I am surprised how clear the differences are. The statements are so much more natural but I understand why some people are preferring the silver diamond they have a more etched quality that offer a sense (though inaccurate) of greater detail. Really good video as usual and thank you for the obvious effort you put into this.
Thanks a lot for this demo, much appreciated - happy to see my own PIEGA speakers and the Statement cables actually proving to be a terrific match. I'll be joining the Statement owners' club soon. Currently using AQ WEL Signature balanced and AQ Thunderbird Zero + Thunderbird Bass with my Piega Coax 511 speakers.
I had black xlr 1m...I just got me ultra black mk2 xlr 2.5m...this is ridiculous..how is this possible? 400usd dac sounds like 2000usd and better...crazy stuff
Totaly agree with you ,my system is more modest but difference is clearly audible with te statement you hear music in stead of high end hifi and that is the best you can get isn't it not. My system is a vintage Denon pma S 1 whith i really love, an marantz cd 10, smsl 500 dac and my own version of the boenicke w5se main difference with the original is that i gave the tangband a little bit more space 1cm higher, 2 cm deeper and i used top notch filter components even a duelund cap. for the fountec ,filter is situated in a separate box, in addition two 12 inch subwoofers in a ripole housing. In all aspects a very satisfying system.
I used Kondo (Japan) silver cables for my whole system (Gryphon Diablo 300 amp, Scorpio cd player, Naim NDX 2 streamer, Marten Parker Duo) for a while. They are the holy grail. But finally I sold them. As much as I tried, I could not hear much difference to the Kondo copper cables, which have a very similar, also beautiful sound, but cost much less. This is particularly true for the extremely expensive silver speaker cables made by Kondo. I didn‘t find them to be any better than other copper cable I experimented with (Cardas, Inakustik, Nordost, Stockfisch). For the time being I am very happy with cables made by the small German company Stockfisch. Extremely well sounding and moderately priced. General remark: There is too much attention to cables these days.
I was speaking to guys recently who own Kondo gear and they were using Kondo cables and thought they wwre amazing in their systems, so its maybe its just a different experience, with different gear. The Marten and the Diablo 300 is a nice pairing
I would of liked a comparison between balanced and unbalanced.. Im just about to venture into the balanced scene. Im hoping there's a big benifit in balanced..
Mate, given that sound via youtube compression with your (high quality) recording is equally bad for both cables, I am more than amazed that I was actually able to hear the difference!!!! Not that I would ever invest that much £££ in any cable but never the less -A FANTASTIC VIDEO!!! Thank you.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem No, what I mean by "bad" is a youtube sound compression. Your recording is immaculate! But just a fact that there are so many components in the output chain including my Schiit Bifrost, tube preamp, Beyerdynamic DT 1990 Pro headphones and yet be able to hear a difference from a cable swap means nothing short of a miracle imho! Great work!!!
@@temp7774 cheers man interesting your using 1990 pro i use 1770 to make the videos so its as close your gonna get to whats possible. I was just curious as I want to know if there is any more I can do always, cheers man
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Very nice well-made video, Terry. Great A-B demo. Clearly audible difference on my PC + budget Sennheisers. I'm not sure which cable I like more but at that price it's irrelevant for me. All the best, Rob
Statement is the clear winner for me thru my system but I dont think its worth double the price at all. Think I may have to get some Siver Diamonds . Great video and loved the demo. Need to get those songs too.
If you looked at it with this context, silver diamond is one of the best cables around its price point. So to make a cable that surpasses it by enough for me to be able to record the sound diffrence and you hear it back over a RUclips video think by how much better Statement needs to be for that to happen. Its worth double the price dude its twice as good in cable terms massive improvement glad you heard it though man and thanks for commenting :)
I was using Silver Diamonds interconnects and speaker cables for almost 2 years. Around 1 month ago i switched to Statement interconnects and speaker cables. I totally agree with Pursuit Perfect System, Statements are twice as good as Silver Diamonds, they are worth double the price!
Both were excellent, Terry. The Silver Diamond to my ears via my DAC/Studio Monitors had a slightly more 3D affect on the soundstage (which I was impressed I could hear) There was more a feeling of space around the singer and overall, more balanced. The Tellurium Q Statement had a little more weight in the lower register but at the expense of depth. It was very close and careful A/B several times. Of course my studio system has its own character and streaming this way will add colouration. I could hear the room acoustics so you didn't use any close mic techniques, but oddly I didn't feel it mattered here as the capture was good.
I have minimal to no room acoustics effect in my room buddy, its so minimal your not hearing it on the recording. There are a lot of things you are hearing but not my room :) Yes your right I dont close mic that is not true I have the mics at ear height at the MLP this is the sound you would hear in my room of you was sitting and listening the same as me
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Retired now, Terry but I was a studio engineer for 30yrs ... If your room was dead acoustically it would be much like an anechoic sound chamber and your room would sound horrible at best. Room acoustics are fine if your room is treated - which yours obviously is. in the past if I had to record speakers, they would be close mic'd to avoid the room. Also different mic's for different drivers, though I never recorded live stage events thankfully. Sometimes recording the natural acoustics is very much part of the recording. My ears have been trained to listen so I often hear things many don't. I owned an online OMD for many years and was judge on FNL live sessions. I was chosen because I know how to listen ... I wasn't criticising either Terry ... You're not using 20k worth of mic's and another 20k worth of portable recording equipment, yet what you're achieving is impressive. 👍
@@ProjectOverseer cheers Chris I am using reasonable gear but not £20k worth your right. Its at the limit of my affordability. The rooms reverb is very low, I assume there is no reverb at all in an anechoic chamber and you def hear my rooms dimensions cant do much about that but the reverb is very low to not be adding much, hopefully nothing is the goal. Sorry what is an OMD please?? Thanks
@@PursuitPerfectSystem It stands for "online music distribution" ... I had to close it in 2012 due to huge expense. It started in 2002 helped by some well know friends in the industry. It was known as 'POP' for short (Project Overseer Productions) ... We had a good few well know Artists supporting incredibly talented new artists which was the main objective at the time. We won best OMD awards via Atom Records, Dorec Records, Statue Records of LA and more. I'm toying with the idea of creating an audiophile label with my good friend Terry Oldfield (Mike Oldfield's brother) ... He has a passion for natural acoustics 👍
@@ProjectOverseer wow that's an interesting background and career seeing it from all sides, what are you doing watching videos by an idiot like me ?? :) I assume you have a passion for sound quality- do you use normal domestic hifi speakers at home or more studio style speakers and is there really any real difference apart from maybe the finish
Oh wow! It may well be a component level change Terry.... But its also at component level cost and unlikely to hold its value anywhere near as well. Thanks as always for your efforts.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I thing it would be interesting test to compare 3218273682$ xlr vs pro audio cables for 4euro/m. Thats i mentioned Vovox, these are the most expensive PA cable I know : 20-30EU per meter.
