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  • Опубликовано: 25 фев 2023
  • The ‘Z06’. If the Corvette is America’s Porsche 911, this is its GT3. And in American sports car folklore there is no bigger deal. But for Chevy’s latest it’s bucked the trend; no electric assistance, no hybrid help, and no turbos either. It’s got an entirely new engine, the LT6 - a 5.5-litre dry sump, flat-plane crank V8 taken from the C8R GTLM race car. Good for 670bhp and 459lb ft, it sees off 0-60mph in 2.7secs. It also sounds more Italian than American, like the great engine from a Ferrari 458. So we thought we’d bring one of those along. And Porsche’s GT3, because we’re thorough. But could this be America’s best sports car ever? Top Gear Magazine’s Ollie Marriage hit the road and track to find out.
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  • @gregsouther7293
    @gregsouther7293 Год назад +1129

    "Time for the 458 to bow out gracefully". Translation, the owner wouldn't let us take to the track😂

    • @Lonespark
      @Lonespark Год назад +43

      I thought the same thing, however, I sure wouldn't either if it were mine.

    • @DearMajesty
      @DearMajesty Год назад +196

      Translation, Ferrari wouldn't let it be used in any comparison. Even the owners get in trouble lol

    • @dbx_1
      @dbx_1 Год назад +71

      @@DearMajesty z06 would make it look bad

    • @iTrinityPlays
      @iTrinityPlays Год назад +41

      @@dbx_1 Especially a z07 package equipped z06.

    • @andrewhigdon8346
      @andrewhigdon8346 Год назад +6

      I don’t care how good the new “Corvette” is in comparison to some icons as far as handling, numbers, etc. I’ve never been a huge fan of Corvettes, as they’ve always seemed to be owned by and deliberately designed to satiate the guys who NEEDED more attention, meanwhile most of America looks and yawns at Corvettes. Excepting of course the 1965-1967 Big block version. Sexy no matter how you slice it, yet understated and masculine, the one where “taste” was still thrown around during the design process. Beige and after it has always seemed to be in the same level of crassness that the word vulgar meant at the same time. Yes, I could call the 1st gen Corvettes vulgar, when viewed from the time when Lucy and Desi couldn’t even be DEPICTED as sharing a bed on TV even though they portrayed a married couple. Bonkers. What next, a blow job in the Oval Office? If that happens we will have overstayed our welcome as leaders of the free world. What? Seriously? No way in hell. Total bullshit, never happened. Is is what is is definition is what is is? Great. But the new one even went into the last stall at the last dive at the last hour to dig out the last whore passed out but verbally requesting intimacy. It has a REAR ENGINE! It’s NOT a real Corvette. Call it whatever. What next, a scaled up version of what RC cars have been doing for years, give it a LiPo battery for juice and a ridiculously over powered motor to blast it into hyper speed, even ludicrous speed? That too huh? This car represents corporate America’s desperate and misguided assertion of the answer no one asked. What will it take to beat the iconic super cars of the modern era? Who asked them that? Crickets. Yeah, and while you’re at it, aim for the sky, the future, the ragged edge, a flat plane crank, make it look like a JCWhitney “Ferrari”, and from the rear give it a sad kick in the ass where the impact shape sticks. And make claims of firsts ten years after the icons of ten years ago mastered long before. Set the benchmark by someone ELSE’S accomplishments. Claim relevance by the numbers achieved. Sit quietly on your velour throne, with three round taillights, to really bring tradition and progression into full circle, like round twilights. Oh. Damn. So sad. In the mid 1960’s, do you think Chevy really gave a shit about the numbers produced by Ferrari or Maserati or Porsche? Do you think they cared about where the engine was? They made the Corvair for goodness sake, been there, done that, overachieved, and never got the credit deserved. They took the once piddly toy meant to keep deep pockets stateside, and threw that for,HOA out with the shitty kitty litter and made a monster at odds with their own corporate rules. That was a sports car, and a monstrous one at that, with the Cobra and Miura the only things to compete yet a fraction of their cost, and surely more reliable than either. The 458 was love at first sight back then, along with the 308, and besides those modern Ferraris, I’ve thought they were designed with the vulgarity of Countach as the baseline. Enzo, Testarossa, F40, like top notch combovers on older men that actually got what they want, yet still desperate. Porsche. Eh. Never gave a crap except for the 928, muscular and sexy, and of course the Panamera has been a running joke for more than a decade, until……….the Tourismo version. I always need resuscitation after seeing one of those. Painfully beautiful. But I have a thing for wagons, so there. What the hell do I know? Too much, apparently.

  • @javierdiaz7825
    @javierdiaz7825 Год назад +474

    Yea it seems a bit unfair that not only was this not the Track focused version (Z07), but this was also the convertible chassis. Not very accurate comparison to the track monster GT3.

    • @zsohaihfaosav
      @zsohaihfaosav Год назад +26

      That is their segment, so it seems fair to me. GT3 RS is the down force purer track car.

    • @Khan-ts2ji
      @Khan-ts2ji Год назад +14

      So it’s more unfair than comparing a 2022 GT3 to a refurbished 20 year old Ferrari.

    • @Jay-jb2vr
      @Jay-jb2vr Год назад +14

      The comparison is fine man

    • @Speednote10
      @Speednote10 Год назад

      I don't see how that's unfair when most of the test was done on the road.

    • @Pistolita221
      @Pistolita221 Год назад +54

      @@zsohaihfaosav No it's not, the standard Z06 competes more with the 911 classic sport or 911 GT3 Touring. The z06 z07 competes with the GT3 and the ZR1 competes with the top of the 9/11 stack (Turbo/S and GT 3RS). I'm expecting the ZR1 to beat or tie the 911 Turbo, with the Zora probably beating the Turbo S. 850bhp in the ZR1 and close to or over 1000 in the Zora, the Zora will be chomping at the heals of top tier hypercars with 1000bhp and somehow under 250k (before options). The Zora's powertrain will be comparable to a McLaren P1, Laferrari, Porsche 918, etc. with a modern infotainment system. Wild stuff coming out of the USA, FINALLY! The USA also holds the Guinness book of world record top speed for a stock road legal car.

  • @movinginstereo44
    @movinginstereo44 Год назад +161

    All three cars are genuine masterpieces. The reason I am a Corvette man is because Corvette brings that performance to every man. Whereas most people would never be able to afford or more importantly maintain either one of the others. Thank you Chevrolet. Keep up the great work. GM man for life.
    ❤️😎👍

    • @chazmichaelmichaels88
      @chazmichaelmichaels88 Год назад +7

      Love vettes!

    • @SomeGuysGarage
      @SomeGuysGarage Год назад

      What kind of white sneakers do you wear?

    • @Glide1992
      @Glide1992 Год назад +1

      @@SomeGuysGarage As a Harley and Vette owner, I don't get that remark.

    • @SomeGuysGarage
      @SomeGuysGarage Год назад

      @@Glide1992 lol

    • @srpsbb2000
      @srpsbb2000 10 месяцев назад +3

      Yes GM did. Then the dealers are like, we can get another 100k over that sticker on the z06

  • @philpernice4722
    @philpernice4722 Год назад +121

    Funny no one complained about the Ferrari square steering wheel

    • @raymonds7492
      @raymonds7492 Год назад +2

      It’s the back of the vette’s steering wheel that’s the problem.

    • @tifthetif6567
      @tifthetif6567 Год назад +1

      Ots not squere

    • @Maelstrom8
      @Maelstrom8 Год назад

      This.

    • @rodmunch69
      @rodmunch69 3 дня назад +1

      But that was done by Ferrari, and everything they do is brilliant!

  • @TheHoosiers2008
    @TheHoosiers2008 Год назад +223

    Using the worst possible specked Z06, convertible, non Z07 package.

    • @ant2011
      @ant2011 Год назад +14

      I'm not even surprised

    • @amarjit_singh_
      @amarjit_singh_ Год назад +23

      It's also being compared to a 12 year old car and another that's 170 odd hp down with a manual gearbox and it's not even the RS variant. So calm down!

    • @TheHoosiers2008
      @TheHoosiers2008 Год назад +40

      @@amarjit_singh_ It’s compared to two cars which are double the cost.

    • @amarjit_singh_
      @amarjit_singh_ Год назад +3

      @@TheHoosiers2008 There's a reason why vette's are priced less. At the same price point tell me how many would choose a vette over the Porsche or Ferrari? Not much and mostly those who are patriotic.

    • @TheHoosiers2008
      @TheHoosiers2008 Год назад +21

      @@amarjit_singh_ If you want a naturally aspirated high revving V8 over a modern hybrid Ferrari v6, absolutely. There’s a reason they used an older Ferrari. True car people know modern Porsches and old Ferraris are great, and Z06 joins those tanks because it now has a high revving mid engine V8. Also, it’s the most powerful production NA v8 ever. Modern Ferrari is dead. Just hybrid computers.

  • @logicn.reasoning9744
    @logicn.reasoning9744 Год назад +362

    Would've loved to see the track test done with the Z07.

    • @crxtodd16
      @crxtodd16 Год назад +48

      Price wise it would line up better, as well.

