Actually there where many Butterfly's that gave up the throne and lived outside of royalty or just plainly vanished, at that point it could be any of them related to Festivia.
@@acidicali7776 you don’t mind if I tell you spoilers right? You most likely finished the second season. Okay so after they destroyed the magic, star wanted to go back in the portals. So she stayed there with Marco. And while they were hugging, Marcos checks glowed up. As crescents. ( Or half a moon) like the stereotypical moon.
@@Woopwiop wand user cheeks glow when using a powerful magic, the wand probably gives any human cheek marks. The all seeing eye marco use is also new, all seeing eye only supposed to spy on someone not make contact.
Maybe one of Jushtin Butterfly and Recluza Spiderbite’s child was disowned for marrying one of the Pie Folk and had Festivia, who found her way back to the Butterfly Family when she was accidentally abandoned as a baby and was adopted by the MHC.
Of course they're related, why would the series introduce both skywynne's children?, also when they saw what eclipsa was doing back in the day the only thing the MHC would had do was to ask for a jushtin daughter, they would've rathered jushtin's (boy queen) descendency than solaria's. In SVTFOE there's no coincidences
Um, there are plenty of coincidences in the show. And Jushtin was just introduced because everyone after Skywynne was introduced. And it’s never said that Jushtin has kids, just married a Spiderbite.
There you are wrong. They introduced both to have diversity. Like woo a boy queen. Also, Jushtin's daughter would have been of the age of Eclipsa or more. The "coincidence" of him being by the side of Festivia, could probably have been due to Jushtin being overprotecting. He lost his sister and his niece, so yeah the MHC just told him "uhm this is Festivia, your grandniece, Eclipsa's daughter" and ate that.
@@WendoDoux It also could be because they had similar personalities.Jushtin like being stylish and having fun with his friends and since Festival was a party girl when they met in the weird spirit dimension where wand users seem to reside the got close to each other.Also there is a possibility that Jushtin helped raise her before he passed on.
I don't think Jushtin did very much parties during his ruling, he did make a lot of connections with neighbouring kingdoms, he helped his sister with providing aid for her armies and in the book, he's shown to be a brilliant mathematician. Festivia partied because she wanted to and never wanted to be involved with helping the outside world
bobby4 probably not compared to the bunny girl (I forgot her name...I don’t like her much). Dirhhennia wasn’t even that into magic, Jushtin was into magic a bit tho, and it’s not like Solaria was into magic, she hated monsters and that was what her entire life was about. So really, Jushtin would’ve been a better ruler and so would Dirhhennia. Because they weren’t caught up with hating monsters
I feel like Justin was still alive after solaria got kachowed in battle so he raised his grand niece after his niece eclipsa "disappeared" and his sister dying in war, so it was natural for him to raise festivia after I assume basically most of his family either unalived or disappeared cuz I'm assuming his mother skywynne unalived.
Actually it was because justhin wasn’t very responsible with queen duties , if he was more responsible instead of just partying around and losing the book of spells all the time , then he would have been king / queen cause skywynne only had solaria due to her son’s behaviour and she saw that he wasn’t adequate for the title
I mean, they are technically still related, just in a different way. They’re descended from the same 6 (8?) original pioneers to Mewni, who they discuss in the “Stumpday” and “Meteora’s Lesson” episodes.
There might be something to your theory we know that he married Duchess Recluza of the Spiderbites, but before all that he had an entourage the "Boy-Prince Cru". Mostly consisting of other princes but what if during that time he had an affair, let's say Viscount Tinbenz solidified Jushtin's relation with the Spiderbites. But there was another named Whizzbag of Garbage Beach he could have interested Jushtin in possibly a distant relative from Pie Island. I know it's a long stretch of a theory but it comes as close to Festivia as possible, it's either that or the pie folk kidnapped Festivia from the Spiderbites and claimed her as their own just to sell her back to Shastacan (it's the perfect hustle).
I really hoped that festiva would be the first born daugther of eclipsa with her husband which name I totally forgot. Meteora being her half sister. Maybe eclipsa would have left her older daughter even though she still loved her. Though eclipsa would have wanted to protect meteora more since yk she is a half monster. And then eclipsa got into a crystal, meteora got send away. Yada, Yada, Yada. And maybe Festiva was pretty close to Jushtin. But no, they threw that all away... Whatever. I didn't really like the ending and like the whole reveal at all.