@@kopczas I think its important to bear in mind the comparison here is not good vs bad its excellent vs exceptional. Pro audio cables I researched hard to get the best microphones cables I could to use for my sound recordings and the best I could get was not expensive by compare to hifi cables but the construction of it is very basic star quad screened which is not expensive from hifi companies either
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I just wonder how big is the difference. Forget the price, construction, I`m sure that most low to mid priced hifi cables are typical 2 to 4 wire plus screen but just in nice dressing,. Mogami 2534 is quad wire with screen and it`s great, vovox sonorus is 3 wire tied in braids with no screen which is as great cable ut in different way. I have no way to campare these to 4000 pounds cables :D
I have already made one for a USB cable difference, I didn't have the same recording equipment back then like I do now. I might do another one or do a comparison video maybe I dont know :)
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I follow Hifi Lounge as well (sorry, shop near me), and he was talking about a Computer Audio Design USB 2 (£1250) that massively changed his system. I'd love to see that or similar review. Thanks
Its for everybody to have their preferences and don't let me tell you otherwise but its the opposite what you are preferring is a sound with more coloration and artifact being added to it. Takes a little bit of getting your head around I learned this lesson hard a few years ago :)
@@PursuitPerfectSystem its ok Terry im not going to let you tell me otherwise.. My mum used to do that and i never took any notice of her either. LOL....
@@PursuitPerfectSystem cables are like music tastes to me everyone differs in what they like. Personally and ruling out the statement because of cost i prefer the black series over the silver. Ive mixed my loop via the black ultas and diamond. Works for me..
I could do it but I wouldnt know for sure if the difference is the cable or the way the DAC or the amp is designed, is a tougher one that one to know what's doing what - normally all Telluriurm Q cables in a range are designed to sound the same so it should be pretty close between them but I havent tested to know for sure
Clearly I need to listen to the whole video before making a comment! I am happy we are in complete agreement though. I worry that theses cables are significantly over priced and are being voiced by the companies to create these differences.
One was made and sold 2+ years before the other one as the best they offered, going for the best available full stop. I dont think they engineered in a lesser quality of sound, I think it was the best they knew how to make at the time but have since researched and found a better way. That is where some of the cost comes from the work it takes to achieve it same as everything :)
I take your point and I know I am properly being over cynical but you must admit the pricing of cables is somewhat ridiculous. However have done several comparison tests at shows and no doubt that you can hear a difference. Though I would note that when I listened to a demonstration by chord I thought their very top spec cable was not better only different balance.
@@zenbaby3396 value is a hard one because a company makes a great dac and charges 20 grand for it its seen as ok, a speaker company makes a great speaker and charges 40 grand for it still ok? a cable company makes a great cable and its too expensive so to me things should all be be judged for value the same. If you like the sound enough to spend the money on it then it doesn't matter what it is that gives you the sound, its the sound you want. I have Lways felt like this though and always wished I had more money than I do
I am with you on the money! I have also moved off you the old 10% rule but somehow do feel the high high end pricing has gone crazy on all areas of Hi-Fi not only cables.
@@zenbaby3396 yes possibly there is a lot that is a LOT of money and we all want to own that stuff really so that is where it gets hard. I see it as a lot of audiophiles who might have a normal system for a lot of their life at some point might get some inheritance or a lump of money to really buy the system of their dreams. If they use that system a lot and love it then its probably better value than a nice car that sits outside getting dirty.
Terry great video again. Can I ask, is your amp a balanced or unbalanced design?. My understanding is if the amp is an unbalanced design (my amp) then there is no point in using balanced cables, because there needs to be a conversion process at the amp if balanced cables are used.
For the amps I am using in this video the Canor Audio AI1.20 when you use them in mono mode you have to feed them with a balanced connection. I dont know if they are balanced design but to use them like this there is not the option for single ended RCA - thanks man btw
Hi Terry, I’m a BIG FAN!! I’ve got a full Chord Signature loom on my Cambridge Edge system. VS standard Sig twin Phonos makes a big difference. Both 1m in length due to rack size and 2x power amps. 👍🏻👍🏻
More relaxed yes, even more Detail no. Cent hear that. Hard to say which one i would prefer. Depends on the Rest of the System. Would have been interesting to hear the Diamond black, too. Maybe These are just as relaxed and don’t Lack Lots of Detail.
In this instance it would have needed to have been added 2 and a half years earlier with the foresight that in the future this video would be made.... maybe the cable was made by doc emmet brown and marty mcfly but I dont think so
To my ears this is a suspicious contrast. Forgive my ignorance, but how can these cables sound so audibly different? They should both be so transparent, we shouldn't hear any coloration, especially through RUclips compression. And yet there's a distinct difference here, even through my cheap bookshelf speakers. So I'm extremely skeptical if the difference we're hearing is real. There might be a technically measurable change with precision instruments, but nothing that anyone's ears should be able to perceive. A speaker bias, amp, or DAC affects tone far more than a cable (aside from extreme interference.) Correct me if I'm wrong, but durability and interference rejection are the biggest factors in good cables, not a noticeable variance in tonality. Again, decent cables shouldn't color the sound like we're hearing in this demo. I'm sure the build quality is nice... but for thousands of dollars?! My mind has only come to one conclusion: $ N A K E O I L.
