always charge a significantly drained battery outside of the vehicle system. You don’t necessarily have to physically remove the battery, but disconnect the cables to the vehicle.
Rich, I watched Kim Java interview you a few days ago. You mentioned your new book, so I bought the Audible version and enjoyed listening to you. That prompted me to come back to your RUclips channel and subscribe again. Looking forward to watching your videos again. Thanks.
I was going to say the three men save money using shipstation?
The battery pack is worth more than $10k. How much are the motors? $3-5k?
Batteries are fragile. The chemistry used determines how fragile they are to being entirely discharged. That can be a problem with a car like this that was left unattended until the 12V battery failed. Lets hope the big battery pack can be recharged and the cells balanced.
It's not worth 10k if it's sitting at around 0V right now. Who knows how much is salvageable.
That video of Henrik popping up is FOUL!!
@6:14 with 2 locks you wont be able to close it on yr own...... think! This is going to be a great project and I wish you guys luck.
Never seen a car that locks all four wheels like that but my 1979 Subaru has the E brake on the front wheels instead of the rear. It's helpful if you have a brake failure because on such a light car you can stop the car nearly as fast with the E brake as with the hydraulic brakes.
Man, something might be up with me, but I love the looks of this and the vinfast vf8
Yeah something is wrong with you
I agree the Ocean looks slick, looks like an Evoque EV
I liked the looks when MKBHD reviewed it even tho it's seriously flawed (mostly self-inflicted by its shoddy software).
Is John acoustic? I think I would explode working on a car with that guy.
🤣
John is that kid from elementary school that eats his buggers and lets everyone know how it tastes.
@@youssef-way Too right
Yes . I couldn’t agree more . Turn this on , turns that on or off , 11 year old
Na he's a Capella
Video starts at 3:50
The e brake on back hub has a positive negative connection, you can put power to them to unlock them
Having worked VERY closely with these cars.. I understand your pain. Lets just say you should wire in a 12V disconnect switch and run it to somewhere you can access while you work on it
Best automotive site on youtube hands down. Rich FYI - youtube hasnt been recommending your stuff, this is the first recommend since you fixed your McLaren for me
I've worked with computers for decades. The modern concept of having every function on a car run through a computer is the worst idea ever. Beats riding a motorcycle in a t shirt without a helmet. What's scary is it isn't just electrics. Most all the ice cars are doing this too and its 99% crap nobody needed that costs you a grip, and leaves you grounded everytime it breaks.
The problem is also interdependence between so many systems. Ive had my diesel truck on the side of the road because a $30 cps sensor failed
I was a fisker technician, I know alllllll about these
My 2001 S500 has the locks for hood, takes two people to unlock the hood.
The parasitic drain on the 12v with software 1.1 is a pita. The real hurdle is how to get upgraded to 2.0 which will free up the 12v.
P.S. My S500 developed a drain, never could find it so put a battery switch on the 12v.
Check the sensor in your drivers seat. There is an issue with them that not all models got resolved. That's why you're having issues with it sensing someone is in the seat. Just trash the 12 volt. those things are garbage and buy a lot of batteries for the remote. Even if you get to update to 2.1 they drain
That's not carbon fiber on the rims. It's recycled OCEAN plastic. Hence the name 😅😅😅😅
Plastic is made out of hydrocarbon: so both can be true.
I wonder about some basic "goodwill" of the company and the courts in letting the software out into the "open source" community - or even selling it to some software company that then could re-sell affordable updates to this particular vehicle line. What I really basically mean is that there IS a market for the owners that have the cars in trying to at least keep them running etc . . and it seems a shame ( AND INCREDIBLY wasteful ) to basically "brick" an entire car line because of lawyers / creditors etc . . . AND there IS value in the software and the existing cars - so it is better than NO MONEY at all going to the investors / creditors.
Don't worry, a Chinese company will buy the assets, including the software.
The issue is that Fisker very likely outsourced (third party) a lot of that software - they don't own it to be able to open source it.
Someone will probably buy the software along with a bunch of other stuff and it will never see the light of day or any support. It is a shame that open source is not a thing in automotive or equipment. They only see the software as a tool to keep you under their thumb. Want to program that key? Just go to the dealer and give them $200 for 1 minute worth of work.
I thought Rich was joking about a video of the CEO thanking you for buying the car that plays on the infotainment screen. 20:50 had me rolling.🤣
Try to push Park Button on the shift lever and foot brake at the same time during start-up. That can re-teach the parking lock pin position. You can also remove the pin with its actuator mechanically.
haha my uncle is looking at getting one so I wanted to watch this. I didnt realize the whole series isnt out yet haha he has a lonnng road ahead before the problems are solved and it becomes a viable option instead of a money pit brick but youll get there!
