Zunesha being condemned to walk always felt weird But realizing he's actually being punished by being forced to walk over the ruins of the ancient world he used to live in is devastating
One piece has always been that to me, Oda is trying to tell us 😂 I also think haki is real like it’s our life energy and Jesus was JoyBoy aka Christ consciousness
They should start calling him "Noland the Truther" Like that was something I just recently thought of; If the world believes the lie that Noland said "the island must have sunk" and mocked him.... but then they can't disbelieve the world is sinking then by their perspective "Noland must have been telling the truth"
When I saw Miss Goldenweek and the background character said: "How many people died during the flood?", I thought back to Whiskey peak and the gravestones that make up the Cactus Mountains. During Whiskey peak it was implied that these were gravestones for the victims of the bounty hunters, right? However these mountains were far too big and there were way to many gravestones for it to be the result of bounty hunters, especially Baroque Works imo. These guys were not nearly competent enough to kill so many. What if these gravestones are memorials for the people who died during the flood all these centuries ago and Baroque Works just added some to them?
Whiskey Peak is what really got me into OP, the landscape glooming with grave stones was cool af but grim… looking back know… bounty Hunter killing that many people now seems false and yeah Brouqe Works definitely twisted the truth….
The big straw hat in ims collection to me means joyboy died in his giant form everything in luffy clothes expands he got that rubber domain expansion lol in the silhouette of 1115 joyboy looks strikingly like luffy. If the D clan is linked to joyboy and IMs eternal clash of ideals (rocks, bb) and there is this real will as Lili spoke of then I feel like history is repeating itself, luffy commanding all races likes he's tryna be MLK, aka joyboy, toki toki did something to make this timeline occur under ims nose I think the sun god champions freedom so it makes sense for giants, lunerians Fishmen cyborgs etc to be Un afraid of a sun god the Nika of freedom 👊
But if joy boy was a giant, i think he was way too OP since luffy around 1.7m can transform into a giant that around 20m in his gear 5th. Therefore if joy boy was a giant around 20m, then he can transform into a monster around 200m in his gear 5th🤣🤣🤣
One piece humans have a pretty long life span they ain't capped at the 80 to 100 year mark though for anyone living past a hundred I cant imagine them being that strong given white beard in his 70s was weaker than his prime
I somehow got the Feeling luffy will wear the Giant robot as a suit. There were so many chapters where he freaked out about using armor, even when they got eaten by the seaturtle @start of skypia arc, he used that broken knightarmor :D - maybe foreshadowing of armored luffy riding zunesha?😄
You do speak in poneglyphs JB, and I'm sure many of us can't help but smile every time we hear you do. You just verbalized something I have been thinking for quite some time: One Piece does exist and White Beards speech before his death was prophetic. We all sense somethings coming in our real world, and so much of the One Piece world has a real world correspondence on a Hermetic level its like I'm reading the real world past and glimpsing into the future with every chapter from here on out in the story. I think we should all actually start to believe that by the time the One Piece is found and the global war breaks out, One Piece will show us the path we need to take for a happy ending the story (or at least this cycle). But even if we fail, then at least our collective dream of making One Piece real will be carried on in the future, and it will come true the next cycle of our Hero's Journey. The age of Aquarius is here, it's literally in the airwaves. Oda intentionally made Vegapunk look like Einstein but gave him the dream of Tesla. Two sides of the same coin thing again. We see the possible 1984 Brave New World and the JoyBoy Utopia for our real world infront of us as One Piece unfolds and reveals its world.
11:03 I wouldn't say all those people were necessarily "inspired" by the mono-myth. It's literally just one of the best ways to tell a good story so storied get told that way. That's the point of what Joseph Campbell did he just pointed out most result good myths have the same narrative structure. Also as to your second point I think you would be very interested to read about proto-indo-european mythology. It's a hypothesized set of myths that would have existed around 10000BC and possibly influenced basically every religion in the world today. They have a sky god who wield lightning killing a snake as an example. Sound familiar? This is something that happens in basically every religion out there from Japan, to Norse, to the bible, and Hinduism. It's very interesting if you like researching mythology. Also the lion king is almost 1 for 1 based on hamlet not the mono-myth specifically
Love the content Joyboy The hidden Den Den Mushi is in the Giant Robot Vegapunk stashed it in the Robot in Ch 1066 a day before the other Vegpunks would know
Demaro Black now cosplaying as Kid is absolutely hilarious 😂😂 Man the lore drop in this chapter was nuts Lore Piece has me hyped even when there's no fighting I guess Global Warning is real in the One piece universe too Joy Boy must've been an absolute monster where all the 20 ancient kingdom have to team up together to beat him Oda stop with the blue balls show us Imu already lol
Surely JB was a monster, definitely. But the 20 kings as VP said, united because of JB himself and his faction. Surely his home kingdom and a bunch of other races. 🙌🏼🔥
Aight brotha I’m back lol sweet video…so since the world sank 800 years ago does this kinda hint at Fishman island being the ancient kingdom? Arlong even said that they evolved from humans back in arlong park! 🤯 the King and Shirohoshi r also both half giant so they could b related to joyboy in some way no? Plus is that giant robot maybe an ancient weapon? If I were the governament I’d try to recreate the weapons if I could…hence Kuma being a cyborg/Robot…Vegapunk didn’t have the tech to make a sentient robot so he had to make one from a living being 🤯🤯🤯
Greatest Joe rogan experience ever. I listen to Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock on there separately and together. I replay to episodes every nowandthen lol
Damn you're the only RUclipsr I'd get off of grayjay and back to the RUclips website to type a comment. Joe and Graham Hancock would be proud. I was thinking of the intense parallels between both their story and odas for years since he's come out and spoke about ancient civilizations and the great flooding event
Vegapunk is being unbiased, but the theme of OP has shown us both good and bad pirates, and both good and bad marines. Saying either is bad or good would be untrue. This leads me to believe Emu is "bad" for a good reason. I think Oda has done a good job of blurring the lines and has done this intentionally.
heard this a lot and it makes 0 sense. nobody in their right mind would build a tower where the worst criminals are at the bottom in the least secure floor
We just learned that the sea level rose with 200 meters, if every firing of Imu's weapon makes it go up by 1 meter that means it was fired 200 times. That should leave 200 holes all over the world, which we clearly don't see. So this means that the holes fill up with water given enough time, which makes sense cause we see water flowing in. But the real question is where does the destroyed land go? I think the key is in the fact that after the firing we get earthquakes, what are earthquakes? They are the movement of tectonic plates, but why are these moving? Maybe the islands don't just magically disappear but they get pushed into the crust of the earth. Of course after 200 islands getting pushed in these plates would have increased in size and started to push against each other. When tectonic plates push against each other they start to form mountain ranges, what if this is what the redline is. That would explain why it has so many different climates, cause it is a combination of the 200 destroyed islands. And that is why it is called pangea castle, cause the red line is all the combined islands.
I have an idea for the red line and the sea level rising. Okay, I've actually been thinking about this for a while now, even before this chapter, and I'm surprised more people haven't made the link (or maybe I just suck at looking for theory videos). Basically: -uranus is kind of like a giant laser that is fired from above (maybe from a facility in one of the moons) that penetrates really deep. -Uranus was used during the void century and left a line of destruction where the red line currently is, ripping through the very crust of the world on one piece. -the magma from beneath the crust kept coming up like a massive underground volcano (which is actually one of the first things that made think of this, since right after reaching the grand line Nami started talking about underground volcanoes out of nowhere and Oda is known for leaving clues that don't become relevant until much later) -the magma rising up made what is now the red line, which would have displaced massive amounts of sea water during its formation as it came out from underneath the sea up until it breached the water's surface (after which it could have kept growing taller without having as much of an effect on sea levels. -using uranus recently to destroy an island might also have disrupted the crust again and lead to another underwater volcano like thing happening and sea level rise, but on a smaller scale.
What truly happened though was more battles , blood and raids to other people and islands.Piracy could never save the whole world like the Marines for instance haven't saved all of it.I think in the end there won't be anything honestly.
I love how vegapunk doesn't make the decision for you about who was right and who was wrong between joyboy and the world government, he just admits he doesn't know everything and shares the information in a non bios way allowing people to think for themselves. I love it and tbh he skyrocketed to my favorite one piece character
How can they even live in the grand line? It’s on the paradise side, but still, they believe nothing out of the ordinary, in a world as crazy as One Piece. 😆
I do wonder if Oda is trying to tell us something in real life.. like does he really know the truths of Atlantis, is there really a great treasure in the world and what is it, or is there something he knows about the world that the civilization the world doesn't know about. That would be deeeeep as hell!!!
Yooo JB! I've had this Longshot loaded in the headcannon for a while now, and since Vegapunk's message started, I think it is now or never to spread this theory to world alongside Vegapunk. There are many points to contradict this theory, but recent chapters seem to literally make all the connections I once thought to be separate, connected. Here it is, sir. For you & our community of tinfoil!!! Joy Boy = Imu • Consider the perspective that VP is speaking about. He has 2 subjects that he is debating between. At first, it comes off as the 2 being the world government & Joy Boy. But I'm arguing that it is Imu & Joy Boy. Edit: please consider giving the time to read the theory in full by reading the following replies to this comment by myself. The post was too large to be posted in one singular thread.
