This helps solve the final plot hole of Egghead, in my opinion, "Why did Vegapunk have to die?" The answer: so that the world government would think he was dead. Vegapunk planned this. Vegapunk, the world smartest man, planned EVERYTHING. This also helps Egghead be even more of a reverse of Sabaody. In Sabaody the Strawhats lost completely, but in Egghead they won completely. They got Vegapunk off the island. They beat Rob Lucci and CP0 and Kizaru. They survived a 100× bustercall and decimated Vice Admirals. They best back the Gorosei and WON. So now they get their rewards. They earned it.
Uh, not sure about that. It's an half-win as OG Vegapunk is still dead. Also for now it's early to say if Vegapunk planned it or was just luck that they managed to get this last clone with them.
@@soul6733 "It's an half-win as OG Vegapunk is still dead" Brother, they're saying that OG Vegapunk "dying" is the whole plan. That's not a loss, that's what Vegapunk wanted.
@@soul6733 only his original (body) died, his brain is still alive inside the labophase. you could say this is just a replacement body but his being is still very much alive
You got to remember the Straw hats arriving wasn't expecting and how would the clone of escaped without the straw hats. If he was planning on this the whole time he should've been trying to swap the clone in as a decoy for himself or get it out before even the Government even got there.
Hi Tekking, I'm a long time viewer of your videos, and I watch the reverie usually only for you. I was really happy to hear that today's tree was the jackfruit tree. I'm from the state of Kerala in southern India. Jackfruit is our state fruit (though not the state tree, that's coconut). The fruit is called "Chakka" and the tree is called "Plav" in our language. I have a lot of varieties of jackfruit at my home. They can be grown in different varieties with different specialties. In some, the fleshy part you eat can extremely sweet but also really soft and mushy, while in another variety it might be more solid with less sweetness, but it can be used in more dishes since it's not as mushy. There are also a lot of new variants being developed which can grow faster, or have the fruits faster, or with different levels of sweetness, or with less of the sticky sap and so on. And you're right that it can be used in a lot of ways. You can make all kinds of food with the jackfruit. I have made a lot of sweet dishes including jackfruit ice creams. They are absolutely lovely. Raw jackfruit is even more versatile. Yeah, you can use it as a meat substitute, but you would be surprised by all the other things that can be made with it. My favorite one is called "Chakka vevichath", which is basically mashed jackfruit. You just dice the raw jackfruit flesh, boil it with some water and curry leaves until it looks like any mashed food, add some ground spices (turmeric, green chilli, cumin, salt all ground together into a wet paste), mix it all together with a spoonful of coconut oil, mix and mash some more, and have it with any kind of chutney or fish curry. It tastes absolutely divine. If you're ever in India, hopefully I can get you all of these various dishes. You'll love it. About the sticky sap, I guess since our people have lived around jackfruit for so long, evolution has made us immune to any allergies to that, cos I've never heard of anything like that here. We rarely use gloves, but yeah just a few drops of oil is enough to get rid of all the sap, and then you can wash all of it off with soap. Fun fact, goats love jackfruit leaves. Just goats somehow, not cows or anything else afaik. I may be wrong, and maybe cows eat it too, but I've seen people feed it mostly to just goats. And I'll just add what every child here says in their school lives some time. If Newton were born here, we wouldn't have had to learn about gravity, cos it would've been a jackfruit instead of an apple that fell on his head, and that would've been the end of his story. Thanks for listening to my Ted Talk. Happy New Year
Oda really has to think about the technicals of a lot of stuffs. I see why he has so much skecthbooks, concept art books and notes in his home, 26 years worth of notes. Hope he releases a collection of them after the end of the series.
Kuma's memories and essentially soul got pushed out of his body before he got fried... We literally see it being contained at the lab... We also know that the ethereal thing like pain that get ejected from the body eventually come back we saw that on the flashbacks... Kuma had to "spend" the pain of the villagers in order to keep it from coming back ... Same thing with the memories... When that container is turned off the memories will come back to Kuma... eVENTUALLy
With regards to Durians, which was mentioned during the Jack Tree tree facts for anyone reading this before watching, I’ve learned recently that it doesn’t smell as bad as people think. . . . When fresh. It rots *really* soon after ripening, so unless you’re there in a nation where they’re grown most people who think they have a ripe durian fruit actually have an overripe or straight up rotten fruit.
When Lilith was comforting Luffy on the Great Erik, we didn't actually hear what she said that cheered him up. I posit that is when she told him about the perfect clone, which Oda wanted to keep secret until now.
I paused the video at 11:49 to type this up before I forget to, but I was under the impression that Vegapunk made a clone of himself to keep things running where ever he was stationed at the time while he himself visited O'Hara to log all the info so the W.G wouldn't find anything "amiss" or maybe my reading comprehension is off lol
22:46 this is exactly the premise of Data’s hesitance to undergo radical experimentation during the Star Trek The Next Generation episode, The Measure of a Man. Data was ordered to undergo an exploratory process that would necessitate downloading his memories into a server and then reuploading them after engineers had thoroughly figured out how to recreate his complicated neural processes. Instead of complying, he resigned his commission. Data was concerned that while his recollection of events may be preserved, the “flavor of the memory” would be lost. The meaning. He was concerned his cherished memories would merely become information. Data was then told he was property, not a person and could not resign. The whole episode became a trial to decide if Data was a man or machine. I wonder if Oda’s a Trek fan too?
@ why? Star Trek’s been around a long time. Even in Japan. I’m not claiming Oda got his idea for Kuma from Trek. I was just wondering if he also liked a franchise I like.
I just reread the chapter and Lillith just said "I used it to visit this island 20 years ago". Couldn't that technically also be interpreted as "I used it [as a decoy on egghead] so the original Vegapunk could visit Elbaph"?
Theoretically, S-Bear could paw out all of Bonney's memories since she did absorb Kuma's memories. So both Kuma and Bonney would both have each others full memories
What I'm imagining is that the clone in the tank is kinda like a caterpillar in a cocoon: a gooey soup of genetic material that can reform when needed. Also: I've been thinking about the remaining four satellites: They united into a single being, but this time, *without* Greed and Violence. I feel like Oda seeded that into the story as yet another way to explore what a personality is.
seeing as how this manga covers periods of time like a few months in the course of several real-world decades, it is possible that Lillith is not even able to get a proper lab built by the time the story ends. I don't know if I think Oda's gonna do it that way though.