    • @jesse_iwuji
      @jesse_iwuji Год назад +9

      I've done a few on my channel if you'd like to see

    • @dan3162
      @dan3162 Год назад +74

      It’s typical top gear, can’t have the Porsche lose to a car for half the price with the Z07.

    • @Tential1
      @Tential1 Год назад +3

      ​@@jesse_iwuji RUclips is hard.... Good. Luck my dude.

    • @Tential1
      @Tential1 Год назад +6

      ​@@dan3162 in order to get people to sign off on giving you a car you need to create a test at the manufacturers will all approve. If you give a review or your car to review against manufacturers car and the reviewers says that they manufacturers car is better that just screwed you. And even worse, it might be because of something to do with the reviewer and not you so it's better for you to make sure that there's clear delineation between your product and the competitor's product that way it's more of a product showcase and you don't get screwed in some weird dumb way. Take a test track like vir that car and driver does, the manufacturers have to send people along with the cars to make sure the car performs at its best because they don't want a user watching the review and getting a bad impression. The only way you're going to get unbiased opinions is when actual owners get together.

  • @MrMRGamer1010
    @MrMRGamer1010 Год назад +137

    How in the world did they do this test without the Z07 package. Just ridiculous.

    • @jpslayermayor9293
      @jpslayermayor9293 Год назад +18

      And dont forget hes driving the convertible version, not the lighter hardtop standard model Z06.

    • @Mandolin1944
      @Mandolin1944 Год назад +33

      Of course they did not use one with the Z07 package because they know it will blow the Porsche 911 GT3 out of the water. The comparisons have already been made over here and the Porsche cannot keep up with the Corvette. But then that would wreak their Europe is better theme wouldn't it?

    • @flyjbaker
      @flyjbaker Год назад +1

      It wasn’t a “test”!!!

    • @KyleHansen509
      @KyleHansen509 Год назад

      It's perfect

    • @ToyotaChariots
      @ToyotaChariots Год назад +5

      Not even the Z07 comes close to a manual 992 GT3, let alone the PDK

  • @cbca6567
    @cbca6567 Год назад +52

    as many others have said the z07 would have been a much better comparison with the porsche because it is the hard core variant, and would also show better steering feedback on track due to it being lighter with carbon brakes and wheels, shedding unsprung weight at each corner. You also brought a convertible not the coupe. The C8 Z06 compares very favourably in price to what you get also, especially with that NA engine.

    • @billymays7210
      @billymays7210 Год назад +7

      As many others have not bothered to mention, this is not the track focused GT3, and it has a MANUAL. The GT3 RS with a PDK would be the comparison to a Z07...

    • @amarjit_singh_
      @amarjit_singh_ Год назад

      As many others haven't pointed out, that this isn't a performance comparison video, this video just shows how these cars feel to drive compare to each other, so Z06 with Z07 pack wouldn't have made much difference. Also worth pointing out that this just the GT3 and not the GT3 with MR package.

    • @ljoreilly1068
      @ljoreilly1068 8 месяцев назад

      @@billymays7210 but the gt3 is still more expensive and in the real world that is what makes cars compete with one another not performance numbers

    • @billymays7210
      @billymays7210 8 месяцев назад

      @@ljoreilly1068 prettty sure manual GT3s are not competing with automatic Corvettes in the real world…

    • @AB-80X
      @AB-80X 8 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah, you Corvette guys get your knickers all bunched up so easily.
      Put the Z07 against the GT3RS which is the correct comparison.

  • @dinurafernando1556
    @dinurafernando1556 Год назад +752

    I still remember being about 10 years old and seeing that 458 for the first time on Top Gear in Clarkson’s review, I fell in love completely, and to this day, I still dream of owning one. One of the best-looking, most incredible cars ever produced by mankind.

    • @baramor_2684
      @baramor_2684 Год назад +18

      I’m more of an F430 Scuderia guy

    • @caprise-music6722
      @caprise-music6722 Год назад +8

      @@baramor_2684 good for you

    • @erikig
      @erikig Год назад +5

      That 458 video and Hammond’s Porsche 997 S are the best modern Top Gear videos ever

    • @benfranklin1533
      @benfranklin1533 Год назад +8

      It remains my favorite Clarkson car review. The 458 is a masterpiece.

    • @tomjoyce6365
      @tomjoyce6365 Год назад +7

      It’s like a bear. A burning bear….

  • @gsczr1
    @gsczr1 Год назад +472

    GM today is run by Engineers. For example Mary Barra (CEO) and Mark Reuss ( President) are both engineers and Reuss is huge car enthusiast. GM has some of the best chassis engineers in the business today and the LT6 will go down as one of the greatest engines every to come out of any manufacturer. Bravo to GM for making the Corvette a world class sports car. Cheers!!!

    • @Kevin-hp5fk
      @Kevin-hp5fk Год назад +33

      Hopefully they take that engineering talent and make at least one actually compelling vehicle for the mass market. Right now there's nothing in the GM portfolio that's anywhere near best in class.

    • @DangerAngelous
      @DangerAngelous Год назад +11

      It's a shame Mary wasn't around to stop GM Holden being dumped in the bin, but I appreciate that in the last couple of years they chose one of our utes to be a test mule for the C8

    • @uik99
      @uik99 Год назад +19

      They may have the engineers but it is still GM and they serve the masses not the special class like Porsche or Ferrari. GM quality is atrocious especially for their new price tags

    • @sextonjr8
      @sextonjr8 Год назад +35

      @@Kevin-hp5fk journalist claim that the blackwing might be the best sport sedan in history.

    • @jjchockey
      @jjchockey Год назад +36

      @@Kevin-hp5fk uhhhh did you forget about the CT4V Blackwing? It has one of the best sports sedan chassis ever made. Wayyyyy more fun and engaging to drive than the M3 RS5 or C63. The Giulia QV still gives it a run though.

  • @MrSuperflydude
    @MrSuperflydude Год назад +33

    Why not bring a z07 to this party lmao, and that comment about the gt3 having a boot is kind of a moot point when the c8 has two

    • @yourperropapi
      @yourperropapi Год назад +2

      C8 will get smoked from a GT3RS

    • @wilmara24
      @wilmara24 Год назад +1

      @@yourperropapi depends on which track. I'm willing to bet the corvette is faster when there are more longer straight away tracks like spa. I can't wait to see the video.

    • @amarjit_singh_
      @amarjit_singh_ Год назад +1

      Why not? Because they weren't posting any lap times here, they were just talking about the driving feel, bear in mind that the GT3 is also without the MR kit.

    • @dantethomas7964
      @dantethomas7964 Год назад

      ​@@amarjit_singh_ and its not the Gt3 Rs.

  • @888mf4
    @888mf4 Год назад +22

    The price of the 458 hasn't changed much in the last few years. Shows how much love there is for the V8 Ferrari.

    • @nicks2658
      @nicks2658 4 месяца назад

      not really, break anything and dare have anyone but a Ferrari professional lay hand on it and good luck with the law suit. Remember deadmau5' purrari?

    • @dddd-uk4vn
      @dddd-uk4vn 11 дней назад

      @@nicks2658 he got sued for breaking trademark laws, tough luck

  • @saltyfloridaman7163
    @saltyfloridaman7163 Год назад +115

    Base model Z06 with the heavier convertible roof.... don't expect an accurate representation on performance unless you get a 1LZ Coupe with the Z07 package

    • @Xzibitfreek
      @Xzibitfreek Год назад +3

      but there is no representation of performance. there is no lap times or drag race, its an opinion of one man.
      and all that arguing in the comments about the Z07 package, you realize theres also a porsche 911 gt3 rs, right?

    • @DCGarage
      @DCGarage Год назад +16

      @@Xzibitfreek People keep bringing up the GT3 RS and it’s a pretty ridiculous comparison. The RS is a separate model with a $50k higher MSRP than the GT3. The Z07 is just a $9k track package for the Z06.

    • @amarjit_singh_
      @amarjit_singh_ Год назад +3

      @@Xzibitfreek Don't have to go to the 3RS, get the GT3 with PDK.

    • @amarjit_singh_
      @amarjit_singh_ Год назад

      Lmao you were fine with Hagerty testing the E Ray against the convertible Ferrari and Lamborghini but here you're crying about the vette being the convertible variant even there isn't any performance comparison here! What a hypocrite!

    • @rlsedition
      @rlsedition Год назад

      @@Xzibitfreek The GT3 RS model is way more track-focused than the ZO6 with ZO7, not to mention way more money.

  • @chickensoupfortheloser8515
    @chickensoupfortheloser8515 Год назад +1648

    Ferrari 458 timeless design, Clarkson predicted it would be an all time great and he was right

    • @jameswillard1
      @jameswillard1 Год назад +45

      Clarkson is so damn smart isn’t he?

    • @masoncordell6171
      @masoncordell6171 Год назад +204

      @@jameswillard1 Sometimes his genius is… almost frightening

    • @abymathew295
      @abymathew295 Год назад +18

      It's the last good Ferrari..458 speciale..😍😍😍🥰🥰🥰

    • @chesspiece81
      @chesspiece81 Год назад +28

      My youngest daughter, who just turned 16 last month, saw a few 458 Speciale in Miami at a dealership we stopped at in 2013 when she was 6. She fell in love with them and wants to eventually wants to own one.

