Whizbang Cider: Part 2-Pressing The Apple Mash

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  • Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2024

Комментарии • 138

  • @MrOmcif
    @MrOmcif 7 лет назад +6

    Even with my traditional system we build a cheese most of the old timers in Northern NY did this. That is where I learned it when I was a kid. Your system is unique and good for a home system and there are others out there that are doing very similar things with slightly different equipment. Good job.

  • @geoffoutdoors
    @geoffoutdoors 4 года назад +3

    Such a great video. ..wonderful pressing design...so awesome thanks for sharing that process!

  • @ronvallas2350
    @ronvallas2350 Год назад +1

    What a great video. I was just curious for a way to utilize my apples I get every year and now I want to start building. Very informative, great system, and you have a voice and cadence that is made for radio. Thank you!

  • @aaronakers6645
    @aaronakers6645 3 года назад +2

    Such a fun build!! Made this last fall and managed to get one pressing. This fall is looking better. 2 already and 6 more planned with family and friends.

  • @jessicadahme9035
    @jessicadahme9035 4 года назад +3

    Thank you kindly for taking the time to go through your design. I’ve been revising my personal cold press. Focusing a bit on Welles’ (ish) design, concentrating on pressing more at a crack to utilize centrifugal waste. So the same but different. This helps!
    I use an omega auger for mastication (you twerps, reread before giggling 🙄). A bit of $, and slower yield, It has multi purpose for me though.
    Thanks again! Keep on enjoying the craft. Cheers 🍻

  • @elizabethwesterhoff3846
    @elizabethwesterhoff3846 7 лет назад +3

    Thank-You for these videos. I will show to my hubby and hopefully he'll make me one of your systems. I've already purchased the booklet. By the way, some of the comments were hurtful and I hated reading them. You keep being the person you are.

    • @herrickkimball
      @herrickkimball 7 лет назад

      Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for the encouraging comment, and the book order. I'll have your book mailed out to you today. I got an e-mail from a man in Iowa last week that said... "69 gallons in 4 hours! You system is incredible. We use 5 discs with the poly tub and a hydraulic press. Had a blast." Comments like that (along with a picture), from people who actually use my cider making system, offset the unkind comments that seem to be par for the course on many RUclips videos.

  • @sadiqaliabdullah129
    @sadiqaliabdullah129 3 года назад

    Nice video Whiz I really enjoyed watching your step by step video .
    Ty

  • @aixflower
    @aixflower 8 лет назад +5

    Well done construction! You combine the advantages of those two types of cider presses. Really good! The only thing, you could use a strainer so that the juice contains less trubs. Thanks and Greetings!

  • @fiveprices5
    @fiveprices5 6 лет назад +2

    Thanks for the inspiration. Just finished building my "H" frame. Instead of the angled legs I used a box design for the bottom to slip in and out for flat storage.

    • @andyh7537
      @andyh7537 Год назад

      Would love to see your build!

  • @yorickboin296
    @yorickboin296 7 лет назад +1

    this is so satisfying and calming to watch

  • @ruhatabassum
    @ruhatabassum 2 года назад

    Thanks for sharing cider grind and press, I will also make my own cider soon 😄

  • @alkapone7958
    @alkapone7958 2 месяца назад

    cheers mate! Thank you from Greece

  • @bluetreedog1205
    @bluetreedog1205 4 года назад

    Hi thanks for the enjoyable informative videos. Can I use cooking apples to make cider?

  • @GeirGJohnsendto
    @GeirGJohnsendto 3 года назад

    Excellent! The thickness on those pressing plates I would like to know and is the pressure plate thicker and how thick. All are made of HDPE plastic? Where can I get that plastic? Great job.

  • @betronyx
    @betronyx 5 лет назад

    Awesome video! And great final thoughts! We need all those beautiful wishes. Best regards.

  • @davidpatrick1813
    @davidpatrick1813 Год назад

    Quick comment; The round top part of the jack is a large screw, turning it out like a screw you can limit some extra work to stack wood etc.

  • @PARTIZAN_32
    @PARTIZAN_32 4 года назад

    Молодец! Всё грамотно сделал. Приятно смотреть.

  • @RhodeToPrepping
    @RhodeToPrepping 3 года назад

    Thank you for your video.

