Yeah Joker is such a great villain but his complexity is very unusual because his backstory and motivations are really up in the air it just depends on who is writing the character
Both "complex" and "pure evil" villains are boring lol. Neither is realistic or particularly intriguing. A villain likely isn't going to be some traumatized crybaby, but he likely isn't going to be some murderous class clown either. Villainy is motivated by self-interest mainly, the desire to achieve a given goal or acquire something (usually power). Lex Luthor, Darkseid & Bane are all representatives of the *TRUE* villain archetype; that of The Conqueror.
@@NykandrosI do agree to an extent, however people like that do in fact exist in real life, and while that’s debatable, realism shouldn’t apply to every medium of story telling, and while realistic villains can be entertaining, interesting stories can be constructed with villains that make you sympathies with them. In superhero media (mainly Batman)villains with tragic backstory’s backstories make you sympathize with them, and remind us of what the hero is fighting for, and gives the hero a chance to offer what heroes are really about, a helping hand. Villains that are empathetic also make help us keep our empathy, and we need empathy. It makes sure that empathy is still somewhat prioritized. That’s all I have to say, but I’d like to hear more about your view of villains and antagonists.
@@pexavex7295 I very much agree that realism shouldn't apply to every medium of storytelling, and that you don't need a "realistic" villain to be a good story. Nonetheless, The Conqueror archetype intrigues me the most. Sympathetic villains fall into the pitfall of victimization & woe-is-me personalities far too often. They also tend to lack conviction, these villains are traumatized & thus lean towards the side of mental vulnerability. You just don't get that same sense of an unstoppable force with a singular drive going after his goal like you do with a conventional villain; IE. Bane in Knightfall, Luthor in Forever Evil etc. The conventional, power-hungry villain on the other hand is a force to be reckoned with. Competent, unflinching & ruthless. Can't be negotiated with unless by means of bringing him closer to the object of his desire. Grandiose, megalomaniacal & with the skills to back it up. These villains would scoff at the trauma which defines sympathetic villains. To me, the conventional villain archetype is *THE* best archetype in all of comics tbh.
Tragic Villains are Great but nothing can beat a good old Pure evil villains like Joker, Dio Carnage, Palpatine, Frieza, Johan, Green Goblin and Elder Toguro
Another reason why Two-Face is the best supervillain. He's a pure evil villain, but with the history of formerly being a good guy and having the twist of the whole duality and coin flip thing
@@JokerFan-hj4iv Depends on the version. Sometimes he's just evil, but uses the coin to make basic decisions. And sometimes he's half good, half bad, and he'll either donate to an orphanage or blow it up depending on his coin.
The Joker is a nihilistic character that is his archetype and he’s in the 80’s his nihilistic psychopathic/sociopathic tendencies were introduced, he didn’t always go on about his philosophy on nihlism, heck for most of the Dark Knight he doesn’t go into his beliefs, he just keeps tricking or killing people. Jack Nicholson’s Joker like Heath Ledger’s Joker is just a strong reflection of the character in comics. Joker’s character when your break him down is a Nihilistic Hedonist which means nothing matters so I’ll do whatever I want. Joker talks about it in the dark knight once or twice like he does in The Killing Joke but Jack Nicholson’s Joker just lives that philosophy like The Joker has in some other comics. The biggest difference between the two is that Heath’s Joker isn’t really afraid of death, or Batman compared Jack’s Joker who does show some fear in certain instances. When Joker fell at the end of The Dark Knight he laughs like a maniac embracing his fate as Batman catches him, when Joker falls off roof in Batman (1989) he screams in terror until he dies. Now in comics Sometimes The Joker doesn’t fear death, other times he does but in terms of which is more accurate I’d say Heath’s Joker takes the cake. Also Joker’s nihlism isn’t really “political” it’s more philosophical & psychological. Also Joker’s whole point when it came to his philosophy was to prove to Gotham but more importantly to prove to Batman that everything is meaningless, and that madness is the cure. So rules, structure, consistency, none of it matters, where all just animals who fight for dominance over what we want. Joker has a child’s mindset that rejects responsibility. Carnage:”You get The Joke?” Joker:”What Joke?” Carnage:”That life is utterly meaningless , totally absurd, and madness is the only insane response.” Joker:”Oh that joke!” Carnage:”Joker my friend we belong together.” This was from The Spider-Man Batman crossover back in September 1995. This Nihilistic, Hedonistic, Absurdism, was always true to the character.
@tavaedenton3338 I get that. I was asking King what their point was because they word it as though Manga and comic villains are two vastly different things...which they really aren't.
I personally find Pure evil villains to be more complex than 'complex' villains. Sympathetic villains can be reasoned with, and even justified, but Pure evil villains can't be explained. They don't have any rhyme or reason, they just do, and it makes it more frustrating for the heroes.