• Consider the perspective that VP is speaking about. He has 2 subjects that he is debating between. At first, it comes off as the 2 being the world government & Joy Boy. But I'm arguing that it is Imu & Joy Boy. - VP's first words warn for listeners to not jump to conclusions, because he himself does not know between the holistic right and wrong of what he has learned and is sharing to the world. He immediately follows this warrant by implying that the WG has the supreme power before cutting away to instead tell of history, and a man within that history, Joy Boy. What VP is actually telling is in between the lines is that Imu is pulling the strings, however, he may not be wrong in his way of doing so. Thus, VP begins the tale of the Rise of Joy Boy, and his Fall to become the one atop the empty throne. - with that point, please bring to mind Rayleigh telling the Straw Hats that when they learn the truth of this world, they will come to their own conclusion on what they believe should be done. VP is telling the world not only a part of history, but providing us readers our first true insight into what Imu believes, or perhaps once BELIEVED. Now we start thinking how could this be possible, and begin debating past plot points we have been shown over years. Let's examine some... • The straw hat on ice. This is Imu's hat. A symbol he keeps as a token of his past self, and reminder of why he is on the current path he has been set on for centuries. - this provides a legitimate and personable reason why the straw hat is kept, and eliminates a need to connect another character to Imu in a way that quite frankly isn't weird. "Ohhh yeah lemme just keep this straw hat on the chiller and use it as a scenic piece to brood on like I'm on Game of Thrones." Lol -"the straw hat doesn't fit, it's clearly for a giant/buccaneer." We can dispute this because in the world of one piece characters can drastically alter appearances. Powers, time, aging, psyche, etc. can be applied to a change in appearance. This theory argues that Imu was cursed in some way, and this is the cause of the appearance change, and more. We will div
We will dive deeper later. •The 20 kings and war with the Ancient Kingdom. -"The story clearly states that Imu was one of the 20 kings and therefore can not be counted as 1 of the same as JB; their must be 21 heads counted here." -we do not actually have concrete, in- depth evidence to fully substantiate that claim. Due to this, we can argue from a couple angles at least. We can agree that the ancient kingdom was 1, but 20 rose flags against the 1. In this case, JB is the 1, and 20 are kings in revolt. With the number 21, it actually does not make a difference whether or not Imu lays within the 20, or the 1. (It's like that wolf card game lol.) You can easily mess these numbers up by saying that Imu was part of the 20, but had the moniker as Joy Boy, thus being exiled & becoming the 1, with another king replacing the 1 that was lost. Recall that it was just confirmed that JB set sail as the first pirate as we know it, meaning he was excommunicated, and we do not know JB's actual name. What we do know is that there was a Joy Boy, and there was an Imu. Another possibility that could fit here involves something along the line of a devil fruit ability that would take over Joy Boy's will and/or body. I will touch upon this later, but it would be an alternative if Imu Nerona was, in the past, a separate entity from
•Zunesha, the accomplice to Joy Boy's final act before descending to darkness. -zunesha has been walking the seas for 800 years, as ordered by Joy Boy. We have been told this is because of a crime that Zunesha committed. This is not a lie, but our is not the whole truth. A true friend will never betray a true friend. Consider what is atop of Zunesha. The minks, and the whale. In the Zou arc, the minks allowed Jack to do what he did while not wavering at all in order to defend the legend Raizo. The whale symbolizes the only other parallel we have to this situation, that being Brook & Laboon. JB is to Brook as Zunesha is to Laboon. JB, now Imu, is still living according to a plan set in motion a long time ago, and does indeed long for the day to be reunited with his friend. Even death does not sway the yearning to meet the friend who was lost. (Side theory here, but Bink's Sake to me is the All Blue, that which is delivered to Laboon by the redline crumbling. When the redline comes down, Brook will fall into the ocean, and Laboon will save him. ) What I'm arguing with this point is that Zunesha was the one who was with Joy Boy when he "died." Zunesha is the only one that knows he never physically died, but instead was taken to the Eve Tree, where he died spiritually in exchange for something. That something is unknown to me, but I imagine it relates to essentially what is the current events of the story, and him being able to drive the world in this specific direction over time. •The ancient robot, activating 200 years ago. - we have witnessed Zunesha's response to the drums of liberation, and also the ancient robot's response. The awakening of the Nika fruit is synonymous to the drums. The Nika fruit is also synonymous to the mother flame. I have proposed so far that Joyboy had the Nika fruit, and that something happened by choice that forced a change to Joy Boy's person. I am not certain what event specifically incited the robot's activation. What we do know, is that this robot woke, and beelined to Mary Geios. Imu was atop Mary Geios. It is my belief that the robot was called to the drums. Yes, I believe the Nika fruit was still somehow with Imu 200 years ago. However, there is more to it.... - the 5 Gorosei have been introduced in their full-forms allegedly. Their title cards to not have devil fruits, but instead have a yokai or demon theme. We do not know the depths/ lengths the story will take in this direction, but as of now, it is not farfetched to talk in terms of demons, devils, curses and the like. It may be legitimately possible that a humans soul may be extracted and/or overcome by a devil or demon. Yes, I am saying that Imu is no longer human in soul. When Joy Boy, the man with the devil fruit of dreams, imagination, freedom & liberty, left Lily atop the back of Zunesha, he was on his way to willingly give his soul and become a thing of nightmares, with the goal in mind that could only be accomplished by having immortality & ruling over those he once fought against in order to one day accomplish what he dreamed, only to learn over hundreds of years that he was tricked into living a nightmare.
•The apology letter poneglyph at Fishman Island. -I will try to keep this one short & simple lol. Joyboy was allied with the Fishman, and as time went on, as Joy Boys dreams began to falter, he had the Noah built. At some point whe. He made the decision to leave the world behind, he knew that his alliance with the Fishman would be sacrificed, not part of his deal, but as collateral. He was able to cope with this because, as the theory keeps in mind, Joy Boy made his decision based on his opinion after learning the truth of the world. JB thought he was making the correct choice & would one day come back to fulfill his allegiances he made, similar to Zunesha. My personal highest hope for this theory coming true is for the emotional payoff that will occur during Luffy's clash with Imu. The prophecy of Luffy bringing down the Red Line onto Fishman Island is a red herring to the readers, and means something different that will be revealed to us alongside the truth of the world (I think.) What makes this special inside the scope of this theory is that Imu will have the personal revelation that Luffy actually inherited the will of Nika, and the original will that Imu retained while as Joy Boy. This be a major "oh sh*t moment for Imu when homie is watching that big fist being fired his way lol.
•The Nika Form. -the black silhouette, the red eyes. We have only seen Imu as a silhouette to this point, and a key feature of luffy in 5tb gear is the Nika pose as a silhouette. The art when luffy attacks is clearly creating a consistent theme in showing the piercing red eyes within his shadowed body. This highlights the same core power between Luffy & Imu. •Modern Day, Luffy, and The Straw Hat Pirates. - we have seen how lucky Luffy has been throughout the series, and how current events such as Kuma's backstory have affected Luffy's protected growth by outside sources. However, we have also witnessed what the WG is truly capable of. Let us examine Marineford. By this time in the story, Luffy had renown, and the world knew of both his straw hat and his devil fruit. Opinions of these things could vary, but it would be naive of us readers to say that Imu was caught unawares to the reveal of the gum gum fruit being the Nika Nika fruit. We also know for fact that the straw hat is some sort of symbol that retains value to Imu ay the least. The points made in this theory back the idea of the straw hat being exclusively special to Imu, and that Luffy's fruit was Imu's in the past. You could say that Luffy has been barely just out of reach of Imu & the WG the whole time of the story taking place. So again, let us look at Marineford. If Imu really wanted Luffy dead, then Luffy would have died there. "Ohhh they issued the order to prevent luffy awakening at Onigashima, so the point is moot." No. Two things can be true at once. Imu issued the order during the raid, but no order was given at Marineford. These circumstances can absolutely be used as warrants that Imu was content in letting Luffy rise. Imu has been watching luffy throughout his entire adventure, living vicariously through luffy. For the last 2 years, Luffy has shown Imu what life can be if you embody freedom and pursue your dreams. For 2 years, Imu has had new conflict brought before him. What has changed since Marineford to Wano Kuni? Vegapunk created a pseudo- Mother Flame. Imu was allowing Luffy to grow and awaken in order to cull him and make him repeat the cycle that he was a part of 800 years ago. But now Imu does not need Luffy for his mother flame ability. More so, Imu has now become intimidated by Luffy and his display of power & ideals. Imu is not scared of Luffy for shallow reasons. Imu is scared of Luffy because he had been shown the truth that Luffy will find before he found it. Imu is scared of Luffy because Imu had learned that Luffy is the true embodiment of the Sun God Nika, the one who deserves the title of Joy Boy. A title that Imu did not deserve.
Jb you are the first RUclipsr that I watch that has made the connection between one piece and the real world conspiracy theory of a mass flood and the powers that be. It’s all very interesting and it’s something I’ve been toying with myself for quite a while now.
Well, here in Argentina there are some points where there is a lot of connection with energies. Certain hills in Córdoba (especially Uritorco) are currently inhabited by religious temples from France, Buddhists, etc.; where many things are investigated. This hill mentioned is an increasingly commercial site, in fact before you could climb and camp for free (I have done it) and now they charge you outrageous tourist prices. In our reality, the "emptying" of our ancestral times is sometimes related to that: the current consumption system, which leads to a lack of interest in those things. And as we believe, if what happened tends to repeat itself, and that we also have to learn from it, then we are going in reverse with our technologies, which are sometimes intended to control us. Greetings jb!
Speaking of the Hero’s Journey I’ve always loved that the Oden flashback is a mini Hero’s Journey that genuinely reads and feels like an old myth/legend.
I think the ancient weapons were initially designed by the ancient kingdom for the explicit purpose of destroying the red line and terraforming the planet to their liking. The allied kings opposed this idea, probably either on the grounds that they wanted that power for themselves for offensive purposes, or that they didn't trust the ancient kingdom with it (the dark forest paradox, they can't know the true intentions of the ancient kingdom with these all powerful weapons, so it's rational for them to take it down as a preventative form of self-defense). Whatever the case, their purpose was re-contextualized to be super weapons and that's how people view them in the current world; a macro version of Franky designing ships that were later used for evil. Luffy and/or Sanji will use them to fulfill the goals of Joyboy, erase the entire red line, lower the water level by draining all this flood water (that's about to get a lot higher) into the empty space that was previously the red line, creating the all blue, and leveling the world out so nobody can divide & conquer from above like Imu and the celestial dragons, or anyone else. As for the ideals Vegapunk spoke of, I think he might be referring to freedom vs. order, or something in that ballpark. The ancient kingdom being free to the point of it posing a threat to all life (devil fruits, ancient weapons, think of the havoc this kind of technology presents if just anyone can access it), and the 20 allied nations fearing that level of freedom. Or it could just be the existing aristocracy (people like Garling, Imu and the gorosei) defending their power and higher stature against a kingdom that would seek to get rid of those power imbalances, upending the structure they're accustomed to.