  • @vice4784
    @vice4784 2 года назад

    Hello, how many kilos of apple did you use to make those liters, and would you have a diagram of how to make a steamroller to get the juice out of the apple

  • @jerrycampbell9376
    @jerrycampbell9376 6 лет назад +1

    How well would a 5 gal. HDPE bucket, with holes, work, vs. your sheet plastic design?

    • @herrickkimball
      @herrickkimball 6 лет назад +1

      It will work fairly well. I present this as an inexpensive tub option in my book. The buckets are typically made with food grade HDPE plastic. It will work best if you use pressing discs and size the mash bags so that very minimal outward pressure is exerted on the tub, just like I show with the sheet plastic tub in this video.

  • @dizzydinonysius
    @dizzydinonysius 3 года назад

    When I was a kid and lived on a small farm, we pressed apples in the traditional wood basket type. I do not recall layering at all and I am wondering the significance to it. Is there better yield by layering or is layering just a different method?

  • @gratefulgal6416
    @gratefulgal6416 6 лет назад

    I really enjoyed watching this . Thanks 👍 💟

  • @mathieumutagomwa9390
    @mathieumutagomwa9390 4 года назад

    HALLO, THIS IS A GOOD HAND MADE, THANK U FOR YOUR LESSONS, I WILL DO IT.

  • @Lunatic_88
    @Lunatic_88 Год назад

    (HDPE). Harms: Although it is usually considered safe for usage in limited quantity, studies have shown that code 2 plastics can leach nonylphenol, especially when exposed to sunlight, which is an endocrine disruptor.

  • @vishnoor
    @vishnoor 6 лет назад +4

    Like the idea of using a sink disposal grinder as the masher. Very unique.

  • @thomasedwin1
    @thomasedwin1 7 лет назад

    That pumas makes kick ass fertilizer for your garden.

  • @ianhardman9263
    @ianhardman9263 Год назад

    How do you clean your pressing bags.

  • @hepburn118
    @hepburn118 6 лет назад

    Ah, it warmed my heart to hear someone outside The Big Bang Theory say something was cattywhompus. You made my day and you're video's are really instructional and well made.
    Can I make a suggestion though? You seem to be making work for yourself with the step of pre-squeezing the pulp before pressing It looks to me. It looks to me that what might be a plan is to raise the grinder up some and have it empty straight into the press drain cylinder. Just keep putting pieces of the drain cloth into the press and fill them from the grinder and and add the discs. Just keep going until the cylinder is full, It just looks like that would save time/manpower/effort to me and that is sort of how I watched them do it in the UK when I lived there before I buggered off back around to my own side of the world to the relative sanity of New Zealand.

  • @matthewbenson8664
    @matthewbenson8664 7 лет назад +1

    Herrick, Recommendations for the 1/2 hp motor on the grinder? Farm duty, where do you get and at what cost? Thanks

    • @herrickkimball
      @herrickkimball 7 лет назад

      I missed this question when it was posted. A Farm Duty motor will work for sure, and that is the kind of motor I have on my grinder. I buy FarmDuty motors from Electric Motor Warehouse. Good folks. Price for a new one is high at $170. Try to find a used motor. or, if you already have a motor of any kind that can be easily mounted in the grinder frame, give it a try.

  • @pasqualeparente9776
    @pasqualeparente9776 6 лет назад

    How long did your cider ferment before pressing?. How much alcohol in your cider? And how long does it have to sit so that all the residue particles settle and then transfer to clean bottles?

    • @herrickkimball
      @herrickkimball 6 лет назад +1

      Less than an hour between grinding the apples and pressing. No alcohol. It's sweet cider. I let the juice settle overnight before transferring to containers for freezing or refrigeration.

  • @lebommjohnson8101
    @lebommjohnson8101 8 лет назад +4

    I'd recommend either:A. Use a jack handle of a diameter closer to that of the socket, orB. Insert a bushing (maybe just a slice of pipe) into the socket to reduce its diameterAs it is now, there's a great deal of wasted motion in the pumping of the jack.

    • @shawndunne3118
      @shawndunne3118 7 лет назад +1

      Enough about the book!

    • @lebommjohnson8101
      @lebommjohnson8101 7 лет назад +1

      Book ?

