If your not feeling it, don't do it! Key factor is eating. Ya gotta eat man!!! Double your calorie intake when winter camping...fuel your furnace. Come on up to Canada Bryce, we'll get ya winter camping! Love this video, the honesty. Keep living your Dash!!! - Davey.
Seriously! Food is so important And so underrated! There are so many calories that we don't take into consideration. Like mayo or mustard on a sandwich. Or the bread instead of tortillas. Any of the condiments or mac and cheese made with milk. We can't have that on trail. I mean we could but who wants to carry that weight. Lol 😆 refined sugars is another one. Plus all the foods you eat on trail are not water enriched like fruits and vegetables. Dehydration can come in the form of feeling like hunger. Being on trail definitely gives you different insight on what you put into your body. if only I followed that off the trail 🤣
Honestly, I was glad to see you struggle with indecision. I have and do, and thought “ why can’t I just get thru it”... I watch you, Schill bro’s, Frozen, and others, and wonder why I struggle sometimes. Most of my trips are solo, so I let my head take too much control, and I either bail or cut the trip short, only to wish I finished. I’m not sure what the answer is, but at least I see others may go thru the same thoughts. Thanks for the honesty.
I think this is one of my favorite videos you’ve done because everyone shows the happy happy trips on you tube thanks for showing the other side we’ve all been there
Kudos for going out to learn something about yourself and gear. I've been winter camping in the Virginia Appalachians since 1995. Some quick tips: don't wear puffy jackets or pants when active, the down or synthetic fill absorbs your body vapor/oils and will slowly kill the loft. You won't notice it much on a weekend trip but after three of four days it'll start to be a problem. Wash those insulated garments with the appropriate Nikwax or Granger wash at the end of the season so they stay clean and maintain their loft (same for your sleeping bag/quilt). Don't wear a hardshell when hiking unless it's raining/sleeting. I don't wear one in the snow, even in the heavy + wet east coast snow. The body heat I'm generating while hiking keeps the inside of the my wool or fleece shirt dry. When you reach camp, then change into your shell/insulated clothing as needed. Fleece or wool for warmth when on the move. A breathable anorak/jacket that fits over your wool shirt or fleece when moving if needed to block the wind. We learned back in the 1990s gore-tex doesn't work in the humidity of the east coast. Change into separate sleep clothes that you only wear for sleeping once you're ready to get into your sleeping bag/quilt. No bare skin should be touching the inside of your bag/quilt or your body vapor will saturate it. Thin polypro long johns and a thin pair of polypro liner socks (no wool here, it holds too much moisture). Do not wear clothes in your sleeping bag/quilt. If you need to augment your bag/quilt put on your puffy layers over the thin long johns and a pair of booties or heavy fleece socks over the thin liner socks. It's painful to see the new generation of hikers having to learn all this again the hard way.
For making fires since you had a knife you need to learn how to make feather sticks. A feather stick is a length of wood which has been shaved to produce a cluster of thin curls protruding from the wood. It allows damp wood to be used to start a fire when dry tinder is hard to find
If you put the pad on top of the air mattress you will insulate yourself better from the cold air in the mattress. More so than if you insulate the mattress from the ground which still allows the mattress to cool from the sides. That spot looks incredible!
Good stuff as always man! Us Grunts take a lot of crap for carrying "too much," but for me I'd rather not have to exfil from a camping trip because I'm worried about the weather. I'm often mad for not needing the gear and just carrying extra weight, but every now and then I actually need it and am stoked I brought it. I had "the thing" and was only sick for 3 days, but I did feel the effects for about two weeks after.
Winter camping in the sods takes work. But if you hit it right it’s worth it. Skimping on gear and worrying too much about weight for a winter load out is a big mistake imo. I’m kind of a gram weenie in three seasons but I don’t fuck around in the winter. There’s no shame in bailing when things go sideways. 🤙
Tnx a million for this video! It's of great value to us not-so-experienced hikers to see that every trip isn't perfect for you who are experienced. Makes it a little easier to handle my mistakes and failed trips.
Parked at red creek in winter plenty of times for my circumnav trips. The trick to getting across red creek is to be patient and pick your spot you may not get to cross at the typical crossing but there is always a spot. Done both solo and with a group, with good amounts of snow on the ground almost every time. That being said winter camping is hard don’t give up on it hope to see you out there.
There is a reason they close the gates to Dolly Sods in winter, its a total different animal up there with the weather and wind. Me and some of my friends do trail maintenance on the Allegheny Trail and are out most of the winter car camping while do work. The weather can really change fast even at lower elevations in the mountains of West Virginia.
One of the most important mindsets of backpacking (especially solo) is to always strive for making the right decision, whether it's deciding between which mountainhouse meal to eat for dinner or whether or not you should have to bail on a trip in progress. I have had to do it multiple times, oddly enough both times at Dolly Sods and both times were within a few miles of where you were! First time I came down with the flu and the second time was for a huge kidney stone that kicked itself loose while camping on top of Lions Head. Something about the Sods man haha! Nice video and definitely a good lesson to people to strive to make that right decision should they ever have to make it.
I bailed on an 80 mile hike because I made some mistakes crossing a river, lost my shoes and got injured. I bailed on a 55 mile hike last August cause I was showing signs of heat injury. My heart was set on finishing both times but quitting was totally the right move. Knowing when to call it and get out of there is a vital skill for backpackers, especially solo ones
Thanks for being “real.” When “up against the wall,” it’s always better to “live for another day.” My wife (64) and I (66) attempted the Presidential Traverse of The White Mountains, NH this past August. We climbed Valley Way to Madison Hut. Awakened middle of the night from the howling wind, and heavy rain. Next morning was foggy, 15ft visibility and 80mph wind. We, along with three very experienced climbers bailed. Climbed back down Valley Way. Took shuttle to Lodge for the night. Climbed up Crawford Path next morning to Mitzpah Hut. Summited Mt. Jackson, then took Crawford down next morning. “Bookended” the Traverse, but felt like a failed trip since we never got to Mt. Washington. Your video from The Sods gave me a sense of redemption. “Live for another day.” (Or wasn’t there a 007 Bond movie titled, “Die Another Day?”) Anyway, thanks Bryce.
I love that you shared this with us all! I can totally relate as I had a similar experience in January in Washington. We couldn't get a fire going for longer than about 10 minutes and my feet were so cold from snow shoeing to our camp. I considered that trip a good learning experience for cold weather and my chance at redemption is next weekend!
I came across this video long after it was published. I have done this a few times- too cold or bored. I’ve done a lot of in the teens overnights to figure out how to stay warm. I’ve made the same mistake- put on all my layers and then froze. You sweat in those layers then it makes you cold. It’s better to wear less, and stuff the gaps in your bag with the extra clothes. Also- I drink hot cocoa to warm me from inside, and put hot water in my Nalgene and keep it in a wool sock against my body while I sleep. But- I also learned if you’re not enjoying it, bailing isn’t a failure.
I had a night like that at Thomas Knob shelter near Mt Rogers in VA. It was in October and it snowed. It was so windy, I had to sit up in my tent all night to keep it from breaking the poles and blowing over. I don’t know what the temp was but I had every layer of clothes I brought with me on. The next night wasn’t so bad when I went to a lower elevation. I probably would have bailed too if I was closer to the car.
Did a backpacking trip on the A.T. in Vermont last year when I had the thing but didn't know I had the thing. Started with a 1,000 foot climb and it rained the whole time. Worst trip ever. Thought I was being a baby until someone challenged me to get tested...yup, no wonder I felt so awful. As you were getting more torn about what to do, the word "hypothermia" kept running through my mind. Glad you did what you thought was best. You made the right decision.