11:47 that wasn’t a love interest of Barry’s, she was a girl Eobard liked from his time. He killed every boyfriend she had to eliminate the competition and went back to turn her into a veg when she still rejected him. Eobard did technically scramble Barry’s wife Iris’ brain and tried to do it again to his new wife until Barry stopped him by snapping his neck. That was before Flashpoint, he was initially resurrected in the Black Lanterns story.
Green goblins literally doesn’t care about Spider-Man. He wants to destroy Peter Parker. I remember one of his quote in the animated show is he “I don’t think you’ve suffered enough “ that’s crazy
My favorite pure evil villains The Joker John Doe Emperor Palpatine Freddy Krueger Sabretooth Hans Landa Michael Myers Jason Vorhees Chucky The Red Skull Dormamnu Candyman Darth Maul General Grevious Sauron Lord Voldermort Thulsa Doom Khan Carnage The Hobgoblin Scarecrow Bane Reverse-Flash Gorilla Grodd Dolories Umbridge Dr. Sivanna Ras' Al Ghul Talia Al Ghul Calvin Candie Stuntman Mike Dracula Green Goblin Bullseye
One character you didn't mention in this video that is a great example of this is the Lich King from Adventure time. In the original show, he wanted nothing except to kill anything and everything he could. He also couldn't be defeated, he could be slowed down in his goal, but he never was fully defeated.
The Batman didn't have a Pure Evil Villain! The Riddler in The 2022 Batman was nothing like what The Actual Riddler is like...in fact he acted more like Anarchy or a watered down Joker
Judge Holden from Blood Meridian is used as a prime example in literature classes for these characters. His crimes and actions are so vile i cant list them on here without getting nuked by youtube. But his character is also complex due to his reasoning and almost supernatural presence. The guy LOVES committing terror, and acts like its a genuine biological function like breathing. He has no redeemable qualities whatsoever, not comedic moments like Jack Horner or Joker. Hes a villain you continue reading about because hes so vile it keeps the reader engaged to see what he'll do next. And worst part? He gets away with all his crimes simply because he says he cant be convicted or killed. He cant be beaten. And his last scene he dances in a crowd and gathers everyone around, enjoying life. With the reader knowing he'll never see the inside of a cell
BIG FAN of putting my goat, thawne as one of "big three of pure villainy"! also there's another type of pure evil villains that are "cataclysmic/omnicidal" like owlman, morgoth and the lich from adventure time. they might be not so complex but still so much entertaining. plus i would say batman who laughs (who is also pure evil) is more evil than joker but well, he's a bad character so it's better to forget about him
Apocalypse, from the X-men animated series, is a pure evil villain. He is one of the most powerful villains the X-men faced and is someone you can’t reason with.
I really like this video because I really hate when people think that being morally equally or right makes automatically a good villain. Nah I like my villains to be villains
Exactly. People think every villain needs to be Magneto. I like Magneto but I’ve always said people like the idea of Magneto more than the actual execution of Magneto. There’s a lot of Iconic X-Men storylines. Phoenix/Dark Phoenix, Mutant Massacre, Fall of the Mutants, Days of Future Past, X-Cutioners, Song, Inferno, Age of Apocalypse, The Phalanx Covenant, Fatal Attractions, Onslaught, and House of M. Notice how out of all those storylines none of them feature Magneto as the main villain except for Fatal Attraction & House of M, and even House of M is debatable, as his kids were the main masterminds behind that event. Magneto is one of those villains Hollywood does a better job with than the comics itself does. Usually cause when they adapt these storylines they force Magneto in as the main villain. 😂
Great video dude. I'm glad someone finally says joker is pure evil and not broken. A character can only be broken if their evil actions are justified or if their evil actions don't surpass their tragedy. The joker killed an entire kindergarten class just to provoke Jason so he could torture him in the Arkham games. This joker has the same origin as the killing joke joker. That doesn't make him broken he's just petty, attention seeking and sadistic maniac. Mr freezes actions are justified to an extent because he only does what he needs to, to save his wife even if he is a criminal.
This is why I'm reading old fiction books and comic books, because the villains in those stories are just evil with no explanation, I don't mind modern villains (villains with a tragic backstory explaining why and how they become evil) but it's nostalgic, I miss villains that are JUST PURE EVIL
An example of a 'Pure Evil' Villain would be Sir Anthony Hopkins' Dr Hannibal Lectere or Jack Nicholson's Joker, Wilem Dafoe's Green Goblin and Samuel L Jackson's Mr Glass.
I would consider the Punisher an evil man if you’ve ever read any of Garth Ennis’ works like Punisher Max or Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe. People perceive him as an anti-hero but I always thought deep down Frank Castle is a psychopath who only loves killing other criminals for fun. He’s such a fascinating character after getting to know him.
He feel like he is more of complex character because he only gets evil after year of killing criminals and completely lost the purpose of why he did it in the first place
@@Axson_Cinema he always knew he liked killing for fun. That in itself should let you know exactly the kind of individual Frank is. Even when he is supposedly doing it to protect or avenge someone else like his family’s murder, it was always just an excuse for him to kill another target because that’s what helps him sleep at night. Punisher is a straight psychopathic serial killer at his core.