    • @jafooli
      @jafooli Год назад +28

      I'm ashamed to say I didn't like it back then compared to the F430. Now I own a 458.

  • @Honks34
    @Honks34 11 месяцев назад +13

    The absurd bias against American cars is why I quit watching Top Gear. Like with the GT3. “Omg look at how much room the front ‘boot’ has!” Then proceeds to show a compartment the size of a literal glove box. The Corvettes trunk is big enough to fit the entire roof in it, plus luggage and it doesn’t even get mentioned.

    • @ammodog89b79
      @ammodog89b79 25 дней назад +2

      I couldn't agree more! No matter what we do, the Europeans will never give credit where credit is do nor will they admit when we ARE superior within the automotive industry. I love LOVE the new corvette, it looks like a legit super car. I also very naively thought that the europeans would finally give it some kudos. It looks every bit of a Ferrari but they still won't give it respect!

    • @uncle_salty_3675
      @uncle_salty_3675 9 дней назад

      top gear has always been eurotrash garbage.

    • @McCrackenJack
      @McCrackenJack 7 дней назад

      You're just mad because Ferrari has ALWAYS BEATEN CORVETTES

    • @Honks34
      @Honks34 7 дней назад

      LMAOOO. No.

    • @uncle_salty_3675
      @uncle_salty_3675 6 дней назад

      @@McCrackenJack in price?

  • @cn27videos18
    @cn27videos18 Год назад +44

    458 is a timeless beauty

  • @wbwayne8887
    @wbwayne8887 Год назад +859

    The 458 Italia imo is the most attractive, best executed Ferrari ever produced. The fact that GM benchmarked it in the engineering development of it's C8 Z06 speaks volumes.

    • @user-360johnn
      @user-360johnn Год назад +14

      Imo the 488 Pista is even better looking

    • @Ven100
      @Ven100 Год назад +31

      @@user-360johnn Nah. The 458 is far better looking than a 488, Pista or otherwise. Check out TheSketchMonkey's comparison of the two because he hits all the nails on the head.

    • @user-360johnn
      @user-360johnn Год назад +35

      @@Ven100 that’s why i said it was my opinion 😂

    • @ko7305
      @ko7305 Год назад

      Warchild, refugee and legal immigrant here. kina virus released to fk up the elections...millions dead, billion+ with heart/organ issues...evil know no bounds, 100% intentionally released...just to get one man out of office, one man they could not buy/control. I have seen what communism will do to stay in or get in power. Anything! Chinese killed 30+ million of their own for power less than a century ago. It was a crazy conspiracy theory that FBI smoked Kennedy and now we know it is true. It was a conspiracy theory that kina virus was manmade but now we know it is true. MSM/Big Tech working overtime to censor/ban. This was intentionally released to fk up US election and for the Chinese to get protesters of Hong Kong streets because if Hong Kong goes so do commies in China. Win-win for commies and US dems.

    • @ISAK.M
      @ISAK.M Год назад +10

      Yes, altho the 458 Speciale is the best looking imo

  • @sp129
    @sp129 Год назад +106

    Although Ollie mentioned it at the end, it's worth reiterating that he's probably comparing the lightest GT3 (manual with ceramic brakes) to the heaviest Z06 (feature rich convertible w/o any weight savings). The difference is ~400 lbs even in the best case scenario, this is quite the opposite.
    What went unmentioned--noted by many in the comments--is the price difference. If GR86/BRZ is making sports car affordable, Z06 is (somewhat) democratizing super-car. $110k is no pocket change but it can get you in a base Z06, which is probably good enough for most. Even a fully loaded one (3LZ, Z07, ceramic brakes, carbon wheels...) costs $157k, ~$15k less than the price of entry for a GT3. And the 458 is... best left undiscussed.
    Z06 needs no qualifier, but the value proposition certainly makes it all the more remarkable.

    • @KUROSHURA
      @KUROSHURA Год назад +1

      Have you seen the prices of the 458? They average at $200k. If I can muster up 150K for a Sportscar, you’d better believe that I’ll spend that money on the 458.

    • @tres311
      @tres311 Год назад +15

      $50k extra +25% on a 15 year old Italian car? I love ferraris and I’m glad they exist, but I ain’t spending 25% more on an old Italian car… Ferrari or Fiat. For the money, living in US it’s no competition which car is best value and it’s the Chevy. We should be proud of the car, it’s the best car Chevy has built in 50 maybe 60 years. If you got the money, spend it at home.

    • @KUROSHURA
      @KUROSHURA Год назад

      @@tres311 That Corvette is UGLY. I can’t do it. I will never do it. I’d rather spend that money on a SRT Viper before I buy that ugly ass Vette.

    • @Zayleonard04
      @Zayleonard04 Год назад

      @@KUROSHURA I haven’t seen any 458 even close to that low the moment you go to there sites from CarGurus the price change is real

    • @sleektruck22
      @sleektruck22 Год назад +2

      ​@@KUROSHURA though the 458 is an excellent car, it would not get my 200k. Too much for that car.

  • @newbiemike
    @newbiemike Год назад +3

    Boy, can you say this was stacked in the GT3's favor? They pick one of the lightest versions of the 911 and put it up against the heaviest version of the Z06. Well, the Z06 convertible is only about 100 lbs. heavier than the coupe. The Z06 should have been spec'd with the Z07 package with the carbon fiber wheels. I wonder how a C6 Z06 would do against the GT3? On paper they are very similar. As much as I like the Corvette, and I really do like the Z06, I would say it probably lacks the refinement that the 458 and GT3 have. Both of the European brands' livelihood depends on each and every model they make. Their focus is on performance with every decision they make. That's not saying that the Corvette isn't a great car because it is. Team Corvette also takes racing very seriously (they've won a lot of races). I just think they have a slightly different approach to performance. It's more brute force where it's more finesse with the Europeans.

  • @dontyouworryaboutit_
    @dontyouworryaboutit_ Год назад +14

    The 458 Speciale is god tier and their crazy appreciation proves that

  • @dslay04
    @dslay04 Год назад +151

    Weird that they're testing with a non-Z07 convertible

    • @deadlybladesmith3093
      @deadlybladesmith3093 Год назад +29

      The Z07 would've lined up better price wise too

    • @travis3810
      @travis3810 Год назад +8

      And didn't even put the roof down

    • @genericallyaccepted
      @genericallyaccepted Год назад +24

      I kinda think its more "suspicious" than weird...

    • @markw9512
      @markw9512 Год назад +8

      Yes, it is. Did Chevy stupidly do this, or did TG stack the deck?

    • @pleasegrowabrain
      @pleasegrowabrain Год назад

      Brits had to find a way to cheat. The Z06 with the Z07 package completely decimates the Volkswagen.

  • @herculesrockefeller8784
    @herculesrockefeller8784 Год назад +320

    There is a old clip of Jermey Clarkson making fun of GM for making everything square. He said something like 'I bet they'd make the steering wheel square if they could'... Guess he was right.

    • @camonly849
      @camonly849 Год назад +6

      Which is funny cause a lot of corvettes aren't square, until the c7 generation.

    • @stanlee7635
      @stanlee7635 Год назад +24

      The wheel is flat on the top so you get a clear view of the gauge cluster. Not sure why this guy is making a big deal out of it since it’s round where you actually put your hands.

    • @firesurfer
      @firesurfer Год назад +7

      @@stanlee7635 It's strictly to swipe at corvette.

    • @tharinduperera8758
      @tharinduperera8758 Год назад +16

      There are lot more supercars with square steering wheels.. including laferrari.. but no body complaint about it.. but when it comes to Corvette it's a different story..

    • @mdec123
      @mdec123 Год назад +5

      I own a c8 and I have no problem with the steering wheel

  • @fabio2634
    @fabio2634 Год назад +17

    I drove the 458 at Imola once and it was just amazing

  • @cornyfriesen7160
    @cornyfriesen7160 Год назад +17

    To be fair when you compare it to a gt3 the price to performance is crazy for thr corvette.

    • @Bridging_the_Political_Divide
      @Bridging_the_Political_Divide Год назад

      True. The GT3 is considered by many the best track car in history. It dominates at Nurburgring, and for the Vette to run with it, is amazing. Honestly, reading between the lines of his comments, bet the Vette would have the better time on the track. Monstrous car for little money.

    • @michaeldebusk6718
      @michaeldebusk6718 Год назад

      Z06 Actual street price may vary 😂😂

    • @amarjit_singh_
      @amarjit_singh_ Год назад +2

      Corvettes are priced less than comparable Porsches for a reason.

    • @Bridging_the_Political_Divide
      @Bridging_the_Political_Divide Год назад

      @@amarjit_singh_. I like Porsches as well. Corvette has ways been attainable by the average guy, which is admirable. I will always salute value. If people like Porsche, Ferrari, or Bugatti, that's cool, but realize these are many, many multiples of a typical Vette. Would I take a 911TT or Ferrari 458 over a Vette, yes I would, but it doesn't minimize what Corvette has accomplished.

    • @amarjit_singh_
      @amarjit_singh_ Год назад

      @@Bridging_the_Political_Divide Not minimizing what the Corvette has accomplished but rather showing its brand value compared to Porsche or Ferrari, the equivalent Porsche or Ferrari would always be expensive.