Well you heard a difference you told me that and that is between 2 cables as they are the only difference in the system for the recordings. If you check my channel I do recordings for everything so this is not a one off. I use recording equipment better than most peoples hifi systems in a room with outstanding acoustics. The ideal is as you say for the cable to be transparent and one that doesn't colour the sound - the reality is as you heard in the video its not as simple as that and not a simple thing to make a totally transparent cable. Snakeoil would imply there is no difference when one is claimed - i think you will find I claimed nothing and its you who told me you heard a diffeence - that is the OPPOSITE of snake oil man
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Thanks for your thoughts on this. I should clarify the snakeoil comment is about the cable pricing and relative coloration I perceived, nothing wrong with your video. You had a reasonable demo and I agree with your analysis from what I could hear on my end. Edit: You also noted a distinct difference too. Your detail-rich setup could be defining the differences with more contrast than the average system. But between two cables that expensive, my gut says they should be beyond distinction by ear. That could be lack of experience on my part, but the tonal contrast sounds like a lack of quality control or lack of transparency.
@@TheSongManipulator I have owned and used the lesser cable of the two for about 2 years and until I tried the better one I would have said its a good as it gets. That is why I hadn't really tried different balanced cables because I though there wouldn't be as much in it as there is. I have found some things in HiFi to really surprise me and sometimes its the quick A/B playback of my recordings that really shows me the differences. I appreciate you not accusing me of any wrong doing, I thought that is what you was implying. I work my ass off for this channel and really try hard to produce the highest quality recordings I can so I get a little defensive about it when I probably shouldn't
@@PursuitPerfectSystem No worries man, the difference just seems unreal to me, and I do tend to be skeptical of the ultra-premium high end stuff. Here's a potential video that others might be interested in. Since your setup reveals the details so well, now I'm very curious how the Statement cables sound against more affordable staple brands like Mogami, Hosa, or even value brands like Amazon Basics has an XLR. If you potentially have the time, I'd be very interested to hear how your system translates.
the big problem with these cables is the cost. over 4 grand for a cable.most people would laugh at you for spending that kind of money on a bit of wire.just beyond a joke.i tried out some audioquest 4 grand speaker cables a few month ago and it didn't sound any different than my £ 30 per meter cable.half of it is a placebo effect,the other half is a ripoff.i just wished they would sell these itmes at normal prices that all of us can afford or are prepared to pay.
If someone said to you for X amount of sound improvement to your HiFi it would cost you this much - you listen like the sound and are happy to pay the money asked for the improved sound. The next day the same improvement is played to you for the same money being asked but now you are told the money is being spent on cables for the system - is it a joke then to still spend the same money for the same improvement? If there is no improvement yes I think its a joke but if there is the improvement there that justifies the cost - does it really matter what the money is being spent on to get the sound improvement - I really don't think it does Dean when you look at it like that.
The airyness your hearing in the recording is a much lower noise floor, better clarity, more harmonics to the music and more spacial cures with better richness of sound too and better bass - glad you heard it man thanks for commenting :)
if the information( music ) travels down the cheaper cable first ,it must be stripping away some info before it gets to the new cable.the new cable cant add the info back. therefore its just a placebo effect. got to be?
Most people who speak about 'blind tests' perhaps don't realise what a proper 'blind test' would look like. It would have to be designed by scientific institute, it would have to ivolve proper sample group, control group, properly designed listening sessions, listening rooms, all the fuzz, etc. It would have to be properly aided by psychological assessment of each person involved, designed specifically for this purpose, and so on. It would cost a lot of money and easily take months if not longer. But what would such research show? What people already know, that human perception varies, that some people can hear the difference no matter what and some can't. It would not accomplish anything significant. This is why such 'blind tests' are not really needed in the industry. What the industry needs is greater number of honest manufacturers and honest reviewers who don't turn into salesmen. Also at times a little more combatant attitude in order to stop clever bs technology i.e. MQA, etc.
Not better but potentially a lot more use if you listen to your HiFi for many hours a day - I am thinking more when someone retires and has more time available
Where's the data why don't you print the data? And what about the connectors are they the same or different, is one magnetic or one not and do both of them have the same plating and what is it. What is the gauge of wires what is the material of Wires you don't say any of this. How did you record it did you record the one in the system already first then swap it out? in that action can make a difference even with the same cable Would be nice if you took the plugs off the cables when you do these sudo tests can tell you a lot
If I were selling these 5000 quid cables, I might bury a tiny diode deep in the cheaper one. Than, don't let anyone compare either with a one meter $10 pro microphone cable.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Thanks Terry. I've had a closer listen through my KRK 5" monitors (via miniDSP room correction (self-adjusted though)) and noticed more air with the silver diamonds. I'll always take your word for it, of course!
I can't tell the difference and I knew I wouldn't, I don't have a good ear. I also don't value the finer differences in sound which I think may make a big difference. .
@@PursuitPerfectSystem i was on HD8 DJ headphones. and yes i heard a difference. Price almost got me choking😊 I bought some Mogami's last week for a whole $300 and I still think I am crazy up to now; but seeing £4,400?
Thanks for taking the video seriously and monitoring it properly - the main point of the video is some people say its a short balanced cable it doesn't matter they all sound the same, this video shows that's not true and not overlook this, but it also shows that even when your well into expensive cables and what some might call snake oil, in fact its not they can offer better sound, better enough that you can hear it from a recording played back through RUclips. In the flesh the difference is obviously much greater.
For the ordinary audiophile mortal without Lottery win this one is more than enough Tellurium Q Ultra Black II XLR Balanced 1ntr (and you can buy 5 to 10 pairs same price lol) "heaven on a stick" or Sun is so bright i need shades THATS how good this "budget Cable" lol budget its £580! pair .. Tellurium Q Ultra Black II XLR Balanced all i need
Many of us don't yet use balanced line-level cables in home playback systems. *We probably will in the future,* for good reasons. But for us still dealing with #12 copper speaker wire and manufacturer-supplied RCA cables, SVS [cited below] opinions line up with the the science, not the *Emperor's New Clothes* [Hans Christian Andersen]. SVS is a highly regarded manufacturer of speakers and subwoofers in the USA. Their opinions line up well with the established *first principles* of science. I don't know if you can buy them overseas or not. But their little blog is worth a read before you sell yourself down the vicuna-lined cable rathole. I hope they add balanced, line level cables to their catalog, soon. www.svsound.com/blogs/speaker-setup-and-tuning/81833862-why-high-quality-speaker-and-interconnect-cables-matter?trk_msg=HGD71F53154KB818G1N66180P0&trk_contact=SG8127MILFL1ULLENFG6JMLGR0&trk_module=new&trk_sid=S9NAEJ18BLN5MD81FH6GMURIFS
@UCrqva7JT_35j4zNcgan47bQ No. Your piece is like comparing a $125 apple with a $150 apple without any $2 apple in the test. No reality base. After all the speakers, microphones, room effects, RUclips recoding and compression, my DAC, my headphone amp and headphones, I heard differences, not definitively "better" ones. Cut the righteous indignation. Don't put it on me that your piece lacks reality and repeatability. But -- I do take away information from your speaker comparisons. On that, you can be calibrated.