To me the ideologies are Freedom and Control/Security. We see that Nika can change his body and do anything, he is completely free, but this idea on a broader scale can be dangerous because if everyone is free to do and go as they please, chaos can ensue and might ultimately makes right where only the strong survive and can be free as they want. An example is Rock's crew, they are all strong and live free, but they also kill each other and it's one step away from anarchy. Beehive Island and Mocktown seem to operate on similar notions where so long as you're strong enough you can do what you want. We have seen in our world where acts of terror and violence cause people to be willing to give up their freedom in exchange for security and safety, and this allows for the protection of the weak by giving up their own wills to another who in turn agrees to protect them. Joyboy himself may be a source of good overall, but those he inspires to be free and take to the seas may not share that goodness, and the level of danger the ancient weapons pose, or just the fear of the ancient kingdom's technology caused people to band together and give up their freedom to be safe. The 20 kings may very well have been mostly good rulers but they gained power and were slowly corrupted by it. Having the power to destroy or reshape the world certainly makes you like a god, so that may be the origins of this belief. Another thing to consider, perhaps Zunesha's crime was allowing Imu access to Uranus, like Zunesha helped ferry it around. Given her height being in charge of an aerial weapon would make sense. Also if what is left as islands are just basically high plateaus and mountaintops, it would explain the lack of knowledge as most of these "islands weren't places a lot of people lived but rather where people fled to, bringing what they could. We do know some locations like Alabasta, Dressrosa, and such were much older than 800 years hence their larger populations as well they were most likely far bigger. Green Bit was likely reachable by land, and perhaps given the shape of Dressrosa island it was just a large mountain city/fortress. The 4 blues likely each housed one of the continents and explain Tequila Wolf since the bridge likely isn't having it's support pillars below 200 meters, so it would originally have been able to go by land, and a Celestial Dragon in the past just wanted to travel to a location by land like before and ordered the bridge.
The theory about the third sea and the current world being on old sky island reminds of Library of Ohara's theory of the One Piece, where long story short Roger's last quote means something along the lines of "I left everything the world has to offer at the bottom" refering to the hole from Enies Lobby
I absolutely love that you brought up the Younger Dryas event!!! I’ve been looking into all of these things and seeing how many parallels Oda has made to these historic events, especially with it being such taboo knowledge! Everything from the Enuma Elish to Gilgamesh! 🔥🔥 I love that other people see it as well, super cool
Another thing Vegapunk can share is teh name of the ancient kingdom, Ohara knew it, especially Clover and as Vegapunk said he shall only state facts without any notion of good, evil or personal value, teh name is such a thing he could share. As for Kaku and Stucy, I can imagine Kaku returnign to Iceberg at some point, asking for forgiveness and getting taken back in after explaining himself. I have the impression he actually liked Galley La, Iceberg and Water 7, maybe Stucy will go with him? Or perhaps something Luffy does will give her the realisation that she is free and doesn't need to have a purpose, which ironically may give her another in terms of aiding Luffy.
I think joyboy flooded the world… he lost the battle so he took the prize of victory away from the world government. You can be the victors if nothing.
Absolutely incorrect. The world doesn’t know Imu exists and that the gorosei are demons. Clearly they won, they brainwashed marines and other celestial dragons. They erased Rocks from history, call pirates “evil” although the world government is the one destroying islands, enslaving citizens, limiting resources for islands and hunting humans for fun.
Lol so you are saying that joyboy killed millions of people and sinked many countries just because he lost the battle? That perfectly fit for a 'warrior of liberation'😂
Also explains why the merfolk were are discriminated against so much, because they may have already known the truth just from living amidst the ruins of the old world. I'm surprised Vegapunk wasn't a fish man honestly.
We are cooking en fuego with all this lore and cameos So yes, the flood; Gilgamesh, Noah, Manu, Mithra, Deucalion, the flood myth is a staple of most mythology and religion in order to vindicate the strength and wrath of gods. The flood myth I find important and pertinent right now however is Ragnarok, we're going to Elbaf after all and there's much Norse parallels to it, but the way Ragnarok's flood is described feels apt "the sun becomes black and the earth sinks into the sea". Still, 200 meters! That's immense, so much must be underwater. It explains why Wano put up walls probably to prevent it happening again, every island was once a mountain. I've been loving the cameos, nice to see Carrot again (though I wish she was at Egghead), surprised that we panned to Miss Goldenweek, but I laughed hard at the fact that Demaro Black is now cosplaying as Kid XD also Foxy. It seems telling that there'll likely be more revelations to come though; the Cross Guild haven't reacted to it yet, wonder how many other faces we'll see again; Gaimon? Bon Clay? Arlong? Krieg? Kuro? Morgan? Rayleigh? Perona? Moria? Many to choose from Much of the Joy Boy reveals are stuff we've already assumed, but it was nice to confirm it; Joy Boy did in fact lose in the fight against the 20 kingdoms (now that I think of it, we've shown cameos to a lot of world leaders too; Zou, Alabasta, Germa, Sakura, Black Drum, Wano, Fishman Island, perhaps we're showing that the 20 kingdoms cannot unite the same way they can before). There are few things more horrifying to learn though than that there was an intense war a thousand years ago, and then get told 'it's still not over'. Every person is either an active pawn or collateral to this battle. To be fair, Doflamingo said it 'the victors of this war will become justice' - just as much as the WG make themselves heroes. History is only told by the victors, and those who didn't have theirs erased The Gorosei were quire active this chapter with their Haki, and Vegapunk's message has came to the Straw Hats and Bonney's benefit since it's splitting their priorities. Franky came in clutch to save Bonney (rough landing for Sanji) but they were fortunate that V. Nusjuro left to slice the Labophase in half. Still, they're in more of a mood to kill to try and pinpoint the broadcast snail, and I don't think it's anywhere in Egghead anyway. The CP agents and Seraphim are falling though, the former's chances don't look good and the Navy are already starting to clock on the 'are we the baddies?' suggestion, will be interesting where we go there. I suspect the Seraphim will be used more by the WG, since the Pacifista are now compromised. Very concerned that Ju Peter has been absent, either Oda regrets wormy or he's doing sneaky Sanji-esque stuff... Kaku's silence is interesting too, with Stussy mulling that she has nothing left to live for. I still can't rule out that Lucci will try to kill her, but perhaps this is the stage for all three of them to just, wash their hands and get out of the fire. Still, the chapter - which had some gorgeous panels - was again more for the lore than the action, but it has led me to two theories; one is an easy one - Laugh Tale is underwater, preserved in a bubble like Fishman Island, which is why it's unable to be found on a map or by sailing aimlessly. The second, juicier theory is that I think I figured out Blackbeard's plans for it; his fruits can part the sea and absorb anything, he may be planning to raise Laugh Tale to the surface, and then there's Pizzaro - being able to control an island, or a supercontinent? - I think Blackbeard means to raise the ancient world from the sea and control it, therefore establishing dominion over the world; the ability to warp, create plague, invisibility, shapeshifting, these are all powers selected because of how they can be enforced into an empire.
Irrelevant but my favorite Joseph Campbell quote came from an interview where he’s asked about his opinion as to why there are so many myths throughout history that tell the same story despite vast distances, both spatial and temporal, between these societies. He answered, “for me there exists 2 possibilities, either the human psyche is bound by certain modes of thinking and these myths are the natural limits of our storytelling or that something exists beyond our conscious experience that is capable of feeding these stories to us over time.” The ladder has always made more sense to me
Whoaaa!!! I’ve always said the same thing! I’ve wondered if giants, long leg tribe and all the oddly shaped people of one piece were from bioengineering!! I’m sure other people have thought that just never heard anyone else say it!
If old joyboy was king of the ancient kingdom then he must have wanted to do so. Luffy doesn't want to rule over anyone, he wants to be free and kick evil's ass. So that's the difference and the answer to the universe, or something. A wise man once said "Freedom is scary, deal with it." that man being The Civil Rights Lawyer on youtube.
You know, this reveal about the ancient weapons causing the world flood helps support this theory about the Uranus ancient weapon being quite possibly a weather control device. Pluton is a warship capable of destroying islands, Poseidon is a mermaid that can command the Sea Kings, both of them don't exactly strike me as weapons capable of raising the sea level by 200 meters in a century. But Uranus, the last ancient weapon yet to be revealed could potentially be the one that changed the world of One Piece long ago. One could say that the weapon is still active and was raising the water level constantly for a 1000 years. It did raised the water level by 200 meters, that depth alone would still allow divers to find ruins, but in a 1000 years the water level should reach up to 2 km by now, which is too deep to reach without a submarine. I can only hope Robin can finish what her people started and rediscover the true history of the world.
the one piece world from a geographic point of view is so insanely written by oda, also it confirms that fishman island was a city that rightfully belonged in the surface and the fishman lived amongst all races freely until the great flood, also it explains how the old wano was completed drowned.
You always apologize for going too deep into history or conspiracy but that’s my favorite part about your videos! Is how you relate it to one piece. I believe one piece is the greatest story ever written because it relate so much to our reality.
Miss Goldenweek apple might be a reach, when the Navy streamed Doflamingos defeat one of the neighboring islands was Applenine. A lot of the citizens had an apple on their head
I like the idea the joy boy was just like Luffy, he wanted to be free, we don't know anything about the ancient world and it's rules but maybe he was considered a pirate not because he was the first to set to the see but because he broke free of the rules/taboos of the time and gained a following. One reason for not destroying the ancient weapons could very well be that he didn't have all of them under control, like, if the WG had Uranus you needed the others to counter, just like nuclear weapons irl.
I think joyboy flooded the planet, since well the reason the world government may have been warring with him was for the ancient weapons. The heck, might as well assume he caused the moons to fall.
