"Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid." -Albert Einstein
@@blueguns15000Smartness is not strictly defined as math, but critical thinking skills and interpreting logic. I’m so tired of this stereotype that if you are good at math then that means that you are the smartest person in the room. I know math and I am still so stupid. “What is wrong with me” - -Student- Drone
@@fractalgeometry2 Math was never meant to be measured as a level of IQ, yet stereotyping standardized it as so. If you’re bad at math, who cares? You’re not going to use it unless you want to be an engineer or architect. My message was in no way meant to say that people who know math are smart, only insinuating that in terms of math knowledge, knowing what integrals are and what they mean was past middle.
Here’s what schools get wrong Smarter ≠ Faster Smarter ≠ Good at math Smarter ≠ Higher numbers Smarter = Actual intelligence and critical thinking skills. There was a girl in my school who always struggled with math, one day she drew something that absolutely blew me away, it was amazingly good for her grade level. The worst part is that people would still call her dumb just because she needed help with division. “We’ve lived decades where if you dream of working in a factory, your performance is considered better than if you wanted to inspire other people.”
same happened to me, at english (lenguage class), i can say im solid in english however my mother is in disbelief because i falied at one part that kept me stugguled sence my native lenguage (Spanish), it was mostly verbal times thing that is in all lenguages, at that point she questions about my english just because of something that happends on most lenguages and worst part she just keeps presure me, thing that for me it just preasures to the point i stress alot.
@@fractalgeometry2 Maybe that girl's problems with maths had more to do with educational fashion than actual difficulty. Educational theorists in the 1960's thought that teaching the ambitious New Maths would make everyone into a maths genius, but it only made children hate it, and since creation of the Department of Education, the policy has been to combat maths' reputation for being hard by giving it one for being extremely slow and tedious, and those big brains have been doubling and tripling down on that policy ever since.
I didn't study in the USA, so it might be different, but I have a story that proves this in a surreal way. I was always considered the lazy, wasted talent, undedicated student who didn't try enough. All my grades were average, I couldn't perform better than this no matter how much I tried, so I stopped trying. Were I studied, we have a national format to test every student and see if we're worthy of truly finishing school. While yes, the usual 3 students who always got the best grades scored above 90%, I myself scored 88% (way higher than the national average, which was around 60 something %). The point is: I didn't study for the exams, I got through everything due to my creativity and capability to adapt to unusual situations. Indeed, one of the tests had a grading for creativity, and I scored max points for said criteria. I learned everything that got me throught school, outside of school... including english, which is neither my first nor second language. I'm glad to know that not every school, and especially not every teacher is as bad as we all know they can be, but it's sad to see kids wasting their youth for the sake of being labelled A from a stranger that will never see them again once they finish school.
Holy sh*t this is so true, as a french dude I am in a high school which goes as far to EXPEL underperforming students just so that they are in the third place in france's best high schools, I almost got myself expelled because I made a bad joke 1 year ago and they still think I'll do what I said and I'm barely able to climb up my grades even tough I am in the top 5 of the best performing students in a class of 9. In other words : SCHOOLS are a bunch of morons .
I remember when I went to elementary school, my teachers would have us participate in skits for some of the subjects so we could learn them better. It definitely helped too. History was always more fun when we got to be silly with it
I'm glad she was a positive role model in how to handle her subjects. I had a teacher that just said, "Read the assigned chapter because you have a test on it coming up." and mostly just watching movies while in class.
A couple of insights: 1) The first idea about Bart studying hard and still failing the test in spite of his efforts doesn't just result in false negatives for students like Bart. It would also result in false _positives_ for students like Lisa. Lisa's challenges from the school system aren't that they fail to intellectually challenge her, but that they aren't even doing the bare minimum for her. Rote memorization and tests that can be beaten via brute force rote memorization only train the short-term memory. That's literally what studying is intended to do: exercise short-term memory before rapidly jettisoning the information. Lisa is being lied to, convinced that she's doing well, when really she's learned even _less_ than Bart. And that's only _partially_ because Lisa has all the intelligence of a 30-year-old comedian with an entire encyclopedia (and later Internet) to reference while crafting her every line. 2) As for school funding, you're basically screwed no matter what the official fiscal policy is. If you vote for less money to schools, schools obviously suffer. If you vote for _more_ money to the schools... the schools _still_ suffer because the extra tax revenue goes into a slush fund that never actually gets to the school intact, if at all. Meanwhile, the school suffers more cuts because everybody knows that (as gone over above) schools are useless, making cutting school funding a very easy piggy bank for politicians. When schools are useless, the deleterious effects of cut funding become negligible background static, as the schools weren't doing much with the funding they got in the first place. This is one of the bigger logical flaws with No Child Left Behind: a policy intended to reward success that instead punished failure because, while honey is more alluring than vinegar, vinegar is cheaper. The theory behind public school is that it exposes children to basic, rudimentary logic. The problem is that schools are stuffed to the brim with useless fluff, as if a small child had the wisdom to tell the wheat from the chaff. Once a kid learns basic literacy and how to work a dictionary, the English language is their oyster. Once a kid learns basic arithmetic, maybe some rudimentary algebra and geometry, they can handle the vast majority of real-world problems they will encounter. Once a kid knows how to learn, they can pick up any knowledge they want _as_ the want and / or need arises, not before. But that's never what happens. Due to inundating each and every student the same basic educational firmware, the kids are being _trained_ to realize that 90% of what they learn will be useless to them, so don't bother hanging onto it. School is supposed to teach kids _how to learn._ Instead, we've taught them how to _forget._ True education comes from being presented with problems and seeking out answers. George Lucas once said of film making that one doesn't design a new special effect technique and _then_ go find a reason to use it. You start with the effect you want to achieve, and then you figure out how to achieve it. Being taught anything doesn't really matter because the facts that you are being given are often delivered independently of the reason _why_ those facts matter and how it will improve your QoL to have this new skill. I remember this happening a lot when I was learning coding. "If interfaces are just files that list out function signatures and behaviors, what's the point? Don't classes basically do the same thing? Isn't this all just a completely redundant waste of time?" Now today, with eight years of professional experience, I can answer that question: "Most of the time, yes. Interfaces are behavioral contracts. Their main purpose is to stop code from compiling if the class that implements an interface fails to implement those listed behaviors. However, a strong interface implementation enables an object-oriented best practice called _polymorphism,_ allowing each class to implement a specific functionality in its own way. When multiple different kinds of unrelated objects share a common behavior pattern, this opens up new ways to write cleaner, more efficient, and more naturally intuitive code." Oh, and I didn't learn _any of that_ in a classroom... maybe. I imagine it _did_ come up at some point, but at that time I didn't have enough grasp on the higher principles to ground the meaning. What's a behavioral contract? What's polymorphism? What's object-oriented programming, and why would I ever not just code procedurally? Networking information classes were absolutely _awful_ about this. I can't recall a single time in my life when I've ever seen a switch, Nintendo consoles notwithstanding. And there was some kind of mnemonic device where the only thing I can remember was that it was about not throwing away sausage pizza...
@@Raving_Rando And, of course, the Department of Education does not like homeschooling, and works hard to push the message that it is only for religious nuts who hate Science.
I find it ironic that while the events within the specials aren't canon within the main Simpsons universe. In Treehouse of Horror XXV's School is Hell segment, Bart is shown to be a real savant within the Hell school system; even going on to become the "Male-dictorian" of his class after just one semester. This proves that all it takes is for people to be in a school that is able to teach them in a way THEY can connect with. The principal of the Hell School even says "as educators, our job is to gently nurture your child's passion." Meanwhile, when was the last time the American Educational System has nurtured the talents and skills of kids
Keep in mind, the modern education system was created by Rockefeller, with his comment on it being “I don’t want a nation of thinkers, but a nation of workers” and he based his education system on the Prussian system, which wasn’t designed to teach complex materials to people who barely even understood it, but to teach basic literacy and math to uneducated masses and for the majority of the population that was all education they needed. Those who required further education for their work either worked as apprentices for the thing they wanted to do, or if they were from better-off families could get private tutors for more effective teaching.
Even for a straight A student, it's hard. You have higher expectations and are not expected to make mistakes. I was a straight A student back in Elementary. People actually blinked when I was wrong and asked me if I was feeling okay which made me feel down. But in middle school, I started falling off due to depression and the fact that I got tired of doing the same things. What used to be As were now Bs and Cs if I'm lucky or Ds at worst. My middle school life was terrible with bullying and insecurities. And then my high school life, after COVID, I had gotten the motivation to finish strong and got As and Bs again but even during those times I hated failing. The public education system is beyond flawed and expects too much that eventually most kids hates and don't want to attend school like Bart or they get older and get tired of the lack of creativity.
Not really. The change really happened in the 1990's with the introduction of standardized tests which the federal government required in the 2000's to pass for graduation. No child left behind which tied funding the test scores. Now common core which more or less destroyed the education system as it forces kids to make simple solutions as complex as possible. Also the standardized testing changed how report cards are handled. Originally there were two grade columns. The first was your grade for that subject then was the effort column. If you had at least a C in either column you would pass. Under the pre standardized testing system as long as Bart showed effort to learn the subject he would have passed regardless of his actual grade.
