Actually, when a fire reaches a specific tension, then it becames a firestorm. the fire itself produces a high-spedd wind which blows away everything on its path. And the fire is carried on and on... No need for the flames to jump, the wind blowes away sparkles and pieces of wood on fire and so the fire jumps the obstacle...
@garf1eld029 I actually work on one of the green engines that you saw in this video (E-34 on one of the helmets). The USFS is a nationwide wildland firefighting agency, they fight fire on national forest service land, but if needed will assist local state and city agencies if needed. You don't see them often because our agency is very bad at putting themselves and their mission on the news, so we are often overlooked and even sometimes mistaken as inmate crews... lol
respect guys we lost four fire fighters in the Uk last weeks trying to search a building that might have people inside, it didnt, the fire was arson & 4 good guys paid with their lives. KEEP IT SAFE
I'm no firefighter, but I'm glad they were. We hear on the news about the fires but always from the air or a safe distance. I don't think anyone who isn't a firefighter has any idea what it's like fighting these wildfires - I know I don't. I'm sure this is just a taste of what firefighters face when the Santa Ana winds whip up and I'm glad it was filmed and posted on RUclips. Thank you guys for protecting us and charging into harm's way.
I have Seen It For My Self And I'm Only A Cadet One Of My Mates When We Were Doing A Burn Didn't Know What He Was Doing And No One Was Telling Him So When We Told Him To Spray The Fire That Was Getting Close To The Trees He Didn't Know How Made A Bigger Fire And It Was Terrifying We Put It Out Though
That has to be one of the most terrifying situations to find yourself in, PERIOD. At least with most fires you can back out and re-attack it, but wildfires completely surround you. I was in Yosemite back in the 80's right before that huge fire erupted from a lightning strike, and I'm glad I wasn't still around to see it. Bravo Zulu to you folks.
n5iln haha no kidding...... had the same thing happen to us in 2013 and we lost a engine, it was over heads fault for that, too many higher ups in command with big ego's and a female FOS who put us there in the first place, lets just say we never seen her and the officer above her again on that fire haha
Yes there are many different departments that can respond to a fire it just depends on where the fire begins at and also what available departments that can respond. I know up here in Montana we have at least 5 different departments ranging from, Forest service, BLM, DNRC, BIA, city firefighters, rural/volunteer firefighters, and even contractors.
bushfires like this are scary, i know im a rural in an australian briagde. what happened in this video was what we call the deadman zone, the wind changed direction on the flank of the fire to which they were heading, they were lucky to get out. Triplereiki, as a rural i get questions like this all the time, as long as there is no shubbery or leaves in your gutters etc, staying inside your house is best, if the area around your house is clean it means its defendable. metal gets hot odnt use it
@garf1eld029 Hi, the USFS units are only stationed in and around National Forests, and the locales where their Admin and HQ units are located. So if a fire is near a NF (much of the west is) you will see them. In a major incident assets will be coming from a wider area like a region and you are more likely to see them. Just look at a Map of the National Forests and you will get some idea of how many areas might have a USFS presence.
@SAFirey1 Your right when it come to fighting a running fire like that it is difficult to control. Perimeter control and use of aircraft is the same strategy with a running fire in CA. USA. We also have hand crews from the State and Federal agencies, that work the flanks of the fire. Hose reels are only used in the mop up stages of the fire. Hose lays are used with a 1"1/2 line for fire attack. We can use pump and roll strategy as well. Did not look possible in that terrian.
Their was one department i was helping and the wild land fire fighteres were out of the county and district for months maybe 3 months at the most for a wildfire in Ohio then they were called to the wildfire in Calfiornia i believe as well i think the montana fire so they all had a rough season and they were happy to be home to see their friends and family members.
@chevyhavok As far as i know , we dont have USFS here in hawaii. We do have NPS though but ive never seen them do any firefighting, only seen em on the news when they go to the mainland to help out there. Most of the federal land we have in hawaii is owned by the military, so military Fed Fire handles that and sometimes helps out city and county
I love the way all you Monday Morning quarterbacks know everything that happened on this fire. I wasn't there and wouldn't hazard a guess as to what actually happened. Especially when you are looking at edited video snippets. Even though you plan for the unexpected, sometimes you are thrown into a situation no one could have foreseen. I'm sure all of you guys have never had anything turn to crap on you when you're at a call.