Vegapunk: "The kingdom Joy Boy came from was more advanced than even my technology. How did they achieve this? Have you ever heard of ancient astronaut theory?"
One pic i noticed was a girl wearing an apple hat, i feel she is either just a fan of Vega Punk or she might be a back up body who is caring the den den mushi transmiting.
So Imu was called the creator of this world bc he sank it, and literally created the current world. Imu possibly from culture of sea ppl rather than the bucaneers Also i wonder if Imu's family was possibly casted out and made to live out at sea like how kurozumi were persecuted and made to live outside of the capital, but imu made the whole world live on the seas essentially and now he sits on top of the highest piece of land
I still find it a bit of a plot hole that nobody in-universe ever talks about the pre-void century. As you say, the ancient kingdom is implied to have existed for longer than 900 years... So why is it news to anyone? Or the layout of the world, its geography. The general geography from >900 years ago should be at least loosely knowable.
They talk about it in Alabasta a lot. Alubarna palace is 4000 years old. But the history of most of the other places with long records would probably have been destroyed.
After watching this video, I actually get some kinda vision of a timeline. 1. Joyboy want to explore the world so he go to the sea 2. He befriend a lot of kingdom including people from the moon with advanced technology 3. With the technology, joyboy crew becoming the strongest and then they make a new kingdom with joyboy as the king 4. Joyboy doesn't care about conquering the world but one of his crew do 5. The crew then betraying joyboy by telling other kingdom including lily that joyboy planning to destroy or conquering the world with his advanced weapon 6. At first, they didn't believe it, but the crew used an ancient weapon to frame joyboy so other kingdom will join him in defeating joyboy 7. Joyboy lost because he more or less fighting the kingdoms he befriended before. 8. After they win, the crew making a proposal about moving to the top of redline and becoming celestial dragon. 9. Without telling the celestial dragon, the crew then continue using the ancient weapon to destroy other kingdom that opposing them, and later creating the void century after the crew finally 'conquering' the world, resulting in the current one piece world. 10. Lily heard about the truth and decided to spread the poneglyph that telling the truth
With this timeline, ancient weapon actually joyboy's friend with advanced modification is still possible. Joyboy doesn't need to be a race with long age because he lost early and the rest of the century is just the betrayer conquering the world with ancient weapon before they ran out of fuel.
For anyone curious; it appears we share many World Myths because they originate from a common source. Comparative Mythology/Religion is the science of this. Flood myths seems to originate in Africa and traveled with us during our migrations. We can tell it must be that old because even the Aboriginals have these myths and their group seperated long, long ago.
Graham Hancock has an interesting theory, books and documentary on Netflix that addresses ancient advanced civilizations that possibly had knowledge about astrology, map working and were seafaring...civilizations of which most of them were possibly washed off the face of the earth by glacier after the previous ice age, that raised sea levels to an extent of submerging most of the land. Oh and Graham recently had a debate about it on the joe rogan podcast. For some reason, this chapter reminds me of his findings.
I once in high school took a class called hero’s and I’m kind of surprised that all these people don’t know after reading manga and all types of other books and movies
We might reaction shots from Buggy, Shanks and BB next chapter, Buggy and Croc hearing bout the ancient weapons might make buggy bring up captain johns armband to Crocodile and Mihawk to see if that will help find the ancient weapons, Shanks might reminisce on vegapunk's joyboy speech and remember something that roger told him when he shanks starting crying and With Vegapunk announcing the ancient weapons this now opens up the door for Blackbeard to hear Caribou out for the ancient weapons as before the BBP weren't interested in any such thing especially since they may know of his Gabiru antics and thinks he has ties to the Revs or Sword
1. The mic is 10000000000000000000000x much better then before maybe a little finetuning but it's awsome gg for the new mic :) 2. "Because we didn't learn anything new". This is the point where i say that it's our own fault but i am at the same feeling right now tbh because of a the lot of hours that we put in too theorize about almost everything... :D 3. A Face reveal would be awsome but i would say this is a moment where it would be too obvious. A character that we knew NOTHING about before 2018 june. One Piece manga chapter 906. That was the first time we ever saw the character and learn about it's existence. No. The face reveal would be at a moment you would never see coming but 4 sure a chapter ending panel. 100000000000%
This chapter was so good!! I bet next week will be a HUMONGOUS one!! The name of the ancient kingdom might probably be revealed! I hope this is the case.
-The ancient kingdom was developing weapons. -20 kings: let’s gather and stop this. -they gathered: we need to enslave people so they don’t make weapons. - Lilli: say what?! No sis I’m out. Bye 👋🏼
My thoughts & opinions of the chapter: 1. With the Seraphim free, I can see a moment where they will go against the Elders command & save the SH by any means necessary! Which would be something the real Hancock, Kuma, Jinbe, and probably Mihawk would do. 2. After seeing Demaro Black returning for the 1st time since the start of the Post time skip, it's a perfect foreshadow foe the Kid Pirates to come back even better than before! 3. When seeing Stussy in this chapter & the recent episodes, I now wonder if the original was ever as selfless as her clone was. 4. Idk how much Vegapunk will explain to everyone about Joy Boy, but I would like to know if he ever used Nika's power any differently from Luffy and/or Bonney?
Your new mic is good! I did not get annoyed by the difference, it was very subtle. So, I like the theory that they're living the defeat after the victory. Maybe Luffy can learn from it and avoid the same mistake as his predecessor. But I wonder how much of an ideology fight it was, how much it may conflict with Luffy's final dream... MAYBE Joyboy wasn't able to fulfill his final dream! Hun... 🤔 That was a final minute thought, but it feels like it kinda fits beautifully to the story
I saw people speculating that the Imu's face reveal in the manga might happen around the same time as the voice reveal in the anime. That made some sense to me, because it's not only a good marketing opportunity, but also I don't think that it would be good if an adaptation made a reveal of this magnitude before the source material. So it's possible that Oda might want to align the full appearance's reveal just before the anime reveals the gender.
whenever you a cultural concept present around the globe, there is a very high chance you can trace it back to paleolithic indo-european language and can map the spread of story mimic spread of humans
im glad you mentioned the younger dryas. we gotta consider outside influences too pirates from space. how did the space faring pirates come about if Joy Boy was the first pirate and could joy boy have eaten the fruit and is nika an entity from a time before joyboy
Would be kinda cool if the ancient kingdom was earth in the 21st century or an allusion to it at least, and the current world is the result of ignoring climate change and nuclear war
Now I’m convinced ms goldenweek paint brush or paint itself is a scientific tool like making the colors associated with feelings almost on some inside out shit 😂
I think the denden mushi that the Gorisei looking for is inside the Giant robot thats why on the previous chapter we saw vegapunk was stuck in the giant robot.
JB, please raise awareness about the flood in Rio Grande do Sul, Brasil. In a sense, it's similar to what's happening in One Piece right now and i think more people should know it. That aside, I think Oda is more a fan of dialetical materialism than he is of conspiracy theories and really shows in this one chapter. Even if it alludes to some kind of ancient blablabla, Vegapunk explains what is really happening in a way that is clear to see a thread of events and motivations
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The world has caught up with us readers, Joy Boy. We are really almost there. It’s been one hell of an adventure 🍻
Lesssgoo bro, the one piece is real!!
I love the reaction shots of various people, I find it interesting that Momonosuke knows about Joyboy, but didn't know he was a pirate.
@@BladeEdge86 I can’t wait to see Koza’s reaction in Alabasta. It’ll finally show us the state of the nation after the cobra/vivi news
Zunesha probably isn’t wandering, probably walking the perimeter of a certain continent.
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Zunesha got extra long legs for some reason I suppose.
Keep cooking bro!
That would be so sick
What a thought.
Zunesha being condemned to walk always felt weird
But realizing he's actually being punished by being forced to walk over the ruins of the ancient world he used to live in is devastating
It's funny to me that up to this date we have visited 3 vehapunk labs one of them got blown up by Frankie and the other two got sliced in half 😂😂😂
I love how we are going from One Piece history conspiracy myths to real-life history conspiracy myths
My favourite thing about one piece now
They are not myths, they are theories
One piece has always been that to me, Oda is trying to tell us 😂 I also think haki is real like it’s our life energy and Jesus was JoyBoy aka Christ consciousness
Art Imitates Life 🖌️🎨🖼️
They should start calling him "Noland the Truther" Like that was something I just recently thought of; If the world believes the lie that Noland said "the island must have sunk" and mocked him.... but then they can't disbelieve the world is sinking then by their perspective "Noland must have been telling the truth"
When I saw Miss Goldenweek and the background character said: "How many people died during the flood?", I thought back to Whiskey peak and the gravestones that make up the Cactus Mountains. During Whiskey peak it was implied that these were gravestones for the victims of the bounty hunters, right? However these mountains were far too big and there were way to many gravestones for it to be the result of bounty hunters, especially Baroque Works imo. These guys were not nearly competent enough to kill so many. What if these gravestones are memorials for the people who died during the flood all these centuries ago and Baroque Works just added some to them?
Whiskey Peak is what really got me into OP, the landscape glooming with grave stones was cool af but grim… looking back know… bounty Hunter killing that many people now seems false and yeah Brouqe Works definitely twisted the truth….
Joy Boy must be from giant race, since he can continously fighting the allied 20 kindoms for 100 straight years
The big straw hat in ims collection to me means joyboy died in his giant form everything in luffy clothes expands he got that rubber domain expansion lol in the silhouette of 1115 joyboy looks strikingly like luffy.