    • @lebommjohnson8101
      @lebommjohnson8101 7 лет назад +1

      Just watched the vid again end-to-end and now see that he plugs his "book" left, right and center, and I agree - ENOUGH ADVERTISING !

    • @1caramarie
      @1caramarie 6 лет назад +4

      And how is supposed to earn money? If you are so smart why do you care if he sell a book or not. How about you invent your own "brilliant" press and chill out.

    • @pasqualeparente9776
      @pasqualeparente9776 6 лет назад

      1caramarie He did not invent anything new, the wine industry has these presses on the market for the longest time. I must admit that the grinder may be his own idea but I believe there are faster and easier ways to accomplish that task.

  • @christinaperez254
    @christinaperez254 2 года назад

    A five gallon bucket will work to press in? Right?

    • @herrickkimball
      @herrickkimball 2 года назад

      People have used a 5-gallon bucket. I discuss that option on page 39 of my plan book. 👍

  • @christinaperez254
    @christinaperez254 2 года назад

    How tall are the sides of your stainless steel tray?

  • @withoutprejudice8301
    @withoutprejudice8301 4 месяца назад

    Buckets from Home Depot are HDPE 2 (food grade) rated.

  • @mizmzappamizmzappa9548
    @mizmzappamizmzappa9548 4 года назад

    Excuse me but is there any difference if I just want to use my Jason Vale electric juicing machine to get the Apple juice??

    • @herrickkimball
      @herrickkimball 4 года назад +1

      Same juice. The cider press here is better suited for making larger volumes.

    • @mizmzappamizmzappa9548
      @mizmzappamizmzappa9548 4 года назад

      Thanks 😊

    • @mizmzappamizmzappa9548
      @mizmzappamizmzappa9548 4 года назад

      Herrick Kimball Thanks I will be juicing and having a go at fermentation for the first time as I have too many apples and not enough storage space.

  • @notaflicker
    @notaflicker 4 года назад

    Have you a link if the measurements of this?

  • @gihscom
    @gihscom 7 лет назад

    great video, how do you store the cider and how long will it last?

    • @herrickkimball
      @herrickkimball 7 лет назад

      We put it in plastic jugs and freeze it. Don't fill all the way so there is room for expansion. It will hold it's flavor for a year when frozen.

    • @pasqualeparente9776
      @pasqualeparente9776 6 лет назад

      Herrick Kimball If you let it ferment you can keep it longer without the need of refrigeration. And you can also leave some fermented cider in an open quart and hope it oxidizes so that you can make your own apple cider vinegar. Apple cider vinegar can start quicker if you have the "mother" of vinegars.

  • @attilarivera
    @attilarivera 4 года назад

    👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
    BRAVO!!!
    👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
    GOD bless America!

  • @amandaelswick6080
    @amandaelswick6080 2 года назад

    what type of apples are you using?

    • @herrickkimball
      @herrickkimball 2 года назад

      I don't know. Just a mix of different kinds that were available. The key point being a mix of different kinds, not one single variety.

  • @ajsinpa787
    @ajsinpa787 8 лет назад

    sir where would I find that particular hdpe plastic that you use in several parts of your mechanism

    • @herrickkimball
      @herrickkimball 8 лет назад +1

      I recommend The Cutting Board Factory (.com) for HDPE. Check out the specials they have. You can also get HDPE on EBAY.

  • @Mentagrophytes
    @Mentagrophytes 4 года назад

    So now, when I went to the site “whizbangcider.com”....... I ended up with a goblededoo asian site that could not be understood. What happened to the English version, and where can one purchase the book??

    • @herrickkimball
      @herrickkimball 4 года назад

      Never buy a web domain name from Google. Lesson learned. GoDaddy is the best place for domains. I posted an updated link in the video description (above) a couple years ago. That will get you to the new Whizbang Cider web site, which is also whizbangcider.net. Hope that helps

    • @Mentagrophytes
      @Mentagrophytes 4 года назад

      Herrick Kimball found it thanks......seems like yur having trouble keeping things in stock. Any outlets near Eugene, Oregon? Thanks for the reply.

    • @herrickkimball
      @herrickkimball 4 года назад

      @@Mentagrophytes Keeping up with demand for the parts proved to be too much for me as a one-man business. I have numerous other products too (www.planetwhizbang.com) So I now just sell the high-quality pressing fabric. Making and selling the parts could be a nice (though very seasonal) side hustle for someone. But the parts are all easily made, as the plan book explains. Thank you.