Actually, American public schools DID change in 1980, when Carter created the Department of Education. Before that, to schools and teachers had much more autonomy in how they operated.
@@ladymacbethofmtensk896 They also allowed teachers to beat students back then. I don't know about you but I'm pretty sure physical abuse is NOT a good way to conduct a learning environment.
I did horrible on standardized tests. But did great on regular tests given by the teachers. The reason why was cuz the state standardized tests weren't good for someone like me but I knew the information. Granted state standardized tests aren't good when the schools don't teach the material too. If the school doesn't teach it then you don't learn on it. On top that many teachers show you how to take the test not the actual material so you learn nothing.
Thank you for making this video, this first episode perfectly describes the horrors I went through during high school. Thank you so much... I would've never believed before that it's NOT my fault that o failed almost everything, now, I know that I'm not just stupid, it's just this wasn't made for me 😔
I really like the fact that the Simpsons really tried to humanize Bart. So he’s not that “one cool kid but is also very dumb but doesn’t do anything to change or help that” in this episode they actually give Bart real struggles that is very relatable for adults and kids alike. And as somebody who has literally smacked themselves in an attempt to focus at one point I get what he’s going through. That’s why Bart gets an F is my favroite simpsons episode.
First. Nice But seriously as someone with stimulant resistant ADHD I began to struggle in 3rd grade. I remember being relieved when I was medically exempt standardized testing in 3rd grade but could still go to 4th grade. In college test anxiety made my life hell. I began to enjoy writing papers and doing projects
Hi! Just a question about ADHD, how do you get tested for it? My friends have been begging me to get tested because of the way I act in classes when I don’t have anything to distract me (work doesn’t distract me, I can’t focus much at all the more I get into school and it’s really hard for me.
@@Jago-Shogun alright I’ll try! I can focus on things sometimes but in lesson I’m at the verge of tears because they are talking, I cant focus on what they are saying, what’s on the board, the numbers or words, etc. I can focus on lessons like drama (sometimes but if I’m being spoken to by friends I zone out, especially when we are going over our script) , music (not really but more than some lessons) and textiles (the best one for focusing.) but it’s happened so fast 😭.
@@cheekycharlie24 Hi, I was tested and diagnosed in 2004 (I was 9 years old). The tests have changed a lot since then, but the test I went through involved listening to a series of beeps for a long period of time with a handheld button. I would have to press the button when I heard a high pitched sound. Additionally, they gave me a lot of "standardized" testing trying to test my endurance. Today I would highly suggest asking your doctor for testing, or to ask your doctor to recommend you to a psychologist who can test and diagnose you. From there, they can provide you with the tools you need, either coping skills or medication. In my experience, it took a long while to find a medication that worked, but I'm in my 20s now on extended release adderall, and it has made a drastic improvement to my productivity and life skills, but medication can only go so far. My school didn't really do anything for me to accomodate or learn coping skills for ADHD, and I suffered a lot like Bart does here. Just a last note, please do NOT ever ever ever take stimulants without a doctor's prescription, even if you're 100% sure you have ADHD.
Hes a 10 year old Boy, who only gets attention at Home when He does Bad Things. Where His sister is the good Kid and where He gets Severely abused by His own father since He was a small Child. And people are surprised He cant keep it Up at school?
I was considered gifted in English but I have a learning disability when it comes to math (as well as a lot of anxiety from being forced to learn it). I was bullied for being autistic, and the teachers insisted it was my fault while doing nothing to stop the bullies. I'm just glad it's over and I'm not forced to interact with my enemies on a daily basis.
If you don’t fit into the system, they label you “special education.” Sometimes the special ed teachers don’t have the passion for specialized teaching and they are not interested in ACTUALLY helping. However, if you get a teacher who CARES, sometimes you can excel.
I struggled with division when it was first being taught to me. Everyone that tried to help kept explaining it as “reverse multiplication” which made things worse. Thankfully I understood after a few weeks and now help my sister when she does math and if the first explanation fails I find a different way to explain.
The modern school system since the 1980s is designed for one purpose, and one purpose alone, to produce a viable and disposable workforce for companies especially in blue collared or white collared employment that is needed but doesn't require actual higher education learning. Your expected to learn and repeat what you learn. Creativity is not productive in a environment where your expected to follow rules.
Hi! As someone who cannot cope with teacher changing and can’t understand everyone’s teaching, my science teacher is my favourite for how he teaches. He refuses to let us write before he has explained everything to us so we aren’t writing down things we don’t understand. He shows us videos of his drone or something else at the start of most lessons and is quite fun to have teach.
I have cerebral palsy so school for me felt more like I was being forced to learn useless information and just to be clear it was I have trouble with math but when it comes to strategy that's where I shine my friends say I can lead but I don't think I can what I wanted to learn in school I wasn't allowed to because I was in special needs classes but in Canada special needs is just learn in a circle they teach nothing worth learning they just teach you stuff from sixth grade over and over and over again it's ridiculous worst of all you can't drop out and you get a certificate not a deploma which is a way of saying your worth noting I can't even get a job that doesn't pay less than minimum wage so working isn't even an option because most people don't want to hire someone without a deploma
My parents when I was younger had to put me in to tutoring since I cant focus the most easy on the class with other people adding their ideas so I had to be a tutoring so I could focus on my self
Same i can't take work around people, I need to be by myself twitching/moving around and glaring at my work. I also can't relate to most people, I took my own path so I'm gonna be a public notary and a meeting coordinator
One problem is that school isn't a choice. If you're forced to do something, you're not personally invested, so you find ways to rebel and escape. I was bad at school, but surprisingly good at university.
Homeschooled, basically us teaching ourselves because Mom didn't know what to do with us, until entering high school where I struggled with reading and had to go to a tutor, was godawful at math to the point I had to go to Summer school, had to get transferred into smaller classes for extra help, turns out I had an undiagnosed learning disability!
So, I'm repeating the 12th grade, all because of the system. I'm retaking my math class so I can graduate. Slight issue, it's online, so I can't ask for support, but rather book a meeting with my teacher. Normally math is my strongest subject, but during the year, I got bored. You see, I have Autism, and the school system doesn't really count for the fact that many other students could be struggling. The system used for American schools doesn't work. If they changed it, and gave schools more funding, I think a lot more students will be more focused on school than doing other things in school.
Why is over half the grade an F? It should be at the very most a 30%; that doesn’t make any sense. Did the people who created the system know how to divide correctly? We’re they even educated at all?
I started out as a minor autistic savant as I had high interests in math and science, and could read well above my weight, but I wasn't given an official aide like the other special needs students and so when I was left to myself, and bullies started escalating their attempts to get reactions out of me, my grades dropped sharply. I had to be removed from the 5th grade and moved down into 4th just so there'd be less incidents occuring. Didn't really stop bugger all as twice the same week in 2nd term, I got belted by the same shithead who started the fight that got me moved. I was jumped by him on my birthday, no less, the second I got off the bus. He got little more than a stern slap on the wrist. Come high school, I retained a lot of my ability to count and read, but a lot of textbook work relied on me to show how I figured out the math, instead of just writing the answer, as the answers were in the backs and we were supposed to read them at the end of class and grade our own work. I actually struggled trying to write out my math on paper, because it just swirled into a mess and didn't start making sense, so I only got half points for my work. Come the end of my school years, I absolutely stopped caring and did only the bare minimum to get through the day. I started sleeping in class a lot because for me, I had to put more effort into avoiding conflicts than doing work, I'd get home and sleep through dinnertime, wake up at night, and go back to bed around 1 or 2am. Rinse and repeat. My mother and I found three separate issues with what was going on, 1st was that the no-tolerance attitude between bullies meant that if I got into fights, I'd be punished, but the bullies saw it as a way to get free days suspended from school to screw about and do what they wanted. My mother chewed out the principal because it was all of their words against mine. I essentially became the memetic "quiet kid" but without the plans to murder half the school. 2nd was that the school's funding wasn't allowed to spend on what they needed, the department allocated what they wanted the school to spend it on, so they'd get a 3 thousand dollar bonus... to refurnish the gym, when it was fine. 200 to get decorations for the hallways, which wasn't necessary. They built a metal shop expansion to the woodwork room, that was barely used, and a lot of rooms were swapped around when the kindergarten had to be demolished due to mold infestation, thus a new one had to be built. There weren't many programs in place to actually support kids who needed help, other than the Special Ed aides, but there were like, 4 at most. Finally, teachers got a 3-year bonus for starting at a new school, and long-term teachers were thus paid a lot less. All the ones who knew the kids and how to deal with the problem ones had to relocate schools, and the new teachers were fresh out of college and had no clue how to deal with the problem kids, and one female teacher got in trouble for wearing tiny skirts and calling some of the kids bitches. I began my education at a public school, and ended it at a glorified daycare for young adults.