He did have interesting conversation with Thor at one point where he says “I fight in a war” only for Thor to claim “No.. you have made a war so you may fight”. Frank runs into the same problem as someone like Rorschach from Watchmen in that idealize him or think he’s “cool” but even in the comics he berates some cops for using his insignia.
@@thomasraines1396 something like that actually happened one time in the comics. Some guys who idolized the Punisher wore his skull insignia and Frank kills them in response. He rejects the people who look up to him because he knows he’s not a good man.
people misunderstand the Joker thinking all he cares about is destruction and chaos. Everything joker does there is a reason to it wether to break batman or anyone else.
Old Joker Stories:Joker is wrong, one bad day would not break everyone. He is the problem. New Joker Stories:He had a bad day, feel bad for this mass murdering psychopath already damn it.
FR tho I've never seen a villain have that much animosity towards his Nemesis, none of Batman's villains or Superman's villains or green lantern villains harbor such an intense hatred , the only one that comes to mind who's whole thing is being angry and hating everything is Doomsday but he's mostly mindless
Anton Chigurh, Judge Holden, Emperor Palpatine, Femto, AM, Albert Wesker, Eredin, Donquixote Doflamingo, DIO, Slade, Arkhamverse Scarecrow, Darth Krayt, The Prophet of Truth and Light Yagami are all complex yet still pure evil too.
My favorite pure evil villain and my favorite villain from DC has to be Doomsday. The monster who pushed Superman to his limits, killed him, and keeps him in fear to this very day.
The Joker isn't pure evil though. He is tragic evil because he became evil because he lost everything quite literally his wife was pregnant and he couldn't pay the rent, then he got into debt and got mixed up with loan sharks and the wrong people. All of a sudden he was in The Red Hood Gang and working with The Mob to pay his debts, he tried to back out when his wife died that night but they threatened to kill him if he didn't do it.
Reverse Flash is not pure villain. Hell, he becomes space Jesus in comics after Barry dies and he talks to Superman. I would go as far as to say that Reverse Flash is the most selfless and benevolent, heroic being there is in all of comics. He uses his time-travel powers to create perfect timeline for humanity. If there is any mistake on humanity’s side - another reset. He selflessly spent billions of lifetimes doing NOTHING ELSE but saving humanity. Reverse Flash is the opposite of evil. He is petty, obsessive, troubled, but, ultimately, the best one there is.
Carnage is probably the most evil character in all of marvel if were just talking pure violence and chaos. Red Skull is also up there but he's wildly racist. A different kind of evil
You're mixing up the pure evil villain and the simplistic villain as they tend to intersect a lot but a pure evil villain is not always simplistic in the comics and a simplistic villain is not always pure evil, most of the time when they intersect it's in a character like Carnage or Doomsday that just exist to cause death and destruction.
A character like doomsday is more of just a force of destruction who generally has no reason for what he does but a character like the Joker causes evil for the laughs which I find more evil
People have a misconception of Pure Good or Pure Evil Villains: Villains or people to believe they are doing the right thing while viewing others as the "bad guy" without being redeemable or sympathetic. Pure evil doesn't mean evil for the sake of being evil; it can stem from distorted beliefs, self-serving motivations, or a skewed sense of morality. These individuals might genuinely believe they are on the side of righteousness, often justifying their actions through twisted logic or a skewed worldview. However, their lack of narcissism, empathy, willingness to harm others, and refusal to acknowledge their faults can make them unredeemable or unsympathetic, even if they see themselves as the hero in their own story. The concept of a "Pure Good" hero or person doesn't imply perfection or the absence of flaws. Even the most virtuous individuals can make mistakes, face challenges, and have moments of weakness. What defines a Pure Good character is their underlying moral compass, their dedication to doing what's right, and their willingness to learn from their mistakes and grow as a person. Flaws and imperfections are part of what makes characters and people relatable and realistic, adding depth to their journeys and allowing for character development.
But what if Flash dies, that would change the future not creating Reverse Flash, which would change the past since Reverse Flash was in it. Would the server just crash?
I wouldn't call kilmonger "complex" he used his fathers death to justify his psychopathy. He was really just a black red skull. He was clearly smart enough to make the change without becoming a terrorist.
Umm I would disagree he truly believed in what he was doing and that he was achieving the best possible outcome for wakanda but crossed lines that no one should ever cross
@Axson_Cinema we definitely know he was hiding his psychopathy with scenes like killing girlfriend when he definitely didn't have to or burning all of the plants to make sure he would be the last panther with no one to challenge his power. And he's definitely just a black red skull he has super technology and believes his race is superior and wants to take out or subjugate other with that technology. Nothing he did at any point showed it was for anyone but himself.
