obv the dev did the same error 2 times an the player base drop twice. This game is for no life grind atm. Player base is so low that u can met the same guy in all of your games. If u are new to the game or just play casually u are just meat to grind, very fun experience... Just wait for a clone that aim for balance and skill expression instead of this clowfiesta.
Funny enough, I actually did (extracringegameplay warlock for vod proof). I was just trying to do quest in gc and thought norms would be easier to do it. I ran into thelorr 😂. Buy another kit, queue up, ran into another streamer moddx 😂. Like wtf are the chances (they both spawn rush and destroyed my ass 😤, and I realized I should do the quest with no gear instead 😅)
i agree with your bow only for ranger take mostly and would like to add daggers only for rogues. both these two classes are often called a "worse bard" or whatever other class using their weapons. that said im not so sure about giving crossbow for all classes, barb with xbow sounds really scary and i think we should move towards more melee combat and less range
lorr i was the one who told you about the soft cap. u can get around it (up to 60% phys damage bonus then it hard caps) by running PERCENT damage bonus rolls after you hit 50 physical power.
Rangers do have the main stage with bows, even if they don't have as much base power they have roughly 3x the arrow output potential. I think I'd prefer to see bows get nerfed and for ranger to have access to coatings for their arrows that they could use on a charge count basis that would be refillable by resting like how spells work. Could have different coatings that all do different things like burn, bleed, poison, slow, blindness, etc. That would give ranger more utility and less straight up nuking like it is currently, and would also make its bow usage stand out in comparison to other classes that would only have basic arrows. Also remove true damage.
i think this idea is okay but suits more the rogue poison spec as people have suggested before. Poison becomes an ability instead of a perk and you open a spellwheel for the different types. But hey whos to say it wouldnt work for ranger too, i just feel its a bit copy pasted from the rogue build idea.
@@drafman1 I’d never stumbled across talks about that for a rogue before, but it’s not uncommon for similar thoughts to occur between different people, especially when they’re targeted toward game mechanics. That said, I feel like leaving rogue’s poison where it is is fine, as it already has a fully fleshed out playstyle that works with it. My thoughts with giving the ranger a radial wheel with different coating for arrows is to give the class a way to still fit its role and be strong while also nerfing ranged damage.
There's absolutely nothing to suggest that ranger is 3x faster with the bow. Basekit ranger has 3% more action speed than a fighter and a single perk which increases the draw speed animation by 15%. Anything beyond that is just who is building more dex, which a fighter can totally do if they want and nullify any advantage the ranger might've had.
Funny Toddfather calls you trash, he mainly only plays trios. If you ever 1vs1 him, 100% you'll win bro! Tbh solos is the true player skill in this game. Trios is mainly teamwork.
The other day when I saw you didn't even know inferno boss mechanics iwas caught off gaurd. Then I just realized you really were my pvp goat. Keep doing your thing lorr, I'm seriously here for it!!!
I fully agree with your thoughts on bow. A fighter having any of the bows is ridiculous. Even bards with a bow feels too strong with all their instruments as well
Ranger only class that can use bows. Crossbows allowed for some other classes but not all. Dagger master perk should give rogue an action speed bonus with daggers as well as current bonuses. Daggers on non native classes should receive somewhere between -2 to -5 weapon damage. And fighter should be able to use rapier and maybe a few other weapons without needing weapon mastery
my first reaction to hearing that rangers should be the only class that can equip a bow was to go "no but wait...." and then i gave it some thought and you're 1000% correct
No, he isnt. You will not be able to physically compete and will just be out ranged 100 percent of the time due to rangers typically being faster than melee based classes. This whole game is based around the "top dogs" knit picking what they want for the meta just so they can stay in power and never lose a single fight. You can't even give genuine constructive criticism to the game devs in discord, without getting banned. They know their game has serious balancing issues and just go "oh well, git gud Ahahahahahahah hahahahaha"
Oh great so you want to be able to close the distance of an entire module in .5 seconds and crossbow from across the room. Druid is right where it should be.
yea.... 2 days ago i got bombed by a fucking druid hiding IN THE FUCKING ICE CAVERN ROOF ?!?! IN FREAKING HIGH ROLLER HE BUMPED INTO ME AS A FUCKING PANTA AND 2 HIT ME ?! and u really start crying about rangers ?