I am SO convinced that the clone will have some weird technology thing that lets it expand/inflate its head to the size of Vegapunks (from 20 years ago) without actually needing to be that large. Both as a gag because itd be funny to watch him do it. And also because i kinda thing the clone doesnt have his fruit power and had a different want to copy all of the books info
16:26 To be fair, she did say "Everyone is alive" in 1124, which at the time I assume most people took it to just meant the satellites, but she was probably including Stella in that as well.
Lilith maybe refrained to mention the clone until she was sure she could restore it, and after confirming the environment on Elbaph was the same as on Egghead she felt more confident to reveal the cards she was holding... Also, I can't remember what chapter but I'm pretty sure I recall either Jinbei or Franky mentioning to one of the Vegapunks that they were done loading crates at one point in Egghead, so I bet the clone was foreshadowed there
I've always had a issue with Oda not keeping characters dead. The Kinemon situation is the perfect example. Already on the brink of death & then had his head bashed with advanced conquerors.
The fact that Kinemon survived because “Kaido stabbed me where Law seperated me and i wasn’t put together properly” while Ashura Doji and Izo died is still one of the lowest points of the story for me
Another time a character should have died was Garp. Throughout the story, Garp's philosophy has always been "The potential of the new generation is the future." Then when the time came, Garp sacrificed himself to save Koby. Which was a reference to his story about leaving the old man behind and saving yourself and the baby. Edit: It also seems like Oda is just killing off side characters but bullshitting plot armour for main characters. I can understand Vegapunk though, he still needs to explain devil fruits.
Garp can work if he's on deaths door and fully dies.@@earthisadonut7213 Vegapunk would be fine imo if there weren't 30 pounds, Pell's, and kinemons in the story.
Jackfruit is nice, tastes like pineapple a bit. Big seed inside every pouch. Parts of any cut piece are mild, then there are small pockets of extra sweet stuff.
@@frankehfightaz that's not true. I feel like tekking jumped onto the unofficial releases within the last year or so. Before that he was always on the official timeline
I only wonder if the vegapunk clone will look old like the current vp was, or if he'll look younger like he did in the ohara flashback because im assuming they probably put the clone on ice or something to preserve it when it wasn't needed.
The first Stella we met was a drone, Vegapunk lobotomized himself after Ohara, he added decades to his natural life by placing himself in stasis (maybe the original Stella drone had a larger antenna or he said he had given himself a haircut before he actually did) that's the only way for there to only be one brain
16:26- At this point, Saturn is probably rolling in his grave that only did Vegapunk have a backup clone but Kuma is going to be revived. His only hopes is that if his questionable claims of being a scientist is plausible likely is going to have a backup clone of himself but it doesn't seem likely
So i can understand why people wouldnt be happy about Kuma coming, but for me i always kinda thought it was gonna happen. Like one theory i had around the midpoint of egghead was that S-Bear was gonna be used as Kumas new body and Kumas memories was just going to be pushed into it by Vegapunk giving it an order or activating something he put in S-Bear specifically because i thought that was the whole point of the memories being pushed out his body, and one of the reasons he Vegapunk didnt want Bonney to touch it. Also i remember there being quite a bit of panels focused on S-Bear which kinda felt like they were leading to something with S-Bear although nothing happened.
Are we sure we know when he went to Elbaf??? I feel like we're assuming he went there immediately after Ohara, but he could've went there much later too, right??? Like, he could've went to Ohara soon after it happened but waited a decade before going to Elbaf to actually read the books, right???
I've mentioned this in comments in the past. Kuma can be repaired, as far as his mind goes Oda setup the fix already. Bonny has his memories and can order him to push the memories out of her and absorb them into himself. I don't understand why this is hard, no one else seems to notice this.
13:05 tekking i feel like everyone is thinking he’s standing up in the box so he can’t fit but it could just be that he’s sitting with his knees scrunched up to his chest and that’s why the box is that size because it fits him sitting down
I'd say it's important to mention that clones in OP are their own individuals - even a perfect copy isn't just going to continue on from where their dead predecessor left off (see the difference between the Stucies, and Vegapunk's declaration that the Stucy clone is "her own person"). So the 'perfect copy' still isn't the now-dead Stella-Vegapunk. It is essentially just a 'younger' twin, and mentioning him earlier wouldn't have added to Lilith's earlier point of "don't worry Luffy, you technically did save Vegapunk!". As for Kuma, Oda does make a point of making dreams reality, and what better dream to fulfill than that of reviving a long-suffering father and reuniting him with his long-suffering daughter in a better, safer world. (I admit I'd rather see Kuma stay dead, or rather be put down by Bonnie so she can finally move on, but I wouldn't mind seeing a compromise of Kuma being revived with a more extreme Might Guy treatment of losing his powers & losing the ability to walk in exchange for getting back his ability to think & speak, allowing him at least a few proper years of adventuring with his daughter).
While this and the notion of possibly recovering Kuma are controversial, it IS worth noting that there’s the potential of it going wrong for Lilith or at least causing conflict down the line. People are already treating it like their sacrifices have been cheapened. 🤷♂️
@ True. My main point is that people are talking about fake out deaths cheapening the impact but a good remedy is having the efforts to recover these characters have unforeseen consequences, almost like an equivalent exchange.
On the memory bubble part, the paw paw fruit is still available and usable in S-bear. He's sentient enough to be able to follow an order like "remove all the memories of Bartholamew Kuma".
Lessening the impact of his death or not, it makes much more senses Vegapunk having a clone than the smartest character in the world dying with successful cloning technology.
The bare minimum for Kuma is, to getting his stored personality and memories back and life the rest of his life with his daughter in peace. It doesn’t matter if with his original body, or the seraphim body, but that what he truly deserves
28:39 I use to have it the backyard, if you hàve THE FIRST FRUIT you have to decided if you want to eat it as fruit or you want to cook it as a vegetable Cause Once you cooked it as vegetable, you can't eatvit as a fruit anymore TMI : I Never eat it as fruit, but as vegetable(soup) it's one of My Favourite Food
13:23 not necessarily; the second brain might act as a "backup server" of the main one, inside of Punk Records; Not necessarily need to be somewhere else
One really important thing to consider is that it’s heavily implied that devil fruits are a form of technology if that is true then the fact that there are 2 devil fruits that can directly affect souls (big mom and Brook) that means that interaction with the soul through science is indeed possible for all things kuma
26:36 add jackfruit is so good. It’s like a fruit punch the flavor with the kid on the front and the pool toy came to life and existed in a fruit. It’s so amazing. I implore you to try a fresh one. It’s pretty pricey, but get a good one look up the signs for ripeness and have a open mind and eata lot of it and you’ll see what I mean.