Yeah darkseid is also pure evil but he is trying to achieve a goal by finding the anti life but Joker, GG, and reverse flash just doing it for the laughs and to watch others suffer
Darkseid is not pure evil. He has a given goal & set out objective to achieve, he doesn't do things "for the lulz" like the rest of these class clown villains lol
It’s because Nolan took inspiration mostly from golden age comics for his version of joker. back then he wasn’t that funny yet and before we knew he had bleached skin some of the oldest joker stories had him where makeup. The way joker came on tv and announced he was going to kill people was very reminiscent how joker used to announce his targets on the radio when the police already couldn’t do anything to save them.
@@JokerFan-hj4iv it has some resemblance to that Joker, that is true, but they also are different ; the original Joker didnt had a crusade like Nolans Joker. He was more down to earth grounded.
@@Axson_Cinema I ain't mad about it, it shows how much hating he's done to not just barry but everybody in his ow life. Ex: erasing his brother from existence. But you should def make a part 2, especially with Sukuna from jjk. The moment he got resurrected he was asking for he women and children.
What I love about joker is that he pretends to be complex in his motivation. He’s tricking the audience cause he lies so much. He is complex in his actions and his relationships but not backstory.
can we get a part 2 with homelander in the cut? that dude easily deserves his flowers among fictional villains in comics.If anyone really does deserve to play norman osborn in a remake its gotta be antony just based on the identical mirror scenes alone.
I'm sorry but you regurgitated common agreements on these characters but could not adequately understand why people have come to those conclusions or you failed to describe it accurately at the very least. This is very elementary, You need to think more before releasing these videos. Do proper research if you seriously want to be doing character essays and be taken serious.
@@deantrail6789 If this dude wants to get better at making videos, he needs to be able to take Criticism. That's how you grow. People like you promote mediocracy and stagnation. Do better man come on, being serious here.
@@savageshot3723 You sound like someone that throws around long words and phrases just to sound smart. If his point can be said as simply as possible, isn't that better?
@@deantrail6789 I don't care what I sound like. I gave him criticism, that's it. Not sure why this is a point of contention for you when you can't even dispute what I've said. Hopefully he grows from it to become better.
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Pure evil villains can also be complex, the Joker is complex but also pure evil.
Yeah Joker is such a great villain but his complexity is very unusual because his backstory and motivations are really up in the air it just depends on who is writing the character
@@Axson_Cinema The Joker’s complexities often reflect in the mythology, psychology & philosophy around his character.
Both "complex" and "pure evil" villains are boring lol. Neither is realistic or particularly intriguing. A villain likely isn't going to be some traumatized crybaby, but he likely isn't going to be some murderous class clown either. Villainy is motivated by self-interest mainly, the desire to achieve a given goal or acquire something (usually power). Lex Luthor, Darkseid & Bane are all representatives of the *TRUE* villain archetype; that of The Conqueror.
@@NykandrosI do agree to an extent, however people like that do in fact exist in real life, and while that’s debatable, realism shouldn’t apply to every medium of story telling, and while realistic villains can be entertaining, interesting stories can be constructed with villains that make you sympathies with them. In superhero media (mainly Batman)villains with tragic backstory’s backstories make you sympathize with them, and remind us of what the hero is fighting for, and gives the hero a chance to offer what heroes are really about, a helping hand. Villains that are empathetic also make help us keep our empathy, and we need empathy. It makes sure that empathy is still somewhat prioritized. That’s all I have to say, but I’d like to hear more about your view of villains and antagonists.
@@pexavex7295 I very much agree that realism shouldn't apply to every medium of storytelling, and that you don't need a "realistic" villain to be a good story. Nonetheless, The Conqueror archetype intrigues me the most. Sympathetic villains fall into the pitfall of victimization & woe-is-me personalities far too often. They also tend to lack conviction, these villains are traumatized & thus lean towards the side of mental vulnerability. You just don't get that same sense of an unstoppable force with a singular drive going after his goal like you do with a conventional villain; IE. Bane in Knightfall, Luthor in Forever Evil etc.
The conventional, power-hungry villain on the other hand is a force to be reckoned with. Competent, unflinching & ruthless. Can't be negotiated with unless by means of bringing him closer to the object of his desire. Grandiose, megalomaniacal & with the skills to back it up. These villains would scoff at the trauma which defines sympathetic villains.
To me, the conventional villain archetype is *THE* best archetype in all of comics tbh.
Reverse flash greatest achievement is making Erza Miller play the flash so he can create a image of flash being a another A-Train
It was me, barry! I made you into the offbrand version of your own offbrand version! HAHAHAHA!!
Tragic Villains are Great but nothing can beat a good old Pure evil villains like Joker, Dio Carnage, Palpatine, Frieza, Johan, Green Goblin and Elder Toguro
Another reason why Two-Face is the best supervillain. He's a pure evil villain, but with the history of formerly being a good guy and having the twist of the whole duality and coin flip thing
Yeah all of Batman’s villains are just amazing
Isn’t two face technically half good and half evil though?