  • @markdowding7844
    @markdowding7844 Год назад +51

    Why no mention of the price difference

    • @heinedenmark
      @heinedenmark Год назад +1

      🥱

    • @scott8934
      @scott8934 Год назад

      No kidding. With the spare 100k it would be wacko mode 1500HP and a decade newer still.

    • @amarjit_singh_
      @amarjit_singh_ Год назад

      Different brand values. A vette is cheaper for a reason.

    • @rvazzano
      @rvazzano Год назад +2

      Or mention that the 458 was designed in 2011 and is racing a 2023 car?

    • @rodmunch69
      @rodmunch69 3 дня назад

      I've owned two Corvettes, unlike 99.9% of the Corvette fanboys on here and who cares. Everyone knows the Corvette is much much cheaper - it gets old saying it over and over again. Also, with the way the Eurotrash tax things, who even knows if it's all that cheaper. And in any case, this isn't a $50k Corvette, you're well above $100k, and people spending that on a car aren't pinching pennies.

  • @apolloandratti7922
    @apolloandratti7922 Год назад +141

    Don't forget, this is a "convertible" Z06 going up against the best/fastest GT3 ever produced. Not sure why Top Gear with its supreme budget couldn't get their hands on a proper coupe Z06 with the Z07 package for a comparison. Conspiracy thoughts aside--a bit of a disappointment with this foregone opportunity. I'd still take the Porsche due to subjective reasons, but the C8 got me looking back at Corvette again, and this Z06 is a force to be reckoned with.

    • @74SD455TA
      @74SD455TA Год назад

      Just don't look at the backend of that Crovette, really ugly cookie cutter

    • @terryl1061
      @terryl1061 Год назад +21

      That is because Top Gear was about the boys , cars and adventures now they are just banking off the history. The boys were magic together. As the Brits say "this bloke is rubbish"

    • @rafrick
      @rafrick Год назад +5

      ​​@@terryl1061 I'm definitely in the minority but I got so tired of 'old' top gear and I watched it religiously from the start. I couldn't look past the poorly scripted jokes and pranks. It's partly why I found Clarkson's farm so refreshing. It all felt so natural vs the forced hijinks that top gear relied on.

    • @jp23x
      @jp23x Год назад +20

      The gt3rs would like a word

    • @jeff5798
      @jeff5798 Год назад +25

      Completely wrong. The gt3rs is the hardcore track version, the gt3 is the more road going version. Exactly the same as the z06/07

  • @desertflyer200
    @desertflyer200 Год назад +15

    Interesting he didn’t even mention price! All great cars, but the Corvette is absolutely phenomenal when you factor in the price when compared to these two!

    • @amarjit_singh_
      @amarjit_singh_ Год назад +2

      Corvette's are cheaper than Porsche's and Ferrari's for a reason. At the same price point hardly a few would sell.

    • @joel89039
      @joel89039 Год назад +1

      ​@@amarjit_singh_ I agree but it's hard to argue that the Corvette is good for the money being 70k cheaper than a new gt3 and 100k cheaper than a 10 year old used 458. I know what id pick given unlimited money though....

    • @OtterTreySSArmy
      @OtterTreySSArmy 8 месяцев назад

      ​@amarjit_singh_ let's also remember something here, the Corvette is a mass market car. It's meant to be driven by everyday working people. It's not for corporate executives with gobs of money, it's meant to be driven by motoring enthusiasts who are on a budget.
      Yeah it's not going to be the most luxurious, but it's going to be luxurious enough for the average person to think that it is some exotic car.
      And unlike the more expensive foreign cars, it's not going to cost an arm and a leg to maintain it. That's really where the Corvette beats out it's competition. You don't have to take it to some luxury mechanic who has all of the dealer specific tools to work on it. You could work on it yourself if you wanted, plus with it being LS based, any modifications are going to be significantly cheaper due to the wide variety of aftermarket parts available.

    • @achristian7015
      @achristian7015 4 месяца назад

      And the Corvette is the only car of the three that does not have to deal with currency exchange, import duties, shippings. Price a Corvette in Europe.

  • @kingmusa8618
    @kingmusa8618 Год назад +33

    Gt3 is so beautiful Porsche can change so little and still make a huge difference

  • @yourgrandmasalzheimerpills1143
    @yourgrandmasalzheimerpills1143 Год назад +36

    Maybe track the z07 next time to the gt3 since that’s the real comparison?

    • @ronretired282
      @ronretired282 Год назад +3

      If, you get the opportunity take a look at the 2023 Lightning Lap. Both cars were tracked last month.

  • @Luke-cb3ly
    @Luke-cb3ly Год назад +114

    the Ferrari 458 was the best inspiration GM could get to make the Z06. The Z06 has the exotic sound, the track performance and still has all the comfort of a stingray. it's just amazing

    • @dieselscartalk4146
      @dieselscartalk4146 Год назад +5

      And the speed of a GT2 RS

    • @TRX25EX
      @TRX25EX Год назад +6

      ​@@dieselscartalk4146 it got destroyed by Artura and you say speed of GT2RS that's "limited" to 340 lol

    • @rondail5675
      @rondail5675 Год назад +1

      Well said!!

    • @jeff5798
      @jeff5798 Год назад +3

      It’s best time on the Nurburgring was like 7:12 in traffic. Not that impressive when 40% of the gt2rs of 5 years ago’s passenger lap times are sub 7 minutes

    • @user-dq7gy8zn2j
      @user-dq7gy8zn2j Год назад +6

      You know nothing about cars and are talking nonsense because of bias. Don't get me wrong, the Corvette is a phenomenal car however it will never perform like the GT3.

  • @billymays7210
    @billymays7210 Год назад +3

    I LOVE how sooo many people commenting are saying "but, but it's not the Z07 package, not a good comparison" and COMPLETELY ignore the fact that the GT3 is a MANUAL and NOT the RS model, AND that the 458 is NOT the Speciale and it is FOURTEEN years old! 🤣 Why do fanboys have to be so cliche? The Z06 is EXACTLY what it's supposed to be- an amazing sounding, crazy performance value with the looks mostly for people that want to be looked at. The GT3 is exactly what it's supposed to be- an amazing sounding, understated track weapon that feels directly plugged in to your brain mostly for people who care about driving feel (hence the ONLY car here that comes in a manual) The 458 is exactly what it's supposed to be- an amazing sounding, crazy expensive, exclusive mobile piece of art mostly for people that are crazy wealthy and want people to know it. Yes, the better comparison would've been a Z07 vs GT3 RS PDK, and a (still decade older) 458 Speciale. I doubt there is ANYONE cross shopping ANY of these 3 cars, so it's always going to be apples to oranges. BTW, I have a manual 911, my brother has a C8, and my coworker has a 458. I have driven and LOVE them all.

    • @downdemon2378
      @downdemon2378 Год назад

      I mostly agree with you: great cars all around. But the RS is double the Z06 price, and as such, not really in the same ballpark IMO.

    • @billymays7210
      @billymays7210 Год назад

      @@downdemon2378Exactly. Which is why I said apples to oranges and probably no one is cross shopping these.

  • @Stenbox
    @Stenbox Год назад +53

    GT3 costs like double of the Z06, and 458 is about double of GT3 still...in that sense Corvette has created a stunning car even more so. Also love the blue color on this one.

    • @sledder0772
      @sledder0772 Год назад +8

      A 458 is not double a gt3.....

    • @aaravprasad8593
      @aaravprasad8593 Год назад +6

      a gt3 isn’t double a zo6, and a 458 isn’t double a gt3 ??

    • @beacker05
      @beacker05 Год назад +7

      Due to mark up, most will purchase a Z06 for 200k, an averagely optioned 992 gt3 is 225k (used because who can find a new one on the lot) and a 458 Italia is about 200k.

    • @daiviontaylor
      @daiviontaylor Год назад +4

      Lol theses Zo6s are going for $200k with ease

    • @sultanoftippoo3857
      @sultanoftippoo3857 Год назад

      @@beacker05 would be interesting to see in 10 years the residuals on all three. Think there will be one clear winner.

  • @ChrisWalksFast
    @ChrisWalksFast Год назад +51

    It’s crazy how Throttle House is just above and beyond this iteration of Top Gear. Especially when it comes to comparison vids.

    • @ronretired282
      @ronretired282 Год назад +1

      I'm not so sure of that one Chris. Isn't Throttle House the guy's that take NA cars to locations with high elevations and race them against TT vehicles. The outcome is already set in stone

    • @Tattle-by-Tale
      @Tattle-by-Tale Год назад +1

      @@ronretired282 I'm very sure Throttle House is better than modern Top Gear.

    • @RYTF5
      @RYTF5 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@ronretired282that's the Fast Lane not Throttle House. TFL sucks

    • @donvandeno1757
      @donvandeno1757 7 месяцев назад

      Yeah he's not really driving and they are

  • @Emanon1216
    @Emanon1216 Год назад +37

    Nice review! One BIG thing you failed to mention though is you get ALL that performance at almost half the price of the GT3! Come on now! Cheers!

    • @hertzair1186
      @hertzair1186 Год назад +1

      The GT3 is built by Germans, that’s why.