I have had jackfruit as a fish substitute in a canteen dish at work, it wasn't fish, but it aws consistency wise acceptable and it didn't taste bad either and that comes from someone with a fishing liscense in Germany.
Normally I always think people that do charities just pocket the money, but I can tell what kind of person you are and I know you wouldn't. Thanks for what you do.
My guess is when VP cloned himself he realized that the clone and him had shared experiences. This lead him to come up with the concept of the Satellites. Then he agreed with his clone to perform the surgeries then Ice the Clone as a contingency for studying the void century.
I truly honestly believed when we found out that kuma had all of his memories pushed out, that we were actually going to push them into the new clone CP zero said was not working properly. I thought it was such a huge obvious ploy, with his original body being ruined, being able to get a brand new body that is so much stronger to allow him to return to the revolutionary army with his daughter.
For the thing for the york knowing if the clone of vegapunk was a thing could easily be described by just saying if the stella and all the other satellites were killed, no one like lillith is now would be able to actually do everything they need to "revive" stella, bc lillith said there is things that she needs to do for him to come back.
I used to eat jackfruits a lot as a kid, it tastes awesome. In india there is a dish which uses the seeds of the jackfruit as well. You cook it in a pressure cooker and add some spices to make a nice side dish.
If I was to guess I would say that the clone held onto the knowledge of Ohara until Kuma was asked to push all his memories out so the Stella could instantly absorb all the knowledge. Also I feel that Lilith saying she is going to revive Vegapunk and Kuma is Oda's way of writing all involved characters out of the story post Elbaph arc as I doubt she can build a lab with sufficient technological requirements until the epilogue of the story.
The meat that encases the fruit part inside jackfruit is cooked in various ways, one of it in like a curry-like veggie soup in indonesia. I often eat it bcs it's that kind of daily food that's sold everywhere. Just TMI
I have an interesting theory what if Bonnie imagines herself to have the PawPaw fruit and she makes a bubble of what she’s experienced seeing Kuma’s memories. Plus, she can also make another bubble of Kuma’s memories. Somehow intertwine those together to restore Kuma. We have to remember that at the time we didn’t know the extent of Bonnie’s double fruit.
I had a jackfruit tree in my backyard when I was a kid and god damn I loved that fruit! loved to collect the seeds as well since they were so big. The "glue" is indeed annoying as fuck, I remember that being the only thing that bothered me when eating it as I didn't have gloves to use nor would waste oil since we were very poor. In University there was a guy that sold homemade a deep fried food we call "coxinha" in Brazil and instead of using chicken meat, he used jackfruit "meat" and bro, it tasted AND the texture was the same as chicken, it was genuinely unbelievable the first time I ate it. This fruit is magical I miss being able to eat it so frequently.
Who knows. maybe the knowledge of Vegapunk (from Elbaph 20 years ago) had it's brain lopped off, then then put in cryostasis. In the meantime Vegapunk could make a copy to his own brain (on egghead), and that second brain is in punk record as well somewhere (maybe also somewhere in a box in cryostasis) to use as a back up, if the first one would had gotten destroyed by the Gorosei during the battle on Egghead. Who knows Vegapunk just had to press a button and the second brain would rise up from the floor, hook that brain on the internet cable and you'd hear a voice *"Back up brain, online."* But it does look like a thing that's added last minute .
I do not remember which chapter it was but there was a moment where jinbei asked lillith(?) Or the Stella if they needed help getting their "luggage" may be our first and only hint at the Stella capsule clone
Thoughts. 1. It's possible that York left the "Ohara on Elbaf" clone alone because the full details of the containment setup made it hard for anyone other than a Vegapunk to access. 2. My guess for why Lillith wouldn't talk about the clone aboard the Great Eric is that she wanted to wait for both reaching the safety of Elbaf and a chance to look for and remove anything and anyone who might eavesdrop and relay the secret to the World Government. 3. Narrative debate about the tragedy of Kuma aside, I can think of no in universe reason why Lillith, Bonney, and their allies wouldn't try to restore Kuma as much as possible. Or at least study him to get a better idea about how recent events and research at Egghead affected him and the chances of saving him.
18:20 Have you considered Baymaxed Kuma with limited, residual feelings towards Bonney? As if "I've salvaged whatever I could, it's not exactly your father, but it's as close as current science could manage"
I think the best that can happen for both the clone vegapunk and Kuma would be respectively a version of the doctor 20 years out of time being brought to the future having to deal with his future self’s death and everything he brought forth and an android 16 situation as the px-0 is brought as close to working order as Lilith can bring him and is given a sort of consciousness that is empowered by the experiences and memories of Bonnie’s dad.
By all right putting Kuma back to normal seems broadcast to be pretty likely. Bonney's either got his memories in her head, or they are now wandering the ether in search of Kuma in order to return to him. Multiple Vegapunks exist. The only hard part is if his soul is still in his body or not. As that could complicate Kuma's restoration. *AND* You'll then get the mind-soul philosphy questions... plus maybe a bit of the Ship of Theseus. Example 1: You die and are sitting in the afterlife. But someone comes along and revives your corpse. From the perspective of the living, you came back to life perfectly fine. But the original you is still in the afterlife. Example 2: More inline with Theseus. Someone made a copy of your memories and had perfected body cloning. You die suddenly from some accident. And then someone puts a copy of your memories into your body, Second You. Some time later, the Second You gets into a worse accident and gets their mind uploaded into a clone body. Some time later, Second You dies and someone makes a clone body and uploads Your/Second You's memories into the new body. Creating Third You.
I’m an apologist for Oda’s Fake Out Deaths (if a certain Green Haired Harpy was revealed to be alive, I’d be ecstatic)…But I don’t want the Stella Vegapunk & Kuma to come back to life. Vegapunk already has 6 other selves to carry on his will. Another is too much for me
Am I wrong in hoping this is a failed clone. Not like horribly disfigured but "Betapunk" being like an inch shorter or with different colored hair and going through an existential crisis.