I had hypothermia when I was younger and car camping. Thought I had my winter bag, ended up accidentally bringing my spring bag. Got down to 5 degrees F and I couldn't stop shivering all the next day. I recently called an overnight trip with my daughter not because of the temps, but the wind was not letting up. I planned for it by doing a loop hike and making camp close to the car. Good video!
Takes some guts even attempting to go to the dolly sods in the winter. Last time we were I the sods in the summer we got flooded out of camp and had to cross red creek in high water. We agreed to never go there in the winter or spring with the snow melt. Not to mention the temps. Nice work man!!!
Is that a zero degree Hammock Gear quilt? I just got their 40 degree and freaking love it. Love it so much I'm thinking about getting the zero degree for this winter. I think being willing to make the call to bail is a good thing. And even more important to show so others feel like they can make the same call when needed. Great video!
I few suggestions for the cold, handwarmers in your socks, an insulation foil mat under your air mat, star jumps. I could see that you had gotten cold as you didn't wan to cook, a hot drink made from a stock cube may have helped.
Need to just do all movements in your base layers with a thin beanie and gloves. Add warming layers after your finished moving slowly through the day. Much respect for sharing your learned lessons with us and keeping it real!
Yeah. As soon as you woke up cold I was thinking you were probably sick. Stay well. Thanks for the video. Thanks for letting us know it's ok to go home!
Nothing wrong with bailing out! I bailed one time in Red River Gorge KY and passed Outdoor Adventures' campsite. He was in his hammock, toasty (I assume because he seemed to be talking to his camera) while I was getting out of dodge.
I would suggest less layers. It's best practice to put on a fresh dry layer when getting into your sleeping bag. If your close are damp at all. You risk being cold all night.
Always go with your gut. Very much enjoyed the video and the debrief at the end. I know you said that you probably had a cold or something but just curious did you eat enough to let your body keep it's warmth. On those cold nights I have to eat right before I climb in for the night or else I wake up myself up. In winter too, I enjoy some hot tea before bed to warm up. Get's the bag warmer faster. Could also be a billion things like the xlite pad or down shifting all the usual crap. Who knows 🤷♂️
Thanks dude. And yea I actually ate a ton. Something just didn't feel right. In hindsight I was definitely just sick plain and simple. Could definitely use an xterm however. Haha. I've had this one pretty low and it's ok. But it's the warmest I have. 👍👍
I remember one trip few years ago. I went hiking with my dog, it was mid january. -22 celsius(-7.6 fahrenheit) and made some firewood with my down jacket on me. One treebranch ripped my jacket a huge hole. I couldnt use that so i put my heavy fleece on and sit by the fire. I had one very cold beer with me, did drink that, but it was like icy smoothie. My dog was all warm( Finnish Lapphund) but i didnt like it very much. Now years after, it was funny trip but at the time didnt feel that good 😅
I've been in your situation before. Props to staying calm and rational. It's essential if you're by yourself. I'm not sure how much I can endorse ultralight kit for a place like Dolly Sods in the winter, though. I'd save that for warmer days and sacrifice 10 pounds of pack weight for added comfort/personal safety. Just my thoughts. Great video, cheers
No reason to suffer and probably a good idea to bail. Shivering at night is no fun. Were you cold the night before in the truck? It could just be that long term exposure to moderate cold added up over time. (I notice this when diving in cold water for several days in a row). I'm def heading up to the sods in a month or so here once it warms up!
More clothes make warm feet and hands. I have an xxl down Jacket and shell to fit over other medium sized layers without compressing. The air in the inflatable mattress will circulate and cool unlike the closed cell pad. Closed cell on top thank you.
Did an over night in the sods this year during the last week in Feb lows down to 12. Can relate to wind and wet wood. Fire was very hard to start. I had wool bases, 3 fleece, two puffies, two beanies, and wool socks with a 15 liner, r 4.5, and 15 bag and slept with it all. I think three people in the tent helped. No shame in bailing! Sweet vid 🤙
I enjoy it to a point but I think type 2 fun only gets you so far. Better safe than sorry, you're in kinda deep when ya chance it in the cold. Thanks for sharing the adventure, even if it wasn't ideal.
Maybe a winter tent, double-walled with good ventilation, as you already know you sleep cold? That looked like a 2-season tent. A new pair of socks to warm your feet after hiking? A stove to make hot coffee or other drinks. Also, you kept acknowledging you were indecisive - next time take a breath, take a knee, and then think about your last experience with that headspace. Then if your body is compromised you should bail. Take care.
What’s up Bryce? I have bailed a few times myself. Multiple car camping trips, a solo backpacking trip and a mutual backpacking trip. On both those backpacking trips it was because of the cold. There’s a point where it’s just not worth it especially if it’s risky. I think you made a good call. Chalk it up to a little more experience. Next time you can knock it out of the park.
I just had a poor camping trip this weekend too. Car camping, but I forgot my stuff to cook my food, so I just ate snacks. Called it quits pretty early in the morning rather than chill at camp.
Dolly Sods is absolutely magical, but whoa attempting in winter… there’s always wind. I was wondering if you were coming down with something but instead you were still recovering. You def made the right call or I think you would have had a miserable sleepless night.
I have always (OK sometimes) wanted to hike up in Canada and apparently the Sods is the closest thing we have to that in the US. Likewise the elevations are fairly similar to what we have here in NC. I need to check it out (but probably not in the Winter). Years ago when my kids were much younger we were car camping in a state park and we just threw our freestanding tents up because we wanted to do a certain hike before it got dark. When we came back, our tents were obviously displaced - That night we had 45 -50 mph winds consistently - we slept in the car, there were branches and crap flying around everywhere. Always go w/your gut...
Brother is far as I’m concerned he made the right decision. I have had warmer trips and much colder trips than yours and when you decide it’s wrong it’s wrong. Part of your knowledge and ability to sustain is knowing when to call it. I have had trips in the single digits and stayed out and trips around freezing they kicked my ass…… as always thanks for a great video, taking us with you & most importantly don’t let it get to you
You did ur best!! And it's always good to listen to that little voice nagging u. Sometimes what we can't see will save our lives or just plain protect us. Maybe investigate that hunch u had and try to find it's source someday soon. It may get louder next time and guide u thru lotsa stuff and situations!! Be blessed!
Still enjoyed the video. It definitely makes you more approachable to see that not all of your hikes are rainbows and sunshine. I'm getting my popcorn ready now waiting to read all the 'noob advice' comments you are going to get. This should be fun
Get yourself a lightweight winter tent. It makes a huge difference! That’s a warm weather tent bro. Check out the Marmot Fortress ul 2P. Well worth the price. I highly recommend it. Don’t be cheap
As a PNW hiker, I ve bailed due to cold rain more then any reason. When your wet...and your sleeping system is damp...it can be dangerous. I've also bailed early for beer...being warm and having beer is always a temptation.
Before I had Covid I could walk around in a tshirt in 30 degree weather. This may be a little twisted but I loved when my hands and legs went numb from the cold. It didn’t bother me, if anything It made me feel freaking alive. I could feel my core holding and preserving heat, in pure survival mode. I used to love to test myself like that. After Covid I now shiver when it gets in the low 60s and upper 50s. I mentally and physically can’t stand the cold anymore. I hope to one day get my tolerance back but worry that it never will.
@@AllThingsConsidered333 sorry to hear that. Hope you get your tolerance back one day. I know tick diseases are probably far worse than what I went through but I was able to get mine back just by exposing my self to the cold over and over again and over again.
