I worked with American Rivers and California Trout to restore a creek on my property on the Eel River. It is amazing to see the change that happens. That project was nowhere near the scope of the Klamath River project. I am so happy to see this happening. As a child I saw huge salmon runs. They are all gone now. In such a short time we have completely altered the west coast from a thriving food forest to cities and dams. Great thanks to the Yurok people. I hope you shall prosper from this event for the next thousand years.
@@LGTheOneFreeMan You do know you can actually read about this and how the fish and rest of the ecosystem came back ten times faster than expected. Believe it or not, mother nature actually recovers really fast.
Thanks for the excellent coverage of this. While I do feel for the few hundred folks that bought "lakefront" property, in my opinion this will benefit far more people, wildlife, and the environment so I see it as a net-positive overall.
That’s truly how we should look at things. For some reason we let minority groups receive privileges that don’t benefit or even negatively affect the majority. I know it’s a thin line but our reasoning needs to change.
@@TomBTerrific I agree, but we should be careful and state, we aren't advocating for Communism, but we would like a little Social in our democracy. Enough of this winner takes all crap
This is so very wonderful. And the residents that stick around will watch it flourish; they'll have property overlooking a river, a healthy river, not a stagnant, dead fish, disease pond. Yeah, there might be a year or two of bummersome situations, maybe some dust, but the benefits drastically outweigh the bad. I wish I was on the West Coast, so I could watch the transformation. The Elwah in Washington was such a huge, rapid success.
@choosewisely4722 it's great to see fishermen embrace a natural river and appreciate it over a stagnant lake. Now if we can get the Rodman dam in North Florida removed. It was intended for a trans-Florida oil barge canal that never happened. Now it just caters to a few out-of-state fishermen that come in for tournaments.. they spend very little money in the state in the process. Now there's been a couple generations of people who've only known the lake. Many can't see the future or the past. When they could be fishing many miles of unspoiled, pristine river. I don't solely focus on fishing though, I value a healthy river overall, fishing or not. It just piles up water and nutrients where there's too much, and then it starves and dries out the areas that need it. No balance....a completely unnecessary, non-functional project. I would say "obsolete"....but it was never "solete" to begin with lol
Along side 680 in Walnut Creek in the City of Walnut Creek the Chinook Salmon are blocked by a 13 foot dam. A fish ladder would be an easy fix. Maybe with some media attention Contra Costa County would do something about it. It a known problem that is being ignored.
Dams effect the entire watershed for the worse though. I know they said fish passage is the main goal but that is far from the only benefit. I'm not sure if there's a fish ladder design that would also help move sediments and other aquatic species like turtles, snails, plants, etc.
People don't understand how important these fish are, for the land and people they effect..... Hopefully this will be the norm on all these dams that absuluty serve no purpose in this day in age
On my opinion, it's finally time and fair enough for the people to leave around it. Like many other things in life, things has to change on this will be for the better.
I'm not expert and I understand there are losers here but as an outsider with no personal involvement I think we really need to error on the side of natural state of the earth before it's too late. If we get a flood plain back perhaps it will restore rich soil? I grew up on a river that flooded regularly. Our garden and fruit trees were amazing. We never had to fertilize. The soil was incredible. I'm curious about land rights though. If your house property went to a lake edge does it now extend to the river? I think that would be a great win for the homeowners.
"Mountain in the Clouds" an early eighties hardcover by a Seattle/P.I. reporter tellls the story of how more fish VALUE was destroyed in the dam building between 1890 and 1910 than was CREATED by Hydro. But fish are free; Hydro is an income stream. pun intended.
The Native Americans have been in the area for seven thousand years. White people have lived around the dams for at most a hundred years. Who has the most right to the water? No brainer for me, maybe not for those who care only about themselves and their immediate wants. I can't help but think somehow the Native Americans will be shorted as the US government has done for centuries since white people came to North America. After all, the dams are coming out only because the owners don't want to spend money on upgrades for fish to pass, not because Native Americans are recognized as having any rights to the water free flowing or to the fish. White people will quickly figure out a way to get money from the fish, most likely by shoving Native Americans aside.