I've been thinking about this for a while,it makes sense since we don't know don't get to know what happened to jushtin or what kind of family he had,if he's the father or grandfather then yeah star is still related to them but then I started not to think about it anymore until you brought it up,the chance is there,we just don't know whether that's true or not like you said
We only know he married into the spiderbite family which Jushtin and his wife could've had two kids but one didn't want to be the king/queen so they left it behind and fell in love with one of the members of the pie folk then they had Festiva which they left behind on accident.
Justin is supposed to be his great-uncle he's not her father or her grandfather he's eclipses Uncle which technically means he is festivia is great-uncle if they were related which they're not and he's solari is older brother
@@BelcarrigFarm In fact, Star will belong to the Butterfly family, since we do not know the past queens and kings, as well as who is Celena's lover, so in fact, Star may be a real Butterfly.
Acutally since eclipsa and king shastacan wasn't married anymore everyone in eclipsas bloodline is no longer related to festivia. Maybe if eclipsa and shastacan was still married then that would make festivia her adopted daughter so the boy queen jushtin would be her great uncle because solaria and jushtin were siblings and jushtin was eclipsas uncle
She might be because when moon gets zapped by the first born she goes to the pie folk volcano and the baker (forgot his name) explains how moon is pie folk because of festiva being a pesent and that’s why moon was there but star was not with moon when she was zapped the magic put her in butterfly castle.
No, Moon went there not because she is not from the Butterfly family, but because her father is from Pie Island. She is connected to the island because her father is a resident of Pie Island. At least, Star is half pie folk on the mother's side, or rather grandfather's side.
If I’m remembering correctly; Jushtin, after being replaced by his younger sister to be queen, joined/helped the magical high commission until he died. And Festivia was raised by the magical high commission until she became queen (Since she had no parents). So I think it’s a pretty good possibility that Jushtin is her grandfather!!
i definetly believe star is still an original butterfly i mean not all butterflies are only children and it most cirtenly cant be that jushtin is the only boy I guess you can say like some of them atleast must have siblings and maybe festivia is the daughter or grand daughter of one of the siblings
Also I the butterfly trap when they gave the wand to festiva it wasn't the same as the book I think thet after Justin was unqueened he went to pie island and got married and brought festiva and shaped her with the baby the mhc brought just so that the royal blood line could stay in tack
There's actually a really good theory and I've never actually thought about that They look so similar I guess I never really paid attention to that and they also have the same eyes
And i doubt festivia has a royal bloodline because the high commission said they swapped metora out with a peasent girl and MOST peasents of mewni are poor so festivia bloodline was probably poor. Her parents probably sold corn or they sold used rags like mina. All this would mean that star is definitely not related to eclipsa and metora and she is not related to all the past queens that came before eclipsa
If your "idea" holds true, Jushtin is supposed to be Festivia's Grandfather, not Father. Think of the Age difference. Even if they aren't related by blood, he's still her Foster Grandfather, considering she's his sister's daughter's foster daughter.
They're coming back with this cartoon in 2024 I saw the new one it's not going to be cost or forces of evil it's going to be called something different
technically Justin was not a party boy he made many friends at the neighboring kingdoms he was kicked out because his sister was born and they're supposed to be a queen on the throne not a king so he got kicked out of his throne in the magic wand in the magic book taken away from him given to his younger sister solaria so really it was just taken from him unfairly
In the book of spells didn't they say Justin married a Princess Spider bite and plus Chastika was a Prince Spider bite, then Festiva could be Chastika grand cousin
Festivia is Butterfly, just adopted. That dosn't means she is worst then others. My theory is, that since no one knew, Jushtin could be still alive when Festivia was ruler, he could be close to her durning their lives. And to be honest, it make seanse to pick a baby that is similar to last Butterfly like him to show that she is family.
I think that is too much of coincidence that out of 9 queens the two that they decided to be together where the exact two that people have made a theory about having a connection to one another
I don't think she's related. I think certain queens just somewhat get along more then other. Festiva and Justin both have party social personalities in them. so it's likely they get along..