@@gardenfox93 I have built up a fair amount of cold weather gear - at least clothing related. If I later properly then it’s not too bad in the moment but I do get more body pain afterwards. Looking for a backpacking tent & bag/pad for cold weather/winter trips.. I haven’t done that yet, just hiking in the snow & cold but I want to start. When I used to run, I would regularly run in cold weather/winter so I know I CAN do it, just have to be smarter about it now
I live in Ocean City MD and ive been surfing winters most of my life.When your core temp drops alarms need to go off. It isn't as easy as putting on a jacket and getting warm to get it back up. It takes time to elevate that core back. You were smart to leave. It wasn't a fail. It was a success. Hypothermia was a factor and your experience paid dividends. Love Dolly Sods. Killer video.
With hiking and doing it long enough . Your trips build a subconscious knowing of how things are to go and how they go correctly. If a trip is bad . Your mind and body will let you know . You will pick up on it . Everything feels off and different, not as it should be . It's always best to listen to your mind and body . It knows even if you are unsure . Safety above all else is best .
At least you tried I think it was a very smart move I was actually in the same situation in 18° weather camping below freezing is no joke it's all good buddy save your energy for spring and summer
Considering you went out on your own, I think you made the right decision. Sometimes indecision is helping you to recognize something else is going on. Nothing wrong at all with bailing. There are no fails on the trail, especially when your health and life are part of the equation. Good on you for doing what ended up being the correct thing.
Thermarest foam pad on top of the Nemo Tensor Insulated has always worked for me. Set it up at home sometime and see how much less you slide around. That alone was worth it for me. Northeast Ohio tarp user in winter months
that sounds pretty good.. i actually think my tensor insulated is pretty cold though. i think the neoair is way warmer but doubling up the tensor sounds way comfier. haha
@@BryceNewbold I just began using the thermarest foam atop the Nemo a few years ago. I always slid off the Nemo throughout the night. Very little to no sliding now. I camped at Findley State Park a few weeks back under a tarp and the Tensor/Thermarest stack kept me plenty warm at 13F. I’ve never tried the NeoAir but may do so once the Nemo is retired in a few years. Heard really great things about the NeoAir from all you great RUclips folks! Thanks for the content man!
I realized I was sick as hell 9k feet up the side of Mauna Loa. Back in town, when I got tested, it was corona. Sometimes, you just have to admit defeat and get out.
A wise man is one who trusts his instincts :-). Good call. As a property owner up there, I spend a lot of time in Dolly Sods and the weather....oh the weather! We have had to leave our fully stocked permanent camp due to weather. But hey, that is why we love it. Bye - fanny packs rule.
One of the few times being overweight helps LOL! I am 6ft and about 230 lbs and my comfort threshold for winter camping is about zero degree's Fahrenheit. I did Mohican about 5-6 weeks ago and it was around -2 at its coldest. Trust me, it was cold AF, but there was also no wind. I stayed warm mostly because I have that good ol' built in insulation on my body LOL! But the fact there was no wind really really helped a lot too. I remember waking up around 3am and it so quiet, the only thing you could hear was the trees popping all around me, because it was so cold. The only time I thought about bailing in the winter is when I got my socks/shoes/feet wet at Lake Vesuvius, and it was below freezing in the middle of the afternoon! I was scared I was going to get frostbite. Feet ended up drying out and I was about 6 miles from my car, so I'm glad I waited it out, but I was very very nervous the whole day-it kinda ruined the trip for me honestly. Sorry about you getting "The Thing LOL" that sucks, and definitely never helps, even if you felt fine going in.
thanks for sharing! were you at mohican when we had all that snow? and yea i could use alittle extra "insulation" for these winter camps. they arent always that fun for me. haha.
@@BryceNewbold I did! It was a day or two after, did campsite #5. Had to quite literally shovel out a place to set up our tent. It turned out to be a beautiful day though.
I swear dolly sods is impossibly cold. No matter if it’s the middle of summer it’ll feel like it’s below freezing at night. I feel like it’s the wind that causes it.
Thanks for your honesty, it’s good to see you made the right call. You knew that your body wasn’t feeling up to it. There’s nothing wrong with doing what you feel is best for YOU! My first solo overnighter I actually got scared and bailed. 😆 I worked my way back up to it and have never looked back
LOL man I get that “bailing feeling” all the time. What is that?!?! Too many solos and repeat trips for me I think. And stopping too early; sometime I set up at 3pm then think “now what?”
yea i think thats why i hike so many miles when im off on a big multi day solo. setting up at 3 kinda sucks. haha.. untill i get really tired i just like to hike all day so i dont get bored
Just came across your channel! Good shit. Great sense humor keep it up. And can relate. “ Ah,ah there it is… the thought of bailing.” Was on the SHT north shore over packed weight, lost my water filter, yup very short trip Lolol
I didn’t hear you say the temperature but I backpacked the St Marks in Florida at 29 deg F and it was no big deal but I did hike with my EE Torrent on. Good on you for bailing. Just do the safest thing.
There's nothing wrong with bailing on a trip, we've all done it for one reason or another. I was at Mohican, site 10 with my hammock, it was cold and windy. Tried to setup my hammock and it turned into a sail. I couldn't get the tarp deployed due to the wind either. So decision was made to drive the 1hr 15min back home. Gotta do what you gotta do! Thanks for sharing Bryce! -dave
Love the video Bryce. Thanks for the bonus material. In my opinion you responded very professionally indeed. Keep it up man, and thanks for taking us with you on your wins and loses.
I'm over Dolly Sods. It was adventurous the first time. It was brutal the second time. Third time I realized there's better trails to lay my feet upon with just as good views.
First, you didn't change your socks before getting in the bag. They were probably holding a lot of moisture from those waterproof shoes after hiking in. Next, being static for 14 hours will make you colder than if you were static for 8 hours. Finally, going in with a high level of doubt tends to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Tell yourself you can't, and you'll be right. The symptoms you described do sound like my single day experience with "the thing". Had about four or six hours of chills on day one. Kayaked 11 miles in 34 degree temps day two. Hiked up and down Mt. LeConte for about 13 miles on day three. Snowshoed about 7 miles on Roan Mountain on day four. Then again, I'm about 20 years older than you and hadn't taken the stuff that is supposed to help with the thing. However, I believe getting active helped me get over the thing sooner. I still miss the Barry White voice it gave me for a few days. I was looking at doing voice over work until it went away. I did a winter trip to Citico about 8 years ago that was supposed to get into the teens. Had a headache, but figured it was stress. The teens ended up being minus 7 F, so I left camp in the middle of the night. Got home to discover a 102 degree fever.
@@BryceNewbold Thick dry socks make quite a difference. The breadbag trick works too, as will a couple of silnylon stuff sacks under your socks. If I'm not hiking far on the first day, I start later. It's harder to stay warm hanging around camp than carrying a pack.
I recently had the "thing" (2 months ago). I have been struggling with low body temperature since then (about a .5-.8 degree drop in core temperature). I think it has been slowly improving. I did a snow/winter camp this last weekend, and was very nervous about it. Its an internal cold that is very hard to shake or overcome. Your video is the first mention of a possible similar situation I have come across. Knock on wood, I think I'm at the end of it.
Been to dolly sods dozens of times. I have bailed before myself. A few personal assumptions I verified after watching: 1. Dolly sods is not nearly as fun when you’re by yourself. 2. The trail system there makes it too enticing to bail. There are many opportunities to bailout rather than having to directly backtrack. Conversely, my main appeal is to just go out there without a plan and wing it. Because the trail system is so interconnected. 3. The weather certainly is entirely unpredictable, and really does it’s best to beat you up. Windy in July is awesome. Windy in the dead of winter…blows
I am planning a trip to DS for this fall and I am looking at starting at Red Creek Campground as well and doing a similar route to what you have done. Can you share the exact trail numbers/ route you did? Where is the big water crossing for Red Creek at?