I agree with that simply because the nazi state of California will find a way to monetize it guaranty it does not give shit who gets penalized and does not discriminate on color or ethnicity it's a equal asswhipping opportunity to put it mildly
So your saying people didn't show up to this area tell what 1930s. You're off a bit easy to have an opinion like that when it has no effect on your life.
Megatonnes of sediment builds up behind dams in few decades. Remove the dam and most of that will wash downstream, despite efforts to stabilize it with plants. It will smother spawning beds and do other damage, and while the river will-probably, eventually, mostly-clean itself, it only takes one year’s total failure to destroy a spawning run. Suggestion? Build one suction dredge that can be taken apart, transported by truck, and reassembled behind a dam scheduled for removal; we should be able to schedule dam removals so that one or two machines will do for all. Dredge most of the sediment out from behind the dam, and it will not be there to wash downstream. I don’t know where/how we dispose of all that, if it’s contaminated with agricultural and other chemicals-but then we don’t want to let that contaminate the downstream river bottom anyway. Where it is clean enough, it’s silt, very rich soil, and it could be sold to farmers or as a component of potting soil. There are no wastes, only un-utilized resources.
I hope they do this here in sacramento ca. We have folsom dam blocking 2/3 of the spawning ground. Salmon are tiny now and not many come back. We used to have 60+lb fish all the time, now when people catch a 25-30lb fish it’s all over the internet.
That will never happen on the big Central Valley rim dams in California; however, we are already exploring feasibility of fish passage projects above Shasta and Oroville and can easily do the same on the American River past Folsom Dam. The time has come where we need to do everything possible to get salmon to high quality habitat where the water stays cold as it comes out of the mountains. Why should we keep salmon spawning in an area that is no longer going to be hospitable for them as the climate continues to warm, forcing us to save more cold water to support them when there's plenty of cold water above the dams.
@@jimrl8it’s called appeasing. People like what sounds good. It doesn’t have to actually work so long as we have politicians, experts, corporations and others agreeing to tell the same nice story to the people we will believe them. Year after year, decade after decade they do this.
Think outside the box the Improved fishery may run the property value up. Good luck to all .I love Salmon .I can't afford to go there and fish let alone ever retire but others can change is difficult. Enjoy and be greatful for what we have. I'm just glad to have a roof over my head and food to eat.
It's good to see areas naturalized again! I just hope this doesn't affect downstream communities and infrastructure when the flood season comes again. They may need to make some major adjustments they weren't prepared for. Also not sure that the EPA infographic and the gentleman discussing "fish passage" are on the same page here. He says fish swim upstream, but the Ohio EPA is illustrating fish being blocked from going downstream. Off topic, but if Ohio is famous for it's historic lock and canal systems couldn't someone engineer a mini-canal or slide just for the fish to use? Or even do that in this situation. I have seen fish ladders in use before, and it would be much more economically feasible than completely removing a bunch of dams. You can just open up full flows first before removal. Use the money instead to build more reservoirs to serve southern California where more water is desperately needed.
Dams effect the entire watershed, they don't only block fish passage. They block everything. They reduce/alter flow upstream and cause sediment buildup. Our river here was basically dying because the dam effected the ecology so much. It was a detriment to the turtles, fish, snails, plants, etc. Decommissioning it saw an almost immediate improvement to the river. There are natural processes that help reduce flows during flood conditions. Flood plains, meanders, riffles, etc. We built a 30ft wall to protect houses in a flood prone area. The wall just pushes water over to the flood plains on the opposite side of the river. There's plenty of options that can be looked into. The only negative of this entire project is people losing their lake front property. Even though the lake shouldn't be there, I'm sure that wasn't in the thinking when they bought the home.