Ive said the same take before. Each class should have certain weapons specific to them. Bows for ranger, daggers for rogue, two-handers for bard etc. It would take some work to figure each one out tho.
Barbooian has a video on it, but once you start getting high phys power and less action speed, armor pen is a better stat over true phys You could probably get more value (and save significantly more money) if you went with armor pen rolls on this set instead of true phys
10:35 i mean yeah. rangers are incredibly limited compared to other classes, meanwhile the classes meant to be a jack-of-all-trades, and the support buffing class can just whip out a bow and by default perform better than the ranger in his own niche.
i love watching your videos and seeing you kill a rubysilver/gold fighter with pretty good gear for his build and saying, "you know what, its not bad". and then i watch a video from frwog and he killed someone in blue and green gear and says they are "sauced".
@thelorr at 10:50 you shoot straight into a dark corner. All I see is pure black. I know you saw his footprints through to door, but how did you know he was right there enough to burn your skills before even turning the corner?
I think all class should be able use survival bow, but true dmg would need toned down or removed. Rangers should be able to use crossbows better as its armor pen counters a plate user. Something like 50% action speed when swapping from a crossbow would make sense.
I'd be happy if ranger was the only class able to use a bow. Feels like the entire class identity is worthless if half the other classes can do the same core thing.
I’d recommend using a warden outfit over the copper light tunic, the move speed difference is 1 ms but u gain 40 more armour rating + agi which is abit of action speed
@@drafman1 getting 1.3% action speed having a purple warden outfit ain’t bad as u can also get up to 2% on it bringing it up to 3.3% which is compared to the 3.8% on a purple doublet not bad, plus you’re getting like 8% pdr
50 strength is technically worse because it has diminishing returns, flat % damage is better and having str is good up until around 30 str then you just build % damage
rangers have the main stage when it comes to bows what do you even mean they reload long bows in .5 seconds, have perks and skills dedicated to making longbow better, they just need to give ranger 15 str and reduce the HP to wizard lvl or 14 str at least and rework traps completely
I think if you do the 49% bonus, and call it 50%, you’ll get more hate comments thus, more comments, happier algorithm, and more views? Haha idk.. another thing worth testing… unless you already have 😮
i've realized that there's a such thing as a bad opinion. good opinions are well-informed. and bad opinions are poorly-informed. the more you know yourself the less you let poorly-informed opinions affect you. if the opinion is well-informed, have the humility to accept it in your own way, and improve
All these people could be alive if only they had a shield in their hand. But no they watched a vid about how cool crystal sword fighter or longsword fighter is. Doesn't matter how cool it looks if you are dead mat :)
You need to balance this game like a fighting game, give grapplers more tools to rush down zoners. If every class had a range option, Dnd would become an fps which it already predominantly is, we need to dip more into the melee category.
Ur only looking at it from a dmg perspective, but technically rangers do have bow highlight because ur the only class with bow abilities everyone else can only stack stats
Yea i agree about rangers and bows but i also feel the same way about rouges with daggers i feel like only rouges should have daggers other classes should play to their strong suits like fighter should not be running rondel daggers as meta
Bro, Thank you for being you. You make me laugh and smile everytime you upload content, I need that lately
I be hurtin lately and lore videos always brighten the tunnel. Not just dark and darker content but the vibes. o7
Hitting too real brother
stay strong brother.
Thanks a lot man! That means a lot. o7
Thelorr is the type of players i encounter when i try and play this game lol.
“Pretty good deal” casually spends as much on a single item as I do on a kit
Fr bro every game im fighting someone from top 10 with 60k set on
obv the dev did the same error 2 times an the player base drop twice. This game is for no life grind atm. Player base is so low that u can met the same guy in all of your games. If u are new to the game or just play casually u are just meat to grind, very fun experience... Just wait for a clone that aim for balance and skill expression instead of this clowfiesta.
Me too
Funny enough, I actually did (extracringegameplay warlock for vod proof). I was just trying to do quest in gc and thought norms would be easier to do it. I ran into thelorr 😂. Buy another kit, queue up, ran into another streamer moddx 😂. Like wtf are the chances (they both spawn rush and destroyed my ass 😤, and I realized I should do the quest with no gear instead 😅)
i agree with your bow only for ranger take mostly and would like to add daggers only for rogues. both these two classes are often called a "worse bard" or whatever other class using their weapons. that said im not so sure about giving crossbow for all classes, barb with xbow sounds really scary and i think we should move towards more melee combat and less range
rogue definitely needs to be able to use crossbow or the hand crossbow be buffed, rogue is so fking bad in range rn
Agree'd.. Imo I think Ranger needs to be fuckin removed
It's not supposed to be good at range @@checkthisout7616
Based.
