You're an absolute legend, sonny. Being somewhat of a public figure and still having the ability to change your political views instead of being a stubborn cock is something everyone should be able to respect.
I used to love anti-sjw and “feminism destroyed” videos, I used to unironically support a lot of Alt-right ideas just ‘cause it was supported by the memes I used to consume.
But why spend time being annoyed when you can talk about the issues you do care about? I don't understand that mentality. It's better to whine about people talking about things you don't want them to than to do something yourself? I often see people claim that "this is not important!" but they can't stop clicking on it anyway. At some point it becomes hypocritical. They want other people to talk about stuff they don't even talk about themselves. I have also seen men go completely insane and actually threaten their opponents because they got so angry at them for talking about non-important stuff. If it really wasn't important then why the fuck do they get so angry that they threaten? These people seem irrational. I never get annoyed or mad at people for talking about stuff I deem unimportant. It seems controlling.
I find some humour in the thought that the American left in part created the very thing they so despise, the alt-right. Politics isn't just about being correct, it's about being convincing. Some of the tactics that parts of the left have employed are so asinine it's mind-boggling. In particular the aggressive labelling has pushed so many people away from their cause. For example, sexist remarks in the game community; calling all gamers sexists is not going to solve the issue, it's merely going to exacerbate it. One can't just come in guns blazing into a (sub)culture and demand a massive cultural change to occur over the night. Much like magnetic flux, this causes cultural flux. Another instance, if you believe the current system to be patriarchal in nature don't just attack every men in the system and expect them to listen to your argumentation. You'll only convince those that already agreed with you, and push the before neutral public away from your cause. This is completely separated from the points argued being "correct" for society, the methods used are just foolishly polarising, destructive and plain stupid. Not to say that the American right is much better at this, but they were on the defensive. It was real easy to dismantle all those "sjw videos" because they were all, aside from their core beliefs, using terrible argumentative strategies.
I’m a high school teacher and noticed some of my students (mostly straight boys) flirt w/ similar reactionary politics that skewed toward the alt-right circa 2016. They’d be combative anytime we discussed issues like racism and sexism in my class & send me RUclips videos w/ anti-SJW rhetoric so I understand the “truth.” Many of these boys have since turned around or at least gained a broader context & healthier skepticism against this strand of Internet culture, and I think it’s in part to a segment of internet communities owning up to their complicity in the pipeline & speaking out against it. Thank you for leveraging your own experience in a way that not only articulates the frustrations & psychology behind what tempted you down the pipeline, but also for using your platform to push back against this form of radicalization.
I have a theory that people who fall down the pipeline are either privileged straight boys who haven't developed any empathy, or, in my case, repressed homosexuals struggling to come to terms with their identity.
@@MrCmon113 maybe so, but that comment was created per my own experience with that alt right. the whole reason i escaped was the development of empathy, and actually listening to the marginalized groups in society instead of the privileged ones.
@Taxtro I have to disagree. While technically they aren’t about empathy, you can notice a lot of patterns. The left is more willing to listen to marginalized groups (although the actions they take can be extremely unhelpful/ignorant) and empathize with their experiences, while the right likes to pretend we’re all equal and refuses to recognize that marginalized groups are still at a disadvantage. I can’t name one conservative who’s ever talked about bipoc/gay issues with empathy.
As a black british woman, not sure why youtube recommended this but i stayed and listened. Interesting to hear how others in the wider world think and their journey. Bless you, thanks for sharing!
Carey If I may ask, what are your thoughts? I would like to hear of the opinions about conservatives/Republicans and the general political climate here from an outside perspective.
Im in Coventry UK and RUclips recommended this randomly to me too. It's amazing that how different but still abhorrent British and American conservatives are. There's consistency in their cruelty.
@@ijunglistwilliams8659 Conservatism is a grift. They never promise on their populist policies and blame the Left for this while going unscathed by their own electorate. Instead the electorate are bombarded with propaganda that the Left (no distinction is made and they lump us all together as if we all believe the same things) is going to take away their rights. Vaguely this amounts to having their guns and religion taken from them and that somehow immigrants are the problem. The latter is what literally drove Brexit too, so it works. These are the 3 driving points for decades and then Trump came along and opened a whole host of wounds in this country thought to be healing, although not scab free, and ripped them open with a machete. If I understood you correctly you asked what the opinion of Conservatism is from a POC standpoint. I think they are still living in the 1950s. Immigration is the new Mccarthyism. Internally they don't actually believe the values they preach are for POC and they have done nothing to reach out to them other than vilify them and treat them as the "other". This all boils down to what I personally believe Conservatism in the end to be: a front for White Supremacy. They don't have to goose step or burn crosses on lawns to express this. Their history does however show this to be the case in varying degrees.
@@goroakechi6126 Not the OP but also a black British woman. I won't lie and pretend the British perception of American politics is particularly positive. It's not. We cannot relate to the extensive gun control issues, or the police brutality we see in the news, and even amongst our conservatives Trump is not very popular. For the most part though your political system is so foreign and different to our own we don't really weigh in much unless it's something sensational, though we are acutely aware your political decisions ultimately effect us regardless.
I got out of the alt right pipeline simply by being bisexual. It’s honestly scary how I could’ve been so hateful when I look at how my brother kept going down and ended up calling me evil for dating a trans girl
@@jaidenrobidas2545 Yea you could probably edit your comment and make it a little less ambiguous because it does read like you realized you were bi because you were attracted to your brother lmao. I assumed that wasn't what you meant but it does look like it 😅
@Malum Don't really know how you substantiate that claim especially since 50% of gamers are women now a days. If anything a small loud vocal minority gets most of the attention but lets be real, the gaming population trends young as in millennials and zoomers make up the largest portion of gaming, therefore we can even make an inference that a large portion of this population also plays game since that is one of the largest past time for children. With that premise you can easily conclude that there are a large population of gamers in the new generation that are women who hold leftist ideas.
@@dominicwallington9568 dude even forgot sonic fox, a gay furry won evo. And have you seen the pro players? Show me one who hair isn't dye. From league to fortnite. This guy is definitely delusional.
This proves again that people aren't inherently bad, they're products of their environment. Almost anyone can fall down the rabbit hole. It's easy to think that everything bad that's happening is the work of a few bad apples, but the world is insanely complex.
You're right. In 2015, I was 25 years old, almost done with university and still got sucked into this pipeline to the point of watching Joe Rogan interviewing Jordan Peterson and thinking: "This is pretty profound stuff". If all of this had been around when I was 18 and more naive, there's a good chance I would have ended up somewhere in the alt-right. This really can happen to any impressionable young person who isn't feeling all that great about their life (which is pretty normal in the current state of the world). Doesn't at all mean they're bad people. I'm glad a lot of young guys (as it's mostly guys) are getting out of it now. All that stuff is so bad for your mental health... They deserve better than being used as pawns in some messed up attempt at unleashing a race war.
@@TheDionysianFields I probably wrongly assumed some things to be common knowledge, at least on RUclips. My bad, I'll try to explain myself now. Joe Rogan is widely considered a centrist (maybe left of centre) who has some clearly left leaning beliefs, but who also has a track record of displaying a certain political and social ignorance which is frowned upon by a lot of leftists. In addition to that, from 2015 up to 2018 (which is when I watched his show) he has platformed some alt-right people like Milo Yiannopoulos, Ben Shapiro or Gavin McInnes and given them waaay too much benefit of the doubt during those conversations (mostly because he's just not that well read on politics let alone philosophy). This is why Joe Rogan is not considered to be alt-right, but a gateway to more alt-right 'thinkers' for some people. In the comment sections of his videos with one of the aforementioned people, it's not hard to find outright bigoted and antisemitic rhetoric. Jordan Peterson is widely considered to be a Christian conservative who's talking points appeal to young white men with mental health issues (he is a psychologist, after all). As I said, at a dark period in my life I considered his message to be profound. On a personal level, some of his stuff about owning up to your responsibilities and not making excuses, those messages still ring true to me. But it's not hard to see how these personal self help tips could lead to major problems if you extrapolate them to society as a whole. Then, Petersons world is one in which only the strongest top lobsters survive and all the others simply didn't try hard enough. One in which 'cultural marxists' are to blame for society's issues and women can only be as feminist as men deem healthy for them. One in which you're only allowed to have an opinion about politics if you've cleaned your room first. This is a deeply conservative world view and if you adhere to it, you're at least halfway down the alt-right pipeline. Yes, he condemns the alt-right, but usually follows it up with 'but the marxists are just as bad!' (maybe he doesn't anymore nowadays, in which case: good). In his debate with Slavoj Zizek, Peterson demonstrates not even the slightest grasp of what marxism is, video's by Cuck Philosophy show how little he understands of post-modernism even though he talks about it all the time. Hannah and Jake's video series on 12 Rules for Life explains very well how his self help stuff is basically Christian propaganda flavored with overly vague pseudo-academical brabble. Still, his content might be better than 95 per cent of the stuff on RUclips, but is that really an achievement to be proud of? All of the above I wrongly considered common knowledge. I meant my comment as saying I didn't become alt-right, but at least was drawn towards conservative viewpoints much in the same was as was described in this video. I just didn't get sucked in as far as some others. I'm sorry for the confusion, I hope this clears it up.
exactly these types of videos are toxic and people ended up following them and not realizing how bad they really are. i used to watch ben shapiro almost all the time. and now i stop
@@luvmewoad3484 Just to clarify: "happening upon differing viewpoints" is not what I meant by "falling down the rabbit hole". In fact, I strongly encourage checking out as many differing views as possible to make an informed choice. What I meant here by "falling down the rabbit hole" is diving deeper and deeper into views that are false or harmful.
I'm a lesbian who was turned onto the anti-sjw movement because of the lgbt political stereotypes people tried to force me into. i never wandered far enough into the alt-right because of the rampant homophobia and racism (my best friends growing up were all non-white, I couldn't betray them like that), but I did sympathize with the "everyone can have an opinion" narrative. while it's true that everyone can have an opinion, people should suffer the consequences for their opinions. i was an anti-feminist "egalitarian," but I realized later that I can be a feminist while disagreeing with the more radical side of the movement. I am very left-leaning and much more skeptical of everything I hear nowadays. glad u got outta there dude! edit: this is really fun to come back to like a couple years later, cause now i identify as a trans man lol. i was very deep into transmedicalism due to the popularity of the ideology in the trans community and convinced myself that i wasn't trans enough to be trans. i went back and watched a few videos of people who weren't transmedicalists anymore and stumbled upon this comment of mine. just thought it'd be an interesting perspective of sorts. cheers on not being transphobic towards myself anymore :)
The alt-"right' are actually leftists in disguise. Don't be fooled by the name. What they stand for is leftist policies of control of the people through the State. That is leftism in a nutshell. Alt-"right" is a Big Lie.
@@MsMuffetsTuffet Oh! I get it! So what it really is, is a catch 22 deceptive conspiracy created by the radical left to, controlled by..... Just stop. Juuuuuuuuuuuust stop. People on the left who want social acceptance for people in marginalized groups, did not start their own fucking smear campaigns, do not make abusive meme campaigns to harm those groups, they do not ironically vote for Trump.. so just stop. Those sorts of mental gymnastics to constantly make the left the boogie man are factually incorrect, and you know that. I would hope you know that. Events like the, "unite the right," rally were not leftist conspiracies. Whoever told you that, is deeply and shamelessly manipulative.
@Nick Bacigalupo A fascist march about white supremacy during this administration, is precisely the kind of thing that keeps anti-fascist and racial rights groups relevant. Do you think this is just spontaneous and in no way related to things getting more overtly more racist and fascist since this goon took office? There were a Lot of people fooled into thinking there was a, "great replacement," to worry about.. and they had a rally, during this administration. The people who attended that rally are still around, the vast majority still participating in racial discrimination and fascist sentiment. Those are undoubtedly among and boosting the same voices saying, "Yeah, Floyd was just a thug. He didn't deserve 4th and 5th amendment protection. Forget about those. It's time for ACTION! It's time to be violent against minorities and the left!" ...And since those voices are still Very present, and leadership agrees with them.. then leadership, and those who protect it, need to be fought. Of course that's going to be ugly as hell.. it's been baited to be this entire administration. So yeah.. it's pertinent and relevant today.
@Nick Bacigalupo More people have died as a result of far right extremism and domestic terrorism, but that's irrelevant, right? People dying at the hands of police that don't face appropriate charges.. would that also be irrelevant? As if this exists in a vacuum, or the causes are equal here. "The fellas who had the fascist race riot filled out paperwork, and only 1 person died, so they're the good guys."
Being a girl and laughing at the anti sjw compilations and defending guys in arguments abt feminism made me feel great. Being a pick me girl was a dark time in my life. The validation was great lmao
@@Geminisparkles It depends on which version of feminism we are talking about. Second wave TERFs are absolutely against men, which is why they hate trans people so much they see trans-women as essentially men trying to infiltrate women's spaces for nefarious reasons. Third/fourth wave intersectional feminism is on the side of men too though because it recognizes that society needs both women and men to succeed to be healthy. So it's absolutely ok to defend men from the TERFs but if they are the alt-right "alpha" men the see women as objects to be controlled and dominated that's another story.
Same here and I'm Black on top. So much internalization. Now i watch those vids and realize how brave and right the ppl being made fun of were. Ben Shapiro, Milo, Jordan, etc etc and then i realized more about myself and woke up. Asked myself what do I actually stand for? Now I'm super radically left leaning but not in the way ppl would assume regarding government types i would prefer
There's a diff between criticism and screaming "____ist/phobe" and "REEEEEEE". Being angry doesn't equal being right. Somewhere in the last 6 years people forgot this.
That’s not even true but when you say Trump is a racist, xenophobic homophobe and that’s why you didn’t vote for him that makes it pretty likely you are one
@Jack Schitt No not really, I don't know if that really happened to you specifically but "anti -sjw"s typically rejoice at the sign of someone not liking Trump for a legit reason. TDS insult only comes out when they irrationally hate on Trump or just mindlessly repeat the mainstream media's hate boner rhetoric.
Brother, I don't even know if you realize how beautiful of an act this is. I am a 6'3 gay black man who lives in LA, and I felt like you were a preacher and I was in church. What a lovely kind way to show people who are also broken (as we all are) that there is a way out. I have been grappling politically and emotionally for the last few years and I really appreciate how you shined a light on your self and allowed others to feel comfort in the wake. Thank you. Thank you.
I'm a white, hetero male and I want to thank you for your reply and to tell you that you and your life matter to me. First it matters because you're a Black man in a country that has and still treats you as a service closed citizen. Second: you're gay and I understand the difficulties you face there as well. My nephew coffee to end his life because he was white, gay and lived in the South where the persecution was too intense. His death taught me one major thing, those who hold their tongue and remain silent are complicit in those crimes. Only those who are vocal advocates and advocate for true acceptance and equality can truly claim to believe in a better country and a desire to make America great.
@@OldGuyStudent thank you for the response. It's completely admirable to find people that are understanding of the 21st century at your age and I respect that
I’m an Indian man and when I was 19 I fell deep down this alt right rabbit hole. Those SJW compilations, Ben Shapiro owned compilations, and things of the sort really skew your perspective of politics. It wasn’t until I started associating with these people and noticed their deeply ingrained racism for Indians that I realized I was on the wrong side of things. If I want to be treated with respect as an Indian, I must be willing to respect those that identify as gay, female, trans, and other minorities as well. That’s how I transitioned from the right to the left
@@chaseasam7155 It's a bunch of hyper conservative talking points where nothing said is based in reality or would ever benefit the population in any way, funded by the Koch brothers and other mega rich groups doing everything they can to deceive the conservative population to vote against their own self interests and benefit only the wealthy.
There's an alt right pipeline not only for young white guys, but for poc and lgbt people. Lots of us have a story about it especially considering how sticky anti sjw stuff was in the past decade
Very true, though I’d still say being a poc prevented me from going too far down the rabbit hole. At some point they can’t help but be openly racist and that snapped me out of it real quick.
Man as a trans, gay, Mexican guy I found myself falling down the pipeline for a second. I began interacting with trans scum content and a lot of things similar. I began disliking xenogenders and neopronouns and even began thinking of my online friends as stupid for using xe/xem pronouns. I even started watching some Ben Shapiro videos where he reacts to "woke" tiktoks or whatever. I think I was doing it for validation over anything else, I was tired of being ostracized and wanted to feel normal despite my sexuality. Now I've come more at terms with myself and don't feel the need to hide who I am. Even if I don't understand certain things it never hurts to be kind and accept someone. We're all people at the end of the day.
God yeah, I remember when Kalvin Garrah and Blaire White were still super popular within the online trans community. They've mostly fallen off at this point, but those were wild times
I'm trans, and I used to watch a lot of Kalvin Garrah and Blaire White stuff. I had issues with my identity at the time, being raised in a hateful Catholic community (not saying all Catholics are like that) I hated myself for being trans. I think I wanted to feel better than the stereotypical trans person, that I was a real man, and all the people comfortable with their femininity were lesser than. I hated the thought that all these people didn't have to be macho masculine to get their identity taken seriously. Point is, the alt-right will play into your own insecurities. You think for a second that you belong in a community, that you'll be considered 'one of the good ones' amongst your peers if you just promote self-hatred. While it is more likely that young, insecure white guys are going to fall down the pipeline that's not always the case.
its weird how neonazis will always get the 'they are just trolling' treatment. but SJWs, when they do something cringey, are always taken for being 100% serious. also, big congrats on getting out of the alt-right.
Contrapoints, she and another Spanish youtuber named "Quetzal" pulled me out of the alt right pipeline. Contrapoints' video about "transtrenders" literally killed my transphobia.
@@b1378-v1y De hecho no, considero que sus videos son realmente buenos e interesantes. Pero estoy abierta a otras opciones, ¿Me recomiendas alguna? Pero si soy partidaria de #EatTheRich
@CLAUDIA DE LOS ANGELES IRRIBARRA RODRIGUEZ Well I was pretty transphobic towards nb trans people (which they are totally valid 💜 and now I'm ashamed about my past thoughts) but the "trenders" video from Contra changed my whole perspective about them. If you are asking me about nb youtubers, then I really don't follow anyone because I haven't seen anyone who catched my attention. But if you know about nb youtubers, then can you recomend some to me?
@@God-ch8lq I used to be part of an anarchy server run by my friend. relatively small, and he really didn't do anything in the ways of moderation. One time I log on and the ENTIRE SPAWN is claimed by some faction who built a wall around the whole thing so no new players could escape.
This might sound bad but I am a black guy who almost fell down the rabbit hole hearing about feminism, but I realized the same people that agreed with me about feminism being trash were also racist
Same here. Thought it was funny to be a 14 yr old Edgelord. I complained about every woman in a movie being feminist propaganda, I hated any even remotely left, and I became a Trump supporter. Then I realized that most people who agreed with me were fellow 14 yr old edge lords who embraced their intolerance. I stopped believing in science, everything that came from the left was a lie, etc, etc.
This assumption that "everyone on the Internet was Liberal" is so relatable. I used to think the same, and the realization that it wasn't true really shattered my world view when it happened. :(
I feel like this was me, except just life in general. When I was a kid i was only listening to my family’s beliefs which were liberal, and I didn’t talk with anybody else about it so I assumed almost everybody had those views. When I became to really understand how it was I was shocked.