@@TomBTerrific I didn't say the dams are the only issue, you said that. The dams aren't the only issue, but they are the biggest issue when it comes to recovering salmon populations! Don't put words in other people's mouths!
Hopefully the Klamath Nation will ALSO allow salmon to go up to the Hoopa Plateua and replenish the runs that THAT native nation got screwed out of......by the Klamath running nets all the way across the streams.
Removing the dams is for the benefit of the river which in a way benefits the public that is allowed to use it. How many homes can be affected by this ? 100+-? Why can’t our tax dollars compensate those owners say 50-100k for the reduced value of their home and land? That would be a one time payment of say 10 million. We seem to be able to spend billions for illegals, foreign wars, and foreign aid to countries that don’t even like us. How hard is this. Everything has a price with benefits and cost. We should make sure our citizens are the first to be cared for.
im not taking sides here since there is only one winner but i would just like to know at what point did this lady catch 300 fish a day? i call bs unless she is 110 yrs old lol
Amazing how out of touch the announcer is at the end talking about it must be nuts to remove dams in a drought region. Maybe there's too many people in those areas. Maybe you can move to an area where there is enough water.
This is great and all, but one has to wonder what precident this dam removal will set to eventually have ALL dams removed all over our entire nation...... 🤔
This will have no effect on fish runs until they are managed properly. Between the commercials, Indian nets, and the many hundreds of sportmens the fish don't stand a chance. All you green tree huggers think that taking down the dams will solve the problem. Not true!!!!!!! The runs from the past did not have the pressure on them as they do now. Even the Chinese have found our fish in international waters. Don't get me wrong, taking down the dams can't hurt but the fish runs will never be what they once were with everyone fishing for them.
The Klamath River Hydroelectric Project generates, annually, enough low-cost, reliable power for 70,000 households. The dams provide good-paying, technical jobs and are the largest single private taxpayer in the county of Siskiyou. So we aren't going green then?
It's not like the noble Indian is going to return. But well see. I hope that we all get to fish the river, especially when the noble Indians get to. But are they going to get to use nets.
@@thomasquall8476 Overfishing. Besides unsportsmanlike. Just stick to the legal method. They can still catch enough and you can bet they all have food stamps already.
Uh huh ya bigot. First Americans fished anytime, anyway they wanted on these rivers for 12-15,000 years before euros invaded. Couple hundred years after whitey shows up the fish are basically wiped out from euros sheer stupidity and greed. To this day that same level of stupidity blames First Americans for the demise of the salmon runs. So fu.
@Donjuan-ly3td No, tje river doesn't belong to them. It belongs to all of us. The rich and poor and even the middle class alike. Your way of thinking is very dangerous. Besides if you believe that,why don't you give up your home and move back to where your ancestor came from. But I doubt you would survive anywhere else and if you just happen to be native just what makes you believe it would be that easy? Especially trying to wear a loincloth in winter.
I wonder how this might affect flooding not having as much control over water say there is heavy snow melt off. In the dry years if we remove the dams will it go dry? Also will this cause the power rates to go up? News reporting that seems one sided to me. Time will tell my guess is the fish population doesn't come back they blame it on particulate matter. Lose of jobs power increases maybe add a few more taxes to add solar panels. Then localized flooding at some point and its blamed on climate change.
@@olyokie Klamath lake is not being drained by the dams they are removing. So your comment is irrelevant use your head. But to your point if there's no lake yeah probably not going to be poisonous.
Well Einstein ya might want to visit that project’s website and have your mom read to you about how knocking these fn dams down will flush that poisonous blue green algae body of water known as Klamath Lake…….another euro centric f up. But hey, they’re just the experts…..I am sure you know more.
So when 100 years of slit is released how is that going to benefit the fish? Really dam removal of this magnitude is nothing more than an experiment. Watch the tribes complain when this doesn't turn out like they intended.