@@raymondcroteau It permenantly screwed up my teenage life. Not to mention, my mother was annoyed that they no longer did things like help year 10's get their tax file numbers or anything in order to help them look for jobs once they finished school. It was just a half-assed resume that meant jack shit because none of the "special skills" on it applied to the sorts of jobs available to those fresh outta school. They did it for my older cousins for some reason, but not me. That school was a joke.
I honestly believe that it should be a skill space system where you develop certain types of skills and don’t stop for deadlines or for other superfluous needs. Many of the things people forget is that girls tend to like people and guys tend to like things. It’s not they/them where you send male and female students into the same locker room or destroy sports because it’s toxic masculine.
I went through the EXACT SAME THING Bart went through in school, even down to being diagnosed with ADD. It took my whole life, and it's taking my whole life to learn me, who i am, how i retain information, and how not to hate myself
There are plenty of great entrepreneurs and artists who were terrible students in school. Then you get the GPA trap where you are told to work on what you aren't good at, instead of doubling down on what you are good at. There is a video where a principal reacts to this episode, and he gives a lot of good insight on ADHD and how kids like Bart can't thrive in that environment. Tests really do a good job wrecking havoc on a kids self-esteem and self-confidence, especially when they do a lot worse than their friends. Most tests reward memorizing.
As someone with Autism, I can confirm that the school system is trying to be a "One size fits all" situation, when it clearly shouldn't. While in primary school, I wasn't given my own space to think properly and do my work, so all I could do was join in with the rest of the class, even if I would object to something, especially when it came to class trips or religion.
I saw facebook post saying that We live at school and visit our homes Which is true because sometimes teachers make learning like prison and what do we get out of all of this a piece of paper others say " oh the piece of paper is for getting a job" since when? Do I need college maths and science when I'm flipping burgers
History is always more fun when u discuss it from the perspective of well what would you have done? or how would you react? truthfully we forget we have way more in common with the people of the past than we do in differences
One thing my school did was have counselors to help in highschool I thought I was smart enough to go into a more advanced math class, I was very mistaken when my grades started slipping bad especially when I was in sports making me skip that class. My counselor saw that and she did come one on one with me and helped me realize it be better if I went into a different class and that really helped me it was a bit less advanced as the other class but it really helped me get through the rest of the semester even with sport
The bart episode was really relatable, showing to me that it wasn't me who had an issue. I literally cried while watching it. Thanks for talking about it (: more people need to see it.
Fortunately, schools fewer schools now believe that one size fits all. Those that are sufficiently funded and with qualified staffing can recognize each student's strengths and develop them. The schools I taught in were able to work successfully with their Lisas and their Barts.
@@Bobrogers99 But thanks to the Department of Education, if you don't live in those districts, your children don't get to attend a better school. Doesn't socialized education suck?
@@ladymacbethofmtensk896 We need more socialization. If educational funding were shared among all districts there wouldn't be the drastic inequality that we see in the quality of US schools today.
@@Bobrogers99 In other words, we need more CENTRALIZATION. That is actually the problem, because America is a large and diverse country, and the people who run the Department of Education have no designs of ever visiting most of it, and yet you would have THEM decide for the people who actually LIVE in the various communities?
@@Bobrogers99 Public schools actually get enormous sums from the federal government as it is, but most of it gets wasted in all the administration. I suppose that your solution to this administrator problem would be to just hire more administrators?
I’m a junior in high school, and I do 100% get the “one size fits all” bs. Take my chem class for example. I rarely take note, never do the homework, and often times I find myself dozing off. (The dozing off part pisses me off just as much as it probably does to the teacher) However, I typically do very well. Especially in group projects. When we’re sitting in our desks, having to listen to a lecture and do the work with the teacher, is when I don’t take anything out of my bag, and find myself drooping to sleep. Still, four times out of five, when I’m called on to give an answer to a question, I get it right. I don’t know if there’s a worm in my brain that takes the answers and feeds them in, or if I have mind reading powers, I just do well. Still the teacher gets a little ornery when I don’t have a paper on my desk, even when I get the answers right. (Sometimes I even purposefully leave them in my bag to try challenging myself. Getting corrected helps me remember stuff too.)
as a kid I was basically bart... just not as bad.... I had a hard time in school, and as a result any day I could get away from school I would 100% have taken, just was so scared of getting into trouble as for the CANT test, I always took it as the assigned jobs as "Lisa smart, Lisa likely have big ego..... she might not get a big multi million dollar job so shrink ego a little!" and the reverse for Bard
Ostracization and unnecessary pressure leading to self ostracization is one big problem making lot of insecurities, discriminations and gate keeping to children and adults across the world, it really needs to be stopped.
he most likely also has adhd it something to me to we sometimes wont do it or turn it in cause we would not get a bad grade cause then we would feel stupid or like we aren't smart
Having been in the military, extreme emotional pressure (not misogyny) is practiced based on possible accosting and imprisonment from an enemy that could very well use torture, which includes mental and emotional attacks. The reason the military has been male dominated for so long is due to this basic fact. But, try to tell people this is the expectation of going while trying to recruit and see how many people join. The government got "around" this truth by financially incentivising recruitment and sign-on bonuses. Both instances of this and the video both point out the individuality of choice. One's a sales pitch, the other is mandated. We need to find multifaceted benefit for all based on individual mindset, not forced emphasis of group think. While at the same time teach the benefit of working with any group.
Public education has so many problems on every side and its clearly not working. The most infuriating part is even though it isn't working nothing is likely to change anytime soon.
The irony is a student who can ace the test is already beyond said grade level. So in reality, regardless of a students proficiency, it's about how much time is served in school rather than competency.
This!!! I've always tested above my grade level on state given standardized tests and stuff and yet I was never allowed to skip a grade for the reasons of "You need to learn the stuff being taught this year." Or some really dumb thing like "You don't have many friends. You need to learn to socialize with kids your own age."
In the uk we get two levels: higher and foundation... those taking the foundation level stick to easier concepts which get covered in the higher level, but people in higher get that plus more advanced stuff... those in foundation can't get a grade higher than a C (level 4)
Hey take it from a brit this is a problembus us too but a lesser degree school has a habit of over focasing on too specialized subjets and ignoring subjets that are actually inportant for life especially if your a creative kind of person
In Denmark we aren't given grades until 8th grade. That's also the time when students are encouraged to think more seriously about what they wanna do when they graduate. Instead, before that time we follow our classmates to the next grade by default until the system determines that a student would benefit from retaking a grade. We have these tests called national tests. They are digital tests and designed to change in difficulty depending on whether an answer is answered correctly or incorrectly, and it gives a result based on where you are compared to the average student at your grade. They're a sort of tests where some students need to get explained how it works and be reassured that if they cannot answer questions correctly it's not because they aren't good at the given subject - sometimes the opposite. Actually, I don't know if they're still being used or have been replaced. I've been out of that part of the school system for a long time.
American school system. Depending on the school, they either use a 10-point scale or a 7-point scale, which gives very little leniency for letter grades. On the 10-point scale, 59% and below is failing, while 69% and below is treated as failure (in the US, a D is a failing grade). On the 7-point scale, a 71% and below is an F, while 78% or below is a D.
Goof Troop had an episode about PJ and the school system. He literally freaked out because he was going to take a test. Max kept him up with some torturous study method, he could get a treat whenever he answered the right question and I forgot what he got when PJ got the wrong answer. PJ took the test, believed he failed it and that his dad was going to murder him. So, Max and PJ played hooky and got everything done on PJ's wish list that he made because for a while he believed Pete was going to kill him. There's also that comment from Timmy Turner's parents. Timmy reassures his parents that he can do better than an F and their response is pretty selfish. "You can? We were going to blame ourselves!" How is it the Turner parents' fault if their son has a psychotic F grade-obsessed teacher? I really feel for Lisa because I spent the whole summer reading Night and thought I was going to be in a more advanced English class, but nope, I was in the same English class as last time. It's still a slap in the face about how my mom and me forced myself to read all that summer, but only to get a backhanded "reward". "Oh, you tried, but you're still NOT smart enough!" This is part of the same reason why I am hesistant to go see a tutor because I really don't like feeling like I am dumber than my peers and need someone to step in and hold my hand just to barely pass a class. I know tutoring isn't supposed to be seen in that light, but I just hate feeling like I am going to be the laughing stock of the class. "Everyone can get it, but why can't you? Are you retarded or something?" I've been called the r word many times in the past.
Having autism, I was stuck in pre-algebra throughout middle and high school. I only found what I'm actually interested in when I was _not_ doing what I was told to. I've visited my high school for open house each year since graduating, and found that there's a class I'd gladly take the most recent time, had it been available then.
Without finishing full video before commenting, there is a recent episode where bart and lisa goes to a special school, where bart actually starts learning and doing better and lisa starting to struggle since different learning styles. - Unless thinking about a different show.