He is not pure evil but he is very tragic. @@JokerFan-hj4iv
@@JokerFan-hj4iv Depends on the version. Sometimes he's just evil, but uses the coin to make basic decisions.
And sometimes he's half good, half bad, and he'll either donate to an orphanage or blow it up depending on his coin.
The Joker is a nihilistic character that is his archetype and he’s in the 80’s his nihilistic psychopathic/sociopathic tendencies were introduced, he didn’t always go on about his philosophy on nihlism, heck for most of the Dark Knight he doesn’t go into his beliefs, he just keeps tricking or killing people. Jack Nicholson’s Joker like Heath Ledger’s Joker is just a strong reflection of the character in comics. Joker’s character when your break him down is a Nihilistic Hedonist which means nothing matters so I’ll do whatever I want. Joker talks about it in the dark knight once or twice like he does in The Killing Joke but Jack Nicholson’s Joker just lives that philosophy like The Joker has in some other comics. The biggest difference between the two is that Heath’s Joker isn’t really afraid of death, or Batman compared Jack’s Joker who does show some fear in certain instances. When Joker fell at the end of The Dark Knight he laughs like a maniac embracing his fate as Batman catches him, when Joker falls off roof in Batman (1989) he screams in terror until he dies. Now in comics Sometimes The Joker doesn’t fear death, other times he does but in terms of which is more accurate I’d say Heath’s Joker takes the cake. Also Joker’s nihlism isn’t really “political” it’s more philosophical & psychological. Also Joker’s whole point when it came to his philosophy was to prove to Gotham but more importantly to prove to Batman that everything is meaningless, and that madness is the cure. So rules, structure, consistency, none of it matters, where all just animals who fight for dominance over what we want. Joker has a child’s mindset that rejects responsibility.
Carnage:”You get The Joke?”
Joker:”What Joke?”
Carnage:”That life is utterly meaningless , totally absurd, and madness is the only insane response.”
Joker:”Oh that joke!”
Carnage:”Joker my friend we belong together.”
This was from The Spider-Man Batman crossover back in September 1995. This Nihilistic, Hedonistic, Absurdism, was always true to the character.
“And for the worst one, giving us Jered Leto's Joker.”😂
I'm surprised you didn't mention Dio or Frieza for pure evil villains. They're pretty iconic "pure evil" comic book villains.
Those are MANGA villains dude.
@@kingtallzilla6919 Manga literally means comic in japanese dude.
@@kingtallzilla6919 Your point?
@@vexedrat1874 The point is that they're basically the same thing, just written in different countries
@tavaedenton3338 I get that. I was asking King what their point was because they word it as though Manga and comic villains are two vastly different things...which they really aren't.
I personally find Pure evil villains to be more complex than 'complex' villains. Sympathetic villains can be reasoned with, and even justified, but Pure evil villains can't be explained. They don't have any rhyme or reason, they just do, and it makes it more frustrating for the heroes.
11:47 that wasn’t a love interest of Barry’s, she was a girl Eobard liked from his time. He killed every boyfriend she had to eliminate the competition and went back to turn her into a veg when she still rejected him. Eobard did technically scramble Barry’s wife Iris’ brain and tried to do it again to his new wife until Barry stopped him by snapping his neck. That was before Flashpoint, he was initially resurrected in the Black Lanterns story.
Green goblins literally doesn’t care about Spider-Man. He wants to destroy Peter Parker. I remember one of his quote in the animated show is he “I don’t think you’ve suffered enough “ that’s crazy
You missed some other good purely evil villains: Tuco Ramirez from The Good Bad and Ugly, Big Jack Horner, Palpatine, etc.
My favorite pure evil villains
The Joker
John Doe
Emperor Palpatine
Freddy Krueger
Sabretooth
Hans Landa
Michael Myers
Jason Vorhees
Chucky
The Red Skull
Dormamnu
Candyman
Darth Maul
General Grevious
Sauron
Lord Voldermort
Thulsa Doom
Khan
Carnage
The Hobgoblin
Scarecrow
Bane
Reverse-Flash
Gorilla Grodd
Dolories Umbridge
Dr. Sivanna
Ras' Al Ghul
Talia Al Ghul
Calvin Candie
Stuntman Mike
Dracula
Green Goblin
Bullseye
Which Dracula? Because some versions try to make him a tragic character.
One character you didn't mention in this video that is a great example of this is the Lich King from Adventure time.
In the original show, he wanted nothing except to kill anything and everything he could. He also couldn't be defeated, he could be slowed down in his goal, but he never was fully defeated.