It will take time, but it will clear and create a unique estuary that will benefit the fry and hopefully they return stronger. Salmonids are very resilient fish, some return in 2 years, 4 years, etcetera to ensure they are not extinct by one bad year class. They will evolve and succeed
The sediment and it’s myriad contents will create a diverse array of micro habitats along the river and its mouth. This will boost species diversity and in turn salmon numbers.
If the dams went in 100 years ago and she is seeing a 300 to 3 reduction in fish in her lifetime (WAY less than 100 years), then there must be other explanations than just the dam. The reduction in fish would have been immediate from the time the dam was built - the fish couldn't get past them then nor now. Maybe over fishing had an impact? Should have put some of those 300 fish back, maybe? So we are trading a green source of power for an experiment that may not improve the salmon fishery that much. Data on improvements of fish movement and proliferation by dam removal is not conclusive as near as I can tell. And very biased reporting, BTW. The only people shown opposing the dam removal are homeowners on the lake that will be destroyed. They are given the "poor baby" short shrift. But there are plenty of other people and groups opposed to it. Do a little more research and report in a more balanced way. I'm glad I don't have to listen to your reporting on a regular basis. Way too one-sided.
@Donjuan-ly3td so getting rid of it caused lost jobs and less green energy but we're supposed pretend anyone actually cares about climate change or people's financial situations?
I thought Salmon were only smart enough to return to their place of birth to spawn when and if possible. I don't really see how whacking all the dams is going to somehow show them the way to the promised land of their great, great, great, great ancestors. I'm not sure if I got enough greats? lol....Maybe the tribe will blow peace pipe smoke in the water to enlighten them?
So do the noble Indians get to use net or do they have to use hook and line with rod and reel. And can you imagine how many illegal and newly illegal Chinese immigrants will be there over fishing the area. Believe me they do it, and they don't care if they leave anything left, they will try to take it all. It may not be all of them but there is enough of them that will.
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I worked with American Rivers and California Trout to restore a creek on my property on the Eel River. It is amazing to see the change that happens. That project was nowhere near the scope of the Klamath River project. I am so happy to see this happening. As a child I saw huge salmon runs. They are all gone now. In such a short time we have completely altered the west coast from a thriving food forest to cities and dams. Great thanks to the Yurok people. I hope you shall prosper from this event for the next thousand years.
Cool story bro, did the fish actually come back? If not you just destroyed a river and it's resources to feel good about yourself.
@@LGTheOneFreeMan You do know you can actually read about this and how the fish and rest of the ecosystem came back ten times faster than expected. Believe it or not, mother nature actually recovers really fast.
Thanks for the excellent coverage of this. While I do feel for the few hundred folks that bought "lakefront" property, in my opinion this will benefit far more people, wildlife, and the environment so I see it as a net-positive overall.
That’s truly how we should look at things. For some reason we let minority groups receive privileges that don’t benefit or even negatively affect the majority. I know it’s a thin line but our reasoning needs to change.
@@TomBTerrific I agree, but we should be careful and state, we aren't advocating for Communism, but we would like a little Social in our democracy. Enough of this winner takes all crap
Outstanding news.
We got rid of the Elwa dams a decade ago.
Its all good now.
We’re doing this all around the country here in the UK & it’s making a huge difference to fish stocks! 👍
Mother nature thanks you for restoring habitat.
YEAHHHHH!!! About friggin time. Get some beavers. Let's vote to make sure all dams are yanked out...
why talk to an invisible man in the sky when you can talk to a river.
This is so very wonderful.
And the residents that stick around will watch it flourish; they'll have property overlooking a river, a healthy river, not a stagnant, dead fish, disease pond. Yeah, there might be a year or two of bummersome situations, maybe some dust, but the benefits drastically outweigh the bad. I wish I was on the West Coast, so I could watch the transformation. The Elwah in Washington was such a huge, rapid success.
@choosewisely4722 it's great to see fishermen embrace a natural river and appreciate it over a stagnant lake.