Agreed! im tired of seeing every melee class just run and shoot a bow its lame
lorr i was the one who told you about the soft cap. u can get around it (up to 60% phys damage bonus then it hard caps) by running PERCENT damage bonus rolls after you hit 50 physical power.
14:14 bro hit the griddy😂😂😂
Rangers do have the main stage with bows, even if they don't have as much base power they have roughly 3x the arrow output potential.
I think I'd prefer to see bows get nerfed and for ranger to have access to coatings for their arrows that they could use on a charge count basis that would be refillable by resting like how spells work. Could have different coatings that all do different things like burn, bleed, poison, slow, blindness, etc.
That would give ranger more utility and less straight up nuking like it is currently, and would also make its bow usage stand out in comparison to other classes that would only have basic arrows.
Also remove true damage.
Thanks god you aren't a Dev
@@vlegaras thanks for the constructive feedback.
i think this idea is okay but suits more the rogue poison spec as people have suggested before. Poison becomes an ability instead of a perk and you open a spellwheel for the different types. But hey whos to say it wouldnt work for ranger too, i just feel its a bit copy pasted from the rogue build idea.
@@drafman1 I’d never stumbled across talks about that for a rogue before, but it’s not uncommon for similar thoughts to occur between different people, especially when they’re targeted toward game mechanics.
That said, I feel like leaving rogue’s poison where it is is fine, as it already has a fully fleshed out playstyle that works with it.
My thoughts with giving the ranger a radial wheel with different coating for arrows is to give the class a way to still fit its role and be strong while also nerfing ranged damage.
There's absolutely nothing to suggest that ranger is 3x faster with the bow. Basekit ranger has 3% more action speed than a fighter and a single perk which increases the draw speed animation by 15%. Anything beyond that is just who is building more dex, which a fighter can totally do if they want and nullify any advantage the ranger might've had.
Hell yeah, lorr talking about mental toughness and resilience.
Way to use that platform for good.
Funny Toddfather calls you trash, he mainly only plays trios. If you ever 1vs1 him, 100% you'll win bro! Tbh solos is the true player skill in this game. Trios is mainly teamwork.
Toddfather is definitely a tier lower than the players he usually plays with which is the funny part lol
Todd “1v1s don’t take skill” Father shouldn’t have any opinions ever
@elephantguy0790 Less game sense maybe, if thirds arent really factored in. But that's a very important distinction he should've made.
hahahah have you seen that clown do 1v1s hes utter garbage
Lmao Todd is shit compared to thelor😂not even a comparison
Call out Toddfather to 1v1 him in gc, bros gonnalose his mind 😂😂😂
great video i watched the whole thing my favorite part was the 50 strength recurve bow
todd js mad cuz he got one fourth the subscribers
Was lookin for this comment😂 too true
toddfather try not to be insufferable challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
BRO FIRST FIGHT WAS DIABOLICAL 💀
Keep up the positivity brother. Your content is awesome.
I find it hilarious you do not know soft caps as much as you play haha. I respect it. Awesome video my guy
Coming a long way lorr, already at 23K subs keep going strong. You will get big one day! Love the vids as per usual.
I think you are the best Dark and Darker creator ever. I get all of my DaD info and knowledge from you, definitely one of the best players on this.
The other day when I saw you didn't even know inferno boss mechanics iwas caught off gaurd. Then I just realized you really were my pvp goat. Keep doing your thing lorr, I'm seriously here for it!!!
love the vids so much man I been binge watching these lol
i love the trio duo gameplay should do more of this love the vids man
I love the Lorr/Y4mi bromance ❤
based xbow take and bow take
That Barb at 14:47 just sat down :D he couldnt handle it anymore
Most underrated youtuber
Me, less than 1 minute into the video: We've been HAD!