On this video I just did an out and back from blackbird knob trailhead. Not the easiest way because u need a permit for overnight parking. Bear rocks/red creek trail heads don't require this. Also make sure u check out the video I post soon. It's done but just waiting on some things to post. I did a decent loop and have an animated map following me so it would be really good for research. It shows red creek crossing as well. . Which is about 1.7 miles from the trail head. Video should be up soon once sponsor gets back with me.
First thing you need to do drink hot liquids. Then eat high-fat foods they get the furnace working. You're cold and you're eating cold food you'll get colder. Practice your fire making in bad weather. All of those things will help you in the future. Before you're getting your sleeping bag do jumping jacks to warm up your core then get in your sleeping bag you'll be warm. Don't go camping when you're sick!
true true. i actually am pretty good at fire making. but in this case i only wanted to have a fire if it would start with 10% effort. haha!! did not feel like processing wood
Wear your rain gear for insulation. An actual sleeping bag instead of a quilt is necessary for cold winter camping. Nalgene with boiling water is clutch. Down booties are awesome.
Hey Bryce check out Coal Cracker Bushcraft for fire starting techniques/hints for them conditions. Helped me out tremendously and it is definitely necessary to have fire-warmth in that kind of weather
ive watched him a bunch actually! and i know alot of good techiniques but on this trip i decided i only wanted a fire if i could put in 10% effort to get it started.. haha .. didnt feel like feathering or spliting anything.
Maybe a few more pounds in your pack could have made you warmer. Down booties, down hood, a few more and heavier layers especially for night. And get a 3+ season tent if you’re going to backpack in cold, windy areas. When I saw you weigh out at 17 lbs to a trip to the Monongahela Natl forest in Feb I knew you were in trouble.
haha.. yea down booties would of helped but after i closed the gaps under the tarp i think my feet would of been ok. On a non windy trip this kit would have easily taken me down to single digits.. but dolly sods says no!... honestly if my core would have been normal and not post-sickness i probably would have been fine. but you're not wrong. I will not underestimate monongahela winter backpacking anymore. haha
@@BryceNewbold Mt Rogers on SW Va AT is another trip that helps you appreciate the difference between cold and REALLY COLD. And seriously, use a tent! Tarps just make me cold looking at them.
I live in Sweden. Cold temps with icy, hard wind is really brutal. Bailing was the right choice! Take care of yourself first. You have always the choice of not uploading something if that’s an issue.
I'm all about the fanny pack! I don't have one, but I am seriously thinking about getting one. It just makes sense. The stigma of it in the '90s is something that I'm willing to accept. I guess I'm getting old now 😮💨
Just my two cents worth but that tent is just not made for winter camping, glad you're okay bro, I know exactly where that stone seat is at dolly sods, I'm trying to get into winter camping myself so it's good thing I posted this
You were smart enough to listen to that voice in your head saying “Don’t stay!” Most people try to tough it out and usually end up worse off than if they had just packed it up and left. No S&R involved so that’s a good thing. There is no shame in turning around. You know your PRP better than anyone. A couple of things I noticed is it seems you left your layers you hiked in next to your skin. I change everything at camp to dry as that can help preserve your core temp. I think that contributed to the core temp issue you were having. Plus I bet that place was gonna be single digits to sub zero over night. That snow line you showed had to at least be below freezing to stick around. Maybe you didn’t bring warm enough gear for the temps you were going to have to deal with. Another good reason to go. I’ve got a pretty sweet fire video on my channel. Simple and would have gotten that kindling going. Thanks for the honesty. Actually cool place. Got the same tent. It’s amazing! Greetings from Utah! 🤙
You have to eat and drink lots of fluids specially hot drinks the other thing is that your sleeping bag or quilt should be at least 20degree more then you think
We all have that love hate thing with the Sods don't we. So awesome there but the wet and rocks just gets so old. Summer I use the fanny with my Lite AF multiday 30 in the warmer months and its great. I don't use the hip/fanny at all to carry the weight, just tighten slightly. Works great since I'm really lightweight in the summer. Sorry about all that misunderstanding last week. I felt bad but I was also rolling when I saw all the comments. lol
the rocks get so old there! for real. and i think a liteAF 30 would be the perfect summer size. And not a problem man. to be honest sometimes when i get hate I just think its super funny. I was actually loving it. haha!! few comments really get to me anymore. yours did not. its even funnier now since we figured out u were messing with us. lol
I love this video, Bryce! So much realness. 14 hours on your back in the cold does not sound like fun. I've finally admitted that cold weather backpacking is not for me!
Haha, maaan, Dolly Sods is the only place I have bailed. That is one weird location. It's beckoning, yet punishing. Even after spending hours in torential rain and knee deep mud, I still want to go back and complete the loop.
@@BryceNewbold we planned it a few yrs ago, but almost got washed away in Red Creek in the Sods. Everything was wet so we bailed on the Plains. Looking forward to it!
Bro, you haven’t actually done Dolly Sods if you haven’t been there when the weather sucks lol. Good call bailing. Myself, my wife and a couple friends went in 2021 and had to bail because of an absolute downpour then the tempts dropped quick! It was the best decision lol. Great video because it helps us all learn from each other’s experiences 🤙🏼
If your not feeling it, don't do it! Key factor is eating. Ya gotta eat man!!! Double your calorie intake when winter camping...fuel your furnace. Come on up to Canada Bryce, we'll get ya winter camping! Love this video, the honesty. Keep living your Dash!!! - Davey.
Seriously! Food is so important And so underrated! There are so many calories that we don't take into consideration. Like mayo or mustard on a sandwich. Or the bread instead of tortillas. Any of the condiments or mac and cheese made with milk. We can't have that on trail. I mean we could but who wants to carry that weight. Lol 😆 refined sugars is another one. Plus all the foods you eat on trail are not water enriched like fruits and vegetables. Dehydration can come in the form of feeling like hunger. Being on trail definitely gives you different insight on what you put into your body. if only I followed that off the trail 🤣
Yes FOOD!!! And Hydrate.
I have to give you all the credit for publishing the fails. Your videos are genuine, not just highlight reels. Thank you for that.
thanks lisa!
Honestly, I was glad to see you struggle with indecision. I have and do, and thought “ why can’t I just get thru it”... I watch you, Schill bro’s, Frozen, and others, and wonder why I struggle sometimes. Most of my trips are solo, so I let my head take too much control, and I either bail or cut the trip short, only to wish I finished. I’m not sure what the answer is, but at least I see others may go thru the same thoughts.
Thanks for the honesty.
I find you have to have your head in the game before you leave the house, leave the house with doubt's and it will follow you on the trip
this
I think this is one of my favorite videos you’ve done because everyone shows the happy happy trips on you tube thanks for showing the other side we’ve all been there
thanks Erik. appreciate it!
Kudos for going out to learn something about yourself and gear. I've been winter camping in the Virginia Appalachians since 1995. Some quick tips: don't wear puffy jackets or pants when active, the down or synthetic fill absorbs your body vapor/oils and will slowly kill the loft. You won't notice it much on a weekend trip but after three of four days it'll start to be a problem. Wash those insulated garments with the appropriate Nikwax or Granger wash at the end of the season so they stay clean and maintain their loft (same for your sleeping bag/quilt). Don't wear a hardshell when hiking unless it's raining/sleeting. I don't wear one in the snow, even in the heavy + wet east coast snow. The body heat I'm generating while hiking keeps the inside of the my wool or fleece shirt dry. When you reach camp, then change into your shell/insulated clothing as needed. Fleece or wool for warmth when on the move. A breathable anorak/jacket that fits over your wool shirt or fleece when moving if needed to block the wind. We learned back in the 1990s gore-tex doesn't work in the humidity of the east coast. Change into separate sleep clothes that you only wear for sleeping once you're ready to get into your sleeping bag/quilt. No bare skin should be touching the inside of your bag/quilt or your body vapor will saturate it. Thin polypro long johns and a thin pair of polypro liner socks (no wool here, it holds too much moisture). Do not wear clothes in your sleeping bag/quilt. If you need to augment your bag/quilt put on your puffy layers over the thin long johns and a pair of booties or heavy fleece socks over the thin liner socks. It's painful to see the new generation of hikers having to learn all this again the hard way.
