2023 Corvette Z06 vs Ferrari 458 vs Porsche GT3 | Top Gear
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- The ‘Z06’. If the Corvette is America’s Porsche 911, this is its GT3. And in American sports car folklore there is no bigger deal. But for Chevy’s latest it’s bucked the trend; no electric assistance, no hybrid help, and no turbos either. It’s got an entirely new engine, the LT6 - a 5.5-litre dry sump, flat-plane crank V8 taken from the C8R GTLM race car. Good for 670bhp and 459lb ft, it sees off 0-60mph in 2.7secs. It also sounds more Italian than American, like the great engine from a Ferrari 458. So we thought we’d bring one of those along. And Porsche’s GT3, because we’re thorough. But could this be America’s best sports car ever? Top Gear Magazine’s Ollie Marriage hit the road and track to find out.
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"Time for the 458 to bow out gracefully". Translation, the owner wouldn't let us take to the track😂
I thought the same thing, however, I sure wouldn't either if it were mine.
Translation, Ferrari wouldn't let it be used in any comparison. Even the owners get in trouble lol
@@DearMajesty z06 would make it look bad
@@dbx_1 Especially a z07 package equipped z06.
I don’t care how good the new “Corvette” is in comparison to some icons as far as handling, numbers, etc. I’ve never been a huge fan of Corvettes, as they’ve always seemed to be owned by and deliberately designed to satiate the guys who NEEDED more attention, meanwhile most of America looks and yawns at Corvettes. Excepting of course the 1965-1967 Big block version. Sexy no matter how you slice it, yet understated and masculine, the one where “taste” was still thrown around during the design process. Beige and after it has always seemed to be in the same level of crassness that the word vulgar meant at the same time. Yes, I could call the 1st gen Corvettes vulgar, when viewed from the time when Lucy and Desi couldn’t even be DEPICTED as sharing a bed on TV even though they portrayed a married couple. Bonkers. What next, a blow job in the Oval Office? If that happens we will have overstayed our welcome as leaders of the free world. What? Seriously? No way in hell. Total bullshit, never happened. Is is what is is definition is what is is? Great. But the new one even went into the last stall at the last dive at the last hour to dig out the last whore passed out but verbally requesting intimacy. It has a REAR ENGINE! It’s NOT a real Corvette. Call it whatever. What next, a scaled up version of what RC cars have been doing for years, give it a LiPo battery for juice and a ridiculously over powered motor to blast it into hyper speed, even ludicrous speed? That too huh? This car represents corporate America’s desperate and misguided assertion of the answer no one asked. What will it take to beat the iconic super cars of the modern era? Who asked them that? Crickets. Yeah, and while you’re at it, aim for the sky, the future, the ragged edge, a flat plane crank, make it look like a JCWhitney “Ferrari”, and from the rear give it a sad kick in the ass where the impact shape sticks. And make claims of firsts ten years after the icons of ten years ago mastered long before. Set the benchmark by someone ELSE’S accomplishments. Claim relevance by the numbers achieved. Sit quietly on your velour throne, with three round taillights, to really bring tradition and progression into full circle, like round twilights. Oh. Damn. So sad. In the mid 1960’s, do you think Chevy really gave a shit about the numbers produced by Ferrari or Maserati or Porsche? Do you think they cared about where the engine was? They made the Corvair for goodness sake, been there, done that, overachieved, and never got the credit deserved. They took the once piddly toy meant to keep deep pockets stateside, and threw that for,HOA out with the shitty kitty litter and made a monster at odds with their own corporate rules. That was a sports car, and a monstrous one at that, with the Cobra and Miura the only things to compete yet a fraction of their cost, and surely more reliable than either. The 458 was love at first sight back then, along with the 308, and besides those modern Ferraris, I’ve thought they were designed with the vulgarity of Countach as the baseline. Enzo, Testarossa, F40, like top notch combovers on older men that actually got what they want, yet still desperate. Porsche. Eh. Never gave a crap except for the 928, muscular and sexy, and of course the Panamera has been a running joke for more than a decade, until……….the Tourismo version. I always need resuscitation after seeing one of those. Painfully beautiful. But I have a thing for wagons, so there. What the hell do I know? Too much, apparently.
Ferrari 458 timeless design, Clarkson predicted it would be an all time great and he was right
Clarkson is so damn smart isn’t he?
@@jameswillard1 Sometimes his genius is… almost frightening
It's the last good Ferrari..458 speciale..😍😍😍🥰🥰🥰
My youngest daughter, who just turned 16 last month, saw a few 458 Speciale in Miami at a dealership we stopped at in 2013 when she was 6. She fell in love with them and wants to eventually wants to own one.
I'm ashamed to say I didn't like it back then compared to the F430. Now I own a 458.
The absurd bias against American cars is why I quit watching Top Gear. Like with the GT3. “Omg look at how much room the front ‘boot’ has!” Then proceeds to show a compartment the size of a literal glove box. The Corvettes trunk is big enough to fit the entire roof in it, plus luggage and it doesn’t even get mentioned.
I couldn't agree more! No matter what we do, the Europeans will never give credit where credit is do nor will they admit when we ARE superior within the automotive industry. I love LOVE the new corvette, it looks like a legit super car. I also very naively thought that the europeans would finally give it some kudos. It looks every bit of a Ferrari but they still won't give it respect!
top gear has always been eurotrash garbage.
You're just mad because Ferrari has ALWAYS BEATEN CORVETTES
LMAOOO. No.
@@McCrackenJack in price?
The 458 Italia imo is the most attractive, best executed Ferrari ever produced. The fact that GM benchmarked it in the engineering development of it's C8 Z06 speaks volumes.
Imo the 488 Pista is even better looking
@@360johnn Nah. The 458 is far better looking than a 488, Pista or otherwise. Check out TheSketchMonkey's comparison of the two because he hits all the nails on the head.