If the D clan is linked to joyboy and IMs eternal clash of ideals (rocks, bb) and there is this real will as Lili spoke of then I feel like history is repeating itself, luffy commanding all races likes he's tryna be MLK, aka joyboy, toki toki did something to make this timeline occur under ims nose
I think the sun god champions freedom so it makes sense for giants, lunerians Fishmen cyborgs etc to be Un afraid of a sun god the Nika of freedom 👊
But if joy boy was a giant, i think he was way too OP since luffy around 1.7m can transform into a giant that around 20m in his gear 5th. Therefore if joy boy was a giant around 20m, then he can transform into a monster around 200m in his gear 5th🤣🤣🤣
One piece humans have a pretty long life span they ain't capped at the 80 to 100 year mark though for anyone living past a hundred I cant imagine them being that strong given white beard in his 70s was weaker than his prime
I have thought that was likely possibility since seeing that gigantic straw hat that Imu has in storage, it is a fairly significant hint.
The fruit allows you to get urn into a giant, thus removing the need for Joyboy to be a giant.
I somehow got the Feeling luffy will wear the Giant robot as a suit. There were so many chapters where he freaked out about using armor, even when they got eaten by the seaturtle @start of skypia arc, he used that broken knightarmor :D - maybe foreshadowing of armored luffy riding zunesha?😄
You do speak in poneglyphs JB, and I'm sure many of us can't help but smile every time we hear you do. You just verbalized something I have been thinking for quite some time: One Piece does exist and White Beards speech before his death was prophetic. We all sense somethings coming in our real world, and so much of the One Piece world has a real world correspondence on a Hermetic level its like I'm reading the real world past and glimpsing into the future with every chapter from here on out in the story. I think we should all actually start to believe that by the time the One Piece is found and the global war breaks out, One Piece will show us the path we need to take for a happy ending the story (or at least this cycle). But even if we fail, then at least our collective dream of making One Piece real will be carried on in the future, and it will come true the next cycle of our Hero's Journey. The age of Aquarius is here, it's literally in the airwaves. Oda intentionally made Vegapunk look like Einstein but gave him the dream of Tesla. Two sides of the same coin thing again. We see the possible 1984 Brave New World and the JoyBoy Utopia for our real world infront of us as One Piece unfolds and reveals its world.
11:03 I wouldn't say all those people were necessarily "inspired" by the mono-myth. It's literally just one of the best ways to tell a good story so storied get told that way. That's the point of what Joseph Campbell did he just pointed out most result good myths have the same narrative structure.
Also as to your second point I think you would be very interested to read about proto-indo-european mythology. It's a hypothesized set of myths that would have existed around 10000BC and possibly influenced basically every religion in the world today. They have a sky god who wield lightning killing a snake as an example. Sound familiar? This is something that happens in basically every religion out there from Japan, to Norse, to the bible, and Hinduism. It's very interesting if you like researching mythology.
Also the lion king is almost 1 for 1 based on hamlet not the mono-myth specifically
Love the content Joyboy The hidden Den Den Mushi is in the Giant Robot Vegapunk stashed it in the Robot in Ch 1066 a day before the other Vegpunks would know
Where did Vegapunk stash it 🤣🤣🤣🤣 or better yet where did he teleport it to😈
Demaro Black now cosplaying as Kid is absolutely hilarious 😂😂
Man the lore drop in this chapter was nuts Lore Piece has me hyped even when there's no fighting
I guess Global Warning is real in the One piece universe too
Joy Boy must've been an absolute monster where all the 20 ancient kingdom have to team up together to beat him
Oda stop with the blue balls show us Imu already lol
I damn near died laughing when I spotted Demaro lol
Watch him cosplay Law next. 😂
Oda brings back some of these side characters in the most hilarious ways possible.
Surely JB was a monster, definitely. But the 20 kings as VP said, united because of JB himself and his faction. Surely his home kingdom and a bunch of other races. 🙌🏼🔥
Aight brotha I’m back lol sweet video…so since the world sank 800 years ago does this kinda hint at Fishman island being the ancient kingdom? Arlong even said that they evolved from humans back in arlong park! 🤯 the King and Shirohoshi r also both half giant so they could b related to joyboy in some way no? Plus is that giant robot maybe an ancient weapon? If I were the governament I’d try to recreate the weapons if I could…hence Kuma being a cyborg/Robot…Vegapunk didn’t have the tech to make a sentient robot so he had to make one from a living being 🤯🤯🤯
This is one of the best videos and reviews you have made. Great great work man, really appreciate listening to you
Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock would be soo proud of this breakdown lol
I was trying to tow the line so hard lmao I don't care what anyone believes, I enjoy the conversation lmao
@@JoyBoyTheories As do I lmao. Birds of a feather
Greatest Joe rogan experience ever. I listen to Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock on there separately and together. I replay to episodes every nowandthen lol
@@JoyBoyTheories joy boy chapter 1116 just got leaked on Reddit just wanted to tell you lol full chapter can’t wait for your video to come out
Damn you're the only RUclipsr I'd get off of grayjay and back to the RUclips website to type a comment. Joe and Graham Hancock would be proud. I was thinking of the intense parallels between both their story and odas for years since he's come out and spoke about ancient civilizations and the great flooding event
Joy Boy been listening to Graham Hancock theories on Atlantis and the younger Dryas i see lol. Joe rogan intoduced me to that world too!
He obviously didn't since I heard nothing about a meteor impact.
Vegapunk is being unbiased, but the theme of OP has shown us both good and bad pirates, and both good and bad marines. Saying either is bad or good would be untrue. This leads me to believe Emu is "bad" for a good reason. I think Oda has done a good job of blurring the lines and has done this intentionally.
So I guess this chapter confirms Impel Down is actually a tower as well.
heard this a lot and it makes 0 sense. nobody in their right mind would build a tower where the worst criminals are at the bottom in the least secure floor
Absolute tank of a tower or castle….😮💨 Luffy speed ran the entire thing along with Lord Buggy😮💨
We just learned that the sea level rose with 200 meters, if every firing of Imu's weapon makes it go up by 1 meter that means it was fired 200 times. That should leave 200 holes all over the world, which we clearly don't see. So this means that the holes fill up with water given enough time, which makes sense cause we see water flowing in. But the real question is where does the destroyed land go? I think the key is in the fact that after the firing we get earthquakes, what are earthquakes? They are the movement of tectonic plates, but why are these moving? Maybe the islands don't just magically disappear but they get pushed into the crust of the earth. Of course after 200 islands getting pushed in these plates would have increased in size and started to push against each other. When tectonic plates push against each other they start to form mountain ranges, what if this is what the redline is. That would explain why it has so many different climates, cause it is a combination of the 200 destroyed islands. And that is why it is called pangea castle, cause the red line is all the combined islands.
I have an idea for the red line and the sea level rising. Okay, I've actually been thinking about this for a while now, even before this chapter, and I'm surprised more people haven't made the link (or maybe I just suck at looking for theory videos).
Basically:
-uranus is kind of like a giant laser that is fired from above (maybe from a facility in one of the moons) that penetrates really deep.
-Uranus was used during the void century and left a line of destruction where the red line currently is, ripping through the very crust of the world on one piece.
-the magma from beneath the crust kept coming up like a massive underground volcano (which is actually one of the first things that made think of this, since right after reaching the grand line Nami started talking about underground volcanoes out of nowhere and Oda is known for leaving clues that don't become relevant until much later)
-the magma rising up made what is now the red line, which would have displaced massive amounts of sea water during its formation as it came out from underneath the sea up until it breached the water's surface (after which it could have kept growing taller without having as much of an effect on sea levels.
-using uranus recently to destroy an island might also have disrupted the crust again and lead to another underwater volcano like thing happening and sea level rise, but on a smaller scale.
Gol D. Roger tried to save people by making them pirates
Oh wow I never thought of this
What truly happened though was more battles , blood and raids to other people and islands.Piracy could never save the whole world like the Marines for instance haven't saved all of it.I think in the end there won't be anything honestly.
That void century flashback is probably gonna be the saddest one when you see everyone but the bad guys drown 😩
I love how vegapunk doesn't make the decision for you about who was right and who was wrong between joyboy and the world government, he just admits he doesn't know everything and shares the information in a non bios way allowing people to think for themselves. I love it and tbh he skyrocketed to my favorite one piece character
Mock Town living true to its name. Its people appeared in every chapter and has been making fun of Old Punk's message. 😂
Yes
They are going to eat their words soon.
How can they even live in the grand line? It’s on the paradise side, but still, they believe nothing out of the ordinary, in a world as crazy as One Piece. 😆
I do wonder if Oda is trying to tell us something in real life.. like does he really know the truths of Atlantis, is there really a great treasure in the world and what is it, or is there something he knows about the world that the civilization the world doesn't know about. That would be deeeeep as hell!!!
What is the biggest treasure of the world?
Yooo JB! I've had this Longshot loaded in the headcannon for a while now, and since Vegapunk's message started, I think it is now or never to spread this theory to world alongside Vegapunk. There are many points to contradict this theory, but recent chapters seem to literally make all the connections I once thought to be separate, connected. Here it is, sir. For you & our community of tinfoil!!!
Joy Boy = Imu
• Consider the perspective that VP is speaking about. He has 2 subjects that he is debating between. At first, it comes off as the 2 being the world government & Joy Boy. But I'm arguing that it is Imu & Joy Boy.
Edit: please consider giving the time to read the theory in full by reading the following replies to this comment by myself. The post was too large to be posted in one singular thread.
• Consider the perspective that VP is speaking about. He has 2 subjects that he is debating between. At first, it comes off as the 2 being the world government & Joy Boy. But I'm arguing that it is Imu & Joy Boy.
- VP's first words warn for listeners to not jump to conclusions, because he himself does not know between the holistic right and wrong of what he has learned and is sharing to the world. He immediately follows this warrant by implying that the WG has the supreme power before cutting away to instead tell of history, and a man within that history, Joy Boy. What VP is actually telling is in between the lines is that Imu is pulling the strings, however, he may not be wrong in his way of doing so. Thus, VP begins the tale of the Rise of Joy Boy, and his Fall to become the one atop the empty throne.
- with that point, please bring to mind Rayleigh telling the Straw Hats that when they learn the truth of this world, they will come to their own conclusion on what they believe should be done. VP is telling the world not only a part of history, but providing us readers our first true insight into what Imu believes, or perhaps once BELIEVED.