  • @camazotzz
    @camazotzz 7 лет назад

    this is a pretty well designed press! Could you tell me where you got that metal tray with the spout on the bottom?

    • @farmbeet2542
      @farmbeet2542  6 лет назад

      I had it custom made for me. I sell them. Some people are using large aluminum pans and outfitting them with a drain. I'm not sure how.

  • @parleypratt260
    @parleypratt260 2 года назад

    You can dehydrate and grind the pumice and make apple flour out of it, too.

  • @jasonelliott2055
    @jasonelliott2055 7 лет назад

    After you've pressed the mash, could you add some of the juice back to it and make apple sauce?

    • @herrickkimball
      @herrickkimball 7 лет назад

      Probably not, because it has apple seeds in it. However, you can use the grinder to make apple sauce, as I show in this essay: thedeliberateagrarian.blogspot.com/2009/03/whizbanged-applesauce.html

    • @herrickkimball
      @herrickkimball 7 лет назад

      And here is Part 2 of my Whizbang applesauce experiment... thedeliberateagrarian.blogspot.com/2009/03/making-whizbanged-applesauce-part-2-of.html

    • @jasonelliott2055
      @jasonelliott2055 7 лет назад

      Thanks, I found the blurb about the applesauce about 10 minutes after I posted my question.

  • @mariewhitebowling5775
    @mariewhitebowling5775 8 лет назад

    Thank you! I hope I can do this.

  • @senatorjosephmccarthy2720
    @senatorjosephmccarthy2720 6 лет назад +3

    Good designs, thanks, but the whistiling is irritating.

  • @ironbomb6753
    @ironbomb6753 6 лет назад

    Is this guy and his site still active?

    • @herrickkimball
      @herrickkimball 6 лет назад +1

      Yes. www.WhizbangCider.net is an active web site, as is www.PlanetWhizbang.com. Thanks for asking.

  • @jimdyett5823
    @jimdyett5823 3 года назад +1

    With respect I would call that Apple juice, not cider, my brother was a cider maker in Kent UK , he'd do similar to what you've done but he would add a certain amount of sugar, depending how strong he wanted it, if you drank the amount of his cider that is in your glass I'd like to see you get up and walk afterwards 😂 best wishes

    • @fakmeissner2498
      @fakmeissner2498 Год назад

      Yes, I agree. But we plan on taking the next step and making "true" cider.

  • @davemegaw5282
    @davemegaw5282 6 лет назад

    Have you ever made V8 juice with your system

    • @farmbeet2542
      @farmbeet2542  6 лет назад

      No. I have a VitaMix that I would use for that. It liquifies, while the grinder makes a mash. But, it might be possible to mash a lot of vegetables and press them. Somebody needs to try that!

  • @zmohan69
    @zmohan69 6 лет назад +1

    Cheers from upstate ny

  • @khalid969
    @khalid969 6 лет назад

    what was the website address again?

    • @herrickkimball
      @herrickkimball 6 лет назад

      whizbangcider.net
      It used to be WhizbangCider.com, but I lost it to the Google bureaucracy (long story).

  • @HectorPerez-tb8hn
    @HectorPerez-tb8hn 3 года назад

    no new videos ?

  • @samdrajones4087
    @samdrajones4087 8 лет назад

    How do you preserve the cider?

    • @Alaneberhard
      @Alaneberhard 7 лет назад

      Samdra Jones Potassium Sorbate works well to prevent fermentation. You can get these tablets very inexpensively through either a beer making store near you or online. The other way is pasteurization but that requires bringing it up to a certain temperature which can often alter the cider flavor.

    • @herrickkimball
      @herrickkimball 7 лет назад

      We freeze it in plastic jugs. It can also be canned, but loses a lot of flavor.

    • @senatorjosephmccarthy2720
      @senatorjosephmccarthy2720 6 лет назад +1

      A Rhinehart + The artificial presercative can be tasted immediately by many, and is yet another substance for people's body to have to attempt to deal with. It being in, and ruining, storebought cider, is why I'm building a shredder and press.