Being a white guy it’s unsettling how familiar and relatable your story is. It was so easy back then to fall down the pipelines of hateful content that would cater towards you. I can remember most of my school friends all having those same sexist or homophobic views during our early years of high school. I think I was lucky in a sense to break out of this cycle early when I realised I was gay and that half those videos I’d been watching actually targeted me as well. That’s what helped me realise how wrong they all were at first and led me to wanting to defend the rights of other lgbtq people, people of colour and women. It took awhile but I was even able to convince my friends of how fucked up a lot of the stuff we’d previously watched and talked about was. But it just makes me think how long I might’ve been stuck in that cycle of I wasn’t gay and I can definitely see how vulnerable a lot of straight white guys are to being sucked into that toxic mindset when you don’t have something like I did to realise how wrong it was. So honestly big kudos to anyone how went though that and was able to break free of it
I grew up with a liberal "eat the rich" dad and somehow I fell into the rabbit hole too. What a cringy point in my life. Now we joke about eating Jeff Bezos on the daily.
@@skepticmoderate5790 who tf are you? He owns the Washington post why wouldn't right wing people be opposed to him? Also you probably have had your programming updated by the post so chill commie
I was raised far right. Both my parents and sister are incredibly far right. What pulled me out of it was skateboarding, and punk music. Funnily enough, skateboarding is one of the most toxic communities, despite being “open minded”.
My dad is pretty conservative and my mom is a weird mix of liberal and conservative. I'm a leftist. I don't know how this happened lol. Probably the internet let's be honest ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I sniffed the justifying homophobia a mile away after a while and then figuring out I was queer made me not able to really stand that community anymore
Actually I'm black, I use to be conservative and etc. I was blinded by people ben shapiro and etc. I was younger and didn't realize injustice and discrimination. I had always watched videos of leftist and liberals yelling at the top of their lungs, so naturally me being in middle school and easily persuaded I sided with the conservatives. Now I'm in highschool and I see the problem and I see what's really going on in America.
@@captar7601 literally the same with me, I'm a senior now but in freshmen year I found hunter avalone and Ben Shapiro and got into that echo chamber which is super toxic
I had the exact same thing lol, laughing at SJWs in middle school and realizing the ppl those losers were distracting from had actual issues and valid complaints w the country
Nilly Sigger Teenagers trying to find their identity?! Gosh this must be a new thing! Dem darn trends. Who’s heard of fazes? My problem with this line of thinking is I see a lot more people complaining about trans-trending than actual trans-trenders. This kind of stuff is what kept me locked in a closet for so long.
I'm a black and asian female and fell into the alt-right hellhole as well. There's so many things that contributed to it, but the biggest thing was my exposure to social media in HS. It was around this time I got my first smartphone, so that was my first deep dive into the internet. I can just say this was the darkest time of my life, for I hated myself for being female and for questioning my sexuality. It's comforting to see another person talking about this.
Same, I’m a black woman with immigrant parents and I also went down the right-wing hell hole. I was 15! 🥲 I feel is dumb honestly. But I relate to your experience
same here i was like 12 when it happened, i’m really ashamed abt it and if i could go back in time i would hospitalize myself for the shit i said and stood for. i was so misogynistic because i was “not like other girls” and it just makes me so fucking angry to know that i used to be like that, if i could go back in time i would murder myself or something i just really hate that and i wish i could erase that version of me from existence. it didn’t help that my social media at the time was basically an echo chamber because i only had pinterest, youtube, and discord. thankfully i got outta the whole anti-everything-that-is-left-leaning phase in like 8th grade and now i’m slightly less miserable and basically everything i didn’t support i am now in support of and seeing that the youtubers that started my transition into that alt right phase start to become more left leaning makes me feel good because they actually grew as people. tl;dr, i went from mini candace owens (age 12-13) to a better version of myself (14-16 (present))
Same with me. Im black and nonbinary and i honestly feel so stupid looking back to when i thought like that. All my friends were just racist white boys that i would let use and call me the n word because i thought my life didn't matter. I felt like because I was black i was automatically inferior.
Xanderhal, Irrespective if you even read this I wanted to thank you - thank you for being the first step in my own escape from the Alt Right pipeline. This video was literally the first thing that kicked off my own journey back to reason. At the time, around 1.5 years ago (shortly after you posted this video), I was already quite deep into Harris, Peterson and Shapiro type content, my own thoughts and beliefs clouded by skepticisms and denials of gender, race and social inequalities - it was a matter of time before I would take the next step and open myself up to further right-wing ideas. By mere chance and some luck, there was still a tiny part in my brain that encouraged me to keep an open mind and be willing "listen to the other side" one last time - which is why I watched this video. From there on, the Destiny-Jon Tron video pushed me more towards Destiny and later Vaush's content which further made me realize just how flawed, manipulative and outright wrong the ideas I previously held were. My story's nothing staggering or special compared to some other people's, but I'm just so happy to be where I am now in regards to my state of mind and beliefs that I just felt compelled to share this and thank you for putting this content out there. Otherwise, I don't know what I'd be like today.
I think the main take away here is that RUclips algorithm sucks. Once you even got a glimpse of a rabbit hole, they will push you further and further down without you realizing.
Yeah, and it seems to be always the right wing stuff they recommend first. I didn’t search it up first. But I did search um my current left wing views.
I agree, clicked on this video just to see what it is and now all I'm getting is the same "SJW owned" stuff yet now its "AnCap owned" or "Nazi owned", going through the comments all I can really see is people went down the right rabbit hole and something happened and they went into the left rabbit hole. It's sad to see, reminds me of why I quit going on this god forsaken platform in the first place
@@amurrjuan The Algorithm probably changed over time, but I don't think I've ever gotten right wing stuff recommended to me and a whole lot of left wing stuff is thrown onto me. Which is fine, I'm a leftist, but sometimes I just want to watch cat videos instead of rants about important things xD
@@curtiss__holley I think you probably should get off of YT. If you can't tell a Nazi from a anti-Nazi you may have little ability to make any decision.
I grew up a Republican (unfortunately), and my entire family (full of registered Republicans) gained suspicion around 2019 and 2020. We are devout Christians in the LDS Church. We actually voted against Trump in 2020 and was the most American thing I've ever done. We put country over party, and ended up leaving the party after the Jan 6 terrorist attack orchestrated by Trump. We gave it a year or two to see if the Republican Party will redeem themselves and abandon Trump. But they clearly did not. The party slowly became less of a party and more of a cult and I will never EVER associate myself as a Republican again. I am so lucky I escaped the Republican cult. I can be a devout Christian AND proudly support America by voting for Kamala Harris in 2024.
Congratulations! I wish it wasn’t the case and that both parties were in support of democracy, our American people and the rule of law but, unfortunately times have changed in the last decade. It’s hard to shake part of your identity like that so, again, congratulations! You deserve it and so does your family
While I am now more left leaning, I left the anti-SJW movement when they started to bitch at everything like SJWs and I realized they are just the exact same
@@existenceispain4333 That's mostly because a terrible human is a terrible human, no matter their beliefs. The only real difference between right-wingers and libtards is how much idiocy they're willing to vote for. Screeching manhater feminist? Yeah no liberals are going to vote them into politics. Screaching gay-hating evangelical? Hah! Right-wingers will vote for that in a heartbeat, anything to pwn the libs.
I did the same with anti feminism. I don't think that feminism really has a reason to exist anymore because I think it did its job and as far as I know women have equal rights. However, a few months ago I kind of woke up and realized that many in the anti feminist community don't really have women's best interest. I have seen many anti feminists talk about how life would be so much better if women would just stay home and raise kids. I've seen how many of them act like women are just out to get them. Don't even get me started on the MGTOW guys. Yuck. I've since then learned that I don't have to subscribe to a movement like feminism or anti feminism in order to believe in the values that they have. I think men and women are both equal in value and I think they both have problems that need to be adressed.
@@Marth592 agreed, honestly. even when i fell down the pipeline, i could see that mgtow was a sack of shit lmfao. though, i still label myself a feminist because abortion rights and all.
And all of us probably used to joke abt how asians are all the same lmao, I miss the vibe of being so naive, but fuck man, no way im going back to being that lost. And god I thought of myself as such a fucking smartass, the only good thing about it is that now, I got a bunch of JP whorshipping andrew tate gatekeepers all around me, I have a chance to redeem myself and talks have been interesting lately. They constantly cut whatever moment short to reference tate or other idiots, then tell me i'm the one who seeks to talk about politics, and i won't lie, it's funny as fuck to see a bunch of guys that listen to rap and dress casually and clearly wanna be progressives but are too scared of denying the capitalist machine, the hypocrisy of wanting to say slurs so bad for no reason but only feeling like doing it when our non white/gay/female friends aren't around. They clearly know the implications of saying things, they will argue that saying that doesnt make you a bigot because you can say it as a joke but still choose not to say it because they are simultaneously aware that it WILL cause discomfort. So they recognize the leftist concept that the word is oppressive, why want to say it so bad? It's like, I can say Heil Hitler as a joke but I've gone my whole life without actually saying that to anyone because guess what, that wouldn't sit well with most people, should I say it's a violation of my freedom then? conservatives dont do research it's discouraging.
I was pregnant with a girl in 2016. I have never hated this country more. It's bizarre how people gaslight you and say you are not experiencing mistreatment while they actively mistreat you. I was listening to a man who would become the president brag about sexually assaulting women and I did NOT want to raise my daughter here. I hope we can all learn from this time period.
Stories like these are really critical for deradicalizing young men, and making sure it doesn't happen to boys in the first place. Thanks for sharing this.
Bless your heart, this is so helpful to me as a feminist I’m trying to learn not to be so harsh with young people who seem so lost in their views because that only pushes them further into the rabbit hole
@so so there is no such things as a wage gap or any laws which favor any sex in any particular way. Jesus christ just watch an economics video for once.
its crazy how strong confirmation bias is, people will literally surround themselves with people and content and 'information' that only confirms their existing beliefs/feelings.
Pretty much me personally im on the right side of the political spectrum but will still watch CNN MSN or stuff like this because it gives a different perspective
i can confirm that actually reading mises and rothbard will create a confirmation bias so strong it will permanently cause you to become an anti-government libertarian and you will never look at a police officer, federal agent or establishment politician again without seeing a literal personification of pure oppression and evil
This is the beating heart of the conservative movement. Things are changing, and they don't want things to change. They recognize that things may not be anywhere near perfect, but they know what their place is in the world. There's comfort in knowing that you know from day to day that everything is in its place. But when they have to face the things they thought they knew to be true and find those things are not as simple as they once thought, they grow frightened. It's a scary thing, walking out your door and finding that the world is not what you thought it was. That's why the culture of ignorance surrounds the conservative movement. They don't want to know, if it's going to change things.
Videos like this are so important. As an older millennial, I didn't grow up with online influences so I didn't understand why there was so much alt-right extremist voices in online fandom. This has been so enlightening and also shows that there is hope for people to get out of spiral.
I never fell into the “alt-right”, rabbithole, but I was heavily into “anti-sjw” outrage, not realizing that I was just as “triggered”, close-minded, and easily offended as the people I’m mad at. I also realized that most feminists that I know were really chill, nice people, as well as the fact that a few of my beliefs were very feminist. I’m still not a fan of “SJW” type stuff, but I’m thankfully not as childish and close-minded. I’m not a leftist either, but I’m at least more open to hearing leftists out. Years ago I probably would’ve never given a channel like Contra Points a chance. But when I discovered her channel last year, I thought “Hey, this is actually visually stunning and raises interesting points” And thankfully I phased out around late 2015-early 2016, so I never became a Trump supporter. That being said, that Law & Order gamergate episode is still and always will be complete ASS lmao
Character development!!! I'm so glad. When I was younger I watched feminist rage videos despite being a girl (luckily still hated trump and still do) and was a massive gatekeeper w trans people and said retard all the time. Last year I got more open minded w everything (weirdly thanks to tiktok) and now I just want people to be happy and have a good life.
Vine compilations got me out of that hole. One moment I was upset about the 4 female ghost busters, then suddenly: “ 4 female ghost busters?! The Feminists are taking over! *I’m an adult virgin!*
Thank you for your video. I'm a psychiatrist and therapist working in Christchurch, NZ. My community had been through so much with the 2011 earthquakes and just when we thought things couldn't get any worse, the Christchurch shooting took place. I was heartbroken, and not to mention, furious. My patients were deeply affected, my Muslim friends lost entire families and social groups, and the country reeled in grief and disbelief. I wasn't much a political person prior to the shooting. But the shooting changed everything for me. I now know that hatred and bigotry transcend borders not just geographically, but it can move from the digital to the real world. As a psychiatrist, it felt so powerless to look at my patients in the eye and say to them that there was nothing I can do about the tragedy except maybe prescribe some sleeping pills and tranquilizers. I felt I needed to do something even if it meant that my efforts are going to prove ultimately inconsequential. Several weeks after the shooting, I was asked to interview a young caucasian man whose mother was growing increasingly concerned about his anger outbursts. I thought to myself that it was most likely a case of substance abuse, depression/anxiety, ADHD, or maybe a personality disorder. But this young man was none of those things except perhaps a little socially awkward. He was in his early 20s, a hardcore gamer, has little or no real-life social contact, and was actively participating in a forum called '8Chan' where videos of the shooter were uploaded. This man (let's call him Mr. X) was seething with anger. Usually, when faced with an angry patient, I'd do my best to understand their position and validate their concerns. This strategy would de-escalate angry situations in 90% of all cases (unless patients are psychotic/delirious/manic) but any attempts at understanding Mr. X only made him angrier. He saw me as the 'enemy' simply because I worked for the 'state', and any attempts at trying to help were misconstrued as an effort to undermine his cause and beliefs. When asked about his beliefs, he started expressing sympathy for the Christchurch shooter and began blaming mental health services, the government, and people like me (who worked for mental health services that are funded by the government) for the shootings. In his mind, the shooter was a victim more than a perpetrator of a horrific crime. At this point in time, the situation was becoming increasingly volatile because I sensed that he truly identified with the shooter. He told me he had watched the video of the shooting and read his manifesto. I thought perhaps I should change the topic but it was too late by then. He later stormed out of the interview room and took off in his mother's car. Moments later, his sister rang the crisis hotline and informed me that Mr. X was going to kill himself by driving erratically. I was afraid he was going to kill himself and take some pedestrians with him, so I got the police involved and they launched a manhunt and brought him to the hospital where he was committed. Mr. X spent just 4 days in hospital and was reviewed by 3 other psychiatrists who couldn't find any evidence of mental illness other than describing him as an 'angry young man with unusual beliefs'. He was subsequently discharged and we never heard from him again. His anger had since reduced and we extracted a promise from him that he would socialize with real people and stop visiting the chan boards. The reason why I'm telling you this story is to highlight the importance of what people like you are doing, that is spreading awareness about the toxic right-wing ideology and counteracting it with facts, historical context, and empathy. I'm sure there are lots more to the puzzle other than people like you, for example, Mr. X's mother was very enabling and did not set boundaries for him while allowing him to spend all his day in his room gaming. Arguably, things may not have escalated to this level if his mother would've stepped in sooner. But I'm not judging anybody here because I'm sure his mother did not anticipate this herself. You are the last line of defense against an ideology that killed 51 people of my community. I can't do videos like you because of my profession, it is in my and my patient's best interest that I remain as anonymous as possible on the internet. I don't have a facebook or twitter account because patients will look up their doctors and some will engage in stalking type behaviour. That's why I rely on people like you to keep up this fight on social media. This is a problem of our generation and I think you are a hero for doing what you do, alongside people like Natalie from contrapoints and Ollie from philosophy tube and Shaun etc. I've subscribed to them on Patreon since the shooting. :) Spread the word. :)
I am a social worker in the USA and can identify with this toxic anger that you discuss. I have even encountered it in some of my colleagues. Great write up.
So, blaming a political philosophy for it's extremist's actions is the exact same as blaming a religion for it's extremists. You're the same hypocrite you advocate against.
@@cjsyblik3296 what's the point then? Because I escaped the Alt Right tunnel as well, but I still don't advocate for hating someone's political affiliation.
Thank you for your work, As someone who has suffered through both events I know how hard it is for someone to cope with. March 15th was the reason I de-radicalized from the Alt right/ Alt lite and I sometimes wish I never held beliefs that killed many people in my home city. So again thank you for your work
I got sucked into anti-SJW culture even as a queer woman*, “I’m not a feminist, I’m an egalitarian” was like my catchphrase- for me it was fueled by super niche Tumblr micro identities and bad hot takes and stuff like that and me not realizing that the few kids on one website exploring their identities did not represent social justice as a whole
It’s scary to think I could’ve fallen further down since I was only 12 and it basically birthed my “political stance.” I eventually grew out of it and I only ever got to Leafy Keemstar and H3H3 and all that. I don’t really know what my views are but they’re somewhere between liberal and leftist and I’m so happy about that.
When I was a kid, younger, naive, I genuinely thought racism and bigotry was on the decline too. I thought we were all equal. Oh through the eyes of a babe. I look back on my youth with such chagrin
@@paleoleft Imagine thinking that the poster said racism is as prevalent as it has been in the past 100 years. Work on your reading comprehension instead of being reactionary and irrational.
@@theawesome8654 "i thought racism and bigotry were on the decline" hmmm i guess its true that americans have a shitty education system cause you cant seem to understand basic statements
Bobby Moore racism and bigotry hasn’t declined as much as it should have by now. Although it is ‘better’ than it was hundreds of years ago, mostly because of the efforts of oppressed groups and has become more hidden systematically.
I'm black, had a very similar experience. Wasn't Alt-Right, but I was very, very right leaning. Didn't stand by any kinds of racism, but SJWs were the enemy. My irl and online friends were pretty right leaning too. What sorted me out was college and becoming close with a classical feminist. She was probably one of the most well informed women I've ever met. Through conversation she educated me on a lot. I still hold some conservative views, but I'm no longer homophobic like I used to be, and hold a much more left or center leaning view on many topics.
We're carbon copies of each other. It's harder to get black people further down the rabbit hole cause once we find out you're racist, we're out lol. As for me, while I escaped the pipeline and now have a more nuanced view of the left, I still find myself annoyed by the left enough that I remain firmly center-left. At this point though, conservatism is not even an option and I find them even more annoying, but sometimes just sad.
Same here, but it’s hard to get far down the rabbit hole once you start running into racists. I still lean towards right views but not too far and same with the left
lol same happened to me and I am a practicing Muslim women. So I am the epitome of what the alt-right hates. I think what made me go down the anti-SJW rabbit hole was the over the top sensitivity of some. came out fast once righties started hating on me openly when I spoke about my identity.
