This is why Allison automatics are great. The power is always there when you need it and why it's fitted to heavy duty vehicle's like fire engines, buses, ambulances etc across the world as they are the most popular gearboxes.
It’s even more popular in the US. School buses over there only came with the Allison Transmission and they have never failed to deliver the performance of the buses.
I myself am now convinced this is a 6-speed after long believing this was a 5-speed. At first I believe when I was researching it wasn't explicit that a bus can have the 6-speed option so believed it to be 5-speed. If my counting is correct then the 6th kicks in at 0:30 but I don't mind being wrong and corrected.
This was on the overground replacement from stratford to richmond, right? Damnit, I saw that you were taking this bus out but on the monday after. Had hoped to get one of these when the replacement ran 2 weeks prior but only C10 vehicles were used
Sadly the allocation has changed to double deckers now - pity as I would have loved one of these to appear on the 22:15 Stratford to Richmond this Sunday!
@@KickdownLondon I presume this is to encourage social distancing or is it permanent? Either way it's a shame, only real time these get to stretch their legs (especially with you behind the wheel). Though would be nice to get a euro 4 E400 on this route too, maybe one of the euro 5 ones with a more power topodyn setup
These are closer to 9.5m. The 0-60 video was me driving a standard 5 speed Allison DE after a rail replacement job in Hertfordshire. Enjoyed that one too!
Great video.☺️ This must be the best Enviro 200 MMC that I’ve ever seen and heard. I’m so surprised that a Enviro 200 MMC could do this.☺️ This is better that the ones Stagecoach London has.☺️ What’s the reg?☺️ Edit: I just watched this video back and counted the number of times it changes gears and it’s 6 times which means it’s a 6 speed Gearbox.☺️
Off course an Enviro 200 MMC can do it. You just need to get a driver who's willing to thrash the bus, take you to your destination quickly and impress us bus enthusiasts.
@@londonbuses5472 I'll put some posts out on the enthusiast sites but there's only ever a slim chance at best of one making it out. Will try again in late September!
Awesome mmc your right about newer buses not having as much power as older buses and BTW all new London buses from 2019 being speed limited and companies like metroline and abellio limit there buses to like 40mph or lower
This batch do have kickdown switches, they act like normal Allison's until the switch is pressed I would know as I've ridden these beasts and have heard them downshift twice depending on what gear they're in
@@zakbyrd9636 Except these do have kickdown. As I said, they act like normal allison E200MMCs until the switch is activated then they downshift and/or hold their gears. A program cannot replicate a downshift on a flat surface and wont hold gears completely, it'll hold it for what is considered economical. Thats why this isnt program controlled, it will downshift on the flat and revs the same whether its on the flat or going up an incline with kickdown. Heck it even holds its gears like this going down an incline and I have video proof of that!
cbreezer15 I’m pretty sure there where more ALX400 from Abellio and Scanias, definitely remember a B7TL East Thames driven in snow aswell that I can’t find lol but yeah I’ve been about for years on your channel!!
![*OVER-REV + KICKDOWN?* ZF Enviro 200 on Route 407 [Abellio London]](/img/1.gif)
This is why Allison automatics are great. The power is always there when you need it and why it's fitted to heavy duty vehicle's like fire engines, buses, ambulances etc across the world as they are the most popular gearboxes.
Allison and the ZF gearboxes too
@@Adam-jf6gs Old ZF's yes new ZF's no.
It’s even more popular in the US. School buses over there only came with the Allison Transmission and they have never failed to deliver the performance of the buses.
Their world class now but here in the UK they aren't mass fitted to buses anymore because of spec and emissions.
@@jaggass Cmon. Without Allison, all the newer buses will suffer from lower hp. Voith doesn’t have much hp, ZF Eco doesn’t have much hp.
Absolutely fantastic for a modern bus!! Sounds much better than the Voith equivalents! :P
Agreed! Not come across a Voither with kickdown yet, but it is possible to hold them to over 2600rpm!