    • @lunkerpond9765
      @lunkerpond9765 6 лет назад +1

      @@Alaneberhard 160 degrees

  • @СергейМанаенков-с2л

    good, but it takes a long time

  • @426superbee4
    @426superbee4 6 лет назад +1

    i 'am guessing that you can also use this as a cheese press He hee my bees will be all over it in no time Pulp will make good bee feed or chicken feed too

  • @escapeman9016
    @escapeman9016 6 лет назад +1

    Just came across this after our own "Apple Day". The pree we used uses square cheeses not contained, and uses an oak frame. Your design is not unique, sorry. I do like your InSinkErator scratter though - is a mite dangerous :)

  • @JodBronson
    @JodBronson 6 лет назад

    Another Channel? LOL

  • @anthonyjonmorris3763
    @anthonyjonmorris3763 4 года назад

    apple juice not cider until its fermented

    • @josephvogel7234
      @josephvogel7234 3 года назад

      How is it that you can buy cider in the stores and it id not fermented? I would think that juice is actually called juice because it has been diluted?

    • @josephvogel7234
      @josephvogel7234 3 года назад

      Apple cider is made from apples that are washed, cut and ground into an "apple mash" similar to applesauce. ... On the other hand, apple juice undergoes filtration to remove pulp and is then pasteurized to extend the shelf life. Vacuum sealing and additional filtering help it stay fresh even longer

  • @ralphhardie7492
    @ralphhardie7492 2 года назад

    Hydraulic fluid contamination is always a problem

  • @jeffking6286
    @jeffking6286 7 лет назад +1

    Mate....the English farmer still press their own cider except they are using 100s of lbs of apples and use tree logs to put extreme pressure on their cheese......it's not. Whizbang only system!!!!

    • @farmbeet2542
      @farmbeet2542  7 лет назад

      I think that's great. I love to see the heavy, old cidermaking systems that are typical to English farms. The Whizbang cidermaking system is a home-scale cidermaking system, not commercial. But it will still process hundreds of pounds of apples. The set-up is simple, inexpensive, and effective. it presses mash very dry. A small hydraulic press will put a lot of pressure to an assembled cheese without a lot of heaviness. If the old timers had hydraulic jacks, you can bet they would have used them instead of logs and screws. There are numerous ways to turn apples into juice. Some are more intelligent than others, but they all make cider and that is always a beautiful thing.

    • @jeffking6286
      @jeffking6286 7 лет назад

      Farm Beet they have hydro jack nowadays but continue to do it the old way because they believe in two things....1. Tradition and 2. They believe the old way makes tastier cider.....

    • @farmbeet2542
      @farmbeet2542  7 лет назад

      I like that. It's a wonderful tradition and it should be preserved.

  • @trevordawson1947
    @trevordawson1947 7 лет назад +10

    To much talkın and not enough workın.You could have done a 10 mın vıdeo ıf you had have kept quıet

    • @JodBronson
      @JodBronson 6 лет назад

      +Trevor Dawson - 10 Minutes??? It took me 2 seconds to understand this concept! By the way... " To " should be " Too " - You should've stayed an extra 10 more minutes in your English 101 - LMFAO !!!

    • @mikesibert1723
      @mikesibert1723 6 лет назад +1

      Pick, wash, cut, grind, and press. All that explained in only 40 minutes and 2 parts of video. Amazing! NOT!!!!!

  • @cbknight6882
    @cbknight6882 2 года назад +1

    Too much talk.....

  • @hootche1
    @hootche1 6 лет назад +10

    Please stop cauling it Cider, at that stage its apple juice, after fermentation its CIDER.

    • @farmbeet2542
      @farmbeet2542  6 лет назад +22

      Thanks for the comment, Evelyn. Traditionally speaking, cider is an alcoholic beverage. But, much to the chagrin of traditionalists, the English language is continually evolving. Here where I live in upstate, New York, USA, fresh-pressed apple "juice" (as you call it) has been referred to as cider for as long as I can remember, which is around 55 years. You can go into any supermarket or apple orchard around here at this time of year and purchase apple cider, which is the fresh-pressed juice of the apple. Apple juice, on the other hand, is a highly processed, bottled, urine-colored fluid that is available year round in the supermarkets. It's not a popular drink, while fresh cider, in season, is. In recent years, with the increased popularity of hard cider, many small hard cider businesses have started up. So, now it's either hard cider or sweet cider, but it sure isn't juice. I've noticed that this matter of proper vernacular for cider is particularly irksome to people in the UK. It is what it is. There is no sense in getting upset about it. I deleted your comment with the bad language, and have deleted others with similarly bad (and worse) language. It's really not necessary among civilized people to be disrespectful and intolerant,. Sweet or hard, cider is a very fine drink. Let's celebrate that together.