wow the statements sound far better balanced no pun intended, the silvers sounded harsh and splashy in the treble. legit this is one of the best demos I've heard on youtube.
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Confused by that comment Paul the statement is not the same as any of the others its not redesign its a new product but given the release of the II versions of the black silver and blue just recently if there was a new statement it might well be called statement II haha :)
The price hikes from there budget, intermediate and Diamond is crazy. Call it a diamond and everyone's ears prick up! I only see a difference in gauge and metals used. They are not made from diamonds, or solid silver or gold, but prices are like buying solid precious metals or minerals. Its crazy to think that all these different companies have the holy grail of audio cables in this day and age. I wonder what materials the top 1% of the worlds elite electrical engineer would built a NUTURAL sounding cable out of? Would they have to reinvent the wheel? I think not! Would it cost the prices these audiophile companies charge? The audiophile business need to be regulated and show detailed factual information regarding there claims. There is far too many people getting ripped off!
@@michaelvanda6730 No, my amp have balanced design !!! - Marantz PM 11 S3 X 2 on bi-amp mode + Marantz Sa 11 s3 !!! Even i have 2 switchable balanced modes !
Nothing about this cable comparison that is anything more than an advertisement for the cable brand in general. Nothing scientific, just audiophile mumbo jumbo, aka snake oil. I'm out. Lost all respect for the channel. Sorry.
Did you listen to the demo there is nothing snake oil about that - honest recordings that show an honest difference that is not an advert its an honest thing - its no more of an advert than any other videos I have made none. If the message of this videos doesn't fit your belief that is NOT my fault its YOURS mate totally YOURS. How can you lose respect for a channel that gives you this level of honesty - if you do I dont want you as a viewer anyway as you don't appreciate what it takes for me to be able to produce this type of video with this level of quality . I will lose no sleep over losing you as a sub and viewer with your attitude.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I appreciate your response and I have to say that I've valued much of the content that you have created. You are correct, it doesn't fit my belief. Honestly, I didn't listen to the demo on my highest resolution system. I have JBL M2's being driven by the analog output of Oppo UDP-205 through some very nice balanced cables connected to gobs and gobs of clean power. I traveled to CES show as a member of the industry for many years, and it is the highest resolution, most accurate (measured) system that I've ever heard. I didn't listen to the demo because I can't imagine that it is possible hearing the slightest of difference from a recording made of your system. Until someone can show me double blind comparisons of high quality cables that demonstrate differences, I won't believe them because the science says that inductance, capacitance and resistance are the only things that matter with regards to the transfer of signal. How can these cables make a difference when there is nothing special about the cables on the inside of the equipment? It just defies logic. I probably shouldn't have commented because I realize that the argument about cables making a difference is as old as Hi Fi. You do create some good content and I wish you the best sir.
@@tonygutermuth9347 you didn't listen and commented against honesty and shunned my credibility that makes you a biggot man and is totally unfair to me - you didn't listen because you don't want to hear the difference you know you will hear - I call that stubbornness of ridiculousness. Just because a system measures good in the factory doesn't guarantee it will sound good in your home sound is way more complex than that so putting all your eggs in that basket is a brave move
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I am surprised how clear the differences are. The statements are so much more natural but I understand why some people are preferring the silver diamond they have a more etched quality that offer a sense (though inaccurate) of greater detail. Really good video as usual and thank you for the obvious effort you put into this.
Thanks a lot for this demo, much appreciated - happy to see my own PIEGA speakers and the Statement cables actually proving to be a terrific match. I'll be joining the Statement owners' club soon. Currently using AQ WEL Signature balanced and AQ Thunderbird Zero + Thunderbird Bass with my Piega Coax 511 speakers.
I had black xlr 1m...I just got me ultra black mk2 xlr 2.5m...this is ridiculous..how is this possible? 400usd dac sounds like 2000usd and better...crazy stuff
They CAN make a huge difference. Depends a lot on the gear/cable/application/conditions.
Totaly agree with you ,my system is more modest but difference is clearly audible with te statement you hear music in stead of high end hifi and that is the best you can get isn't it not.
My system is a vintage Denon pma S 1 whith i really love, an marantz cd 10, smsl 500 dac and my own version of the boenicke w5se main difference with the original is that i gave the tangband a little bit more space 1cm higher, 2 cm deeper and i used top notch filter components even a duelund cap. for the fountec ,filter is situated in a separate box, in addition two 12 inch subwoofers in a ripole housing. In all aspects a very satisfying system.
I used Kondo (Japan) silver cables for my whole system (Gryphon Diablo 300 amp, Scorpio cd player, Naim NDX 2 streamer, Marten Parker Duo) for a while. They are the holy grail. But finally I sold them. As much as I tried, I could not hear much difference to the Kondo copper cables, which have a very similar, also beautiful sound, but cost much less. This is particularly true for the extremely expensive silver speaker cables made by Kondo. I didn‘t find them to be any better than other copper cable I experimented with (Cardas, Inakustik, Nordost, Stockfisch). For the time being I am very happy with cables made by the small German company Stockfisch. Extremely well sounding and moderately priced. General remark: There is too much attention to cables these days.
I was speaking to guys recently who own Kondo gear and they were using Kondo cables and thought they wwre amazing in their systems, so its maybe its just a different experience, with different gear. The Marten and the Diablo 300 is a nice pairing
I would of liked a comparison between balanced and unbalanced..
