What a brilliant analysis by Maestro Kaushiki Chakraborty! She has methodically explained the similarities and differences between the two Indian classical music systems with remarkable clarity. Her nuanced narration comes as no surprise, as only an exponent who has mastered both Hindustani and Carnatic music can speak with such authority. Her Hindustani training came from none other than her illustrious father, Padma Bhushan Ajoy Chakraborty, and his guru, Shri Jnan Prakash Ghosh. In Carnatic music, her mentor was another legendary figure, Vidwan Padma Vibhushan Mangalampalli Balamuralikrishna.
Meanwhile Odissi classical music traditions have most of the oldest ragas and talas still used and it still follows the oldest traditional tunes compositions etc etc it's mainly focused on Sahitya and bhava .. It's major literature is in Odia and Sanskrit it's traditions are beyond 1000 years old hailing from the Buddhist traditions .. Jaganath traditions adds to it as well.. Chhanda Champu Geeta Govinda Pallavi Raganga Bhavanga Natyanga etc etc many parts are there and it's has its own shastras from the raga ragini system.. it's uses the Kurala and Andolita gmaka which isn't used in Hindustani or Carnatic style.. it's distinction is very much available!! It really needs recognition everything is recorded in ancient Palm leaf manuscripts
These types of open discussions are so needed for our country to see ourselves as one people with more things in common with super imposed variations that make it interesting! Thank you Kaushikiji 🙏
Why no one is talking about Odissi classical music traditions.. it's as much as classical as other music traditions and it's very very rich!! Please spread awareness about it
Becos u oriyans have not bothered to take it beyond ur state nd the govt is also responsible. In TN , we claim that everything is tamizh but a few like me know how rich oriyan tradition , history, maritime achievements nd how u took Hinduism to far off countries . I keep posting …. Stay proud , rooted nd spread it as much as u could . 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Why not you do some videos and bring about the change, we all know odissi dance is different and it is very well presented and preserved, do something and try to present it, show the difference, carnatic and hindustani both sound different when they pick one ragam, kalavati, abhogi/bhimpalasa/hidolam/malkauns, do such videos and show how the same ragam sounds in odissi.
@@Athirahindustani It's Odia not Oriyans and yes.. there has been some incompetence with the govts but most of the listeners see Odissi music with a demeanor!! It's also the fault of the National audience who only thinks there are only 2 classical music traditions!! And hindustani and carnatic people always demean odissi music!! So don't blame us for this
Tremendous tragedy that middle class Indian children growing up in the 1960's through 1980's were, by and large, never exposed to this incredible wealth of culture. Instead, we knew more about Bollywood filmi music and Pink Floyd and Jethro Tull.
According to music research experts it was Carnatic music which was existing in the entire Bharathi before. In Bharatha Muni 's Natyashasthra which is the most ancient text we have as of now about performing arts, only Carnatic music is mentioned. The word Carnatic means Ancient. After mughal invasions some fusion with Persian n mughal music happened. People who did not like this dilution came down south and carnatic music became confined to south India. People who accepted that fusion stayed in north India and that developed as Hindustani. That 's how we got these two gems.
@@CharuNeeru first of all there's no carnatic music mentioned in Bharat muni's Natya Shastra.. it's the Pravritti that is mentioned that it Dakhinatya.. just like Odra Magadhi of Odissi music and North Indian Music traditions as well of Avanti and Panchali regions..
She is brilliant. I have to wonder, as an outsider musician myself, do the differences in the styles have anything to do with actual geography and cultural/border influences? We see languages influence each other, as well, for example Urdu in the north being prevalent, Dravidian languages in the south. Therefore I would think the music of each culture would be influenced differently, as well... Hindustani often sounds more "Middle Eastern" or "Persian", in a sense, though thats a loose description...the alap is very mysterious, lots of expressive passages. Carnatic music sounds much more "Indian" and "South Asian" in its expression. It's much more punchy and repetitive in its rhythms, more easily followed melodies, too. I think music is essentially an auditory form of expression, albeit melodic and performative. So thus it is a language, of sorts. We learn the language, and must speak it to stay fluent! I play Irish music, on violin (fiddle), and it's absolutely the same thing in Ireland, as I see in many countries. For example, the north of Ireland is very close to Scotland, there is a history of working Scottish people coming, exchanging music, language and culture... while its not a definitive "thing", musicians in the north tend to play more Scottish or Scottish-inspired compositions, in a slightly faster, aggressive, or "wild" way than the rest of Ireland. The traditional repertoire is played as well, but also is interpreted in a more "wild" fashion; meanwhile, other parts of the country, like the central west coast, play very deliberately, slowly, melodically, and often in very dark, flat keys. If a tune is originally in D minor, they'll play it in C minor, maybe, for effect. More for listening rather than dancing, though dance music exists everywhere... I just make the comparison because it seems language and music go hand-in-hand.