LVideo1000 the voith equivalent sounds good when thrashed too, it gets up to full RPM. Shame they don’t have kickdown though.
@@thenumbertaker228voith MMCs are sick wdum
Excellent like always! 6 speed by the way!
Thanks!
Love these Enviros with the Allison in them.. Best channel for these Videos...
Thank you! Yes they are enjoyable buses!
I waited so long for this
Glad to have delivered!
Melts my heart 🤩🤩🤤🤤could listen to this forever bet it felt good sitting inside this!
Glad you like it - yes great buses to ride on a fast run!
This is why MMCs are legends!
I myself am now convinced this is a 6-speed after long believing this was a 5-speed. At first I believe when I was researching it wasn't explicit that a bus can have the 6-speed option so believed it to be 5-speed.
If my counting is correct then the 6th kicks in at 0:30 but I don't mind being wrong and corrected.
You're correct
Think that is correct!
All Euro 6 E200s from what I've ridden were all 6 speeders
This was on the overground replacement from stratford to richmond, right? Damnit, I saw that you were taking this bus out but on the monday after. Had hoped to get one of these when the replacement ran 2 weeks prior but only C10 vehicles were used
Yes Stratford to Richmond!
@@KickdownLondon Cheers for the reply even if the comment was from a year ago. Wish i had the dedication to reply to comments as old as that!
@@LondonsTransport Yes sorry about the delay I'm going through every comment I haven't replied to and trying to answer everything!
Sadly the allocation has changed to double deckers now - pity as I would have loved one of these to appear on the 22:15 Stratford to Richmond this Sunday!
@@KickdownLondon I presume this is to encourage social distancing or is it permanent? Either way it's a shame, only real time these get to stretch their legs (especially with you behind the wheel).
Though would be nice to get a euro 4 E400 on this route too, maybe one of the euro 5 ones with a more power topodyn setup
This is the best batch of E200s that abellio ordered and you should try HCT Euro VI E200s they have kickdown
Please keep uploading videos mate! That was fucking beautiful, I couldn't stop listening to it in school :)
Will do, thanks for the comment, glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome video ! The Trent Barton ones on the Nines are pretty similar to these just single door obviously
True. Best enviro in the fleet. I should know because I live on that route...
They don’t have kickdown either
Definitely 6 speed. Great video by the way.
Thanks!
I like the way the car overtakes the bus just to slow it down at 1:09 not. Typical car driver scared the bus is faster than it
33 seconds for full kickdown is very good for a 10.8 meter bus.
there's a video on youtube with 0-60 in 29s!
These are closer to 9.5m. The 0-60 video was me driving a standard 5 speed Allison DE after a rail replacement job in Hertfordshire. Enjoyed that one too!
@@KickdownLondon I meant the one by Urbanite but your video is impressive too!
@@MichaelFlatman Yes that's my other account for more general bus videos.
Great video.☺️ This must be the best Enviro 200 MMC that I’ve ever seen and heard. I’m so surprised that a Enviro 200 MMC could do this.☺️ This is better that the ones Stagecoach London has.☺️ What’s the reg?☺️
Edit: I just watched this video back and counted the number of times it changes gears and it’s 6 times which means it’s a 6 speed Gearbox.☺️
YX66WFF,WFH,WFD,WFE and WFG are the batch that have kickdown but they're found on the P13 which isnt particularly fast
Off course an Enviro 200 MMC can do it. You just need to get a driver who's willing to thrash the bus, take you to your destination quickly and impress us bus enthusiasts.
@@westlondonerstravels578 Not all of them though. Only the ones on the P13, U9 and H20 have kickdown.
vLondon Transport how do you know when one of these does a rail rep or underground rep? Which one of the two is more likely to achieve this?
@@londonbuses5472 I'll put some posts out on the enthusiast sites but there's only ever a slim chance at best of one making it out. Will try again in late September!