I hear that phrase "I don't agree with Nazis but I'll defend their right to free speech" I wonder if they would say the same about leftists, communist, anarchists and the like
@umi2751 I'm assuming you mean Nazis, and if that's the case you need to look at the purges done by Lenin, and Stalin as well as the violent repressions done by the communists in Eastern Europe from 1945-1991. Also, look at the repressions towards the Ughur Muslims in China
@@JT-yl9yt you are seriously claiming that purges done by NKVD weren't ideological? That alone would sentence you for doubting the conviction of party bonzas, OF COURSE communist party of Soviet Union was ideological. So were Pol Pot, Che Guevara, Ceausescu and other war criminals. Also dismissing ONGOING ethnic cleaning of Uyghurs as "certain individuals", the entire CCP, is ridiculous.
This can happen to anyone. I was like this two years ago and I was a fourteen year old BLACK female. I'm still disgusted to this day by myself. All I watched was Sjw Gets Owned videos and Ben Shapiro😔🖕🏽
same i really thought i was a ‘centrist’ just bc i had been radicalised on some levels but probably still knew deep down that i was wrong. i was just confused
I only just *barely* missed falling into the pipeline. My brother basically jumped into it and tried to explain anti-feminism to me. I started on the sjw's owned videos but I quickly escaped thanks to my mother, grandmother and communist cousin. Now I'm being educated on what almost happened to me, and I am beginning the attempt to get my brother out. Thank you for making this video, it helps explain a lot of what happened to both me and my brother. Definitely going to subscribe.
@@sigmarizzlerking Sounds like a social democrat. Maybe don't throw around the term communist if you want to be taken seriously in the future lol. That's typical right wing nonsense they say about everyone on the left. "Radical Marxist communists"? Sound familiar?
Shout out of love and gratitude to your mother, grandmother, and communist cousin! How lucky you are to have such wonderful people in your life! I hope your brother has been liberated from these debilitating and hateful movements. Wishing you and your family tons of great things!
Dan T generalizing all feminists according to your personal experience is the problem. Any educated feminist will absolutely agree that men face injustice in some ways (domestic violence claims etc). Invalidating men is not the objective it’s to feel like we are being heard as *equals*. - An American feminist who FULLY understands the scientific method. It is NOT “beyond” me.
this reminds me of how i almost fell into the alt right and i honestly spewed so many dog whistles without knowing. i hated non-binary people and i was just super “i’m not like other girls” and believed women shouldn’t express themselves like that. it was awful. i used to laugh at sjw cringe comps and everything, but deep down i knew there was something wrong. like i knew it wasn’t right. i never liked trump and honestly my science teacher, who was one of the few adults i could talk politics with, saved me from falling down there because of it mutual hatred for trump and how we always made trump jokes. without him, idk where i’d be. i also got out of a friendship with someone who was a self admitted fascist and i didn’t know what it meant and i was too young to even understand fully. (he was also grooming me if that tells you anything). once i got out, i was pretty apolitical for a while but then my hatred of trump revived and i started looking more into politics overall and started my leftist radicalization because of my mom’s friend’s husband on facebook. he’s a really cool god father, and he’s taught me so much about leftist ideology. i was so close to going down that route but i escaped and i’m so glad
Oh my god I had such a similar experience growing up. Trump really helped me see the light and realize all of the ways I’d been brainwashed. I was so miserable back then and I hated so many parts of myself, and didn’t even recognize the issues when I was groomed, objectified and even sexually harassed growing up.
thank you for this. for myself, i'm not even totally averse to regular conservatives. i may not agree with them every time, but i've been able to take their points in and ruminate on them. anti-progressive sermons haven't even stopped me going to church. then the alt-right came and simply hijacked them on both sides of the pond. the left may have been devastated when they won in 2016, but the real tragedy, if only they'd realize it, is on the side of the (traditional) right.
I love your science teacher - and am grateful for your intuition. Wishing tons of great things for you - and your science teacher! (from a retired science teacher - who also helped students open their minds and ideas)
I used to be there too, anti-SJW videos and the whole using "logic" to defeat leftists made me feel like they were the smart ones and the evil leftists were dumb. And then they tried to deny climate change, and rewrite history with whitewashing theocratic crap and...yea as someone who knows history well I couldn't just fall by that ...then I looked at the anti SJW videos... and they weren't even using logic either, they just said they looked bad in smart ways. 2016 was a dark year and there are some people who werent lucky like me and dint get out before it was too late
Umm, literally who actually believed the whitewashing thing? And the only thing I heard about climate change, at least from the less radical right wing/centrists was that it was real, but it wasn't possible to stop, my main issue on the climate change thing is that the left has never actually had a real solution to climate change, and we're just using it to bludgeon their opponents. They would say climate change is bad, then leave the venue in their private jet.
@@TheTheThe_ Kid, you are LITERALLY ignoring his valid points by screeching because the propoganda you watch is against people with good hearts and common sense.
I'm 51, a Gen X member who grew up with many "conservative values" that I slowly began to lose as I watched the world around me. I believed California was the bastion of the crazy, dangerous liberal agenda and plots to lure hetero guys to homosexuality. Then in November of 1992, I lost my job, my house and had nowhere to go and someone offered me a place to stay in Sacramento. I arrived at the conservative capital of California, Sacramento suburb of Citrus Heights which at the time was whiter then sour cream. Coming from a predominantly Black suburb of Baltimore, I lacked any real racism and bigotry but still believed the crime and other bullshit about welfare, drugs and babies for cash aid lies. But in Citrus Heights, I realized I had gone three months without seeing a Black person walking down the street, in stores or the shopping mall. It was weird. Then I got stopped by police walking home one night because I didn't look like I belonged. I had been to a night club and was dressed in expensive clothing:. Guess silk shirt, Navy Blue Guess Jeans and Royal Blue Sketcher shoes. Glowstick bracelets and Walkman. I was drunk but not inebriated. The questioning led to a search for drugs that turned up a pack of Marlboro Reds and nothing more. But the NWA and Public Enemy blasting on my Walkman got derogatory comments. I will as let off with a warning not to be loitering in this area again. Flash forward to today and I am a Progressive member of the left and I see a future where mankind has progressed past the social issues of today closer towards the human eutopia. Thanks for sharing your story.
I feel you completely. I was raised with radical right wing views (think Ted Nugent), and to at least some degree, I agreed with the idea that every idea deserved to be spoken and I agreed with some of the more edgy ideals as well. I felt that nobody on the left shared the edgy sense of humor, that they were opposed to the idea of it. Life experience got me out of it. I met new people, did new things, it was like as soon as 18 hit I completely changed. I grew out my hair, got harassed and threatened by the police, I started really looking at the system, especially under the current president. I felt sickened with who I had been, and I didn't want anything to do with that person. If I met that person today, I would loathe them. I cast my vote, blue down the ballot. Putting my past behind me and solidifying a change was liberating, even though I already knew I was a completely different person. Like Xanderhal said, it's really a matter of whether or not you become a Nazi or a Communist when you're in high school, and it all depends on the grooming you got as a kid and who gets to you first. Thank you for sharing you story.
Wouldn't it be nice if a utopia would economically and socially work? It would. Sadly, it just doesn't. History shows over and over again that socialism and related ideas of equality have always been shown to fail. Interestingly enough, extreme cases of this, like the USSR, actually spawned extremist fascist ideas. I'm not trying to point this out as a conspiracy, but today's society is very reminiscent of this.
@@haxeddroidzmc1785 do you know what socialism is? literally no country in the history of the world has ever truly been socialist. the consequences of all of this shit is all capitalism.
This should go across the board. I’m libertarian, and while I do disagree with some points in this video, it is absolutely critical for people to do their own in depth research. This is a skill that people everywhere seem to lack and it’s a real shame.
I think such is inevitable for someone like me with disruptive ADHD. I can't keep track of enough information to actually research entire ideologies or viewpoints by myself, which is why breadtube was perfect for me
@@Smung Really you can form your own opinion without researching every single day. You have your own morals, right? And watching you tubers is excellent, but its good to have your own opinion and challenge or research if something seems off to you
honestly, i am a black, latin, and son of immigrants and still ended up falling down the alt-right pipeline! it was a crazy era, and it started from edgy humor and gaming for me. obviously based on who i am i ended up turning left naturally. no one really helped me in or out of the alt-right pipeline, no one really knew and i tried not to talk about it to anyone at school or home. i was turning bad very quickly.
"...when she brought up a movie called the red pill" me: oh no "...i discovered a video by prageru" me, with feeling this time: *oh no* seriously though this is a really well done video, it was very eye-opening to hear your story! thanks for sharing it.
HAHAHA. I actually LOL'd at this comment. While I actually found The Red Pill quite interesting, I totally agree with the sentiment of this comment. GOLD.
@@brentkaufman1723Firstly, my comment wasn't ad hominem. Ad hominem means that the attack was directed towards a person rather than their opinions. Prager U is not a person, and my grievences are entirely to do with the content and opinions they foster. I'll give some examples from recent videos: - "Will Witt at University of Denver: Make Men Masculine Again". Firstly, he tries to assert that feminine men are somehow harmful or lesser than masculine men. How does he justify this, you ask? He tries to claim that they aren't men, that we need men to stand up for American values (which I would pose woman can do equally as well). A man being feminine doesn't make him any less of a man. He then brings up the suicide rate, which has nothing to do with men being less masculine. *Then*, he sidetracks and says men are unfulfilled because they don't want to get married and are 'godless', and claims godless men can't have values or morals. This is simply not true. Religious morals aren't the only morals. - "Why are so many young people unhappy?" He tries to explain why suicide rates are rising primarily because of 'loss of values'. And by values, of course, Dennis means American values. He strings together facts about America being a prosperous country (which, of course, it is; it is a highly influential nation) to make the claim that everyone who isn't American wants to move there. Whether he sees that as a threat or not, I can't be sure, but I can say that while stating facts is not chauvinistic, being so pompous as to ignore that (a) money doesn't bring all happiness and (b) other countries have rich and vibrant culture, and also thrive in their own way regardless of how economically stable they are. Then, he talks about big government, middle class values etc that are 'under attack by American elites'. Out of nowhere he tries to tie the 'lack of values' (of which he has provided no evidence) to the rate of single mothers increasing, and birth rates falling. These two facts are not at all related. Patriotism is also apparently a value which is causing more men to harm themselves because they have less of an American identity. Does a lack of meaning contribute to suicidal tendencies? Of course. But religion (his second claim), while it helps, does *not* contribute to suicidal tendencies increasing. Why? Because atheists aren't forced into being non-religious. They choose to. They find other values than Christianity. And a lack of patriotism also doesn't tie into being more suicidal, nor does a lack of marriage or children. These are only a couple of examples. If you want me to cite more, I will. But generally I dislike PragerU because of its focus on religion, traditional beliefs above all, and generally a lack of scientific proof/understanding for the most important topics. I wonder if you could say the same for organisations you dislike.
ah yes, a fellow member of the "deradicalized by Destiny" gang. as much as we may disagree with Destiny, he doesnt get enough credit for all the work he has done deradicalizing people.
@@ogolthorp ... just the fact you use the term "radical left" in general tells me you are either a CNN-liberal or a conservative. Sorry, but you can't use conservative framing and expect any love from the left.
I've watched almost every one of his videos, and I still can't tell what his political leanings are. I'm constantly asking myself, "What is this? Where am I? How did I here?"
@@cyancyborg1477 how can you say you've watched almost all of his videos and not realise that it's pretty obvious he's a neolib/socdem? especially with the less satirical ones
The video mentioned Notch and he's actually one of the reasons I almost fell down the pipeline... I never got super far into it, but I was pretty into the anti-SJW content for a while a few years back. It doesn't help that my primary friend group at school was from my church and naturally, super conservative and themselves slipping down the alt right pipeline. I was also a huge Minecraft fan and I would read Notch's tweets pretty often, well before he went off the deep end, even. When he did go off the deep end, it was around the same time I was into this stuff, and it was also the first time I'd actually heard about trans people outside of my old church and the stupid attack helicopter memes.. I found myself really agreeing with his tweets and I had a lot of pretty extreme anti-feminist and transphobic ideals because of communities like this. I don't remember fully how I got out of these ideologies other than just spending more time around more accepting people and becoming more aware of issues these groups face, but a huge reason was I finally started to confront the source of why I found myself believing these things so strongly in the first place... it was an amazing method of suppressing my crippling gender dysphoria. if you told 18 year old me that I would go through a gender transition three years later, he would've lost it, but he was also chronically depressed, antisocial, hateful, and unable to understand why. Now as a left-leaning trans woman, I've never been happier and so glad I found the place in the world I was searching for all this time. :)
@@achrispymicropp6712 Even then you should still qualify how that's bad, there are plenty of ways to argue against (far) right ideas (Including those of Biden) as self defeating to harmful without upside....on the other hand a government pays my tuition (500€ max copay) and the tax rates I face are much less scary than student loans (even if I went to private university, I couldn't afford bancrupcy would be an exit).
I’m a white Latina and I literally had the SAME experience as you. I’m so happy that I ran away from that. I’m so happy that you did too. I hate that I betrayed my original views because of social media influence. But I know better now
I fell down the rabbit hole as well as a black teen. It was only a little while until the BLM protest and I was uneducated at that time. I considered myself an anti-SJW and anti-Feminist at the time before changing my views. I used to watch alt-right country and I started hating myself. When I started learning left when it goes on to politics and I am learning more. I learned about fascism, the alt-right and their tactics from Innuendo Studios and Renegade Cut from reading comments in another video. As I read more about politics (I'm Jamaican) I lean much more right because of the many and the hyprosity they give and their behaviour. Subbed to your channel by the way.
as an alt-right, what do you mean I'm not really sure what the real point was. Like I myself am a minority in montana of all places where you mostly see white people and white nationalist alike but not all right leaning people are like that. I see a caring people that will fight and have fought for their country. Not everyone is like that its just like seeing a communist and thinking that everyone on the left is like that.(and sub argument left refers to the rising ideals and the right refer to the established Ideals)
@Kerosin Fuchs Depends on what you label as far left to call it much worse. If you're calling a guy who wants medicare for all worse than the guy who wants an ethno state, you're just wrong. I've seen right wingers label Biden far left, no way would he be worse than a far right pushing for their race purity.
@Kerosin Fuchs right wing in 30s in Germany meant absolutarians. Could be either trough the state or with a monarchy. But the NSDAP were absolutely far right, 100%. And although the definition of the political spectrum varies, the American alt-right is definitely right wing with the current common definition.
Kerosin Fuchs hey, historian here. You’re either really dumb or full of shite and you know it. If you look at any of their policy it’s clear they’re right wing and Hitler assured many centrist conversions to his party that the socialist bit in their name was just for aesthetics in several different ways. I mean the Nazi economic model relied on heavy privatisation of so many industries. That’s literally counter to all left wing ideology.
Me, hearing multiple kids yelling "Hitler did nothing wrong!!" on the bus in high school: Please stop please stop please stop please stop please stop- Seriously this happened more than once it was horrible. I get that it was a meme but that doesn't make it any better.
Four and a half years later, and all of this is still completely relevant to current events. Thank you for sharing your story. I hope others who have encountered similar things can hear your story and see a path out of any alt right involvement.
When I was young, I started descending down roughly the same line of more and more right-wing content. Luckily, when I got to PragerU, even as a dumb kid, I found their claims suspicious. So I looked on their channel for a video about climate change, and sure enough, "Climate change might not be real." I started back up the hole from that.
Take out the gaming and this is almost exactly my story, particularly the chain on creators. Except I was a 13/14 year old brown Muslim girl in the U.K. watching RUclipsrs like Sargon of Akkad for hours after school, which made it all pretty complicated in terms of identity and mental gymnastics to say the least.
Yeah, Sargon appeared to be a pretty well rounded leftist when he started and when I started watching, then went down the EDL rabbit hole to appease his newer neo reactionary audience.
I'm a half-Pakistani gay guy and I fell down a similar rabbit hole. I spent about 2ish years identifying as a 'Centrist Anti-SJW'. I'm now a socialist and it's super cringey to look back on... 😰
Id higly reccomend the alt right playbook for both you and him to watch. It does a great job of breaking down recruitment and debate tactics of the group. I'd start with "how to daicalize a normie"
I fell down the pipeline too... it’s funny how they slowly ease you into it with “jokes” and “if you’re triggered it’s your fault” when in reality they are just saying hateful things. I was very privileged but I wanted to have something to be angry at. Being surrounded by liberals who, from my perspective at the time, did not understand me, I chose to be mad at their political views instead of them personally. I never thought of myself as racist or sexist but as I slowly moved more into “triggering the libs” I realized I was saying things that I did not agree with and things I did not believe purely in order to make people mad. It got to the point where you couldn’t tell the difference between me and the average alt right incel.
One of the ironically very unfunny things about people like that, who make "edgy jokes" about other people, is that they're usually inherently very sensitive. The split second the comedy is turned around on them, they get super upset.
N O H - 1 yeah it’s actually way more fun to trigger conservatives because I know for a fact they’re wrong and they’re usually fighting for something hateful and regressive.
Why would "pigpuncher" be associated with being leftist? If anything, that would be associated with just being violent and hateful. If it's like, "punching nazi pigs" or something, that's counterproductive for leftists; it reinforces the target's beliefs and encourages them to simply hide their beliefs instead of changing.
@@marin8169 Is hating cops a strictly leftist thing even? That's anti-authoritarian, and I was under the impression that that could be left or right. Either way, that's still not a very productive act to say the least, one a group should probably want to not be associated with.
Man the comments from your mom really hit home for me. While I never went down an alt right pipeline and still do consider myself progressive in most facets of politics, I also have first hand experience of questioning morals as a result of being dehumanized by the parent who preached them. Because yes, that's what your mom did when you were a teen and she called essentially called you a bad person for showing curiosity about the world. This is always a tricky issue to navigate for parents, but the WORST thing a parent can do is essentially judge their child and make them feel like there is something inherently wrong with them. Liberal parent, conservative parent, doesn't matter - if you shame your child for being curious, they are going to rebel. If she had instead sat you down for a discussion to ask you what made you feel curious about these things, I'm gonna say there is a good chance you would have never gotten as extreme as you would have.
This is what the world needs now, clear (diamond level clear) honesty of a stance and a journey. We are not perfect and we all grow. To stop it we need to learn how people get to these beliefs. So videos like this are super valuable if you want to be part of the soloution. Well done. Subbed.
Nah, people like Shoe0nHead and Chris Ray Gun are super valuable when you actually listen to every single thing they say in their videos, as I have. They are both Anti-SJWs and-surprise, surprise-liberal. VERY liberal. Hell, they’re not the only ones who hold this stance. So if you think that being an Anti-SJW automatically means being Alt-Right, think again.
@@lalakuma9 forgive me father, for i have sinned. my last confession was 30 years ago, and these are my son's: *I identified as a gamer from 2012-2014*
@muchas nubes It happened to me a bit earlier cos I was very engrossed in internet culture so between the ages of 14 -16 I gradually got a bit radicalised and then kinda got out of it around 18 after exiting a relationship with someone objectively racist and misogynistic
I remember back when from my echo chamber at least, when Bernie and Hillary were fighting for the nomination, everyone loved Bernie and hates Hillary, after Hillary won the nominated, everyone was saying on how we're screwed either way. After a few months, everyone loves Trump for some reason and Trump supporter wasn't a dirty word at that time. I'd say Hunter Avallone (and friends) contribute to my echo chamber the most, followed by the people who were vouching for iDubbbz, and then my hatred for BuzzFeed, I hated BuzzFeed before it was even a trend. After Trump won the election, there were compilations of SJWs crying about the results. Dark times looking back at it now. I felt iffy after I noticed some characteristics of bigotry, whether I agree or disagree with the things that they don't, it made me uncomfortable on how they handled it.