Now if we can get the Rodman dam in North Florida removed. It was intended for a trans-Florida oil barge canal that never happened. Now it just caters to a few out-of-state fishermen that come in for tournaments.. they spend very little money in the state in the process. Now there's been a couple generations of people who've only known the lake. Many can't see the future or the past. When they could be fishing many miles of unspoiled, pristine river. I don't solely focus on fishing though, I value a healthy river overall, fishing or not.
It just piles up water and nutrients where there's too much, and then it starves and dries out the areas that need it. No balance....a completely unnecessary, non-functional project. I would say "obsolete"....but it was never "solete" to begin with lol
Exactly, give it about two years and that land will be sold for a premium.
Why stop here!? Let’s take down the Whiskeytown dam and Shasta too! Thanks for the excellent one sided coverage!
The naysayers aren't losing lakefront property, they're losing algae petri dish front property.
Along side 680 in Walnut Creek in the City of Walnut Creek the Chinook Salmon are blocked by a 13 foot dam.
A fish ladder would be an easy fix.
Maybe with some media attention Contra Costa County would do something about it. It a known problem that is being ignored.
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@@brianrobinson4907 Realy wtf
Dams effect the entire watershed for the worse though. I know they said fish passage is the main goal but that is far from the only benefit.
I'm not sure if there's a fish ladder design that would also help move sediments and other aquatic species like turtles, snails, plants, etc.
This next decade will have an abundance to cherish from the creator 💕. And those people will have happiness the ones that will be moving .
if water is needed for irrigation,it's still there and can be managed to meet needs and still give salmon a chance for survival
People don't understand how important these fish are, for the land and people they effect..... Hopefully this will be the norm on all these dams that absuluty serve no purpose in this day in age
The Klamath River will never be the same. It's a sewer Now. Everything is dead in it.
There won't be Any Fishing in it for decades.😢
On my opinion, it's finally time and fair enough for the people to leave around it. Like many other things in life, things has to change on this will be for the better.
Give us the Salmon back❗️
The River is my church too.
The tribes were conquered. Who cares what they think? As a defeated group, they get no say!
Well, well..i will be dam.
I'm not expert and I understand there are losers here but as an outsider with no personal involvement I think we really need to error on the side of natural state of the earth before it's too late. If we get a flood plain back perhaps it will restore rich soil? I grew up on a river that flooded regularly. Our garden and fruit trees were amazing. We never had to fertilize. The soil was incredible. I'm curious about land rights though. If your house property went to a lake edge does it now extend to the river? I think that would be a great win for the homeowners.
"Mountain in the Clouds" an early eighties hardcover by a Seattle/P.I. reporter tellls the story of how more fish VALUE was destroyed in the dam building between 1890 and 1910 than was CREATED by Hydro. But fish are free; Hydro is an income stream. pun intended.
The Native Americans have been in the area for seven thousand years. White people have lived around the dams for at most a hundred years. Who has the most right to the water? No brainer for me, maybe not for those who care only about themselves and their immediate wants. I can't help but think somehow the Native Americans will be shorted as the US government has done for centuries since white people came to North America. After all, the dams are coming out only because the owners don't want to spend money on upgrades for fish to pass, not because Native Americans are recognized as having any rights to the water free flowing or to the fish. White people will quickly figure out a way to get money from the fish, most likely by shoving Native Americans aside.
I agree with that simply because the nazi state of California will find a way to monetize it guaranty it does not give shit who gets penalized and does not discriminate on color or ethnicity it's a equal asswhipping opportunity to put it mildly
So your saying people didn't show up to this area tell what 1930s. You're off a bit easy to have an opinion like that when it has no effect on your life.
@@johnmckay2486
No they said theyd lived around the dams for about 100 years…..
Read.
Hallelujah! 🙌🙌👏👏👍👍
thank you for including information about the power and effect on that. the increase in fish population is well worth the loss of energy.