Jack fruit is awesome...Jamaicans love it and u can cook the seeds as well. And the smell might hit u at first but the taste is totally different in a good way
I mean it's safe to assume that punk records is pretty old. Considering it has the punk name, it was definitely started before Punk Hazard was destroyed. So it could be 20+ years old. And Stella 2 could have undergone the operation when Stella 1 did. Then put back into stasis. Also nothing says that the clone wasn't kept on elbaf. Stella 2 could have been stored for some time safely at elbaf.
If you can get kuma to use his fruit to extract all kuma memories from bonnies. You could restore kuma at the cost of his relationship with his daughter
With Kuma, I think he will be a person again, but maybe he will be a blank slate with no memories. And I think it'll be in the background, so we won't see them so much. It doesn't really bother me. Also, Kuma and Bonney have endured so much pain that knowing they nebulously got a happy ending is enough for me.
Jay is the concept of "overreacting" made flesh, so let's NOT follow in his footsteps. This clone is a different character stuck 20 years in the past, so Vegapunk's death is not lightened.
Actually misrepresenting what Jay said. This is the type of shit I hate on the Internet. Just confidently spouting lies. Jay had a problem with Kuma and Oda's milking things for emotional effects and backtracking. You have no idea what people were even mad about
Well when vegapunk and a couple other punks were investigating in secrecy prior to events of egghead they discovered one of the Punks were responsible, did not know who but had suspicions. I wonder if it was then vegapunk clone was being made and they kept that a secret also. Maybe that’s how York does not know
There was no second head, Vega punk cut off his head and placed it on the clone, then when the clone returned he removed the head and made punk records so he could access the info
I expected Vegapunk & Kuma to return to normal, all the cloning info we got on Egghead made me sure that Stella would return. But I did expect Kumas consciousness to be put in S-Bear, but I always felt he would return to "normal ". Side note I think Shanks and his "Twin" might be clones of Garling.
Tekking something you are forgetting in chapter 1104 Saturn says he triggered the self destruct days ago when the Revolutionaries got ahold of him. Yet there's Kuma is obviously not exploded because that's not what the Stella rigged , he made it so if triggered his body would be rendered inoperable. And yet he moves and not only that he used haki to punch Saturn in the face! It takes will to use Haki meaning he isn't brain dead either. You were right when you said "beyond science", that's exactly the reason Stella gave for Kuma being able to do that, presuming it has something to do with him being a Buccaneer.
I just assumed that the 8th Vegapunk synched his brain with the Punk Records and doesn't actually have a fruit power of his own. For Kuma, I see them making a Kuma clone, then Bonney orders Kuma to use the Paw Paw fruit to push his own personality, memories, and "soul" into the clone. Then his original body can die and the paw fruit can return to circulation.
I could see a way that the Kuma issue could work out without undermining his sacrifice. What if Lilith were to rebuild him, create an artificial personality, and either upload his memories or recreate them into this body. You'd essentially have a copy of Kuma. I could Bonnie being excited and happy, spending an entire day playing together with him. At the end of the day, she'd go back to Lilith and explain that she's accepted that her dad is gone and will never come back, thank her for lettinf her have one last day together with him, and then ask for him to finally be allowed to rest. It'd be a way to give Bonnie closure, allow her to say goodbye to him, give us a super heartwrenching scene that Oda loves so much, allow his Fruit to be reincarnated, and imo would be a nice end to his story. Also, in regards to the theme of life and memory, you should check out the animator Don Hertzfeldt. He did the weird Simpsons couch gag "I Will Never Forget You." He has a bunch of animations about memory and eternal life that are really good and existential. There's also a youtube video covering his work and explaining the darkness of the Couch Gag.
As for the Vegapunk clone I don’t think that it also had a big brain 🧠 instead inside of the large head was maybe a prototype version of his apple antenna that allowed him to control it at a distance while his original body is being watched by the World Government, but this lead to him making Punk Records & the Satellites
"Sir, an eighth Vegapunk has hit the Manga"
Genuinely as long as its supposed to be stella and not a sexy young girl im ok lol
Wouldn't be surprised if this is actually the ninth....
@@battlericky17 Whats that sexy female Stella?
"Do I hear nine?" - Vegeta
Wouldn't the hybrid vegapunk be the 8th one? The one made up from the 4 satellites that were destroyed
This helps solve the final plot hole of Egghead, in my opinion, "Why did Vegapunk have to die?" The answer: so that the world government would think he was dead. Vegapunk planned this. Vegapunk, the world smartest man, planned EVERYTHING. This also helps Egghead be even more of a reverse of Sabaody. In Sabaody the Strawhats lost completely, but in Egghead they won completely. They got Vegapunk off the island. They beat Rob Lucci and CP0 and Kizaru. They survived a 100× bustercall and decimated Vice Admirals. They best back the Gorosei and WON. So now they get their rewards. They earned it.
Uh, not sure about that. It's an half-win as OG Vegapunk is still dead. Also for now it's early to say if Vegapunk planned it or was just luck that they managed to get this last clone with them.
@@soul6733 "It's an half-win as OG Vegapunk is still dead" Brother, they're saying that OG Vegapunk "dying" is the whole plan. That's not a loss, that's what Vegapunk wanted.
@decomposedcorpse5186 Vegapunk hoped to get away and if it failed, he's have the announcement ready anyway.
@@soul6733 only his original (body) died, his brain is still alive inside the labophase. you could say this is just a replacement body but his being is still very much alive
You got to remember the Straw hats arriving wasn't expecting and how would the clone of escaped without the straw hats. If he was planning on this the whole time he should've been trying to swap the clone in as a decoy for himself or get it out before even the Government even got there.
Hi Tekking,
I'm a long time viewer of your videos, and I watch the reverie usually only for you. I was really happy to hear that today's tree was the jackfruit tree. I'm from the state of Kerala in southern India. Jackfruit is our state fruit (though not the state tree, that's coconut). The fruit is called "Chakka" and the tree is called "Plav" in our language.