The heat from that bushfire would melt the tires, you get out of control, slam into a tree and your dead. Smoke would also reduce visibility. Being Aussie is scary, I got caught in a bushfire once, you have to get behind the flames and your fine.
Here in Norway we don't have "Wildlife" firefighters. Just simple Firefighters, and the Norwegian Civil Defence, which I'm planning to join in 3-4 months...
I was a wildland firefighter for 13 years and a structure firefighter and officer for 7 years. I applied a lot of what I learned in wildfire to structure fire but those things only provided a foundation. I think wildfire fighting was more intense because the assignments are quite long, 2-3 weeks with no comforts of home. It can be dangerous and tense. Structure fires were intense but of short duration. Structure fires frequently had more of a life hazard.
most buildings are wood and concrete... Inside the buildings isn't very much wind that makes the flames go faster. Trees and bushes are much more flammable because of the spreading of the branches. I think wildland fires are much more dangerous.
i agree with firebrother.. you really cant compare the two. one is in a more controlled enviroment then compared to one in tthe open with the possibilities of wind, RH, terrain, etc
lol. good point right there. i am a new fire fighter. just took the state test the other day. but im in training. you have a very good point there. lol
You are much more likely to be up close and personal with fire if you are burning in say Wisconsin. Out West you get a lot more digging lines all day and never seeing the fire.
No wonder the Forest Circus loses guys. Keep your heads up and be a little cognizant of your surroundings! Remember your Fire Orders and LCES! (I work for Oregon Department of Forestry.)
Perfect illustration of utilization of a marginal safety zone with a clear escape route... Until you witness Wildland Fire Behavior from the sky, it is difficult to understand how things can change so drastically on the ground... We always need a place to pull back... and PUNT! SAFETY FIRST! ...especially when resources BECOME inadequate!
when the fire fighters are going up the hill why don't they have a tool with them? and why isn't the water on already? not that it would have helped with how fast that was going. maybe you guys have different regulations then Idaho...
Nice Eff-up, Gentlemen. You guys didn't realize that you had unburned fuel between you and the fire? You don't carry fusees, drip torches, Bic lighters, matches, NOTHING to fire out a safe zone around your engines? It's sad to see that my old department has forgotten how to fight fire safely.
Santa Anas, & that was some piss-poor work there. As soon as they hit the ground the engineer(s) or captain(s) should have fired out the brush upwind of the road for a distance of @ 100' to the front & rear of where they spotted. They failed to do so. It takes the heat off the crews & equip. by backburning upwind. They almost paid a high price for "stupid" like the guys in Az. just did. NEVER just let the head run into you! ALWAYS fire out between you and the approaching head of the fire.
(1/2) Dusty Rhodes - not sure what perspective of this vid you're viewing it from 0:01 to 1:30... My perspective: Two T-3 engines & a WT are attempting to hold the road with fire on the Captain's side of engine. Embers are thrown across road to the other side under Santa Ana wind conditions. CNF E-48 sees it and initiate's action to flank the spot-fire. No issues with that. They're anchored into the road for safety & have a LG water tender and a BDF engine behind them. It looks like they're trying to flank the fire's edge with a hose-lay attempting to pinch it off before the breakout gets established. No issues with that .
(2/2) Dusty Rhodes - My perspective: E-48 working their hose-lay on the flank and trying pinch it off and get around the head. But as you know Santa Ana wind conditions at Lytle Creek, Cabazon or Cajon Pass are not steady state or constant direction. It's not apparent to me why Captain 48 is having them disengage. My guess is that (can't tell from the footage) that the wind vector has turned 45 degrees and now has head fire coming at them. That would be a good reason to disengage!
Dusty Rhodes - "should have fired out the brush upwind of the road for a distance of @ 100' to the front & rear of where they spotted." Not sure what that would accomplish. Firing it out without an tie-in point is useless and would just further establish your breakout. With the squirrel-ly wind conditions in the Cajon Pass you'd have fire going in all directions and more fire than you can handle. Hey - but I worked on the Angeles and Cleveland so I've seen that area.
as a wildland professional, they shoulda been out a there way earlier. it looked like they were tryin to do some dumb shit cause there was a camera around and it bit em in the ass. looked like cdf, figures
us aussie fighters wouldn't jump in that shit we would driveby shower because we have commen sense lel its like they were on there first day of the job with no training
Green blast couldn't have said it better. They might be wherein suits that protect them, but they aren't fireproof. Wonder how you'd feel if you were that close. Believe me. If death looks you right in the eye you be scared.
