I agree 100% here. Put them on last night and was initially super impressed with the grip. Can't comment on longevity or drag but am going to have to change my rebound front and rear they're that different from the DHF/DHR combos I've run previously...and they're super quiet.
@@SidiNic I had the old DH22 29. Stated weight was already a lot at 1.5kg, but it was actually 1.6. The new version is a lot lighter, don't know about the WE.
SCOOP at 9:20 !!! Amaury Pierron won Val de Sol (and Les Gets) on a prototype radial Dirty Dan!?!?!? Now we know how he was able to eat seconds off the clock, compared to his other competitors - it was those radial tires
Isn't that basically still a diagonal construction with a variation in the angle? It's still crossed. It's an interesting idea, but also looks like a misnomer. Makes me worry that the marketing people at Schwalbe have more of a say than the engineers.
He does state that it's not actually exactly radial. A radial tire has the carcass cords running perpendicular to the direction of travel (90°). This isn't quite that. I am curious to see how it rides to see if it's just hype or makes a difference.
Early schematic shows 89.34° vs roughly 45° for virtually all other bike tires. As a long time car tire industry person, this is huge development and yes, it's a radial. All other bike tires are bias plys. This is a step change. Looking forward to seeing it spread to XC, gravel and road tires
I agree that calling them radial is a bit misleading. Although all the stuff they said because of the more angled towards radial construction would hold true. I am not sure a true radial tire would work so well for MTB because you would need thicker and stiffer rubber sidewalls to support them.
I think thats the length but if you assume the one for 122.15 is for 45deg then you can deduce that the "radial" magic angle is about 15deg : 122.15 cos(45) = 89.34 cos (magic angle)
I guess these tires will perform absolute amazing with inserts. You can run just a little bit higher pressure than the crazy low one. You can get away with much higher traction and the same safety leather from patcher resistance.
You didn’t make a bad purchase with the tacky Chans. I have it as a rear tire mixed with the magic Mary as a front tire. I’m loving the combo and the Chan’s give amazing cornering traction as long as you go from center knobs to side knobs very quickly, otherwise it’s dirt nap time.
@@CalQaida I bought a rear and front set to see how I like running them on the front as well. If I take too many dirt naps. The Magic Mary will be going back on haha.
First thing that comes to mind is testing uphill traction in techy climbs through rocky sections. I got a lot of that where I live (literal boulder fields), so more bite is always welcome.
These sound great! I am always looking for more grip, as I use Maxis Assagai downhill tires on my Bosch CX4 bike. Here is another tip for really loose, rocky climbs. I found this out just yesterday, climbing a trail with baseball sized rocks torn out of the trail bed by moto use and recent rain. I tried switching from EMTB to AUTO MODE. It made a big difference, as auto mode is a little smother in is torque application.
Ok, these new tyres deform more, so the contact patch is up to 30% more, so: You should increase air pressure in order to compensate for the extra deformation (or your precious rims will suffer the consecuences) Roll noticeably slower, unless you give them a couple more PSI's Can't we get to the same result by just dropping pressures on our normal, "non radial" tyres?
I picked up a couple of Argotals the other day because they were less than ½ price and free delivery. Also haven’t tried them ha ha still on hands damp.
I would guess the increased contact patch already comes with increased rolling resistance (only partway through the video, not sure if they mention that at all). Seems like this tire design is focused on grip and maintaining control, not reducing resistance and maximizing efficiency
Kind of surprised by all the negative comments. Seems like this could be a pretty decent step forward for mtb tire tech. They gave it a good test and there’s logical reasons why the contact patch increases. What is there to hate??
The race results have already proven this tire to have some serious performance gains. But, to us it seems most of the issue is with the “radial” nomenclature.
@@TheLoamWolf fair point. Keep up the great work really enjoyed this vid. Especially confirming that you tested it with a number of people and felt confident giving the stamp of approval. I’m keen to get on this front tire 👍
Just ordered a set for my MX Relay. I did try the Tacky Chan up front last week and it wasn't working for me. It felt too small and like it was pinging everywhere (dry loose rocky terrain) although the few spots of loam I hit it hooked up amazing on the edge.
Schwalbe made the carcass more pliable, so how does this affect support during cornering? How does this affect bottom out? Why does radial take away the need for inserts? If they made the carcass less stiff, wouldn't that make it tend to bottom out easier? We know lighter tires conform better, so will these better conforming tires have worse damping characteristics compared to traditional downhill casings? All these questions seem quite natural but you didn't bring any of them up. This reads more like an advert.
This is not a long term review. We tried to state early on this is part of our Dissected Series, which are content projects made with brands, usually around the launch of new products because these are a lot more fun than press releases, home page takeovers or banner ads and offer us a chance to learn more, share insight in a different way and share our initial impressions we came away with after a couple rides while filming. Your questions are several of the key questions we will be keeping in mind during our long term review period. Which is underway on many bikes in UK and PNW. Thanks for listing out the questions you want to hear answered! Always appreciate the insight.
Rob Warner likes them and reckons he’ll keep the Albert’s on his new Giant DH. Apparently the carcass doesn’t rebound and grip feels solid. Depending on the PSI!
I remember various companies offering radials years ago, but it didn't catch on. Not sure if the idea is just wrong for a tire that leans, or if it was just wrong for road with its extra-light construction, or if it was just bad execution.
How do you think these would do down here in the Southwest US ? Las Vegas, Phoenix, Sedona, Southern UT, etc. This area is *nothing* but rocks on rocks on rocks, like "kitty litter" over hard pack concrete like dirt. Occasional loam...... but usually only after a rare thunderstorm.