I have a lot of varieties of jackfruit at my home. They can be grown in different varieties with different specialties. In some, the fleshy part you eat can extremely sweet but also really soft and mushy, while in another variety it might be more solid with less sweetness, but it can be used in more dishes since it's not as mushy. There are also a lot of new variants being developed which can grow faster, or have the fruits faster, or with different levels of sweetness, or with less of the sticky sap and so on.
And you're right that it can be used in a lot of ways. You can make all kinds of food with the jackfruit. I have made a lot of sweet dishes including jackfruit ice creams. They are absolutely lovely. Raw jackfruit is even more versatile. Yeah, you can use it as a meat substitute, but you would be surprised by all the other things that can be made with it. My favorite one is called "Chakka vevichath", which is basically mashed jackfruit. You just dice the raw jackfruit flesh, boil it with some water and curry leaves until it looks like any mashed food, add some ground spices (turmeric, green chilli, cumin, salt all ground together into a wet paste), mix it all together with a spoonful of coconut oil, mix and mash some more, and have it with any kind of chutney or fish curry. It tastes absolutely divine. If you're ever in India, hopefully I can get you all of these various dishes. You'll love it.
About the sticky sap, I guess since our people have lived around jackfruit for so long, evolution has made us immune to any allergies to that, cos I've never heard of anything like that here. We rarely use gloves, but yeah just a few drops of oil is enough to get rid of all the sap, and then you can wash all of it off with soap.
Fun fact, goats love jackfruit leaves. Just goats somehow, not cows or anything else afaik. I may be wrong, and maybe cows eat it too, but I've seen people feed it mostly to just goats.
And I'll just add what every child here says in their school lives some time. If Newton were born here, we wouldn't have had to learn about gravity, cos it would've been a jackfruit instead of an apple that fell on his head, and that would've been the end of his story.
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LOL! Now I'm imagining Vegapunk with a jackfruit antenna instead of an apple... and the fruit gets bigger abd bigger, just like his head did/does.
It would be funny to see the world government is confused on why Vegapunk's brain brain fruit hasn't been reincarnated yet.
They wouldn't be confused, punk records IS vegapunks brain, so as long as punk records lives the fruit stays there.
The intros to these videos really be my favorite part😭😭
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Oda really has to think about the technicals of a lot of stuffs. I see why he has so much skecthbooks, concept art books and notes in his home, 26 years worth of notes. Hope he releases a collection of them after the end of the series.
Kuma's memories and essentially soul got pushed out of his body before he got fried... We literally see it being contained at the lab... We also know that the ethereal thing like pain that get ejected from the body eventually come back we saw that on the flashbacks... Kuma had to "spend" the pain of the villagers in order to keep it from coming back ... Same thing with the memories... When that container is turned off the memories will come back to Kuma... eVENTUALLy
That's what I thought
Yay law of conservation of energy @@flourishd1
With regards to Durians, which was mentioned during the Jack Tree tree facts for anyone reading this before watching, I’ve learned recently that it doesn’t smell as bad as people think.
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When fresh.
It rots *really* soon after ripening, so unless you’re there in a nation where they’re grown most people who think they have a ripe durian fruit actually have an overripe or straight up rotten fruit.
When Lilith was comforting Luffy on the Great Erik, we didn't actually hear what she said that cheered him up. I posit that is when she told him about the perfect clone, which Oda wanted to keep secret until now.
I paused the video at 11:49 to type this up before I forget to, but I was under the impression that Vegapunk made a clone of himself to keep things running where ever he was stationed at the time while he himself visited O'Hara to log all the info so the W.G wouldn't find anything "amiss" or maybe my reading comprehension is off lol
That’s what I was thinking too
Well Bonney holds all of Kumas memories so honestly all he has to do is extract it and upload it to himself.
He would probably still be a mindless robot though
22:46 this is exactly the premise of Data’s hesitance to undergo radical experimentation during the Star Trek The Next Generation episode, The Measure of a Man.
Data was ordered to undergo an exploratory process that would necessitate downloading his memories into a server and then reuploading them after engineers had thoroughly figured out how to recreate his complicated neural processes.
Instead of complying, he resigned his commission. Data was concerned that while his recollection of events may be preserved, the “flavor of the memory” would be lost. The meaning.
He was concerned his cherished memories would merely become information. Data was then told he was property, not a person and could not resign.
The whole episode became a trial to decide if Data was a man or machine.
I wonder if Oda’s a Trek fan too?
I doubt it.
@ why? Star Trek’s been around a long time. Even in Japan. I’m not claiming Oda got his idea for Kuma from Trek. I was just wondering if he also liked a franchise I like.
I just reread the chapter and Lillith just said "I used it to visit this island 20 years ago". Couldn't that technically also be interpreted as "I used it [as a decoy on egghead] so the original Vegapunk could visit Elbaph"?
Theoretically, S-Bear could paw out all of Bonney's memories since she did absorb Kuma's memories. So both Kuma and Bonney would both have each others full memories
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What I'm imagining is that the clone in the tank is kinda like a caterpillar in a cocoon: a gooey soup of genetic material that can reform when needed. Also: I've been thinking about the remaining four satellites: They united into a single being, but this time, *without* Greed and Violence. I feel like Oda seeded that into the story as yet another way to explore what a personality is.
seeing as how this manga covers periods of time like a few months in the course of several real-world decades, it is possible that Lillith is not even able to get a proper lab built by the time the story ends. I don't know if I think Oda's gonna do it that way though.
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I am SO convinced that the clone will have some weird technology thing that lets it expand/inflate its head to the size of Vegapunks (from 20 years ago) without actually needing to be that large. Both as a gag because itd be funny to watch him do it. And also because i kinda thing the clone doesnt have his fruit power and had a different want to copy all of the books info
Kind of like “zip driving” his head! 😂
16:26 To be fair, she did say "Everyone is alive" in 1124, which at the time I assume most people took it to just meant the satellites, but she was probably including Stella in that as well.
Lilith maybe refrained to mention the clone until she was sure she could restore it, and after confirming the environment on Elbaph was the same as on Egghead she felt more confident to reveal the cards she was holding... Also, I can't remember what chapter but I'm pretty sure I recall either Jinbei or Franky mentioning to one of the Vegapunks that they were done loading crates at one point in Egghead, so I bet the clone was foreshadowed there
I've always had a issue with Oda not keeping characters dead. The Kinemon situation is the perfect example. Already on the brink of death & then had his head bashed with advanced conquerors.