You have a point now I have mixed feelings about this one side I think they are still related Festiva being Justin granddaughter then one side of me thinks it ended with Meteora.
Ok so this backs up the theory I think but if they said they weren’t related but if they weren’t why did Festiva have check marks or this is wrong but I don’t know why it confuses me but you know
The problem I have with it is that, in the show there is the game of flags which show branches of the butterfly family. In typical royalty if such a disgrace like elcipsa did happen why would they choose a child of pie folk and not a member of the extended family?
Ok so here what I think happen J when to party and had one night stand when she found she was pregnant she left and went to that island I forgot it's name and after that she gave birth to daughter/son and we went on to birth to festiva so yeah that what I think happen
The granddaughter could work though their child could've left being queen/king behind they would marry one of the pie folk then had Festivia. If they had one more kid then I see it happening the princess/prince leaving the queen behind for his/her sibling. Which might be Princess Penelope Spiderbite 4x great grandpa/great grandma or something along them lines.
Star and her mother is not from butterfly family because festivia is not eclipsa daughter meteor is eclipsa daughter so star and her mother is pie beaker
But like I thought that jushtin was salarias big brother so can’t be her father and salaria has eclipsa and she meteora but (adopted ) festivia so I can’t see a relation ...
this happens bc they used the wand and magic at all there was this scene when glossaryck went back in time where he met the founders of mewni created the first wand and gave it to random girl she didn't have checkmarks but later they probably showed up when she did magic same for Marco when he used the wand
That's a lie jushtin got his wand and royal status tooken away because SALARIA was born soooo girls are greater on mewnie so they needed a queen so SALARIA became queen
Justin is like festivia great-uncle because he is eclipse his uncle because he is solarius older brother he's not a father or grandfather to her they're not even biologically related did any of you guys read the book or watch the TV show
Literally the only evidence for this is that they stand next to each other for one episode, and y’all just want to ruin the plot by making Star still being a butterfly. The whole point was to give a huge twist that Star’s history is a lie. Don’t break that. Also, non of the other queens are close to their OWN daughters. So I doubt that Jushtin is Festivia’s father.
They also have same eye color in a way, not the same eye shape, but colors stay in the family even past the initial offsprings.
Yeah!
First,well technically there all Butterflies there just 2 branches
Actually there where many Butterfly's that gave up the throne and lived outside of royalty or just plainly vanished, at that point it could be any of them related to Festivia.
In that case, Marco is apparently a Butterfly. Stupid claim
@@acidicali7776 you don’t mind if I tell you spoilers right? You most likely finished the second season.
Okay so after they destroyed the magic, star wanted to go back in the portals. So she stayed there with Marco. And while they were hugging, Marcos checks glowed up. As crescents. ( Or half a moon) like the stereotypical moon.
@@Woopwiop wand user cheeks glow when using a powerful magic, the wand probably gives any human cheek marks. The all seeing eye marco use is also new, all seeing eye only supposed to spy on someone not make contact.
@@apdroidgeek1737 Oh cool
Maybe one of Jushtin Butterfly and Recluza Spiderbite’s child was disowned for marrying one of the Pie Folk and had Festivia, who found her way back to the Butterfly Family when she was accidentally abandoned as a baby and was adopted by the MHC.
In the Magic Book of Spells, there's a part showing "Marco is a dead horse". He's fighting a dark unicorn in the promo "Cleaved".
And star’s aerole sign is a pig goat, the animals that caused the whole I love you too scene ❤️🥰
CJ R wait! What part or page in the book is it located?
@@aclynczare.384 In Celena's chapter after the spirit attraction potion recipe
How funny cuz it was also another way to insult Marco
Of course they're related, why would the series introduce both skywynne's children?, also when they saw what eclipsa was doing back in the day the only thing the MHC would had do was to ask for a jushtin daughter, they would've rathered jushtin's (boy queen) descendency than solaria's. In SVTFOE there's no coincidences
Um, there are plenty of coincidences in the show. And Jushtin was just introduced because everyone after Skywynne was introduced. And it’s never said that Jushtin has kids, just married a Spiderbite.
@@acidicali7776 Well just because they never said he had kids doesn’t mean he didn’t have any.