The Albert would likely do very well! I’d definitely be interested in trying a set there. Depending on the size of the loose over marbles, but I plan on taking mine back home to Los Angeles next week and will be riding them in plenty of dry, loose conditions
@@TheLoamWolf right on! Please do post some review videos of their usage out in LA. The trails in Southern California are a lot like out here in Vegas.
Any experience or speculation yet running Cushcore in the Alberts? Guess I'll find out soon enough, just ordered one for my rear......once my Eddy Current wears out
If the tread pattern is the same, radial produces more rolling resistance. That´s why the Alberts tread pattern is optimized for rolling. So it is very equal to a Magic Mary
Very odd, they want a tire for no inserts, and they make a softer tire that’s more linear? Doesn’t make sense. The 30% larger contact patch at the same pressure doesn’t really come into play when the pros run them at 30+ psi in the wet, the high pressure probably cancels out the footprint advantage. To me having to run higher pressures would cancel out all the advantages and the entire development purpose of the tire.
The whole point of an inserts is making the tire more progressive through volume reduction then providing a mechanical spring into the last bit of tire compression via the foam, letting you run lower pressures to gain more contact patch. More flexible casing leading to more contact patch then running high pressures is like they accidentally rediscovered the concept of buying the wrong tire and trying to run a trail casing at 35 psi for dh
Really like the big betty on the rear with super gravity but im just not getting on with the super gravity MM on the front. Maybe im not going fast enough
What industry is that? Just about every industry will see MAJOR changes with the change of a few degrees. Here's a few we could think of: Aviation industry - try changing the wings a few degrees and see how the plane flies. Railroad - what if the tracks rotated just a few degreees? Surgery - few degrees could be the difference between life or death Iron workers (or any construction for that matter) - high rise buildings likely wouldn't stand if their angles were changed just a few degrees. Automotive suspension/alignment - few degrees off your alignment, camber/tow and your tires would be roached.
@@TheLoamWolf I design downhole tools for extended reach O&G wells, typically 25k+ ft deep. Been very fortunate with their success. Thank you for the well thought out response. However, I'm referring to design changes on an existing successful product line from an engineering standpoint. My comment was honestly out of jealousy. These engineers made a seemingly small change to an already successful design and gained great results. Hopefully it's patent-able so they can protest it. Unfortunately when you make such a small change to something that everyone else is already doing(right angles) it can be tough, I've been there. Best of luck to them and I'll be happy to try out the magic mary version.
That sounds insane! It’s crazy to think about what humans and our minds are capable of creating and the tools (or toys) we create. Yeah we hear ya, it’s wild that such a seemingly overlooked thing could do, but they really do ride different, so, we’re excited about that! Don’t believe it’s a patentable tech, but they’ve at least got a year head start! Haha. Thanks for writing in and sharing your awesome job. Be rad to see that one day!
I couldn’t agree more. Loved the large grey lettering. They went with the industry standard of boring white lettering like Maxxis and Michelin. I’m not a fan.
Please test the claim of not needing inserts. I would not miss the faff of those things. (Yes, I can install them just fine, thanks.) And I'm glad they went with calling it a radial instead of inventing some TM-ed term. As someone who's worked in advertising for 30 years, I hate that crap even more than most people. 🤣
We'd likely suggest the Albert as the tighter packed knobs will be better rolling than the Shredda or Magic Mary. BUT, Schwalbe is aiming these tires at Enduro-level bikes and riders.
Finally a leap forward in mtb tires! Loved their Procore tech! Not so much the insert tech... Always use over 23psi front (+10% rear!). If these tires, can give me the feeling of around 16psi to 18psi, I need to check if it support me has a 23psi normal tire. Pieron is not an example to anyone 😅
In the german video, the marketing guy vom Schwalbe even mentioned, that they stay recognize they pro core sucks. I think this tires will Performance exceptional with tire inserts..
@@TheLoamWolf the price might be the same but the average rider will be drawn in by the marketing and will not feel, or improve the riding due to the cloth being cutting differently. But instead remove some perfectly good tires earlier than expected
Your initial assumption on price got shown to be false, so now you’re doubling down, and looking silly in the process. How is anyone ever supposed to improve or change anything? Are you running a 3X front chainring? Did you also moan like a dripping tap when 1X came out about all the unnecessary upgrading that people were being forced into? How are your cable operated rim brakes working out for you? Dropper post?! Pffft. Amirite?!
I hope the person that came up with the names of their tyres is ok. Are they just having time off? Same with the tyre patch designer? Did they replace them with an apprentice? Logos are awful. How can I run a MM Radial and NN now?
Haha, well, when those expensive tires wear out, replace them with these equally expensive tires that will grip way mo betta! We're happy to report pricing did not increase just because their new! So, props to Schwalbe there.
@@TheLoamWolf nobby nic, racing Ralph, hans dampf, and the now "old" magic Mary. I find Schwalbe to be consistently vague, maybe it's because I don't ride them that much but it feels like I'm fighting to stay gripped into things that other tires just don't leave me high and dry with. My last pair I gave them 10 rides before giving up on them.
When will the review of the new GT Fury be done? I'm looking forward to buy one but I'm searching for his riding characteristic since I'm not entirely convinced
I've been in mtbs since 89, and I've watched the industry ignore what has been done in other sports and activities. Only to see the mtb community mock me when I ask why? 1st would be suspension, I got so many responses from naysayers and why bikes don't need suspension.