Most of the original people who fell down the pipeline are pretty progressive now. Unfortunately, a lot more kids are being radicalized now, accelerated by the loneliness of the pandemic
@@davidnissim589 I've been cleansing my alt right views for the past few months. Really has made me fell like crap, because I'm 100% sure I've seriously emotionally destroyed many kids who were just being themselves. I'm disappointed in myself, very.
when I was around 18, my mom's friend's young son would come into our store and talk to me. he went down the pipeline FAST, like from "yeah I like video games" to "my 30 year old friend on discord sends me pictures of dead bodies" and eventually he dropped an n bomb in front of me. I mentioned it to my mom, who mentioned it to his mom, who completely cut my mom out of her life. they had been friends for like 15 years and it all stopped because she thought we were judging her or something. this was around 2017 and I just assume that kid is a total fucking nightmare now.
For like a month I was obsessed with Jordan Peterson and watched almost all of his debates and I’m a black muslim woman. These people are deranged and it can happen to literally anyone not just white poor gamer boys. I’m still so grossed out but i look back and laugh. Only reason I didn’t go any further is because again I’m a black muslim woman and it doesn’t feel good to be constantly told I’m the cause of all problems.
@@mvx2066 they aren’t radical they are flat out intellectually dishonest. His views on psychology aren’t bad and they are the main reason I bothered with me but he has no business in discussing economy, politics, history or religion.
"It is historically inaccurate for a black man to be in a ww1 game" Harlem 1st division and Tirailleurs sénégalais divisions: are we a joke to you? PS: this is directed at anyone who still believes that.
BFV was maybe the stupidest hill to die on. The appeal to historical accuracy was especially redundant, considering the fact that if that's what you're looking for in a fucking Battlefield game, you're looking in the wrong places (people who're actually passionate about it more often play games like Post Scriptum or Hell Let Loose). I kinda hoped that one day, one of those guys would just drop the facade and admit he doesn't want women/POC in the games he plays because games are only supposed to cater to (white) boys. That would've been a cathartic moment; all this time he was just full of shit, not defending a 'reasonable position', let's continue with our lives.
@@thomaskole9881 I was one of them, but i was genuine in this sentiment. I would have wanted a ww2 game on the eastern front with women soldiers because i knew that that side actually used women in the army. I also heavily revered the inclusion of the colonial battalions too often disregarded in war games. But yeah, it was pretty stupid to be a die hard opponent to women inclusion in BFV. I still bought the game in the end.
@@elendil6144 the Soviet army and every partisan movement during ww2 had females in their division who fought against the nazis. The female yugoslav partisans had like over 40000 soldiers who killed dnazis and also a fun fact a Afro albanian from my hometown was a partisan too. His name was Rizo Šurla if you want to look up
Vassily Vodka But the game doesn't feature soviets or yugoslavs. The war game industry is heavily focused on the western part of the war which is pretty stupid since its the most fucking boring part of it. Also, thanks for the story. Always nice to see some historical exceptions.
@@elendil6144 it's really a shame. Especially if they want to show women at the warzone atleast they could use the eastern front. But then again people would complain about Eastern nations
I have a very similar story. Long story short: 4Chan "memelord" turned Transgirl punk guitarist. Best thing is I started out as a anticapitalist, angry teen. So remember not everyone is a lost cause. Maybe meeting people with kindness at first is a good idea. Things are complicated when it comes to humans. Just be nice, be careful and try to bge the best person you can.
I’ve never related to a political ideology timeline this hard. I was at the time a closeted trans guy who was tying to force the dysphoria out of me. I started watching RUclipsrs like Blaire white and ShoeOnHead and I heard a lot of talk about how crazy some transgender and non binary people are. This slowly morphed into me watching videos on how trans people are predators and shit like that. I’ve always had a very liberal family and my dad is very informed on the alt right and politics in general. Once the whole anti-feminist bandwagon on RUclips subsided I feel like my views got a little bit more moderate. My dad and RUclipsrs such as ContraPoints are who really helped me to get out of this anti-trans rabbit hole and to accept myself as who I am. Since I’ve physically transitioned and have become more comfortable in myself I have become more accepting of non binary trans people as well. I’m glad to say I’m no longer in such a depressing political position to which I couldn’t even be who I fully am.
I'm not sure I fully understand, are you saying that Shoe0nHead and Blaire White are 'anti-trans' / 'anti-non-binary' ??? Or are you just saying that watching them lead you to watching content that was like that? Because Shoe has never said anything against trans people and has said that she's fine with people being enby, and Blaire IS trans but I'm not 100% sure what her stance on being enby is. Sorry if I'm completely missing what you're point bringing them up was but I just am kinda confused, I do really enjoy both their content and have never seen them express views that're anti-trans or anti-enby? :(
@@MOTHHMAN To answer your question, I'm not sure about Shoe but Blaire was, until very recently, vehemently anti-Nonbinary calling all Nonbinary people "confused kids" or "Transtrenders" and is a known Transmedicalist, aka "you're only valid as a Trans person if you have dysphoria and want to medically transition" She at least seems to be starting to come around to being all-accepting of all trans people of all kinds, but should still be regarded with a level of suspicion. I think a large problem as Contrapoints has pointed out, older trans people could only gain legitimacy with hyper-medical terminology and proof to validate their identities, they existed in a binary world and thus Trans meant simply that you were born one and identify and medically transition over to the other. Young trans kids today don't care so much about "passing" and lean more towards Nonbinary/Agender/genderless and gender-abolitionist ideas, and I think older trans people are still learning about that and letting go of past oppression and need for biological, medical validation for their identity. Buck Angel for example is a figure for older trans folks but has been accused of being transmedicalist in the past. I believe older trans people mean well, they just come from a different time, and as times change older people tend to be more abrasive to those changes. Just give them time, the ones who care the most will come around with caring and understanding. However, we must also be careful not to be too accepting and too understanding when some people are truly bigoted rather than simply ignorant to the nuance of gender identity as it is understood today. Some people change their minds when things are explained to them and some don't, and it's our job as viewers to spot the difference, to ensure we are not enabling and supporting purposely bigoted individuals who refuse to adapt and change as new information comes out.
Feebz shoe mainly lead me down an anti trans rabbit hole. And I’m glad she’s made a 180 in her view points. And yes Blaire is trans, but she’d still rule out trans people she doesn’t see as valid which lead me down an even darker anti trans rabbit hole which lead me to watching people like PragerU and No Bullshit who are in fact openly transphobic.
@@robfl100 There is nothing wrong with going after both sides. There is a lot wrong with going after both sides equally. I'll criticize Bernie for example when I disagree with him. But there are plenty of reasons why most of my time is spent paying attention to what damage Trump caused this time. The biggest problems need to be criticized the most.
Robert Leslie both sides are not equally wrong and don’t do equal amounts of damage. The left is at least TRYING to improve the world and the lives of many people. The right just... wants to keep things the way they are. If possible, make it worse for who already has it bad, cause that usually means improving the lives of a few people already in a great position. So idk.
@@devilskind92 "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C S Lewis says it better than I ever could.
@@max0304 Beautiful words, except that's not the only two options, and the left is not only about "approval of conscience". To think so is to be extremely cynical, come on now.
Seeing this makes me feel better as a person that I no longer feel or think that bullshit anymore and that i wasn't the only one fooled. I had the same political belief shift as you described. I fell into it despite being black, mainly because of the riots in my homecity of Baltimore. I felt that it was all embarrassing, that it made black people like me as a whole look foolish. Dont get me wrong, I still wish that it didnt happen, but I dont default to the 13% statistic, lick boots, and feel ashamed of my self based on something I cannot change. Never again will I stand for the side that hates me because of something i cannot change may that be my race or my sexuality, one that would rather see my friends, family, or anybody they hold prejudice against dead in a hole and stripped of their humanity. I want to apologize sometimes to people who were affected by the ALT right bullshit, people who lost lives because of hate, those still dealing with the vileness of hateful people, hell even my friends who never knew i was like that to begin with. I was a part of the problem, no matter my contribution had they been big or small. I hope I am a better person now after all of it. I simply wanted a better future for everyone at my core, but I slowly ended up rooting for the evils which seek to worsen it for everyone but themselves, and I am sorry.
Even as a black guy, I remember falling into the anti-sjw edgy right wing trap as a kid through the gaming community and listening to Opie & Anthony shows on RUclips. Destiny also played a good part in changing how I arrive at conclusions. Seeing beliefs you previously held get utterly destroyed in front of your eyes kinda forces you to change your perspective on things lol
I got out a month or two after Trump got elected. I realized all the talk about logic and integrity was bunk. Sargon had spent months calling the mainstream news untrustworthy, only to then pivot and say that he didn't have the time to police Trump (that was the media's job, not his). The people he'd undermined were the people he trusted to watch the president.
@@robin8137, @Cokckadoodle, @Justin Okraski, @Hannah Cat Good job. That sounds hard as shit to do. (Does this sound like sarcasm? Cause it's not supposed to be.)
this was such in interesting video. watched the whole thing. a lot of it resonated with me as well. thank you!!
Hope you grew out of that alt Right phase, Hunter.
@@PoemProseSecondary ye his content is crypto-breadpilled now
wait what, you're not right anymore? You originally got me going down that rabbit hole so i'm happy we're growing out of that stuff now
You're an absolute legend, sonny.
Being somewhat of a public figure and still having the ability to change your political views instead of being a stubborn cock is something everyone should be able to respect.
Hunter, I'm really glad you've turned you're views around , I especially enjoyed the talk you recently had with Vaush. Keep making great content!
i got into the anti-sjw scene because i was annoyed at people whining about what i didn’t care about. it was the same reason i left.
I used to love anti-sjw and “feminism destroyed” videos, I used to unironically support a lot of Alt-right ideas just ‘cause it was supported by the memes I used to consume.
Still anti sjw and anti anti sjw. A lot of the anti sjw crowd is actually just anti social justice, unless it's for Christians and white people
But why spend time being annoyed when you can talk about the issues you do care about? I don't understand that mentality. It's better to whine about people talking about things you don't want them to than to do something yourself?
I often see people claim that "this is not important!" but they can't stop clicking on it anyway. At some point it becomes hypocritical. They want other people to talk about stuff they don't even talk about themselves. I have also seen men go completely insane and actually threaten their opponents because they got so angry at them for talking about non-important stuff. If it really wasn't important then why the fuck do they get so angry that they threaten? These people seem irrational. I never get annoyed or mad at people for talking about stuff I deem unimportant. It seems controlling.
I find some humour in the thought that the American left in part created the very thing they so despise, the alt-right.
Politics isn't just about being correct, it's about being convincing. Some of the tactics that parts of the left have employed are so asinine it's mind-boggling.
In particular the aggressive labelling has pushed so many people away from their cause.
For example, sexist remarks in the game community; calling all gamers sexists is not going to solve the issue, it's merely going to exacerbate it.
One can't just come in guns blazing into a (sub)culture and demand a massive cultural change to occur over the night.
Much like magnetic flux, this causes cultural flux.
Another instance, if you believe the current system to be patriarchal in nature don't just attack every men in the system and expect them to listen to your argumentation. You'll only convince those that already agreed with you, and push the before neutral public away from your cause.
This is completely separated from the points argued being "correct" for society, the methods used are just foolishly polarising, destructive and plain stupid.
Not to say that the American right is much better at this, but they were on the defensive.
It was real easy to dismantle all those "sjw videos" because they were all, aside from their core beliefs, using terrible argumentative strategies.
@@0HollowTubes0 they feed off one another, and in turn grow in embolden one another
I’m a high school teacher and noticed some of my students (mostly straight boys) flirt w/ similar reactionary politics that skewed toward the alt-right circa 2016. They’d be combative anytime we discussed issues like racism and sexism in my class & send me RUclips videos w/ anti-SJW rhetoric so I understand the “truth.”
Many of these boys have since turned around or at least gained a broader context & healthier skepticism against this strand of Internet culture, and I think it’s in part to a segment of internet communities owning up to their complicity in the pipeline & speaking out against it.
Thank you for leveraging your own experience in a way that not only articulates the frustrations & psychology behind what tempted you down the pipeline, but also for using your platform to push back against this form of radicalization.
Dan T He did make quite the pivot huh. Do you think the “alt-left” and alt-right are equally harmful in their beliefs & impact on society?
Yea ive never seen a mass shooting by a alt left activist, but thats just a fact, dont let it get in the way of your feelings
I have a theory that people who fall down the pipeline are either privileged straight boys who haven't developed any empathy, or, in my case, repressed homosexuals struggling to come to terms with their identity.
@@MrCmon113 maybe so, but that comment was created per my own experience with that alt right. the whole reason i escaped was the development of empathy, and actually listening to the marginalized groups in society instead of the privileged ones.
@Taxtro I have to disagree. While technically they aren’t about empathy, you can notice a lot of patterns. The left is more willing to listen to marginalized groups (although the actions they take can be extremely unhelpful/ignorant) and empathize with their experiences, while the right likes to pretend we’re all equal and refuses to recognize that marginalized groups are still at a disadvantage. I can’t name one conservative who’s ever talked about bipoc/gay issues with empathy.
As a black british woman, not sure why youtube recommended this but i stayed and listened. Interesting to hear how others in the wider world think and their journey. Bless you, thanks for sharing!
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If I may ask, what are your thoughts? I would like to hear of the opinions about conservatives/Republicans and the general political climate here from an outside perspective.
Im in Coventry UK and RUclips recommended this randomly to me too. It's amazing that how different but still abhorrent British and American conservatives are. There's consistency in their cruelty.
@@ijunglistwilliams8659 Conservatism is a grift.
They never promise on their populist policies and blame the Left for this while going unscathed by their own electorate.
Instead the electorate are bombarded with propaganda that the Left (no distinction is made and they lump us all together as if we all believe the same things) is going to take away their rights.
Vaguely this amounts to having their guns and religion taken from them and that somehow immigrants are the problem. The latter is what literally drove Brexit too, so it works. These are the 3 driving points for decades and then Trump came along and opened a whole host of wounds in this country thought to be healing, although not scab free, and ripped them open with a machete.
If I understood you correctly you asked what the opinion of Conservatism is from a POC standpoint. I think they are still living in the 1950s. Immigration is the new Mccarthyism. Internally they don't actually believe the values they preach are for POC and they have done nothing to reach out to them other than vilify them and treat them as the "other".
This all boils down to what I personally believe Conservatism in the end to be: a front for White Supremacy. They don't have to goose step or burn crosses on lawns to express this. Their history does however show this to be the case in varying degrees.
@@114D My Feelings Exactly.
@@goroakechi6126 Not the OP but also a black British woman. I won't lie and pretend the British perception of American politics is particularly positive. It's not.
We cannot relate to the extensive gun control issues, or the police brutality we see in the news, and even amongst our conservatives Trump is not very popular.
For the most part though your political system is so foreign and different to our own we don't really weigh in much unless it's something sensational, though we are acutely aware your political decisions ultimately effect us regardless.
I got out of the alt right pipeline simply by being bisexual. It’s honestly scary how I could’ve been so hateful when I look at how my brother kept going down and ended up calling me evil for dating a trans girl
Incest?
@@gregtaylor9806 no, I mean my brother kept going down the pipeline and does things like call me evil for my sexuality
@@jaidenrobidas2545 Yea you could probably edit your comment and make it a little less ambiguous because it does read like you realized you were bi because you were attracted to your brother lmao. I assumed that wasn't what you meant but it does look like it 😅
@@SeisoYabai yeah, I’ll get on it. Sorry for the misconception
Yeah, I'm trans and queer so that saved my ass, but like you, I see what my brother is like and realize how horribly unemphatic I could have become
How I Fell Down The Alt Right Pipeline And Escaped: "It started when I was a gamer."
Poor dude didn't stand a chance.
Chickpeas my dads a left wing gamer
Malum wait vaush said he was a gamer.
@Malum Don't really know how you substantiate that claim especially since 50% of gamers are women now a days. If anything a small loud vocal minority gets most of the attention but lets be real, the gaming population trends young as in millennials and zoomers make up the largest portion of gaming, therefore we can even make an inference that a large portion of this population also plays game since that is one of the largest past time for children. With that premise you can easily conclude that there are a large population of gamers in the new generation that are women who hold leftist ideas.
@Malum have you seen the smash community? they are almost always apolitical, left-leaning centrist, or straight up leftist
@@dominicwallington9568 dude even forgot sonic fox, a gay furry won evo. And have you seen the pro players? Show me one who hair isn't dye. From league to fortnite. This guy is definitely delusional.
This proves again that people aren't inherently bad, they're products of their environment. Almost anyone can fall down the rabbit hole. It's easy to think that everything bad that's happening is the work of a few bad apples, but the world is insanely complex.
You're right. In 2015, I was 25 years old, almost done with university and still got sucked into this pipeline to the point of watching Joe Rogan interviewing Jordan Peterson and thinking: "This is pretty profound stuff". If all of this had been around when I was 18 and more naive, there's a good chance I would have ended up somewhere in the alt-right. This really can happen to any impressionable young person who isn't feeling all that great about their life (which is pretty normal in the current state of the world). Doesn't at all mean they're bad people.
I'm glad a lot of young guys (as it's mostly guys) are getting out of it now. All that stuff is so bad for your mental health... They deserve better than being used as pawns in some messed up attempt at unleashing a race war.
@@TheDionysianFields I probably wrongly assumed some things to be common knowledge, at least on RUclips. My bad, I'll try to explain myself now.
Joe Rogan is widely considered a centrist (maybe left of centre) who has some clearly left leaning beliefs, but who also has a track record of displaying a certain political and social ignorance which is frowned upon by a lot of leftists. In addition to that, from 2015 up to 2018 (which is when I watched his show) he has platformed some alt-right people like Milo Yiannopoulos, Ben Shapiro or Gavin McInnes and given them waaay too much benefit of the doubt during those conversations (mostly because he's just not that well read on politics let alone philosophy). This is why Joe Rogan is not considered to be alt-right, but a gateway to more alt-right 'thinkers' for some people. In the comment sections of his videos with one of the aforementioned people, it's not hard to find outright bigoted and antisemitic rhetoric.
Jordan Peterson is widely considered to be a Christian conservative who's talking points appeal to young white men with mental health issues (he is a psychologist, after all). As I said, at a dark period in my life I considered his message to be profound. On a personal level, some of his stuff about owning up to your responsibilities and not making excuses, those messages still ring true to me. But it's not hard to see how these personal self help tips could lead to major problems if you extrapolate them to society as a whole. Then, Petersons world is one in which only the strongest top lobsters survive and all the others simply didn't try hard enough. One in which 'cultural marxists' are to blame for society's issues and women can only be as feminist as men deem healthy for them. One in which you're only allowed to have an opinion about politics if you've cleaned your room first. This is a deeply conservative world view and if you adhere to it, you're at least halfway down the alt-right pipeline. Yes, he condemns the alt-right, but usually follows it up with 'but the marxists are just as bad!' (maybe he doesn't anymore nowadays, in which case: good).