Now we start thinking how could this be possible, and begin debating past plot points we have been shown over years. Let's examine some...
• The straw hat on ice. This is Imu's hat. A symbol he keeps as a token of his past self, and reminder of why he is on the current path he has been set on for centuries.
- this provides a legitimate and personable reason why the straw hat is kept, and eliminates a need to connect another character to Imu in a way that quite frankly isn't weird. "Ohhh yeah lemme just keep this straw hat on the chiller and use it as a scenic piece to brood on like I'm on Game of Thrones." Lol
-"the straw hat doesn't fit, it's clearly for a giant/buccaneer." We can dispute this because in the world of one piece characters can drastically alter appearances. Powers, time, aging, psyche, etc. can be applied to a change in appearance. This theory argues that Imu was cursed in some way, and this is the cause of the appearance change, and more. We will div
We will dive deeper later.
•The 20 kings and war with the Ancient Kingdom.
-"The story clearly states that Imu was one of the 20 kings and therefore can not be counted as 1 of the same as JB; their must be 21 heads counted here."
-we do not actually have concrete, in- depth evidence to fully substantiate that claim. Due to this, we can argue from a couple angles at least. We can agree that the ancient kingdom was 1, but 20 rose flags against the 1. In this case, JB is the 1, and 20 are kings in revolt. With the number 21, it actually does not make a difference whether or not Imu lays within the 20, or the 1. (It's like that wolf card game lol.) You can easily mess these numbers up by saying that Imu was part of the 20, but had the moniker as Joy Boy, thus being exiled & becoming the 1, with another king replacing the 1 that was lost. Recall that it was just confirmed that JB set sail as the first pirate as we know it, meaning he was excommunicated, and we do not know JB's actual name. What we do know is that there was a Joy Boy, and there was an Imu. Another possibility that could fit here involves something along the line of a devil fruit ability that would take over Joy Boy's will and/or body. I will touch upon this later, but it would be an alternative if Imu Nerona was, in the past, a separate entity from
•Zunesha, the accomplice to Joy Boy's final act before descending to darkness.
-zunesha has been walking the seas for 800 years, as ordered by Joy Boy. We have been told this is because of a crime that Zunesha committed. This is not a lie, but our is not the whole truth. A true friend will never betray a true friend. Consider what is atop of Zunesha. The minks, and the whale. In the Zou arc, the minks allowed Jack to do what he did while not wavering at all in order to defend the legend Raizo. The whale symbolizes the only other parallel we have to this situation, that being Brook & Laboon. JB is to Brook as Zunesha is to Laboon. JB, now Imu, is still living according to a plan set in motion a long time ago, and does indeed long for the day to be reunited with his friend. Even death does not sway the yearning to meet the friend who was lost. (Side theory here, but Bink's Sake to me is the All Blue, that which is delivered to Laboon by the redline crumbling. When the redline comes down, Brook will fall into the ocean, and Laboon will save him. ) What I'm arguing with this point is that Zunesha was the one who was with Joy Boy when he "died." Zunesha is the only one that knows he never physically died, but instead was taken to the Eve Tree, where he died spiritually in exchange for something. That something is unknown to me, but I imagine it relates to essentially what is the current events of the story, and him being able to drive the world in this specific direction over time.
•The ancient robot, activating 200 years ago.
- we have witnessed Zunesha's response to the drums of liberation, and also the ancient robot's response. The awakening of the Nika fruit is synonymous to the drums. The Nika fruit is also synonymous to the mother flame. I have proposed so far that Joyboy had the Nika fruit, and that something happened by choice that forced a change to Joy Boy's person. I am not certain what event specifically incited the robot's activation. What we do know, is that this robot woke, and beelined to Mary Geios. Imu was atop Mary Geios. It is my belief that the robot was called to the drums. Yes, I believe the Nika fruit was still somehow with Imu 200 years ago. However, there is more to it....
- the 5 Gorosei have been introduced in their full-forms allegedly. Their title cards to not have devil fruits, but instead have a yokai or demon theme. We do not know the depths/ lengths the story will take in this direction, but as of now, it is not farfetched to talk in terms of demons, devils, curses and the like. It may be legitimately possible that a humans soul may be extracted and/or overcome by a devil or demon. Yes, I am saying that Imu is no longer human in soul. When Joy Boy, the man with the devil fruit of dreams, imagination, freedom & liberty, left Lily atop the back of Zunesha, he was on his way to willingly give his soul and become a thing of nightmares, with the goal in mind that could only be accomplished by having immortality & ruling over those he once fought against in order to one day accomplish what he dreamed, only to learn over hundreds of years that he was tricked into living a nightmare.
•The apology letter poneglyph at Fishman Island.
-I will try to keep this one short & simple lol. Joyboy was allied with the Fishman, and as time went on, as Joy Boys dreams began to falter, he had the Noah built. At some point whe. He made the decision to leave the world behind, he knew that his alliance with the Fishman would be sacrificed, not part of his deal, but as collateral. He was able to cope with this because, as the theory keeps in mind, Joy Boy made his decision based on his opinion after learning the truth of the world. JB thought he was making the correct choice & would one day come back to fulfill his allegiances he made, similar to Zunesha. My personal highest hope for this theory coming true is for the emotional payoff that will occur during Luffy's clash with Imu. The prophecy of Luffy bringing down the Red Line onto Fishman Island is a red herring to the readers, and means something different that will be revealed to us alongside the truth of the world (I think.) What makes this special inside the scope of this theory is that Imu will have the personal revelation that Luffy actually inherited the will of Nika, and the original will that Imu retained while as Joy Boy. This be a major "oh sh*t moment for Imu when homie is watching that big fist being fired his way lol.
•The Nika Form.
-the black silhouette, the red eyes. We have only seen Imu as a silhouette to this point, and a key feature of luffy in 5tb gear is the Nika pose as a silhouette. The art when luffy attacks is clearly creating a consistent theme in showing the piercing red eyes within his shadowed body. This highlights the same core power between Luffy & Imu.
•Modern Day, Luffy, and The Straw Hat Pirates.
- we have seen how lucky Luffy has been throughout the series, and how current events such as Kuma's backstory have affected Luffy's protected growth by outside sources. However, we have also witnessed what the WG is truly capable of. Let us examine Marineford. By this time in the story, Luffy had renown, and the world knew of both his straw hat and his devil fruit. Opinions of these things could vary, but it would be naive of us readers to say that Imu was caught unawares to the reveal of the gum gum fruit being the Nika Nika fruit. We also know for fact that the straw hat is some sort of symbol that retains value to Imu ay the least. The points made in this theory back the idea of the straw hat being exclusively special to Imu, and that Luffy's fruit was Imu's in the past. You could say that Luffy has been barely just out of reach of Imu & the WG the whole time of the story taking place. So again, let us look at Marineford. If Imu really wanted Luffy dead, then Luffy would have died there. "Ohhh they issued the order to prevent luffy awakening at Onigashima, so the point is moot." No. Two things can be true at once. Imu issued the order during the raid, but no order was given at Marineford. These circumstances can absolutely be used as warrants that Imu was content in letting Luffy rise. Imu has been watching luffy throughout his entire adventure, living vicariously through luffy. For the last 2 years, Luffy has shown Imu what life can be if you embody freedom and pursue your dreams. For 2 years, Imu has had new conflict brought before him. What has changed since Marineford to Wano Kuni? Vegapunk created a pseudo- Mother Flame. Imu was allowing Luffy to grow and awaken in order to cull him and make him repeat the cycle that he was a part of 800 years ago. But now Imu does not need Luffy for his mother flame ability. More so, Imu has now become intimidated by Luffy and his display of power & ideals. Imu is not scared of Luffy for shallow reasons. Imu is scared of Luffy because he had been shown the truth that Luffy will find before he found it. Imu is scared of Luffy because Imu had learned that Luffy is the true embodiment of the Sun God Nika, the one who deserves the title of Joy Boy. A title that Imu did not deserve.
I’m so drunk right now I can’t wait to listen to this on the Uber ride home 🤣🤣🤣 BUT BRO your last video was on fucking point
Loved that you mentioned ancient Sumeria. Their stone tablets seem to be the inspiration for the poneglyphs.
Jb you are the first RUclipsr that I watch that has made the connection between one piece and the real world conspiracy theory of a mass flood and the powers that be. It’s all very interesting and it’s something I’ve been toying with myself for quite a while now.
Well, here in Argentina there are some points where there is a lot of connection with energies. Certain hills in Córdoba (especially Uritorco) are currently inhabited by religious temples from France, Buddhists, etc.; where many things are investigated. This hill mentioned is an increasingly commercial site, in fact before you could climb and camp for free (I have done it) and now they charge you outrageous tourist prices.
In our reality, the "emptying" of our ancestral times is sometimes related to that: the current consumption system, which leads to a lack of interest in those things. And as we believe, if what happened tends to repeat itself, and that we also have to learn from it, then we are going in reverse with our technologies, which are sometimes intended to control us.
Greetings jb!
Speaking of the Hero’s Journey I’ve always loved that the Oden flashback is a mini Hero’s Journey that genuinely reads and feels like an old myth/legend.
I think the ancient weapons were initially designed by the ancient kingdom for the explicit purpose of destroying the red line and terraforming the planet to their liking. The allied kings opposed this idea, probably either on the grounds that they wanted that power for themselves for offensive purposes, or that they didn't trust the ancient kingdom with it (the dark forest paradox, they can't know the true intentions of the ancient kingdom with these all powerful weapons, so it's rational for them to take it down as a preventative form of self-defense). Whatever the case, their purpose was re-contextualized to be super weapons and that's how people view them in the current world; a macro version of Franky designing ships that were later used for evil. Luffy and/or Sanji will use them to fulfill the goals of Joyboy, erase the entire red line, lower the water level by draining all this flood water (that's about to get a lot higher) into the empty space that was previously the red line, creating the all blue, and leveling the world out so nobody can divide & conquer from above like Imu and the celestial dragons, or anyone else.