Sounds like a you problem had me dying 🤣
I was the warlock
The only thing that sucks about this, is having to sacrifice move speed to be strong. You really do need 330 for the most part! Great video!
you know this build slaps when you see barbs just collapse
well an barb actually made him collapse.
bards are very well-known for using a bow & arrow in D&D lore, if im not mistaken
Big yes on every class having a bit of ranged weapon. I think they should add a sling for the few that don't.
hey bro ggs i was wizard in the first duo clip u played mad well
I fully agree with your thoughts on bow. A fighter having any of the bows is ridiculous. Even bards with a bow feels too strong with all their instruments as well
lorr not lying in a title? INSANE...
i love ur videos dude!
Ranger only class that can use bows.
Crossbows allowed for some other classes but not all.
Dagger master perk should give rogue an action speed bonus with daggers as well as current bonuses.
Daggers on non native classes should receive somewhere between -2 to -5 weapon damage.
And fighter should be able to use rapier and maybe a few other weapons without needing weapon mastery
unrelated, but the car in your profile pic is so clean. is than an FC?
@@VaporPunch hey thanks man, it looked way better in photos. Was my 240sx. Sold it almost a decade ago and got a skyline to replace it.
my first reaction to hearing that rangers should be the only class that can equip a bow was to go "no but wait...." and then i gave it some thought and you're 1000% correct
No, he isnt. You will not be able to physically compete and will just be out ranged 100 percent of the time due to rangers typically being faster than melee based classes.
This whole game is based around the "top dogs" knit picking what they want for the meta just so they can stay in power and never lose a single fight. You can't even give genuine constructive criticism to the game devs in discord, without getting banned.
They know their game has serious balancing issues and just go "oh well, git gud Ahahahahahahah hahahahaha"
best ranger in the world. Love your videos thelorr
i love the idea of every class being able to use a crossbow being a druid main with no ranged spells and being poked from range being the worst
bro please don’t talk horseshit you can close the distance in 0,5 seconds with that dumb ah class
bro your class is the problem lmao
Oh great so you want to be able to close the distance of an entire module in .5 seconds and crossbow from across the room. Druid is right where it should be.
Kid named dreamfire
yea.... 2 days ago i got bombed by a fucking druid hiding IN THE FUCKING ICE CAVERN ROOF ?!?!
IN FREAKING HIGH ROLLER HE BUMPED INTO ME AS A FUCKING PANTA AND 2 HIT ME ?!
and u really start crying about rangers ?
Ive said the same take before. Each class should have certain weapons specific to them. Bows for ranger, daggers for rogue, two-handers for bard etc. It would take some work to figure each one out tho.
Yo lorr, love the vids lad, can we get more duo / trio gameplay as we know you're a sick solo player
Love the vid man. You should do the same build but with a windlass with crossbow mastery.
10:15 crossbow barb wen tho
Yami and lorr combo is dank
Barbooian has a video on it, but once you start getting high phys power and less action speed, armor pen is a better stat over true phys
You could probably get more value (and save significantly more money) if you went with armor pen rolls on this set instead of true phys
i’ve BEEN SAYING dude ranger should be the only class with a bow. crossbow for every class is a great way to balance it out too.
as yes the fastest cloak for interaction "51% interaction speed"
Barb is getting the bola eventually as ranged!
Out of these builds what do u think is the most op personally?
guy wake up thelorr upload !
Bird 👍
awwww what a cute lil man you got there
Bro TheLorr is an Amazon parrot owner?! And I thought he couldn’t get cooler
well, just keep in mind you get some hp from strength as well as the power bonus, that's the difference
I'm somehow not surprised that you're a bird guy.
Toddfather getting carried by Poshypop calls people trash? Can't remember last time I saw him without a cleric carrying his ass.
I liked the part where you showed ur perks
What are your thoughts on Bhoping being removed?
idk what happened but i used to casually watch thelorr to watching him the pico second he comes out dudes fuckin hilarious
23:10 LMAO
I actually agree. Take away bows from everyone but ranger, give everyone access to crossbows, and this is coming from a fighter main.
Yo how do you type to people in a match???
enter lol
/w (person's name) (message)
@Neopopulist younoress enter to talk to your teammates not enemies your spectating lol
@@Toothydeere ty brotha
10:35 i mean yeah. rangers are incredibly limited compared to other classes, meanwhile the classes meant to be a jack-of-all-trades, and the support buffing class can just whip out a bow and by default perform better than the ranger in his own niche.
i love watching your videos and seeing you kill a rubysilver/gold fighter with pretty good gear for his build and saying, "you know what, its not bad". and then i watch a video from frwog and he killed someone in blue and green gear and says they are "sauced".