In his debate with Slavoj Zizek, Peterson demonstrates not even the slightest grasp of what marxism is, video's by Cuck Philosophy show how little he understands of post-modernism even though he talks about it all the time. Hannah and Jake's video series on 12 Rules for Life explains very well how his self help stuff is basically Christian propaganda flavored with overly vague pseudo-academical brabble. Still, his content might be better than 95 per cent of the stuff on RUclips, but is that really an achievement to be proud of?
All of the above I wrongly considered common knowledge. I meant my comment as saying I didn't become alt-right, but at least was drawn towards conservative viewpoints much in the same was as was described in this video. I just didn't get sucked in as far as some others.
I'm sorry for the confusion, I hope this clears it up.
exactly these types of videos are toxic and people ended up following them and not realizing how bad they really are. i used to watch ben shapiro almost all the time. and now i stop
@Daniel von Strangle I haven't grown because the alt-right is growing? How does that work?
@@luvmewoad3484 Just to clarify: "happening upon differing viewpoints" is not what I meant by "falling down the rabbit hole". In fact, I strongly encourage checking out as many differing views as possible to make an informed choice. What I meant here by "falling down the rabbit hole" is diving deeper and deeper into views that are false or harmful.
I'm a lesbian who was turned onto the anti-sjw movement because of the lgbt political stereotypes people tried to force me into. i never wandered far enough into the alt-right because of the rampant homophobia and racism (my best friends growing up were all non-white, I couldn't betray them like that), but I did sympathize with the "everyone can have an opinion" narrative. while it's true that everyone can have an opinion, people should suffer the consequences for their opinions. i was an anti-feminist "egalitarian," but I realized later that I can be a feminist while disagreeing with the more radical side of the movement. I am very left-leaning and much more skeptical of everything I hear nowadays. glad u got outta there dude!
edit: this is really fun to come back to like a couple years later, cause now i identify as a trans man lol. i was very deep into transmedicalism due to the popularity of the ideology in the trans community and convinced myself that i wasn't trans enough to be trans. i went back and watched a few videos of people who weren't transmedicalists anymore and stumbled upon this comment of mine. just thought it'd be an interesting perspective of sorts. cheers on not being transphobic towards myself anymore :)
The alt-"right' are actually leftists in disguise. Don't be fooled by the name. What they stand for is leftist policies of control of the people through the State. That is leftism in a nutshell.
Alt-"right" is a Big Lie.
@@MsMuffetsTuffet Oh! I get it! So what it really is, is a catch 22 deceptive conspiracy created by the radical left to, controlled by..... Just stop. Juuuuuuuuuuuust stop. People on the left who want social acceptance for people in marginalized groups, did not start their own fucking smear campaigns, do not make abusive meme campaigns to harm those groups, they do not ironically vote for Trump.. so just stop. Those sorts of mental gymnastics to constantly make the left the boogie man are factually incorrect, and you know that. I would hope you know that. Events like the, "unite the right," rally were not leftist conspiracies. Whoever told you that, is deeply and shamelessly manipulative.
@Nick Bacigalupo A fascist march about white supremacy during this administration, is precisely the kind of thing that keeps anti-fascist and racial rights groups relevant. Do you think this is just spontaneous and in no way related to things getting more overtly more racist and fascist since this goon took office?
There were a Lot of people fooled into thinking there was a, "great replacement," to worry about.. and they had a rally, during this administration. The people who attended that rally are still around, the vast majority still participating in racial discrimination and fascist sentiment. Those are undoubtedly among and boosting the same voices saying, "Yeah, Floyd was just a thug. He didn't deserve 4th and 5th amendment protection. Forget about those. It's time for ACTION! It's time to be violent against minorities and the left!" ...And since those voices are still Very present, and leadership agrees with them.. then leadership, and those who protect it, need to be fought. Of course that's going to be ugly as hell.. it's been baited to be this entire administration. So yeah.. it's pertinent and relevant today.
@Nick Bacigalupo Because context and motive matter.
@Nick Bacigalupo More people have died as a result of far right extremism and domestic terrorism, but that's irrelevant, right? People dying at the hands of police that don't face appropriate charges.. would that also be irrelevant? As if this exists in a vacuum, or the causes are equal here. "The fellas who had the fascist race riot filled out paperwork, and only 1 person died, so they're the good guys."
Being a girl and laughing at the anti sjw compilations and defending guys in arguments abt feminism made me feel great. Being a pick me girl was a dark time in my life. The validation was great lmao
I mean, you CAN defend men and arguments against feminism without being alt-right.
@@Nakia11798 why? Feminism isn't opposed to men
@@Geminisparkles It depends on which version of feminism we are talking about. Second wave TERFs are absolutely against men, which is why they hate trans people so much they see trans-women as essentially men trying to infiltrate women's spaces for nefarious reasons. Third/fourth wave intersectional feminism is on the side of men too though because it recognizes that society needs both women and men to succeed to be healthy. So it's absolutely ok to defend men from the TERFs but if they are the alt-right "alpha" men the see women as objects to be controlled and dominated that's another story.
@@Nakia11798 I agree and I'm a feminist.
Same here and I'm Black on top. So much internalization. Now i watch those vids and realize how brave and right the ppl being made fun of were. Ben Shapiro, Milo, Jordan, etc etc and then i realized more about myself and woke up. Asked myself what do I actually stand for? Now I'm super radically left leaning but not in the way ppl would assume regarding government types i would prefer
Bro you lived with a lesbian farm couple that's pretty iconic
69th like, nice
Dude ikr
@The Sibearian Bearserker why?
@@I_love_dr_stone He became a right-winger while living with people who represent a very left-leaning lifestyle.
I’m friends with a lesbian farm couple. They’re pretty great.
I've noticed anti-SJWs criticize "SJWs" for being reactionary when they label anyone who criticizes Trump as an SJW
Check out alt right playbook
@@eatfrenchtoast From Innuendo Studio?
There's a diff between criticism and screaming "____ist/phobe" and "REEEEEEE". Being angry doesn't equal being right. Somewhere in the last 6 years people forgot this.
That’s not even true but when you say Trump is a racist, xenophobic homophobe and that’s why you didn’t vote for him that makes it pretty likely you are one
@Jack Schitt No not really, I don't know if that really happened to you specifically but "anti -sjw"s typically rejoice at the sign of someone not liking Trump for a legit reason. TDS insult only comes out when they irrationally hate on Trump or just mindlessly repeat the mainstream media's hate boner rhetoric.
Brother, I don't even know if you realize how beautiful of an act this is. I am a 6'3 gay black man who lives in LA, and I felt like you were a preacher and I was in church. What a lovely kind way to show people who are also broken (as we all are) that there is a way out. I have been grappling politically and emotionally for the last few years and I really appreciate how you shined a light on your self and allowed others to feel comfort in the wake. Thank you. Thank you.
I'm a white, hetero male and I want to thank you for your reply and to tell you that you and your life matter to me. First it matters because you're a Black man in a country that has and still treats you as a service closed citizen. Second: you're gay and I understand the difficulties you face there as well. My nephew coffee to end his life because he was white, gay and lived in the South where the persecution was too intense. His death taught me one major thing, those who hold their tongue and remain silent are complicit in those crimes. Only those who are vocal advocates and advocate for true acceptance and equality can truly claim to believe in a better country and a desire to make America great.
@@OldGuyStudent thank you for the response. It's completely admirable to find people that are understanding of the 21st century at your age and I respect that
I'm sorry what is ur height have to do with all of that?
@@БаронъМюнхгаузенъ you really don't understand the stereotypes and biases in the world if you must ask that question.
@Salma Mohammed >black men are seen as threats
lmao no
*Me:* Pigpuncher, huh? I guess it's to demonstrate his dislike of the way policing is done as an institution
*Xan:* i UsEd To PuNcH pIgS iN mInEcRaFt
Lmao
LOL
i mean it worked out pretty well lol
Overanalysing, done by literally everyone. It's so fucking human lol
Glad I’m not the only one who immediately thought of that lol
I’m an Indian man and when I was 19 I fell deep down this alt right rabbit hole. Those SJW compilations, Ben Shapiro owned compilations, and things of the sort really skew your perspective of politics. It wasn’t until I started associating with these people and noticed their deeply ingrained racism for Indians that I realized I was on the wrong side of things.
If I want to be treated with respect as an Indian, I must be willing to respect those that identify as gay, female, trans, and other minorities as well. That’s how I transitioned from the right to the left
Welcome aboard bud!
Beautiful....it all starts with respecting others as individuals.
Mr.T series
@@georgelincolnrockwell4659 Cope harder.
Subscribed to you. Congrats on moving left. I have many indian friends that are far right, suppprters of Moody and Trump... its sad
“A very nice lesbian couple who owned a farm and a couple of horses”. That doesn’t narrow it down much
it's in Wyoming
@@ElectricChaplain I hate to break it to you, but Wyoming doesn't exist
Finn *wyoming is a chunk error*
Finn i live in Colorado i can confirm there’s no such thing as wyoming
It doesn’t?
the word PragerU triggers my gag reflex
Why is PragerU so bad?
@@chaseasam7155 It's a bunch of hyper conservative talking points where nothing said is based in reality or would ever benefit the population in any way, funded by the Koch brothers and other mega rich groups doing everything they can to deceive the conservative population to vote against their own self interests and benefit only the wealthy.
@@chaseasam7155 Its one of the things on the internet that actually apply to the word "propoganda" that the alt- right love using so much.
I can totally relate. And in no way is this a joke. It really does that.
@@Bluudclaat it's kinda sad that you don't know how pathetic you sound lol
There's an alt right pipeline not only for young white guys, but for poc and lgbt people. Lots of us have a story about it especially considering how sticky anti sjw stuff was in the past decade
Very true, though I’d still say being a poc prevented me from going too far down the rabbit hole. At some point they can’t help but be openly racist and that snapped me out of it real quick.
Stop calling us POC and I'll be damned if I'm considered part of the Alphabet Mafia
Man as a trans, gay, Mexican guy I found myself falling down the pipeline for a second. I began interacting with trans scum content and a lot of things similar. I began disliking xenogenders and neopronouns and even began thinking of my online friends as stupid for using xe/xem pronouns. I even started watching some Ben Shapiro videos where he reacts to "woke" tiktoks or whatever. I think I was doing it for validation over anything else, I was tired of being ostracized and wanted to feel normal despite my sexuality. Now I've come more at terms with myself and don't feel the need to hide who I am. Even if I don't understand certain things it never hurts to be kind and accept someone. We're all people at the end of the day.
God yeah, I remember when Kalvin Garrah and Blaire White were still super popular within the online trans community. They've mostly fallen off at this point, but those were wild times
I'm trans, and I used to watch a lot of Kalvin Garrah and Blaire White stuff. I had issues with my identity at the time, being raised in a hateful Catholic community (not saying all Catholics are like that) I hated myself for being trans. I think I wanted to feel better than the stereotypical trans person, that I was a real man, and all the people comfortable with their femininity were lesser than. I hated the thought that all these people didn't have to be macho masculine to get their identity taken seriously.
Point is, the alt-right will play into your own insecurities. You think for a second that you belong in a community, that you'll be considered 'one of the good ones' amongst your peers if you just promote self-hatred. While it is more likely that young, insecure white guys are going to fall down the pipeline that's not always the case.
its weird how neonazis will always get the 'they are just trolling' treatment.
but SJWs, when they do something cringey, are always taken for being 100% serious.
also, big congrats on getting out of the alt-right.
The most disgusting double standard.
Because most alt right people tend to do things in a semi-joking manner just so that it can be deflected that way.
Because sjws are self-righteous, put themselves on a moral pedestal, and are anti-comedy. That is the essence of PC culture.
Adam s we got ourselves a gen-u-ine Nazi, lads.
@@CommanderKatelyn Shut the hell up, he is exactly right you fool
Contrapoints, she and another Spanish youtuber named "Quetzal" pulled me out of the alt right pipeline.
Contrapoints' video about "transtrenders" literally killed my transphobia.
Quetzal is pretty bad and oversimplifies a lot of stuff to "rich neoliberals bad"
@@b1378-v1y De hecho no, considero que sus videos son realmente buenos e interesantes. Pero estoy abierta a otras opciones, ¿Me recomiendas alguna? Pero si soy partidaria de #EatTheRich
@CLAUDIA DE LOS ANGELES IRRIBARRA RODRIGUEZ Sorry, I don't understand what you mean?
@CLAUDIA DE LOS ANGELES IRRIBARRA RODRIGUEZ Well I was pretty transphobic towards nb trans people (which they are totally valid 💜 and now I'm ashamed about my past thoughts) but the "trenders" video from Contra changed my whole perspective about them. If you are asking me about nb youtubers, then I really don't follow anyone because I haven't seen anyone who catched my attention. But if you know about nb youtubers, then can you recomend some to me?
@@JessHahaIdk Te recomiendo Miguel Anxo Bastos ó Love, Life & Anarchy
LIE, CHEAT, STEAL, NOTHING IS OFF LIMITS ON THE OLDEST ANARCHY SERVER IN MINECRAFT. WELCOME TO THE WORST SERVER.
you clearly havn't seen some of the less mainstream anarchy servers
2b2t is for normies compared to some servers i know
God gamer
God gamer
Mao Your pfp is hysterical lmao.
@@God-ch8lq I used to be part of an anarchy server run by my friend. relatively small, and he really didn't do anything in the ways of moderation. One time I log on and the ENTIRE SPAWN is claimed by some faction who built a wall around the whole thing so no new players could escape.
"feminism was out to get me, not just as a straight white dude.. but as a gamer" 😭😭😭😭 brotherrrrrrr
Feminism: "treat women like people!"
alt right men: *gets triggeredddd*
“I saw a video by PragerU”
Me: oh no nononono
Just hearing the name PragerU kicks up my fight or flight response.
What happens when you drop a baby? It fucking dies
@@InfinityBeingYT Did you know that when you whistle, AIR comes out of your MOUTH!?!
@@taylorbritt499 same. I instinctively want to kick someone when I here the name
@@yeetthefeet2504 same 😂
This might sound bad but I am a black guy who almost fell down the rabbit hole hearing about feminism, but I realized the same people that agreed with me about feminism being trash were also racist
Oh yeah. We are all minority groups that have faced oppression at some point. So the anti progression groups will almost certainly be racist as well
Don’t worry dawg. It isn’t something that has to go hand in hand.
Same here. Thought it was funny to be a 14 yr old Edgelord. I complained about every woman in a movie being feminist propaganda, I hated any even remotely left, and I became a Trump supporter. Then I realized that most people who agreed with me were fellow 14 yr old edge lords who embraced their intolerance. I stopped believing in science, everything that came from the left was a lie, etc, etc.
Same bro. And I'm a black girl who watched alt right conservative youtubers and fox news all day. Smh.
BRUH BALLER SAMEEEE. I don’t understand why I fell down that hole when every hole I fell down hated black people.
This assumption that "everyone on the Internet was Liberal" is so relatable. I used to think the same, and the realization that it wasn't true really shattered my world view when it happened. :(
There is usually a blend between the two on the internet but social media tends to have more liberals than conservatives.
@@alexanderkasson106 I actually think they are equal, but due to people seeing how outnumbered they are, they decide to say nothing
I feel like this was me, except just life in general. When I was a kid i was only listening to my family’s beliefs which were liberal, and I didn’t talk with anybody else about it so I assumed almost everybody had those views. When I became to really understand how it was I was shocked.
I found that the fitness communities I was really into were pretty right leaning
Now I just assume that everyone on the internet (outside of channels I know) is a conservative lol
Being a white guy it’s unsettling how familiar and relatable your story is. It was so easy back then to fall down the pipelines of hateful content that would cater towards you. I can remember most of my school friends all having those same sexist or homophobic views during our early years of high school. I think I was lucky in a sense to break out of this cycle early when I realised I was gay and that half those videos I’d been watching actually targeted me as well. That’s what helped me realise how wrong they all were at first and led me to wanting to defend the rights of other lgbtq people, people of colour and women. It took awhile but I was even able to convince my friends of how fucked up a lot of the stuff we’d previously watched and talked about was. But it just makes me think how long I might’ve been stuck in that cycle of I wasn’t gay and I can definitely see how vulnerable a lot of straight white guys are to being sucked into that toxic mindset when you don’t have something like I did to realise how wrong it was. So honestly big kudos to anyone how went though that and was able to break free of it
The whole video is still correct
Back then and still is now easy to fall down this pipeline
I grew up with a liberal "eat the rich" dad and somehow I fell into the rabbit hole too. What a cringy point in my life. Now we joke about eating Jeff Bezos on the daily.
Eating Jeff bezos crosses party lines
@@widebody_everything9562 No it definitely doesn't.
@@skepticmoderate5790 who tf are you? He owns the Washington post why wouldn't right wing people be opposed to him? Also you probably have had your programming updated by the post so chill commie
If he was liberal then why would he say "eat the rich"?
@@Scroteydada i'm not sure what you mean
It's rare to see a guy be that honest to him self an YT.
Way to go.
*himself
mcgeufer a person***
Techno Shirt huh?
Now if he could only be honest with us but he's almost surely not.
I was raised far right. Both my parents and sister are incredibly far right. What pulled me out of it was skateboarding, and punk music. Funnily enough, skateboarding is one of the most toxic communities, despite being “open minded”.
Tell me more about your story
Punk music is da best
What you mean far right what makes them far right?
My dad is pretty conservative and my mom is a weird mix of liberal and conservative. I'm a leftist. I don't know how this happened lol. Probably the internet let's be honest ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
i skated. Most of my friends who worshiped andrew reyonlds or koston were leftists, so try again
I remember being an "anti SJW" but that pretty much changed when a lot of the channels started expressing a lot of racist and homophobic views.
I sniffed the justifying homophobia a mile away after a while and then figuring out I was queer made me not able to really stand that community anymore
I mean, a lot of sjw shit is really cringe
Actually I'm black, I use to be conservative and etc. I was blinded by people ben shapiro and etc. I was younger and didn't realize injustice and discrimination. I had always watched videos of leftist and liberals yelling at the top of their lungs, so naturally me being in middle school and easily persuaded I sided with the conservatives. Now I'm in highschool and I see the problem and I see what's really going on in America.
Ikr
Dude literally the same thing happened to me wtf
@@captar7601 literally the same with me, I'm a senior now but in freshmen year I found hunter avalone and Ben Shapiro and got into that echo chamber which is super toxic
I had the exact same thing lol, laughing at SJWs in middle school and realizing the ppl those losers were distracting from had actual issues and valid complaints w the country
Aka you all got brainwashed.
Guys, it's so obvious
Being alt right is the new emo phase
Edit: sorry emos my bad fam, yall deserve better than this
@Nilly Sigger what?
yes. couldntve said it better
Nilly Sigger .... What if you’re actually transsexual? Dahell you mean?
Nilly Sigger I mean if they’re attention seeking to the point of being suicidal they’re probably is some psychiatric issues there.