You know its time to leave when you see the fire department throwing half charged hose onto the top of the trucks so they can get the hell out lol
No shit 😬
To the helitack crew you boys do a fine job!!! I am one of the guys on the ground and it's nice to have y'all up there helping us out!!!
0:50 "DISENGAGE!" Holy crap that was terrifying!
Actually, when a fire reaches a specific tension, then it becames a firestorm.
the fire itself produces a high-spedd wind which blows away everything on its path.
And the fire is carried on and on...
No need for the flames to jump, the wind blowes away sparkles and pieces of wood on fire and so the fire jumps the obstacle...
Dang very dangerous job glad noone was too badly injured. I watch this a lot for motivation
@garf1eld029 I actually work on one of the green engines that you saw in this video (E-34 on one of the helmets). The USFS is a nationwide wildland firefighting agency, they fight fire on national forest service land, but if needed will assist local state and city agencies if needed. You don't see them often because our agency is very bad at putting themselves and their mission on the news, so we are often overlooked and even sometimes mistaken as inmate crews... lol
respect guys
we lost four fire fighters in the Uk last weeks trying to search a building that might have people inside, it didnt, the fire was arson & 4 good guys paid with their lives.
KEEP IT SAFE
I'm no firefighter, but I'm glad they were. We hear on the news about the fires but always from the air or a safe distance. I don't think anyone who isn't a firefighter has any idea what it's like fighting these wildfires - I know I don't. I'm sure this is just a taste of what firefighters face when the Santa Ana winds whip up and I'm glad it was filmed and posted on RUclips. Thank you guys for protecting us and charging into harm's way.
I have Seen It For My Self And I'm Only A Cadet
One Of My Mates When We Were Doing A Burn Didn't Know What He Was Doing And No One Was Telling Him
So When We Told Him To Spray The Fire That Was Getting Close To The Trees He Didn't Know How
Made A Bigger Fire And It Was Terrifying We Put It Out Though
Wind changed direction.
I can feel the heat just by watching this omg
That has to be one of the most terrifying situations to find yourself in, PERIOD. At least with most fires you can back out and re-attack it, but wildfires completely surround you. I was in Yosemite back in the 80's right before that huge fire erupted from a lightning strike, and I'm glad I wasn't still around to see it. Bravo Zulu to you folks.
Does no one read about the Mann Gulch fire anymore?
n5iln haha no kidding...... had the same thing happen to us in 2013 and we lost a engine, it was over heads fault for that, too many higher ups in command with big ego's and a female FOS who put us there in the first place, lets just say we never seen her and the officer above her again on that fire haha
What ever happened to facing your escape route? unless compromised
Fuck that got hot so fast. The fire just appeared out of nowhere
so....general fire orders and lookout situations ring a bell???
Great footage. that shows how intense a fire can get.
i'm a wildland firefighter volunteer in North Italy. Never seen a fire like this aniway! Good luck boys!
Yes there are many different departments that can respond to a fire it just depends on where the fire begins at and also what available departments that can respond. I know up here in Montana we have at least 5 different departments ranging from, Forest service, BLM, DNRC, BIA, city firefighters, rural/volunteer firefighters, and even contractors.
bushfires like this are scary, i know im a rural in an australian briagde. what happened in this video was what we call the deadman zone, the wind changed direction on the flank of the fire to which they were heading, they were lucky to get out. Triplereiki, as a rural i get questions like this all the time, as long as there is no shubbery or leaves in your gutters etc, staying inside your house is best, if the area around your house is clean it means its defendable. metal gets hot odnt use it
That is scary
damn when your in somthing like that you think your in hell. litteraly.
@garf1eld029 Hi, the USFS units are only stationed in and around National Forests, and the locales where their Admin and HQ units are located. So if a fire is near a NF (much of the west is) you will see them. In a major incident assets will be coming from a wider area like a region and you are more likely to see them. Just look at a Map of the National Forests and you will get some idea of how many areas might have a USFS presence.
@SAFirey1 Your right when it come to fighting a running fire like that it is difficult to control. Perimeter control and use of aircraft is the same strategy with a running fire in CA. USA. We also have hand crews from the State and Federal agencies, that work the flanks of the fire. Hose reels are only used in the mop up stages of the fire. Hose lays are used with a 1"1/2 line for fire attack. We can use pump and roll strategy as well. Did not look possible in that terrian.
always the old videos in 1;1 aspect ratio with the great video.
and why is it that the utility trucks are always facing opposite to the engines💀💀
Sooo do you think they have the a/c on in the trucks?