There you are wrong. They introduced both to have diversity. Like woo a boy queen. Also, Jushtin's daughter would have been of the age of Eclipsa or more. The "coincidence" of him being by the side of Festivia, could probably have been due to Jushtin being overprotecting. He lost his sister and his niece, so yeah the MHC just told him "uhm this is Festivia, your grandniece, Eclipsa's daughter" and ate that.
@@WendoDoux It also could be because they had similar personalities.Jushtin like being stylish and having fun with his friends and since Festival was a party girl when they met in the weird spirit dimension where wand users seem to reside the got close to each other.Also there is a possibility that Jushtin helped raise her before he passed on.
Another theory is that Glossaryck didn't die in the finale, he simply time travelled to the beginning of time...
yes because glossaryck did start mewni's whole history, and he is an omnipotent being. He didn't die, he is slowly regenerating the magic
@@alexalyncake4256 that's why his neutral cause he already know what happened multiple times
I don't think Jushtin did very much parties during his ruling, he did make a lot of connections with neighbouring kingdoms, he helped his sister with providing aid for her armies and in the book, he's shown to be a brilliant mathematician. Festivia partied because she wanted to and never wanted to be involved with helping the outside world
Okay now I know why festiva is bad. You think her older daughter would have been a bad queen
bobby4 probably not compared to the bunny girl (I forgot her name...I don’t like her much). Dirhhennia wasn’t even that into magic, Jushtin was into magic a bit tho, and it’s not like Solaria was into magic, she hated monsters and that was what her entire life was about. So really, Jushtin would’ve been a better ruler and so would Dirhhennia. Because they weren’t caught up with hating monsters
ツAcidicAli777 bunny girl is named Crescenta
I feel like Justin was still alive after solaria got kachowed in battle so he raised his grand niece after his niece eclipsa "disappeared" and his sister dying in war, so it was natural for him to raise festivia after I assume basically most of his family either unalived or disappeared cuz I'm assuming his mother skywynne unalived.
Jushtin lost the throne because Skywynne had a daughter and the first born daughter gets the throne
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Actually it was because justhin wasn’t very responsible with queen duties , if he was more responsible instead of just partying around and losing the book of spells all the time , then he would have been king / queen cause skywynne only had solaria due to her son’s behaviour and she saw that he wasn’t adequate for the title
Yes that's very true
@@antoniocarlosoliveira9146 It's been proven Justhin wasn't queen (king) because of his sister. The throne is passed from mother to daughter.
That isnt actually why he lost the throne. He lost it because he wasent responsible enough to have the throne
I think that Jushtin and Festivia are grandfather and granddaughter.
I thought you read the book. Festivia was raised by the magical high commission. Shastacan was dead by then.
*Breathe in breath out breath in breath out*
This is too exiting
Finally I've been waiting for someone to make this theory :DD
My Whole Entire Life has been a Time Like this Moon, Well said Eclipsa :D.
I mean, they are technically still related, just in a different way. They’re descended from the same 6 (8?) original pioneers to Mewni, who they discuss in the “Stumpday” and “Meteora’s Lesson” episodes.
There might be something to your theory we know that he married Duchess Recluza of the Spiderbites, but before all that he had an entourage the "Boy-Prince Cru".
Mostly consisting of other princes but what if during that time he had an affair, let's say Viscount Tinbenz solidified Jushtin's relation with the Spiderbites.
But there was another named Whizzbag of Garbage Beach he could have interested Jushtin in possibly a distant relative from Pie Island.
I know it's a long stretch of a theory but it comes as close to Festivia as possible, it's either that or the pie folk kidnapped Festivia from the Spiderbites and claimed her as their own just to sell her back to Shastacan (it's the perfect hustle).
I really hoped that festiva would be the first born daugther of eclipsa with her husband which name I totally forgot. Meteora being her half sister.
Maybe eclipsa would have left her older daughter even though she still loved her. Though eclipsa would have wanted to protect meteora more since yk she is a half monster. And then eclipsa got into a crystal, meteora got send away. Yada, Yada, Yada. And maybe Festiva was pretty close to Jushtin.
But no, they threw that all away... Whatever. I didn't really like the ending and like the whole reveal at all.