Im just about to venture into the balanced scene. Im hoping there's a big benifit in balanced..
Mate, given that sound via youtube compression with your (high quality) recording is equally bad for both cables, I am more than amazed that I was actually able to hear the difference!!!! Not that I would ever invest that much £££ in any cable but never the less -A FANTASTIC VIDEO!!! Thank you.
Cheers man it shouldnt be that bad though what are you using as a source ??
@@PursuitPerfectSystem No, what I mean by "bad" is a youtube sound compression. Your recording is immaculate! But just a fact that there are so many components in the output chain including my Schiit Bifrost, tube preamp, Beyerdynamic DT 1990 Pro headphones and yet be able to hear a difference from a cable swap means nothing short of a miracle imho! Great work!!!
@@PursuitPerfectSystem btw. yours and Kenrick Sound's (ruclips.net/channel/UC3A0nuJpz3NnPi2luPj41fA) are the best recorded videos out there. Period!!
@@temp7774 cheers man interesting your using 1990 pro i use 1770 to make the videos so its as close your gonna get to whats possible. I was just curious as I want to know if there is any more I can do always, cheers man
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I never believed that I would be able to hear a difference between any cables - let alone via youtube. You changed my world! :)
Came here from your Facebook page. Interesting coverage on the topic.
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Very nice well-made video, Terry. Great A-B demo. Clearly audible difference on my PC + budget Sennheisers. I'm not sure which cable I like more but at that price it's irrelevant for me. All the best, Rob
Next year i will part x my tellurium Q black xlr and AQ colorado for the silver diamond ,thanks Tel
Next year I will get some second hand Q Black 👍😂
What brand are the silver floor standing speakers ? What are their drivers ? How much money for the pair ?
piega.ch/en/products/coax-511 About £12000
Statement is the clear winner for me thru my system but I dont think its worth double the price at all. Think I may have to get some Siver Diamonds . Great video and loved the demo. Need to get those songs too.
If you looked at it with this context, silver diamond is one of the best cables around its price point. So to make a cable that surpasses it by enough for me to be able to record the sound diffrence and you hear it back over a RUclips video think by how much better Statement needs to be for that to happen. Its worth double the price dude its twice as good in cable terms massive improvement glad you heard it though man and thanks for commenting :)
@@PursuitPerfectSystem its a great channel and I get your point.
@@camarykaren cheers man I am guilty of not always explaining full contexts of situations very well
I was using Silver Diamonds interconnects and speaker cables for almost 2 years. Around 1 month ago i switched to Statement interconnects and speaker cables. I totally agree with Pursuit Perfect System, Statements are twice as good as Silver Diamonds, they are worth double the price!
Both were excellent, Terry. The Silver Diamond to my ears via my DAC/Studio Monitors had a slightly more 3D affect on the soundstage (which I was impressed I could hear) There was more a feeling of space around the singer and overall, more balanced. The Tellurium Q Statement had a little more weight in the lower register but at the expense of depth. It was very close and careful A/B several times. Of course my studio system has its own character and streaming this way will add colouration. I could hear the room acoustics so you didn't use any close mic techniques, but oddly I didn't feel it mattered here as the capture was good.
I have minimal to no room acoustics effect in my room buddy, its so minimal your not hearing it on the recording. There are a lot of things you are hearing but not my room :)
Yes your right I dont close mic that is not true I have the mics at ear height at the MLP this is the sound you would hear in my room of you was sitting and listening the same as me
@@PursuitPerfectSystem
Retired now, Terry but I was a studio engineer for 30yrs ... If your room was dead acoustically it would be much like an anechoic sound chamber and your room would sound horrible at best.
Room acoustics are fine if your room is treated - which yours obviously is.
in the past if I had to record speakers, they would be close mic'd to avoid the room. Also different mic's for different drivers, though I never recorded live stage events thankfully.
Sometimes recording the natural acoustics is very much part of the recording.
My ears have been trained to listen so I often hear things many don't.
I owned an online OMD for many years and was judge on FNL live sessions. I was chosen because I know how to listen ... I wasn't criticising either Terry ... You're not using 20k worth of mic's and another 20k worth of portable recording equipment, yet what you're achieving is impressive. 👍
@@ProjectOverseer cheers Chris I am using reasonable gear but not £20k worth your right. Its at the limit of my affordability. The rooms reverb is very low, I assume there is no reverb at all in an anechoic chamber and you def hear my rooms dimensions cant do much about that but the reverb is very low to not be adding much, hopefully nothing is the goal.
Sorry what is an OMD please?? Thanks
@@PursuitPerfectSystem
It stands for "online music distribution" ... I had to close it in 2012 due to huge expense. It started in 2002 helped by some well know friends in the industry. It was known as 'POP' for short (Project Overseer Productions) ... We had a good few well know Artists supporting incredibly talented new artists which was the main objective at the time.
We won best OMD awards via Atom Records, Dorec Records, Statue Records of LA and more.
I'm toying with the idea of creating an audiophile label with my good friend Terry Oldfield (Mike Oldfield's brother) ... He has a passion for natural acoustics 👍
@@ProjectOverseer wow that's an interesting background and career seeing it from all sides, what are you doing watching videos by an idiot like me ?? :) I assume you have a passion for sound quality- do you use normal domestic hifi speakers at home or more studio style speakers and is there really any real difference apart from maybe the finish
I can notice more air, precision and clarity from the Statements? Just a hair less congested.
Less tension more relaxed and organic sounding too man but yes well spotted
Oh wow! It may well be a component level change Terry.... But its also at component level cost and unlikely to hold its value anywhere near as well. Thanks as always for your efforts.
I think a cable range that makes your system sound as good as the statement does holds its value to you in more ways than resale value :)
How would Mogami balanced cables stack up against these???
Or vovox sonorus direct s.
@@kopczas no idea guys sorry
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I thing it would be interesting test to compare 3218273682$ xlr vs pro audio cables for 4euro/m. Thats i mentioned Vovox, these are the most expensive PA cable I know : 20-30EU per meter.
@@kopczas I think its important to bear in mind the comparison here is not good vs bad its excellent vs exceptional.