That would be so fun to play against!
so close to strength longbow video (fanfire 50% action speed perk and backstep)
@thelorr at 10:50 you shoot straight into a dark corner. All I see is pure black. I know you saw his footprints through to door, but how did you know he was right there enough to burn your skills before even turning the corner?
windows - display calibration - turn gamma on high
I think all class should be able use survival bow, but true dmg would need toned down or removed.
Rangers should be able to use crossbows better as its armor pen counters a plate user. Something like 50% action speed when swapping from a crossbow would make sense.
Bro you upgraded from bow to gun at this point
smite xbow "laughs in cleric" > :)
I'd be happy if ranger was the only class able to use a bow. Feels like the entire class identity is worthless if half the other classes can do the same core thing.
LORRRRRRR ❤❤❤❤
9:53 rangers shouldnt be the only ones. but bows need -physical damage bonus, ranger needs a perk to ignore that malus. that would be perfect.
how do you not run into 100 cutthroat rogues
Everything is op when you have 80% accuracy
lmfao I had Todd in one of my
Imagine Barbarian with crossbow using killing strike , sound nice
sounds like the most broken class in the game, no thanks.
you mean reckless attack...?
Havent tried 124 build ??
What the sigma
I’d recommend using a warden outfit over the copper light tunic, the move speed difference is 1 ms but u gain 40 more armour rating + agi which is abit of action speed
nah thats ass bruh, its only 30 more armor rating which is like 2% pdr which is basically nothing. and then ur 1 ms slower and have less action speed
1 agi is 0.2% action speed btw lol
@@drafman1 getting 1.3% action speed having a purple warden outfit ain’t bad as u can also get up to 2% on it bringing it up to 3.3% which is compared to the 3.8% on a purple doublet not bad, plus you’re getting like 8% pdr
@@DioBrando-iq9no30 armor us a lot more than 2% bro
Crossbows for Clerics!
I feel like bard should still be able to use surv bow. It makes them super weak if they don't have one.
50 strength is technically worse because it has diminishing returns, flat % damage is better and having str is good up until around 30 str then you just build % damage
rangers have the main stage when it comes to bows what do you even mean they reload long bows in .5 seconds, have perks and skills dedicated to making longbow better, they just need to give ranger 15 str and reduce the HP to wizard lvl or 14 str at least and rework traps completely
Jacked in the Box!!!
I think if you do the 49% bonus, and call it 50%, you’ll get more hate comments thus, more comments, happier algorithm, and more views? Haha idk.. another thing worth testing… unless you already have 😮
i've realized that there's a such thing as a bad opinion. good opinions are well-informed. and bad opinions are poorly-informed. the more you know yourself the less you let poorly-informed opinions affect you. if the opinion is well-informed, have the humility to accept it in your own way, and improve
All these people could be alive if only they had a shield in their hand. But no they watched a vid about how cool crystal sword fighter or longsword fighter is. Doesn't matter how cool it looks if you are dead mat :)
If every class can use a crossbow, I'd only play barb and cleric
You need to balance this game like a fighting game, give grapplers more tools to rush down zoners. If every class had a range option, Dnd would become an fps which it already predominantly is, we need to dip more into the melee category.
This build is disgusting lol. You're nuking these PDR fighters 😂
Ur only looking at it from a dmg perspective, but technically rangers do have bow highlight because ur the only class with bow abilities everyone else can only stack stats
Druids can get crossbow, sure I’ll just sit on top of the wall and cosplay as hitman with my 50 strength bet
Once you hit 35% you stack bonus.
God every time I watch you I’m convinced Ranger is the most cancerous class in the game
Lorr back at it with the clickbait, I watched and I didn’t even go insane
I kinda hope he knows we are just trolling in the comment about the clickbait thing 😅😂
You know crystal sword fighter is a problem when thats all youre facing in solos...
I am very confused why you didnt use forest hood.
They should buff ranger damage and remove the traps
Yea i agree about rangers and bows but i also feel the same way about rouges with daggers i feel like only rouges should have daggers other classes should play to their strong suits like fighter should not be running rondel daggers as meta
Blud spent all that gold and doesn't even know how physical damage bonus works 💀💀💀