Thankyou ! This is very interesting,seeing/hearing music as a language, after all it’s the most beautiful way we communicate,sometimes the most expressive way,when words fail you ! Am a person of Indian heritage living in the UK , would love to discover Irish folk music. The Irish language is so fascinating the sounds so beautiful.
One stayed with the roots and the other is a fusion or diluted version of the indigenous. Don’t be a pray to believe music being universal, Hindustani reserved title Ustad for Muslim and Pandit for Hindu masters.
In carnatic music the" Sahitya" part one of important part of music and it has some message to people who are listening, but I don't see that in Hindustani music. This my observation, otherwise both are excellent and devotional.
Ya right.. In Carnatic music the essence underlying is Bhakthi and hence every kriti has many charanams describing the deity. In Hindustani the underlying emotion is not necessarily Bhakti and hence no importance to the poetry I think. But emotions are at best there.
Says who? Hindustani music is not just khyal. There are many forms of HCM, of which some are insistent on the importance of lyrics. It's a multi headed hydra. Dominant across the country. With many forms.
The differences in the gamak lend the flavour In hindustani meend is predominant In carnatic kampita is vital The evolution may be due to persian court influence
Carnatic sangeet isn't only the one classical music tradition of India.. there's Odissi classical Music Bor geet Assamese Classical music Manipur Classical music which has their own ragas and tala system and have manuscript from more than 300-400 years old
Just because it's influenced by something else doesn't mean it's impure. Even carnatic music has a lot of western influence. And even carnatic music has Hindustani influence. That's how music evolves. Music is a universal language. It shouldn't be constrained to borders nor should it be construed narrowly like your mind.
@@nihaal4763 Carnatic music has western influence? We did borrow the violin and other instruments but musically there is no influence. Of course there is fusion music but that is not carnatic music.
Carnatic music is nothing but South Indian separatism. 😂 There's Hindustani or Indian classical music and then there are regional semi-autonomous musical traditions.
@@DC-zi6se your analogy is completely wrong!! This separatism isn't of now accordance to the so called south separatist scenario.. these music traditions have been hailing from Natya Shastra period.. Odissi classical music Carnatic Classical Music Manipuri Classical Music Assamese Classical Music etc etc many traditions have been broadly mentioned in Natyashastra in terms of Pravirittis of Music as Avanati Panchali Odra magadhi And Dakhinatya
What a brilliant analysis by Maestro Kaushiki Chakraborty! She has methodically explained the similarities and differences between the two Indian classical music systems with remarkable clarity. Her nuanced narration comes as no surprise, as only an exponent who has mastered both Hindustani and Carnatic music can speak with such authority. Her Hindustani training came from none other than her illustrious father, Padma Bhushan Ajoy Chakraborty, and his guru, Shri Jnan Prakash Ghosh. In Carnatic music, her mentor was another legendary figure, Vidwan Padma Vibhushan Mangalampalli Balamuralikrishna.
Take the oscillating gamak gimmick out of Carnatic and it ain't much different from any other form of Hindustani derived music.
Meanwhile Odissi classical music traditions have most of the oldest ragas and talas still used and it still follows the oldest traditional tunes compositions etc etc it's mainly focused on Sahitya and bhava .. It's major literature is in Odia and Sanskrit it's traditions are beyond 1000 years old hailing from the Buddhist traditions .. Jaganath traditions adds to it as well.. Chhanda Champu Geeta Govinda Pallavi Raganga Bhavanga Natyanga etc etc many parts are there and it's has its own shastras from the raga ragini system.. it's uses the Kurala and Andolita gmaka which isn't used in Hindustani or Carnatic style.. it's distinction is very much available!! It really needs recognition everything is recorded in ancient Palm leaf manuscripts
These types of open discussions are so needed for our country to see ourselves as one people with more things in common with super imposed variations that make it interesting!
