A tricky climb and some technical hill climbing tips︱Cross Training Enduro
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- www.crosstraini... A tricky climb and some technical hill climbing tips! It's a tough hill, at least for us muppets. Not a lot of run up. Steep. Tree roots. Then the second half can't be done at speed. It needs pivot turns, jumping up tree roots. Can we get up? First is Jeff. It looks good, standing and leaning forward, but backs off the throttle. It takes ages to get back down when it's this steep. Scott is next. We all have to psych ourselves up, it's very intimidating when you look up at this beast. Listen to Scott feathering the clutch to keep the 200 in the powerband. Amazing run. Lets see that again. Great clutch work, standing on the footpegs, great body positioning. Jeff again. It's all about a great start, he knows he fluffed that one. Second gear. Not enough revs, and he's heading for the tree roots. I ditch filming in case he falls down the hill.
Much better run, leg paddling for balance but still standing. Excellent. Gulp. My turn. I will sit due to my spine injury. Right up the front of the seat to prevent wheelies. Second gear. Revs high and feed in the power. Then it's time for the difficult pivot turns and jumping up little ledges. In loose soil, it takes very little to dig big holes and ruin the track fast. So I push the bike if the traction isn't good. Big jump up a tree roots here. Seat bouncing just isn't good enough, time to push again. We are jealous of how fast Scott got up this climb with a 200cc bike. He bought the smaller bike as it would force him to learn better clutch skills. It seems to be working. Lets see how Jeff is going. He has got up to the first pivot turn point. He's being very careful. It's still quite steep here. There's a chance the bike could go cartwheeling to the bottom. Very loose soil. Like me, instead of digging a hole Jeff just gets off the bike to push it across.
It's easy for a wheel to slide out on this off camber bit. Good seat bounce for traction.
That poor old clutch has had a good workout on this hill.
To get up this tree root, Jeff opts for the static zap. I badly need to practice this after my mine months off the bike.
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I Just love how supportive you are of each other.
Some great techniques on that hill. What I hate is when I’ve got a real good run and I almost make it to the top and then I stall it and roll backwards into a tree that standing there. The handle bar stops my downward descent but I get pinned can’t get off the bike and have to scream for help like a little girl.🤣
The dreaded roll backwards! Nowadays we usually remember to drop the bike, Dave. But sometimes instinct kicks in and we try to stay upright...
Hey, that sounds familiar :-)
Well, that was therapeutic! Can't wait for winter to pass! Thanks!
Our pleasure! We can't wait for summer to pass here...
Here in Tennessee, winter passes and comes back ten times (beautiful riding yesterday), but when summer arrives, it STAYS PUT.
Heck yeah! 💪🏽 Appreciate it! Just got a Husky te300i and have a lot of practicing to do.
Love to see some more vids on "track preservation". At the moment the lifespan for most new singles is two winters in vic if they get well known. I go hunting out old abandoned singles and find that after 20 years of use they never got rutted. Im not sure what changed... power delivery, riding technique, tyre tech etc. People really need to be educated on low tyre pressures and when to push or even avoid certain tracks all together in winter. We have whole riding areas where the entire single track network is one long rut.
It would be a good topic, Andrew. I should redo our training vid about how to get your bike going again when stuck. Heaps of track-friendly tips in that one...
Just made a new trail yesterday up very similar type of terrain (not as steep through!) here in Tennessee. Looked easy enough while we were cutting and clearing thorns and stuff, but wow these climbs end up being tougher than they look once on the bikes! We made it though, not too many stalls and stops, and no one tumbled back down! Thanks for this video!!!
So true, they always end up being tougher than they look! Especially on the video. 😂
Newbie here love your videos this is exactly what I need as I’m learning keep up the awesome work.
Glad they are useful, Ivy!
Like the vidoes. Don't talk negative to someone attempting their climb. It doesn't matter what line or maneover didn't work for you, they are on their own line. The time for that talk is when the whole group is at the top.
Another good video with excellent tips…..keep it up 👌
I think I love your face;)
This kind of hills is where my high compression bored and cammed XR200 81 KX125 framed hybrid was awesome in . Huge torque right from idle and light weight
My ol IT200s loved that sort of terrain (I had a DT175 Roost Boost kit that lifted the torque curve (literally it boosted the roost).