@@Ven100 that’s why i said it was my opinion 😂
Warchild, refugee and legal immigrant here. kina virus released to fk up the elections...millions dead, billion+ with heart/organ issues...evil know no bounds, 100% intentionally released...just to get one man out of office, one man they could not buy/control. I have seen what communism will do to stay in or get in power. Anything! Chinese killed 30+ million of their own for power less than a century ago. It was a crazy conspiracy theory that FBI smoked Kennedy and now we know it is true. It was a conspiracy theory that kina virus was manmade but now we know it is true. MSM/Big Tech working overtime to censor/ban. This was intentionally released to fk up US election and for the Chinese to get protesters of Hong Kong streets because if Hong Kong goes so do commies in China. Win-win for commies and US dems.
Yes, altho the 458 Speciale is the best looking imo
Using the worst possible specked Z06, convertible, non Z07 package.
I'm not even surprised
It's also being compared to a 12 year old car and another that's 170 odd hp down with a manual gearbox and it's not even the RS variant. So calm down!
@@amarjit_singh_ It’s compared to two cars which are double the cost.
@@TheHoosiers2008 There's a reason why vette's are priced less. At the same price point tell me how many would choose a vette over the Porsche or Ferrari? Not much and mostly those who are patriotic.
@@amarjit_singh_ If you want a naturally aspirated high revving V8 over a modern hybrid Ferrari v6, absolutely. There’s a reason they used an older Ferrari. True car people know modern Porsches and old Ferraris are great, and Z06 joins those tanks because it now has a high revving mid engine V8. Also, it’s the most powerful production NA v8 ever. Modern Ferrari is dead. Just hybrid computers.
I still remember being about 10 years old and seeing that 458 for the first time on Top Gear in Clarkson’s review, I fell in love completely, and to this day, I still dream of owning one. One of the best-looking, most incredible cars ever produced by mankind.
I’m more of an F430 Scuderia guy
@@baramor_2684 good for you
That 458 video and Hammond’s Porsche 997 S are the best modern Top Gear videos ever
It remains my favorite Clarkson car review. The 458 is a masterpiece.
It’s like a bear. A burning bear….
Yea it seems a bit unfair that not only was this not the Track focused version (Z07), but this was also the convertible chassis. Not very accurate comparison to the track monster GT3.
That is their segment, so it seems fair to me. GT3 RS is the down force purer track car.
So it’s more unfair than comparing a 2022 GT3 to a refurbished 20 year old Ferrari.
The comparison is fine man
I don't see how that's unfair when most of the test was done on the road.
@@zsohaihfaosav No it's not, the standard Z06 competes more with the 911 classic sport or 911 GT3 Touring. The z06 z07 competes with the GT3 and the ZR1 competes with the top of the 9/11 stack (Turbo/S and GT 3RS). I'm expecting the ZR1 to beat or tie the 911 Turbo, with the Zora probably beating the Turbo S. 850bhp in the ZR1 and close to or over 1000 in the Zora, the Zora will be chomping at the heals of top tier hypercars with 1000bhp and somehow under 250k (before options). The Zora's powertrain will be comparable to a McLaren P1, Laferrari, Porsche 918, etc. with a modern infotainment system. Wild stuff coming out of the USA, FINALLY! The USA also holds the Guinness book of world record top speed for a stock road legal car.
Funny no one complained about the Ferrari square steering wheel
It’s the back of the vette’s steering wheel that’s the problem.
Ots not squere
This.
But that was done by Ferrari, and everything they do is brilliant!
The 458 doesn't have a square steering wheel, that's why no one complained.
GM today is run by Engineers. For example Mary Barra (CEO) and Mark Reuss ( President) are both engineers and Reuss is huge car enthusiast. GM has some of the best chassis engineers in the business today and the LT6 will go down as one of the greatest engines every to come out of any manufacturer. Bravo to GM for making the Corvette a world class sports car. Cheers!!!
Hopefully they take that engineering talent and make at least one actually compelling vehicle for the mass market. Right now there's nothing in the GM portfolio that's anywhere near best in class.
It's a shame Mary wasn't around to stop GM Holden being dumped in the bin, but I appreciate that in the last couple of years they chose one of our utes to be a test mule for the C8
They may have the engineers but it is still GM and they serve the masses not the special class like Porsche or Ferrari. GM quality is atrocious especially for their new price tags
@@Kevin-hp5fk journalist claim that the blackwing might be the best sport sedan in history.
@@Kevin-hp5fk uhhhh did you forget about the CT4V Blackwing? It has one of the best sports sedan chassis ever made. Wayyyyy more fun and engaging to drive than the M3 RS5 or C63. The Giulia QV still gives it a run though.
Base model Z06 with the heavier convertible roof.... don't expect an accurate representation on performance unless you get a 1LZ Coupe with the Z07 package
but there is no representation of performance. there is no lap times or drag race, its an opinion of one man.
and all that arguing in the comments about the Z07 package, you realize theres also a porsche 911 gt3 rs, right?
@@Xzibitfreek People keep bringing up the GT3 RS and it’s a pretty ridiculous comparison. The RS is a separate model with a $50k higher MSRP than the GT3. The Z07 is just a $9k track package for the Z06.
@@Xzibitfreek Don't have to go to the 3RS, get the GT3 with PDK.
Lmao you were fine with Hagerty testing the E Ray against the convertible Ferrari and Lamborghini but here you're crying about the vette being the convertible variant even there isn't any performance comparison here! What a hypocrite!
@@Xzibitfreek The GT3 RS model is way more track-focused than the ZO6 with ZO7, not to mention way more money.
Would've loved to see the track test done with the Z07.
Price wise it would line up better, as well.
I've done a few on my channel if you'd like to see
It’s typical top gear, can’t have the Porsche lose to a car for half the price with the Z07.
@@jesse_iwuji RUclips is hard.... Good. Luck my dude.
@@dan3162 in order to get people to sign off on giving you a car you need to create a test at the manufacturers will all approve. If you give a review or your car to review against manufacturers car and the reviewers says that they manufacturers car is better that just screwed you. And even worse, it might be because of something to do with the reviewer and not you so it's better for you to make sure that there's clear delineation between your product and the competitor's product that way it's more of a product showcase and you don't get screwed in some weird dumb way. Take a test track like vir that car and driver does, the manufacturers have to send people along with the cars to make sure the car performs at its best because they don't want a user watching the review and getting a bad impression. The only way you're going to get unbiased opinions is when actual owners get together.