In the 2000 in Europe, I was a teenager at school, we didn't have that kind of test, but we were still asked around 15 years old to choose what we wanted to do in the future. You would have asked me, I would have said "I don't know, I guess I'm good with languages, so I might do something I'm good at... but I wouldn't say I want to do it.". (turns out being one of the best at languages in my school was not a compliment in the outside world so neither was I good, nor did I want to do a translator job. and good thing since google translate was getting popular). Not knowing what I wanted to do made me feel like my schoolmates were taking a step towards adulthood, and I was unable to do so. It's cruel to make kids feel like that.
As a combined ADHD kid i felt like no one cared about me because i was always told "you need to study harder" "i don't even try" or "he is not trying to learn" when i knew i was trying my best to focus and not bounce off the walls
I can fully agree! I’m a senior in high school, and I’m autistic with ADHD symptoms. Everything goes in one ear and out the other while I right stuff down to make it look like I’m paying attention when in reality I’m daydreaming like I do 24/7. Also I never study cause I don’t know how. I’m not good at getting school info in my brain. It’s not as easy as getting info from things I hyperfixate on in (FNAF for example). As a result, my grades are less than pleasant, especially in my math class. Oh! And my dream career is to be an animator, but there’s no college in my state (or any public college in the country) with that major. So yeah, I’m stuck in a fucked up system.
I can't remember what grade I was in it was either first second or third grade (cause after that I moved and went to different school) my principal called my parents in and said that I was doing bad in math which my parents knew was wrong because I could count all the way up to 100 watching trains go by at the local boat docks so they had me try to do some math problems with my parents there and I couldn't do it and my mom said we know he can count, we have watched him count train cars go by and my math teacher got the idea to draw some boxcars and started adding or subtracting them and then it all started to click with me and math from there.
I find it so weird that a 59 is a failing grade in the USA. In Europe (at least in Portugal) it's a 49 or lower. Anything over 50, and you've scraped by with the equivalent of a C-.
When I was young, I struggled. I was great in class (most classes), and then I crashed and burned in my tests because I always answered questions in the wrong way. And then I applied for business studies, thinking it would involve learning how to use computers and programming (the alternative, btw, was cooking), because I realised how important computers were going to be. The school didn't, because turned out it involved learning how to multiply numbers in Windows Excel. Who the hell uses Windows Excel? I would have learned more in the goddamn cookery classes.
I thought the most damming part of "Separate Vocations", regarding criticising the school system, is that all of the teachers need their Teacher's Edition books because they don't actually know anything about the subjects they're teaching. How do you get hired as a Math teacher if you don't even know the times tables?
Lisa is the type of person who excels in school because she is a good little puppet and overachiever, but in the real world will falter because she does not want her ideals challenged. Which is why the future episodes has her with Milhouse and why the Lisa College episodes are so pretentiousness and has this formula of Lisa succeeding while Bart is a loser. As if they are saying that Lisa can't stand that Bart is better at something than her.
I have never looked to Simpsons this way before, as a psychological problems that have been shown in a fun show for family, interesting how most of the people don’t really notice those, also impressed with your words like they sound massive, by the way “Somer Himpson” are you a psychologist or you know something about psychology?
I was told i was stupid when ever my family helped me with homework. And eventually i gave up trying so even now i believe I wouldn't make it. Im not smart enough. But i understand bart since Everytime i actually tried my teachers told me it wasn't enough. My family are naturally smart and pick things up fast....but unfortunately i don't fit that standard.
How did I answer what I wanted to be when I grow up, i said what would sound best to adults. If I didn’t I’d be corrected till I did. Think about that the next time you ask a child what they want to be when they grow up.
When I whent to school there methods were simulator to this and there were a few teachers that punished students for the smallest things so eventually I started to not bother paying much care for school and purposely made it so I barely passed exept for in PE and English class English because how I wright was long set in stone PE because I been in a state of self loathing and depression most of my life with games and interesting videos/channels and music ceeping me mostly stable exept the occasional laps in sanity twisting my thoughts into something sadistic and staring to uncontrollably laugh.
That is not actually the entire problem. The fundamental problem is that ALL American public schools are governed by one federal Department of Education in Washington DC, which does not allow private individuals to start their own schools. This federal government monopoly governed by intellectuals who have never dealt with real children is the foundational problem, and it is compounded by the teachers' unions, which disincentivise any efforts to improve the system from within, because the union awards pay raises and promotions according to seniority, not according to results, and will often punish teachers who take their jobs too seriously and encourage parents to expect other teachers to do more. The solution is very clear. Eradicate the Department of Education and forcibly disband the teachers' unions.
I’m a gifted kid here but I can relate here, in science my teacher teaches stuff slowly for most kids being unable to learn it, same for math but those 2 are my best subjects and I can’t be bothered to listen much other than the main concept and how to solve it For Chinese I am barely even keeping my head together with people in that class just hating me and the topics too much for me when I try to improve My math is almost P5 level Science can be P6 early year (maybe) Chinese is P1 early year I’m in P4 Rest average except Art Art is my passion but I’m a starting horror artist ever since I stopped drawing my favourite characters from shows and games In art it isn’t much creative other than a playground for “imagination” Like Art is supposed to be creative not tutorials or pasting paper on paper! That’s just art no one uses but I’m going to list the pros and cons Pros Flex Fun (maybe) Cons Messy Fixed Non creative I have never learned one thing from this other than what is abstract art(never using)
i lost my comment- but what i was trying to say is that i never went threw middle school or high school and i was told in 5th grade id be going to counseling for the fact i was a troubled kid there, but i could only tell them "I don't know" cuz i genuinely didn't know why i wouldn't pay attention and why i was so distracted
i am from Belgium, when was 13 i went too a special school that was also a sort of boarding school ? and the school system was measured into 8 cycli per class every year and two months per year you had time too finsh the classes you had problems with; After every cyclus you got a test, if you passed a test you go too the next cyclus. In class you sat with people from different grades .. also you got time schedule from every teacher so you could make time for your own lessons, if you, needed help you could speak with the teacher. every week you had too meet with your titularis teacher too see you did your full hours of school per week and also at what cyclus you were at every class if you were behind in a class you needed too put more hours into that class or wait for the two extra months per year .. (once in October/November or in April/May.) it was a system made too support kids that are often sick, you could do your school in hospital or on your own. it also gave more of a mature way of dealing with students . Also if you didn't end the year with 8 cycli .. you would pass the classes you did and the classes you didn't started where you ended with your cyclus. testing was done in stages you had the written test and you also had an oral test .. too see if the student understood everything and it also helped with students that had dyslexia. i did that school only two years. after that and even before that never did any better than that time in school!
And if you have schools that are trying to be supportive, make sure that someone isn't embezzling the funds to keep them running. (Son went to a charter/magnet school and now granddaughter is attending the same one ... in between, the previous principal and senior secretary embezzled something like 150K out of the budget ... Sigh.)
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"Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."
-Albert Einstein
yea and i am stupid. I cant even find the integral of a function or get a 1600 on the sat
@@Stickyrice447 the average youtube user doesn’t even know what an integral is. you’re already above average bro
@@blueguns15000 what’s an integra-
@@blueguns15000Smartness is not strictly defined as math, but critical thinking skills and interpreting logic. I’m so tired of this stereotype that if you are good at math then that means that you are the smartest person in the room. I know math and I am still so stupid. “What is wrong with me” - -Student- Drone
@@fractalgeometry2 Math was never meant to be measured as a level of IQ, yet stereotyping standardized it as so. If you’re bad at math, who cares? You’re not going to use it unless you want to be an engineer or architect. My message was in no way meant to say that people who know math are smart, only insinuating that in terms of math knowledge, knowing what integrals are and what they mean was past middle.
Here’s what schools get wrong
Smarter ≠ Faster
Smarter ≠ Good at math
Smarter ≠ Higher numbers
Smarter = Actual intelligence and critical thinking skills.
There was a girl in my school who always struggled with math, one day she drew something that absolutely blew me away, it was amazingly good for her grade level. The worst part is that people would still call her dumb just because she needed help with division. “We’ve lived decades where if you dream of working in a factory, your performance is considered better than if you wanted to inspire other people.”
same happened to me, at english (lenguage class), i can say im solid in english however my mother is in disbelief because i falied at one part that kept me stugguled sence my native lenguage (Spanish), it was mostly verbal times thing that is in all lenguages, at that point she questions about my english just because of something that happends on most lenguages and worst part she just keeps presure me, thing that for me it just preasures to the point i stress alot.
@@fractalgeometry2 Maybe that girl's problems with maths had more to do with educational fashion than actual difficulty. Educational theorists in the 1960's thought that teaching the ambitious New Maths would make everyone into a maths genius, but it only made children hate it, and since creation of the Department of Education, the policy has been to combat maths' reputation for being hard by giving it one for being extremely slow and tedious, and those big brains have been doubling and tripling down on that policy ever since.
I didn't study in the USA, so it might be different, but I have a story that proves this in a surreal way.
I was always considered the lazy, wasted talent, undedicated student who didn't try enough. All my grades were average, I couldn't perform better than this no matter how much I tried, so I stopped trying. Were I studied, we have a national format to test every student and see if we're worthy of truly finishing school. While yes, the usual 3 students who always got the best grades scored above 90%, I myself scored 88% (way higher than the national average, which was around 60 something %).