Pro audio cables I researched hard to get the best microphones cables I could to use for my sound recordings and the best I could get was not expensive by compare to hifi cables but the construction of it is very basic star quad screened which is not expensive from hifi companies either
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I just wonder how big is the difference. Forget the price, construction, I`m sure that most low to mid priced hifi cables are typical 2 to 4 wire plus screen but just in nice dressing,. Mogami 2534 is quad wire with screen and it`s great, vovox sonorus is 3 wire tied in braids with no screen which is as great cable ut in different way. I have no way to campare these to 4000 pounds cables :D
Would like a demo with these cables vs a cheap pair.
Another great video, can you do a review on USB cables and the differences they can bring?
I have already made one for a USB cable difference, I didn't have the same recording equipment back then like I do now. I might do another one or do a comparison video maybe I dont know :)
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I follow Hifi Lounge as well (sorry, shop near me), and he was talking about a Computer Audio Design USB 2 (£1250) that massively changed his system. I'd love to see that or similar review. Thanks
@@riggleswade1080 I know Scott at cad well he is a top bloke and makes very good products
I prefered the Silver Diamond. Vocals were more pure and seamless. And a slightly more holographic sound in which i like..
Its for everybody to have their preferences and don't let me tell you otherwise but its the opposite what you are preferring is a sound with more coloration and artifact being added to it. Takes a little bit of getting your head around I learned this lesson hard a few years ago :)
@@PursuitPerfectSystem its ok Terry im not going to let you tell me otherwise.. My mum used to do that and i never took any notice of her either. LOL....
@@oohtob6685 when she speaks about cables man you should be listening haha
@@PursuitPerfectSystem cables are like music tastes to me everyone differs in what they like. Personally and ruling out the statement because of cost i prefer the black series over the silver. Ive mixed my loop via the black ultas and diamond. Works for me..
@@oohtob6685 I have been lucky to listen to them all pretty much and I can see why someone would go that way :)
Would it be possible to compare the statement rca against the statement balanced both 1m lengths in a future episode
I could do it but I wouldnt know for sure if the difference is the cable or the way the DAC or the amp is designed, is a tougher one that one to know what's doing what - normally all Telluriurm Q cables in a range are designed to sound the same so it should be pretty close between them but I havent tested to know for sure
Clearly I need to listen to the whole video before making a comment! I am happy we are in complete agreement though. I worry that theses cables are significantly over priced and are being voiced by the companies to create these differences.
One was made and sold 2+ years before the other one as the best they offered, going for the best available full stop. I dont think they engineered in a lesser quality of sound, I think it was the best they knew how to make at the time but have since researched and found a better way. That is where some of the cost comes from the work it takes to achieve it same as everything :)
I take your point and I know I am properly being over cynical but you must admit the pricing of cables is somewhat ridiculous. However have done several comparison tests at shows and no doubt that you can hear a difference. Though I would note that when I listened to a demonstration by chord I thought their very top spec cable was not better only different balance.
@@zenbaby3396 value is a hard one because a company makes a great dac and charges 20 grand for it its seen as ok, a speaker company makes a great speaker and charges 40 grand for it still ok? a cable company makes a great cable and its too expensive so to me things should all be be judged for value the same. If you like the sound enough to spend the money on it then it doesn't matter what it is that gives you the sound, its the sound you want. I have Lways felt like this though and always wished I had more money than I do
I am with you on the money! I have also moved off you the old 10% rule but somehow do feel the high high end pricing has gone crazy on all areas of Hi-Fi not only cables.
@@zenbaby3396 yes possibly there is a lot that is a LOT of money and we all want to own that stuff really so that is where it gets hard. I see it as a lot of audiophiles who might have a normal system for a lot of their life at some point might get some inheritance or a lump of money to really buy the system of their dreams. If they use that system a lot and love it then its probably better value than a nice car that sits outside getting dirty.
Terry great video again. Can I ask, is your amp a balanced or unbalanced design?. My understanding is if the amp is an unbalanced design (my amp) then there is no point in using balanced cables, because there needs to be a conversion process at the amp if balanced cables are used.
For the amps I am using in this video the Canor Audio AI1.20 when you use them in mono mode you have to feed them with a balanced connection. I dont know if they are balanced design but to use them like this there is not the option for single ended RCA - thanks man btw
Canor AI 1.20 in monoblocks mode are working fully symetrical. 😉
each channel processes one polarity of the signal
Thanks Igor
Hi Terry,
I’m a BIG FAN!!
I’ve got a full Chord Signature loom on my Cambridge Edge system.
VS standard Sig twin Phonos makes a big difference.
Both 1m in length due to rack size and 2x power amps. 👍🏻👍🏻
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More relaxed yes, even more Detail no. Cent hear that. Hard to say which one i would prefer. Depends on the Rest of the System. Would have been interesting to hear the Diamond black, too. Maybe These are just as relaxed and don’t Lack Lots of Detail.
I could hear a clear difference on the iPhone 👍
For my ears: Silver Dimond...:)
The only difference for me in comparison is, the silver diamonds sound a little grainy up against the statements.
I added a 3.3uF WIMA capacitor to the cable feeding my tweeter and it was like swapping my DAC or pre or amp or something...
In this instance it would have needed to have been added 2 and a half years earlier with the foresight that in the future this video would be made.... maybe the cable was made by doc emmet brown and marty mcfly but I dont think so
To my ears this is a suspicious contrast. Forgive my ignorance, but how can these cables sound so audibly different? They should both be so transparent, we shouldn't hear any coloration, especially through RUclips compression. And yet there's a distinct difference here, even through my cheap bookshelf speakers. So I'm extremely skeptical if the difference we're hearing is real. There might be a technically measurable change with precision instruments, but nothing that anyone's ears should be able to perceive.
A speaker bias, amp, or DAC affects tone far more than a cable (aside from extreme interference.) Correct me if I'm wrong, but durability and interference rejection are the biggest factors in good cables, not a noticeable variance in tonality. Again, decent cables shouldn't color the sound like we're hearing in this demo. I'm sure the build quality is nice... but for thousands of dollars?! My mind has only come to one conclusion: $ N A K E O I L.
