I have a loyalist Luna Wolves legion. They are themed around the Siege of Terra, with a heavy emphasis on MKIII armor. The lore behind it: There was a company of Luna Wolves was doing cross-legion work with the Ultramarines/Word Bearers. They were at the betrayal of Calth, and helped the Ultramarines fight against the Word Bearers. Once they had resolved their duty, they were on their way to back Terra when they happened upon some Iron Fists who were tasked with arresting the company due to other events in the heresy. The Luna Wolves ended up imprisoned on Luna, then transferred to Terra for further interrogation. The company remained loyal, and upon the siege of terra, Loken spoke to the company and they were then granted their freedom under the blessing of malcador. The company took the moniker: 97th company, and kept their Luna wolves colors, White with the Black trim. They still bear their XVI numeration, but have foregone the Luna wolf symbology and rather use a crescent moon. In the siege of terra they fought on the first walls to the last, having taken part in the initial defense of the lions gate space port, and the remaining space marines (which is my army, 80 space marines, 2 contenmptor dreads, and various leaders/heroes/champions) are what we’ve found in the ruins of terra. Some stragglers are still being found, but the site of terra only ended a few weeks ago, so more stragglers are being pulled from the ruins.
My iron warriors use mark 6, they are "Inductii" hastily rushed through training to replace casualties and looked down upon by the veterans, hence they have to earn the "real" armour patterns
Out of all the legions... Iron Warriors kinda are already the easiest to fill as the gene seed has amongst the highest if not THE highest acceptance rates as is.
During Heresy it was common practice to mixing several MK of armor together. It is a dark and desperate time, after all. And about MK VII, MK VIII armor. Do a minor conversion. Shave the Aquila. Add/remade/cut off panels/cables/studs. Swap helmets/pauldrons/weapons. Say it is experemental stuff freshly stolen from marsians. It is YOUR choice how to make YOURE army. But making it unic is easiest way yo make it AWESOME. Even in 40K to each part, that changed on model, you can add entire story. "This helmet was salvage on barren fields of Istvaan V". That's why that Iron Warriors proud to have MK VI beak on his nose!
@@ForwardUntoDuskjust because one person said something on Reddit doesn’t make it true. The Iron Warriors hated Mk6 because it was anathema to their doctrine of close combat attrition. The only ones that would have used it were the scouts companies that received the prototypes - most of the IW scouts used Mk4. Again, because they absolutely hated Mk6
The video I’ve been searching for. I’m working on a mid crusade Ultramarines force and it is great fun researching the types of armor, weapons, and vehicles that would be most common at that time and building with lore-accuracy in mind. Wish they had Mk II tactical squads.
My first squad leader I painted a bright red strip down his chest to his belt to give him some character like a custom marking that’s important to him back home and the trailer for HH 2.0 gave me an Awesome idea for a banner bearer from one dude in the final shot.
Hey, thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences... I know it's add a lot more of work, but I would be cool to see pictures of your armies as you talk about them....
Thanks for the great chat. Awesome listening. Agreed around the marks of armour thing. I think it's fair if people want to do a certain theme, but the gatekeeping stuff around it is confusing and unnecessary.
Having a narrative army has two consequences. On the one hand is it very interesting and positive at a personal level on the other you may be losing a lot of games because the list is not as optimal as you may think. If I am hones, I do rather enjoy building an army with some history behind it than just winning every single game.
It’s not really a consequence. People who make narrative armies aren’t playing competitive, they’re playing narrative against other narrative players While those that do are a fraction of the people building/playing narrative 30k.
Не про Ересь Хоруса, он о тематических армиях. Собираю Йанден. Всех своих эльдар стараюсь сделать с элементами врайтконструктов. Байкеры. Экипажи танков. Орудийные платформы. Всё что можно заменить, не вредя тематике армии, я стараюсь поменять. Каждый боец на счету, каждый из них - последний. Мы воскресим всех, кто может помочь. Not about the Horus Heresy, it's about themed armies. Collecting Yanden. I try to make all my Eldar with elements of wrightconstructs. Bikers. Tank crews. Gun platforms. Everything that can be replaced without harming the theme of the army, I try to change. Each fighter counts, each of them is the last one. We will resurrect everyone who can help.