I think eclipsa had another daughter named Luna
Luna the child
@@keshi_maru8729 That was a fan made one
@@keshi_maru8729 This is the fan queen.
You can use it for your own AU, but it does not relate to the original in any way
I've been thinking about this for a while,it makes sense since we don't know don't get to know what happened to jushtin or what kind of family he had,if he's the father or grandfather then yeah star is still related to them but then I started not to think about it anymore until you brought it up,the chance is there,we just don't know whether that's true or not like you said
We only know he married into the spiderbite family which Jushtin and his wife could've had two kids but one didn't want to be the king/queen so they left it behind and fell in love with one of the members of the pie folk then they had Festiva which they left behind on accident.
Justin is supposed to be his great-uncle he's not her father or her grandfather he's eclipses Uncle which technically means he is festivia is great-uncle if they were related which they're not and he's solari is older brother
My thoughts are that River could actually be a descendant of them. Seems pretty legit actually
Royal families are always related
@@BelcarrigFarm In fact, Star will belong to the Butterfly family, since we do not know the past queens and kings, as well as who is Celena's lover, so in fact, Star may be a real Butterfly.
Acutally since eclipsa and king shastacan wasn't married anymore everyone in eclipsas bloodline is no longer related to festivia. Maybe if eclipsa and shastacan was still married then that would make festivia her adopted daughter so the boy queen jushtin would be her great uncle because solaria and jushtin were siblings and jushtin was eclipsas uncle
She might be because when moon gets zapped by the first born she goes to the pie folk volcano and the baker (forgot his name) explains how moon is pie folk because of festiva being a pesent and that’s why moon was there but star was not with moon when she was zapped the magic put her in butterfly castle.
No, Moon went there not because she is not from the Butterfly family, but because her father is from Pie Island. She is connected to the island because her father is a resident of Pie Island.
At least, Star is half pie folk on the mother's side, or rather grandfather's side.
If I’m remembering correctly; Jushtin, after being replaced by his younger sister to be queen, joined/helped the magical high commission until he died. And Festivia was raised by the magical high commission until she became queen (Since she had no parents). So I think it’s a pretty good possibility that Jushtin is her grandfather!!
This info is from the book btw
I think that Jushtin Butterflies is granfather or father of Festivia it's logique
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i definetly believe star is still an original butterfly i mean not all butterflies are only children and it most cirtenly cant be that jushtin is the only boy I guess you can say like some of them atleast must have siblings and maybe festivia is the daughter or grand daughter of one of the siblings
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Ah... a dna test through around 7 generations might not be a good idea
Also I the butterfly trap when they gave the wand to festiva it wasn't the same as the book I think thet after Justin was unqueened he went to pie island and got married and brought festiva and shaped her with the baby the mhc brought just so that the royal blood line could stay in tack
There's actually a really good theory and I've never actually thought about that They look so similar I guess I never really paid attention to that and they also have the same eyes
And i doubt festivia has a royal bloodline because the high commission said they swapped metora out with a peasent girl and MOST peasents of mewni are poor so festivia bloodline was probably poor. Her parents probably sold corn or they sold used rags like mina. All this would mean that star is definitely not related to eclipsa and metora and she is not related to all the past queens that came before eclipsa
If your "idea" holds true, Jushtin is supposed to be Festivia's Grandfather, not Father. Think of the Age difference. Even if they aren't related by blood, he's still her Foster Grandfather, considering she's his sister's daughter's foster daughter.
They're coming back with this cartoon in 2024 I saw the new one it's not going to be cost or forces of evil it's going to be called something different
technically Justin was not a party boy he made many friends at the neighboring kingdoms he was kicked out because his sister was born and they're supposed to be a queen on the throne not a king so he got kicked out of his throne in the magic wand in the magic book taken away from him given to his younger sister solaria so really it was just taken from him unfairly
In the book of spells didn't they say Justin married a Princess Spider bite and plus Chastika was a Prince Spider bite, then Festiva could be Chastika grand cousin
Tbh juhstin Does look like festivia and Festivia does have long hair like Juhstin’s wife
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Festivia is Butterfly, just adopted. That dosn't means she is worst then others. My theory is, that since no one knew, Jushtin could be still alive when Festivia was ruler, he could be close to her durning their lives. And to be honest, it make seanse to pick a baby that is similar to last Butterfly like him to show that she is family.