Nilly Sigger Teenagers trying to find their identity?! Gosh this must be a new thing! Dem darn trends. Who’s heard of fazes? My problem with this line of thinking is I see a lot more people complaining about trans-trending than actual trans-trenders. This kind of stuff is what kept me locked in a closet for so long.
I'm a black and asian female and fell into the alt-right hellhole as well. There's so many things that contributed to it, but the biggest thing was my exposure to social media in HS. It was around this time I got my first smartphone, so that was my first deep dive into the internet.
I can just say this was the darkest time of my life, for I hated myself for being female and for questioning my sexuality.
It's comforting to see another person talking about this.
I'm curious to hear more about this
Same, I’m a black woman with immigrant parents and I also went down the right-wing hell hole. I was 15! 🥲 I feel is dumb honestly. But I relate to your experience
same here i was like 12 when it happened, i’m really ashamed abt it and if i could go back in time i would hospitalize myself for the shit i said and stood for. i was so misogynistic because i was “not like other girls” and it just makes me so fucking angry to know that i used to be like that, if i could go back in time i would murder myself or something i just really hate that and i wish i could erase that version of me from existence. it didn’t help that my social media at the time was basically an echo chamber because i only had pinterest, youtube, and discord. thankfully i got outta the whole anti-everything-that-is-left-leaning phase in like 8th grade and now i’m slightly less miserable and basically everything i didn’t support i am now in support of and seeing that the youtubers that started my transition into that alt right phase start to become more left leaning makes me feel good because they actually grew as people.
tl;dr, i went from mini candace owens (age 12-13) to a better version of myself (14-16 (present))
Same with me. Im black and nonbinary and i honestly feel so stupid looking back to when i thought like that. All my friends were just racist white boys that i would let use and call me the n word because i thought my life didn't matter. I felt like because I was black i was automatically inferior.
@@gay_papa weird thing to believe
Xanderhal,
Irrespective if you even read this I wanted to thank you - thank you for being the first step in my own escape from the Alt Right pipeline. This video was literally the first thing that kicked off my own journey back to reason. At the time, around 1.5 years ago (shortly after you posted this video), I was already quite deep into Harris, Peterson and Shapiro type content, my own thoughts and beliefs clouded by skepticisms and denials of gender, race and social inequalities - it was a matter of time before I would take the next step and open myself up to further right-wing ideas. By mere chance and some luck, there was still a tiny part in my brain that encouraged me to keep an open mind and be willing "listen to the other side" one last time - which is why I watched this video. From there on, the Destiny-Jon Tron video pushed me more towards Destiny and later Vaush's content which further made me realize just how flawed, manipulative and outright wrong the ideas I previously held were.
My story's nothing staggering or special compared to some other people's, but I'm just so happy to be where I am now in regards to my state of mind and beliefs that I just felt compelled to share this and thank you for putting this content out there. Otherwise, I don't know what I'd be like today.
I think the main take away here is that RUclips algorithm sucks. Once you even got a glimpse of a rabbit hole, they will push you further and further down without you realizing.
Yeah, and it seems to be always the right wing stuff they recommend first. I didn’t search it up first. But I did search um my current left wing views.
I agree, clicked on this video just to see what it is and now all I'm getting is the same "SJW owned" stuff yet now its "AnCap owned" or "Nazi owned", going through the comments all I can really see is people went down the right rabbit hole and something happened and they went into the left rabbit hole. It's sad to see, reminds me of why I quit going on this god forsaken platform in the first place
@@amurrjuan The Algorithm probably changed over time, but I don't think I've ever gotten right wing stuff recommended to me and a whole lot of left wing stuff is thrown onto me. Which is fine, I'm a leftist, but sometimes I just want to watch cat videos instead of rants about important things xD
a lot of the algorithms are like that, you interact with something once and it keeps getting worse. tiktok is a big one
@@curtiss__holley
I think you probably should get off of YT.
If you can't tell a Nazi from a anti-Nazi you may have little ability to make any decision.
The heartwarming story of an incel becoming a Chad.
@@MrCmon113 bruh 😂
More like an incel becoming a white knight lol
REMEMBER CITADEL - Video Game Music the kind of white night who don’t ask for cooch tho 😳
@@remembercitadel-videogamemusic I mean before people took it and used it ironically White Knights were considered pretty chad
@@remembercitadel-videogamemusic waiting for your "how I fell down the alt right rabbit hole" vid In a few years.
The guy is such a gamer that he talked about all of this *while* cosplaying Steve.
As in Destiny?
@@iamdanyboy1 minctaft
Daniel Majumder Oh yes, Steven Bonnel, the main protagonist of Minecraft
Left tube is also a pipeline to the altright
@@avithemostill lmao
I grew up a Republican (unfortunately), and my entire family (full of registered Republicans) gained suspicion around 2019 and 2020. We are devout Christians in the LDS Church. We actually voted against Trump in 2020 and was the most American thing I've ever done. We put country over party, and ended up leaving the party after the Jan 6 terrorist attack orchestrated by Trump. We gave it a year or two to see if the Republican Party will redeem themselves and abandon Trump. But they clearly did not. The party slowly became less of a party and more of a cult and I will never EVER associate myself as a Republican again. I am so lucky I escaped the Republican cult. I can be a devout Christian AND proudly support America by voting for Kamala Harris in 2024.
Congratulations! I wish it wasn’t the case and that both parties were in support of democracy, our American people and the rule of law but, unfortunately times have changed in the last decade. It’s hard to shake part of your identity like that so, again, congratulations! You deserve it and so does your family
While I am now more left leaning, I left the anti-SJW movement when they started to bitch at everything like SJWs and I realized they are just the exact same
and now you've realized it's joining a "movement" that's the problem.
I feel ya. I noticed a while ago the worst of both sides are just carbon copies of each other. It’s so ironic it’s funny.
@@existenceispain4333 That's mostly because a terrible human is a terrible human, no matter their beliefs. The only real difference between right-wingers and libtards is how much idiocy they're willing to vote for. Screeching manhater feminist? Yeah no liberals are going to vote them into politics. Screaching gay-hating evangelical? Hah! Right-wingers will vote for that in a heartbeat, anything to pwn the libs.
I did the same with anti feminism. I don't think that feminism really has a reason to exist anymore because I think it did its job and as far as I know women have equal rights. However, a few months ago I kind of woke up and realized that many in the anti feminist community don't really have women's best interest. I have seen many anti feminists talk about how life would be so much better if women would just stay home and raise kids. I've seen how many of them act like women are just out to get them. Don't even get me started on the MGTOW guys. Yuck. I've since then learned that I don't have to subscribe to a movement like feminism or anti feminism in order to believe in the values that they have. I think men and women are both equal in value and I think they both have problems that need to be adressed.
@@Marth592 agreed, honestly. even when i fell down the pipeline, i could see that mgtow was a sack of shit lmfao. though, i still label myself a feminist because abortion rights and all.
this was the first "leftist" video i'd ever watched and since then i've learned so much and have come so far and for that i thank you
how does it feel?~^^
Centrist!!!!;👏 I'm starting another party✨
Same here
@Esben M I'm a centrist
@@taylormatthews6086 hell yeah
Honestly, as a white dude, it’s scary how relatable this is.
@Gabe. yes let’s go
Same here. Agreed.
Me too fucking hell
And all of us probably used to joke abt how asians are all the same lmao, I miss the vibe of being so naive, but fuck man, no way im going back to being that lost. And god I thought of myself as such a fucking smartass, the only good thing about it is that now, I got a bunch of JP whorshipping andrew tate gatekeepers all around me, I have a chance to redeem myself and talks have been interesting lately.
They constantly cut whatever moment short to reference tate or other idiots, then tell me i'm the one who seeks to talk about politics, and i won't lie, it's funny as fuck to see a bunch of guys that listen to rap and dress casually and clearly wanna be progressives but are too scared of denying the capitalist machine, the hypocrisy of wanting to say slurs so bad for no reason but only feeling like doing it when our non white/gay/female friends aren't around.
They clearly know the implications of saying things, they will argue that saying that doesnt make you a bigot because you can say it as a joke but still choose not to say it because they are simultaneously aware that it WILL cause discomfort. So they recognize the leftist concept that the word is oppressive, why want to say it so bad? It's like, I can say Heil Hitler as a joke but I've gone my whole life without actually saying that to anyone because guess what, that wouldn't sit well with most people, should I say it's a violation of my freedom then? conservatives dont do research it's discouraging.
Why
I was pregnant with a girl in 2016. I have never hated this country more. It's bizarre how people gaslight you and say you are not experiencing mistreatment while they actively mistreat you. I was listening to a man who would become the president brag about sexually assaulting women and I did NOT want to raise my daughter here. I hope we can all learn from this time period.
Stories like these are really critical for deradicalizing young men, and making sure it doesn't happen to boys in the first place. Thanks for sharing this.
Bless your heart, this is so helpful to me as a feminist I’m trying to learn not to be so harsh with young people who seem so lost in their views because that only pushes them further into the rabbit hole
@@Dooom65 👁️👁️
These replies are cringe
which wave? and what part of society is keeping women down?
@so so feminsim that is actually for equality is good, not the kind that believes in the wage gap and patriarchy.
@so so there is no such things as a wage gap or any laws which favor any sex in any particular way. Jesus christ just watch an economics video for once.
its crazy how strong confirmation bias is, people will literally surround themselves with people and content and 'information' that only confirms their existing beliefs/feelings.
Pretty much me personally im on the right side of the political spectrum but will still watch CNN MSN or stuff like this because it gives a different perspective
i can confirm that actually reading mises and rothbard will create a confirmation bias so strong it will permanently cause you to become an anti-government libertarian and you will never look at a police officer, federal agent or establishment politician again without seeing a literal personification of pure oppression and evil
Surrounding yourself with similar thinking people to confirm their beliefs is literally why people are protesting
This is the beating heart of the conservative movement. Things are changing, and they don't want things to change. They recognize that things may not be anywhere near perfect, but they know what their place is in the world. There's comfort in knowing that you know from day to day that everything is in its place. But when they have to face the things they thought they knew to be true and find those things are not as simple as they once thought, they grow frightened. It's a scary thing, walking out your door and finding that the world is not what you thought it was. That's why the culture of ignorance surrounds the conservative movement. They don't want to know, if it's going to change things.
@@dashripkin or maybe they're scared because people are getting beat up for having differing views
Videos like this are so important. As an older millennial, I didn't grow up with online influences so I didn't understand why there was so much alt-right extremist voices in online fandom. This has been so enlightening and also shows that there is hope for people to get out of spiral.
I never fell into the “alt-right”, rabbithole, but I was heavily into “anti-sjw” outrage, not realizing that I was just as “triggered”, close-minded, and easily offended as the people I’m mad at. I also realized that most feminists that I know were really chill, nice people, as well as the fact that a few of my beliefs were very feminist. I’m still not a fan of “SJW” type stuff, but I’m thankfully not as childish and close-minded.
I’m not a leftist either, but I’m at least more open to hearing leftists out. Years ago I probably would’ve never given a channel like Contra Points a chance. But when I discovered her channel last year, I thought “Hey, this is actually visually stunning and raises interesting points”
And thankfully I phased out around late 2015-early 2016, so I never became a Trump supporter.
That being said, that Law & Order gamergate episode is still and always will be complete ASS lmao
Really well said
I was in the same boat. Luckily I didn’t fall too deep in the rabbit hole.
Character development!!! I'm so glad. When I was younger I watched feminist rage videos despite being a girl (luckily still hated trump and still do) and was a massive gatekeeper w trans people and said retard all the time. Last year I got more open minded w everything (weirdly thanks to tiktok) and now I just want people to be happy and have a good life.
I came dangerously close to that rabbit hole a while back too. Glad some good friends ended up pulling me out of it before I sank too deep.
DemonJunky hey man I thought modern feminism was about hating men for a while too in my late teens... glad we are both out of that shit now x
Vine compilations got me out of that hole.
One moment I was upset about the 4 female ghost busters, then suddenly: “ 4 female ghost busters?! The Feminists are taking over! *I’m an adult virgin!*
I love that vine, I heard it in my head. It just plays randomly sometimes lol.
When your dog eats...Dick Cheney made money off the Iraq War.
Thank you for your video. I'm a psychiatrist and therapist working in Christchurch, NZ. My community had been through so much with the 2011 earthquakes and just when we thought things couldn't get any worse, the Christchurch shooting took place. I was heartbroken, and not to mention, furious.
My patients were deeply affected, my Muslim friends lost entire families and social groups, and the country reeled in grief and disbelief.
I wasn't much a political person prior to the shooting. But the shooting changed everything for me. I now know that hatred and bigotry transcend borders not just geographically, but it can move from the digital to the real world. As a psychiatrist, it felt so powerless to look at my patients in the eye and say to them that there was nothing I can do about the tragedy except maybe prescribe some sleeping pills and tranquilizers. I felt I needed to do something even if it meant that my efforts are going to prove ultimately inconsequential.
Several weeks after the shooting, I was asked to interview a young caucasian man whose mother was growing increasingly concerned about his anger outbursts. I thought to myself that it was most likely a case of substance abuse, depression/anxiety, ADHD, or maybe a personality disorder. But this young man was none of those things except perhaps a little socially awkward. He was in his early 20s, a hardcore gamer, has little or no real-life social contact, and was actively participating in a forum called '8Chan' where videos of the shooter were uploaded.
This man (let's call him Mr. X) was seething with anger. Usually, when faced with an angry patient, I'd do my best to understand their position and validate their concerns. This strategy would de-escalate angry situations in 90% of all cases (unless patients are psychotic/delirious/manic) but any attempts at understanding Mr. X only made him angrier. He saw me as the 'enemy' simply because I worked for the 'state', and any attempts at trying to help were misconstrued as an effort to undermine his cause and beliefs. When asked about his beliefs, he started expressing sympathy for the Christchurch shooter and began blaming mental health services, the government, and people like me (who worked for mental health services that are funded by the government) for the shootings. In his mind, the shooter was a victim more than a perpetrator of a horrific crime.
At this point in time, the situation was becoming increasingly volatile because I sensed that he truly identified with the shooter. He told me he had watched the video of the shooting and read his manifesto. I thought perhaps I should change the topic but it was too late by then. He later stormed out of the interview room and took off in his mother's car. Moments later, his sister rang the crisis hotline and informed me that Mr. X was going to kill himself by driving erratically. I was afraid he was going to kill himself and take some pedestrians with him, so I got the police involved and they launched a manhunt and brought him to the hospital where he was committed.
Mr. X spent just 4 days in hospital and was reviewed by 3 other psychiatrists who couldn't find any evidence of mental illness other than describing him as an 'angry young man with unusual beliefs'. He was subsequently discharged and we never heard from him again. His anger had since reduced and we extracted a promise from him that he would socialize with real people and stop visiting the chan boards.
The reason why I'm telling you this story is to highlight the importance of what people like you are doing, that is spreading awareness about the toxic right-wing ideology and counteracting it with facts, historical context, and empathy. I'm sure there are lots more to the puzzle other than people like you, for example, Mr. X's mother was very enabling and did not set boundaries for him while allowing him to spend all his day in his room gaming. Arguably, things may not have escalated to this level if his mother would've stepped in sooner. But I'm not judging anybody here because I'm sure his mother did not anticipate this herself.
You are the last line of defense against an ideology that killed 51 people of my community. I can't do videos like you because of my profession, it is in my and my patient's best interest that I remain as anonymous as possible on the internet. I don't have a facebook or twitter account because patients will look up their doctors and some will engage in stalking type behaviour. That's why I rely on people like you to keep up this fight on social media.
This is a problem of our generation and I think you are a hero for doing what you do, alongside people like Natalie from contrapoints and Ollie from philosophy tube and Shaun etc. I've subscribed to them on Patreon since the shooting. :)
Spread the word. :)
I am a social worker in the USA and can identify with this toxic anger that you discuss. I have even encountered it in some of my colleagues. Great write up.
So, blaming a political philosophy for it's extremist's actions is the exact same as blaming a religion for it's extremists. You're the same hypocrite you advocate against.
@@jeremygreen8423 I think you missed the point
@@cjsyblik3296 what's the point then? Because I escaped the Alt Right tunnel as well, but I still don't advocate for hating someone's political affiliation.
Thank you for your work, As someone who has suffered through both events I know how hard it is for someone to cope with.
March 15th was the reason I de-radicalized from the Alt right/ Alt lite and I sometimes wish I never held beliefs that killed many people in my home city. So again thank you for your work
I got sucked into anti-SJW culture even as a queer woman*, “I’m not a feminist, I’m an egalitarian” was like my catchphrase- for me it was fueled by super niche Tumblr micro identities and bad hot takes and stuff like that and me not realizing that the few kids on one website exploring their identities did not represent social justice as a whole
Bro I didn’t think other people went through the same “phase”. This really resonated with me, thanks!
Glad to hear it!
Same here, I have been so, so ashamed of that part of my life except I was literally 14, had tonnes of internalized homophobia and transphobia.
@@pictlander757 Literally same here. All through high school I was like this, though fortunately I grew out of it.
Same! Literally down to the minecraft and ERB lmao
It’s scary to think I could’ve fallen further down since I was only 12 and it basically birthed my “political stance.” I eventually grew out of it and I only ever got to Leafy Keemstar and H3H3 and all that. I don’t really know what my views are but they’re somewhere between liberal and leftist and I’m so happy about that.
When I was a kid, younger, naive, I genuinely thought racism and bigotry was on the decline too. I thought we were all equal.
Oh through the eyes of a babe. I look back on my youth with such chagrin
imagine thinking racism is anywhere near as prevalent as it has been in the past 100 years
@@paleoleft Imagine thinking that the poster said racism is as prevalent as it has been in the past 100 years. Work on your reading comprehension instead of being reactionary and irrational.
@@theawesome8654 "i thought racism and bigotry were on the decline" hmmm i guess its true that americans have a shitty education system cause you cant seem to understand basic statements
Bobby Moore racism and bigotry hasn’t declined as much as it should have by now. Although it is ‘better’ than it was hundreds of years ago, mostly because of the efforts of oppressed groups and has become more hidden systematically.
@@simphiwemalinga8723 1. yes it has
2. that's not real
I'm black, had a very similar experience. Wasn't Alt-Right, but I was very, very right leaning. Didn't stand by any kinds of racism, but SJWs were the enemy. My irl and online friends were pretty right leaning too. What sorted me out was college and becoming close with a classical feminist. She was probably one of the most well informed women I've ever met. Through conversation she educated me on a lot. I still hold some conservative views, but I'm no longer homophobic like I used to be, and hold a much more left or center leaning view on many topics.
the same exactly for me
I am also black and the same thing happened to me. Can’t remember when I made the switch, I think a Stefan M video got to me and I woke up!
We're carbon copies of each other. It's harder to get black people further down the rabbit hole cause once we find out you're racist, we're out lol. As for me, while I escaped the pipeline and now have a more nuanced view of the left, I still find myself annoyed by the left enough that I remain firmly center-left. At this point though, conservatism is not even an option and I find them even more annoying, but sometimes just sad.