For making fires since you had a knife you need to learn how to make feather sticks. A feather stick is a length of wood which has been shaved to produce a cluster of thin curls protruding from the wood. It allows damp wood to be used to start a fire when dry tinder is hard to find
oh i process wood all the time. i was only having a fire if 10% effort would get it started. haha.. wasnt feeling the feathering/spliting.
Put the foam pad UNDER the blow-up pad. It helps keep the blow-up pad from sliding around.
thanks man!
If you put the pad on top of the air mattress you will insulate yourself better from the cold air in the mattress. More so than if you insulate the mattress from the ground which still allows the mattress to cool from the sides.
That spot looks incredible!
good to know. thanks!
Good stuff as always man! Us Grunts take a lot of crap for carrying "too much," but for me I'd rather not have to exfil from a camping trip because I'm worried about the weather. I'm often mad for not needing the gear and just carrying extra weight, but every now and then I actually need it and am stoked I brought it. I had "the thing" and was only sick for 3 days, but I did feel the effects for about two weeks after.
thanks! and thanks for sharing!
Packing for a colder trip this weekend and was torn on going lighter vs warmer. I think this comment has encouraged me to pack a bit heavier/warmer.
Winter camping in the sods takes work. But if you hit it right it’s worth it. Skimping on gear and worrying too much about weight for a winter load out is a big mistake imo. I’m kind of a gram weenie in three seasons but I don’t fuck around in the winter. There’s no shame in bailing when things go sideways. 🤙
Tnx a million for this video! It's of great value to us not-so-experienced hikers to see that every trip isn't perfect for you who are experienced. Makes it a little easier to handle my mistakes and failed trips.
im glad you found value in it! it happens to everyone! especially me. haha
So true
Parked at red creek in winter plenty of times for my circumnav trips. The trick to getting across red creek is to be patient and pick your spot you may not get to cross at the typical crossing but there is always a spot. Done both solo and with a group, with good amounts of snow on the ground almost every time. That being said winter camping is hard don’t give up on it hope to see you out there.
There is a reason they close the gates to Dolly Sods in winter, its a total different animal up there with the weather and wind. Me and some of my friends do trail maintenance on the Allegheny Trail and are out most of the winter car camping while do work. The weather can really change fast even at lower elevations in the mountains of West Virginia.
it really is
One of the most important mindsets of backpacking (especially solo) is to always strive for making the right decision, whether it's deciding between which mountainhouse meal to eat for dinner or whether or not you should have to bail on a trip in progress. I have had to do it multiple times, oddly enough both times at Dolly Sods and both times were within a few miles of where you were! First time I came down with the flu and the second time was for a huge kidney stone that kicked itself loose while camping on top of Lions Head. Something about the Sods man haha! Nice video and definitely a good lesson to people to strive to make that right decision should they ever have to make it.
I love this video! Thanks for being transparent. And…”the thing”….haha! Glad you’re feeling better.
Always! thank you
Anyone who gives you grief for bailing on a trip doesn’t know enough about backpacking or has some other personal problem. Everyone bails sometimes.
I bailed on an 80 mile hike because I made some mistakes crossing a river, lost my shoes and got injured. I bailed on a 55 mile hike last August cause I was showing signs of heat injury. My heart was set on finishing both times but quitting was totally the right move. Knowing when to call it and get out of there is a vital skill for backpackers, especially solo ones
Thanks for being “real.” When “up against the wall,” it’s always better to “live for another day.”
My wife (64) and I (66) attempted the Presidential Traverse of The White Mountains, NH this past August. We climbed Valley Way to Madison Hut. Awakened middle of the night from the howling wind, and heavy rain. Next morning was foggy, 15ft visibility and 80mph wind. We, along with three very experienced climbers bailed. Climbed back down Valley Way. Took shuttle to Lodge for the night. Climbed up Crawford Path next morning to Mitzpah Hut. Summited Mt. Jackson, then took Crawford down next morning. “Bookended” the Traverse, but felt like a failed trip since we never got to Mt. Washington.
Your video from The Sods gave me a sense of redemption. “Live for another day.”
(Or wasn’t there a 007 Bond movie titled, “Die Another Day?”)
Anyway, thanks Bryce.
Dolly Sods is so beautiful but you are right, the terrain..if I close my eyes I can feel each rock and all the mud😅😅 I would've bounced too.
haha.. not always enjoyable area
I love that you shared this with us all! I can totally relate as I had a similar experience in January in Washington. We couldn't get a fire going for longer than about 10 minutes and my feet were so cold from snow shoeing to our camp. I considered that trip a good learning experience for cold weather and my chance at redemption is next weekend!
I came across this video long after it was published. I have done this a few times- too cold or bored. I’ve done a lot of in the teens overnights to figure out how to stay warm. I’ve made the same mistake- put on all my layers and then froze. You sweat in those layers then it makes you cold. It’s better to wear less, and stuff the gaps in your bag with the extra clothes. Also- I drink hot cocoa to warm me from inside, and put hot water in my Nalgene and keep it in a wool sock against my body while I sleep.
But- I also learned if you’re not enjoying it, bailing isn’t a failure.
I had a night like that at Thomas Knob shelter near Mt Rogers in VA. It was in October and it snowed. It was so windy, I had to sit up in my tent all night to keep it from breaking the poles and blowing over. I don’t know what the temp was but I had every layer of clothes I brought with me on. The next night wasn’t so bad when I went to a lower elevation. I probably would have bailed too if I was closer to the car.
oh i know that shelter. it looks like it could get windy up there for sure
The next time I go around to that side of The Sods, I'll need to try and find that camp spot and check it out first hand.
its a good one!
Did a backpacking trip on the A.T. in Vermont last year when I had the thing but didn't know I had the thing. Started with a 1,000 foot climb and it rained the whole time. Worst trip ever. Thought I was being a baby until someone challenged me to get tested...yup, no wonder I felt so awful.
As you were getting more torn about what to do, the word "hypothermia" kept running through my mind. Glad you did what you thought was best. You made the right decision.
thanks! i think so too
I had hypothermia when I was younger and car camping. Thought I had my winter bag, ended up accidentally bringing my spring bag. Got down to 5 degrees F and I couldn't stop shivering all the next day. I recently called an overnight trip with my daughter not because of the temps, but the wind was not letting up. I planned for it by doing a loop hike and making camp close to the car. Good video!
thanks! and oh i cant even imagine bringing the wrong bag..brr. and when the kids are involved, if its not fun its time to bail. good call
Takes some guts even attempting to go to the dolly sods in the winter. Last time we were I the sods in the summer we got flooded out of camp and had to cross red creek in high water. We agreed to never go there in the winter or spring with the snow melt. Not to mention the temps. Nice work man!!!
Is that a zero degree Hammock Gear quilt? I just got their 40 degree and freaking love it. Love it so much I'm thinking about getting the zero degree for this winter.
I think being willing to make the call to bail is a good thing. And even more important to show so others feel like they can make the same call when needed. Great video!
Not a fail, more like a learning/teaching moment…no matter what, trust your gut feeling. Thanks for being genuine.
thanks!