The point is: I didn't study for the exams, I got through everything due to my creativity and capability to adapt to unusual situations. Indeed, one of the tests had a grading for creativity, and I scored max points for said criteria.
I learned everything that got me throught school, outside of school... including english, which is neither my first nor second language.
I'm glad to know that not every school, and especially not every teacher is as bad as we all know they can be, but it's sad to see kids wasting their youth for the sake of being labelled A from a stranger that will never see them again once they finish school.
Look Schools try their best, they don’t get enough funding to be doing fancy tehciques.
And this is coming from a channel called "FractalGeometry".
Schools dont care how good the children's grades are.
They only care how good THEIR grades are.
Holy sh*t this is so true, as a french dude I am in a high school which goes as far to EXPEL underperforming students just so that they are in the third place in france's best high schools, I almost got myself expelled because I made a bad joke 1 year ago and they still think I'll do what I said and I'm barely able to climb up my grades even tough I am in the top 5 of the best performing students in a class of 9.
In other words : SCHOOLS are a bunch of morons .
I remember when I went to elementary school, my teachers would have us participate in skits for some of the subjects so we could learn them better. It definitely helped too. History was always more fun when we got to be silly with it
I'm glad she was a positive role model in how to handle her subjects. I had a teacher that just said, "Read the assigned chapter because you have a test on it coming up." and mostly just watching movies while in class.
In 8th grade, my history teacher had us do the same with the Salem Witch Trials. One guy pretended to have a seizure to claim that I was a witch.
BRO. DID YOU GO TO HEAVEN?!
A couple of insights:
1) The first idea about Bart studying hard and still failing the test in spite of his efforts doesn't just result in false negatives for students like Bart. It would also result in false _positives_ for students like Lisa. Lisa's challenges from the school system aren't that they fail to intellectually challenge her, but that they aren't even doing the bare minimum for her. Rote memorization and tests that can be beaten via brute force rote memorization only train the short-term memory. That's literally what studying is intended to do: exercise short-term memory before rapidly jettisoning the information. Lisa is being lied to, convinced that she's doing well, when really she's learned even _less_ than Bart. And that's only _partially_ because Lisa has all the intelligence of a 30-year-old comedian with an entire encyclopedia (and later Internet) to reference while crafting her every line.
2) As for school funding, you're basically screwed no matter what the official fiscal policy is. If you vote for less money to schools, schools obviously suffer. If you vote for _more_ money to the schools... the schools _still_ suffer because the extra tax revenue goes into a slush fund that never actually gets to the school intact, if at all. Meanwhile, the school suffers more cuts because everybody knows that (as gone over above) schools are useless, making cutting school funding a very easy piggy bank for politicians. When schools are useless, the deleterious effects of cut funding become negligible background static, as the schools weren't doing much with the funding they got in the first place. This is one of the bigger logical flaws with No Child Left Behind: a policy intended to reward success that instead punished failure because, while honey is more alluring than vinegar, vinegar is cheaper.
The theory behind public school is that it exposes children to basic, rudimentary logic. The problem is that schools are stuffed to the brim with useless fluff, as if a small child had the wisdom to tell the wheat from the chaff. Once a kid learns basic literacy and how to work a dictionary, the English language is their oyster. Once a kid learns basic arithmetic, maybe some rudimentary algebra and geometry, they can handle the vast majority of real-world problems they will encounter. Once a kid knows how to learn, they can pick up any knowledge they want _as_ the want and / or need arises, not before. But that's never what happens. Due to inundating each and every student the same basic educational firmware, the kids are being _trained_ to realize that 90% of what they learn will be useless to them, so don't bother hanging onto it. School is supposed to teach kids _how to learn._ Instead, we've taught them how to _forget._ True education comes from being presented with problems and seeking out answers. George Lucas once said of film making that one doesn't design a new special effect technique and _then_ go find a reason to use it. You start with the effect you want to achieve, and then you figure out how to achieve it.
Being taught anything doesn't really matter because the facts that you are being given are often delivered independently of the reason _why_ those facts matter and how it will improve your QoL to have this new skill. I remember this happening a lot when I was learning coding. "If interfaces are just files that list out function signatures and behaviors, what's the point? Don't classes basically do the same thing? Isn't this all just a completely redundant waste of time?" Now today, with eight years of professional experience, I can answer that question: "Most of the time, yes. Interfaces are behavioral contracts. Their main purpose is to stop code from compiling if the class that implements an interface fails to implement those listed behaviors. However, a strong interface implementation enables an object-oriented best practice called _polymorphism,_ allowing each class to implement a specific functionality in its own way. When multiple different kinds of unrelated objects share a common behavior pattern, this opens up new ways to write cleaner, more efficient, and more naturally intuitive code." Oh, and I didn't learn _any of that_ in a classroom... maybe. I imagine it _did_ come up at some point, but at that time I didn't have enough grasp on the higher principles to ground the meaning. What's a behavioral contract? What's polymorphism? What's object-oriented programming, and why would I ever not just code procedurally? Networking information classes were absolutely _awful_ about this. I can't recall a single time in my life when I've ever seen a switch, Nintendo consoles notwithstanding. And there was some kind of mnemonic device where the only thing I can remember was that it was about not throwing away sausage pizza...
This reminds me of Wacking Day, where Marge starts homeschooling Bart and he actually starts showing a jump in his knowledge and learning.
@@Raving_Rando And, of course, the Department of Education does not like homeschooling, and works hard to push the message that it is only for religious nuts who hate Science.
Part of the reason for that is that Marge understand her son and know how to make him interested in learning.
I find it ironic that while the events within the specials aren't canon within the main Simpsons universe. In Treehouse of Horror XXV's School is Hell segment, Bart is shown to be a real savant within the Hell school system; even going on to become the "Male-dictorian" of his class after just one semester.
This proves that all it takes is for people to be in a school that is able to teach them in a way THEY can connect with. The principal of the Hell School even says "as educators, our job is to gently nurture your child's passion." Meanwhile, when was the last time the American Educational System has nurtured the talents and skills of kids
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I could 100% see the US school system being worse than actual hell
Keep in mind, the modern education system was created by Rockefeller, with his comment on it being “I don’t want a nation of thinkers, but a nation of workers” and he based his education system on the Prussian system, which wasn’t designed to teach complex materials to people who barely even understood it, but to teach basic literacy and math to uneducated masses and for the majority of the population that was all education they needed. Those who required further education for their work either worked as apprentices for the thing they wanted to do, or if they were from better-off families could get private tutors for more effective teaching.
Even for a straight A student, it's hard. You have higher expectations and are not expected to make mistakes. I was a straight A student back in Elementary. People actually blinked when I was wrong and asked me if I was feeling okay which made me feel down. But in middle school, I started falling off due to depression and the fact that I got tired of doing the same things. What used to be As were now Bs and Cs if I'm lucky or Ds at worst. My middle school life was terrible with bullying and insecurities. And then my high school life, after COVID, I had gotten the motivation to finish strong and got As and Bs again but even during those times I hated failing. The public education system is beyond flawed and expects too much that eventually most kids hates and don't want to attend school like Bart or they get older and get tired of the lack of creativity.
School hasn’t changed for decades, it hasn’t changed since the Industrial Age!
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They literally want you to work to death with a piece of gilded paper. May explain why some go cray-cray and become doom cultists?
Not really. The change really happened in the 1990's with the introduction of standardized tests which the federal government required in the 2000's to pass for graduation. No child left behind which tied funding the test scores. Now common core which more or less destroyed the education system as it forces kids to make simple solutions as complex as possible.
Also the standardized testing changed how report cards are handled. Originally there were two grade columns. The first was your grade for that subject then was the effort column. If you had at least a C in either column you would pass.
Under the pre standardized testing system as long as Bart showed effort to learn the subject he would have passed regardless of his actual grade.
Actually, American public schools DID change in 1980, when Carter created the Department of Education. Before that, to schools and teachers had much more autonomy in how they operated.
@@ladymacbethofmtensk896 They also allowed teachers to beat students back then. I don't know about you but I'm pretty sure physical abuse is NOT a good way to conduct a learning environment.
Dawg, I got through school by borrowing my classmates notes because I'm terrible at writing my own and their summarized insights really helped.
I did horrible on standardized tests. But did great on regular tests given by the teachers. The reason why was cuz the state standardized tests weren't good for someone like me but I knew the information. Granted state standardized tests aren't good when the schools don't teach the material too. If the school doesn't teach it then you don't learn on it. On top that many teachers show you how to take the test not the actual material so you learn nothing.
Thank you for making this video, this first episode perfectly describes the horrors I went through during high school. Thank you so much... I would've never believed before that it's NOT my fault that o failed almost everything, now, I know that I'm not just stupid, it's just this wasn't made for me 😔
I really like the fact that the Simpsons really tried to humanize Bart. So he’s not that “one cool kid but is also very dumb but doesn’t do anything to change or help that” in this episode they actually give Bart real struggles that is very relatable for adults and kids alike. And as somebody who has literally smacked themselves in an attempt to focus at one point I get what he’s going through. That’s why Bart gets an F is my favroite simpsons episode.