Same here, but it’s hard to get far down the rabbit hole once you start running into racists. I still lean towards right views but not too far and same with the left
lol same happened to me and I am a practicing Muslim women. So I am the epitome of what the alt-right hates. I think what made me go down the anti-SJW rabbit hole was the over the top sensitivity of some. came out fast once righties started hating on me openly when I spoke about my identity.
I hear that phrase "I don't agree with Nazis but I'll defend their right to free speech" I wonder if they would say the same about leftists, communist, anarchists and the like
Yes, if they want to waste their crappy lives away larping about role playing in some fantasy world. Go right ahead.
Except only one of those actually harms peoples
@umi2751 I'm assuming you mean Nazis, and if that's the case you need to look at the purges done by Lenin, and Stalin as well as the violent repressions done by the communists in Eastern Europe from 1945-1991.
Also, look at the repressions towards the Ughur Muslims in China
@bulgarianreaper6587 those weren't done because of ideologies...they were done because of certain individuals.
@@JT-yl9yt you are seriously claiming that purges done by NKVD weren't ideological? That alone would sentence you for doubting the conviction of party bonzas, OF COURSE communist party of Soviet Union was ideological. So were Pol Pot, Che Guevara, Ceausescu and other war criminals. Also dismissing ONGOING ethnic cleaning of Uyghurs as "certain individuals", the entire CCP, is ridiculous.
A lesbian couple with a farm 2 houses and some horses is honestly my aesthetic
Honestly just the type of vibe I'm trying to find for myself lol
It's super goals
Right???? They were cottagecore before cottagecore was a thing
cottagecore niggas are elite
thats exactly what i wanted to say
This can happen to anyone. I was like this two years ago and I was a fourteen year old BLACK female. I'm still disgusted to this day by myself. All I watched was Sjw Gets Owned videos and Ben Shapiro😔🖕🏽
Dude as a 16 year old female I unironically larped as an incel, spending more time than I’d like to admit on unsavory forums. 🤮 You aren’t alone 😔
Same, I was so close to becoming a BLACK nazi. 2015-2018 was wild.
@@utrix_1121 yeah same, it's pretty scary how we got mixed up with that shit
@@utrix_1121 dude I even believed in the "great replacement of white ppl" 💀 I'm ashamed.
@@stuffz4040 we doing better now✊🏽
Me in 2017: a “centrist” who hated anything left other than the groups i happened to be part of
Me in 2020: À la guillotine Monsieur Bezos!
Or as philosophy tube once eloquently put it, “hang the parasites! All power to the workers!”
I was the same way lol
same i really thought i was a ‘centrist’ just bc i had been radicalised on some levels but probably still knew deep down that i was wrong. i was just confused
Are u french? that’d be hot
@Moral Relativism I feel it
I only just *barely* missed falling into the pipeline. My brother basically jumped into it and tried to explain anti-feminism to me. I started on the sjw's owned videos but I quickly escaped thanks to my mother, grandmother and communist cousin. Now I'm being educated on what almost happened to me, and I am beginning the attempt to get my brother out. Thank you for making this video, it helps explain a lot of what happened to both me and my brother. Definitely going to subscribe.
Communist cousin? Yikes.
@@StevenZissimos it’s a family joke she is not actually communist more ~socialist
@@sigmarizzlerking Sounds like a social democrat. Maybe don't throw around the term communist if you want to be taken seriously in the future lol. That's typical right wing nonsense they say about everyone on the left. "Radical Marxist communists"? Sound familiar?
Shout out of love and gratitude to your mother, grandmother, and communist cousin!
How lucky you are to have such wonderful people in your life!
I hope your brother has been liberated from these debilitating and hateful movements.
Wishing you and your family tons of great things!
“I’m not a feminist, I’m an egalitarian” oof too relatable. Want to go back and shout at my younger self sometimes.
For me it was "im a humanist"
yeah that sentence slapped me in the face
I still think that about myself, lol.
what is so wrong about being an egalitarian?
Rubin turned me a "libertarian" ✋🏽😔🤚🏽
Dan T generalizing all feminists according to your personal experience is the problem. Any educated feminist will absolutely agree that men face injustice in some ways (domestic violence claims etc). Invalidating men is not the objective it’s to feel like we are being heard as *equals*.
- An American feminist who FULLY understands the scientific method. It is NOT “beyond” me.
this reminds me of how i almost fell into the alt right and i honestly spewed so many dog whistles without knowing. i hated non-binary people and i was just super “i’m not like other girls” and believed women shouldn’t express themselves like that. it was awful. i used to laugh at sjw cringe comps and everything, but deep down i knew there was something wrong. like i knew it wasn’t right. i never liked trump and honestly my science teacher, who was one of the few adults i could talk politics with, saved me from falling down there because of it mutual hatred for trump and how we always made trump jokes. without him, idk where i’d be. i also got out of a friendship with someone who was a self admitted fascist and i didn’t know what it meant and i was too young to even understand fully. (he was also grooming me if that tells you anything). once i got out, i was pretty apolitical for a while but then my hatred of trump revived and i started looking more into politics overall and started my leftist radicalization because of my mom’s friend’s husband on facebook. he’s a really cool god father, and he’s taught me so much about leftist ideology. i was so close to going down that route but i escaped and i’m so glad
Oh my god I had such a similar experience growing up. Trump really helped me see the light and realize all of the ways I’d been brainwashed. I was so miserable back then and I hated so many parts of myself, and didn’t even recognize the issues when I was groomed, objectified and even sexually harassed growing up.
Define left
when you say "left radicalization" what do you even mean? Both sides have plenty of genocidal ideologies.
thank you for this. for myself, i'm not even totally averse to regular conservatives. i may not agree with them every time, but i've been able to take their points in and ruminate on them. anti-progressive sermons haven't even stopped me going to church. then the alt-right came and simply hijacked them on both sides of the pond. the left may have been devastated when they won in 2016, but the real tragedy, if only they'd realize it, is on the side of the (traditional) right.
I love your science teacher - and am grateful for your intuition.
Wishing tons of great things for you - and your science teacher!
(from a retired science teacher - who also helped students open their minds and ideas)
I mistook "breadtuber" for "redtuber" and was like "man this guy likes porn."
Lol
A man of culture
man of culture here folks
I went down a similar path as an edgy young teenage boy, hating on trans people and making racist jokes and now I'm a girl so hey lol
please don't be transmaxxing, please don't be transmaxxing
@@Barbabonbon wtf is transmaxxing
If I understood it well, it's when a women hating man becomes a trans women to "benefit" from women "priviledges". obv. it's deep 4chanstuff
No you're just a guy in lipstick and girl's clothes.
@@Barbabonbonhave you ever met someone like that in real life or heard about it?
I used to be there too, anti-SJW videos and the whole using "logic" to defeat leftists made me feel like they were the smart ones and the evil leftists were dumb.
And then they tried to deny climate change, and rewrite history with whitewashing theocratic crap and...yea as someone who knows history well I couldn't just fall by that
...then I looked at the anti SJW videos... and they weren't even using logic either, they just said they looked bad in smart ways.
2016 was a dark year and there are some people who werent lucky like me and dint get out before it was too late
Umm, literally who actually believed the whitewashing thing? And the only thing I heard about climate change, at least from the less radical right wing/centrists was that it was real, but it wasn't possible to stop, my main issue on the climate change thing is that the left has never actually had a real solution to climate change, and we're just using it to bludgeon their opponents. They would say climate change is bad, then leave the venue in their private jet.
@@baconsalad9743
You're literally the kind of person made fun of in this comment and you still do it
@@TheTheThe_ Kid, you are LITERALLY ignoring his valid points by screeching because the propoganda you watch is against people with good hearts and common sense.
@@ottoiofgreece7585
Mfw you get destroyed
@@TheTheThe_ Because saying he got "destroyed" makes it so. Apparently.
I'm 51, a Gen X member who grew up with many "conservative values" that I slowly began to lose as I watched the world around me. I believed California was the bastion of the crazy, dangerous liberal agenda and plots to lure hetero guys to homosexuality.
Then in November of 1992, I lost my job, my house and had nowhere to go and someone offered me a place to stay in Sacramento. I arrived at the conservative capital of California, Sacramento suburb of Citrus Heights which at the time was whiter then sour cream.
Coming from a predominantly Black suburb of Baltimore, I lacked any real racism and bigotry but still believed the crime and other bullshit about welfare, drugs and babies for cash aid lies. But in Citrus Heights, I realized I had gone three months without seeing a Black person walking down the street, in stores or the shopping mall. It was weird. Then I got stopped by police walking home one night because I didn't look like I belonged. I had been to a night club and was dressed in expensive clothing:. Guess silk shirt, Navy Blue Guess Jeans and Royal Blue Sketcher shoes. Glowstick bracelets and Walkman. I was drunk but not inebriated. The questioning led to a search for drugs that turned up a pack of Marlboro Reds and nothing more. But the NWA and Public Enemy blasting on my Walkman got derogatory comments. I will as let off with a warning not to be loitering in this area again.
Flash forward to today and I am a Progressive member of the left and I see a future where mankind has progressed past the social issues of today closer towards the human eutopia.
Thanks for sharing your story.
I feel you completely. I was raised with radical right wing views (think Ted Nugent), and to at least some degree, I agreed with the idea that every idea deserved to be spoken and I agreed with some of the more edgy ideals as well. I felt that nobody on the left shared the edgy sense of humor, that they were opposed to the idea of it. Life experience got me out of it. I met new people, did new things, it was like as soon as 18 hit I completely changed. I grew out my hair, got harassed and threatened by the police, I started really looking at the system, especially under the current president. I felt sickened with who I had been, and I didn't want anything to do with that person. If I met that person today, I would loathe them. I cast my vote, blue down the ballot. Putting my past behind me and solidifying a change was liberating, even though I already knew I was a completely different person. Like Xanderhal said, it's really a matter of whether or not you become a Nazi or a Communist when you're in high school, and it all depends on the grooming you got as a kid and who gets to you first. Thank you for sharing you story.
Wouldn't it be nice if a utopia would economically and socially work? It would. Sadly, it just doesn't. History shows over and over again that socialism and related ideas of equality have always been shown to fail. Interestingly enough, extreme cases of this, like the USSR, actually spawned extremist fascist ideas. I'm not trying to point this out as a conspiracy, but today's society is very reminiscent of this.
@@haxeddroidzmc1785 do you know what socialism is? literally no country in the history of the world has ever truly been socialist. the consequences of all of this shit is all capitalism.
@@haxeddroidzmc1785 Uh, Communism isnt Socialism and the two terms cannot be used interchangeably. Simply put, your arguments are fallacious.
@@RedRaiRobot Socialism is the opposite of capitalism. You can see this in countries like Greece, where they sacrifice economy for other benefits.
Moral of the story: don’t let other people think for you... that’s it.
Maris I guess that’s right
that's correct, do your own research
This should go across the board. I’m libertarian, and while I do disagree with some points in this video, it is absolutely critical for people to do their own in depth research. This is a skill that people everywhere seem to lack and it’s a real shame.
I think such is inevitable for someone like me with disruptive ADHD. I can't keep track of enough information to actually research entire ideologies or viewpoints by myself, which is why breadtube was perfect for me
@@Smung Really you can form your own opinion without researching every single day. You have your own morals, right? And watching you tubers is excellent, but its good to have your own opinion and challenge or research if something seems off to you
honestly, i am a black, latin, and son of immigrants and still ended up falling down the alt-right pipeline! it was a crazy era, and it started from edgy humor and gaming for me. obviously based on who i am i ended up turning left naturally. no one really helped me in or out of the alt-right pipeline, no one really knew and i tried not to talk about it to anyone at school or home. i was turning bad very quickly.
"...when she brought up a movie called the red pill"
me: oh no
"...i discovered a video by prageru"
me, with feeling this time: *oh no*
seriously though this is a really well done video, it was very eye-opening to hear your story! thanks for sharing it.
HAHAHA. I actually LOL'd at this comment. While I actually found The Red Pill quite interesting, I totally agree with the sentiment of this comment. GOLD.
@@luvmewoad3484 Yeah, PragerU isn't alt-right in my opinion, they're just illogical assholes
@@aname7848 they also push anti-science bullshit
@@aname7848 Another childish ad hominem attack with no examples or thoughtful points to back it up.
@@brentkaufman1723Firstly, my comment wasn't ad hominem. Ad hominem means that the attack was directed towards a person rather than their opinions. Prager U is not a person, and my grievences are entirely to do with the content and opinions they foster. I'll give some examples from recent videos:
- "Will Witt at University of Denver: Make Men Masculine Again". Firstly, he tries to assert that feminine men are somehow harmful or lesser than masculine men. How does he justify this, you ask? He tries to claim that they aren't men, that we need men to stand up for American values (which I would pose woman can do equally as well). A man being feminine doesn't make him any less of a man. He then brings up the suicide rate, which has nothing to do with men being less masculine. *Then*, he sidetracks and says men are unfulfilled because they don't want to get married and are 'godless', and claims godless men can't have values or morals. This is simply not true. Religious morals aren't the only morals.
- "Why are so many young people unhappy?" He tries to explain why suicide rates are rising primarily because of 'loss of values'. And by values, of course, Dennis means American values. He strings together facts about America being a prosperous country (which, of course, it is; it is a highly influential nation) to make the claim that everyone who isn't American wants to move there. Whether he sees that as a threat or not, I can't be sure, but I can say that while stating facts is not chauvinistic, being so pompous as to ignore that (a) money doesn't bring all happiness and (b) other countries have rich and vibrant culture, and also thrive in their own way regardless of how economically stable they are. Then, he talks about big government, middle class values etc that are 'under attack by American elites'. Out of nowhere he tries to tie the 'lack of values' (of which he has provided no evidence) to the rate of single mothers increasing, and birth rates falling. These two facts are not at all related. Patriotism is also apparently a value which is causing more men to harm themselves because they have less of an American identity. Does a lack of meaning contribute to suicidal tendencies? Of course. But religion (his second claim), while it helps, does *not* contribute to suicidal tendencies increasing. Why? Because atheists aren't forced into being non-religious. They choose to. They find other values than Christianity. And a lack of patriotism also doesn't tie into being more suicidal, nor does a lack of marriage or children.
These are only a couple of examples. If you want me to cite more, I will. But generally I dislike PragerU because of its focus on religion, traditional beliefs above all, and generally a lack of scientific proof/understanding for the most important topics. I wonder if you could say the same for organisations you dislike.
ah yes, a fellow member of the "deradicalized by Destiny" gang. as much as we may disagree with Destiny, he doesnt get enough credit for all the work he has done deradicalizing people.
10000% true
Kyle Kulinski too, though folks tend to find Destiny easier as he speaks directly to the griftertube.
Fairy tail... ❤️
@@interdimensionalsteve8172 I say this as a proud liberal, but Kyle is definitely close to the radical left.
@@ogolthorp ... just the fact you use the term "radical left" in general tells me you are either a CNN-liberal or a conservative. Sorry, but you can't use conservative framing and expect any love from the left.
I think Jreg is the end for everyones political journey on youtube
I've watched almost every one of his videos, and I still can't tell what his political leanings are. I'm constantly asking myself, "What is this? Where am I? How did I here?"
@@cyancyborg1477 commence the centricide
the Emperor of man so, you want robot limbs, but only for aryan race and you wish to obtain those robot limbs through communism? Ellaborate. I like it
@the Emperor of man okay where do i sign up
@@cyancyborg1477 how can you say you've watched almost all of his videos and not realise that it's pretty obvious he's a neolib/socdem? especially with the less satirical ones
The video mentioned Notch and he's actually one of the reasons I almost fell down the pipeline... I never got super far into it, but I was pretty into the anti-SJW content for a while a few years back. It doesn't help that my primary friend group at school was from my church and naturally, super conservative and themselves slipping down the alt right pipeline. I was also a huge Minecraft fan and I would read Notch's tweets pretty often, well before he went off the deep end, even.
When he did go off the deep end, it was around the same time I was into this stuff, and it was also the first time I'd actually heard about trans people outside of my old church and the stupid attack helicopter memes.. I found myself really agreeing with his tweets and I had a lot of pretty extreme anti-feminist and transphobic ideals because of communities like this.
I don't remember fully how I got out of these ideologies other than just spending more time around more accepting people and becoming more aware of issues these groups face, but a huge reason was I finally started to confront the source of why I found myself believing these things so strongly in the first place... it was an amazing method of suppressing my crippling gender dysphoria.
if you told 18 year old me that I would go through a gender transition three years later, he would've lost it, but he was also chronically depressed, antisocial, hateful, and unable to understand why. Now as a left-leaning trans woman, I've never been happier and so glad I found the place in the world I was searching for all this time. :)
the sad part is notch used to be super cool saying stuff like all minecraft animals are agender...
This video is pretty scary to me, first time really looking into the term “alt-right pipeline” and I realize how close I came to falling down it to
watch "Three Arrows" it will keep you out of it
Magma Kojote that is the leftist pipeline
@@achrispymicropp6712 More like the well researched videos pipeline.
@@achrispymicropp6712
Even then you should still qualify how that's bad, there are plenty of ways to argue against (far) right ideas (Including those of Biden) as self defeating to harmful without upside....on the other hand a government pays my tuition (500€ max copay) and the tax rates I face are much less scary than student loans (even if I went to private university, I couldn't afford bancrupcy would be an exit).
Same man
I’m a white Latina and I literally had the SAME experience as you. I’m so happy that I ran away from that. I’m so happy that you did too. I hate that I betrayed my original views because of social media influence. But I know better now
@Go Away She can have any name just like I'm a dude with an anime girl pfp.
I fell down the rabbit hole as well as a black teen. It was only a little while until the BLM protest and I was uneducated at that time. I considered myself an anti-SJW and anti-Feminist at the time before changing my views. I used to watch alt-right country and I started hating myself. When I started learning left when it goes on to politics and I am learning more. I learned about fascism, the alt-right and their tactics from Innuendo Studios and Renegade Cut from reading comments in another video.
As I read more about politics (I'm Jamaican) I lean much more right because of the many and the hyprosity they give and their behaviour. Subbed to your channel by the way.
As an alt-right hater, this was a bit of an eye opener for me I must admit.
Much respect.
as an alt-right, what do you mean I'm not really sure what the real point was. Like I myself am a minority in montana of all places where you mostly see white people and white nationalist alike but not all right leaning people are like that. I see a caring people that will fight and have fought for their country. Not everyone is like that its just like seeing a communist and thinking that everyone on the left is like that.(and sub argument left refers to the rising ideals and the right refer to the established Ideals)
@Kerosin Fuchs Depends on what you label as far left to call it much worse. If you're calling a guy who wants medicare for all worse than the guy who wants an ethno state, you're just wrong. I've seen right wingers label Biden far left, no way would he be worse than a far right pushing for their race purity.
@Kerosin Fuchs right wing in 30s in Germany meant absolutarians. Could be either trough the state or with a monarchy. But the NSDAP were absolutely far right, 100%.
And although the definition of the political spectrum varies, the American alt-right is definitely right wing with the current common definition.