The fact that Kinemon survived because “Kaido stabbed me where Law seperated me and i wasn’t put together properly” while Ashura Doji and Izo died is still one of the lowest points of the story for me
Same, a lot of these deaths and sacrifices seemed pointless at this point. Very, very odd.
Another time a character should have died was Garp. Throughout the story, Garp's philosophy has always been "The potential of the new generation is the future." Then when the time came, Garp sacrificed himself to save Koby. Which was a reference to his story about leaving the old man behind and saving yourself and the baby.
Edit: It also seems like Oda is just killing off side characters but bullshitting plot armour for main characters. I can understand Vegapunk though, he still needs to explain devil fruits.
Garp can work if he's on deaths door and fully dies.@@earthisadonut7213
Vegapunk would be fine imo if there weren't 30 pounds, Pell's, and kinemons in the story.
You all realize that it's a young adult Manga right? It's not a sainin. Calm down
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What if Punk Records IS both brains linked together and merged to make a Super Brain, maybe that is what makes the satellites possible at all.
I have a theory punk records will go into orbit and become another moon with all the world's connected information and knowledge
Jackfruit is nice, tastes like pineapple a bit. Big seed inside every pouch. Parts of any cut piece are mild, then there are small pockets of extra sweet stuff.
Chapter just dropped, can't wait for the review
Where at?
It will be officially release next year so Tekking's review will also need to wait until the year ends
@@CT_20243 he's almost never waited for officials before though
@@frankehfightaz that's not true. I feel like tekking jumped onto the unofficial releases within the last year or so. Before that he was always on the official timeline
thanks for the heads up
I only wonder if the vegapunk clone will look old like the current vp was, or if he'll look younger like he did in the ohara flashback because im assuming they probably put the clone on ice or something to preserve it when it wasn't needed.
The first Stella we met was a drone, Vegapunk lobotomized himself after Ohara, he added decades to his natural life by placing himself in stasis
(maybe the original Stella drone had a larger antenna or he said he had given himself a haircut before he actually did)
that's the only way for there to only be one brain
16:26- At this point, Saturn is probably rolling in his grave that only did Vegapunk have a backup clone but Kuma is going to be revived. His only hopes is that if his questionable claims of being a scientist is plausible likely is going to have a backup clone of himself but it doesn't seem likely
So i can understand why people wouldnt be happy about Kuma coming, but for me i always kinda thought it was gonna happen. Like one theory i had around the midpoint of egghead was that S-Bear was gonna be used as Kumas new body and Kumas memories was just going to be pushed into it by Vegapunk giving it an order or activating something he put in S-Bear specifically because i thought that was the whole point of the memories being pushed out his body, and one of the reasons he Vegapunk didnt want Bonney to touch it. Also i remember there being quite a bit of panels focused on S-Bear which kinda felt like they were leading to something with S-Bear although nothing happened.
Are we sure we know when he went to Elbaf??? I feel like we're assuming he went there immediately after Ohara, but he could've went there much later too, right??? Like, he could've went to Ohara soon after it happened but waited a decade before going to Elbaf to actually read the books, right???
I've mentioned this in comments in the past. Kuma can be repaired, as far as his mind goes Oda setup the fix already. Bonny has his memories and can order him to push the memories out of her and absorb them into himself. I don't understand why this is hard, no one else seems to notice this.
22:18
Vegapunk probably cut the top of the clones head off first as practice. He waited to make sure that it worked well before trying on himself.
13:05 tekking i feel like everyone is thinking he’s standing up in the box so he can’t fit but it could just be that he’s sitting with his knees scrunched up to his chest and that’s why the box is that size because it fits him sitting down
Either that, or he’s in “zip drive” mode. 😂
I'd say it's important to mention that clones in OP are their own individuals - even a perfect copy isn't just going to continue on from where their dead predecessor left off (see the difference between the Stucies, and Vegapunk's declaration that the Stucy clone is "her own person"). So the 'perfect copy' still isn't the now-dead Stella-Vegapunk. It is essentially just a 'younger' twin, and mentioning him earlier wouldn't have added to Lilith's earlier point of "don't worry Luffy, you technically did save Vegapunk!".
As for Kuma, Oda does make a point of making dreams reality, and what better dream to fulfill than that of reviving a long-suffering father and reuniting him with his long-suffering daughter in a better, safer world. (I admit I'd rather see Kuma stay dead, or rather be put down by Bonnie so she can finally move on, but I wouldn't mind seeing a compromise of Kuma being revived with a more extreme Might Guy treatment of losing his powers & losing the ability to walk in exchange for getting back his ability to think & speak, allowing him at least a few proper years of adventuring with his daughter).
While this and the notion of possibly recovering Kuma are controversial, it IS worth noting that there’s the potential of it going wrong for Lilith or at least causing conflict down the line. People are already treating it like their sacrifices have been cheapened. 🤷♂️
I dont see Oda giving false hope to Bonnie just to crush it again, and if he wanted Kuma's death to be permanent he would made him explode in Egghead
@ True. My main point is that people are talking about fake out deaths cheapening the impact but a good remedy is having the efforts to recover these characters have unforeseen consequences, almost like an equivalent exchange.
4:21 its a biovat pod that she states
My theory is that the Vegapunk we saw with the apple head was the clone and this Vegapunk in the container is the real Vegapunk.
Imagine if the case Vice-Admiral Smoker is carrying is a secondary Punk Records
Do you think Akainu deserve to have arms ?
On the memory bubble part, the paw paw fruit is still available and usable in S-bear. He's sentient enough to be able to follow an order like "remove all the memories of Bartholamew Kuma".
Lessening the impact of his death or not, it makes much more senses Vegapunk having a clone than the smartest character in the world dying with successful cloning technology.
Vegapunk might be running a huge raid 1 server. definitely smart to have redundant backups
Pudding can use her memo memo no mi to take his memories from Bonney and give them back to Kuma essentially restoring him.
The bare minimum for Kuma is, to getting his stored personality and memories back and life the rest of his life with his daughter in peace.
It doesn’t matter if with his original body, or the seraphim body, but that what he truly deserves
I think he will fight by Dragons side first because he did tell Dragon he thats what he wanted to do before he became a government weapon.