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But seriously as someone with stimulant resistant ADHD I began to struggle in 3rd grade. I remember being relieved when I was medically exempt standardized testing in 3rd grade but could still go to 4th grade.
In college test anxiety made my life hell. I began to enjoy writing papers and doing projects
Hi! Just a question about ADHD, how do you get tested for it? My friends have been begging me to get tested because of the way I act in classes when I don’t have anything to distract me (work doesn’t distract me, I can’t focus much at all the more I get into school and it’s really hard for me.
@@cheekycharlie24umm … I have it IDK .
@@cheekycharlie24 I suggest learning to focus and expand your attention-span.
@@Jago-Shogun alright I’ll try! I can focus on things sometimes but in lesson I’m at the verge of tears because they are talking, I cant focus on what they are saying, what’s on the board, the numbers or words, etc. I can focus on lessons like drama (sometimes but if I’m being spoken to by friends I zone out, especially when we are going over our script) , music (not really but more than some lessons) and textiles (the best one for focusing.) but it’s happened so fast 😭.
@@cheekycharlie24 Hi, I was tested and diagnosed in 2004 (I was 9 years old). The tests have changed a lot since then, but the test I went through involved listening to a series of beeps for a long period of time with a handheld button. I would have to press the button when I heard a high pitched sound. Additionally, they gave me a lot of "standardized" testing trying to test my endurance.
Today I would highly suggest asking your doctor for testing, or to ask your doctor to recommend you to a psychologist who can test and diagnose you. From there, they can provide you with the tools you need, either coping skills or medication.
In my experience, it took a long while to find a medication that worked, but I'm in my 20s now on extended release adderall, and it has made a drastic improvement to my productivity and life skills, but medication can only go so far. My school didn't really do anything for me to accomodate or learn coping skills for ADHD, and I suffered a lot like Bart does here.
Just a last note, please do NOT ever ever ever take stimulants without a doctor's prescription, even if you're 100% sure you have ADHD.
Crazy how long ago these episodes came out and all the messages about the school system remain true
Hes a 10 year old Boy, who only gets attention at Home when He does Bad Things. Where His sister is the good Kid and where He gets Severely abused by His own father since He was a small Child. And people are surprised He cant keep it Up at school?
I was considered gifted in English but I have a learning disability when it comes to math (as well as a lot of anxiety from being forced to learn it).
I was bullied for being autistic, and the teachers insisted it was my fault while doing nothing to stop the bullies. I'm just glad it's over and I'm not forced to interact with my enemies on a daily basis.
school = prison this is NOT a debate
The thing what kills students or kids are creativity motivation and freedom Wich once you enter school never will be there
Seriously, the school has a regime like a damn prison
School be like: you don’t do well?
Not my problem!
If you don’t fit into the system, they label you “special education.” Sometimes the special ed teachers don’t have the passion for specialized teaching and they are not interested in ACTUALLY helping. However, if you get a teacher who CARES, sometimes you can excel.
in my new school most of the topics I had already known from my previous school so I try and help others who don’t get it as easily
I struggled with division when it was first being taught to me. Everyone that tried to help kept explaining it as “reverse multiplication” which made things worse. Thankfully I understood after a few weeks and now help my sister when she does math and if the first explanation fails I find a different way to explain.
Schools are not prisons, they are students own personal hell
Be a stone, not a brick. A cobblestone wall builds on the unique aspects of each individual stone, a brick wall is uniform and unoriginal. Be a stone.
No id rather be wood
@stellviahohenheim whatever works for you man, wood is adaptable.
The modern school system since the 1980s is designed for one purpose, and one purpose alone, to produce a viable and disposable workforce for companies especially in blue collared or white collared employment that is needed but doesn't require actual higher education learning. Your expected to learn and repeat what you learn. Creativity is not productive in a environment where your expected to follow rules.
Hi! As someone who cannot cope with teacher changing and can’t understand everyone’s teaching, my science teacher is my favourite for how he teaches. He refuses to let us write before he has explained everything to us so we aren’t writing down things we don’t understand. He shows us videos of his drone or something else at the start of most lessons and is quite fun to have teach.
I have cerebral palsy so school for me felt more like I was being forced to learn useless information and just to be clear it was I have trouble with math but when it comes to strategy that's where I shine my friends say I can lead but I don't think I can what I wanted to learn in school I wasn't allowed to because I was in special needs classes but in Canada special needs is just learn in a circle they teach nothing worth learning they just teach you stuff from sixth grade over and over and over again it's ridiculous worst of all you can't drop out and you get a certificate not a deploma which is a way of saying your worth noting I can't even get a job that doesn't pay less than minimum wage so working isn't even an option because most people don't want to hire someone without a deploma
My parents when I was younger had to put me in to tutoring since I cant focus the most easy on the class with other people adding their ideas so I had to be a tutoring so I could focus on my self
Same i can't take work around people, I need to be by myself twitching/moving around and glaring at my work. I also can't relate to most people, I took my own path so I'm gonna be a public notary and a meeting coordinator
One problem is that school isn't a choice. If you're forced to do something, you're not personally invested, so you find ways to rebel and escape. I was bad at school, but surprisingly good at university.
Homeschooled, basically us teaching ourselves because Mom didn't know what to do with us, until entering high school where I struggled with reading and had to go to a tutor, was godawful at math to the point I had to go to Summer school, had to get transferred into smaller classes for extra help, turns out I had an undiagnosed learning disability!
So, I'm repeating the 12th grade, all because of the system. I'm retaking my math class so I can graduate. Slight issue, it's online, so I can't ask for support, but rather book a meeting with my teacher.
Normally math is my strongest subject, but during the year, I got bored. You see, I have Autism, and the school system doesn't really count for the fact that many other students could be struggling.
The system used for American schools doesn't work. If they changed it, and gave schools more funding, I think a lot more students will be more focused on school than doing other things in school.
Why is over half the grade an F? It should be at the very most a 30%; that doesn’t make any sense. Did the people who created the system know how to divide correctly? We’re they even educated at all?
I started out as a minor autistic savant as I had high interests in math and science, and could read well above my weight, but I wasn't given an official aide like the other special needs students and so when I was left to myself, and bullies started escalating their attempts to get reactions out of me, my grades dropped sharply. I had to be removed from the 5th grade and moved down into 4th just so there'd be less incidents occuring. Didn't really stop bugger all as twice the same week in 2nd term, I got belted by the same shithead who started the fight that got me moved. I was jumped by him on my birthday, no less, the second I got off the bus. He got little more than a stern slap on the wrist.
Come high school, I retained a lot of my ability to count and read, but a lot of textbook work relied on me to show how I figured out the math, instead of just writing the answer, as the answers were in the backs and we were supposed to read them at the end of class and grade our own work. I actually struggled trying to write out my math on paper, because it just swirled into a mess and didn't start making sense, so I only got half points for my work.
Come the end of my school years, I absolutely stopped caring and did only the bare minimum to get through the day. I started sleeping in class a lot because for me, I had to put more effort into avoiding conflicts than doing work, I'd get home and sleep through dinnertime, wake up at night, and go back to bed around 1 or 2am. Rinse and repeat. My mother and I found three separate issues with what was going on,
1st was that the no-tolerance attitude between bullies meant that if I got into fights, I'd be punished, but the bullies saw it as a way to get free days suspended from school to screw about and do what they wanted. My mother chewed out the principal because it was all of their words against mine. I essentially became the memetic "quiet kid" but without the plans to murder half the school.
2nd was that the school's funding wasn't allowed to spend on what they needed, the department allocated what they wanted the school to spend it on, so they'd get a 3 thousand dollar bonus... to refurnish the gym, when it was fine. 200 to get decorations for the hallways, which wasn't necessary. They built a metal shop expansion to the woodwork room, that was barely used, and a lot of rooms were swapped around when the kindergarten had to be demolished due to mold infestation, thus a new one had to be built. There weren't many programs in place to actually support kids who needed help, other than the Special Ed aides, but there were like, 4 at most.
Finally, teachers got a 3-year bonus for starting at a new school, and long-term teachers were thus paid a lot less. All the ones who knew the kids and how to deal with the problem ones had to relocate schools, and the new teachers were fresh out of college and had no clue how to deal with the problem kids, and one female teacher got in trouble for wearing tiny skirts and calling some of the kids bitches. I began my education at a public school, and ended it at a glorified daycare for young adults.
Public School is a special hell for diagnosed and undiagnosed autistic alike.
@@raymondcroteau It permenantly screwed up my teenage life. Not to mention, my mother was annoyed that they no longer did things like help year 10's get their tax file numbers or anything in order to help them look for jobs once they finished school. It was just a half-assed resume that meant jack shit because none of the "special skills" on it applied to the sorts of jobs available to those fresh outta school. They did it for my older cousins for some reason, but not me. That school was a joke.