In 2011 my classmate told me Fisker would beat out Tesla. I'm looking for that guy. 😂
Hence the expression that opinions are like a$$holes...you know the rest. He's probably still doing Vines on his BlackBerry.
He was wrong from day 1.
@@blackterminal And wrong more than once, given that timeframe
The fact a handbrake, i.e. a wire connected to a brake caliper, could be turned into something that becomes this much of a nightmare to just disengage is insane.
I think it would have worked had they just replaced the 12V battery. No point in trying to charge it even at 60 Amps. You don't know how much current this car draws on startup with all the electronics running.
I really hate how EVs try to over complicate everything. In theory EVs should be simpler than gas cars but then they pull off stuff like this.
@@redsquirrelftw Even gas cars have had e brakes for a while. My sisters 2019 mazda 6 had it and that is a economy car under $20k
Lol when the founder came on the center screen shifting through the settings, I had one of those laugh so hard you fart moments 😂😂😂
I like this Fisker series and the intro month ago when you said "below 20 k I will buy, below 15 k I will buy even 2".
Great one - regardless which way a swap will go or a rebuild as EV.
It looks like a great build quality vehicle. Seriously, nice looking car. The belt line is too high like all other EV's, but nice all the same. I'm in Ireland and never heard of the brand before. In the early 1900's there were dozens and dozens of car makers also before natural selection distilled the Big Three. Fun times we live in.
17:00 was comedic gold 😂"can't imagine why they went out of business"
I love “power” written on the door sill, that seems like something GM would have done in the 80s
Exactly, and many of those cars still run today.
Me watching the video screaming pull the ebrake fuse lol
Rich, this is the best project in a long time! I am solidly in the EV camp now and am interested in learning more about both the troubleshooting and the Fisker. I was interested in buying a Fisker Ocean, an am glad I waited.
How come everyone I know has switched from Chevy Bolt, Ionic and Ford have gone with Tesla? Humm, voting with their wallets.
Rich, you are crazy for trying this and I love it!
John be careful around stairs, concrete trucks, and bodies of water 😂
You should have cut a 2x4 to hold the hood up.
They definitely had a 2x4 and a saw available.....really?
20:50 Corporate jump-scare
you somehow should have tried to get to the plugs on the brake calipers.
I know VAG cars need the service software to reset the parking brake when you do a brake service. But theres a hack: you just need to pull the plug on the calipers, plug it back in, now the brake control unit doesnt know the position of the brake piston anymore and it retracts all the way. I cant imagine that the Fisker is that much diffrent.
So if the car is powered, pull the plug on the brake calipers, plug it back in, and when the brake piston is all the way retracted pull the plug again so it cant lock up anymore.
Maybe this also works with this locking pin for the front motor. This way you can keep it movable without much hickup
I don't normally get into the EV stuff that much, but I absolutely love this. Good luck, I can't wait to see what you do with it (making it at all functional would be a monumental achievement).
Do something crazy now, Rich. Start an amateur rally team, using a 2017 Ford Fiesta. 😁
They really designed this thing with construction paper and crayons. Then they put it together with ductape and the cheapest metal they could find.
If only Rich knew of some Electrified Garage who specializes in the repair of Electric cars . 🤔
Rich is an electrical engineer
I TRY - I watch EVERYTHING you push - Love the Humor and the Information! Folks - Watch the EV.....
HEY RICH! YOU HAVE TO FASTEN THE SEATBELT TO DISENGAGE THE PARKING BRAKES! AND TO GET WHO KNOWS WHAT ELSE TO WORK RIGHT. (EROPEANS!)
I think I saw a huge pile of these oceans last week next to some rivians north of Sacramento at a dismantler 5:08
Rich should buy another fisker, strip it down, create a new custom body and rebuild it as a sports car.
Body is only that works on this car
@@dzonikg lol knowing Rich he'll figure the rest out.
In this episode of "Everyone Yells at John" the boys find out how to operate a parking brake
the front wheels are locked by a parking pawl in the drive unit.
It's like the park lock in an automatic transmission, most times there's a manual override but it may involve unbolting an actuator.
🏆 *GRIT.* Might've been frustrating, but you guys prevailed and that's commendable. Funny stuff aside, it was great to see you guys not give up _and_ get it moved by the end. Bravo sirs! _Keep up the great work, and best of luck to you all._ 👏