Why the HELL were the first two tender crews parked pointing IN instead of OUT?
Only thing that MIGHT be safer would be a helmet cam, but that wouldn't get the big picture as well.
Their was one department i was helping and the wild land fire fighteres were out of the county and district for months maybe 3 months at the most for a wildfire in Ohio then they were called to the wildfire in Calfiornia i believe as well i think the montana fire so they all had a rough season and they were happy to be home to see their friends and family members.
My goodness hurry up. I want to get out of there
Almost soiled myself just watching this. Great video, great work done by the FFs
San Bernardino County..Louisiana??????
its called wildland gear, its made to be lightweight and built for the conditions they face... structural gear is what you see the FDNY wearing...
The paint scheme on that green truck looked just like a St. John's, Newfoundland municipal vehicle.. LOL
@chevyhavok As far as i know , we dont have USFS here in hawaii. We do have NPS though but ive never seen them do any firefighting, only seen em on the news when they go to the mainland to help out there. Most of the federal land we have in hawaii is owned by the military, so military Fed Fire handles that and sometimes helps out city and county
I can’t imagine the radiant heat coming off that wall.
In Australia , there was a wildfire spreading 65 mph.
Give me a structure fire any day ! I have fought field fires and they are a pain in the ass. I can't imagine wild land fires !
I love the way all you Monday Morning quarterbacks know everything that happened on this fire. I wasn't there and wouldn't hazard a guess as to what actually happened. Especially when you are looking at edited video snippets. Even though you plan for the unexpected, sometimes you are thrown into a situation no one could have foreseen. I'm sure all of you guys have never had anything turn to crap on you when you're at a call.
This is an average summer in Australia!
this is now an average year in California
THAT is for real...!
Do you have a Civil Defence?
And, what is the point with having spesial Wildfire firefighters?
Wow!
Its scary and disturbing to see how big those flames are, they had to get out of there.
And how fast it came up on them.
StereoSpace I know they got that tall, its crazy.
when the going gets tough USFS calls in montana aerial rescue ~~
I'm not familiar with wildland firefighting. How do you go about containing something like that?
Aaron Kundla to answer that, you couldent
The heat from that bushfire would melt the tires, you get out of control, slam into a tree and your dead. Smoke would also reduce visibility.
Being Aussie is scary, I got caught in a bushfire once, you have to get behind the flames and your fine.
Here in Norway we don't have "Wildlife" firefighters. Just simple Firefighters, and the Norwegian Civil Defence, which I'm planning to join in 3-4 months...
Published on Jan 23 2010
I was a wildland firefighter for 13 years and a structure firefighter and officer for 7 years. I applied a lot of what I learned in wildfire to structure fire but those things only provided a foundation. I think wildfire fighting was more intense because the assignments are quite long, 2-3 weeks with no comforts of home. It can be dangerous and tense. Structure fires were intense but of short duration. Structure fires frequently had more of a life hazard.
Cleveland National Forest.. that's where I'm stationed!!
stupid to think they can fight fire in so windy condition..
most buildings are wood and concrete... Inside the buildings isn't very much wind that makes the flames go faster. Trees and bushes are much more flammable because of the spreading of the branches. I think wildland fires are much more dangerous.
i agree with firebrother.. you really cant compare the two. one is in a more controlled enviroment then compared to one in tthe open with the possibilities of wind, RH, terrain, etc
I've got Raccoon eyes from where my goggles were at. lol :D
getting in the vehicle is exactly what you do in a situation like this.
lol. good point right there. i am a new fire fighter. just took the state test the other day. but im in training. you have a very good point there. lol
You are much more likely to be up close and personal with fire if you are burning in say Wisconsin. Out West you get a lot more digging lines all day and never seeing the fire.
im a firefighter in NY and you guys out is cali are some tough sons a bitches. good job guys and gals be safe.
No wonder the Forest Circus loses guys. Keep your heads up and be a little cognizant of your surroundings! Remember your Fire Orders and LCES! (I work for Oregon Department of Forestry.)
Well, that's true, in Norway it would have cost too much to have a special group of firefighters...
Perfect illustration of utilization of a marginal safety zone with a clear escape route... Until you witness Wildland Fire Behavior from the sky, it is difficult to understand how things can change so drastically on the ground... We always need a place to pull back... and PUNT! SAFETY FIRST! ...especially when resources BECOME inadequate!