28:39 I use to have it the backyard, if you hàve THE FIRST FRUIT you have to decided if you want to eat it as fruit or you want to cook it as a vegetable
Cause Once you cooked it as vegetable, you can't eatvit as a fruit anymore
TMI : I Never eat it as fruit, but as vegetable(soup) it's one of My Favourite Food
13:23 not necessarily; the second brain might act as a "backup server" of the main one, inside of Punk Records;
Not necessarily need to be somewhere else
One really important thing to consider is that it’s heavily implied that devil fruits are a form of technology if that is true then the fact that there are 2 devil fruits that can directly affect souls (big mom and Brook) that means that interaction with the soul through science is indeed possible for all things kuma
Jackfruits are a pain to cut open, but they're so worth it. Especially when you get a really fresh one
26:36 add jackfruit is so good. It’s like a fruit punch the flavor with the kid on the front and the pool toy came to life and existed in a fruit. It’s so amazing. I implore you to try a fresh one. It’s pretty pricey, but get a good one look up the signs for ripeness and have a open mind and eata lot of it and you’ll see what I mean.
I have had jackfruit as a fish substitute in a canteen dish at work, it wasn't fish, but it aws consistency wise acceptable and it didn't taste bad either and that comes from someone with a fishing liscense in Germany.
Of course the arm blocks my favorite shirt ill never have!!! Why nust you tempt me!
Normally I always think people that do charities just pocket the money, but I can tell what kind of person you are and I know you wouldn't. Thanks for what you do.
My guess is when VP cloned himself he realized that the clone and him had shared experiences. This lead him to come up with the concept of the Satellites. Then he agreed with his clone to perform the surgeries then Ice the Clone as a contingency for studying the void century.
I feel like you massively underestimate how much memories are who we are. people who lose their memories can become completely different people
8:53 vegapunk straight-up "science goku"
Lilith was speaking about Luffy not needing to worry but was distracted by other voices and information that got her distracted didn't she?
I truly honestly believed when we found out that kuma had all of his memories pushed out, that we were actually going to push them into the new clone CP zero said was not working properly. I thought it was such a huge obvious ploy, with his original body being ruined, being able to get a brand new body that is so much stronger to allow him to return to the revolutionary army with his daughter.
For the thing for the york knowing if the clone of vegapunk was a thing could easily be described by just saying if the stella and all the other satellites were killed, no one like lillith is now would be able to actually do everything they need to "revive" stella, bc lillith said there is things that she needs to do for him to come back.
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Come to Brazil to try the brazilian jackfruit!
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I hope the copy is like frosty and when he wakes up he says "happy brithday"
I used to eat jackfruits a lot as a kid, it tastes awesome. In india there is a dish which uses the seeds of the jackfruit as well. You cook it in a pressure cooker and add some spices to make a nice side dish.
If I was to guess I would say that the clone held onto the knowledge of Ohara until Kuma was asked to push all his memories out so the Stella could instantly absorb all the knowledge. Also I feel that Lilith saying she is going to revive Vegapunk and Kuma is Oda's way of writing all involved characters out of the story post Elbaph arc as I doubt she can build a lab with sufficient technological requirements until the epilogue of the story.
The meat that encases the fruit part inside jackfruit is cooked in various ways, one of it in like a curry-like veggie soup in indonesia. I often eat it bcs it's that kind of daily food that's sold everywhere. Just TMI
I have an interesting theory what if Bonnie imagines herself to have the PawPaw fruit and she makes a bubble of what she’s experienced seeing Kuma’s memories. Plus, she can also make another bubble of Kuma’s memories. Somehow intertwine those together to restore Kuma. We have to remember that at the time we didn’t know the extent of Bonnie’s double fruit.
I had a jackfruit tree in my backyard when I was a kid and god damn I loved that fruit! loved to collect the seeds as well since they were so big. The "glue" is indeed annoying as fuck, I remember that being the only thing that bothered me when eating it as I didn't have gloves to use nor would waste oil since we were very poor. In University there was a guy that sold homemade a deep fried food we call "coxinha" in Brazil and instead of using chicken meat, he used jackfruit "meat" and bro, it tasted AND the texture was the same as chicken, it was genuinely unbelievable the first time I ate it. This fruit is magical I miss being able to eat it so frequently.
Who knows. maybe the knowledge of Vegapunk (from Elbaph 20 years ago) had it's brain lopped off, then then put in cryostasis. In the meantime Vegapunk could make a copy to his own brain (on egghead), and that second brain is in punk record as well somewhere (maybe also somewhere in a box in cryostasis) to use as a back up, if the first one would had gotten destroyed by the Gorosei during the battle on Egghead. Who knows Vegapunk just had to press a button and the second brain would rise up from the floor, hook that brain on the internet cable and you'd hear a voice *"Back up brain, online."*
But it does look like a thing that's added last minute .
Love learning about these trees 😀
I do not remember which chapter it was but there was a moment where jinbei asked lillith(?) Or the Stella if they needed help getting their "luggage" may be our first and only hint at the Stella capsule clone
Thoughts.
1. It's possible that York left the "Ohara on Elbaf" clone alone because the full details of the containment setup made it hard for anyone other than a Vegapunk to access.
2. My guess for why Lillith wouldn't talk about the clone aboard the Great Eric is that she wanted to wait for both reaching the safety of Elbaf and a chance to look for and remove anything and anyone who might eavesdrop and relay the secret to the World Government.
3. Narrative debate about the tragedy of Kuma aside, I can think of no in universe reason why Lillith, Bonney, and their allies wouldn't try to restore Kuma as much as possible. Or at least study him to get a better idea about how recent events and research at Egghead affected him and the chances of saving him.
Excellent escape
Lil was about to get more than I thought
18:20 Have you considered Baymaxed Kuma with limited, residual feelings towards Bonney?
As if "I've salvaged whatever I could, it's not exactly your father, but it's as close as current science could manage"
I think the best that can happen for both the clone vegapunk and Kuma would be respectively a version of the doctor 20 years out of time being brought to the future having to deal with his future self’s death and everything he brought forth and an android 16 situation as the px-0 is brought as close to working order as Lilith can bring him and is given a sort of consciousness that is empowered by the experiences and memories of Bonnie’s dad.
By all right putting Kuma back to normal seems broadcast to be pretty likely.