Why no mention of the price difference
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No kidding. With the spare 100k it would be wacko mode 1500HP and a decade newer still.
Different brand values. A vette is cheaper for a reason.
Or mention that the 458 was designed in 2011 and is racing a 2023 car?
I've owned two Corvettes, unlike 99.9% of the Corvette fanboys on here and who cares. Everyone knows the Corvette is much much cheaper - it gets old saying it over and over again. Also, with the way the Eurotrash tax things, who even knows if it's all that cheaper. And in any case, this isn't a $50k Corvette, you're well above $100k, and people spending that on a car aren't pinching pennies.
as many others have said the z07 would have been a much better comparison with the porsche because it is the hard core variant, and would also show better steering feedback on track due to it being lighter with carbon brakes and wheels, shedding unsprung weight at each corner. You also brought a convertible not the coupe. The C8 Z06 compares very favourably in price to what you get also, especially with that NA engine.
As many others have not bothered to mention, this is not the track focused GT3, and it has a MANUAL. The GT3 RS with a PDK would be the comparison to a Z07...
As many others haven't pointed out, that this isn't a performance comparison video, this video just shows how these cars feel to drive compare to each other, so Z06 with Z07 pack wouldn't have made much difference. Also worth pointing out that this just the GT3 and not the GT3 with MR package.
@@billymays7210 but the gt3 is still more expensive and in the real world that is what makes cars compete with one another not performance numbers
@@ljoreilly1068 prettty sure manual GT3s are not competing with automatic Corvettes in the real world…
Yeah, you Corvette guys get your knickers all bunched up so easily.
Put the Z07 against the GT3RS which is the correct comparison.
There is a old clip of Jermey Clarkson making fun of GM for making everything square. He said something like 'I bet they'd make the steering wheel square if they could'... Guess he was right.
Which is funny cause a lot of corvettes aren't square, until the c7 generation.
The wheel is flat on the top so you get a clear view of the gauge cluster. Not sure why this guy is making a big deal out of it since it’s round where you actually put your hands.
@@stanlee7635 It's strictly to swipe at corvette.
There are lot more supercars with square steering wheels.. including laferrari.. but no body complaint about it.. but when it comes to Corvette it's a different story..
I own a c8 and I have no problem with the steering wheel
Although Ollie mentioned it at the end, it's worth reiterating that he's probably comparing the lightest GT3 (manual with ceramic brakes) to the heaviest Z06 (feature rich convertible w/o any weight savings). The difference is ~400 lbs even in the best case scenario, this is quite the opposite.
What went unmentioned--noted by many in the comments--is the price difference. If GR86/BRZ is making sports car affordable, Z06 is (somewhat) democratizing super-car. $110k is no pocket change but it can get you in a base Z06, which is probably good enough for most. Even a fully loaded one (3LZ, Z07, ceramic brakes, carbon wheels...) costs $157k, ~$15k less than the price of entry for a GT3. And the 458 is... best left undiscussed.
Z06 needs no qualifier, but the value proposition certainly makes it all the more remarkable.
Have you seen the prices of the 458? They average at $200k. If I can muster up 150K for a Sportscar, you’d better believe that I’ll spend that money on the 458.
$50k extra +25% on a 15 year old Italian car? I love ferraris and I’m glad they exist, but I ain’t spending 25% more on an old Italian car… Ferrari or Fiat. For the money, living in US it’s no competition which car is best value and it’s the Chevy. We should be proud of the car, it’s the best car Chevy has built in 50 maybe 60 years. If you got the money, spend it at home.
@@tres311 That Corvette is UGLY. I can’t do it. I will never do it. I’d rather spend that money on a SRT Viper before I buy that ugly ass Vette.
@@KUROSHURA I haven’t seen any 458 even close to that low the moment you go to there sites from CarGurus the price change is real
@@KUROSHURA though the 458 is an excellent car, it would not get my 200k. Too much for that car.
The 458 Speciale is god tier and their crazy appreciation proves that
Weird that they're testing with a non-Z07 convertible
The Z07 would've lined up better price wise too
And didn't even put the roof down
I kinda think its more "suspicious" than weird...
Yes, it is. Did Chevy stupidly do this, or did TG stack the deck?
Brits had to find a way to cheat. The Z06 with the Z07 package completely decimates the Volkswagen.
How in the world did they do this test without the Z07 package. Just ridiculous.
And dont forget hes driving the convertible version, not the lighter hardtop standard model Z06.
Of course they did not use one with the Z07 package because they know it will blow the Porsche 911 GT3 out of the water. The comparisons have already been made over here and the Porsche cannot keep up with the Corvette. But then that would wreak their Europe is better theme wouldn't it?
It wasn’t a “test”!!!
It's perfect
Not even the Z07 comes close to a manual 992 GT3, let alone the PDK
Don't forget, this is a "convertible" Z06 going up against the best/fastest GT3 ever produced. Not sure why Top Gear with its supreme budget couldn't get their hands on a proper coupe Z06 with the Z07 package for a comparison. Conspiracy thoughts aside--a bit of a disappointment with this foregone opportunity. I'd still take the Porsche due to subjective reasons, but the C8 got me looking back at Corvette again, and this Z06 is a force to be reckoned with.
Just don't look at the backend of that Crovette, really ugly cookie cutter
That is because Top Gear was about the boys , cars and adventures now they are just banking off the history. The boys were magic together. As the Brits say "this bloke is rubbish"
@@terryl1061 I'm definitely in the minority but I got so tired of 'old' top gear and I watched it religiously from the start. I couldn't look past the poorly scripted jokes and pranks. It's partly why I found Clarkson's farm so refreshing. It all felt so natural vs the forced hijinks that top gear relied on.