Brutal
They get an "A" for effort.
They need to be blowing a whistle or something instead of trying to yell over the roar of the wind and fire.
wow crazy
Come fight the fire in fort mac alberta we need help!
Is Alberta forest fire still happening? I heard its a massive fire.
uhoh. NOTGOOD! looks like the wind didnt help.......
Seems like "press" was in the way.
Just did a perscribed fire today in the middle of Wisconsin, I'm sunburned from the fire because we were so closes. :D HOORAA I LOVE FIRE!
That' ain't a close call...that's like staring at the gates of hell!
怎么了管子漏水了？
You couldnt have chosen a worse song.
Same goes for Finland... no special "Wildfire" firefighters...
This is called being in HELL!
1:50 tha fuck outta here!
when the fire fighters are going up the hill why don't they have a tool with them? and why isn't the water on already? not that it would have helped with how fast that was going. maybe you guys have different regulations then Idaho...
*THAN, not then
looks like hell
It also shows how badly fire officers can screw up and how crews get killed by poor training and tactics.
Nice Eff-up, Gentlemen. You guys didn't realize that you had unburned fuel between you and the fire? You don't carry fusees, drip torches, Bic lighters, matches, NOTHING to fire out a safe zone around your engines? It's sad to see that my old department has forgotten how to fight fire safely.
DO NOT RISK YOUR LIFE FOR BRUSH N WEEDS THAT WILL GROW BACK FIRT RAIN
I'll stick with structural fires, thanks lol. I hope I never have to see anything like that
Fire and flood, God save America.
Santa Anas, & that was some piss-poor work there. As soon as they hit the ground the engineer(s) or captain(s) should have fired out the brush upwind of the road for a distance of @ 100' to the front & rear of where they spotted. They failed to do so. It takes the heat off the crews & equip. by backburning upwind. They almost paid a high price for "stupid" like the guys in Az. just did. NEVER just let the head run into you! ALWAYS fire out between you and the approaching head of the fire.
Dusty Rhodes the best thing to have when things go south is good black really close to you!
(1/2) Dusty Rhodes - not sure what perspective of this vid you're viewing it from 0:01 to 1:30...
My perspective: Two T-3 engines & a WT are attempting to hold the road with fire on the Captain's side of engine. Embers are thrown across road to the other side under Santa Ana wind conditions. CNF E-48 sees it and initiate's action to flank the spot-fire. No issues with that. They're anchored into the road for safety & have a LG water tender and a BDF engine behind them. It looks like they're trying to flank the fire's edge with a hose-lay attempting to pinch it off before the breakout gets established. No issues with that .
(2/2) Dusty Rhodes -
My perspective: E-48 working their hose-lay on the flank and trying pinch it off and get around the head. But as you know Santa Ana wind conditions at Lytle Creek, Cabazon or Cajon Pass are not steady state or constant direction. It's not apparent to me why Captain 48 is having them disengage. My guess is that (can't tell from the footage) that the wind vector has turned 45 degrees and now has head fire coming at them. That would be a good reason to disengage!
Dusty Rhodes -
"should have fired out the brush upwind of the road for a distance of @ 100' to the front & rear of where they spotted."
Not sure what that would accomplish. Firing it out without an tie-in point is useless and would just further establish your breakout. With the squirrel-ly wind conditions in the Cajon Pass you'd have fire going in all directions and more fire than you can handle.
Hey - but I worked on the Angeles and Cleveland so I've seen that area.
哇火真大
as a wildland professional, they shoulda been out a there way earlier. it looked like they were tryin to do some dumb shit cause there was a camera around and it bit em in the ass. looked like cdf, figures
Getting in a car is NOT what you do if you get caught in a burnover. These guys lack bushfire experience vastly.
us aussie fighters wouldn't jump in that shit we would driveby shower because we have commen sense lel its like they were on there first day of the job with no training
you seem to forget fighting fire in the U.S is different from Australia.
JonnyAUS STRAYA I doubt your a firefighter "lel" yep ok
You should go to school and learn about fire behavior in different parts of the world and then come back and post so you don’t embarrass yourself
So scared of fire....weak
Green blast couldn't have said it better. They might be wherein suits that protect them, but they aren't fireproof. Wonder how you'd feel if you were that close. Believe me. If death looks you right in the eye you be scared.