    • @josephvogel7234
      @josephvogel7234 3 года назад +2

      Apple cider is made from apples that are washed, cut and ground into an "apple mash" similar to applesauce. ... On the other hand, apple juice undergoes filtration to remove pulp and is then pasteurized to extend the shelf life. Vacuum sealing and additional filtering help it stay fresh even longer

    • @motog4-75
      @motog4-75 Год назад +1

      Ok merican people.
      We need to clear this & set every one straight once and for all.
      Here goes :
      When you press/squeeze apples, weather you leave it cloudy or filter it, it is apple juice. Unfiltered is cloudy apple juice. Filtered is clear. Either way at this stage it is NOT cider of any sort.
      Now if you take your product & ferment it, it will now be classed as cider. End of. No such thing as hard or soft. Juice is juice, clear or cloudy. After fermentation, cider is cider as is.

  • @jackmonksfield7108
    @jackmonksfield7108 8 лет назад

    Is this a fake channel

    • @herrickkimball
      @herrickkimball 8 лет назад

      It's not a fake channel. What are you talking about?

    • @jackmonksfield7108
      @jackmonksfield7108 8 лет назад

      +farmbeet there's two channels and this one has patchy content compared to the other one

    • @hawknives
      @hawknives 8 лет назад +2

      screw your jack shaft out, instead of adding two blocks.
      that way you don't have to remove the jack.

    • @herrickkimball
      @herrickkimball 8 лет назад

      I'm confused. Can't find the other channel. :-(

    • @jackmonksfield7108
      @jackmonksfield7108 8 лет назад

      +farmbeet never mind then. This is the real one that's all I need to know.

  • @richardjanssen3183
    @richardjanssen3183 6 лет назад

    Need chickens to feed the Ma sh to

    • @meuhey
      @meuhey 2 года назад

      can the mash be stored in a garage and fed to chickens during the winter?

  • @1dadian
    @1dadian 4 года назад

    Лайк однозначно! Но! Так много лишних движений! Посмотри как всё это делают русы! Перенимай опыт! ruclips.net/video/fsUwDQERpJ0/видео.html

  • @Topcat-ks5zv
    @Topcat-ks5zv 8 лет назад +3

    this is not cider it is apple juice it has to be fermented to be cider

    • @timmurphy5541
      @timmurphy5541 7 лет назад +1

      In America the juice is cider and if you ferment it, it's "hard cider". Confused me too.

    • @josephvogel7234
      @josephvogel7234 3 года назад

      Apple cider is made from apples that are washed, cut and ground into an "apple mash" similar to applesauce. ... On the other hand, apple juice undergoes filtration to remove pulp and is then pasteurized to extend the shelf life. Vacuum sealing and additional filtering help it stay fresh even longer

    • @Topcat-ks5zv
      @Topcat-ks5zv 3 года назад

      @@josephvogel7234 ah ok thanks for that

    • @Topcat-ks5zv
      @Topcat-ks5zv 3 года назад

      @@timmurphy5541 ah ok thanks for that

  • @deborahhoffmaster9057
    @deborahhoffmaster9057 7 лет назад

    I would not drink it.

  • @ezpc-
    @ezpc- 7 лет назад +5

    you talk to much!

    • @senatorjosephmccarthy2720
      @senatorjosephmccarthy2720 6 лет назад

      Ruben Martinez + Times 10.

    • @JodBronson
      @JodBronson 6 лет назад +1

      +Ruben Martinez - It took me 2 seconds to understand this concept! By the way... " To " should be " Too " - You should've stayed an extra 10 more minutes in your English 101 - LMFAO !!!

  • @johnpiper504
    @johnpiper504 4 года назад +1

    Wow you took a system thats 100s of years old and made it worse. Why are you containing your cheese man, more work, more energy. You arent building your cheese on the press, your building it over in a mold in a bowl, then putting it into a bucket, then to the container on the press. Too many steps, too many buckets, to much dripping. Please stop teaching people the hard way.