My YZ250 '97 initially made me work for it... till I discovered the previous owner had put the power valve arm in the lockout position (on the 97 there was a v on the end of the arm that could be placed over the travel stop pin, locking the arm at open so the power valve roller couldn't rotate. When I corrected that I ran the tyre off the bead locks as I was used to riding with 15 PSI and no powerband...
On my enxt bike (I still have all 3) a YZ250 '99 the powervalve was a tongue design. I cleaned that and that is ALL the engine work I did in 10 years of use (not even a ring replacement).
MAN that motor is beautiful... the shocks not so....
I made/fitted the largest flywheel weight I could (with a 6mm spacer between the cover/motor) and it climbs better than my now 50+ can handle anyways.
Years ago I tried riding an IT250 in this sort of terrain. Damn that was hard. No grunt, then a wicked powerband.
@@crosstrainingenduro Yeah we found the 250's to be a little more powerful than the 200's but way heavier.
I had a 175k and that was the lightest thing I have ever ridden... but the 200s with the front disk was great... Riding without rear breaks (as the drums would barely make it half way in to a real forest ride) made me a better rider... Hard in. Hard on the front, hard on the throttle to get round... (hard landing when any of the above failed).
Looks like a great workout! My clutch would sound like that when new. It was also grabby and didn't engage smoothly. I was running Motul Transoil as recommended in the manual. I started running 5w-40 full synthetic in it. Tim from Beta suggested I run full synthetic 10w-40. I decided to try 5w instead. Clutch engagement is buttery smooth now with no grabbing. Plates have 250 hours on them and still look decent.
well im here because this video was posted to forum where they solved problem of squealing clutch. maybe sound is because of worn out thrust bearing and washer. i have same squealing sound on my husky, and will check in coming days how my thrust bearing and washer looks.
I think a bike with a smaller engine often yields better results in some steep climbs. More clutch control required, rather than spinning the rear wheel and digging holes like we see all the time.
We've been amazed at how Scott has progressed with his clutch slipping on the little 200.
side hill and angles are your best friend to get going again.....sometimes. never good when you can hear the clutch.
Some of the best bike riders, I ride with are between 50 and 70 years of age.
That's because we already made all the mistakes in our youth...
Old age and cunning versus youthful enthusiasm!
52 here :-) We learned to ride on bikes without electronics, flexing frames, barely existing brakes, slippery tires and so on. Not that I consider myself a really good rider though. Just having fun and learning every time !
My favorite hill climbing
Can’t help to see that shiny anodised fuel cap…that’s a must!
10 extra horsepower and helps you tackle climbs at least 10 degrees steeper...
Well done Jeff,hill climbs like that aint easy!
And they look so flat in the vid lol. Bloody Gopro....
@@crosstrainingenduro same problem,im sure my fnone-riding friends think i cant ride😀
i would love to buy the 200 again. my last one was an 05 and i didnt like the engine's characteristics. maybe the 36 carb is better than the 38 my bike had
Doesnt have to take forever to get down the hill! There's always a fast out of contol way to get down haha
I can vouch for this method... it's fast! But it did also mean a week in hospital and nine months off the bike. 😂
not easier to get w portable winch? or go around? ;)
This sounds just like i like it! ✊🏻💨💨
We love this stuff, Tony. We usually just ride past the fast climbs that need wide open throttle all the way.
No run up in 2nd, load that flywheel! Braaaaap
Wow I have never heard a clutch sound like that before. The usual clutch issues my group deals with are either snapped lever or cable, or the clutch stops working altogether. Did he need to replace his clutch after this ride?
We think it was just overheating... no weird sounds on the following rides.
@@crosstrainingenduro my old 2004 Husaberg 450 would make a similar noise when getting worked up a hill, apparently common for that model but never had an issue (well, besides the annoying sound).
@@YOUBOGAN check your thrust bearing and washer in your clutch assembly. they maybe worn out.
Were you in second gear that whole time you were getting up that hill?