The gt3rs would like a word
Completely wrong. The gt3rs is the hardcore track version, the gt3 is the more road going version. Exactly the same as the z06/07
Top Gear without Clarkson is like tomato sauce without Tomatoes 😢
This guy is good too, not the same humour but commentary is solid and not boring
the Ferrari 458 was the best inspiration GM could get to make the Z06. The Z06 has the exotic sound, the track performance and still has all the comfort of a stingray. it's just amazing
And the speed of a GT2 RS
@@dieselscartalk4146 it got destroyed by Artura and you say speed of GT2RS that's "limited" to 340 lol
Well said!!
It’s best time on the Nurburgring was like 7:12 in traffic. Not that impressive when 40% of the gt2rs of 5 years ago’s passenger lap times are sub 7 minutes
You know nothing about cars and are talking nonsense because of bias. Don't get me wrong, the Corvette is a phenomenal car however it will never perform like the GT3.
It’s crazy how Throttle House is just above and beyond this iteration of Top Gear. Especially when it comes to comparison vids.
I'm not so sure of that one Chris. Isn't Throttle House the guy's that take NA cars to locations with high elevations and race them against TT vehicles. The outcome is already set in stone
@@ronretired282 I'm very sure Throttle House is better than modern Top Gear.
@@ronretired282that's the Fast Lane not Throttle House. TFL sucks
Yeah he's not really driving and they are
To be fair when you compare it to a gt3 the price to performance is crazy for thr corvette.
True. The GT3 is considered by many the best track car in history. It dominates at Nurburgring, and for the Vette to run with it, is amazing. Honestly, reading between the lines of his comments, bet the Vette would have the better time on the track. Monstrous car for little money.
Z06 Actual street price may vary 😂😂
Corvettes are priced less than comparable Porsches for a reason.
@@amarjit_singh_. I like Porsches as well. Corvette has ways been attainable by the average guy, which is admirable. I will always salute value. If people like Porsche, Ferrari, or Bugatti, that's cool, but realize these are many, many multiples of a typical Vette. Would I take a 911TT or Ferrari 458 over a Vette, yes I would, but it doesn't minimize what Corvette has accomplished.
@@Bridging_the_Political_Divide Not minimizing what the Corvette has accomplished but rather showing its brand value compared to Porsche or Ferrari, the equivalent Porsche or Ferrari would always be expensive.
Isn't the Z07 the natural competitor to the GT3? And the convertible is doing you no favors. One may think you're handicapping the Corvette.
And they dont make convertible GT3s 🤣😂
But they DO make non-convertible Z06's. So why handicap the Corvette?
I was the thinking the exact same. Europeans dont want to give the C8 Z06 a fair shake.
@@Raven77844 still base z06 vs base GT3 the competition to the z06 z07 package would be the GT3 RS
@@Stevensalcidoi disagree. The Z07 is a package, similar to adding PCCB on the GT3. The GT3 RS is a new trim.
Before I watch this, here are my reasons for not wanting either the Ferrari or Porsche:
1: '911' - I do occasionally like to turn right out of T junctions (UK based)
2: '458' - The knob jokes would become tiresome after a while.
Conclusion: I guess I'm a Corvette guy, God darn it! 😉
Sorry Top Gear. Y’all lost me when you said you wouldn’t be taking the 458 to the track and were going to decide between the GT3 and Z06 on a track… without the Z07 package. I mean, I know you drive what you are given and where you are told you are allowed to drive. But you are Top Gear, either wait for the right combo, or pay for it.
I would have watched to the end if this was the 458, GT3, and Z07 all at the track back-to-back.
The Z06 has already posted faster times
In car & Driver , road & track , don't for
A second believe they didn't request
This inferior spec corvette over Z07
Boy, can you say this was stacked in the GT3's favor? They pick one of the lightest versions of the 911 and put it up against the heaviest version of the Z06. Well, the Z06 convertible is only about 100 lbs. heavier than the coupe. The Z06 should have been spec'd with the Z07 package with the carbon fiber wheels. I wonder how a C6 Z06 would do against the GT3? On paper they are very similar. As much as I like the Corvette, and I really do like the Z06, I would say it probably lacks the refinement that the 458 and GT3 have. Both of the European brands' livelihood depends on each and every model they make. Their focus is on performance with every decision they make. That's not saying that the Corvette isn't a great car because it is. Team Corvette also takes racing very seriously (they've won a lot of races). I just think they have a slightly different approach to performance. It's more brute force where it's more finesse with the Europeans.
You bashed too many minimal features. Sorry. I had to quit watching. 👍
All that track time and he never shared the lap times? I would have liked to see all 3 cars lap times
With that I would have included the 458 Italia Speciale
Buy the magazine to find the lap times?
When they took away the Ferrari, I thought for sure it was because they were about to have an actual shootout. Sadly disappointed by the thunderous lack of lap times. GM built this car to take on the world and they deserve the glory if it is due, or alternatively, to be put in their place. What an anti-climax.
@@kleinbottled79 he said the z06 was 10 mph faster down the straight that’s why the laps weren’t timed. The z06 blew the gt3 away and that went against the theme of the story paid for by ….
Think I’d have the Z06 as it’s a bit more road friendly and would be a bit more unusual on British roads
Nice review! One BIG thing you failed to mention though is you get ALL that performance at almost half the price of the GT3! Come on now! Cheers!
The GT3 is built by Germans, that’s why.
So what is the price of a nicely specced Z06 and a GT3? Half price? In what world?
@@AB-80X almost half the price ZO6 with ZO7 pkg $149k; GT3 with similar options $224k 🤷♂️
@@Emanon1216
Rubbish.
A GT3 specked similar is about 190k at most.
Most are in the 180-185k range including PCCB’s. And very few spec a Z07 to less than 160-165k. Think before you post
@@AB-80X sorry man…just passing along what’s on the Porsche website 🤷♂️all I’m saying is both cars are great…a GT3 is an aspirational car for me…if I have the money I would love to have one but a C8 ZO6 is more realistic in my world. Cheers man!