Not helpful at all. You just talk about things without showing examples, you don’t reference anywhere to find lore articles or lore resources and it would be helpful if you threw out ideas for each legion maybe to get cool ideas flowing. It’s like you just sat down and winged this instead of coming to the camera prepared with helpful examples.
Not helpful at all. You just talk about things without showing examples, you don’t reference anywhere to find lore articles or lore resources and it would be helpful if you threw out ideas for each legion maybe to get cool ideas flowing.
The amour marks thing is classic sunk cost fallacy and gatekeeping. It sucks but just because you spent hundreds even thousands on pretty lacklustre and poorly proportioned models, mostly made of terrible forgeworld resin, doesn't mean you can be butthurt about the Noob with an Age of Darkness box with 60 mark VI, the best looking marines ever made, in glorious plastic. I've even started hearing hobby snobbery about the Tanks, you aren't allowed to convert Horus Heresy tanks now, they need to look factory stock. On an unrelated note these cheaper awesome new plastic kits are far easier to convert.
No. It's what GW wrote. It's rolled out towards the end of the heresy, with mk 7 in development at around the same time it was pushed out. There's only like a whole 60 book series talking about this on and off lol. Logically speaking, only the armies present at the istvaan III massacre should have access to it as only the Raven guard had any substantial amount of the suit. Full on mk VI outside of RG and maaaaybe alpha legion should be practically inexistent. But mk V featuring mk VI parts for the istvaan armies is a different story. The most prevalent armor mark around at the time will be MK 2 and MK 5. These bozos are fighting a civil war with very difficult supply situations. It's gonna be either the old suits or jury rigged suits as their techmarine work overdrive to keep the logistics going. Or do you think the legions, either rushing to Terra or busy being surrounded somehow has an instant warp tunnel to the forge worlds that produce the mk VI armor? And if you are worried about price and cost. Don't! Get a printer, or befriend someone with one. It's waaaay cheaper getting authentic marks than buying the mk VI kits, and if you know where to look, the results will be even better than the official stuff.
I have a loyalist Luna Wolves legion. They are themed around the Siege of Terra, with a heavy emphasis on MKIII armor. The lore behind it: There was a company of Luna Wolves was doing cross-legion work with the Ultramarines/Word Bearers. They were at the betrayal of Calth, and helped the Ultramarines fight against the Word Bearers. Once they had resolved their duty, they were on their way to back Terra when they happened upon some Iron Fists who were tasked with arresting the company due to other events in the heresy. The Luna Wolves ended up imprisoned on Luna, then transferred to Terra for further interrogation. The company remained loyal, and upon the siege of terra, Loken spoke to the company and they were then granted their freedom under the blessing of malcador. The company took the moniker: 97th company, and kept their Luna wolves colors, White with the Black trim. They still bear their XVI numeration, but have foregone the Luna wolf symbology and rather use a crescent moon. In the siege of terra they fought on the first walls to the last, having taken part in the initial defense of the lions gate space port, and the remaining space marines (which is my army, 80 space marines, 2 contenmptor dreads, and various leaders/heroes/champions) are what we’ve found in the ruins of terra. Some stragglers are still being found, but the site of terra only ended a few weeks ago, so more stragglers are being pulled from the ruins.
My iron warriors use mark 6, they are "Inductii" hastily rushed through training to replace casualties and looked down upon by the veterans, hence they have to earn the "real" armour patterns
Out of all the legions... Iron Warriors kinda are already the easiest to fill as the gene seed has amongst the highest if not THE highest acceptance rates as is.
I feel it's important to point this out. The iron warriors used mark 6 just as much as other legions it just wasn't their favourite.
During Heresy it was common practice to mixing several MK of armor together. It is a dark and desperate time, after all.