Kerosin Fuchs hey, historian here. You’re either really dumb or full of shite and you know it. If you look at any of their policy it’s clear they’re right wing and Hitler assured many centrist conversions to his party that the socialist bit in their name was just for aesthetics in several different ways. I mean the Nazi economic model relied on heavy privatisation of so many industries. That’s literally counter to all left wing ideology.
TheBrownK1d left and right is more so economic systems and ideals. You’ll be surprised how old socialism is as an ideal.
Schools: "Nazis are bad"
Kids: "Well duh!"
Also kids: "Well..."
Haha so true!
"Let me play the Devil's Advocate..."
The era of edginess begins.
Me, hearing multiple kids yelling "Hitler did nothing wrong!!" on the bus in high school: Please stop please stop please stop please stop please stop-
Seriously this happened more than once it was horrible. I get that it was a meme but that doesn't make it any better.
@@taylorbritt499 It's just a phase lol. Everyone has been there
The farthest I ever got was Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson saying trans people are weird. Anything past that was too blatant and upsetting.
the farthest I got was crowder and Kaitlyn bennet and wanted to become like them when I went to college
I got to Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro and still sort of agree with Peterson on some stuff today.
@@xternalz Peterson is good on his psychology stuff, just not good with politics
Ian Onrust that’s actually facts
I found James Allsup and Black Pigeon Speak. That's when I realize something is not right with the direction I'm going
Four and a half years later, and all of this is still completely relevant to current events. Thank you for sharing your story. I hope others who have encountered similar things can hear your story and see a path out of any alt right involvement.
When I was young, I started descending down roughly the same line of more and more right-wing content. Luckily, when I got to PragerU, even as a dumb kid, I found their claims suspicious. So I looked on their channel for a video about climate change, and sure enough, "Climate change might not be real." I started back up the hole from that.
when I hit PragerU I realized I was not in a good place 😂😂
Bruh, same
This was my arch exactly 😂
This!
Fuck i subbed pragerU Last year but i got this Video recommended too ^^ i try to watch every side
“The oldest Anarchy server in Minecraft”
*Flashbacks intensify*
FitMC
In one video you could see the chat and they were talking about naming something after a swastika or something
For the first time in Minecraft history, slave labor-
@@Smile4theKillCam456 wait WHAT
Take out the gaming and this is almost exactly my story, particularly the chain on creators. Except I was a 13/14 year old brown Muslim girl in the U.K. watching RUclipsrs like Sargon of Akkad for hours after school, which made it all pretty complicated in terms of identity and mental gymnastics to say the least.
Yeah, Sargon appeared to be a pretty well rounded leftist when he started and when I started watching, then went down the EDL rabbit hole to appease his newer neo reactionary audience.
That's internalized sexism and racism, babey. Just like the whole "not like other girls" thing
I'm a half-Pakistani gay guy and I fell down a similar rabbit hole. I spent about 2ish years identifying as a 'Centrist Anti-SJW'. I'm now a socialist and it's super cringey to look back on... 😰
Honestly same. Except I'm a black gay chick living in the US. Somehow that anti-sjw shit got to me, too.
What even are you on.
This pulled me out the rabbit hole a year or two back and I still think about it frequently. Thank you.
I have a friend I'm sending this to. He's falling for all this really hard, and I'm worried.
I'm curious, keep us posted broskie
I hope he comes out. I was entering the pipeline and I just found this video. I’m out now.
I really hope it works in keeping him out
Id higly reccomend the alt right playbook for both you and him to watch. It does a great job of breaking down recruitment and debate tactics of the group. I'd start with "how to daicalize a normie"
My advice: Be there for him. I fell down the pipeline too, and what pulled me out where my friends.
I fell down the pipeline too... it’s funny how they slowly ease you into it with “jokes” and “if you’re triggered it’s your fault” when in reality they are just saying hateful things. I was very privileged but I wanted to have something to be angry at. Being surrounded by liberals who, from my perspective at the time, did not understand me, I chose to be mad at their political views instead of them personally. I never thought of myself as racist or sexist but as I slowly moved more into “triggering the libs” I realized I was saying things that I did not agree with and things I did not believe purely in order to make people mad. It got to the point where you couldn’t tell the difference between me and the average alt right incel.
Well now you can hate on the establishment and fight for progressive change!
One of the ironically very unfunny things about people like that, who make "edgy jokes" about other people, is that they're usually inherently very sensitive. The split second the comedy is turned around on them, they get super upset.
honestly it really seems like the people in /pol/ blame everything on people who aren't white. like the opposite of blm
Happy to hear it, man. Use your edge for good on this side!
N O H - 1 yeah it’s actually way more fun to trigger conservatives because I know for a fact they’re wrong and they’re usually fighting for something hateful and regressive.
The fact that you made the name "PigPuncher" long before becoming a leftist is... Well it's not how I thought you chose that name
Why would "pigpuncher" be associated with being leftist? If anything, that would be associated with just being violent and hateful. If it's like, "punching nazi pigs" or something, that's counterproductive for leftists; it reinforces the target's beliefs and encourages them to simply hide their beliefs instead of changing.
Project Overturn aka RareBeeph “pig” is used to refer to cops
@@marin8169 Is hating cops a strictly leftist thing even? That's anti-authoritarian, and I was under the impression that that could be left or right.
Either way, that's still not a very productive act to say the least, one a group should probably want to not be associated with.
@@rarebeeph1783 It's not "strictly" leftist but it is strongly associated with anarchist ideals
@@rarebeeph1783 have you ever read animal farm?
Man the comments from your mom really hit home for me. While I never went down an alt right pipeline and still do consider myself progressive in most facets of politics, I also have first hand experience of questioning morals as a result of being dehumanized by the parent who preached them. Because yes, that's what your mom did when you were a teen and she called essentially called you a bad person for showing curiosity about the world. This is always a tricky issue to navigate for parents, but the WORST thing a parent can do is essentially judge their child and make them feel like there is something inherently wrong with them. Liberal parent, conservative parent, doesn't matter - if you shame your child for being curious, they are going to rebel. If she had instead sat you down for a discussion to ask you what made you feel curious about these things, I'm gonna say there is a good chance you would have never gotten as extreme as you would have.
This is what the world needs now, clear (diamond level clear) honesty of a stance and a journey. We are not perfect and we all grow. To stop it we need to learn how people get to these beliefs. So videos like this are super valuable if you want to be part of the soloution. Well done. Subbed.
Nah, people like Shoe0nHead and Chris Ray Gun are super valuable when you actually listen to every single thing they say in their videos, as I have. They are both Anti-SJWs and-surprise, surprise-liberal. VERY liberal. Hell, they’re not the only ones who hold this stance.
So if you think that being an Anti-SJW automatically means being Alt-Right, think again.
what if you went to heaven
but god said
"you identified as a gamer in 2014"
x999uuu1 but god said
“I identify as an attack helicopter xddd😂🤪”
Please god forgive me
If you were a Catholic, all you need to do is confess and genuinely say sorry.
(I'm a cafeteria Catholic lol)
@@lalakuma9 forgive me father, for i have sinned. my last confession was 30 years ago, and these are my son's: *I identified as a gamer from 2012-2014*
2016 really did radicalise us all as teens didn't it. I was a gamer nlog, so of course it happened
@muchas nubes It happened to me a bit earlier cos I was very engrossed in internet culture so between the ages of 14 -16 I gradually got a bit radicalised and then kinda got out of it around 18 after exiting a relationship with someone objectively racist and misogynistic
I remember back when from my echo chamber at least, when Bernie and Hillary were fighting for the nomination, everyone loved Bernie and hates Hillary, after Hillary won the nominated, everyone was saying on how we're screwed either way. After a few months, everyone loves Trump for some reason and Trump supporter wasn't a dirty word at that time.
I'd say Hunter Avallone (and friends) contribute to my echo chamber the most, followed by the people who were vouching for iDubbbz, and then my hatred for BuzzFeed, I hated BuzzFeed before it was even a trend.
After Trump won the election, there were compilations of SJWs crying about the results. Dark times looking back at it now. I felt iffy after I noticed some characteristics of bigotry, whether I agree or disagree with the things that they don't, it made me uncomfortable on how they handled it.
Most of the original people who fell down the pipeline are pretty progressive now. Unfortunately, a lot more kids are being radicalized now, accelerated by the loneliness of the pandemic
@@davidnissim589 I've been cleansing my alt right views for the past few months. Really has made me fell like crap, because I'm 100% sure I've seriously emotionally destroyed many kids who were just being themselves. I'm disappointed in myself, very.
when I was around 18, my mom's friend's young son would come into our store and talk to me. he went down the pipeline FAST, like from "yeah I like video games" to "my 30 year old friend on discord sends me pictures of dead bodies" and eventually he dropped an n bomb in front of me. I mentioned it to my mom, who mentioned it to his mom, who completely cut my mom out of her life. they had been friends for like 15 years and it all stopped because she thought we were judging her or something. this was around 2017 and I just assume that kid is a total fucking nightmare now.
I have noticed that white people who use that word and have so much hatred of Black people don't know and never have any contact with Black people 🤔
@@RashedeGazziThat’s because they’re aware of how dangerous it is.
For like a month I was obsessed with Jordan Peterson and watched almost all of his debates and I’m a black muslim woman. These people are deranged and it can happen to literally anyone not just white poor gamer boys. I’m still so grossed out but i look back and laugh. Only reason I didn’t go any further is because again I’m a black muslim woman and it doesn’t feel good to be constantly told I’m the cause of all problems.
😂😂 I felt the same way as a black person I was told that my people was inherently bad for some reason but I found the leftist before I could go far in
@@KDH-br6hy it got boring real quick and honestly the left are also dishonest and terrible
I’m not conservative but come on Jordan Peterson ain’t radical
@@mvx2066 they aren’t radical they are flat out intellectually dishonest. His views on psychology aren’t bad and they are the main reason I bothered with me but he has no business in discussing economy, politics, history or religion.
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That's a fair point. I'm a big Peterson fan, but him dabbling in history, economics, and global climate change bothered me a bit.
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@@dutchmongol2010 pardon?
"It is historically inaccurate for a black man to be in a ww1 game"
Harlem 1st division and Tirailleurs sénégalais divisions: are we a joke to you?
PS: this is directed at anyone who still believes that.
BFV was maybe the stupidest hill to die on. The appeal to historical accuracy was especially redundant, considering the fact that if that's what you're looking for in a fucking Battlefield game, you're looking in the wrong places (people who're actually passionate about it more often play games like Post Scriptum or Hell Let Loose). I kinda hoped that one day, one of those guys would just drop the facade and admit he doesn't want women/POC in the games he plays because games are only supposed to cater to (white) boys. That would've been a cathartic moment; all this time he was just full of shit, not defending a 'reasonable position', let's continue with our lives.
@@thomaskole9881 I was one of them, but i was genuine in this sentiment. I would have wanted a ww2 game on the eastern front with women soldiers because i knew that that side actually used women in the army. I also heavily revered the inclusion of the colonial battalions too often disregarded in war games. But yeah, it was pretty stupid to be a die hard opponent to women inclusion in BFV. I still bought the game in the end.
@@elendil6144 the Soviet army and every partisan movement during ww2 had females in their division who fought against the nazis. The female yugoslav partisans had like over 40000 soldiers who killed dnazis and also a fun fact a Afro albanian from my hometown was a partisan too. His name was Rizo Šurla if you want to look up
Vassily Vodka But the game doesn't feature soviets or yugoslavs. The war game industry is heavily focused on the western part of the war which is pretty stupid since its the most fucking boring part of it.
Also, thanks for the story. Always nice to see some historical exceptions.
@@elendil6144 it's really a shame. Especially if they want to show women at the warzone atleast they could use the eastern front. But then again people would complain about Eastern nations
I have a very similar story. Long story short: 4Chan "memelord" turned Transgirl punk guitarist. Best thing is I started out as a anticapitalist, angry teen. So remember not everyone is a lost cause. Maybe meeting people with kindness at first is a good idea. Things are complicated when it comes to humans. Just be nice, be careful and try to bge the best person you can.
A lot of you leftists are anything but kind, not just to right-wingers but other leftists even. Being "nice" has nothing to do with anything.
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@@WILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLU Lol didn't see the whole video before posting my comment I love FitMC
I’ve never related to a political ideology timeline this hard. I was at the time a closeted trans guy who was tying to force the dysphoria out of me. I started watching RUclipsrs like Blaire white and ShoeOnHead and I heard a lot of talk about how crazy some transgender and non binary people are. This slowly morphed into me watching videos on how trans people are predators and shit like that. I’ve always had a very liberal family and my dad is very informed on the alt right and politics in general. Once the whole anti-feminist bandwagon on RUclips subsided I feel like my views got a little bit more moderate. My dad and RUclipsrs such as ContraPoints are who really helped me to get out of this anti-trans rabbit hole and to accept myself as who I am. Since I’ve physically transitioned and have become more comfortable in myself I have become more accepting of non binary trans people as well. I’m glad to say I’m no longer in such a depressing political position to which I couldn’t even be who I fully am.
shoe at least has done a 180 and is actually very cool now.
I'm not sure I fully understand, are you saying that Shoe0nHead and Blaire White are 'anti-trans' / 'anti-non-binary' ??? Or are you just saying that watching them lead you to watching content that was like that? Because Shoe has never said anything against trans people and has said that she's fine with people being enby, and Blaire IS trans but I'm not 100% sure what her stance on being enby is. Sorry if I'm completely missing what you're point bringing them up was but I just am kinda confused, I do really enjoy both their content and have never seen them express views that're anti-trans or anti-enby? :(
@@MOTHHMAN To answer your question, I'm not sure about Shoe but Blaire was, until very recently, vehemently anti-Nonbinary calling all Nonbinary people "confused kids" or "Transtrenders" and is a known Transmedicalist, aka "you're only valid as a Trans person if you have dysphoria and want to medically transition"
She at least seems to be starting to come around to being all-accepting of all trans people of all kinds, but should still be regarded with a level of suspicion.
I think a large problem as Contrapoints has pointed out, older trans people could only gain legitimacy with hyper-medical terminology and proof to validate their identities, they existed in a binary world and thus Trans meant simply that you were born one and identify and medically transition over to the other. Young trans kids today don't care so much about "passing" and lean more towards Nonbinary/Agender/genderless and gender-abolitionist ideas, and I think older trans people are still learning about that and letting go of past oppression and need for biological, medical validation for their identity. Buck Angel for example is a figure for older trans folks but has been accused of being transmedicalist in the past. I believe older trans people mean well, they just come from a different time, and as times change older people tend to be more abrasive to those changes. Just give them time, the ones who care the most will come around with caring and understanding.
However, we must also be careful not to be too accepting and too understanding when some people are truly bigoted rather than simply ignorant to the nuance of gender identity as it is understood today. Some people change their minds when things are explained to them and some don't, and it's our job as viewers to spot the difference, to ensure we are not enabling and supporting purposely bigoted individuals who refuse to adapt and change as new information comes out.
Feebz shoe mainly lead me down an anti trans rabbit hole. And I’m glad she’s made a 180 in her view points. And yes Blaire is trans, but she’d still rule out trans people she doesn’t see as valid which lead me down an even darker anti trans rabbit hole which lead me to watching people like PragerU and No Bullshit who are in fact openly transphobic.
How would Shoe make you Alt right she's a real Liberal
16-17 was a "centrist" and realized i was basically waving off a ton of REAL issues by saying "but both sides"
Ah, yes, the South Park Method.
@@robfl100 There is nothing wrong with going after both sides. There is a lot wrong with going after both sides equally. I'll criticize Bernie for example when I disagree with him. But there are plenty of reasons why most of my time is spent paying attention to what damage Trump caused this time. The biggest problems need to be criticized the most.
Robert Leslie both sides are not equally wrong and don’t do equal amounts of damage.
The left is at least TRYING to improve the world and the lives of many people. The right just... wants to keep things the way they are. If possible, make it worse for who already has it bad, cause that usually means improving the lives of a few people already in a great position. So idk.
@@devilskind92 "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C S Lewis says it better than I ever could.
@@max0304 Beautiful words, except that's not the only two options, and the left is not only about "approval of conscience".
To think so is to be extremely cynical, come on now.
Seeing this makes me feel better as a person that I no longer feel or think that bullshit anymore and that i wasn't the only one fooled. I had the same political belief shift as you described. I fell into it despite being black, mainly because of the riots in my homecity of Baltimore. I felt that it was all embarrassing, that it made black people like me as a whole look foolish. Dont get me wrong, I still wish that it didnt happen, but I dont default to the 13% statistic, lick boots, and feel ashamed of my self based on something I cannot change. Never again will I stand for the side that hates me because of something i cannot change may that be my race or my sexuality, one that would rather see my friends, family, or anybody they hold prejudice against dead in a hole and stripped of their humanity.
I want to apologize sometimes to people who were affected by the ALT right bullshit, people who lost lives because of hate, those still dealing with the vileness of hateful people, hell even my friends who never knew i was like that to begin with. I was a part of the problem, no matter my contribution had they been big or small. I hope I am a better person now after all of it. I simply wanted a better future for everyone at my core, but I slowly ended up rooting for the evils which seek to worsen it for everyone but themselves, and I am sorry.
Even as a black guy, I remember falling into the anti-sjw edgy right wing trap as a kid through the gaming community and listening to Opie & Anthony shows on RUclips. Destiny also played a good part in changing how I arrive at conclusions. Seeing beliefs you previously held get utterly destroyed in front of your eyes kinda forces you to change your perspective on things lol
Same. I was basically alt right while black and a woman. For me it was education and life experience
Destiny is a moron.
@@terrygrant9140 someones mad
@@amiraabdelkader2751 No, just a statement of fact.
@@terrygrant9140 I love how easy it is sometimes to tell the kind of person just by their icon. Makes sorting through youtube comments much easier
It’s so funny I’m black and I never fell down the alt right rabbit whole but I had a similar experience with racist pan African beliefs
Get back to it.
I'm mixed and I started to slip down a bit luckily it was a quick phase
oof same. i cringe looking back at my 2014 tumblr days.
If you don't mind me asking. How is it similar if at all. Is there any significant differences?
Ah yes...the ankh-right. I've spent some time there and it's hella surreal.
I fell in and got out of that rabbit hole before the term alt right existed.
same
I got out a month or two after Trump got elected. I realized all the talk about logic and integrity was bunk. Sargon had spent months calling the mainstream news untrustworthy, only to then pivot and say that he didn't have the time to police Trump (that was the media's job, not his). The people he'd undermined were the people he trusted to watch the president.
I got out last year but I was already getting more progressive 2 years ago
@@robin8137, @Cokckadoodle, @Justin Okraski, @Hannah Cat
Good job. That sounds hard as shit to do.
(Does this sound like sarcasm? Cause it's not supposed to be.)
You and Vaush have been pulling me out of the rabbit hole lately. Thank you. It’s incredibly relatable hearing how you got there.
Commie cope
@@youtubegoogleb Wym?
@Ethnic Nationalist I don't believe I used the term Alt-right at all? Also I know what it means lmao
@Aroko 76 How so? I don't always agree with him but I find him to be pretty straight forward usually.
@Aroko 76 This is a 3 hr video. Is there something in specific I should be looking out for?