Yeah I got someone else in comments bringing him up and I also think he is amazing he had some of the best episodes when he tried to get his wish
Anton Chigurh is one of my favorites
Never watched no country for old men but I hear he’s amazing
The Batman didn't have a Pure Evil Villain! The Riddler in The 2022 Batman was nothing like what The Actual Riddler is like...in fact he acted more like Anarchy or a watered down Joker
The Riddler in the comics began as a "watered-down Joker," lol! 🤓
Judge Holden from Blood Meridian is used as a prime example in literature classes for these characters. His crimes and actions are so vile i cant list them on here without getting nuked by youtube. But his character is also complex due to his reasoning and almost supernatural presence. The guy LOVES committing terror, and acts like its a genuine biological function like breathing. He has no redeemable qualities whatsoever, not comedic moments like Jack Horner or Joker. Hes a villain you continue reading about because hes so vile it keeps the reader engaged to see what he'll do next. And worst part? He gets away with all his crimes simply because he says he cant be convicted or killed. He cant be beaten. And his last scene he dances in a crowd and gathers everyone around, enjoying life. With the reader knowing he'll never see the inside of a cell
So true and so deep that pure evil villains push heroes to their limits and makes us see how much heroes can take and how far they would go
BIG FAN of putting my goat, thawne as one of "big three of pure villainy"!
also there's another type of pure evil villains that are "cataclysmic/omnicidal" like owlman, morgoth and the lich from adventure time. they might be not so complex but still so much entertaining.
plus i would say batman who laughs (who is also pure evil) is more evil than joker but well, he's a bad character so it's better to forget about him
I love the Lich I remember growing up and watching his eps when it came out and it left an impact on me
@@Axson_Cinema same! and he dropped some of the best quotes that goes so hard!
I don't care how tragic your favourite villain is he is not better then number villan dr. doofenshmirtz
Apocalypse, from the X-men animated series, is a pure evil villain. He is one of the most powerful villains the X-men faced and is someone you can’t reason with.
I really like this video because I really hate when people think that being morally equally or right makes automatically a good villain. Nah I like my villains to be villains
Exactly. People think every villain needs to be Magneto. I like Magneto but I’ve always said people like the idea of Magneto more than the actual execution of Magneto. There’s a lot of Iconic X-Men storylines. Phoenix/Dark Phoenix, Mutant Massacre, Fall of the Mutants, Days of Future Past, X-Cutioners, Song, Inferno, Age of Apocalypse, The Phalanx Covenant, Fatal Attractions, Onslaught, and House of M. Notice how out of all those storylines none of them feature Magneto as the main villain except for Fatal Attraction & House of M, and even House of M is debatable, as his kids were the main masterminds behind that event. Magneto is one of those villains Hollywood does a better job with than the comics itself does. Usually cause when they adapt these storylines they force Magneto in as the main villain. 😂
I think carnage is better example than green goblin personally because green goblin does have some sympathetic qualities even if he’s evil
I think of the green goblin as a separate personality from Osborn so even though Osborn has redeeming qualities green goblin has none
@@Axson_CinemaNorman in spectacular though is a true menace. That version has 0 redeeming qualities
@@lilyVGYBTone of my favourite Norman ‘s
Great video dude. I'm glad someone finally says joker is pure evil and not broken. A character can only be broken if their evil actions are justified or if their evil actions don't surpass their tragedy. The joker killed an entire kindergarten class just to provoke Jason so he could torture him in the Arkham games. This joker has the same origin as the killing joke joker. That doesn't make him broken he's just petty, attention seeking and sadistic maniac. Mr freezes actions are justified to an extent because he only does what he needs to, to save his wife even if he is a criminal.
This is why I'm reading old fiction books and comic books, because the villains in those stories are just evil with no explanation, I don't mind modern villains (villains with a tragic backstory explaining why and how they become evil) but it's nostalgic, I miss villains that are JUST PURE EVIL
Norman Osborn would only be described as a good father, when describing himself
The Green Goblin's best moment was with his mask off in The Raimi Trilogy!
I love pure evil villains, I love sympathetic villains, and logical villains
An example of a 'Pure Evil' Villain would be Sir Anthony Hopkins' Dr Hannibal Lectere or Jack Nicholson's Joker, Wilem Dafoe's Green Goblin and Samuel L Jackson's Mr Glass.
I would consider the Punisher an evil man if you’ve ever read any of Garth Ennis’ works like Punisher Max or Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe. People perceive him as an anti-hero but I always thought deep down Frank Castle is a psychopath who only loves killing other criminals for fun. He’s such a fascinating character after getting to know him.
He feel like he is more of complex character because he only gets evil after year of killing criminals and completely lost the purpose of why he did it in the first place
@@Axson_Cinema he always knew he liked killing for fun. That in itself should let you know exactly the kind of individual Frank is. Even when he is supposedly doing it to protect or avenge someone else like his family’s murder, it was always just an excuse for him to kill another target because that’s what helps him sleep at night. Punisher is a straight psychopathic serial killer at his core.
He did have interesting conversation with Thor at one point where he says “I fight in a war” only for Thor to claim “No.. you have made a war so you may fight”.
Frank runs into the same problem as someone like Rorschach from Watchmen in that idealize him or think he’s “cool” but even in the comics he berates some cops for using his insignia.