I can't remember now, it was ages ago. Probably first...
if wet and muddy how to ride up? 😁
I see Jeff's radiator guard went west, I cable tie mine, after loosing some. Gotta the mountain goat beta, low down tractable, I need more of those climbs for practice, I do lots of hard enduro on rocks, loamy stuff is a challenge. Thanks Barry, best wishes continuing healing mate
We always forget to cable tie those radiator guards in lol.
You could benefit by dropping rear tire pressure all the way down to 2-3 psi with Tubliss. Additionally this is one of the scenarios where a Rekluse auto clutch is of considerable benefit. Just put the bike in second gear and modulate rear wheel torque with the throttle. The 300’s and 500’s have enough low end torque to pull the steepest climbs in second when fitted with the autoclutch. Less chance of looping out or digging a hole. The real advantage is that it is easier for most of us to manage the rear contact patch and maximize torque transfer to the ground this way. Best when paired with a LHRB. You can mock me for using a crutch if you want. I just go with what works best for me. Of course the top 10% riders will prefer the standard clutch. I just want to get up the hill.
I agree, Garth. Most of us are only running about 3psi with the TUbliss. I actually started this channel years ago using a Rekluse on my FE570 so I could keep it geared high for adventure riding but do snotty enduro trails too. Great for traction! But eventually I opted for trying to learn clutch skills in the meantime. I'll probably go back to one when my aging fingers complain too much!
Cte do you guys adjust the carb setting on your betas? I hear the fuel economy is not too good due to the carb?
We had a really good dealer who sets them up for our conditions. We barely use half a tank doing our slow snotty trails so I don't know about the economy. Sometimes it can be from that dumb float level at the factory leaking fuel a lot.
CCs of the bike don't make the rider.
Nice fun guys!
Cheers Brian 😊
How do you like those fancy pegs?
Ah, I know zis Hill!
I am yet to meet its top section 🙃
Monsieur, vous etes trop gentil! You merely try to may us... 'ow you say?.... feel better by pretending monsieur cannot get up ze hill.
How old are you? Your voice doesn't sound too young, but you ride better than a lot of guys in their 20s (including this one)!
Cheers, Jeff and I aren't far off 60. Scott is in his late 20s.
I did climbs like that on my Yamaha tt600 in 1986.
When things get really tough just run beside the bike till you get up the hill, not that hard...
If l could add a photo I would.
You young people, are so soft now days, with your upside down forks and all your soft protection clothing, all we wore were jeans and a jumper
Rad section. What are the trees called that his back tire is resting on at 5:22?
It's a grass tree.... very common along our east coast. They grow very slowly and can be hundreds of years old. For years they were called 'black boys' but in these politically correct times we sometimes say 'indigenous male youth' instead. 😎
@@crosstrainingenduro They're absolutely gorgeous! I remember them from my time visiting Australia on our honeymoon years ago. I always wondered what they were called. Thank you!!
Wot kind of 200 was it
KTM 200EXC.
Aye Ill challenge one of you guys on my old TS185 1982..... lets do a vid... I get 1 second head start for each year my bike has on your Euro Trash
I'm waiting
He's got youth on his side
How do you like those pegs?
On which bike?
Sorry- red Beta.✌️
They are both read and white Betas. Do you you mean the one I'm riding and filming on? Or the other one?
Yes, your bike. The pegs look similar to the Air EXTs.
Great video btw… I’ve been practicing the static zap whenever in the gnarly stuff.
Gotcha. Fastway 'ankle saver' pegs. We've done a review vid.
Why? Doesn't look like much fun to me.
Jeff couldn't make it up the hill because he was wearing your silly gloves
Wait till he buys his new elbow-length ones in pink satin and red sequins.
You're hardly a muppet, I like your real life riding tips. You should probably tuck your necklace inside your shirt, crazier things have happened than a tree limb grabbing it.
I agree. Not sure who was wearing a necklace though? Speaking of weird things, Jeff had a low speed crash and had his neck trapped between the bike and a tree and couldn't breathe or move the bike. Thankfully I was right behind him.
@@crosstrainingenduro My mistake, I thought I seen a necklace bouncing in front of camera. Keep up the good work, I enjoy your channel.
Amateurs ........... 🤣😂