@@dadventuretv2538 If Mert Lawwill's Pro Cruiser had been embraced instead of shunned and blackballed by the roadie Klunkerz dorks, we might have been where we currently are much earlier, but unfortunately we got square geometry bikes made for climbing instead of fun for the first three decades of mountain biking
@@bermroller I came into it in 1990 from bmx and freestyling and some dirtbike riding (although I was not like a motocross rider or anything). Even back then we were tinkering with short bmx style goosenecks and bars, and trying to figure out how to slacken the HTA (of course back then we called it how to rake out the front end). Of course nothing worked bc nothing was ever the same the size, and were dirt poor which didn’t help. Lol. We also knew we wanted fatter front tires and maybe even larger diameter too- you know like the dirtbikes we rode IN THE 80s!!!- but they just weren’t available. Of course then we’d show up somewhere and cyclists with the cyclist mentality of you can’t do that bc we’ve always done it this way (insert roadie way) would come outta the woodwork. I mean I am far, far from any sorta bike mechanic or engineer and even a dummy like me could figure some of this shit out back in the 90s simply bc I came from two other two wheeled sports that rode in the dirt and looked at it with that mentality instead of with the mentality of skinny tire riders who had no clue what was better in dirt, for jumping, or for bombing down 50 deg chutes.
So for an overall condition, Hardpack dirt, off camber roots, and some loamers, Mary with the new chasing on the front or the Albert? looks like an Assegay but with the knob height of an Hans Dampf
Ooof! That's a tough one. Where are you located? We rode these in Whistler, mostly hard pack, found some new loamers and lots of rocks and roots. The Albert was awesome! I'd maybe lean to that if you have drier conditions typically. If the loamers and dirt are wet and you need the penetration, Mary still may be the way to go. But, we really like these.
So in terms of the new naming (trail/gravity) when compared to the previous generation super trail and below would be trail and supergravity and above would be gravity? Or because of the construction and design to not need inserts does the new trail carcass step into super gravity territory?
Trail is still equivalent to Super Trail, and Gravity to Super Gravity in terms of carcass layers and therefore puncture protection and intended use case.
Love how all the negative comments are purely related to jargon LMAO. Completely missing the point, guys. This is a clear advancement in MTB tires. Go back to keyboard riding.
There is a Magic Mary version of this construction. The Albert tread pattern will not replace Mary, it is a very different pattern, and better for hard pack, loose over hard and mixed conditions. The Mary will penetrate more, but is still a good all around tire.
@@Micha_7F why do you assume it doubled up? If you look at DT Swiss wheels, the rating is for the system weight (rider, gear and bike). Not broken down per wheel. If it was 230 kg it would be a moot point to even publish, no one approaches that weight. If you look at their recommended tire pressure chart it lists 60, 85 and 110 kg rider weights and the recommended tire pressures at 110 kg basically push the limitations on the allowable tire pressure, hence the 115 kg limit.
@@michaeltiffe6341 because Schwalbe always publishes weight per tire. Imagine you‘re riding a cargo bike with a 20“ and a 26“ wheel. Every tire has it’s own load capacity
Radial tires design is not suited to low pressure combined with high loads. That's like a known fact. Idk what this guy is saying but sounds like marketing...😅
We agree. However, with the same tire pressure you get the benefits of the characteristic of a conventional tire at lower pressure, without losing the support when pushing hard. You could go up say 10-20% tire pressure, and still feel improved comfort and traction. That said, Robert is 210-220lbs and pushes hard in corners so we will report on this topic specifically in the long term review!
I think its important to recognize that these are only slightly more radial. Not a true 90⁰ radial at all, so the "known fact" doesn't completely apply to this example
They specifically mentioned that they pushed the "radial" angle change as far as they could without compromising the tires stability and protection.....Did you even watch the video?
MTB tyre corp "We are now implementing technology that has been in motorcycle tyres for decades but we're still going to make you pay an arm and leg for the research and development costs 👍🏻"
oh for sure! Also the name of some ex gf on the neck! but dont forget the brass knuckles on the back of yer hand ! Also every real bike head has to be on the roids like , oops that might be for the 10 speed road fellows.... ha
I really do not think this is that radical. Most of the current tires I use are by definition radial ply. These just appear to have a different radial construction, but most importantly the difference is in the tire profile. Tested MX tires in the 70's and from experience then and on MTB now, tread patterns and tire profiles matter more to me. Have always thought MTB tire profiles are way too square.
I would guess not, if you hear to Schwalbe Marketing guy. Especially on smooth surface you have more rolling resistance... Die tires Performance especially in rocky and rooty Terrain. They can suck up this stuff and even give leds rolling resistance under this circumstances performance. boost. If you want them with low pressure
Our climbing time on them so far has not been extensive enough to give you a definitive answer... Sorry, but we don't wanna mislead you there. We will work on giving some comparison, BUT, the Albert Soft (tighter packed knobs) is similar to a Big Betty Soft in the same casing. It's not huge, but similarly, you may save energy by not spinning out or loosing traction, which does end up making you faster if your climbs are very chunky...
@TheLoamWolf I'm looking to replace my DHF/DHR2 setup with something lighter and better rolling characteristics for SoCal loose rocky terrain and park days. I pedal mostly to my local trails.
Right on. You should enjoy the added traction and suppleness over the rocks. Maybe don’t get Ultra Soft rear of you pedal on the road far! Haha we haven’t tried the Albert in SoCal yet but are going back home in two weeks and will try them at Suicide and Rocky Peak and let you know.
It looks like they have the Magic Mary in radial, but it is a front tire... Would trail riders be running double Marys? That doesn't seem like the best setup.
They have a pretty different application, but, we like these A lot better so far. The Eddy will be much stiffer and the tread pattern is quite different too.
Месяц назад
@@TheLoamWolf so the emtb specific ones are outdated by regular ones? Or is it that the line between mtb and emtb is now blurred with regards to tire choice?