Thank you Kaushikiji 🙏
comments like these are needed as well!! very articulately put!!
I love how she is not drawing judgements about other style of music but open to experience… great attitude…
Why no one is talking about Odissi classical music traditions.. it's as much as classical as other music traditions and it's very very rich!! Please spread awareness about it
Becos u oriyans have not bothered to take it beyond ur state nd the govt is also responsible.
In TN , we claim that everything is tamizh but a few like me know how rich oriyan tradition , history, maritime achievements nd how u took Hinduism to far off countries .
I keep posting ….
Stay proud , rooted nd spread it as much as u could . 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Is there any more of vocal music under Odissi classical music tradition which stands apart from the other two counter parts? Would love to discover.
Why not you do some videos and bring about the change, we all know odissi dance is different and it is very well presented and preserved, do something and try to present it, show the difference, carnatic and hindustani both sound different when they pick one ragam, kalavati, abhogi/bhimpalasa/hidolam/malkauns, do such videos and show how the same ragam sounds in odissi.
The attempt to popularise has started recently...So it will definitely take time to reach the levels of popularity that Hindustani and Carnatic enjoy
@@Athirahindustani It's Odia not Oriyans and yes.. there has been some incompetence with the govts but most of the listeners see Odissi music with a demeanor!! It's also the fault of the National audience who only thinks there are only 2 classical music traditions!! And hindustani and carnatic people always demean odissi music!! So don't blame us for this
Tremendous tragedy that middle class Indian children growing up in the 1960's through 1980's were, by and large, never exposed to this incredible wealth of culture. Instead, we knew more about Bollywood filmi music and Pink Floyd and Jethro Tull.
According to music research experts it was Carnatic music which was existing in the entire Bharathi before. In Bharatha Muni 's Natyashasthra which is the most ancient text we have as of now about performing arts, only Carnatic music is mentioned. The word Carnatic means Ancient. After mughal invasions some fusion with Persian n mughal music happened. People who did not like this dilution came down south and carnatic music became confined to south India. People who accepted that fusion stayed in north India and that developed as Hindustani. That 's how we got these two gems.
100% but to the best of my knowledge Carnatic actually means "Pleasing to Ears (कर्ण )"
@@CharuNeeru first of all there's no carnatic music mentioned in Bharat muni's Natya Shastra.. it's the Pravritti that is mentioned that it Dakhinatya.. just like Odra Magadhi of Odissi music and North Indian Music traditions as well of Avanti and Panchali regions..
She is brilliant. I have to wonder, as an outsider musician myself, do the differences in the styles have anything to do with actual geography and cultural/border influences? We see languages influence each other, as well, for example Urdu in the north being prevalent, Dravidian languages in the south. Therefore I would think the music of each culture would be influenced differently, as well... Hindustani often sounds more "Middle Eastern" or "Persian", in a sense, though thats a loose description...the alap is very mysterious, lots of expressive passages. Carnatic music sounds much more "Indian" and "South Asian" in its expression. It's much more punchy and repetitive in its rhythms, more easily followed melodies, too. I think music is essentially an auditory form of expression, albeit melodic and performative. So thus it is a language, of sorts. We learn the language, and must speak it to stay fluent!
I play Irish music, on violin (fiddle), and it's absolutely the same thing in Ireland, as I see in many countries. For example, the north of Ireland is very close to Scotland, there is a history of working Scottish people coming, exchanging music, language and culture... while its not a definitive "thing", musicians in the north tend to play more Scottish or Scottish-inspired compositions, in a slightly faster, aggressive, or "wild" way than the rest of Ireland. The traditional repertoire is played as well, but also is interpreted in a more "wild" fashion; meanwhile, other parts of the country, like the central west coast, play very deliberately, slowly, melodically, and often in very dark, flat keys. If a tune is originally in D minor, they'll play it in C minor, maybe, for effect. More for listening rather than dancing, though dance music exists everywhere... I just make the comparison because it seems language and music go hand-in-hand.