I few suggestions for the cold, handwarmers in your socks, an insulation foil mat under your air mat, star jumps. I could see that you had gotten cold as you didn't wan to cook, a hot drink made from a stock cube may have helped.
good tips
@@BryceNewbold thanks, I learnt the hard way, after spending a night shivering all night, never again
Need to just do all movements in your base layers with a thin beanie and gloves. Add warming layers after your finished moving slowly through the day. Much respect for sharing your learned lessons with us and keeping it real!
Yeah. As soon as you woke up cold I was thinking you were probably sick. Stay well. Thanks for the video. Thanks for letting us know it's ok to go home!
Nothing wrong with bailing out! I bailed one time in Red River Gorge KY and passed Outdoor Adventures' campsite. He was in his hammock, toasty (I assume because he seemed to be talking to his camera) while I was getting out of dodge.
haha! thats funny.. make sure next time you yell at him and mess up his shot.
I would suggest less layers. It's best practice to put on a fresh dry layer when getting into your sleeping bag. If your close are damp at all. You risk being cold all night.
I also sometimes wonder if too many layers adds constriction to blood flow making things colder
@@neilquinn yes too many layers can also make you cold.
Always go with your gut. Very much enjoyed the video and the debrief at the end. I know you said that you probably had a cold or something but just curious did you eat enough to let your body keep it's warmth. On those cold nights I have to eat right before I climb in for the night or else I wake up myself up. In winter too, I enjoy some hot tea before bed to warm up. Get's the bag warmer faster. Could also be a billion things like the xlite pad or down shifting all the usual crap. Who knows 🤷♂️
Thanks dude. And yea I actually ate a ton. Something just didn't feel right. In hindsight I was definitely just sick plain and simple. Could definitely use an xterm however. Haha. I've had this one pretty low and it's ok. But it's the warmest I have. 👍👍
I remember one trip few years ago. I went hiking with my dog, it was mid january. -22 celsius(-7.6 fahrenheit) and made some firewood with my down jacket on me. One treebranch ripped my jacket a huge hole. I couldnt use that so i put my heavy fleece on and sit by the fire. I had one very cold beer with me, did drink that, but it was like icy smoothie. My dog was all warm( Finnish Lapphund) but i didnt like it very much. Now years after, it was funny trip but at the time didnt feel that good 😅
I've been in your situation before. Props to staying calm and rational. It's essential if you're by yourself. I'm not sure how much I can endorse ultralight kit for a place like Dolly Sods in the winter, though. I'd save that for warmer days and sacrifice 10 pounds of pack weight for added comfort/personal safety. Just my thoughts. Great video, cheers
Have to agree with you....hiking Dolly Sods is like hiking thru jello. Your pace is definitely a lot slower then most other trails.
yes!
No reason to suffer and probably a good idea to bail. Shivering at night is no fun. Were you cold the night before in the truck? It could just be that long term exposure to moderate cold added up over time. (I notice this when diving in cold water for several days in a row). I'm def heading up to the sods in a month or so here once it warms up!
I was cold watching this! No way I would have stayed either! Headed to the Sods end of April for the first time. Fingers crossed for good weather.
More clothes make warm feet and hands. I have an xxl down Jacket and shell to fit over other medium sized layers without compressing.
The air in the inflatable mattress will circulate and cool unlike the closed cell pad. Closed cell on top thank you.
oh that makes sense.. thanks!
Did an over night in the sods this year during the last week in Feb lows down to 12. Can relate to wind and wet wood. Fire was very hard to start. I had wool bases, 3 fleece, two puffies, two beanies, and wool socks with a 15 liner, r 4.5, and 15 bag and slept with it all. I think three people in the tent helped. No shame in bailing! Sweet vid 🤙
I enjoy it to a point but I think type 2 fun only gets you so far. Better safe than sorry, you're in kinda deep when ya chance it in the cold. Thanks for sharing the adventure, even if it wasn't ideal.
thanks vince!
Maybe a winter tent, double-walled with good ventilation, as you already know you sleep cold? That looked like a 2-season tent. A new pair of socks to warm your feet after hiking? A stove to make hot coffee or other drinks. Also, you kept acknowledging you were indecisive - next time take a breath, take a knee, and then think about your last experience with that headspace. Then if your body is compromised you should bail. Take care.
What’s up Bryce? I have bailed a few times myself. Multiple car camping trips, a solo backpacking trip and a mutual backpacking trip. On both those backpacking trips it was because of the cold. There’s a point where it’s just not worth it especially if it’s risky. I think you made a good call. Chalk it up to a little more experience. Next time you can knock it out of the park.
Hey man! Yes probably a good call. Thanks!
I just had a poor camping trip this weekend too. Car camping, but I forgot my stuff to cook my food, so I just ate snacks. Called it quits pretty early in the morning rather than chill at camp.
Dolly Sods is absolutely magical, but whoa attempting in winter… there’s always wind. I was wondering if you were coming down with something but instead you were still recovering. You def made the right call or I think you would have had a miserable sleepless night.
Thanks! Take care
I have always (OK sometimes) wanted to hike up in Canada and apparently the Sods is the closest thing we have to that in the US. Likewise the elevations are fairly similar to what we have here in NC. I need to check it out (but probably not in the Winter).
Years ago when my kids were much younger we were car camping in a state park and we just threw our freestanding tents up because we wanted to do a certain hike before it got dark. When we came back, our tents were obviously displaced - That night we had 45 -50 mph winds consistently - we slept in the car, there were branches and crap flying around everywhere. Always go w/your gut...
Brother is far as I’m concerned he made the right decision. I have had warmer trips and much colder trips than yours and when you decide it’s wrong it’s wrong. Part of your knowledge and ability to sustain is knowing when to call it. I have had trips in the single digits and stayed out and trips around freezing they kicked my ass…… as always thanks for a great video, taking us with you & most importantly don’t let it get to you
Thanks Mark. i really appreciate it.
You did ur best!! And it's always good to listen to that little voice nagging u. Sometimes what we can't see will save our lives or just plain protect us. Maybe investigate that hunch u had and try to find it's source someday soon. It may get louder next time and guide u thru lotsa stuff and situations!! Be blessed!
Still enjoyed the video. It definitely makes you more approachable to see that not all of your hikes are rainbows and sunshine. I'm getting my popcorn ready now waiting to read all the 'noob advice' comments you are going to get. This should be fun
haha! thanks. and yes the comments have been mostly positive suprisingly!
Get yourself a lightweight winter tent. It makes a huge difference! That’s a warm weather tent bro. Check out the Marmot Fortress ul 2P. Well worth the price. I highly recommend it. Don’t be cheap
As a PNW hiker, I ve bailed due to cold rain more then any reason. When your wet...and your sleeping system is damp...it can be dangerous. I've also bailed early for beer...being warm and having beer is always a temptation.
i can totally see bailing in the PNW. and beer is the best reason. lol
I was laughing and shaking my head the whole time lol, because I was in a T-shirt and shorts backpacking in South Carolina ha ha!
Haha yea I noticed that. I watched your video yesterday with envy
Before I had Covid I could walk around in a tshirt in 30 degree weather. This may be a little twisted but I loved when my hands and legs went numb from the cold. It didn’t bother me, if anything It made me feel freaking alive. I could feel my core holding and preserving heat, in pure survival mode. I used to love to test myself like that. After Covid I now shiver when it gets in the low 60s and upper 50s. I mentally and physically can’t stand the cold anymore. I hope to one day get my tolerance back but worry that it never will.
Same here from tick diseases - I have no cold tolerance anymore sadly. Living in Wisconsin it makes winters quite difficult!
@@AllThingsConsidered333 sorry to hear that. Hope you get your tolerance back one day. I know tick diseases are probably far worse than what I went through but I was able to get mine back just by exposing my self to the cold over and over again and over again.