We asked Schwalbe about this - they say "The lines have been blurred by our recent models and we see benefits from both types of tires when it comes to traction, grip and performance depending on the terrain, rider skill and weight." Essentially, like all brands, the tires will offer different traits and characteristics. While many will love this new construction, there may be some more "specific" riders who don't like the added compliance as they rely on stiffer tires for their type of riding. Hope that helps.
Месяц назад+1
@@TheLoamWolf thanks for quick answers. I think I will replace my Maxxis DHR/DHF with one of these radial ones to get my own experience. Have a nice weekend.
everytime something new and radical happens in MTB it's something that has been in moto for decades.
they should just adopt everything from moto at this stage, i wonder what else we can get, we already have high rise bars becoming a thing finally.
@@flennboyd6413 well except for the whole one frame fits all... and geo, etc etc..
Let's skip brake rub though.
dropper post
Well yeah they've been trying for decades to make them light enough to be sensible for MTB. You can't just carry over the same moto tires.
The MTB marketing force is strong...
So are the gimmicks
The hook up of this new tire is insane. I rode them about a month ago.
I agree 100% here. Put them on last night and was initially super impressed with the grip. Can't comment on longevity or drag but am going to have to change my rebound front and rear they're that different from the DHF/DHR combos I've run previously...and they're super quiet.
Great. So now Maxxis has the thread pattern, Michelin the rubber compound and Schwalbe the carcass. Good luck picking a tire :))
I would say Continental got it all!
@@SidiNic I'm using Michelin for now, the rubber is crazy sticky.
@@vlbz tested the Wild enduro. Overall very good tire but the weight is huge and after 5 months the rear is about done.
@@SidiNic I had the old DH22 29. Stated weight was already a lot at 1.5kg, but it was actually 1.6. The new version is a lot lighter, don't know about the WE.
Those nailed tools on the wall...so funny! 😀
SCOOP at 9:20 !!! Amaury Pierron won Val de Sol (and Les Gets) on a prototype radial Dirty Dan!?!?!? Now we know how he was able to eat seconds off the clock, compared to his other competitors - it was those radial tires
You got it!
Was gonna say does this technology explain the Season AP's been having?!?
They should have led with that. Makes me think that there is actually something to this new tire tech
Isn't that basically still a diagonal construction with a variation in the angle? It's still crossed. It's an interesting idea, but also looks like a misnomer. Makes me worry that the marketing people at Schwalbe have more of a say than the engineers.
He does state that it's not actually exactly radial. A radial tire has the carcass cords running perpendicular to the direction of travel (90°). This isn't quite that. I am curious to see how it rides to see if it's just hype or makes a difference.
Leave it to marketing to bend reality..
Early schematic shows 89.34° vs roughly 45° for virtually all other bike tires. As a long time car tire industry person, this is huge development and yes, it's a radial. All other bike tires are bias plys. This is a step change. Looking forward to seeing it spread to XC, gravel and road tires
I agree that calling them radial is a bit misleading. Although all the stuff they said because of the more angled towards radial construction would hold true. I am not sure a true radial tire would work so well for MTB because you would need thicker and stiffer rubber sidewalls to support them.
Well...the entire point is to sell tires...needed or not...so...yea...
"Can't tell you the angle" - But your graphic can at 2:25 ! The radial ply is set at 89.34 degrees (vs 122.15 for a standard tire bias ply)
I think thats the length but if you assume the one for 122.15 is for 45deg then you can deduce that the "radial" magic angle is about 15deg : 122.15 cos(45) = 89.34 cos (magic angle)
Agreed. It's the length.
@@fastfish666Bikerumor article says 15 degrees, so matches what you math’d.
Sounds good, Id have to wait to see direct comparison to Continental Kryptotals since their rolling resistance and grip are outstanding.
I was not impressed with the kryptotals
In tyre inserts I still trust.
Once had a 2 finger wide sidewall cut without the inserts. I walk down 800m/2400ft elevation that Day.
I guess these tires will perform absolute amazing with inserts. You can run just a little bit higher pressure than the crazy low one. You can get away with much higher traction and the same safety leather from patcher resistance.
Of course this comes out the day after I order a set of Tacky Chans. Will be trying the Albert as a front tire eventually.
bro, ain't it always that way! Purchased charger 3.0 upgrade literally the day before the launched the 3.1 🙃
@@michaelcuddihee6754 Haha yeah I just ordered the upgrade piston and rebound kit for mine lol.
Tacky Chan are cheap fast rolling tires but you have to be aggressive and load the front, otherwise RIP.
You didn’t make a bad purchase with the tacky Chans. I have it as a rear tire mixed with the magic Mary as a front tire. I’m loving the combo and the Chan’s give amazing cornering traction as long as you go from center knobs to side knobs very quickly, otherwise it’s dirt nap time.
@@CalQaida I bought a rear and front set to see how I like running them on the front as well. If I take too many dirt naps. The Magic Mary will be going back on haha.
So you made a softer tire for a given pressure. This removes my need to for inserts (ramping support and to a lesser degree rim protection) how?
I would like to know the tire pressures that were used by the riders.
Interesting, would want to ride a set before ditching my Krpytotals for them, Then comes the obvious head to head vs the Kryptotal and Assegai.
These tires on Berd Spoke wheels seem like it would be a dream setup!
First thing that comes to mind is testing uphill traction in techy climbs through rocky sections. I got a lot of that where I live (literal boulder fields), so more bite is always welcome.
The radial casing conforms to the edges of rocks and roots better. Less deflection and considerably improved traction.
SHREDDA for the WIN!! Nice one..
Roxy’s ride and inspire ,on RUclips, gave a very positive review on these tires. Learning to ride better with her courses.
Great to hear!