Megatonnes of sediment builds up behind dams in few decades. Remove the dam and most of that will wash downstream, despite efforts to stabilize it with plants. It will smother spawning beds and do other damage, and while the river will-probably, eventually, mostly-clean itself, it only takes one year’s total failure to destroy a spawning run. Suggestion?
Build one suction dredge that can be taken apart, transported by truck, and reassembled behind a dam scheduled for removal; we should be able to schedule dam removals so that one or two machines will do for all. Dredge most of the sediment out from behind the dam, and it will not be there to wash downstream. I don’t know where/how we dispose of all that, if it’s contaminated with agricultural and other chemicals-but then we don’t want to let that contaminate the downstream river bottom anyway. Where it is clean enough, it’s silt, very rich soil, and it could be sold to farmers or as a component of potting soil.
There are no wastes, only un-utilized resources.
Great story. Any idea why The link to this video does not work when sharing and social media?
jumping for joy, return of salmon /steelhead is going to be magnifacent
Those fish are gonna be disappointed when they get to Klamath lake 🤢
Removing the dams should cool the water and create less algae blooms
In the black and white picture with the man in the Dugout I didn’t see a net.
Damn
I hope they do this here in sacramento ca. We have folsom dam blocking 2/3 of the spawning ground. Salmon are tiny now and not many come back. We used to have 60+lb fish all the time, now when people catch a 25-30lb fish it’s all over the internet.
That will never happen on the big Central Valley rim dams in California; however, we are already exploring feasibility of fish passage projects above Shasta and Oroville and can easily do the same on the American River past Folsom Dam. The time has come where we need to do everything possible to get salmon to high quality habitat where the water stays cold as it comes out of the mountains. Why should we keep salmon spawning in an area that is no longer going to be hospitable for them as the climate continues to warm, forcing us to save more cold water to support them when there's plenty of cold water above the dams.
@@jimrl8it’s called appeasing. People like what sounds good. It doesn’t have to actually work so long as we have politicians, experts, corporations and others agreeing to tell the same nice story to the people we will believe them. Year after year, decade after decade they do this.
Think outside the box the Improved fishery may run the property value up. Good luck to all .I love Salmon .I can't afford to go there and fish let alone ever retire but others can change is difficult. Enjoy and be greatful for what we have. I'm just glad to have a roof over my head and food to eat.
Now they need to dredge the sediment to fully restore for the wildlife.
Lake front property to river front property for salmon fishermen. Sounds good 👍
It's good to see areas naturalized again! I just hope this doesn't affect downstream communities and infrastructure when the flood season comes again. They may need to make some major adjustments they weren't prepared for. Also not sure that the EPA infographic and the gentleman discussing "fish passage" are on the same page here. He says fish swim upstream, but the Ohio EPA is illustrating fish being blocked from going downstream. Off topic, but if Ohio is famous for it's historic lock and canal systems couldn't someone engineer a mini-canal or slide just for the fish to use? Or even do that in this situation. I have seen fish ladders in use before, and it would be much more economically feasible than completely removing a bunch of dams. You can just open up full flows first before removal. Use the money instead to build more reservoirs to serve southern California where more water is desperately needed.
Dams effect the entire watershed, they don't only block fish passage. They block everything. They reduce/alter flow upstream and cause sediment buildup.
Our river here was basically dying because the dam effected the ecology so much. It was a detriment to the turtles, fish, snails, plants, etc. Decommissioning it saw an almost immediate improvement to the river. There are natural processes that help reduce flows during flood conditions. Flood plains, meanders, riffles, etc. We built a 30ft wall to protect houses in a flood prone area. The wall just pushes water over to the flood plains on the opposite side of the river. There's plenty of options that can be looked into.
The only negative of this entire project is people losing their lake front property. Even though the lake shouldn't be there, I'm sure that wasn't in the thinking when they bought the home.
@mojo.adventures - I guarantee that no one who decided to remove the dams, lives downstream.