As for the ideals Vegapunk spoke of, I think he might be referring to freedom vs. order, or something in that ballpark. The ancient kingdom being free to the point of it posing a threat to all life (devil fruits, ancient weapons, think of the havoc this kind of technology presents if just anyone can access it), and the 20 allied nations fearing that level of freedom. Or it could just be the existing aristocracy (people like Garling, Imu and the gorosei) defending their power and higher stature against a kingdom that would seek to get rid of those power imbalances, upending the structure they're accustomed to.
To me the ideologies are Freedom and Control/Security. We see that Nika can change his body and do anything, he is completely free, but this idea on a broader scale can be dangerous because if everyone is free to do and go as they please, chaos can ensue and might ultimately makes right where only the strong survive and can be free as they want. An example is Rock's crew, they are all strong and live free, but they also kill each other and it's one step away from anarchy. Beehive Island and Mocktown seem to operate on similar notions where so long as you're strong enough you can do what you want.
We have seen in our world where acts of terror and violence cause people to be willing to give up their freedom in exchange for security and safety, and this allows for the protection of the weak by giving up their own wills to another who in turn agrees to protect them. Joyboy himself may be a source of good overall, but those he inspires to be free and take to the seas may not share that goodness, and the level of danger the ancient weapons pose, or just the fear of the ancient kingdom's technology caused people to band together and give up their freedom to be safe. The 20 kings may very well have been mostly good rulers but they gained power and were slowly corrupted by it. Having the power to destroy or reshape the world certainly makes you like a god, so that may be the origins of this belief.
Another thing to consider, perhaps Zunesha's crime was allowing Imu access to Uranus, like Zunesha helped ferry it around. Given her height being in charge of an aerial weapon would make sense. Also if what is left as islands are just basically high plateaus and mountaintops, it would explain the lack of knowledge as most of these "islands weren't places a lot of people lived but rather where people fled to, bringing what they could. We do know some locations like Alabasta, Dressrosa, and such were much older than 800 years hence their larger populations as well they were most likely far bigger. Green Bit was likely reachable by land, and perhaps given the shape of Dressrosa island it was just a large mountain city/fortress. The 4 blues likely each housed one of the continents and explain Tequila Wolf since the bridge likely isn't having it's support pillars below 200 meters, so it would originally have been able to go by land, and a Celestial Dragon in the past just wanted to travel to a location by land like before and ordered the bridge.
Hats of for mentioning Younger Dryas! Oda is really on point tying up his story with reality.
The theory about the third sea and the current world being on old sky island reminds of Library of Ohara's theory of the One Piece, where long story short Roger's last quote means something along the lines of "I left everything the world has to offer at the bottom" refering to the hole from Enies Lobby
I stil see carrot showing up in elbaf n joining the crew
I absolutely love that you brought up the Younger Dryas event!!! I’ve been looking into all of these things and seeing how many parallels Oda has made to these historic events, especially with it being such taboo knowledge! Everything from the Enuma Elish to Gilgamesh! 🔥🔥 I love that other people see it as well, super cool
Happy someone touched on the clear parallels between one piece and alternative history
Laugh tale is under water
Another thing Vegapunk can share is teh name of the ancient kingdom, Ohara knew it, especially Clover and as Vegapunk said he shall only state facts without any notion of good, evil or personal value, teh name is such a thing he could share.
As for Kaku and Stucy, I can imagine Kaku returnign to Iceberg at some point, asking for forgiveness and getting taken back in after explaining himself. I have the impression he actually liked Galley La, Iceberg and Water 7, maybe Stucy will go with him? Or perhaps something Luffy does will give her the realisation that she is free and doesn't need to have a purpose, which ironically may give her another in terms of aiding Luffy.
The new mic is great btw. No more occasional bumping noises that made me think my neighbors were banging on their wall anymore.
I think joyboy flooded the world… he lost the battle so he took the prize of victory away from the world government. You can be the victors if nothing.
Absolutely incorrect. The world doesn’t know Imu exists and that the gorosei are demons. Clearly they won, they brainwashed marines and other celestial dragons. They erased Rocks from history, call pirates “evil” although the world government is the one destroying islands, enslaving citizens, limiting resources for islands and hunting humans for fun.
Makes sense considering he also literally built Noah's Arc on Fishman Island.
This literally makes no sense since the World Government has been ruling the world for 800 years.
Lol so you are saying that joyboy killed millions of people and sinked many countries just because he lost the battle? That perfectly fit for a 'warrior of liberation'😂
@@KenAiden people just yap away on here lol
Also explains why the merfolk were are discriminated against so much, because they may have already known the truth just from living amidst the ruins of the old world. I'm surprised Vegapunk wasn't a fish man honestly.
We are cooking en fuego with all this lore and cameos
So yes, the flood; Gilgamesh, Noah, Manu, Mithra, Deucalion, the flood myth is a staple of most mythology and religion in order to vindicate the strength and wrath of gods. The flood myth I find important and pertinent right now however is Ragnarok, we're going to Elbaf after all and there's much Norse parallels to it, but the way Ragnarok's flood is described feels apt "the sun becomes black and the earth sinks into the sea".
Still, 200 meters! That's immense, so much must be underwater. It explains why Wano put up walls probably to prevent it happening again, every island was once a mountain.
I've been loving the cameos, nice to see Carrot again (though I wish she was at Egghead), surprised that we panned to Miss Goldenweek, but I laughed hard at the fact that Demaro Black is now cosplaying as Kid XD also Foxy. It seems telling that there'll likely be more revelations to come though; the Cross Guild haven't reacted to it yet, wonder how many other faces we'll see again; Gaimon? Bon Clay? Arlong? Krieg? Kuro? Morgan? Rayleigh? Perona? Moria? Many to choose from
Much of the Joy Boy reveals are stuff we've already assumed, but it was nice to confirm it; Joy Boy did in fact lose in the fight against the 20 kingdoms (now that I think of it, we've shown cameos to a lot of world leaders too; Zou, Alabasta, Germa, Sakura, Black Drum, Wano, Fishman Island, perhaps we're showing that the 20 kingdoms cannot unite the same way they can before). There are few things more horrifying to learn though than that there was an intense war a thousand years ago, and then get told 'it's still not over'. Every person is either an active pawn or collateral to this battle.
To be fair, Doflamingo said it 'the victors of this war will become justice' - just as much as the WG make themselves heroes. History is only told by the victors, and those who didn't have theirs erased
The Gorosei were quire active this chapter with their Haki, and Vegapunk's message has came to the Straw Hats and Bonney's benefit since it's splitting their priorities. Franky came in clutch to save Bonney (rough landing for Sanji) but they were fortunate that V. Nusjuro left to slice the Labophase in half. Still, they're in more of a mood to kill to try and pinpoint the broadcast snail, and I don't think it's anywhere in Egghead anyway. The CP agents and Seraphim are falling though, the former's chances don't look good and the Navy are already starting to clock on the 'are we the baddies?' suggestion, will be interesting where we go there. I suspect the Seraphim will be used more by the WG, since the Pacifista are now compromised. Very concerned that Ju Peter has been absent, either Oda regrets wormy or he's doing sneaky Sanji-esque stuff...
Kaku's silence is interesting too, with Stussy mulling that she has nothing left to live for. I still can't rule out that Lucci will try to kill her, but perhaps this is the stage for all three of them to just, wash their hands and get out of the fire.
Still, the chapter - which had some gorgeous panels - was again more for the lore than the action, but it has led me to two theories; one is an easy one - Laugh Tale is underwater, preserved in a bubble like Fishman Island, which is why it's unable to be found on a map or by sailing aimlessly. The second, juicier theory is that I think I figured out Blackbeard's plans for it; his fruits can part the sea and absorb anything, he may be planning to raise Laugh Tale to the surface, and then there's Pizzaro - being able to control an island, or a supercontinent? - I think Blackbeard means to raise the ancient world from the sea and control it, therefore establishing dominion over the world; the ability to warp, create plague, invisibility, shapeshifting, these are all powers selected because of how they can be enforced into an empire.
The mic sounds great JB. Thanks for the great review as always. Awesome points, One Piece is amazing!
Irrelevant but my favorite Joseph Campbell quote came from an interview where he’s asked about his opinion as to why there are so many myths throughout history that tell the same story despite vast distances, both spatial and temporal, between these societies. He answered, “for me there exists 2 possibilities, either the human psyche is bound by certain modes of thinking and these myths are the natural limits of our storytelling or that something exists beyond our conscious experience that is capable of feeding these stories to us over time.”
The ladder has always made more sense to me
Whoaaa!!! I’ve always said the same thing! I’ve wondered if giants, long leg tribe and all the oddly shaped people of one piece were from bioengineering!! I’m sure other people have thought that just never heard anyone else say it!
If old joyboy was king of the ancient kingdom then he must have wanted to do so. Luffy doesn't want to rule over anyone, he wants to be free and kick evil's ass. So that's the difference and the answer to the universe, or something. A wise man once said "Freedom is scary, deal with it." that man being The Civil Rights Lawyer on youtube.
You know, this reveal about the ancient weapons causing the world flood helps support this theory about the Uranus ancient weapon being quite possibly a weather control device. Pluton is a warship capable of destroying islands, Poseidon is a mermaid that can command the Sea Kings, both of them don't exactly strike me as weapons capable of raising the sea level by 200 meters in a century. But Uranus, the last ancient weapon yet to be revealed could potentially be the one that changed the world of One Piece long ago. One could say that the weapon is still active and was raising the water level constantly for a 1000 years. It did raised the water level by 200 meters, that depth alone would still allow divers to find ruins, but in a 1000 years the water level should reach up to 2 km by now, which is too deep to reach without a submarine. I can only hope Robin can finish what her people started and rediscover the true history of the world.
the one piece world from a geographic point of view is so insanely written by oda, also it confirms that fishman island was a city that rightfully belonged in the surface and the fishman lived amongst all races freely until the great flood, also it explains how the old wano was completed drowned.
You always apologize for going too deep into history or conspiracy but that’s my favorite part about your videos! Is how you relate it to one piece. I believe one piece is the greatest story ever written because it relate so much to our reality.