With a name like that, what’s not to love?❤😂🎉
These sound great! I am always looking for more grip, as I use Maxis Assagai downhill tires on my Bosch CX4 bike. Here is another tip for really loose, rocky climbs. I found this out just yesterday, climbing a trail with baseball sized rocks torn out of the trail bed by moto use and recent rain. I tried switching from EMTB to AUTO MODE. It made a big difference, as auto mode is a little smother in is torque application.
Thanks for sharing!
I guess I don't understand. If the tires are more compliant, aren't you more likely to hit the rim at the same PSI?
Ok, these new tyres deform more, so the contact patch is up to 30% more, so:
You should increase air pressure in order to compensate for the extra deformation (or your precious rims will suffer the consecuences)
Roll noticeably slower, unless you give them a couple more PSI's
Can't we get to the same result by just dropping pressures on our normal, "non radial" tyres?
Hey loam wolf team ✌️You guys make really awesome reviews!!! Chapeau 🤙🤙🤙
Thank you so much! We appreciate it.
These look noice😍 can’t wait to try em out sometime and feel the difference compared to the Schwalbes I’m running now (which I f*ckin love so far)
I picked up a couple of Argotals the other day because they were less than ½ price and free delivery. Also haven’t tried them ha ha still on hands damp.
Curious why no speedgrip? If it’s already increasing grip via contact, why not use a more durable compound with less rolling resistance?
I would guess the increased contact patch already comes with increased rolling resistance (only partway through the video, not sure if they mention that at all). Seems like this tire design is focused on grip and maintaining control, not reducing resistance and maximizing efficiency
How’s the weight on them babies? Love the tech from trials!! 🤙
Same effect as lowering pressure or using softer compound. More grip and more rolling resistance.
Try it out and feel the difference.
I had the chance to test it for a while. It’s something vey different.
Feels like a very well tuned suspension
@@Micha_7F it sounds good, aside from the extra rolling resistance lol, I don't think i can deal with more of that in my life :)
@@OktaFierce Solution is simple. Ride more bikes, get stronger, don’t care about some lost watts 😀
Radial is the way to go !
Order placed!
Hope you like them as much as we have.
@@TheLoamWolf If you get a chance to put them on some wheels with those Berd spokes...that will be the ultimate combo.
Magic Mary radial bike park tire please!🙏
Kind of surprised by all the negative comments. Seems like this could be a pretty decent step forward for mtb tire tech. They gave it a good test and there’s logical reasons why the contact patch increases. What is there to hate??
The race results have already proven this tire to have some serious performance gains. But, to us it seems most of the issue is with the “radial” nomenclature.
@@TheLoamWolf fair point. Keep up the great work really enjoyed this vid. Especially confirming that you tested it with a number of people and felt confident giving the stamp of approval. I’m keen to get on this front tire 👍
Thank you very much, we will do our best.
A new product to the bicycle market and you are confused as to why there is h*te?? Are you new to the bike community?!?! 😂
@@drwheycooler8423 if there’s anything the community should be excited about, it’s tire improvements
I wonder if they'll make XC tires radial too. Makes sense to me. More traction with minimal tread.
This is exciting
Just ordered a set for my MX Relay. I did try the Tacky Chan up front last week and it wasn't working for me. It felt too small and like it was pinging everywhere (dry loose rocky terrain) although the few spots of loam I hit it hooked up amazing on the edge.
It would be cool if they would make this in a 26" XC version...:)
Yes.
Schwalbe made the carcass more pliable, so how does this affect support during cornering? How does this affect bottom out? Why does radial take away the need for inserts? If they made the carcass less stiff, wouldn't that make it tend to bottom out easier? We know lighter tires conform better, so will these better conforming tires have worse damping characteristics compared to traditional downhill casings? All these questions seem quite natural but you didn't bring any of them up. This reads more like an advert.
This is not a long term review. We tried to state early on this is part of our Dissected Series, which are content projects made with brands, usually around the launch of new products because these are a lot more fun than press releases, home page takeovers or banner ads and offer us a chance to learn more, share insight in a different way and share our initial impressions we came away with after a couple rides while filming.
Your questions are several of the key questions we will be keeping in mind during our long term review period. Which is underway on many bikes in UK and PNW.
Thanks for listing out the questions you want to hear answered! Always appreciate the insight.
Rob Warner likes them and reckons he’ll keep the Albert’s on his new Giant DH. Apparently the carcass doesn’t rebound and grip feels solid. Depending on the PSI!
I remember various companies offering radials years ago, but it didn't catch on. Not sure if the idea is just wrong for a tire that leans, or if it was just wrong for road with its extra-light construction, or if it was just bad execution.
How do you think these would do down here in the Southwest US ? Las Vegas, Phoenix, Sedona, Southern UT, etc. This area is *nothing* but rocks on rocks on rocks, like "kitty litter" over hard pack concrete like dirt. Occasional loam...... but usually only after a rare thunderstorm.
The Albert would likely do very well! I’d definitely be interested in trying a set there. Depending on the size of the loose over marbles, but I plan on taking mine back home to Los Angeles next week and will be riding them in plenty of dry, loose conditions
@@TheLoamWolf right on! Please do post some review videos of their usage out in LA. The trails in Southern California are a lot like out here in Vegas.
Any experience or speculation yet running Cushcore in the Alberts? Guess I'll find out soon enough, just ordered one for my rear......once my Eddy Current wears out
These came on my new Heckler SL. Pretty impressed with them after being on Maxxis my whole life.
Sounds interesting.
So does that mean naturally more drag and rolling resistance?
If the tread pattern is the same, radial produces more rolling resistance. That´s why the Alberts tread pattern is optimized for rolling. So it is very equal to a Magic Mary
Very odd, they want a tire for no inserts, and they make a softer tire that’s more linear? Doesn’t make sense. The 30% larger contact patch at the same pressure doesn’t really come into play when the pros run them at 30+ psi in the wet, the high pressure probably cancels out the footprint advantage. To me having to run higher pressures would cancel out all the advantages and the entire development purpose of the tire.