    • @AB-80X
      @AB-80X 8 месяцев назад

      So what is the price of a nicely specced Z06 and a GT3? Half price? In what world?

    • @Emanon1216
      @Emanon1216 8 месяцев назад

      @@AB-80X almost half the price ZO6 with ZO7 pkg $149k; GT3 with similar options $224k 🤷‍♂️

    • @AB-80X
      @AB-80X 8 месяцев назад

      @@Emanon1216
      Rubbish.
      A GT3 specked similar is about 190k at most.
      Most are in the 180-185k range including PCCB’s. And very few spec a Z07 to less than 160-165k. Think before you post

    • @Emanon1216
      @Emanon1216 7 месяцев назад

      @@AB-80X sorry man…just passing along what’s on the Porsche website 🤷‍♂️all I’m saying is both cars are great…a GT3 is an aspirational car for me…if I have the money I would love to have one but a C8 ZO6 is more realistic in my world. Cheers man!

  • @steved2008
    @steved2008 Год назад +16

    Think I’d have the Z06 as it’s a bit more road friendly and would be a bit more unusual on British roads

  • @spdcrzy
    @spdcrzy 11 месяцев назад +4

    You mentioned, but didn't expand on, the reason why the Z06 rides so well compared to the Ferrari or GT3: American highways are concrete. They eat Ferraris and Porsches for lunch and spit them out with flat tires and broke wheels and suspensions. As a result, European sports cars are usually SUPREMELY uncomfortable on road trips. The C8, on the other hand, could easily take "bumpy" B roads and country lanes in Europe when it was tested there because compared to the buttery smooth roads that those cars are usually tested on, it ALSO has to be extremely good at taking broken, ice-shattered pavement that has more potholes and cracks than actual asphalt lol. The most extreme track car GM made before this, the ZL1 1LE, was VERY stiffly damped. The Z06 ironically has to be MORE rounded because its demographic appeal is a lot wider.

    • @AB-80X
      @AB-80X 8 месяцев назад

      As someone who has taken his 458, 488, F8 and Pista on many roadtrips, it is very clear that you don't have the faintest clue.
      Yes US roads are utter crap, but you can't expect the rest of the western world to want cars designed for development countries.
      As for the Z06? Did you see Rob Ferettis video on the wheel issues? Newsflash. Do you think a Z07 with CF wheels or just the low profile fronts of the Z06 will fair any better than those on an F8 for example? Okay. Glad we cleared that up.

  • @estern001
    @estern001 Год назад +33

    Isn't the Z07 the natural competitor to the GT3? And the convertible is doing you no favors. One may think you're handicapping the Corvette.

    • @meanmugginj
      @meanmugginj Год назад +4

      And they dont make convertible GT3s 🤣😂

    • @alandab
      @alandab Год назад +18

      But they DO make non-convertible Z06's. So why handicap the Corvette?

    • @Raven77844
      @Raven77844 Год назад +15

      I was the thinking the exact same. Europeans dont want to give the C8 Z06 a fair shake.

    • @Steven-re3id
      @Steven-re3id Год назад +1

      @@Raven77844 still base z06 vs base GT3 the competition to the z06 z07 package would be the GT3 RS

    • @Raven77844
      @Raven77844 Год назад +5

      @@Steven-re3idi disagree. The Z07 is a package, similar to adding PCCB on the GT3. The GT3 RS is a new trim.

  • @literallyshaking8019
    @literallyshaking8019 Год назад +5

    A Z07 package coupe with carbon wheels/brakes would’ve been a better comparison.

  • @mommaduck79
    @mommaduck79 Год назад +8

    That 992 GT3 front-end really has started to grow on me ngl. Might just be the best car made in the past 5 years.

    • @dennisboross28
      @dennisboross28 Год назад

      100%

    • @jjchockey
      @jjchockey Год назад

      I still hate the hood nostrils. Same thing on the M4 too.

  • @downdemon2378
    @downdemon2378 11 месяцев назад +8

    Congrats to Corvette on their 9th Le Mans class victory.

  • @obsidian....
    @obsidian.... Год назад +58

    The 458 didn't "Bow out gracefully", you're obviously afraid of what Ferrari would do to your ability to get cars from them in the future...

    • @jesse_iwuji
      @jesse_iwuji Год назад +5

      What

    • @damienmcmurray9786
      @damienmcmurray9786 Год назад +1

      Pretty much the real story

    • @damienmcmurray9786
      @damienmcmurray9786 Год назад +15

      @@jesse_iwuji Ferrari doesn’t like it’s cars being tested or modded without their permission or assistance. They ban reviewers if they give bad reviews.

    • @Kevin-hp5fk
      @Kevin-hp5fk Год назад +6

      Or... and heres a wild thought... testing a car over a decade old against brand new vehicles would be completely and utterly irrelevant. And given it's age it's very likely a car that they talked a member of public into letting them use so they likely had restrictions on what they could do with it.

    • @Speednote10
      @Speednote10 Год назад +5

      @@Kevin-hp5fk You better stop that, the youtube comment section isn't meant for people who use logic and common sense.

  • @windsorbailey1839
    @windsorbailey1839 Год назад +15

    The C8 Z06 is a glorious car, but let’s not forget it was the C6 Z06 that first took the fight straight to Porsche’s 911 GT3. The C7 had a wobble in this respect, but I see this as a continuation of a stellar Corvette Z06 lineage. I’m biased owning a C6 Z06, but with a (modified) 650hp naturally aspirated engine, manual transmission and approx. 1350kg kerb weight, I utterly adore it…

    • @Bridging_the_Political_Divide
      @Bridging_the_Political_Divide Год назад +1

      I remember when the C6 Z06 came out and it was indeed the day Corvette joined the big boys. It was "the next step" Corvette needed to take to be mentioned with the best. Agreed.

    • @keonwells934
      @keonwells934 Год назад

      I think the gm got everything right with the c6 zo6. The looks, the performance and the attitude.

  • @moesaurenman4734
    @moesaurenman4734 Год назад +11

    Really need a z07 pack car here, surprised Chevy didn't get you guys one to make the comparison much more interesting.

    • @MrCuriocat
      @MrCuriocat Год назад +1

      OK, but then we would need a 458 Speciali and 911 GT3 RS :)

    • @kevin-qc7zv
      @kevin-qc7zv Год назад +1

      ​@MrCuriocat also look at pricing, is it really worth paying more than double the price of chevy? All around chevy is the winner

    • @MrCuriocat
      @MrCuriocat Год назад +1

      @kevin if money was no object then very few car enthusiasts (aside from flag waving Americans) would pick a Corvette over a Ferrari or Porsche. By Chevy's own admission, they're trying to emulate Ferrari and Porsche for less money. If you had the money though...why settle for a knock-off when you could have the real deal. It's got nothing to do with stats either. Even if the Corvette was quicker around a track very few car enthusiasts would pick it if they had the money to buy a Ferrari. You're paying for the experience, the history, the pedigree, etc. My $20 Casio watch from Walmart is "better" than a $5,000 Rolex in terms of accuracy. But it's not a Rolex. That's not to say the Corvette is bad. It's ridiculously good. It will just never be a Ferrari. Sorry.

    • @kevin-qc7zv
      @kevin-qc7zv Год назад

      @MrCuriocat the corvette isn't a knock off Ferrari. Yes the corvette was inspired by the Ferrari but that doesn't mean it's a knock off. If money wasn't an object I'd still go with the Z06.

    • @moesaurenman4734
      @moesaurenman4734 Год назад +2

      @@MrCuriocat lol I can't say I fully disagree with this sentiment, my argument would be; price point aside I'd tend to lean towards the GT3 with big wing and all being track focused which in turn lines up better with the Z07 pack car (and if it was full blown track time comparison the GT3 would have to be PDK). Where the base z06 isn't "as" track focused and would line up better against the GT3 Touring. Id prob argue if you wanted to bring in the heavy hitters ie 458 especiale and GT3RS, the vette to compare there would be the ZR1. All good fun though.

  • @allwheeldrive
    @allwheeldrive Год назад +2

    Mega points missed by this tiringly hand-waving "review": Not taking into account either car's market value at the moment, the Z06 is less than 2/3rds the cost of the GT3 ($105 vs $170), and that's not including how much more quickly the options add up on the GT3. And while they both have space for stuff, there are two actual trunks in the Z06, the ride is better and - even with all that tech and engineering - it can be serviced at about any of the 2900 Chevy dealers in the US. And, regarding that undeniable masterpiece the 458 is, you'll need as much as $280K for one, not to mention a whack of cash in your account for those jaw-dropping regular maintenance items. And that engine was also devised those several years ago under regulations that are quite different than they are today, which makes the GT3's and Z06's engines that much more incredible (and they will both NO DOUBT last longer!). They are all stupendous, but two of them would not only require much more from their owners, but they would easily not be able to drive them nearly as often. And next time, get someone else to assess cars of this type.