The great flood is mad spooky because literally all old religions have a flood history and even weirder they where no where close to each other
Miss Goldenweek apple might be a reach, when the Navy streamed Doflamingos defeat one of the neighboring islands was Applenine. A lot of the citizens had an apple on their head
I like the idea the joy boy was just like Luffy, he wanted to be free, we don't know anything about the ancient world and it's rules but maybe he was considered a pirate not because he was the first to set to the see but because he broke free of the rules/taboos of the time and gained a following.
One reason for not destroying the ancient weapons could very well be that he didn't have all of them under control, like, if the WG had Uranus you needed the others to counter, just like nuclear weapons irl.
I can't wait to learn more about the War, i'm liking how Vegapunk stresses it isn't about good or evil but ideologies.
I think joyboy flooded the planet, since well the reason the world government may have been warring with him was for the ancient weapons. The heck, might as well assume he caused the moons to fall.
Vegapunk: "The kingdom Joy Boy came from was more advanced than even my technology. How did they achieve this? Have you ever heard of ancient astronaut theory?"
No wonder that the sea level is rising. Oda is dropping lore like crazy!
Wandering what you gonna do when OnePiece finish. Hope you going to do more videos with you incredible narrative. Keep doing this champ!
New mic sounds super crisp and even 👌
Always love to hear your thoughts JB!
One pic i noticed was a girl wearing an apple hat, i feel she is either just a fan of Vega Punk or she might be a back up body who is caring the den den mushi transmiting.
15:54 hmm insaw a theory about the lunarians in a way the original Seraphim created in the old days
From one JB to another! Just wanted to say keep up the great work homie! You inspired me to continue putting work into my own channel!
good luck bro!
You sound good as always JB. Love the vid😁✌️
So what you're saying is that a great flood in real life is expected to come and the one Piece manga is our poneglyph.
Makes sense 😄
So Imu was called the creator of this world bc he sank it, and literally created the current world.
Imu possibly from culture of sea ppl rather than the bucaneers
Also i wonder if Imu's family was possibly casted out and made to live out at sea like how kurozumi were persecuted and made to live outside of the capital, but imu made the whole world live on the seas essentially and now he sits on top of the highest piece of land
I still find it a bit of a plot hole that nobody in-universe ever talks about the pre-void century. As you say, the ancient kingdom is implied to have existed for longer than 900 years... So why is it news to anyone?
Or the layout of the world, its geography. The general geography from >900 years ago should be at least loosely knowable.
They talk about it in Alabasta a lot. Alubarna palace is 4000 years old. But the history of most of the other places with long records would probably have been destroyed.
After watching this video, I actually get some kinda vision of a timeline.
1. Joyboy want to explore the world so he go to the sea
2. He befriend a lot of kingdom including people from the moon with advanced technology
3. With the technology, joyboy crew becoming the strongest and then they make a new kingdom with joyboy as the king
4. Joyboy doesn't care about conquering the world but one of his crew do
5. The crew then betraying joyboy by telling other kingdom including lily that joyboy planning to destroy or conquering the world with his advanced weapon
6. At first, they didn't believe it, but the crew used an ancient weapon to frame joyboy so other kingdom will join him in defeating joyboy
7. Joyboy lost because he more or less fighting the kingdoms he befriended before.
8. After they win, the crew making a proposal about moving to the top of redline and becoming celestial dragon.
9. Without telling the celestial dragon, the crew then continue using the ancient weapon to destroy other kingdom that opposing them, and later creating the void century after the crew finally 'conquering' the world, resulting in the current one piece world.
10. Lily heard about the truth and decided to spread the poneglyph that telling the truth
With this timeline, ancient weapon actually joyboy's friend with advanced modification is still possible. Joyboy doesn't need to be a race with long age because he lost early and the rest of the century is just the betrayer conquering the world with ancient weapon before they ran out of fuel.
The miss golden week being under Vegapunk makes sense since Croc was trying to find Pluton 🤔 that would be very cool at the very least
For anyone curious; it appears we share many World Myths because they originate from a common source. Comparative Mythology/Religion is the science of this. Flood myths seems to originate in Africa and traveled with us during our migrations. We can tell it must be that old because even the Aboriginals have these myths and their group seperated long, long ago.
This all reminds me of tartaria especially the mud slides and void century
Graham Hancock has an interesting theory, books and documentary on Netflix that addresses ancient advanced civilizations that possibly had knowledge about astrology, map working and were seafaring...civilizations of which most of them were possibly washed off the face of the earth by glacier after the previous ice age, that raised sea levels to an extent of submerging most of the land. Oh and Graham recently had a debate about it on the joe rogan podcast. For some reason, this chapter reminds me of his findings.
I once in high school took a class called hero’s and I’m kind of surprised that all these people don’t know after reading manga and all types of other books and movies
I think the reveal of continents existing sheds a whole new light on Oars the continent mover.
Miss Goldenweek paints a summoning circle to evacuate Egghead on VP apple helmet orders LOL
Thank you I learned something today, never heard of the hero of a thousand faces. Gonna read now
We might reaction shots from Buggy, Shanks and BB next chapter, Buggy and Croc hearing bout the ancient weapons might make buggy bring up captain johns armband to Crocodile and Mihawk to see if that will help find the ancient weapons, Shanks might reminisce on vegapunk's joyboy speech and remember something that roger told him when he shanks starting crying and
With Vegapunk announcing the ancient weapons this now opens up the door for Blackbeard to hear Caribou out for the ancient weapons as before the BBP weren't interested in any such thing especially since they may know of his Gabiru antics and thinks he has ties to the Revs or Sword
1. The mic is 10000000000000000000000x much better then before maybe a little finetuning but it's awsome gg for the new mic :)
2. "Because we didn't learn anything new". This is the point where i say that it's our own fault but i am at the same feeling right now tbh because of a the lot of hours that we put in too theorize about almost everything... :D
3. A Face reveal would be awsome but i would say this is a moment where it would be too obvious. A character that we knew NOTHING about before 2018 june. One Piece manga chapter 906. That was the first time we ever saw the character and learn about it's existence.
No. The face reveal would be at a moment you would never see coming but 4 sure a chapter ending panel. 100000000000%
We just want 100% all gas lmao Imu at the end is still hype, just knowing he's watching wondering how he will respond...
@@JoyBoyTheories it's just gives me the freaking chills man 😂😂😂😂😂
I listen
But i mostly watch the artistic process and i love it ♥️ especially when you wrote that Rizz note
So real 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I thought for sure this video would be an hour long
This chapter was so good!! I bet next week will be a HUMONGOUS one!! The name of the ancient kingdom might probably be revealed! I hope this is the case.
-The ancient kingdom was developing weapons.
-20 kings: let’s gather and stop this.
-they gathered: we need to enslave people so they don’t make weapons.
- Lilli: say what?! No sis I’m out. Bye 👋🏼
My thoughts & opinions of the chapter:
1. With the Seraphim free, I can see a moment where they will go against the Elders command & save the SH by any means necessary! Which would be something the real Hancock, Kuma, Jinbe, and probably Mihawk would do.
2. After seeing Demaro Black returning for the 1st time since the start of the Post time skip, it's a perfect foreshadow foe the Kid Pirates to come back even better than before!
3. When seeing Stussy in this chapter & the recent episodes, I now wonder if the original was ever as selfless as her clone was.
4. Idk how much Vegapunk will explain to everyone about Joy Boy, but I would like to know if he ever used Nika's power any differently from Luffy and/or Bonney?
I'm sure Imu is responsible for Red Line and/or reshaping the world. Gorosei call them "the Creator."
Exactly! Amazing, as always!
Your new mic is good! I did not get annoyed by the difference, it was very subtle.
So, I like the theory that they're living the defeat after the victory. Maybe Luffy can learn from it and avoid the same mistake as his predecessor.
But I wonder how much of an ideology fight it was, how much it may conflict with Luffy's final dream...
MAYBE Joyboy wasn't able to fulfill his final dream! Hun... 🤔 That was a final minute thought, but it feels like it kinda fits beautifully to the story
I saw people speculating that the Imu's face reveal in the manga might happen around the same time as the voice reveal in the anime.
That made some sense to me, because it's not only a good marketing opportunity, but also I don't think that it would be good if an adaptation made a reveal of this magnitude before the source material. So it's possible that Oda might want to align the full appearance's reveal just before the anime reveals the gender.
whenever you a cultural concept present around the globe, there is a very high chance you can trace it back to paleolithic indo-european language and can map the spread of story mimic spread of humans
BEST & MOST INFORMATIVE ONE PIECE RUclipsR OF ALL TIME SCREW THE NUMBERS. ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!? GO JOYBOY, GO JOYBOY
Ill say this its kinda wild looking back now seeing the parallels from wind waker and one piece now.
im glad you mentioned the younger dryas.
we gotta consider outside influences too pirates from space. how did the space faring pirates come about if Joy Boy was the first pirate and could joy boy have eaten the fruit and is nika an entity from a time before joyboy
Would be kinda cool if the ancient kingdom was earth in the 21st century or an allusion to it at least, and the current world is the result of ignoring climate change and nuclear war
That could be the reason behind Tequila Wolf, to connect the world of course someone else probably said this already
Now I’m convinced ms goldenweek paint brush or paint itself is a scientific tool like making the colors associated with feelings almost on some inside out shit 😂
I think the denden mushi that the Gorisei looking for is inside the Giant robot thats why on the previous chapter we saw vegapunk was stuck in the giant robot.
JB, please raise awareness about the flood in Rio Grande do Sul, Brasil. In a sense, it's similar to what's happening in One Piece right now and i think more people should know it. That aside, I think Oda is more a fan of dialetical materialism than he is of conspiracy theories and really shows in this one chapter. Even if it alludes to some kind of ancient blablabla, Vegapunk explains what is really happening in a way that is clear to see a thread of events and motivations
well i guess my favourite anime youtuber also listens to randell carleson. amazing!