The whole point of an inserts is making the tire more progressive through volume reduction then providing a mechanical spring into the last bit of tire compression via the foam, letting you run lower pressures to gain more contact patch. More flexible casing leading to more contact patch then running high pressures is like they accidentally rediscovered the concept of buying the wrong tire and trying to run a trail casing at 35 psi for dh
Really like the big betty on the rear with super gravity but im just not getting on with the super gravity MM on the front. Maybe im not going fast enough
Someone help me find some Albert’s plz! 29/2.5 downhill casing/ super soft
Drag? Does it feel like velcro and drag under power and trail riding though? Downhill it makes sense. They sort of addressed it but wasnt clear
Man I wish innovation in my industry came that easy lol. Just change the angle a few degrees, wow
What industry is that? Just about every industry will see MAJOR changes with the change of a few degrees. Here's a few we could think of:
Aviation industry - try changing the wings a few degrees and see how the plane flies.
Railroad - what if the tracks rotated just a few degreees?
Surgery - few degrees could be the difference between life or death
Iron workers (or any construction for that matter) - high rise buildings likely wouldn't stand if their angles were changed just a few degrees.
Automotive suspension/alignment - few degrees off your alignment, camber/tow and your tires would be roached.
@@TheLoamWolf I design downhole tools for extended reach O&G wells, typically 25k+ ft deep. Been very fortunate with their success. Thank you for the well thought out response. However, I'm referring to design changes on an existing successful product line from an engineering standpoint. My comment was honestly out of jealousy. These engineers made a seemingly small change to an already successful design and gained great results. Hopefully it's patent-able so they can protest it. Unfortunately when you make such a small change to something that everyone else is already doing(right angles) it can be tough, I've been there. Best of luck to them and I'll be happy to try out the magic mary version.
That sounds insane! It’s crazy to think about what humans and our minds are capable of creating and the tools (or toys) we create.
Yeah we hear ya, it’s wild that such a seemingly overlooked thing could do, but they really do ride different, so, we’re excited about that! Don’t believe it’s a patentable tech, but they’ve at least got a year head start! Haha.
Thanks for writing in and sharing your awesome job. Be rad to see that one day!
Excited for the new technology, but the logo patch looks sooo bad.
The old Schwalbe’s looked really good too, what a shame.
I couldn’t agree more. Loved the large grey lettering. They went with the industry standard of boring white lettering like Maxxis and Michelin. I’m not a fan.
Please test the claim of not needing inserts. I would not miss the faff of those things. (Yes, I can install them just fine, thanks.) And I'm glad they went with calling it a radial instead of inventing some TM-ed term. As someone who's worked in advertising for 30 years, I hate that crap even more than most people. 🤣
Would you recommend Trail or Gravity for Southern Utah on a Heckler SL?
Tread pattern is very similar to Specialized Eliminator.
Super soft and Soft compound?
also assegai
Thanks very much. Which model is suggested for the cross country or trail bike rider?
We'd likely suggest the Albert as the tighter packed knobs will be better rolling than the Shredda or Magic Mary. BUT, Schwalbe is aiming these tires at Enduro-level bikes and riders.
@@TheLoamWolf gracias!
Finally a leap forward in mtb tires!
Loved their Procore tech!
Not so much the insert tech...
Always use over 23psi front (+10% rear!).
If these tires, can give me the feeling of around 16psi to 18psi, I need to check if it support me has a 23psi normal tire.
Pieron is not an example to anyone 😅
In the german video, the marketing guy vom Schwalbe even mentioned, that they stay recognize they pro core sucks.
I think this tires will Performance exceptional with tire inserts..
Sounds like a great way to increase the price even more and shaft the end user
We specifically asked about pricing in this video, they stated, prices will remain the same....
@@TheLoamWolf the price might be the same but the average rider will be drawn in by the marketing and will not feel, or improve the riding due to the cloth being cutting differently.
But instead remove some perfectly good tires earlier than expected
Your initial assumption on price got shown to be false, so now you’re doubling down, and looking silly in the process.
How is anyone ever supposed to improve or change anything?
Are you running a 3X front chainring? Did you also moan like a dripping tap when 1X came out about all the unnecessary upgrading that people were being forced into?
How are your cable operated rim brakes working out for you? Dropper post?! Pffft. Amirite?!
In the german Video Marketing guy talks about increasing production costs of 2-3 Euro per tire
Gravel version coming???!!! Please!!!!
I hope the person that came up with the names of their tyres is ok. Are they just having time off?
Same with the tyre patch designer? Did they replace them with an apprentice?
Logos are awful. How can I run a MM Radial and NN now?
Yeah, tyre patch is so bad. Such a step down from the current design.
Hey guys makes an episode of diferent tires climbing the new michelin ewild raceline, continental hydrotal, shwalbe shredda & maxxis high roller.
That's a great idea! We LOVE technical climbs and that sounds like a blast. Thanks for the idea.
Interested to see how they deal with sniper roots 😅
Really well. Much less deflection
OMFG...... i dreamed with this idea!!! will buy for sure
Really?!? OMFG!
@@VelkePivo someone should hire me!
What setup did you have front and back?
Methinks a lot of the commenters (myself included) are *hoping* these aren't that good because we already have expensive tires on our bikes 😅
Haha, well, when those expensive tires wear out, replace them with these equally expensive tires that will grip way mo betta! We're happy to report pricing did not increase just because their new! So, props to Schwalbe there.