@@gardenfox93 I have built up a fair amount of cold weather gear - at least clothing related. If I later properly then it’s not too bad in the moment but I do get more body pain afterwards.
Looking for a backpacking tent & bag/pad for cold weather/winter trips.. I haven’t done that yet, just hiking in the snow & cold but I want to start.
When I used to run, I would regularly run in cold weather/winter so I know I CAN do it, just have to be smarter about it now
I live in Ocean City MD and ive been surfing winters most of my life.When your core temp drops alarms need to go off. It isn't as easy as putting on a jacket and getting warm to get it back up. It takes time to elevate that core back. You were smart to leave. It wasn't a fail. It was a success. Hypothermia was a factor and your experience paid dividends. Love Dolly Sods. Killer video.
yea i agree with you. i dont think my core would of warmed up in that condition. thanks!
With hiking and doing it long enough . Your trips build a subconscious knowing of how things are to go and how they go correctly. If a trip is bad . Your mind and body will let you know . You will pick up on it . Everything feels off and different, not as it should be . It's always best to listen to your mind and body . It knows even if you are unsure . Safety above all else is best .
At least you tried I think it was a very smart move I was actually in the same situation in 18° weather camping below freezing is no joke it's all good buddy save your energy for spring and summer
thanks man. and yes i think im ready for spring now. haha
I’m 60 and still learning…kinda knew that you weren’t going to be warm enough carrying a 17 lb pack. Wind can be a beatch.
Considering you went out on your own, I think you made the right decision. Sometimes indecision is helping you to recognize something else is going on. Nothing wrong at all with bailing. There are no fails on the trail, especially when your health and life are part of the equation. Good on you for doing what ended up being the correct thing.
thanks jason!
Thermarest foam pad on top of the Nemo Tensor Insulated has always worked for me. Set it up at home sometime and see how much less you slide around. That alone was worth it for me. Northeast Ohio tarp user in winter months
that sounds pretty good.. i actually think my tensor insulated is pretty cold though. i think the neoair is way warmer but doubling up the tensor sounds way comfier. haha
@@BryceNewbold I just began using the thermarest foam atop the Nemo a few years ago. I always slid off the Nemo throughout the night. Very little to no sliding now.
I camped at Findley State Park a few weeks back under a tarp and the Tensor/Thermarest stack kept me plenty warm at 13F. I’ve never tried the NeoAir but may do so once the Nemo is retired in a few years. Heard really great things about the NeoAir from all you great RUclips folks!
Thanks for the content man!
I realized I was sick as hell 9k feet up the side of Mauna Loa. Back in town, when I got tested, it was corona. Sometimes, you just have to admit defeat and get out.
At least ya got the chance to get out there I won’t even go outside if it’s 35 degrees out have fun stay safe broski
truth. thanks!
A wise man is one who trusts his instincts :-). Good call. As a property owner up there, I spend a lot of time in Dolly Sods and the weather....oh the weather! We have had to leave our fully stocked permanent camp due to weather. But hey, that is why we love it. Bye - fanny packs rule.
One of the few times being overweight helps LOL! I am 6ft and about 230 lbs and my comfort threshold for winter camping is about zero degree's Fahrenheit. I did Mohican about 5-6 weeks ago and it was around -2 at its coldest. Trust me, it was cold AF, but there was also no wind. I stayed warm mostly because I have that good ol' built in insulation on my body LOL! But the fact there was no wind really really helped a lot too. I remember waking up around 3am and it so quiet, the only thing you could hear was the trees popping all around me, because it was so cold. The only time I thought about bailing in the winter is when I got my socks/shoes/feet wet at Lake Vesuvius, and it was below freezing in the middle of the afternoon! I was scared I was going to get frostbite. Feet ended up drying out and I was about 6 miles from my car, so I'm glad I waited it out, but I was very very nervous the whole day-it kinda ruined the trip for me honestly. Sorry about you getting "The Thing LOL" that sucks, and definitely never helps, even if you felt fine going in.
thanks for sharing! were you at mohican when we had all that snow? and yea i could use alittle extra "insulation" for these winter camps. they arent always that fun for me. haha.
@@BryceNewbold I did! It was a day or two after, did campsite #5. Had to quite literally shovel out a place to set up our tent. It turned out to be a beautiful day though.
I swear dolly sods is impossibly cold.
No matter if it’s the middle of summer it’ll feel like it’s below freezing at night.
I feel like it’s the wind that causes it.
ive had good luck on weather there other than rain. But ive heard horror stories of the wind. haha.
Thanks for your honesty, it’s good to see you made the right call. You knew that your body wasn’t feeling up to it. There’s nothing wrong with doing what you feel is best for YOU! My first solo overnighter I actually got scared and bailed. 😆 I worked my way back up to it and have never looked back
I got a bit scared my first time too. Haha. Thanks
LOL man I get that “bailing feeling” all the time. What is that?!?! Too many solos and repeat trips for me I think. And stopping too early; sometime I set up at 3pm then think “now what?”
yea i think thats why i hike so many miles when im off on a big multi day solo. setting up at 3 kinda sucks. haha.. untill i get really tired i just like to hike all day so i dont get bored
Just came across your channel! Good shit. Great sense humor keep it up. And can relate. “ Ah,ah there it is… the thought of bailing.” Was on the SHT north shore over packed weight, lost my water filter, yup very short trip Lolol
You were definitely still sick, it’s actually a very useful video, thank you 👍
I didn’t hear you say the temperature but I backpacked the St Marks in Florida at 29 deg F and it was no big deal but I did hike with my EE Torrent on. Good on you for bailing. Just do the safest thing.
not sure exactly . with the wind it felt like negative degrees F
There's nothing wrong with bailing on a trip, we've all done it for one reason or another. I was at Mohican, site 10 with my hammock, it was cold and windy. Tried to setup my hammock and it turned into a sail. I couldn't get the tarp deployed due to the wind either. So decision was made to drive the 1hr 15min back home. Gotta do what you gotta do! Thanks for sharing Bryce! -dave
oh yea site 10 gets some wind for sure!. thanks dave
Love the video Bryce. Thanks for the bonus material. In my opinion you responded very professionally indeed. Keep it up man, and thanks for taking us with you on your wins and loses.
Hey!! I was planning Dolly Sods for this past week, but due to the weather we winter camped near Spruce Knob. Below zero temps and crazy wind.
Tips for staying warm. Hot hands. Down booties. Battery operated warm clothing.
I'm over Dolly Sods. It was adventurous the first time. It was brutal the second time. Third time I realized there's better trails to lay my feet upon with just as good views.
i should be over it . ive had so many bad moments there. haha! .. and the hiking, although beautiful, kinda sucks. haha
First, you didn't change your socks before getting in the bag. They were probably holding a lot of moisture from those waterproof shoes after hiking in. Next, being static for 14 hours will make you colder than if you were static for 8 hours. Finally, going in with a high level of doubt tends to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Tell yourself you can't, and you'll be right.
The symptoms you described do sound like my single day experience with "the thing". Had about four or six hours of chills on day one. Kayaked 11 miles in 34 degree temps day two. Hiked up and down Mt. LeConte for about 13 miles on day three. Snowshoed about 7 miles on Roan Mountain on day four. Then again, I'm about 20 years older than you and hadn't taken the stuff that is supposed to help with the thing. However, I believe getting active helped me get over the thing sooner. I still miss the Barry White voice it gave me for a few days. I was looking at doing voice over work until it went away.
I did a winter trip to Citico about 8 years ago that was supposed to get into the teens. Had a headache, but figured it was stress. The teens ended up being minus 7 F, so I left camp in the middle of the night. Got home to discover a 102 degree fever.
good insight. thanks! and thanks for sharing
@@BryceNewbold Thick dry socks make quite a difference. The breadbag trick works too, as will a couple of silnylon stuff sacks under your socks.