  • @IndependenceCityMotoring
    @IndependenceCityMotoring Год назад +3

    The presenter is a bit ignorant. Performance-wise, the Corvette Z variants have been right up there with the "more expensive" exotics and in the upper echelons of performance for several generations now. See: C4 ZR1, C5 Z06, C6 Z06, C6 ZR1, etc. etc. Go check out the lap times of these cars compared to Ferraris of the same era.
    eg. The C5 Z06 Corvette had one of the fastest Nürburgring times and lap times of any production car at the time. "When the C5 Corvette Z06 clocked its 7:56 time, it was a pretty big deal. GM claimed it was the first production car to break past the eight-minute mark."

  • @sgtgrash
    @sgtgrash Год назад +5

    Before I watch this, here are my reasons for not wanting either the Ferrari or Porsche:
    1: '911' - I do occasionally like to turn right out of T junctions (UK based)
    2: '458' - The knob jokes would become tiresome after a while.
    Conclusion: I guess I'm a Corvette guy, God darn it! 😉

  • @peterADL
    @peterADL Год назад +20

    Taking Z06 alongside 458 and 992 GT3 was fantastic idea. Nice video to watch.

    • @danrook5757
      @danrook5757 Год назад

      U gotta track it with a clock, otherwise it’s just a video

    • @amarjit_singh_
      @amarjit_singh_ Год назад

      @@danrook5757 Most likely they didn't track it because this wasn't exactly an apples to apples comparison, variant wise. Z06 is a convertible and not the coupé, it's just a guess from my side.

  • @johnsalley1081
    @johnsalley1081 Год назад +2

    Now the one thing that wasn't mentioned: in America, the Corvette is FAR less expensive.
    Factor that into the equation.

  • @olinwread137
    @olinwread137 Год назад +5

    Top Gear without Clarkson is like tomato sauce without Tomatoes 😢

    • @ashs1670
      @ashs1670 Год назад

      This guy is good too, not the same humour but commentary is solid and not boring

  • @DavidMiller-yc5ol
    @DavidMiller-yc5ol Год назад +3

    So you took the least sport oriented ZO6 available (convertible) with the least sport oriented available wheels, the least sport oriented available tires, the least sport oriented available brakes, the least sport oriented available seats, the least sport oriented available aero and try to present it as a fair fight. 🤔

  • @Beer_Dad1975
    @Beer_Dad1975 Год назад +4

    No mention of pricing at all? The Porsche starts at over $170,000, and will likely set you back over $200,000 by the time you've optioned it. The Z06 is some $70,000 cheaper, not taking into account dealer markups. Also the Z06 is attainable for the regular bloke, as long as you have the means and you don't mind waiting for one, whereas you can't get a GT3 unless you are offered one by Porsche. Is the Porsche actually $70,000 better? No, it's not - you are paying that because it is ultra exclusive. On the other hand, the GT3 is probably a better investment long term, if that's what you are after in a sports car.

    • @TheRtpbuc
      @TheRtpbuc 8 месяцев назад

      This Corvette configuration is two steps down from the Porsche. It's not an equivalent model comparison and it certainly seems deliberate. That tells us many interesting things....

  • @philsalley3278
    @philsalley3278 Год назад +6

    Jeremy prefers the more hard core GT3, says the Z06 was 10 mph faster in the straights but never says which car was faster. I'm guessing it was the Z06 and in Z07 form will even faster yet than the GT3.

    • @Bridging_the_Political_Divide
      @Bridging_the_Political_Divide Год назад +3

      I think the Z06 was faster too. There is a great head to head of the 2008ish ZR1 against a 911TT and a Ferrari something called "Monsters Brawl" and the Vette destroyed the others, even if the British race driver wouldn't admit it, was way faster around the track. Think the same was true here too.

  • @encoreartz1028
    @encoreartz1028 Год назад +18

    458 will always gonna be most pure form of a v8 Ferrari.

    • @cookedit
      @cookedit Год назад +4

      Also Ferrari's last n/a V8 car and Pininfarina's last mid-engine design for them. Such a legendary, historic combination.

  • @SaketBakshi
    @SaketBakshi Год назад +34

    Love how the 458 is still highly regarded in present day supercar comparisons. Just shows how wonderfully it was made at a time that now feels long ago.

    • @Hennesseyautoreviews
      @Hennesseyautoreviews Год назад

      Fr

    • @jafooli
      @jafooli Год назад +1

      Shows there's a sweet spot when it comes to road cars. Bigger isn't always better.

    • @thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921
      @thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 Год назад

      It overheats on track. It is something missing from about every review. It also has a 14 over 1 compression ratio that needs high octane to properly operate. The brakes give out from heat, and it rides stiff on ANY road surface.

    • @ronretired282
      @ronretired282 Год назад

      @@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 Let me go out on a limb. Fanboy.

    • @thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921
      @thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 Год назад

      @@ronretired282 Goes much further, and could have been any company that built sports cars that are simply more car for less money. Honda never delivered on that promise of better than at a AFFORDABLE PRICE SUPER CAR. GM has done it, and i dont want a Huayra or a Ferrari period even if i had that type of money. British people frown upon upstaging the super wealthy, but GM has done exactly that and beat the Europeans and Japanese at their own game of road going race cars of high quality FOR FAR LESS money.

  • @88laserbeam
    @88laserbeam Год назад +6

    Team corvette are always competitive when it comes to racing. Imsa, lemans etc.

  • @MMAmachinhead92
    @MMAmachinhead92 Год назад +5

    And the Corvette C8 Z06 GT3.R will be leaving both brands behind at Le Mans.

  • @camonly849
    @camonly849 Год назад +6

    Oh another thing that kills me is when he said the 458 is just as quick as the vette.....sorry it's not....but oh well.

    • @markw9512
      @markw9512 Год назад +2

      CarWow posted a 458 Spaziale vs a base C8 convertible and it barely beat the C8 to the 1/4 mile.

  • @petemcfeet28
    @petemcfeet28 Год назад +5

    No mention of the Corvette being half the price?

  • @blaketindle4703
    @blaketindle4703 Год назад +4

    “Turbos are for people who don’t know how to build engines.”

  • @ronsuper100
    @ronsuper100 Год назад +5

    Why test the convertible and not coupe Z07?

  • @backnu
    @backnu Год назад +13

    You could tell he was going to hate the Corvette in the 1st 60 seconds of the video. And I was right.

    • @camonly849
      @camonly849 Год назад +5

      So many brits just talk trash....oh let's complain about the steering wheel lol....I think it looks awesome.
      I bet if they races on a track that z06 would beat that manual gt3.

    • @N0neofyourbusiness.
      @N0neofyourbusiness. Год назад +1

      Actually the c8 z06 already smoked the NEW 992 gt3 on multiple tracks so far. MMC and lighting lap VIR. And completely blew the doors off the gt3 from dig in a quarter mile. I love the square steering wheel on my c8. Best interior I’ve seen so far on a 2 door performance car yet

    • @camonly849
      @camonly849 Год назад

      @va1131 ya I know it has, but that was the z07 package, I was referring to the spec in this video.

    • @backnu
      @backnu Год назад +1

      @@camonly849 you could tell this guy does not like American cars and could never be non-biased. It would be like having a life long iphone user comparing and Android. No matter how good the phone is, they will always have an issue.

    • @backnu
      @backnu Год назад

      @@camonly849 I agree. He was going to hate the car regardless. It would never be good enough unless it was built in Europe.
      It's like a life long iphone fan trying to do a review on an Android. They will always be bias because it's not Apple. It doesn't matter how good it is. It will never be the same.

  • @jojog8304
    @jojog8304 Год назад +6

    Notice how y’all mentioned several times it is a *good* car. Just admit it TG, it’s a *GREAT* car. We already know the 458 is hands down a legend. And as racer image the gt3 is, there’s no way you are dailying a gt3 (too stiff). The Vette is more for those desert runs and likely gets the faster lap time: it does both. And that not with the z07 package.

    • @raingriffith3040
      @raingriffith3040 Год назад

      No shot you think the z06 with a low wing and under channeling is faster then a gt3 with millions put into just the spliter on the track... the zo6 with the zo7 package has less down force then the 911 turbo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @raingriffith3040
      @raingriffith3040 Год назад

      Come on use common sense. A highway sure, a track with 2 turns sure, road america absolutely not. The nurburgring fuck no. The z06 will not get sub 7

  • @ThingsandStuffchannel
    @ThingsandStuffchannel Год назад +1

    Never thought I'd see the day when Top Gear films something on a track and roads I've actually driven on near where I live. Definitely some hidden gems in Arizona!

  • @jonathanross2304
    @jonathanross2304 Год назад +1

    I drove a 458 on track in Las Vegas over a decade ago. It happened to be one of the rainiest days of the year so before jumping in the Ferrari, I lapped an all wheel drive Audi R8 v10 and a Nissan GT-R. The real wheel drive 458 absolutely ripped. It felt faster (it was by just over a second) and more confident (it was, by over a mile).
    If I ever buy a Ferrari it may very well be a 458

  • @michaelgiandonato3313
    @michaelgiandonato3313 Год назад +21

    It would be so cool to see a 4-5 lap shoot out at road America. Epic track where cars need to reflect there power and braking ability as well as stability.
    Zo6 zo7 package tho
    Vs
    Gt3

    • @matthew3136
      @matthew3136 Год назад +11

      Check out the Car&Driver lightning lap. 458 in 2103 did the VIR in 2:49.9. 2023 Z06 shaved off 10 seconds. 2:38.6. Just wow.