@@TheLoamWolf For context, my home trails are Shepherd Mountain... The ability to run much higher pressures would be wonderful
Whats the new front rear shredder combo, albert/tacky chan or is tacky chan going to get a radial version as well?
If you went with an Albert for the front, what would you pair on the back?
Depends on the terrain. We ran dual Alberts in Whistler and Finale and were quite pleased.
@@TheLoamWolf hell yeah. I love my Conti Kryptos, but these are going on the new bike.
Schwalbert
Also Schwreddahh!
Schwalbert for sure.
Ive yet to ride a schwalbe I like, but I'm always willing to try something once.
Interesting! What have you tried, and what didn't you like about them?
@@TheLoamWolf nobby nic, racing Ralph, hans dampf, and the now "old" magic Mary. I find Schwalbe to be consistently vague, maybe it's because I don't ride them that much but it feels like I'm fighting to stay gripped into things that other tires just don't leave me high and dry with. My last pair I gave them 10 rides before giving up on them.
When will the review of the new GT Fury be done? I'm looking forward to buy one but I'm searching for his riding characteristic since I'm not entirely convinced
We are working on a Downhill group review right now, with filming scheduled in early September. Hopefully will be a quick turn on the edit.
How is this a new thing to mtb. Why hasn't anyone tried this before?
I've been in mtbs since 89, and I've watched the industry ignore what has been done in other sports and activities. Only to see the mtb community mock me when I ask why? 1st would be suspension, I got so many responses from naysayers and why bikes don't need suspension.
cost - it's always cheaper to use existing tech
Bc mtbing is run by cyclists and cycling companies who view everything through the lens of road bikes and riding. Been pissing me off since 1990
@@dadventuretv2538 If Mert Lawwill's Pro Cruiser had been embraced instead of shunned and blackballed by the roadie Klunkerz dorks, we might have been where we currently are much earlier, but unfortunately we got square geometry bikes made for climbing instead of fun for the first three decades of mountain biking
@@bermroller I came into it in 1990 from bmx and freestyling and some dirtbike riding (although I was not like a motocross rider or anything). Even back then we were tinkering with short bmx style goosenecks and bars, and trying to figure out how to slacken the HTA (of course back then we called it how to rake out the front end). Of course nothing worked bc nothing was ever the same the size, and were dirt poor which didn’t help. Lol. We also knew we wanted fatter front tires and maybe even larger diameter too- you know like the dirtbikes we rode IN THE 80s!!!- but they just weren’t available. Of course then we’d show up somewhere and cyclists with the cyclist mentality of you can’t do that bc we’ve always done it this way (insert roadie way) would come outta the woodwork. I mean I am far, far from any sorta bike mechanic or engineer and even a dummy like me could figure some of this shit out back in the 90s simply bc I came from two other two wheeled sports that rode in the dirt and looked at it with that mentality instead of with the mentality of skinny tire riders who had no clue what was better in dirt, for jumping, or for bombing down 50 deg chutes.
So for an overall condition, Hardpack dirt, off camber roots, and some loamers, Mary with the new chasing on the front or the Albert? looks like an Assegay but with the knob height of an Hans Dampf
Ooof! That's a tough one. Where are you located? We rode these in Whistler, mostly hard pack, found some new loamers and lots of rocks and roots. The Albert was awesome! I'd maybe lean to that if you have drier conditions typically. If the loamers and dirt are wet and you need the penetration, Mary still may be the way to go. But, we really like these.
@@TheLoamWolf yeah currently in Rotorua, so not always dry, Mary is great but at the same time on the sniper wet off can be roots suffers a bit
Wheres the link to purchase these tires??
They’re over $100 per tire!
So in terms of the new naming (trail/gravity) when compared to the previous generation super trail and below would be trail and supergravity and above would be gravity?
Or because of the construction and design to not need inserts does the new trail carcass step into super gravity territory?
Trail is still equivalent to Super Trail, and Gravity to Super Gravity in terms of carcass layers and therefore puncture protection and intended use case.
first the new tires are pretty interessting gona test them out but damn the new schwalbe logo and design is just too minimalistic idk about it
How does the new carcass affect cornering? Any increase in the tire wanting to fold at the same pressures as SG casing?
I‘m way north of 200 pounds and it stays on the rim, even shralping tight corners
@@Micha_7F hell yeah!
What tires can help my bike feel more plush? ie more soft on trail chatter.
Radial tires make a bike feel way more plush.
Less fatigue, longer runs
'Not quite radial'...exciting though
Exciting indeed!
Love how all the negative comments are purely related to jargon LMAO. Completely missing the point, guys. This is a clear advancement in MTB tires. Go back to keyboard riding.
Clear advancement. Thats a bold statement.
“Clear” lol
With the same Schwalbe 67 TPI there now feel like 2x 120TPI or will Radial go further than that?
may more supple than 2x 120 tpi
Good stuff
Any idea on weight versus “conventional” tire.
Essentially the same.
Can these replace the magic Mary?
Is there a compromise?
There is a Magic Mary version of this construction. The Albert tread pattern will not replace Mary, it is a very different pattern, and better for hard pack, loose over hard and mixed conditions. The Mary will penetrate more, but is still a good all around tire.
@@TheLoamWolfthank you
Are these like previous Schwalbe product and only limited to lighter riders? What system (rider, gear and bike) weight are they rated for?
115kg says the datasheet
@@winters3that’s weight per tire.
230 kg for a bike is enough for most shredders
@@Micha_7F why do you assume it doubled up? If you look at DT Swiss wheels, the rating is for the system weight (rider, gear and bike). Not broken down per wheel. If it was 230 kg it would be a moot point to even publish, no one approaches that weight. If you look at their recommended tire pressure chart it lists 60, 85 and 110 kg rider weights and the recommended tire pressures at 110 kg basically push the limitations on the allowable tire pressure, hence the 115 kg limit.