I LOVE how sooo many people commenting are saying "but, but it's not the Z07 package, not a good comparison" and COMPLETELY ignore the fact that the GT3 is a MANUAL and NOT the RS model, AND that the 458 is NOT the Speciale and it is FOURTEEN years old! 🤣 Why do fanboys have to be so cliche? The Z06 is EXACTLY what it's supposed to be- an amazing sounding, crazy performance value with the looks mostly for people that want to be looked at. The GT3 is exactly what it's supposed to be- an amazing sounding, understated track weapon that feels directly plugged in to your brain mostly for people who care about driving feel (hence the ONLY car here that comes in a manual) The 458 is exactly what it's supposed to be- an amazing sounding, crazy expensive, exclusive mobile piece of art mostly for people that are crazy wealthy and want people to know it. Yes, the better comparison would've been a Z07 vs GT3 RS PDK, and a (still decade older) 458 Speciale. I doubt there is ANYONE cross shopping ANY of these 3 cars, so it's always going to be apples to oranges. BTW, I have a manual 911, my brother has a C8, and my coworker has a 458. I have driven and LOVE them all.
I mostly agree with you: great cars all around. But the RS is double the Z06 price, and as such, not really in the same ballpark IMO.
@@downdemon2378Exactly. Which is why I said apples to oranges and probably no one is cross shopping these.
I agree with you on the manual 911. One of the best clutches I’ve driven.
A Z07 package coupe with carbon wheels/brakes would’ve been a better comparison.
Gt3 is so beautiful Porsche can change so little and still make a huge difference
Comparing a CONVERTIBLE corvette with a non convertible porsche. What a joke. Is this a prosche commercial? Lol
No mention of pricing at all? The Porsche starts at over $170,000, and will likely set you back over $200,000 by the time you've optioned it. The Z06 is some $70,000 cheaper, not taking into account dealer markups. Also the Z06 is attainable for the regular bloke, as long as you have the means and you don't mind waiting for one, whereas you can't get a GT3 unless you are offered one by Porsche. Is the Porsche actually $70,000 better? No, it's not - you are paying that because it is ultra exclusive. On the other hand, the GT3 is probably a better investment long term, if that's what you are after in a sports car.
This Corvette configuration is two steps down from the Porsche. It's not an equivalent model comparison and it certainly seems deliberate. That tells us many interesting things....
I don't care what anyone says, for an all-around daily driver PLUS hotrod/racer/track car, I will take a naturally aspirated V8 over forced induction any day of the week. First off, ya don't have the over-heating problems when racing, like ya do with forced induction engines. Secondly, because of that, a NA engine gives you much more consistent performance, it doesn't "fade away" over the course of a racing event. Lastly: A well built naturally aspirated V8 with it's pure, unadulterated exhaust note, sounds FAR better than the whine of a super charger and/or the hiss & spit of a turbo. It also takes far more knowledge, skill, and talent to build a powerful naturally aspirated engine, because you can slap a turbo on just about anything & make it go faster. I say the engineers at Chevy definitely knew what the hell they were doing when they chose to go with a naturally aspirated engine for the new Z06.
Jeremy prefers the more hard core GT3, says the Z06 was 10 mph faster in the straights but never says which car was faster. I'm guessing it was the Z06 and in Z07 form will even faster yet than the GT3.
I think the Z06 was faster too. There is a great head to head of the 2008ish ZR1 against a 911TT and a Ferrari something called "Monsters Brawl" and the Vette destroyed the others, even if the British race driver wouldn't admit it, was way faster around the track. Think the same was true here too.
The C8 Z06 is a glorious car, but let’s not forget it was the C6 Z06 that first took the fight straight to Porsche’s 911 GT3. The C7 had a wobble in this respect, but I see this as a continuation of a stellar Corvette Z06 lineage. I’m biased owning a C6 Z06, but with a (modified) 650hp naturally aspirated engine, manual transmission and approx. 1350kg kerb weight, I utterly adore it…
I remember when the C6 Z06 came out and it was indeed the day Corvette joined the big boys. It was "the next step" Corvette needed to take to be mentioned with the best. Agreed.
I think the gm got everything right with the c6 zo6. The looks, the performance and the attitude.
The Aston Martin Valkyrie steering wheel is the same shape, are you going to call that stupid as well?
European ppl sure do love to point out what they dont like about American cars.
Really need a z07 pack car here, surprised Chevy didn't get you guys one to make the comparison much more interesting.
OK, but then we would need a 458 Speciali and 911 GT3 RS :)
@MrCuriocat also look at pricing, is it really worth paying more than double the price of chevy? All around chevy is the winner
@kevin if money was no object then very few car enthusiasts (aside from flag waving Americans) would pick a Corvette over a Ferrari or Porsche. By Chevy's own admission, they're trying to emulate Ferrari and Porsche for less money. If you had the money though...why settle for a knock-off when you could have the real deal. It's got nothing to do with stats either. Even if the Corvette was quicker around a track very few car enthusiasts would pick it if they had the money to buy a Ferrari. You're paying for the experience, the history, the pedigree, etc. My $20 Casio watch from Walmart is "better" than a $5,000 Rolex in terms of accuracy. But it's not a Rolex. That's not to say the Corvette is bad. It's ridiculously good. It will just never be a Ferrari. Sorry.
@MrCuriocat the corvette isn't a knock off Ferrari. Yes the corvette was inspired by the Ferrari but that doesn't mean it's a knock off. If money wasn't an object I'd still go with the Z06.
@@MrCuriocat lol I can't say I fully disagree with this sentiment, my argument would be; price point aside I'd tend to lean towards the GT3 with big wing and all being track focused which in turn lines up better with the Z07 pack car (and if it was full blown track time comparison the GT3 would have to be PDK). Where the base z06 isn't "as" track focused and would line up better against the GT3 Touring. Id prob argue if you wanted to bring in the heavy hitters ie 458 especiale and GT3RS, the vette to compare there would be the ZR1. All good fun though.
458 will always gonna be most pure form of a v8 Ferrari.
Also Ferrari's last n/a V8 car and Pininfarina's last mid-engine design for them. Such a legendary, historic combination.