I honestly believe that it should be a skill space system where you develop certain types of skills and don’t stop for deadlines or for other superfluous needs.
Many of the things people forget is that girls tend to like people and guys tend to like things. It’s not they/them where you send male and female students into the same locker room or destroy sports because it’s toxic masculine.
I went through the EXACT SAME THING Bart went through in school, even down to being diagnosed with ADD. It took my whole life, and it's taking my whole life to learn me, who i am, how i retain information, and how not to hate myself
I can relate to Lisa and Bart I am bad at science but great at math.
Me too
There are plenty of great entrepreneurs and artists who were terrible students in school. Then you get the GPA trap where you are told to work on what you aren't good at, instead of doubling down on what you are good at.
There is a video where a principal reacts to this episode, and he gives a lot of good insight on ADHD and how kids like Bart can't thrive in that environment. Tests really do a good job wrecking havoc on a kids self-esteem and self-confidence, especially when they do a lot worse than their friends. Most tests reward memorizing.
As someone with Autism, I can confirm that the school system is trying to be a "One size fits all" situation, when it clearly shouldn't.
While in primary school, I wasn't given my own space to think properly and do my work, so all I could do was join in with the rest of the class, even if I would object to something, especially when it came to class trips or religion.
Did you really have Autism, or was it just another of the ways public schools convince you that YOU are the problem?
@@seancaffrey8153 Is is actually Autism, or is it Introversion and Uvlecheniye?
@@ladymacbethofmtensk896 What's Uvlecheniye? The only thing I can find online is a Russian word meaning "Interest in."
As somebody writing a book about creativity, I believe the public school system doesn't teach enough creativity.
Superintendent Chalmers was the best teacher Bart ever had
This system needs to end or change
I saw facebook post saying that
We live at school and visit our homes
Which is true because sometimes teachers make learning like prison and what do we get out of all of this a piece of paper others say " oh the piece of paper is for getting a job" since when? Do I need college maths and science when I'm flipping burgers
History is always more fun when u discuss it from the perspective of well what would you have done? or how would you react? truthfully we forget we have way more in common with the people of the past than we do in differences
One thing my school did was have counselors to help in highschool I thought I was smart enough to go into a more advanced math class, I was very mistaken when my grades started slipping bad especially when I was in sports making me skip that class. My counselor saw that and she did come one on one with me and helped me realize it be better if I went into a different class and that really helped me it was a bit less advanced as the other class but it really helped me get through the rest of the semester even with sport
This is literally the exact thing i went through in school, i wouldn't know anything if hadn't gone out of my way to teach myself...
The bart episode was really relatable, showing to me that it wasn't me who had an issue.
I literally cried while watching it.
Thanks for talking about it (: more people need to see it.
Fortunately, schools fewer schools now believe that one size fits all. Those that are sufficiently funded and with qualified staffing can recognize each student's strengths and develop them. The schools I taught in were able to work successfully with their Lisas and their Barts.
@@Bobrogers99 But thanks to the Department of Education, if you don't live in those districts, your children don't get to attend a better school.
Doesn't socialized education suck?
@@ladymacbethofmtensk896 We need more socialization. If educational funding were shared among all districts there wouldn't be the drastic inequality that we see in the quality of US schools today.
@@Bobrogers99 In other words, we need more CENTRALIZATION. That is actually the problem, because America is a large and diverse country, and the people who run the Department of Education have no designs of ever visiting most of it, and yet you would have THEM decide for the people who actually LIVE in the various communities?
@@ladymacbethofmtensk896 The control could remain local, but more funding should come from the federal level.
@@Bobrogers99 Public schools actually get enormous sums from the federal government as it is, but most of it gets wasted in all the administration.
I suppose that your solution to this administrator problem would be to just hire more administrators?
I’m a junior in high school, and I do 100% get the “one size fits all” bs. Take my chem class for example.
I rarely take note, never do the homework, and often times I find myself dozing off. (The dozing off part pisses me off just as much as it probably does to the teacher) However, I typically do very well. Especially in group projects. When we’re sitting in our desks, having to listen to a lecture and do the work with the teacher, is when I don’t take anything out of my bag, and find myself drooping to sleep. Still, four times out of five, when I’m called on to give an answer to a question, I get it right. I don’t know if there’s a worm in my brain that takes the answers and feeds them in, or if I have mind reading powers, I just do well. Still the teacher gets a little ornery when I don’t have a paper on my desk, even when I get the answers right.
(Sometimes I even purposefully leave them in my bag to try challenging myself. Getting corrected helps me remember stuff too.)
as a kid I was basically bart... just not as bad....
I had a hard time in school, and as a result any day I could get away from school I would 100% have taken, just was so scared of getting into trouble
as for the CANT test, I always took it as the assigned jobs as "Lisa smart, Lisa likely have big ego..... she might not get a big multi million dollar job so shrink ego a little!" and the reverse for Bard
This is why I’d like to become a teacher. To give them the unique teaching styles they need.
Don't. The system will crush you.
Ostracization and unnecessary pressure leading to self ostracization is one big problem making lot of insecurities, discriminations and gate keeping to children and adults across the world, it really needs to be stopped.
he most likely also has adhd it something to me to we sometimes wont do it or turn it in cause we would not get a bad grade cause then we would feel stupid or like we aren't smart
Really good video I do miss when Simpsons was really good & focused more on story & character as opposed to jokes
Having been in the military, extreme emotional pressure (not misogyny) is practiced based on possible accosting and imprisonment from an enemy that could very well use torture, which includes mental and emotional attacks.
The reason the military has been male dominated for so long is due to this basic fact.
But, try to tell people this is the expectation of going while trying to recruit and see how many people join.
The government got "around" this truth by financially incentivising recruitment and sign-on bonuses.
Both instances of this and the video both point out the individuality of choice.
One's a sales pitch, the other is mandated. We need to find multifaceted benefit for all based on individual mindset, not forced emphasis of group think. While at the same time teach the benefit of working with any group.
Public education has so many problems on every side and its clearly not working. The most infuriating part is even though it isn't working nothing is likely to change anytime soon.
The irony is a student who can ace the test is already beyond said grade level. So in reality, regardless of a students proficiency, it's about how much time is served in school rather than competency.
This!!! I've always tested above my grade level on state given standardized tests and stuff and yet I was never allowed to skip a grade for the reasons of "You need to learn the stuff being taught this year." Or some really dumb thing like "You don't have many friends. You need to learn to socialize with kids your own age."
@cl0udy333 same, in elementary at least for me.
Similar to me I have a few advanced classes that are quite easy but yet algebra is my one struggle though I’m very slowly improving
In the uk we get two levels: higher and foundation... those taking the foundation level stick to easier concepts which get covered in the higher level, but people in higher get that plus more advanced stuff... those in foundation can't get a grade higher than a C (level 4)
Hey take it from a brit this is a problembus us too but a lesser degree school has a habit of over focasing on too specialized subjets and ignoring subjets that are actually inportant for life especially if your a creative kind of person
In Denmark we aren't given grades until 8th grade. That's also the time when students are encouraged to think more seriously about what they wanna do when they graduate.
Instead, before that time we follow our classmates to the next grade by default until the system determines that a student would benefit from retaking a grade. We have these tests called national tests. They are digital tests and designed to change in difficulty depending on whether an answer is answered correctly or incorrectly, and it gives a result based on where you are compared to the average student at your grade.
They're a sort of tests where some students need to get explained how it works and be reassured that if they cannot answer questions correctly it's not because they aren't good at the given subject - sometimes the opposite.
Actually, I don't know if they're still being used or have been replaced. I've been out of that part of the school system for a long time.
I never understood how Bart getting more than 50% was still a fail.
Anything below 59% is an F
@@Defjulianimations How come? If you get more than half right that should be a pass. At least in this context.
@@danielyeshe60% is the passing score (aka d-) at least that’s what i know
@@Defjulianimations I see. Seems harsh for a 10 year old.
American school system. Depending on the school, they either use a 10-point scale or a 7-point scale, which gives very little leniency for letter grades.
On the 10-point scale, 59% and below is failing, while 69% and below is treated as failure (in the US, a D is a failing grade).
On the 7-point scale, a 71% and below is an F, while 78% or below is a D.
Goof Troop had an episode about PJ and the school system. He literally freaked out because he was going to take a test. Max kept him up with some torturous study method, he could get a treat whenever he answered the right question and I forgot what he got when PJ got the wrong answer.
PJ took the test, believed he failed it and that his dad was going to murder him. So, Max and PJ played hooky and got everything done on PJ's wish list that he made because for a while he believed Pete was going to kill him.
There's also that comment from Timmy Turner's parents. Timmy reassures his parents that he can do better than an F and their response is pretty selfish. "You can? We were going to blame ourselves!"
How is it the Turner parents' fault if their son has a psychotic F grade-obsessed teacher? I really feel for Lisa because I spent the whole summer reading Night and thought I was going to be in a more advanced English class, but nope, I was in the same English class as last time. It's still a slap in the face about how my mom and me forced myself to read all that summer, but only to get a backhanded "reward". "Oh, you tried, but you're still NOT smart enough!"