@@thomasraines1396 something like that actually happened one time in the comics. Some guys who idolized the Punisher wore his skull insignia and Frank kills them in response. He rejects the people who look up to him because he knows he’s not a good man.
@@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX yeah.
You can't forget about red skull
Umm I think he is a different kind of evil 😳
@@Axson_Cinema but he's pure evil he cause a war with Hitler and betrayed Hitler and don't care about the Millon,s of people he kills
people misunderstand the Joker thinking all he cares about is destruction and chaos.
Everything joker does there is a reason to it wether to break batman or anyone else.
Old Joker Stories:Joker is wrong, one bad day would not break everyone. He is the problem.
New Joker Stories:He had a bad day, feel bad for this mass murdering psychopath already damn it.
The reverse flash is the king of haters
FR tho I've never seen a villain have that much animosity towards his Nemesis, none of Batman's villains or Superman's villains or green lantern villains harbor such an intense hatred , the only one that comes to mind who's whole thing is being angry and hating everything is Doomsday but he's mostly mindless
He’s too petty to die
I used to think the same way until I've heard of AM. Ngl he just might be the bigger hater which really says something 😭😭
Anton Chigurh, Judge Holden, Emperor Palpatine, Femto, AM, Albert Wesker, Eredin, Donquixote Doflamingo, DIO, Slade, Arkhamverse Scarecrow, Darth Krayt, The Prophet of Truth and Light Yagami are all complex yet still pure evil too.
People idealize Light sadly.
Good taste
My favorite pure evil villain and my favorite villain from DC has to be Doomsday. The monster who pushed Superman to his limits, killed him, and keeps him in fear to this very day.
Also is the result of the most iconic comic book of all time the death of Superman
The Joker isn't pure evil though. He is tragic evil because he became evil because he lost everything quite literally his wife was pregnant and he couldn't pay the rent, then he got into debt and got mixed up with loan sharks and the wrong people. All of a sudden he was in The Red Hood Gang and working with The Mob to pay his debts, he tried to back out when his wife died that night but they threatened to kill him if he didn't do it.
That’s not always his backstory that’s just the killing joke
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14:23 that is total bollocks! Pure evil villains CAN be complex. Just look at Homelander and Darth Maul.
Yeah in a sense some pure evil villains can be complex with their upbringing but at the end of the day they end up pure evil like a homelander
Reverse Flash is not pure villain.
Hell, he becomes space Jesus in comics after Barry dies and he talks to Superman.
I would go as far as to say that Reverse Flash is the most selfless and benevolent, heroic being there is in all of comics.
He uses his time-travel powers to create perfect timeline for humanity. If there is any mistake on humanity’s side - another reset. He selflessly spent billions of lifetimes doing NOTHING ELSE but saving humanity.
Reverse Flash is the opposite of evil. He is petty, obsessive, troubled, but, ultimately, the best one there is.
My favorite edgy pure evil villain is comic black noir/Homelander's clone from the bous comics!!!!!!
Carnage is my favorite pure evil supervillain
Carnage is really amazing I wish we get an absolute carnage movie one day
Carnage is probably the most evil character in all of marvel if were just talking pure violence and chaos. Red Skull is also up there but he's wildly racist. A different kind of evil
Your point can be proven in three words: Carnage is goated
Yeah carnage is also really amazing and so are a lot of the symbiotes
You're mixing up the pure evil villain and the simplistic villain as they tend to intersect a lot but a pure evil villain is not always simplistic in the comics and a simplistic villain is not always pure evil, most of the time when they intersect it's in a character like Carnage or Doomsday that just exist to cause death and destruction.
A character like doomsday is more of just a force of destruction who generally has no reason for what he does but a character like the Joker causes evil for the laughs which I find more evil
@@Axson_Cinema that is what I said.
Thats also why I love Kefka as a villain. He's just pure evil.
People have a misconception of Pure Good or Pure Evil Villains:
Villains or people to believe they are doing the right thing while viewing others as the "bad guy" without being redeemable or sympathetic. Pure evil doesn't mean evil for the sake of being evil; it can stem from distorted beliefs, self-serving motivations, or a skewed sense of morality. These individuals might genuinely believe they are on the side of righteousness, often justifying their actions through twisted logic or a skewed worldview. However, their lack of narcissism, empathy, willingness to harm others, and refusal to acknowledge their faults can make them unredeemable or unsympathetic, even if they see themselves as the hero in their own story.
The concept of a "Pure Good" hero or person doesn't imply perfection or the absence of flaws. Even the most virtuous individuals can make mistakes, face challenges, and have moments of weakness. What defines a Pure Good character is their underlying moral compass, their dedication to doing what's right, and their willingness to learn from their mistakes and grow as a person. Flaws and imperfections are part of what makes characters and people relatable and realistic, adding depth to their journeys and allowing for character development.
Thanos can’t be reassured with. The guy is insane.