She's not a butterfly mate😂
Kidnapping is not adopting yall ppl are weird 😂
@@moneybilla she was not the one who was kidnapped. And if that's the case she is Butterfly. Her background don't matter.
I have been thinking about this since the book came out!!!
I think so too
I'm excited but sad that it will end so soon
my point of view is that the queen boy justin was festivias dad thats why they picked her / omg yes you re totallly right it makes so much sense
What? I did not think this!
Makes sense!
It make sense but they could also be a couple... I know its kinda wierd but they have similarities and the way Jushtin held Festivia...😏
I love this idea
I think that is too much of coincidence that out of 9 queens the two that they decided to be together where the exact two that people have made a theory about having a connection to one another
Festivia isnt even daugther of the eclipsa.
It would derail one of her carictor archs I hope not
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Festiva and Justin have the same eyes and same diamond blue necklace
I don't think she's related. I think certain queens just somewhat get along more then other. Festiva and Justin both have party social personalities in them. so it's likely they get along..
You have a point now I have mixed feelings about this one side I think they are still related Festiva being Justin granddaughter then one side of me thinks it ended with Meteora.
Anyone else wondering where Skywynne was in the Grandma room? All the other Queens were there except her...
Grandfather? I see it more as cousins a little bit
Ok so this backs up the theory I think but if they said they weren’t related but if they weren’t why did Festiva have check marks or this is wrong but I don’t know why it confuses me but you know
Maybe justin was the one to abandon festiva or someone seperated them. Somehow Shastican knew this and so he took her
I'd like to point out that there aren't many royal families and due to that they could related through marriage and blood
The problem I have with it is that, in the show there is the game of flags which show branches of the butterfly family. In typical royalty if such a disgrace like elcipsa did happen why would they choose a child of pie folk and not a member of the extended family?
Solaria is angry😂😂😂
Ok so here what I think happen J when to party and had one night stand when she found she was pregnant she left and went to that island I forgot it's name and after that she gave birth to daughter/son and we went on to birth to festiva so yeah that what I think happen
I do agree with you
Jushtins sister is solaria right
They are related because of the magic.
It wouldn’t really work considering that Jushtin is eclipsa’s uncle and he married into the spider bite family and not the pie folk.
The granddaughter could work though their child could've left being queen/king behind they would marry one of the pie folk then had Festivia. If they had one more kid then I see it happening the princess/prince leaving the queen behind for his/her sibling. Which might be Princess Penelope Spiderbite 4x great grandpa/great grandma or something along them lines.
Star and her mother is not from butterfly family because festivia is not eclipsa daughter meteor is eclipsa daughter so star and her mother is pie beaker
But like I thought that jushtin was salarias big brother so can’t be her father and salaria has eclipsa and she meteora but (adopted ) festivia so I can’t see a relation ...
No Jushtin was kicked off the throne cause Skywyn had a daughter so the daughter took presidency over him because she's a girl
If they are not Family then why does the rest of the family have the marks
this happens bc they used the wand and magic at all there was this scene when glossaryck went back in time where he met the founders of mewni created the first wand and gave it to random girl she didn't have checkmarks but later they probably showed up when she did magic same for Marco when he used the wand
I found more evidence, Justin’s Queen name is Justin The Uncalculated. And Star’s is the underestimated, they’re similar. And 92nd comment.
So star isnt related to the other butterflys before festiva what's stars last name cause she ain't related to the others
Hi i like the theory.
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That's a lie jushtin got his wand and royal status tooken away because SALARIA was born soooo girls are greater on mewnie so they needed a queen so SALARIA became queen
Yes
Justin is like festivia great-uncle because he is eclipse his uncle because he is solarius older brother he's not a father or grandfather to her they're not even biologically related did any of you guys read the book or watch the TV show
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Literally the only evidence for this is that they stand next to each other for one episode, and y’all just want to ruin the plot by making Star still being a butterfly. The whole point was to give a huge twist that Star’s history is a lie. Don’t break that. Also, non of the other queens are close to their OWN daughters. So I doubt that Jushtin is Festivia’s father.
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