    • @thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921
      @thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 Год назад +14

      Z06 with the Z07 package destroyed both the GT3 and Lamborghini STO in car and drivers lightning lap by a substantial margin. It is also faster than a McLaren 720s on track, and a hair slower than a 765LT. Both American magazines Car and Driver and Road and Track have posted real lap times with seasoned drivers. A base C8 Stingray is faster than a Base 458 on track as well.

    • @jesse_iwuji
      @jesse_iwuji Год назад +2

      Maybe I should bring mine up to road America

    • @cmg11235
      @cmg11235 Год назад +2

      @@matthew3136 beating a 13 year old Ferrari is not a big deal. Bring the 488 pista or the gt2 rs - the results would be more telling.

    • @Luke-cb3ly
      @Luke-cb3ly Год назад +10

      @@cmg11235 400k+ vs 160k..... Lmfao

  • @c141charlie
    @c141charlie Год назад +17

    I have about 300 miles behind the wheel of a 458. It was way more car than I could handle. Truly a wild horse.

    • @KhanJoltrane
      @KhanJoltrane Год назад

      What are you driving?

    • @c141charlie
      @c141charlie Год назад

      @@KhanJoltrane Golf R.

    • @yourperropapi
      @yourperropapi Год назад +1

      That's good another hundred miles and it will be in the mechanic shop lol

  • @theelmagoo
    @theelmagoo Год назад +13

    I think the standard Z06 should be compared to a GT3 Touring, and the Z06 w/Z07 pack would be compared to a GT3 / GT3 RS. I'm guessing this is what you had on hand to test with :)

  • @uraniumcranium
    @uraniumcranium Год назад +1

    The Corvette also has copious amounts of storage space in its "frunk" and rear; you might have mentioned that.

  • @mizz079
    @mizz079 Год назад +4

    So why didn't you guys get the z06 track version

  • @FunkingPrink
    @FunkingPrink Год назад +3

    It's strange seeing him complain about the height of the driving position in the Corvette as he doesn't look to be any higher than the other two, guess it just feels higher somehow... Also, probably an unpopular opinion but I don't find the 458 to be particularly good-looking at all, although I'm not a fan of the looks of a lot of Ferraris that many seem to like the looks of.

  • @ericquinn8578
    @ericquinn8578 Год назад +4

    That 911 interior is beautiful. So clean, purposeful and elegant. That’s one of the best looking steering wheels I’ve ever seen. That shifter is lovely too, the vents, the switches, every little detail is perfect; no unnecessary or frivolous shapes anywhere. The designers weren’t getting caught up with “styling” or trying too hard.. just form following function in the best way. Thank you, Porsche, for having your priorities straight and showing the industry how it’s done. A beacon of sound design philosophy in an often cringe world.

    • @downdemon2378
      @downdemon2378 Год назад

      ...and $100k more.

    • @qirx5904
      @qirx5904 Год назад +4

      ​@@downdemon2378 Yeah, i mean when you buying a porsche you know its gone be reliable and and not be built bad like the corvette...

    • @jordanplays-transitandgame1690
      @jordanplays-transitandgame1690 9 месяцев назад

      Goofy ahh Porshit fan Corvette all day 💪🏻🇺🇲

    • @achristian7015
      @achristian7015 4 месяца назад

      ​@@downdemon2378So, or are you short on cash. And that stupid square steering wheel probably meant for square heads.

    • @achristian7015
      @achristian7015 4 месяца назад

      And isn't in incredible that a GT3 RS with 152 less HP and less torque than the C8 Z06 is just as fast on the track. There is real engineering and GM engineering.

  • @danzal8733
    @danzal8733 Год назад +2

    You forgot "a little" detail: you can buy TWO Z06 and a Camaro for the price of one GT3

  • @UPRISING144K
    @UPRISING144K Год назад +12

    All that track time and he never shared the lap times? I would have liked to see all 3 cars lap times

    • @74SD455TA
      @74SD455TA Год назад +1

      With that I would have included the 458 Italia Speciale

    • @JBsC6
      @JBsC6 Год назад

      Buy the magazine to find the lap times?

    • @kleinbottled79
      @kleinbottled79 Год назад +5

      When they took away the Ferrari, I thought for sure it was because they were about to have an actual shootout. Sadly disappointed by the thunderous lack of lap times. GM built this car to take on the world and they deserve the glory if it is due, or alternatively, to be put in their place. What an anti-climax.

    • @JBsC6
      @JBsC6 Год назад +10

      @@kleinbottled79 he said the z06 was 10 mph faster down the straight that’s why the laps weren’t timed. The z06 blew the gt3 away and that went against the theme of the story paid for by ….

  • @John_Hoover
    @John_Hoover Год назад +12

    Convenient that the 458 gets to “bow out gracefully”…

    • @jesse_iwuji
      @jesse_iwuji Год назад +1

      lol I know right

    • @winkstorm
      @winkstorm 10 дней назад

      In other words, it will lose so spare the embarrassment.

  • @EndUserTube
    @EndUserTube Год назад +1

    Cool that you caught what appears to be a Dassault Mirage F1M landing at the 16:30 mark.

  • @ericgalen
    @ericgalen 10 месяцев назад +2

    As a C8 Z06 owner, I disagree that the seat in the Z06 is high - it's definitely not, it's just where it should be, and it's very comfortable. I'm 6'1" and 220 lbs, and I did 500 miles from Alabama to Florida my first day in the Z06 with comfort. it has impressed the sh*t out of me in every way. The sound and engine are incredible, it's practical, it has great tech, and feels like a proper supercar. It's a modern 458.

    • @AB-80X
      @AB-80X 8 месяцев назад

      It is high and the seat in general DOES fell as if it was made for fat people.

    • @tw5139
      @tw5139 7 месяцев назад

      What an incredible insult to say the "Red neck race car" is modern version of any Ferrari.

  • @glamdring0007
    @glamdring0007 Год назад +3

    Never really been a Chevy fan but I have to say that ZO6 in that blue is a wonderful car to look at and the engine...oh my the engine.

    • @felixsantiago5606
      @felixsantiago5606 9 месяцев назад

      Yep. That blue was and still used by porsche since the late 70's and yesss the engine, a ferrari engine. Chevrolet couldn't build his own and decided to reverse engineer a ferrari engine to learn how to build a bigger one for the corvette. No creativity or real heart on that car, everything is a copy of European engineering.
      I have no respect for that. It took ferrari 70 years of racing and research and development to reach this level of performance and technology so Chevrolet can steal it . Insane

  • @tarabusaw4627
    @tarabusaw4627 Год назад +8

    Ferrari 458 all day everyday!

  • @jeffsbenningtonelkhornvall2207
    @jeffsbenningtonelkhornvall2207 Год назад +2

    What everyone seems to forget is how much less expensive the Corvette is than its competition. A further testament to what Chevy has done with the Z06. Now, what European sports car can be compared with the base C8 at $65k?? The 'vette is a car any hard working man can afford.

  • @howabouthetruth2157
    @howabouthetruth2157 Год назад +1

    I don't care what anyone says, for an all-around daily driver PLUS hotrod/racer/track car, I will take a naturally aspirated V8 over forced induction any day of the week. First off, ya don't have the over-heating problems when racing, like ya do with forced induction engines. Secondly, because of that, a NA engine gives you much more consistent performance, it doesn't "fade away" over the course of a racing event. Lastly: A well built naturally aspirated V8 with it's pure, unadulterated exhaust note, sounds FAR better than the whine of a super charger and/or the hiss & spit of a turbo. It also takes far more knowledge, skill, and talent to build a powerful naturally aspirated engine, because you can slap a turbo on just about anything & make it go faster. I say the engineers at Chevy definitely knew what the hell they were doing when they chose to go with a naturally aspirated engine for the new Z06.

  • @jkeithv65
    @jkeithv65 Год назад +3

    Interesting he doesn't say anything negative about the 458 steering wheel. It's basically hexagonal, not round. As much as he gripes about the C8s wheel, which also is basically hexagonal, NOT square (maybe these people need to go back to geometry class), though it does have a flatter top and bottom, but is still essentially the same shape.

    • @AB-80X
      @AB-80X 8 месяцев назад

      Have you driven a 458? It is round and while being a tad on the thick side, it is very comfortable and well designed.

  • @casey2732
    @casey2732 Год назад +21

    I was privileged to drive 458 and it is simply EPIC car!!! Awesome review, thanks guys.

    • @ronretired282
      @ronretired282 Год назад

      I agree. Nice car to drive on a beautiful Sunday afternoon with the significant other.

    • @yourperropapi
      @yourperropapi Год назад

      Did it break down in the middle of your experience lol

  • @smartass6071
    @smartass6071 Год назад +2

    You failed to mention price. The Z06 is priced so that more people can afford it.

    • @j7b890
      @j7b890 Год назад

      only in usa and canada....everywhere esle not at all. As a matter of fact in europe the z06 will cost like a Tributo or a turbo s.

    • @ronretired282
      @ronretired282 Год назад

      @@j7b890 It is only an extra $40K in taxes in Europe. VAT tax is a killer.