Mwahahahahaha! *rubs hands evily*
But what if Flash dies, that would change the future not creating Reverse Flash, which would change the past since Reverse Flash was in it. Would the server just crash?
I wouldn't call kilmonger "complex" he used his fathers death to justify his psychopathy. He was really just a black red skull. He was clearly smart enough to make the change without becoming a terrorist.
Umm I would disagree he truly believed in what he was doing and that he was achieving the best possible outcome for wakanda but crossed lines that no one should ever cross
@Axson_Cinema we definitely know he was hiding his psychopathy with scenes like killing girlfriend when he definitely didn't have to or burning all of the plants to make sure he would be the last panther with no one to challenge his power. And he's definitely just a black red skull he has super technology and believes his race is superior and wants to take out or subjugate other with that technology. Nothing he did at any point showed it was for anyone but himself.
What about violator from spawn comics
Homelander should be up here bro left me scarred
Yeah I did a version with Homelander it’s a part 2 to this video
@@Axson_Cinema oh myf
@@Axson_Cinema I jus started watching the show recently and bro made me jumpy dis whole show 😂😂
Bro forgot darkseid 💀
Yeah darkseid is also pure evil but he is trying to achieve a goal by finding the anti life but Joker, GG, and reverse flash just doing it for the laughs and to watch others suffer
Darkseid is not pure evil. He has a given goal & set out objective to achieve, he doesn't do things "for the lulz" like the rest of these class clown villains lol
what about tragic villains?
They are also some of the best but most of them are more anti hero’s then full villains depending on the character
@@Axson_Cinema there should be more tragic villains that are full villains rather then anti-heroes
The agent of Chaos iis Nolan s version pf the Joker. He is different in comics or other adaptations.
Nolan Joker is doing One Bad Day on the entire city of Gotham. He succeeded in giving Harvey Dent a bad day turning him into Two Face.
@@petermj1098 I dont identigy Nolan s version as the Joker. It is a diggerent character.
It’s because Nolan took inspiration mostly from golden age comics for his version of joker. back then he wasn’t that funny yet and before we knew he had bleached skin some of the oldest joker stories had him where makeup. The way joker came on tv and announced he was going to kill people was very reminiscent how joker used to announce his targets on the radio when the police already couldn’t do anything to save them.
@@JokerFan-hj4iv it has some resemblance to that Joker, that is true, but they also are different ; the original Joker didnt had a crusade like Nolans Joker. He was more down to earth grounded.
Reverse Flash vs doctor doom
It wasnt for barrys love interest, it was for his own after getting rejected even though he wipes out all of her love interests😭😭😭
Yeah I realized it I got it mistaken with when he fazed his hand through iris head
@@Axson_Cinema I ain't mad about it, it shows how much hating he's done to not just barry but everybody in his ow life. Ex: erasing his brother from existence. But you should def make a part 2, especially with Sukuna from jjk. The moment he got resurrected he was asking for he women and children.
Gorilla Grodd vs Winston who is smarter
Wrong. Batman does cross that line
It depends on the story in the original killing joke comic it was left to the readers interpretation if Batman crossed that line
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The Reverse Flash is nothing
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What I love about joker is that he pretends to be complex in his motivation. He’s tricking the audience cause he lies so much. He is complex in his actions and his relationships but not backstory.
This is why Emperor Palpatine is one of the most underrated villains. He’s a villain that actually won.
Umm when did he win?
@@Axson_Cinema the rise of the empire.
@@Axson_Cinema order 66 went BRR
@@Axson_Cinema Revenge of The Sith
Green Goblin isn’t another version of Norman, he IS the Green Goblin. It’s his real identity.
can we get a part 2 with homelander in the cut? that dude easily deserves his flowers among fictional villains in comics.If anyone really does deserve to play norman osborn in a remake its gotta be antony just based on the identical mirror scenes alone.
I do have part 2 planned so stay tuned 🤫
Black Manta fits in too
I’m unfamiliar with black manta besides the animated stuff
I feel the Mandarin SHOULD BE a pure evil villian.
I am unfamiliar with his game I’ve only seen him in shangchi
I'm sorry but you regurgitated common agreements on these characters but could not adequately understand why people have come to those conclusions or you failed to describe it accurately at the very least.
This is very elementary, You need to think more before releasing these videos. Do proper research if you seriously want to be doing character essays and be taken serious.
Okay, boomer.
@@deantrail6789 I'm 20 years old man what you doing?
@@deantrail6789 If this dude wants to get better at making videos, he needs to be able to take Criticism. That's how you grow. People like you promote mediocracy and stagnation. Do better man come on, being serious here.
@@savageshot3723 You sound like someone that throws around long words and phrases just to sound smart. If his point can be said as simply as possible, isn't that better?
@@deantrail6789 I don't care what I sound like. I gave him criticism, that's it. Not sure why this is a point of contention for you when you can't even dispute what I've said.
Hopefully he grows from it to become better.