@@michaeltiffe6341 because Schwalbe weight ratings are always per tire.
Otherwise I wouldn’t have tires to ride on, because I‘m north of 100 kg 😀
@@michaeltiffe6341 because Schwalbe always publishes weight per tire.
Imagine you‘re riding a cargo bike with a 20“ and a 26“ wheel. Every tire has it’s own load capacity
Radial tires design is not suited to low pressure combined with high loads. That's like a known fact. Idk what this guy is saying but sounds like marketing...😅
We agree. However, with the same tire pressure you get the benefits of the characteristic of a conventional tire at lower pressure, without losing the support when pushing hard. You could go up say 10-20% tire pressure, and still feel improved comfort and traction. That said, Robert is 210-220lbs and pushes hard in corners so we will report on this topic specifically in the long term review!
I think its important to recognize that these are only slightly more radial. Not a true 90⁰ radial at all, so the "known fact" doesn't completely apply to this example
They specifically mentioned that they pushed the "radial" angle change as far as they could without compromising the tires stability and protection.....Did you even watch the video?
MTB tyre corp
"We are now implementing technology that has been in motorcycle tyres for decades but we're still going to make you pay an arm and leg for the research and development costs 👍🏻"
When will these be available?
Should be available right meow! 🐱
Do I need full arm tattoos to be able to ride mtb?
oh for sure! Also the name of some ex gf on the neck! but dont forget the brass knuckles on the back of yer hand ! Also every real bike head has to be on the roids like , oops that might be for the 10 speed road fellows.... ha
Yeah, we sell tough guy stickers in our webstore. Go get you some and look the part!
so basically schwalbes version of wide trail?
Not at all! Wide trail is simply a different shape of carcass. This is a different way of constructing the tire altogether.
I really do not think this is that radical. Most of the current tires I use are by definition radial ply. These just appear to have a different radial construction, but most importantly the difference is in the tire profile.
Tested MX tires in the 70's and from experience then and on MTB now, tread patterns and tire profiles matter more to me. Have always thought MTB tire profiles are way too square.
The only way to be sure is testing. Everything else is speculation
Do these tires provide any advantages for loaded, off pavement bike packing?
I would guess not, if you hear to Schwalbe Marketing guy. Especially on smooth surface you have more rolling resistance...
Die tires Performance especially in rocky and rooty Terrain. They can suck up this stuff and even give leds rolling resistance under this circumstances performance. boost. If you want them with low pressure
Schwalbinental Kryptalbert...
There's more to a tire than the rough pattern of the knobs. Much more.
Schwaxxis Assbert?
What’s the recommend radial tire combo for Southern Utah dry / hard pack riding on a Heckler SL?
Albert for Hardpack
Mary for mixed
Shredda for loooooose stuff
@@Micha_7F does Albert have a F/R iteration?
@@DK-wd8ju hey, I‘m not sure what that means 😀
@@DK-wd8ju Shredda does, but the Albert is the same for front/rear.
@@Micha_7F front & rear
if they not making it 26x2,35 version im not interested at all :D
We need is a climbing tire for ebikes.
You have an ebike, is climbing not easy enough already? 😂
@@harv83btw is not easy as you haters things ebikes works on a steep uphill.
@@harv83well given that I’ve taken to tackling moto trail climbs on my Oso- no.
Ebikes go downhill to ???
Are these uber draggy on climbs?
Our climbing time on them so far has not been extensive enough to give you a definitive answer... Sorry, but we don't wanna mislead you there. We will work on giving some comparison, BUT, the Albert Soft (tighter packed knobs) is similar to a Big Betty Soft in the same casing. It's not huge, but similarly, you may save energy by not spinning out or loosing traction, which does end up making you faster if your climbs are very chunky...
Put this on Magic Mary's
They did!
@@TheLoamWolf nice one
So, with tire prices in the $$$ range, how much are these going to cost?
We were told prices with remain the same.
@TheLoamWolf I'm looking to replace my DHF/DHR2 setup with something lighter and better rolling characteristics for SoCal loose rocky terrain and park days. I pedal mostly to my local trails.
Right on. You should enjoy the added traction and suppleness over the rocks. Maybe don’t get Ultra Soft rear of you pedal on the road far! Haha we haven’t tried the Albert in SoCal yet but are going back home in two weeks and will try them at Suicide and Rocky Peak and let you know.
@@TheLoamWolf thx
It looks like they have the Magic Mary in radial, but it is a front tire...
Would trail riders be running double Marys? That doesn't seem like the best setup.
How do these compare to the Eddy Current?
They have a pretty different application, but, we like these A lot better so far. The Eddy will be much stiffer and the tread pattern is quite different too.
@@TheLoamWolf so the emtb specific ones are outdated by regular ones? Or is it that the line between mtb and emtb is now blurred with regards to tire choice?
We asked Schwalbe about this - they say "The lines have been blurred by our recent models and we see benefits from both types of tires when it comes to traction, grip and performance depending on the terrain, rider skill and weight."
Essentially, like all brands, the tires will offer different traits and characteristics. While many will love this new construction, there may be some more "specific" riders who don't like the added compliance as they rely on stiffer tires for their type of riding.
Hope that helps.
@@TheLoamWolf thanks for quick answers. I think I will replace my Maxxis DHR/DHF with one of these radial ones to get my own experience. Have a nice weekend.
Eddy current can handle 10kg more load
I don't need a 2+ pound tire, or 2 of them. good luck,
Then this product is for others, not for you 😊
Cost? Over 150$ US I bet
Maybe Canadian 😂
They could call it assy guy