Whats that noise that kicks in at 0:16 ? Sort of sounds like the tube when its going up to speed
It’s the diff
Awesome mmc your right about newer buses not having as much power as older buses and BTW all new London buses from 2019 being speed limited and companies like metroline and abellio limit there buses to like 40mph or lower
Daniel's UK Transport videos and more London are replacing good buses with shit buses and making them slower with less power.
@@joshuahalla.k.a.controlla6333 ikr
Most of the newer Abellio stuff is limited to about 45mph. Except the E200 MMCs - haven't yet found one limited to less than 60mph.
@@KickdownLondon might consider doing abellio mmcs
@@DanielsUKT They're nice but very few have kickdown like this - and highly unlikely to get much more than 20mph out of one sadly!
10000000% 6 speed!!!
Think I agree with you!
This bus is Now with Go Coach in Kent
This sounds nice
Nice sounds of E200MMC they actually are voith ZF
YasinBusEnthusiast2018 I swear that Voith and ZF are two different Gearboxes? Anyway, this bus has one of the newer Alison Gearboxes.
This one has a 6 speed Allison box.
cbreezer15 I know. I wish they still made the Allison AT-545 gearboxes so that they could add it to these buses, that would sound so cool.☺️
Joshua Hall a.k.a. Controlla true
Yes they were nice sounding boxes but best for town work.
Why does it sound like a Euro6 ZF enviro200
That's what I thought the very first time I rode one of these. The first gear does sort of resemble the unlocked ZF pullaway.
Damn!! 😍😍😍
nah alisson from like 2010 is 5 gears ur not wrong but new ones have more gears
Idk why they moved this bus to Go Coach
Its Allison hold gears
Its a shame abellio/TUK got rid of this batch
you can hear him damaging the engine slightly
Which point do you think you can hear the engine being damaged?
if you listen carefully you can hear it little bit as you watch more of the video
@@Arda972what?!💀💀💀 what sound was it making, timestamp it
This isn’t kickdown, Alison who provide the gearbox for these, have programmed the gearbox’s to make them rev rather high to obtain higher speed
Bus Basher Kickdown is shown throughout the video,these Allison’s are unrestricted as well as the 9.3m variety at Hayes (usually found on U9)
They don’t have kickdown thou 😂
This batch do have kickdown switches, they act like normal Allison's until the switch is pressed I would know as I've ridden these beasts and have heard them downshift twice depending on what gear they're in
THEY DO NOT HAVE KICKDOWN WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABLUT THAT ?!?!
@@zakbyrd9636 Except these do have kickdown. As I said, they act like normal allison E200MMCs until the switch is activated then they downshift and/or hold their gears. A program cannot replicate a downshift on a flat surface and wont hold gears completely, it'll hold it for what is considered economical. Thats why this isnt program controlled, it will downshift on the flat and revs the same whether its on the flat or going up an incline with kickdown. Heck it even holds its gears like this going down an incline and I have video proof of that!
Think sounds like 6 speed ZF
The ZFs are way more jerky. Allison gear changes are smoother and quicker
who is driving the bus please?
Someone who was probably in a hurry to get somewhere!
omg you should do sound recordings honestly @@KickdownLondon
@@Dswiftsaluteshucks wag1 g🤣🤣🤣
Damn, I can’t find soo many of your old overreving videos😓
Which ones are you after?
cbreezer15 I’m pretty sure there where more ALX400 from Abellio and Scanias, definitely remember a B7TL East Thames driven in snow aswell that I can’t find lol but yeah I’ve been about for years on your channel!!
I've had a look, think they're all up there! Thanks for being a long term viewer, really glad you appreciate the content!
EHHH WHERES THE LICENSE PLATE AT THE IMAGE!? Nah bro I’m JK,
4 wheels bus
Sound liked Yutong bus...
Why does it sound like a Euro6 ZF enviro200
That is what I thought the first time I rode one of these!
Because these buses share the same engines and if not the same then very similar