Well you heard a difference you told me that and that is between 2 cables as they are the only difference in the system for the recordings. If you check my channel I do recordings for everything so this is not a one off. I use recording equipment better than most peoples hifi systems in a room with outstanding acoustics.
The ideal is as you say for the cable to be transparent and one that doesn't colour the sound - the reality is as you heard in the video its not as simple as that and not a simple thing to make a totally transparent cable.
Snakeoil would imply there is no difference when one is claimed - i think you will find I claimed nothing and its you who told me you heard a diffeence - that is the OPPOSITE of snake oil man
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Thanks for your thoughts on this. I should clarify the snakeoil comment is about the cable pricing and relative coloration I perceived, nothing wrong with your video. You had a reasonable demo and I agree with your analysis from what I could hear on my end. Edit: You also noted a distinct difference too.
Your detail-rich setup could be defining the differences with more contrast than the average system. But between two cables that expensive, my gut says they should be beyond distinction by ear. That could be lack of experience on my part, but the tonal contrast sounds like a lack of quality control or lack of transparency.
@@TheSongManipulator I have owned and used the lesser cable of the two for about 2 years and until I tried the better one I would have said its a good as it gets. That is why I hadn't really tried different balanced cables because I though there wouldn't be as much in it as there is. I have found some things in HiFi to really surprise me and sometimes its the quick A/B playback of my recordings that really shows me the differences.
I appreciate you not accusing me of any wrong doing, I thought that is what you was implying. I work my ass off for this channel and really try hard to produce the highest quality recordings I can so I get a little defensive about it when I probably shouldn't
@@PursuitPerfectSystem No worries man, the difference just seems unreal to me, and I do tend to be skeptical of the ultra-premium high end stuff. Here's a potential video that others might be interested in. Since your setup reveals the details so well, now I'm very curious how the Statement cables sound against more affordable staple brands like Mogami, Hosa, or even value brands like Amazon Basics has an XLR. If you potentially have the time, I'd be very interested to hear how your system translates.
listened in 4k like suggested, running youtube through klipsch audio speakers...cant hear any difference at all, which is what I thought
Smartphone, headphones you will
the big problem with these cables is the cost. over 4 grand for a cable.most people would laugh at you for spending that kind of money on a bit of wire.just beyond a joke.i tried out some audioquest 4 grand speaker cables a few month ago and it didn't sound any different than my £ 30 per meter cable.half of it is a placebo effect,the other half is a ripoff.i just wished they would sell these itmes at normal prices that all of us can afford or are prepared to pay.
If someone said to you for X amount of sound improvement to your HiFi it would cost you this much - you listen like the sound and are happy to pay the money asked for the improved sound.
The next day the same improvement is played to you for the same money being asked but now you are told the money is being spent on cables for the system - is it a joke then to still spend the same money for the same improvement?
If there is no improvement yes I think its a joke but if there is the improvement there that justifies the cost - does it really matter what the money is being spent on to get the sound improvement - I really don't think it does Dean when you look at it like that.
The Statement is slightly airier. The Silver Balance is a bit more forward sounding, a little less airy.
The airyness your hearing in the recording is a much lower noise floor, better clarity, more harmonics to the music and more spacial cures with better richness of sound too and better bass - glad you heard it man thanks for commenting :)
if the information( music ) travels down the cheaper cable first ,it must be stripping away some info before it gets to the new cable.the new cable cant add the info back. therefore its just a placebo effect. got to be?
It can't add whats not there of course but its letting you hear more of what is there
Also all the cables in the system were the same except one and only one the balanced cable that was changed for the A/B
You should have done it "blind", then it would have been quite interesting to see the reactions
It wasn't really the purpose of the video I have sometimes done it blind but it didn't fit the narrative of what I was trying to show
Most people who speak about 'blind tests' perhaps don't realise what a proper 'blind test' would look like. It would have to be designed by scientific institute, it would have to ivolve proper sample group, control group, properly designed listening sessions, listening rooms, all the fuzz, etc. It would have to be properly aided by psychological assessment of each person involved, designed specifically for this purpose, and so on. It would cost a lot of money and easily take months if not longer.
But what would such research show? What people already know, that human perception varies, that some people can hear the difference no matter what and some can't. It would not accomplish anything significant. This is why such 'blind tests' are not really needed in the industry. What the industry needs is greater number of honest manufacturers and honest reviewers who don't turn into salesmen. Also at times a little more combatant attitude in order to stop clever bs technology i.e. MQA, etc.
Certainly at the moment Hi-Fi better than a car you can’t use. I know when I win the lottery I will spend more on my Hi-Fi.
Not better but potentially a lot more use if you listen to your HiFi for many hours a day - I am thinking more when someone retires and has more time available
Where's the data why don't you print the data? And what about the connectors are they the same or different, is one magnetic or one not and do both of them have the same plating and what is it. What is the gauge of wires what is the material of Wires you don't say any of this.
How did you record it did you record the one in the system already first then swap it out? in that action can make a difference even with the same cable
Would be nice if you took the plugs off the cables when you do these sudo tests can tell you a lot
If I were selling these 5000 quid cables, I might bury a tiny diode deep in the cheaper one. Than, don't let anyone compare either with a one meter $10 pro microphone cable.
This is where my equipment is unable to pick up any difference, if there are any. So, I can't make a judgement! :D
There is a big difference in this video you don't need an amazing system to hear it man, headphones into your phone should be enough
@@PursuitPerfectSystem Thanks Terry. I've had a closer listen through my KRK 5" monitors (via miniDSP room correction (self-adjusted though)) and noticed more air with the silver diamonds. I'll always take your word for it, of course!
@@mrpositronia haha
I can't tell the difference and I knew I wouldn't, I don't have a good ear. I also don't value the finer differences in sound which I think may make a big difference. .
I knew i was in the wrong channel as soon as I heard £4,400 for a pair of 1-meter XLR cables!
Did you watch the demo with some good headphones on - the price of the cables are irrelevant the effect is whats important
@@PursuitPerfectSystem i was on HD8 DJ headphones. and yes i heard a difference. Price almost got me choking😊 I bought some Mogami's last week for a whole $300 and I still think I am crazy up to now; but seeing £4,400?