@@samadamms3432Wrong
It's great that we can finely admit our mistakes, and do our best to fix them. Goodbye dams, hello healthy salmon runs.
You really believe dams are the only issue with salmon returning? Not
@@TomBTerrific I didn't say the dams are the only issue, you said that.
The dams aren't the only issue, but they are the biggest issue when it comes to recovering salmon populations! Don't put words in other people's mouths!
Hopefully the Klamath Nation will ALSO allow salmon to go up to the Hoopa Plateua and replenish the runs that THAT native nation got screwed out of......by the Klamath running nets all the way across the streams.
There’s going to be the biggest market of fish being asked of the yuroks this next year..!
Removing the dams is for the benefit of the river which in a way benefits the public that is allowed to use it. How many homes can be affected by this ? 100+-? Why can’t our tax dollars compensate those owners say 50-100k for the reduced value of their home and land? That would be a one time payment of say 10 million. We seem to be able to spend billions for illegals, foreign wars, and foreign aid to countries that don’t even like us. How hard is this. Everything has a price with benefits and cost. We should make sure our citizens are the first to be cared for.
A decade isn't that long
im not taking sides here since there is only one winner but i would just like to know at what point did this lady catch 300 fish a day? i call bs unless she is 110 yrs old lol
Amazing how out of touch the announcer is at the end talking about it must be nuts to remove dams in a drought region. Maybe there's too many people in those areas. Maybe you can move to an area where there is enough water.
Magic will be restored😀😀😀😀😀
In the meantime, we say we want less CO2 into the air.
Klamath means greetings. Frankenmuth = candid mouth. I'm just adding your vowels back from our keys.
That net does not look like traditional material.
They want to remove dams on the snake too
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Remove dams ! Realese the rivers ! Geave back land to teh neative AMERICANS JANKEEE
Make sure there's beavers
It’s about money, nothing less.
Power can be had from other methods.
We can revegitate the dry dusty lake befs.
This is great and all, but one has to wonder what precident this dam removal will set to eventually have ALL dams removed all over our entire nation...... 🤔
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One sided reporting on the dam removal. Nothing of substance on the other side of the issue.
There is always two sides but one might not see it these days.
This will have no effect on fish runs until they are managed properly. Between the commercials, Indian nets, and the many hundreds of sportmens the fish don't stand a chance. All you green tree huggers think that taking down the dams will solve the problem. Not true!!!!!!! The runs from the past did not have the pressure on them as they do now. Even the Chinese have found our fish in international waters. Don't get me wrong, taking down the dams can't hurt but the fish runs will never be what they once were with everyone fishing for them.
The Klamath River Hydroelectric Project generates, annually, enough low-cost, reliable power for 70,000 households. The dams provide good-paying, technical jobs and are the largest single private taxpayer in the county of Siskiyou. So we aren't going green then?
It's not like the noble Indian is going to return. But well see. I hope that we all get to fish the river, especially when the noble Indians get to. But are they going to get to use nets.
Why wouldn't they be allowed to use nets
@@thomasquall8476 Overfishing. Besides unsportsmanlike. Just stick to the legal method. They can still catch enough and you can bet they all have food stamps already.
Uh huh ya bigot.
First Americans fished anytime, anyway they wanted on these rivers for 12-15,000 years before euros invaded.
Couple hundred years after whitey shows up the fish are basically wiped out from euros sheer stupidity and greed.
To this day that same level of stupidity blames First Americans for the demise of the salmon runs.
So fu.
@@paulbegley1464Because their livelihood was killed by the dams.
What wrong with climbing to the top of a hill to pray ? Or just pray wherever you are ?
I think that’s the point. Everyone gets to choose where to pray. For her, it’s the river.