Two fairly major nits to pick. First this is a non-Z07 convertible Z06, undeniably the heaviest and least dynamically capable Z06 (relatively speaking of course). Meanwhile, you've selected the lightest and most hardcore GT3. So you've hobbled the Z06 and then complain about its weight and say you prefer the GT3 on track. Not exactly fair but maybe it's what was available... Secondly, the 458 was ridiculously expensive (and remains so today), and is relatively fragile, far more expensive to maintain and far less practical day to day (zero storage) compared to the Z06. The Z06 is appealing to a different market. None of that was mentioned (or mentioned extremely briefly in passing) and these are not minor points. Also, a base GT3 is far more expensive than a loaded Z06 (setting aside dealer markups, which exist on both cars).
Allow me to do the same. You are correct about the Z07 coupe being the better comparison... But not to a MANUAL GT3! It is NOT even close to the most hardcore GT3. A GT3 RS with a PDK is. And there is going to be a bigger difference in an RS with PDK than a Z07... And the 458 was a bad comparison because it's too EXPENSIVE? Not the fact that it is 14 years older than the Z06?! lol
When will someone finally mention that Ferrari and others copied GMs use of magnetic shocks?
Because it wasn't a GM product, it was a Delphi product.
Now the one thing that wasn't mentioned: in America, the Corvette is FAR less expensive.
Factor that into the equation.
Why test the convertible and not coupe Z07?
That 911 interior is beautiful. So clean, purposeful and elegant. That’s one of the best looking steering wheels I’ve ever seen. That shifter is lovely too, the vents, the switches, every little detail is perfect; no unnecessary or frivolous shapes anywhere. The designers weren’t getting caught up with “styling” or trying too hard.. just form following function in the best way. Thank you, Porsche, for having your priorities straight and showing the industry how it’s done. A beacon of sound design philosophy in an often cringe world.
...and $100k more.
@@downdemon2378 Yeah, i mean when you buying a porsche you know its gone be reliable and and not be built bad like the corvette...
Goofy ahh Porshit fan Corvette all day 💪🏻🇺🇲
@@downdemon2378So, or are you short on cash. And that stupid square steering wheel probably meant for square heads.
And isn't in incredible that a GT3 RS with 152 less HP and less torque than the C8 Z06 is just as fast on the track. There is real engineering and GM engineering.
Wait - the 458 is 14 years old?!?! Wow!
He conveniently omitted the Porsche price is ~100K more than the true champion, the Vette....
Congrats to Corvette on their 9th Le Mans class victory.
I have about 300 miles behind the wheel of a 458. It was way more car than I could handle. Truly a wild horse.
What are you driving?
@@KhanJoltrane Golf R.
That's good another hundred miles and it will be in the mechanic shop lol
19:17- Why does Ollie want to drop the Vette's seat any lower? Pause it at 19:17, and you just see a small head peering out, just above the dashboard!
No mention of the Corvette being half the price?
You could tell he was going to hate the Corvette in the 1st 60 seconds of the video. And I was right.
So many brits just talk trash....oh let's complain about the steering wheel lol....I think it looks awesome.
I bet if they races on a track that z06 would beat that manual gt3.
Actually the c8 z06 already smoked the NEW 992 gt3 on multiple tracks so far. MMC and lighting lap VIR. And completely blew the doors off the gt3 from dig in a quarter mile. I love the square steering wheel on my c8. Best interior I’ve seen so far on a 2 door performance car yet
@va1131 ya I know it has, but that was the z07 package, I was referring to the spec in this video.
@@camonly849 you could tell this guy does not like American cars and could never be non-biased. It would be like having a life long iphone user comparing and Android. No matter how good the phone is, they will always have an issue.
@@camonly849 I agree. He was going to hate the car regardless. It would never be good enough unless it was built in Europe.
It's like a life long iphone fan trying to do a review on an Android. They will always be bias because it's not Apple. It doesn't matter how good it is. It will never be the same.
I drove a 458 on track in Las Vegas over a decade ago. It happened to be one of the rainiest days of the year so before jumping in the Ferrari, I lapped an all wheel drive Audi R8 v10 and a Nissan GT-R. The real wheel drive 458 absolutely ripped. It felt faster (it was by just over a second) and more confident (it was, by over a mile).
If I ever buy a Ferrari it may very well be a 458
You mentioned, but didn't expand on, the reason why the Z06 rides so well compared to the Ferrari or GT3: American highways are concrete. They eat Ferraris and Porsches for lunch and spit them out with flat tires and broke wheels and suspensions. As a result, European sports cars are usually SUPREMELY uncomfortable on road trips. The C8, on the other hand, could easily take "bumpy" B roads and country lanes in Europe when it was tested there because compared to the buttery smooth roads that those cars are usually tested on, it ALSO has to be extremely good at taking broken, ice-shattered pavement that has more potholes and cracks than actual asphalt lol. The most extreme track car GM made before this, the ZL1 1LE, was VERY stiffly damped. The Z06 ironically has to be MORE rounded because its demographic appeal is a lot wider.
As someone who has taken his 458, 488, F8 and Pista on many roadtrips, it is very clear that you don't have the faintest clue.
Yes US roads are utter crap, but you can't expect the rest of the western world to want cars designed for development countries.
As for the Z06? Did you see Rob Ferettis video on the wheel issues? Newsflash. Do you think a Z07 with CF wheels or just the low profile fronts of the Z06 will fair any better than those on an F8 for example? Okay. Glad we cleared that up.
@@AB-80Xthe richest country by far in the world a "development country" 😂😂😂 He's right. The 458 and Gt3 beat you up even on smooth pavement. Pavement conditions do vary across the US as they do across Europe with the US having extremely vast geological and demographic changes across the country. Some states have perfect roads, some states are brutalized by winter and the sheer volume of traffic when it comes to projects. Nice dig, but Corvette have made a car that is both faster, better handling, and better damping than even a Vantage or DB. (And I love Aston) Only the 720s and Bentley can really match Corvettes ride quality. Throw in a 5.5L 8600rpm thriller and you have a total package.