If I'm not hiking far on the first day, I start later. It's harder to stay warm hanging around camp than carrying a pack.
It’s all about options…you ensured you had them. Big win in my book. 🤓
thanks Kriz! appreciate it
I recently had the "thing" (2 months ago). I have been struggling with low body temperature since then (about a .5-.8 degree drop in core temperature). I think it has been slowly improving. I did a snow/winter camp this last weekend, and was very nervous about it. Its an internal cold that is very hard to shake or overcome. Your video is the first mention of a possible similar situation I have come across. Knock on wood, I think I'm at the end of it.
hmmn. interesting.
Been to dolly sods dozens of times. I have bailed before myself. A few personal assumptions I verified after watching:
1. Dolly sods is not nearly as fun when you’re by yourself.
2. The trail system there makes it too enticing to bail. There are many opportunities to bailout rather than having to directly backtrack. Conversely, my main appeal is to just go out there without a plan and wing it. Because the trail system is so interconnected.
3. The weather certainly is entirely unpredictable, and really does it’s best to beat you up. Windy in July is awesome. Windy in the dead of winter…blows
i agree with all of that. 100%
I am planning a trip to DS for this fall and I am looking at starting at Red Creek Campground as well and doing a similar route to what you have done. Can you share the exact trail numbers/ route you did?
Where is the big water crossing for Red Creek at?
On this video I just did an out and back from blackbird knob trailhead. Not the easiest way because u need a permit for overnight parking. Bear rocks/red creek trail heads don't require this. Also make sure u check out the video I post soon. It's done but just waiting on some things to post. I did a decent loop and have an animated map following me so it would be really good for research. It shows red creek crossing as well. . Which is about 1.7 miles from the trail head. Video should be up soon once sponsor gets back with me.
Was it really windy Bryce???? The tents not moving and the trees aren't swaying, LOL
First thing you need to do drink hot liquids. Then eat high-fat foods they get the furnace working. You're cold and you're eating cold food you'll get colder. Practice your fire making in bad weather. All of those things will help you in the future. Before you're getting your sleeping bag do jumping jacks to warm up your core then get in your sleeping bag you'll be warm. Don't go camping when you're sick!
true true. i actually am pretty good at fire making. but in this case i only wanted to have a fire if it would start with 10% effort. haha!! did not feel like processing wood
Wear your rain gear for insulation. An actual sleeping bag instead of a quilt is necessary for cold winter camping. Nalgene with boiling water is clutch. Down booties are awesome.
good tips.
Hey Bryce check out Coal Cracker Bushcraft for fire starting techniques/hints for them conditions. Helped me out tremendously and it is definitely necessary to have fire-warmth in that kind of weather
ive watched him a bunch actually! and i know alot of good techiniques but on this trip i decided i only wanted a fire if i could put in 10% effort to get it started.. haha .. didnt feel like feathering or spliting anything.
Maybe a few more pounds in your pack could have made you warmer. Down booties, down hood, a few more and heavier layers especially for night. And get a 3+ season tent if you’re going to backpack in cold, windy areas. When I saw you weigh out at 17 lbs to a trip to the Monongahela Natl forest in Feb I knew you were in trouble.
haha.. yea down booties would of helped but after i closed the gaps under the tarp i think my feet would of been ok. On a non windy trip this kit would have easily taken me down to single digits.. but dolly sods says no!...
honestly if my core would have been normal and not post-sickness i probably would have been fine. but you're not wrong. I will not underestimate monongahela winter backpacking anymore. haha
@@BryceNewbold Mt Rogers on SW Va AT is another trip that helps you appreciate the difference between cold and REALLY COLD. And seriously, use a tent! Tarps just make me cold looking at them.
You know it is one thing to push through some discomfort to meet an end goal but if for some reason your gut says bail its all good.
I live in Sweden. Cold temps with icy, hard wind is really brutal. Bailing was the right choice! Take care of yourself first. You have always the choice of not uploading something if that’s an issue.
sweden looks cold! and yes i will always upload though. im not afraid to share any experience and its good TV right? .. haha
Hot water in a water bottle in your sleeping bag or rocks warmed by the fire and wrapped in something that wont melt if they are too hot.
I'm all about the fanny pack! I don't have one, but I am seriously thinking about getting one. It just makes sense. The stigma of it in the '90s is something that I'm willing to accept. I guess I'm getting old now 😮💨
if you're into them then go for it. i can't lie.. the usability is much better than small hip pockets.
Just my two cents worth but that tent is just not made for winter camping, glad you're okay bro, I know exactly where that stone seat is at dolly sods, I'm trying to get into winter camping myself so it's good thing I posted this
You were smart enough to listen to that voice in your head saying “Don’t stay!”
Most people try to tough it out and usually end up worse off than if they had just packed it up and left. No S&R involved so that’s a good thing.
There is no shame in turning around. You know your PRP better than anyone.
A couple of things I noticed is it seems you left your layers you hiked in next to your skin. I change everything at camp to dry as that can help preserve your core temp. I think that contributed to the core temp issue you were having. Plus I bet that place was gonna be single digits to sub zero over night. That snow line you showed had to at least be below freezing to stick around. Maybe you didn’t bring warm enough gear for the temps you were going to have to deal with. Another good reason to go.
I’ve got a pretty sweet fire video on my channel. Simple and would have gotten that kindling going.
Thanks for the honesty. Actually cool place. Got the same tent. It’s amazing! Greetings from Utah! 🤙
Good to see wisdom prevail.
You have to eat and drink lots of fluids specially hot drinks the other thing is that your sleeping bag or quilt should be at least 20degree more then you think
We all have that love hate thing with the Sods don't we. So awesome there but the wet and rocks just gets so old. Summer I use the fanny with my Lite AF multiday 30 in the warmer months and its great. I don't use the hip/fanny at all to carry the weight, just tighten slightly. Works great since I'm really lightweight in the summer. Sorry about all that misunderstanding last week. I felt bad but I was also rolling when I saw all the comments. lol
the rocks get so old there! for real. and i think a liteAF 30 would be the perfect summer size. And not a problem man. to be honest sometimes when i get hate I just think its super funny. I was actually loving it. haha!! few comments really get to me anymore. yours did not. its even funnier now since we figured out u were messing with us. lol
I love this video, Bryce! So much realness. 14 hours on your back in the cold does not sound like fun. I've finally admitted that cold weather backpacking is not for me!
Keeping it real- made the right decision- appreciate the video!
thanks barb!
Haha, maaan, Dolly Sods is the only place I have bailed. That is one weird location. It's beckoning, yet punishing. Even after spending hours in torential rain and knee deep mud, I still want to go back and complete the loop.
haha... it lures you in with its beauty then sucker punches you.
Foam pad on top works better. I literally just learned this. Good, honest video, Bryce!
Nice! Thanks man👍👍
We have all done it! Love Dolly, seems wetter every year. Im headed down to Roaring Plans (under Dolly) next month.
i almost did that section actually.
@@BryceNewbold we planned it a few yrs ago, but almost got washed away in Red Creek in the Sods. Everything was wet so we bailed on the Plains. Looking forward to it!
The THING! I'm calling it that now
haha!!
Bro, you haven’t actually done Dolly Sods if you haven’t been there when the weather sucks lol. Good call bailing. Myself, my wife and a couple friends went in 2021 and had to bail because of an absolute downpour then the tempts dropped quick! It was the best decision lol. Great video because it helps us all learn from each other’s experiences 🤙🏼
thanks man! its like dolly sods trys to scare us all away. haha
Me and my Grandma where up there that weekend... we made it through the night in 40 degrees bags.....
hope it warms up by then! you should be good.