Thank you so much I am learning a lot. By the way, Jesus' glory was seen by John and other disciples in his book he said "we have seen His glory..." John 1:14
@fernvaldevilla9145 Thank you for the encouraging feedback. And yes, the disciples did see the glory of Jesus, but not until the Resurrection and Ascension. In John 17:5 Jesus prayed, "And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed." Peter, James and John got a peek at the glory on the Mount of Transfiguration (Matt. 17). Thanks again for watching!
Jesus did what he did as a man anointed of God, "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth (the man) who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed of the devil." This was said by Peter in the book of Acts. Jesus operated by the gifts of the Spirit listed in 1st Corinthians 14. There are 3 gives that reveal something, 3 that say something and 3 that do something. The Word of Wisdom, the Word of Knowledge, etc.. are reveling gifts and reveal information or wisdom that the Holy Spirit wants us to have. Jesus saw Nathanial before hand when he was under the fig tree by a, vision given by the Holy Spirit, not because he had special all-knowing ability as God. The same is true of prophets in the OT that is why they were called Seers in the Old Testament because the prophets by the Holy Spirit "would see things" just like Samuel knew what happened to Saul's donkeys. Jesus did no miracles nor did he minister to anyone until he was was filled with the Holy Spirit. Jesus did not commit himself to man because he knew what was in man and he knew men. The same could be said that we know all men are short of the Glory of God or corrupted or corrupt. This does not mean he knew everything about everyone, he only knew what the Father showed him through the Holy Spirit (gifts of the Spirit), that is why he needed to ask, who touched me? Or how long has this boy had this devil and the dad answered and stated the time frame of the child. Jesus did what he did as a man anointed of God, that is why he said the works that I do shall you do and even greater (greater in number not in ability) because we believers are to be anointed of God and go and do by the Holy Spirit the works that Jesus did. Jesus said he said what he heard His Father Say, he also said his doctrine was not his own but the doctrine of him (God) who sent him. It was the man part of Jesus that did what he did as a man while being God but he did not use any special attributes of God in order to do what he did.
The true teaching of Christ's Kenosis is to be found at my Orthodox Catholic Apostolic Church. The true Kenosis of "us" men as a nessecary step towards Theosis ad well. It isn't even a Theory, it is already found in the bible as well. In order to understand it must not be understood in Protestant "I discover with my perception" way.
Chalcedon was wrong on so many issues. Jesus was God in his spiritual identity of the Logos. He did miracles by the Father in him. He didn't pretend to be a baby. He was a baby. He was a man, with the spiritual identity of the Logos, having the Holy Spirit without measure, being fully God in this way. Plus he had the DNA of the Father. He did not have his attributes of deity, except that Logos Spirit. Do do so would mean he could glorify himself, which he said was nothing and useless. It was the Father who glorified him. As such he was a perfect man. There is no issue of separation or intermingling of natures! That is barking up the wrong tree. He really didn't know the day and hour of his return. He couldn't just pop over to his "divine nature" and find out. That would be nonsense. To say he had his divine attributes is unbiblical. He did all miracles by the Holy Spirit, the Father working in him. Now in his exalted state, he has all attributes back again.
@Mike, thanks for watching and responding. This is indeed a challenging issue to wrap our minds around. You final statement seems to indicate you believe Jesus was God after his ascension. If I may ask: Was Jesus God before the incarnation? Did he cease to be so at the incarnation? John 1:1 is clear he was indeed God before the incarnation. Col. 2:9 indicates that He had ALL the fullness of God in bodily form. The kenosis ("emptying") seems to explain, at least in part, why he did not claim knowledge of the end. Thanks again for watching.
@@avianobaptistchurch Thanks for replying. To answer Jesus was always God in his identity of the Logos made into a man. That identity stayed with him. He was given the Holy Spirit without measure, so all of the Godhead dwelt in him. The Father did his works through the HS who was in Jesus. He was in the Father and the Father in him. I would doubt he had the HS before his baptism (after his incarnation), since John testified he saw the HS come upon Him and remain. Plus he did no miracles as a child. But even with all of this, he did not know the time of his return; the Father did not reveal that to him. So even though he had the fulness (maybe in power?), that was not his knowledge. I believe he was God before, during, and after his Incarnation, but had his attributes of deity returned to him after his ascension. I'm not sure what else can we conclude by what is written about him. What we want to avoid is a Nestorian view of him having two complete natures.