This is part of the same reason why I am hesistant to go see a tutor because I really don't like feeling like I am dumber than my peers and need someone to step in and hold my hand just to barely pass a class.
I know tutoring isn't supposed to be seen in that light, but I just hate feeling like I am going to be the laughing stock of the class. "Everyone can get it, but why can't you? Are you retarded or something?"
I've been called the r word many times in the past.
If not for the teachers' union Timmy Turner's psychotic teacher would have been sacked and blacklisted years ago.
Whenever PJ got an answer wrong, he got an egg slammed in his face. As Max put it, "Answer wrong and the yolk's on you!"
15:37 holy shit i was not expecting the f bomb HAHAHA
11:09 It’s not a sonic boom,sonic booms happen when something travels faster than the speed sound,not a very loud sound
Having autism, I was stuck in pre-algebra throughout middle and high school. I only found what I'm actually interested in when I was _not_ doing what I was told to.
I've visited my high school for open house each year since graduating, and found that there's a class I'd gladly take the most recent time, had it been available then.
Without finishing full video before commenting, there is a recent episode where bart and lisa goes to a special school, where bart actually starts learning and doing better and lisa starting to struggle since different learning styles. - Unless thinking about a different show.
In the 2000 in Europe, I was a teenager at school, we didn't have that kind of test, but we were still asked around 15 years old to choose what we wanted to do in the future. You would have asked me, I would have said "I don't know, I guess I'm good with languages, so I might do something I'm good at... but I wouldn't say I want to do it.". (turns out being one of the best at languages in my school was not a compliment in the outside world so neither was I good, nor did I want to do a translator job. and good thing since google translate was getting popular).
Not knowing what I wanted to do made me feel like my schoolmates were taking a step towards adulthood, and I was unable to do so. It's cruel to make kids feel like that.
As a combined ADHD kid i felt like no one cared about me because i was always told "you need to study harder" "i don't even try" or "he is not trying to learn" when i knew i was trying my best to focus and not bounce off the walls
At my school (in Australia) I don’t feel like I’m learning, I already learnt some stuff. It’s good anyways.
I can fully agree! I’m a senior in high school, and I’m autistic with ADHD symptoms. Everything goes in one ear and out the other while I right stuff down to make it look like I’m paying attention when in reality I’m daydreaming like I do 24/7. Also I never study cause I don’t know how. I’m not good at getting school info in my brain. It’s not as easy as getting info from things I hyperfixate on in (FNAF for example). As a result, my grades are less than pleasant, especially in my math class. Oh! And my dream career is to be an animator, but there’s no college in my state (or any public college in the country) with that major. So yeah, I’m stuck in a fucked up system.
I can't remember what grade I was in it was either first second or third grade (cause after that I moved and went to different school) my principal called my parents in and said that I was doing bad in math which my parents knew was wrong because I could count all the way up to 100 watching trains go by at the local boat docks so they had me try to do some math problems with my parents there and I couldn't do it and my mom said we know he can count, we have watched him count train cars go by and my math teacher got the idea to draw some boxcars and started adding or subtracting them and then it all started to click with me and math from there.
I thought you’d mention also the episode where Lisa was bumped up a grade, the big fish in a big pond episode.
I clicked on this thinking you had over 10k or something. W vid and keep up the good work.
I felt the way bart felt when I was in community college
there is a school that let's students decide what they learn and study shows you learn more if you like the subject more
i tought i was average in critical thinking because of the teachers and grades , then i arrived 2nd in "The math games" vs my whole school
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I find it so weird that a 59 is a failing grade in the USA. In Europe (at least in Portugal) it's a 49 or lower. Anything over 50, and you've scraped by with the equivalent of a C-.
When I was young, I struggled. I was great in class (most classes), and then I crashed and burned in my tests because I always answered questions in the wrong way.
And then I applied for business studies, thinking it would involve learning how to use computers and programming (the alternative, btw, was cooking), because I realised how important computers were going to be. The school didn't, because turned out it involved learning how to multiply numbers in Windows Excel. Who the hell uses Windows Excel?
I would have learned more in the goddamn cookery classes.
I thought the most damming part of "Separate Vocations", regarding criticising the school system, is that all of the teachers need their Teacher's Edition books because they don't actually know anything about the subjects they're teaching. How do you get hired as a Math teacher if you don't even know the times tables?
Lisa is the type of person who excels in school because she is a good little puppet and overachiever, but in the real world will falter because she does not want her ideals challenged. Which is why the future episodes has her with Milhouse and why the Lisa College episodes are so pretentiousness and has this formula of Lisa succeeding while Bart is a loser. As if they are saying that Lisa can't stand that Bart is better at something than her.
I have never looked to Simpsons this way before, as a psychological problems that have been shown in a fun show for family, interesting how most of the people don’t really notice those, also impressed with your words like they sound massive, by the way “Somer Himpson” are you a psychologist or you know something about psychology?
With chatgpt this proves its point.
this literally happens in college to
I was told i was stupid when ever my family helped me with homework. And eventually i gave up trying so even now i believe I wouldn't make it. Im not smart enough. But i understand bart since Everytime i actually tried my teachers told me it wasn't enough. My family are naturally smart and pick things up fast....but unfortunately i don't fit that standard.
Bro you deserve more subs
How did I answer what I wanted to be when I grow up, i said what would sound best to adults. If I didn’t I’d be corrected till I did. Think about that the next time you ask a child what they want to be when they grow up.
When I whent to school there methods were simulator to this and there were a few teachers that punished students for the smallest things so eventually I started to not bother paying much care for school and purposely made it so I barely passed exept for in PE and English class English because how I wright was long set in stone PE because I been in a state of self loathing and depression most of my life with games and interesting videos/channels and music ceeping me mostly stable exept the occasional laps in sanity twisting my thoughts into something sadistic and staring to uncontrollably laugh.
seems like the school system's solution to any problem resembles the definition of insanity
I am very lucky to not have a school system like it
That is not actually the entire problem. The fundamental problem is that ALL American public schools are governed by one federal Department of Education in Washington DC, which does not allow private individuals to start their own schools. This federal government monopoly governed by intellectuals who have never dealt with real children is the foundational problem, and it is compounded by the teachers' unions, which disincentivise any efforts to improve the system from within, because the union awards pay raises and promotions according to seniority, not according to results, and will often punish teachers who take their jobs too seriously and encourage parents to expect other teachers to do more.
The solution is very clear. Eradicate the Department of Education and forcibly disband the teachers' unions.
I’m a gifted kid here but I can relate here, in science my teacher teaches stuff slowly for most kids being unable to learn it, same for math but those 2 are my best subjects and I can’t be bothered to listen much other than the main concept and how to solve it
For Chinese I am barely even keeping my head together with people in that class just hating me and the topics too much for me when I try to improve
My math is almost P5 level
Science can be P6 early year (maybe)
Chinese is P1 early year
I’m in P4
Rest average except Art
Art is my passion but I’m a starting horror artist ever since I stopped drawing my favourite characters from shows and games
In art it isn’t much creative other than a playground for “imagination”
Like Art is supposed to be creative not tutorials or pasting paper on paper! That’s just art no one uses but I’m going to list the pros and cons
Pros
Flex
Fun (maybe)
Cons
Messy
Fixed
Non creative
I have never learned one thing from this other than what is abstract art(never using)
i lost my comment- but what i was trying to say is that i never went threw middle school or high school and i was told in 5th grade id be going to counseling for the fact i was a troubled kid there, but i could only tell them "I don't know" cuz i genuinely didn't know why i wouldn't pay attention and why i was so distracted
i am from Belgium, when was 13 i went too a special school that was also a sort of boarding school ? and the school system was measured into 8 cycli per class every year and two months per year you had time too finsh the classes you had problems with;
After every cyclus you got a test, if you passed a test you go too the next cyclus.
In class you sat with people from different grades .. also you got time schedule from every teacher so you could make time for your own lessons, if you, needed help you could speak with the teacher.
every week you had too meet with your titularis teacher too see you did your full hours of school per week and also at what cyclus you were at every class if you were behind in a class you needed too put more hours into that class or wait for the two extra months per year .. (once in October/November or in April/May.)
it was a system made too support kids that are often sick, you could do your school in hospital or on your own.
it also gave more of a mature way of dealing with students .
Also if you didn't end the year with 8 cycli .. you would pass the classes you did and the classes you didn't started where you ended with your cyclus.
testing was done in stages you had the written test and you also had an oral test .. too see if the student understood everything and it also helped with students that had dyslexia.
i did that school only two years.
after that and even before that never did any better than that time in school!
And if you have schools that are trying to be supportive, make sure that someone isn't embezzling the funds to keep them running. (Son went to a charter/magnet school and now granddaughter is attending the same one ... in between, the previous principal and senior secretary embezzled something like 150K out of the budget ... Sigh.)
Good video, you are a goat
Wait wait I have 5 hours of class