@Donjuan-ly3td No, tje river doesn't belong to them. It belongs to all of us. The rich and poor and even the middle class alike. Your way of thinking is very dangerous. Besides if you believe that,why don't you give up your home and move back to where your ancestor came from. But I doubt you would survive anywhere else and if you just happen to be native just what makes you believe it would be that easy? Especially trying to wear a loincloth in winter.
Please do a investigation and report of both sides in one year. Ty.
There's no both sides here. It's right or wrong.
And now, we will have flooding on heavy raining years. People don't remember that any more. Big floods!
Climate change will be the reason for flooding. It then gives the government the right to remove all combustion engines to save us of course.
I wonder how this might affect flooding not having as much control over water say there is heavy snow melt off. In the dry years if we remove the dams will it go dry? Also will this cause the power rates to go up? News reporting that seems one sided to me. Time will tell my guess is the fish population doesn't come back they blame it on particulate matter. Lose of jobs power increases maybe add a few more taxes to add solar panels. Then localized flooding at some point and its blamed on climate change.
Yes there quite likely will be occasional flooding.
But Klamath Lake wont be poisonous every friggin summer.
Use your head son.
@@olyokie Klamath lake is not being drained by the dams they are removing. So your comment is irrelevant use your head. But to your point if there's no lake yeah probably not going to be poisonous.
Well Einstein ya might want to visit that project’s website and have your mom read to you about how knocking these fn dams down will flush that poisonous blue green algae body of water known as Klamath Lake…….another euro centric f up.
But hey, they’re just the experts…..I am sure you know more.
Back to 100 and 500 year floods, I guess?
By only removing 4 of the 6 dams I don't see how the water quality will be improved much.
Maybe catching 300 fish a day in the river where they need protection is the problem?
So when 100 years of slit is released how is that going to benefit the fish? Really dam removal of this magnitude is nothing more than an experiment.
Watch the tribes complain when this doesn't turn out like they intended.
It will take time, but it will clear and create a unique estuary that will benefit the fry and hopefully they return stronger. Salmonids are very resilient fish, some return in 2 years, 4 years, etcetera to ensure they are not extinct by one bad year class. They will evolve and succeed
The sediment and it’s myriad contents will create a diverse array of micro habitats along the river and its mouth. This will boost species diversity and in turn salmon numbers.
You fool that underestimates Mother Nature. 😂😂
If the dams went in 100 years ago and she is seeing a 300 to 3 reduction in fish in her lifetime (WAY less than 100 years), then there must be other explanations than just the dam. The reduction in fish would have been immediate from the time the dam was built - the fish couldn't get past them then nor now. Maybe over fishing had an impact? Should have put some of those 300 fish back, maybe? So we are trading a green source of power for an experiment that may not improve the salmon fishery that much. Data on improvements of fish movement and proliferation by dam removal is not conclusive as near as I can tell.
And very biased reporting, BTW. The only people shown opposing the dam removal are homeowners on the lake that will be destroyed. They are given the "poor baby" short shrift. But there are plenty of other people and groups opposed to it. Do a little more research and report in a more balanced way. I'm glad I don't have to listen to your reporting on a regular basis. Way too one-sided.
So we're eliminating green energy sources
@Donjuan-ly3td so the species is gone already. How do they replace the power for the 70,000 homes it provided?
@Donjuan-ly3td so getting rid of it caused lost jobs and less green energy but we're supposed pretend anyone actually cares about climate change or people's financial situations?
I thought Salmon were only smart enough to return to their place of birth to spawn when and if possible. I don't really see how whacking all the dams is going to somehow show them the way to the promised land of their great, great, great, great ancestors. I'm not sure if I got enough greats? lol....Maybe the tribe will blow peace pipe smoke in the water to enlighten them?
So do the noble Indians get to use net or do they have to use hook and line with rod and reel. And can you imagine how many illegal and newly illegal Chinese immigrants will be there over fishing the area. Believe me they do it, and they don't care if they leave anything left, they will try to take it all. It may not be all of them but there is enough of them that will.
Utter nonsense. Illegal Chinese immigrants?
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