Thankyou ! This is very interesting,seeing/hearing music as a language, after all it’s the most beautiful way we communicate,sometimes the most expressive way,when words fail you ! Am a person of Indian heritage living in the UK , would love to discover Irish folk music. The Irish language is so fascinating the sounds so beautiful.
Kaushiki ji is brilliant 😍
Pride of our country 🙏🏻
One stayed with the roots and the other is a fusion or diluted version of the indigenous. Don’t be a pray to believe music being universal, Hindustani reserved title Ustad for Muslim and Pandit for Hindu masters.
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Being a student of Carnatic, i love both 🙏
Great analysis!
What a brilliant analysis!!
had no idea there will be somone who would do such pods, absolutely brilliant and thank you.
In carnatic music the" Sahitya" part one of important part of music and it has some message to people who are listening, but I don't see that in Hindustani music. This my observation, otherwise both are excellent and devotional.
Ya right.. In Carnatic music the essence underlying is Bhakthi and hence every kriti has many charanams describing the deity. In Hindustani the underlying emotion is not necessarily Bhakti and hence no importance to the poetry I think. But emotions are at best there.
Says who? Hindustani music is not just khyal. There are many forms of HCM, of which some are insistent on the importance of lyrics.
It's a multi headed hydra. Dominant across the country.
With many forms.
There is peace in her voice😊❤️✨️
The differences in the gamak lend the flavour In hindustani meend is predominant In carnatic kampita is vital The evolution may be due to persian court influence
Wonderful.
Hindustani shows more Islamic influence whereas Carnatic more rooted in Sanatana Dharma
How is India a "small" country 😂?
I understand she's trying to emphasize the diversity of the country but c'mon India ain't a small country.
Well pretty smaller than many countries . It's not a big country for sure. But in terms of diversity it's humongous.
@@serendipity1044 "Many countries"? Ok, how many? seems like someone skipped geography classes 🤣
Kauzhiki is looking more n more like aruna jayaram 😅
Matra is ahead karnataki ,lessen hidustani
No, not many carnatic musicians attempt Grahabhedam. Its not a regular thing. Very few do it.
Gaan to holo na
Kotha holo
Hindustani is very much influenced by Persian Arabic music and is a bastardised version of Desi music Carnatic Sangeetam.
Wow "bastardised"....!!!
Go away 😂
Carnatic sangeet isn't only the one classical music tradition of India.. there's Odissi classical Music Bor geet Assamese Classical music Manipur Classical music which has their own ragas and tala system and have manuscript from more than 300-400 years old
Just because it's influenced by something else doesn't mean it's impure. Even carnatic music has a lot of western influence. And even carnatic music has Hindustani influence. That's how music evolves. Music is a universal language. It shouldn't be constrained to borders nor should it be construed narrowly like your mind.
@@nihaal4763 Carnatic music has western influence? We did borrow the violin and other instruments but musically there is no influence. Of course there is fusion music but that is not carnatic music.
Bengali Mam you stick to Robindra Shongeet You are not qualified to comment much less give judgement on either Carnatic or Hindustani music
hmm I was watching where are negative comments and here it is. Is it your best comment.
She is basically acclaimed hindustani artist with a good lineage .she is not a Bengali singer
She did not pass any judgements. She is open to learning both systems.
Wow I guess hate for Bengalies has been normalised in every part of India. Can u elaborate why are we having such privilege of hate.
🤣🤣🤣
Carnatic music is nothing but South Indian separatism. 😂
There's Hindustani or Indian classical music and then there are regional semi-autonomous musical traditions.
@@DC-zi6se your analogy is completely wrong!! This separatism isn't of now accordance to the so called south separatist scenario.. these music traditions have been hailing from Natya Shastra period.. Odissi classical music Carnatic Classical Music Manipuri Classical Music Assamese Classical Music etc etc many traditions have been broadly mentioned in Natyashastra in terms of Pravirittis of Music as Avanati Panchali Odra magadhi And Dakhinatya