@@John.Christopher
Wrong. I haves owned or own the following. 991.1 GT3. 991.2 GR3RS. 981 GT4. 718 GT4RS. 992 GT3T. I live in Northern Europe where we have smooth roads. There’s only one of those cars that is harsh on smooth roads, and it’s the GT3RS. I used to own a 458. Quite soft by comparison. Now own both a 488 and F8. Extremely comfortable cars. Can drive for 9+ hours per day on road trips. I have daily driven all the mentioned cars. The only one I did not like was the GT3RS. But still put 18k on it in less than 24 months.
Convenient that the 458 gets to “bow out gracefully”…
lol I know right
In other words, it will lose so spare the embarrassment.
The bias toward the GT3 is crazy 💀
Oh another thing that kills me is when he said the 458 is just as quick as the vette.....sorry it's not....but oh well.
CarWow posted a 458 Spaziale vs a base C8 convertible and it barely beat the C8 to the 1/4 mile.
Taking Z06 alongside 458 and 992 GT3 was fantastic idea. Nice video to watch.
U gotta track it with a clock, otherwise it’s just a video
@@danrook5757 Most likely they didn't track it because this wasn't exactly an apples to apples comparison, variant wise. Z06 is a convertible and not the coupé, it's just a guess from my side.
As a C8 Z06 owner, I disagree that the seat in the Z06 is high - it's definitely not, it's just where it should be, and it's very comfortable. I'm 6'1" and 220 lbs, and I did 500 miles from Alabama to Florida my first day in the Z06 with comfort. it has impressed the sh*t out of me in every way. The sound and engine are incredible, it's practical, it has great tech, and feels like a proper supercar. It's a modern 458.
It is high and the seat in general DOES fell as if it was made for fat people.
What an incredible insult to say the "Red neck race car" is modern version of any Ferrari.
What a Joke, you bring a GT3 to the track and a non Z07 Convertible to the track. Lets see a Apple's to Apple's track battle.
“Turbos are for people who don’t know how to build engines.”
The ZO7 is faster than the GT3, STO, and 720S and has better ride quality and more storage and costs significantly less.
Funny how he says he let the ferrari "bow out", but he has probably most definitely been told he can't race it on a track.
He can. The 458 is not in production anymore and frankly there is no point since the 458 is already 13 years old. It’s definitely gonna lose
@@tommywang8229 you don't know unless you try. And to have that much time showcasing it in the video, they should have put it on the track also.
its 3 generations old....imagine the 296gtb compared to a c6 z06....nobody mentally capable would make such a comparison
Well that's disappointing. Should have taken the 458 to the track.
Also come-on! You brought the convertible instead of the Z07 SMH . Top gear is such a joke
Ferrari may make great cars, but they don’t trust having their product scrutinized. Their PR refuses to let cars be tracked, tested, measured, or otherwise. Chris Harris himself was blacklisted simply for accurately reviewing one
Top gear has been doing this for a while, especially with Clarkson and co. Anything to crap on American cars to make Europeans look good
@@mattblock6616 it's what Americans as always do on European products.. Eye for an eye
@@titfortat5727 no they don't
@@mattblock6616 yes they do!! America first!
Porche like 60,000 more than Corvette and Ferrari forget about more than 100,000 more Atleast. YET CORVETTE WHOOPS BOTH OF EM 🤷🏽♂️
It would be so cool to see a 4-5 lap shoot out at road America. Epic track where cars need to reflect there power and braking ability as well as stability.
Zo6 zo7 package tho
Vs
Gt3
Z06 with the Z07 package destroyed both the GT3 and Lamborghini STO in car and drivers lightning lap by a substantial margin. It is also faster than a McLaren 720s on track, and a hair slower than a 765LT. Both American magazines Car and Driver and Road and Track have posted real lap times with seasoned drivers. A base C8 Stingray is faster than a Base 458 on track as well.
Maybe I should bring mine up to road America
@@matthew3136 beating a 13 year old Ferrari is not a big deal. Bring the 488 pista or the gt2 rs - the results would be more telling.
@@cmg11235 400k+ vs 160k..... Lmfao
@@Luke-cb3ly gt2 RS has a msrp - 300K. That difference is worth it for laughable materials, fit and finish and MMI on the corvette.
“Corvette is a bit cagey about weight”. I’m not sure what you are trying to say. But as someone who does time trial racing and often works the scales let me just say this. Corvettes roll over the scales at EXACTLY the weight advertised by the manufacturer plus driver weight and fuel load. Porsches always seem to roll across the scale way heavier than the book plus driver weight. My race organization has had to look at this in detail. We get “minus points” for being over specified weight per class. Meaning a lot of Porsches specifically gt4s are classing down.
I’m just glad to see a z06 comparison with cars thats priced similarly
As well as it having the nost powerful naturally aspirated 8 cyclinder engine being compared to car with most powerful naturally aspirated 6 cylinder engine
After insane dealer mark ups, yeah.
They’re not priced similarly. The zo6 starts at 105 thousand dollars. Much cheaper than a gt3. Just because people are paying 100k over sticker doesn’t change the fact the msrp is half a gt3
Z06 msrp starts at $106k, where does tht Porsche msrp start?
IKR?
What if the "stupidly shaped steering wheel" is really you stupidly missing the two primary reasons? (1) You see more of the instrumentation; and (2) Easier to get in and out from under.
Racecar ish
I think that the fair comparison would be either this Z06 with the GT3 Touring, or the Z07 with the GT3, and before someone talks about the GT3 RS, it's the ZR1 that matches that one in the line up, it should be like this:
Carrera -> Stingray
Carrera GTS -> E-Ray
Turbo -> Zora
GT3 Touring -> Z06
GT3 -> Z07
GT3 RS -> ZR1
GT2 RS -> Yet to exist, if it ever does
"The 458 gets to bow out gracefully" means the woosy owner wouldn't give permission.
It's on dealer plates. If you have a car for sale, you're not gonna lend it to a magazine to send it on a track before it goes back into your showroom
@@deathcab4booty Good catch, I didn't notice that.
probably Ferrari...they could pull TG's ability to get access to newer cars if they didn't like the outcome...so better for it to simply not compete.