Thank you so much I am learning a lot. By the way, Jesus' glory was seen by John and other disciples in his book he said "we have seen His glory..." John 1:14
@fernvaldevilla9145 Thank you for the encouraging feedback. And yes, the disciples did see the glory of Jesus, but not until the Resurrection and Ascension. In John 17:5 Jesus prayed, "And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed." Peter, James and John got a peek at the glory on the Mount of Transfiguration (Matt. 17). Thanks again for watching!
Jesus did what he did as a man anointed of God, "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth (the man) who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed of the devil." This was said by Peter in the book of Acts. Jesus operated by the gifts of the Spirit listed in 1st Corinthians 14. There are 3 gives that reveal something, 3 that say something and 3 that do something. The Word of Wisdom, the Word of Knowledge, etc.. are reveling gifts and reveal information or wisdom that the Holy Spirit wants us to have. Jesus saw Nathanial before hand when he was under the fig tree by a, vision given by the Holy Spirit, not because he had special all-knowing ability as God. The same is true of prophets in the OT that is why they were called Seers in the Old Testament because the prophets by the Holy Spirit "would see things" just like Samuel knew what happened to Saul's donkeys. Jesus did no miracles nor did he minister to anyone until he was was filled with the Holy Spirit. Jesus did not commit himself to man because he knew what was in man and he knew men. The same could be said that we know all men are short of the Glory of God or corrupted or corrupt. This does not mean he knew everything about everyone, he only knew what the Father showed him through the Holy Spirit (gifts of the Spirit), that is why he needed to ask, who touched me? Or how long has this boy had this devil and the dad answered and stated the time frame of the child. Jesus did what he did as a man anointed of God, that is why he said the works that I do shall you do and even greater (greater in number not in ability) because we believers are to be anointed of God and go and do by the Holy Spirit the works that Jesus did. Jesus said he said what he heard His Father Say, he also said his doctrine was not his own but the doctrine of him (God) who sent him. It was the man part of Jesus that did what he did as a man while being God but he did not use any special attributes of God in order to do what he did.
The true teaching of Christ's Kenosis is to be found at my Orthodox Catholic Apostolic Church. The true Kenosis of "us" men as a nessecary step towards Theosis ad well. It isn't even a Theory, it is already found in the bible as well. In order to understand it must not be understood in Protestant "I discover with my perception" way.
veiled in flesh
Chalcedon was wrong on so many issues. Jesus was God in his spiritual identity of the Logos. He did miracles by the Father in him. He didn't pretend to be a baby. He was a baby. He was a man, with the spiritual identity of the Logos, having the Holy Spirit without measure, being fully God in this way. Plus he had the DNA of the Father. He did not have his attributes of deity, except that Logos Spirit. Do do so would mean he could glorify himself, which he said was nothing and useless. It was the Father who glorified him. As such he was a perfect man. There is no issue of separation or intermingling of natures! That is barking up the wrong tree. He really didn't know the day and hour of his return. He couldn't just pop over to his "divine nature" and find out. That would be nonsense. To say he had his divine attributes is unbiblical. He did all miracles by the Holy Spirit, the Father working in him. Now in his exalted state, he has all attributes back again.
@Mike, thanks for watching and responding. This is indeed a challenging issue to wrap our minds around. You final statement seems to indicate you believe Jesus was God after his ascension. If I may ask: Was Jesus God before the incarnation? Did he cease to be so at the incarnation? John 1:1 is clear he was indeed God before the incarnation. Col. 2:9 indicates that He had ALL the fullness of God in bodily form. The kenosis ("emptying") seems to explain, at least in part, why he did not claim knowledge of the end. Thanks again for watching.
@@avianobaptistchurch Thanks for replying. To answer Jesus was always God in his identity of the Logos made into a man. That identity stayed with him. He was given the Holy Spirit without measure, so all of the Godhead dwelt in him. The Father did his works through the HS who was in Jesus. He was in the Father and the Father in him. I would doubt he had the HS before his baptism (after his incarnation), since John testified he saw the HS come upon Him and remain. Plus he did no miracles as a child. But even with all of this, he did not know the time of his return; the Father did not reveal that to him. So even though he had the fulness (maybe in power?), that was not his knowledge. I believe he was God before, during, and after his Incarnation, but had his attributes of deity returned to him after his ascension. I'm not sure what else can we conclude by what is written about him. What we want to avoid is a Nestorian view of him having two complete natures.