Thanks for taking the video seriously and monitoring it properly - the main point of the video is some people say its a short balanced cable it doesn't matter they all sound the same, this video shows that's not true and not overlook this, but it also shows that even when your well into expensive cables and what some might call snake oil, in fact its not they can offer better sound, better enough that you can hear it from a recording played back through RUclips. In the flesh the difference is obviously much greater.
For the ordinary audiophile mortal without Lottery win this one is more than enough Tellurium Q Ultra Black II XLR Balanced 1ntr (and you can buy 5 to 10 pairs same price lol) "heaven on a stick" or Sun is so bright i need shades THATS how good this "budget Cable" lol budget its £580! pair .. Tellurium Q Ultra Black II XLR Balanced all i need
Many of us don't yet use balanced line-level cables in home playback systems. *We probably will in the future,* for good reasons. But for us still dealing with #12 copper speaker wire and manufacturer-supplied RCA cables, SVS [cited below] opinions line up with the the science, not the *Emperor's New Clothes* [Hans Christian Andersen].
SVS is a highly regarded manufacturer of speakers and subwoofers in the USA. Their opinions line up well with the established *first principles* of science. I don't know if you can buy them overseas or not. But their little blog is worth a read before you sell yourself down the vicuna-lined cable rathole. I hope they add balanced, line level cables to their catalog, soon.
www.svsound.com/blogs/speaker-setup-and-tuning/81833862-why-high-quality-speaker-and-interconnect-cables-matter?trk_msg=HGD71F53154KB818G1N66180P0&trk_contact=SG8127MILFL1ULLENFG6JMLGR0&trk_module=new&trk_sid=S9NAEJ18BLN5MD81FH6GMURIFS
@UCrqva7JT_35j4zNcgan47bQ No. Your piece is like comparing a $125 apple with a $150 apple without any $2 apple in the test. No reality base. After all the speakers, microphones, room effects, RUclips recoding and compression, my DAC, my headphone amp and headphones, I heard differences, not definitively "better" ones.
Cut the righteous indignation. Don't put it on me that your piece lacks reality and repeatability. But -- I do take away information from your speaker comparisons. On that, you can be calibrated.
wow the statements sound far better balanced no pun intended, the silvers sounded harsh and splashy in the treble. legit this is one of the best demos I've heard on youtube.
The forever question: Rolls Royce or Bentley? Which will win the Indianapolis 500?
A: Of course! The one with the higher price. Everyone knows this. Now, trundle right out and buy one so you can race it.
I was waiting for the punchline, that both were stickered up $10 microphone cables from Monoprice.
Of course they had to re release the same cable with "statement" as the title. Begs the question what will they call this same cable next time!
Confused by that comment Paul the statement is not the same as any of the others its not redesign its a new product but given the release of the II versions of the black silver and blue just recently if there was a new statement it might well be called statement II haha :)
The price hikes from there budget, intermediate and Diamond is crazy. Call it a diamond and everyone's ears prick up! I only see a difference in gauge and metals used. They are not made from diamonds, or solid silver or gold, but prices are like buying solid precious metals or minerals. Its crazy to think that all these different companies have the holy grail of audio cables in this day and age. I wonder what materials the top 1% of the worlds elite electrical engineer would built a NUTURAL sounding cable out of? Would they have to reinvent the wheel? I think not! Would it cost the prices these audiophile companies charge? The audiophile business need to be regulated and show detailed factual information regarding there claims. There is far too many people getting ripped off!
If your listen to Heavy Metal, don't think you can heir any difference
Only use Accuphase cables,the best or nothing.
Lol ...
They can make a lot of difference to your bank account balance. 🤣
I prefer RCA instead of XLR !!!
Can you enlighten us?
@@yeohcheeseong Better sound stage and fuller bass !!!
Probably because your amp is a unbalanced design, other conversion needs to happen if you use balanced cable.
@@michaelvanda6730 No, my amp have balanced design !!! - Marantz PM 11 S3 X 2 on bi-amp mode + Marantz Sa 11 s3 !!! Even i have 2 switchable balanced modes !
What long finger nails you have Terry. :)
lol, long nails are creepy. but probably a woman's hands in the video. still creepy tho
@@sudd3660 Hahaha yes a I am nail model at the weekends can you imagine it :)
Nothing about this cable comparison that is anything more than an advertisement for the cable brand in general. Nothing scientific, just audiophile mumbo jumbo, aka snake oil. I'm out. Lost all respect for the channel. Sorry.
Did you listen to the demo there is nothing snake oil about that - honest recordings that show an honest difference that is not an advert its an honest thing - its no more of an advert than any other videos I have made none. If the message of this videos doesn't fit your belief that is NOT my fault its YOURS mate totally YOURS. How can you lose respect for a channel that gives you this level of honesty - if you do I dont want you as a viewer anyway as you don't appreciate what it takes for me to be able to produce this type of video with this level of quality . I will lose no sleep over losing you as a sub and viewer with your attitude.
@@PursuitPerfectSystem I appreciate your response and I have to say that I've valued much of the content that you have created. You are correct, it doesn't fit my belief. Honestly, I didn't listen to the demo on my highest resolution system. I have JBL M2's being driven by the analog output of Oppo UDP-205 through some very nice balanced cables connected to gobs and gobs of clean power. I traveled to CES show as a member of the industry for many years, and it is the highest resolution, most accurate (measured) system that I've ever heard. I didn't listen to the demo because I can't imagine that it is possible hearing the slightest of difference from a recording made of your system. Until someone can show me double blind comparisons of high quality cables that demonstrate differences, I won't believe them because the science says that inductance, capacitance and resistance are the only things that matter with regards to the transfer of signal. How can these cables make a difference when there is nothing special about the cables on the inside of the equipment? It just defies logic. I probably shouldn't have commented because I realize that the argument about cables making a difference is as old as Hi Fi. You do create some good content and I wish you the best sir.
@@tonygutermuth9347 you didn't listen and commented against honesty and shunned my credibility that makes you a biggot man and is totally unfair to me - you didn't listen because you don't want to hear the difference you know you will hear - I call that stubbornness of ridiculousness. Just because a system measures good in the factory doesn't guarantee it will sound good in your home sound is way more complex than that so putting all your eggs in that basket is a brave move