I mean if you plan on keeping that car forever I wouldn't want somebody beating on it on track (that isn't me)
The GT350 had the Voodoo V8 which was flat plane and high revving, which also came out later than 2009 or whenever you said the Ferrari came out. 2016, I think was the year. Also, I think the "my first supercar" statement is cute considering everyone loves outlandish styling, all the way back to the Countach, but it's an American car, so let's say it isn't refined 🙄. If any Italian company made a car that looked excessive like that it'd probably be called welcome fun...
I don’t like the looks of the c8 at all. Way too much going on. Hate the rear too with those plastic vents, I assume. Never seen one in real life. Even after 5 years now.
Always fun to watch Brits begrudgingly say ANYTHING nice about American cars. LOL
Solid video. I'm a pure blooded american but I still love that gt3 more than the z06 (amazing as it is). Glad to see you giving the vette a fair shake
Not me anymore. GM gives you far more car for the money. The 992 GT3RS reviews are in, and it isn't road worthy anymore and rides like a brutal race car on the street.
Everyone says that until they actually ride inside the gt3. Most people say it's impossible as a road car because of how uncomfortable the suspension and seats are and they'd rather drive a Honda civic on the road.
@@eats4cheaps305 Dont ever forget the ZL11LE Camaro that GM warned people about because it was nothing but brick stiff on the street. The people still bought it and complained. I simply dont want a real race car that has suspension stiff enough to bounce me around on the road.
European British magazine never give American corvettes their due which is fine. We Americans always are aware of the British automotive bias.
It would be more appropriate if Britain acutually made any cars… I guess they have to stare across the water to see what folks are doing.
As an owner of a Porsche, I have to go with the Porsche GT3, now and forever.
I think the standard Z06 should be compared to a GT3 Touring, and the Z06 w/Z07 pack would be compared to a GT3 / GT3 RS. I'm guessing this is what you had on hand to test with :)
Don't insult the Porsche
and... how many Ferraris can I buy for the price of that 1 single Corvette? Oh wait... it has to be the other way around, doesn't it?
Look at the cost for the Ferrari and to maintain, look at the cost of the Porsche also to maintain! 06 Corvette 2023 Kicking butt.
Dude's every line was like " ameeican vs(
Ordered the Z06 and waiting for it...
Should have had the Z07 package for the tack test. Not sure this is a fair comparison.
The GT3 is a manual, and not the RS version, so... ya.
So you compare a Z06 convertible to the hardcore GT3? When the Z07 package is still 100k cheaper? Really didn’t want to show up porche huh. GT3 great car , Z06 once in a lifetime!
Hardcore GT3? This just the base GT3 like the Z06, there's a MR kit like the Z07 package and then there's the hardcore GT3 RS. Price wise, Corvette's are cheaper for a reason.
@@amarjit_singh_
You don’t compare a convertible to a coupe.
@@patrickdali9124 They are only comparing how the cars drive, they aren't saying anything about lap times and they didn't post any as well. So what you're whining about is irrelevant. Get over it, Ferrari already did it with the 458 and that's 13 years ago, so once in a lifetime is just exaggerating like little fangirls do!
Are you intentionally trying to make the Z06 look bad in this comparison test? The most competitive spec would have been the C8 Z06 Coupe with the Z07 pkg. You definitely handicapped the Z06's showing as a result of using the base Z06.
Seemed like a pretty fair review to me. If they wanted to handicap the corvette, they wouldn't include it in the video to even begin with.
@@volakha What a joke of a comment
“Its a bit my first supercar” Isn’t that pretty much the entire point of the C8 Corvette? Sounds like they nailed it.
Corvette z06 has the most powerful naturally aspirated v8 ever created and sold by a factory, also at a 3rd of the price of a porche or Ferrari and the lack of need for a million in liquid assets, no Ferrari competes. Porche cuts corners in simple stuff like the gas cap, which is literally better built in the chevy spark. I know the UK doesn't want to admit that the USA has surpassed all of Europe, but your pride doesn't matter, because facts don't care about feelings.
Actually, the 458 is still the most powerful V8 ever produced at 125hp per liter. It's math my friend. Now, if Ferrari just added an additional liter like GM did, then IT would have the higher horsepower of the two engines.
What everyone seems to forget is how much less expensive the Corvette is than its competition. A further testament to what Chevy has done with the Z06. Now, what European sports car can be compared with the base C8 at $65k?? The 'vette is a car any hard working man can afford.
Worth noting the GT3 base price is $55k (1/3) higher.
Money well spent in my opinion.
and you need to own a 911 to get a gt3 allocation (unless you know someone). The cheapest 911 is 105k+ and the bare bones gt3 is 169K + mark ups + Porsche's alacarte of options which could easily add 20K+
@@Sithene HAHAHA but you can just walk in to a dealer and buy a Z06?! lol! Good one, buddy!
@@billymays7210 dam where did I say that? You should have stayed in school.
@@Sithene Oh snap! Nice comeback, bro! What was your point, exactly, if not comparing the 911 to the Vette?
Price for performance the C8 Z06 Corvette is king.
Why all the cars but Z06 was convertible? Not a fair comparison.
YA! cuz the MANUAL didn't make a difference 🤣
Great comparison but incomplete without considering price tag of each car
6 speeds > all else. Damn shame the 458 only came with paddles
It's been years since I've watched top gear. How the mighty have fallen. Not in the budget for a proper comparison? Apples to oranges here
Million dollar European cars compared to standard production Chevrolets...ha ha ha My, how the high and might have fallen!!! What if Chef let were to build a 400,000 dollar sports car...who could compete? The C8 corvette is a sports car and it built by average folks in the USA.
We noticed that To gear was afraid to compare the Z07 pack in their so called fair test..ha ha ha
Exactly! We're gonna find out soon with Zora.
I,d still take the Z06 over both of the pther cars
The sound of the that Corvette is intoxicating!!!
Obviously you’ve never a line of nose candy from a girls arse
Hey Pal, since it is an American car whose name is in the American lexicon, it is not a Zed06, it is a Z06. Actually, I am wholly unaware of the language that the letter Z is pronounced zed. Will you accompany me to the zedoo to see the animals? Also, if you are driving a GT3RS, why not the Z06 Z07?