    • @j7b890
      @j7b890 Год назад

      @@ronretired282 yes but thats a lot of money if you consider that possibly some car dealers will ad (like in the usa) their own share on top... We are getting to 200k plus it will have the same problems selling that the standard c8 had in Europe. In 10 months or so that the c8 is on sale I have seen 2 on the streets literally and the prices are actually dropping because they are standing in the showroom for months. Also consider that much like in usa Ferrari McL etc are exotic the same are Corvettes in europe which means mechanics will ask way more to work on them than in the usa, ask much more for spare parts, and not last europe penalises heavily cars which are not very c02 efficient. Where I live for example importing used c8 will cost me more than importing a used 911.... because of the c8's poor c02 efficiency.

  • @jamessutherland5107
    @jamessutherland5107 Год назад

    If I remember correctly, they were the 2 cars the engineers targeted their performance envelope from

  • @notyourrealfather
    @notyourrealfather Год назад +7

    The GT350 had the Voodoo V8 which was flat plane and high revving, which also came out later than 2009 or whenever you said the Ferrari came out. 2016, I think was the year. Also, I think the "my first supercar" statement is cute considering everyone loves outlandish styling, all the way back to the Countach, but it's an American car, so let's say it isn't refined 🙄. If any Italian company made a car that looked excessive like that it'd probably be called welcome fun...

    • @IcelanderUSer
      @IcelanderUSer 4 месяца назад

      I don’t like the looks of the c8 at all. Way too much going on. Hate the rear too with those plastic vents, I assume. Never seen one in real life. Even after 5 years now.

  • @Melmin
    @Melmin Год назад +15

    Solid video. I'm a pure blooded american but I still love that gt3 more than the z06 (amazing as it is). Glad to see you giving the vette a fair shake

    • @thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921
      @thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 Год назад +3

      Not me anymore. GM gives you far more car for the money. The 992 GT3RS reviews are in, and it isn't road worthy anymore and rides like a brutal race car on the street.

    • @eats4cheaps305
      @eats4cheaps305 Год назад +1

      Everyone says that until they actually ride inside the gt3. Most people say it's impossible as a road car because of how uncomfortable the suspension and seats are and they'd rather drive a Honda civic on the road.

    • @thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921
      @thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 Год назад

      @@eats4cheaps305 Dont ever forget the ZL11LE Camaro that GM warned people about because it was nothing but brick stiff on the street. The people still bought it and complained. I simply dont want a real race car that has suspension stiff enough to bounce me around on the road.

  • @horhe3283
    @horhe3283 Год назад +2

    14:23 bro is literally SPITTIN the facts 💀

  • @davidnicholson6680
    @davidnicholson6680 Год назад +1

    Two fairly major nits to pick. First this is a non-Z07 convertible Z06, undeniably the heaviest and least dynamically capable Z06 (relatively speaking of course). Meanwhile, you've selected the lightest and most hardcore GT3. So you've hobbled the Z06 and then complain about its weight and say you prefer the GT3 on track. Not exactly fair but maybe it's what was available... Secondly, the 458 was ridiculously expensive (and remains so today), and is relatively fragile, far more expensive to maintain and far less practical day to day (zero storage) compared to the Z06. The Z06 is appealing to a different market. None of that was mentioned (or mentioned extremely briefly in passing) and these are not minor points. Also, a base GT3 is far more expensive than a loaded Z06 (setting aside dealer markups, which exist on both cars).

    • @billymays7210
      @billymays7210 Год назад

      Allow me to do the same. You are correct about the Z07 coupe being the better comparison... But not to a MANUAL GT3! It is NOT even close to the most hardcore GT3. A GT3 RS with a PDK is. And there is going to be a bigger difference in an RS with PDK than a Z07... And the 458 was a bad comparison because it's too EXPENSIVE? Not the fact that it is 14 years older than the Z06?! lol

  • @bgj2940
    @bgj2940 Год назад +14

    Well that's disappointing. Should have taken the 458 to the track.
    Also come-on! You brought the convertible instead of the Z07 SMH . Top gear is such a joke

    • @air-headedaviator1805
      @air-headedaviator1805 Год назад +2

      Ferrari may make great cars, but they don’t trust having their product scrutinized. Their PR refuses to let cars be tracked, tested, measured, or otherwise. Chris Harris himself was blacklisted simply for accurately reviewing one

    • @mattblock6616
      @mattblock6616 Год назад +2

      Top gear has been doing this for a while, especially with Clarkson and co. Anything to crap on American cars to make Europeans look good

    • @titfortat5727
      @titfortat5727 Год назад

      ​​@@mattblock6616 it's what Americans as always do on European products.. Eye for an eye

    • @mattblock6616
      @mattblock6616 Год назад +1

      @@titfortat5727 no they don't

    • @titfortat5727
      @titfortat5727 Год назад

      @@mattblock6616 yes they do!! America first!

  • @patrickdali9124
    @patrickdali9124 Год назад +4

    So you compare a Z06 convertible to the hardcore GT3? When the Z07 package is still 100k cheaper? Really didn’t want to show up porche huh. GT3 great car , Z06 once in a lifetime!

    • @amarjit_singh_
      @amarjit_singh_ Год назад

      Hardcore GT3? This just the base GT3 like the Z06, there's a MR kit like the Z07 package and then there's the hardcore GT3 RS. Price wise, Corvette's are cheaper for a reason.

    • @patrickdali9124
      @patrickdali9124 Год назад

      @@amarjit_singh_
      You don’t compare a convertible to a coupe.

    • @amarjit_singh_
      @amarjit_singh_ Год назад

      @@patrickdali9124 They are only comparing how the cars drive, they aren't saying anything about lap times and they didn't post any as well. So what you're whining about is irrelevant. Get over it, Ferrari already did it with the 458 and that's 13 years ago, so once in a lifetime is just exaggerating like little fangirls do!

  • @randalluthe4792
    @randalluthe4792 Год назад +2

    I too wondered why not use the Z07 package, but he does address that at the end, as well as the weight of the convertible. All-in-all he was very fair with the corvette; enough so that he correctly says this is the Vette that will be remembered long after the designers have moved on.

  • @Sean-gq6vj
    @Sean-gq6vj Год назад +3

    When will someone finally mention that Ferrari and others copied GMs use of magnetic shocks?

  • @shoobidyboop8634
    @shoobidyboop8634 Год назад +8

    "The 458 gets to bow out gracefully" means the woosy owner wouldn't give permission.

    • @deathcab4booty
      @deathcab4booty Год назад +3

      It's on dealer plates. If you have a car for sale, you're not gonna lend it to a magazine to send it on a track before it goes back into your showroom

    • @shoobidyboop8634
      @shoobidyboop8634 Год назад

      @@deathcab4booty Good catch, I didn't notice that.

    • @6SpeedTA95
      @6SpeedTA95 Год назад +2

      probably Ferrari...they could pull TG's ability to get access to newer cars if they didn't like the outcome...so better for it to simply not compete.

    • @wilmara24
      @wilmara24 Год назад +1

      I mean if you plan on keeping that car forever I wouldn't want somebody beating on it on track (that isn't me)

  • @HEYBONJUGO
    @HEYBONJUGO Год назад +8

    As an owner of a Porsche, I have to go with the Porsche GT3, now and forever.

  • @Posting-Maharashtra
    @Posting-Maharashtra Год назад +2

    The Chevrolet Corvette is the most dominant endurance racer over the last 25 years, and Chevrolet is the oldest racing brand, that has consistently raced over its entire history. You can tell by the way each Chevrolet balances horspower and torque compared to other brands.
    Horsepower sells, torque wins races

  • @Yotraj
    @Yotraj Год назад +3

    and... how many Ferraris can I buy for the price of that 1 single Corvette? Oh wait... it has to be the other way around, doesn't it?

  • @einautofan6685
    @einautofan6685 Год назад +13

    Corvette C8 Z06!
    What a great car!😍😎👌

  • @mogulme6190
    @mogulme6190 Год назад +17

    I’m just glad to see a z06 comparison with cars thats priced similarly

    • @thomasgrabkowski8283
      @thomasgrabkowski8283 Год назад +1

      As well as it having the nost powerful naturally aspirated 8 cyclinder engine being compared to car with most powerful naturally aspirated 6 cylinder engine

    • @sonik954
      @sonik954 Год назад +2

      After insane dealer mark ups, yeah.

    • @jensgronning4436
      @jensgronning4436 Год назад +14

      They’re not priced similarly. The zo6 starts at 105 thousand dollars. Much cheaper than a gt3. Just because people are paying 100k over sticker doesn’t change the fact the msrp is half a gt3

    • @Forever.Remain.Nameless
      @Forever.Remain.Nameless Год назад +7

      Z06 msrp starts at $106k, where does tht Porsche msrp start?

    • @alandab
      @alandab Год назад

      IKR?

  • @derekb5749
    @derekb5749 Год назад +2

    I don't understand the issue with the square wheel. You hold it a the same curved spot...F1 wheels are square.

  • @davepaturno4290
    @davepaturno4290 Год назад +1

    Sadly, the quality/reliability engineers at GM are busy focusing on EVs, so don't expect to have spare electronic assemblies (specific to this Z06) available after 5 years. I've seen this scenario play out, all too often.