Bonney's either got his memories in her head, or they are now wandering the ether in search of Kuma in order to return to him.
Multiple Vegapunks exist.
The only hard part is if his soul is still in his body or not. As that could complicate Kuma's restoration. *AND* You'll then get the mind-soul philosphy questions... plus maybe a bit of the Ship of Theseus.
Example 1: You die and are sitting in the afterlife.
But someone comes along and revives your corpse.
From the perspective of the living, you came back to life perfectly fine.
But the original you is still in the afterlife.
Example 2: More inline with Theseus.
Someone made a copy of your memories and had perfected body cloning.
You die suddenly from some accident. And then someone puts a copy of your memories into your body, Second You.
Some time later, the Second You gets into a worse accident and gets their mind uploaded into a clone body.
Some time later, Second You dies and someone makes a clone body and uploads Your/Second You's memories into the new body.
Creating Third You.
18:38 looking at this from oda's perspective with the family he has now
i genuinely don't think oda has it in him to leave kuma as he is
I’m an apologist for Oda’s Fake Out Deaths (if a certain Green Haired Harpy was revealed to be alive, I’d be ecstatic)…But I don’t want the Stella Vegapunk & Kuma to come back to life. Vegapunk already has 6 other selves to carry on his will. Another is too much for me
"This is getting out of hand.... now there are 2 of them."
Makes more sense that it's just one head. Cut it off and attach it to the clone, then turn it into punk records when he gets back
Am I wrong in hoping this is a failed clone. Not like horribly disfigured but "Betapunk" being like an inch shorter or with different colored hair and going through an existential crisis.
Ong. Stella needs to stay dead or messed up in order for the egghead stakes to still exist
Ngl him acting like he is a "failed clone" due to some stupid difference is neat, to reflect on his crippling perfectionism
You have to do the Osage Orange for O of tree facts
He’s doing tree facts now?
I wonder if tekking heard 1135 dropped already.
Jack fruit is awesome...Jamaicans love it and u can cook the seeds as well. And the smell might hit u at first but the taste is totally different in a good way
I mean it's safe to assume that punk records is pretty old. Considering it has the punk name, it was definitely started before Punk Hazard was destroyed. So it could be 20+ years old. And Stella 2 could have undergone the operation when Stella 1 did. Then put back into stasis. Also nothing says that the clone wasn't kept on elbaf. Stella 2 could have been stored for some time safely at elbaf.
Merry Christmas trekking your a good man all this RUclips pirate stuff aside
If you can get kuma to use his fruit to extract all kuma memories from bonnies. You could restore kuma at the cost of his relationship with his daughter
With Kuma, I think he will be a person again, but maybe he will be a blank slate with no memories. And I think it'll be in the background, so we won't see them so much. It doesn't really bother me. Also, Kuma and Bonney have endured so much pain that knowing they nebulously got a happy ending is enough for me.
Jay is the concept of "overreacting" made flesh, so let's NOT follow in his footsteps.
This clone is a different character stuck 20 years in the past, so Vegapunk's death is not lightened.
but that past body can synch with lilith or something? i really dont like how death is light in one piece
Actually misrepresenting what Jay said. This is the type of shit I hate on the Internet. Just confidently spouting lies.
Jay had a problem with Kuma and Oda's milking things for emotional effects and backtracking. You have no idea what people were even mad about
Well when vegapunk and a couple other punks were investigating in secrecy prior to events of egghead they discovered one of the Punks were responsible, did not know who but had suspicions. I wonder if it was then vegapunk clone was being made and they kept that a secret also.
Maybe that’s how York does not know
There was no second head, Vega punk cut off his head and placed it on the clone, then when the clone returned he removed the head and made punk records so he could access the info
I expected Vegapunk & Kuma to return to normal, all the cloning info we got on Egghead made me sure that Stella would return. But I did expect Kumas consciousness to be put in S-Bear, but I always felt he would return to "normal ". Side note I think Shanks and his "Twin" might be clones of Garling.
Tekking something you are forgetting in chapter 1104 Saturn says he triggered the self destruct days ago when the Revolutionaries got ahold of him. Yet there's Kuma is obviously not exploded because that's not what the Stella rigged , he made it so if triggered his body would be rendered inoperable. And yet he moves and not only that he used haki to punch Saturn in the face! It takes will to use Haki meaning he isn't brain dead either. You were right when you said "beyond science", that's exactly the reason Stella gave for Kuma being able to do that, presuming it has something to do with him being a Buccaneer.
I just assumed that the 8th Vegapunk synched his brain with the Punk Records and doesn't actually have a fruit power of his own.
For Kuma, I see them making a Kuma clone, then Bonney orders Kuma to use the Paw Paw fruit to push his own personality, memories, and "soul" into the clone. Then his original body can die and the paw fruit can return to circulation.
I could see a way that the Kuma issue could work out without undermining his sacrifice.
What if Lilith were to rebuild him, create an artificial personality, and either upload his memories or recreate them into this body. You'd essentially have a copy of Kuma. I could Bonnie being excited and happy, spending an entire day playing together with him. At the end of the day, she'd go back to Lilith and explain that she's accepted that her dad is gone and will never come back, thank her for lettinf her have one last day together with him, and then ask for him to finally be allowed to rest. It'd be a way to give Bonnie closure, allow her to say goodbye to him, give us a super heartwrenching scene that Oda loves so much, allow his Fruit to be reincarnated, and imo would be a nice end to his story.
Also, in regards to the theme of life and memory, you should check out the animator Don Hertzfeldt. He did the weird Simpsons couch gag "I Will Never Forget You." He has a bunch of animations about memory and eternal life that are really good and existential. There's also a youtube video covering his work and explaining the darkness of the Couch Gag.
As for the Vegapunk clone I don’t think that it also had a big brain 🧠 instead inside of the large head was maybe a prototype version of his apple antenna that allowed him to control it at a distance while his original body is being watched by the World Government, but this lead to him making Punk Records & the Satellites
On the "maybe there's a second Punk Records" theory - The Foundation, by Isaac Asimov
Kuma becomes a teddy bear piloting the PC0
I would like for Bonney to realize that if she got Kuma back that he won’t be the real Kuma and lay him to rest.
Vegapunk has literally found how to cheat death. Yet devil fruits are still a mystery to him. Makes me wonder about devil fruits even more.