And about MK VII, MK VIII armor. Do a minor conversion. Shave the Aquila. Add/remade/cut off panels/cables/studs. Swap helmets/pauldrons/weapons. Say it is experemental stuff freshly stolen from marsians.
It is YOUR choice how to make YOURE army. But making it unic is easiest way yo make it AWESOME.
Even in 40K to each part, that changed on model, you can add entire story.
"This helmet was salvage on barren fields of Istvaan V".
That's why that Iron Warriors proud to have MK VI beak on his nose!
@@ForwardUntoDuskjust because one person said something on Reddit doesn’t make it true.
The Iron Warriors hated Mk6 because it was anathema to their doctrine of close combat attrition. The only ones that would have used it were the scouts companies that received the prototypes - most of the IW scouts used Mk4.
Again, because they absolutely hated Mk6
@@ForwardUntoDuskpretty sure they threw the whole lot at the Raven guard after determining it absolute rubbish.
The video I’ve been searching for.
I’m working on a mid crusade Ultramarines force and it is great fun researching the types of armor, weapons, and vehicles that would be most common at that time and building with lore-accuracy in mind. Wish they had Mk II tactical squads.
My first squad leader I painted a bright red strip down his chest to his belt to give him some character like a custom marking that’s important to him back home and the trailer for HH 2.0 gave me an Awesome idea for a banner bearer from one dude in the final shot.
Hey, thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences... I know it's add a lot more of work, but I would be cool to see pictures of your armies as you talk about them....
Would love to have seen pics of the seige of Terra world eaters conversions.
Thanks for the great chat. Awesome listening. Agreed around the marks of armour thing. I think it's fair if people want to do a certain theme, but the gatekeeping stuff around it is confusing and unnecessary.
Good conversation, but maybe you could show some pictures of what you're talking about -?
Having a narrative army has two consequences. On the one hand is it very interesting and positive at a personal level on the other you may be losing a lot of games because the list is not as optimal as you may think. If I am hones, I do rather enjoy building an army with some history behind it than just winning every single game.
It’s not really a consequence. People who make narrative armies aren’t playing competitive, they’re playing narrative against other narrative players
While those that do are a fraction of the people building/playing narrative 30k.
Не про Ересь Хоруса, он о тематических армиях.
Собираю Йанден. Всех своих эльдар стараюсь сделать с элементами врайтконструктов.
Байкеры. Экипажи танков. Орудийные платформы. Всё что можно заменить, не вредя тематике армии, я стараюсь поменять.
Каждый боец на счету, каждый из них - последний. Мы воскресим всех, кто может помочь.
Not about the Horus Heresy, it's about themed armies.
Collecting Yanden. I try to make all my Eldar with elements of wrightconstructs.
Bikers. Tank crews. Gun platforms. Everything that can be replaced without harming the theme of the army, I try to change.
Each fighter counts, each of them is the last one. We will resurrect everyone who can help.
Not helpful at all. You just talk about things without showing examples, you don’t reference anywhere to find lore articles or lore resources and it would be helpful if you threw out ideas for each legion maybe to get cool ideas flowing. It’s like you just sat down and winged this instead of coming to the camera prepared with helpful examples.
Not helpful at all. You just talk about things without showing examples, you don’t reference anywhere to find lore articles or lore resources and it would be helpful if you threw out ideas for each legion maybe to get cool ideas flowing.
The amour marks thing is classic sunk cost fallacy and gatekeeping. It sucks but just because you spent hundreds even thousands on pretty lacklustre and poorly proportioned models, mostly made of terrible forgeworld resin, doesn't mean you can be butthurt about the Noob with an Age of Darkness box with 60 mark VI, the best looking marines ever made, in glorious plastic.
I've even started hearing hobby snobbery about the Tanks, you aren't allowed to convert Horus Heresy tanks now, they need to look factory stock. On an unrelated note these cheaper awesome new plastic kits are far easier to convert.
No. It's what GW wrote. It's rolled out towards the end of the heresy, with mk 7 in development at around the same time it was pushed out. There's only like a whole 60 book series talking about this on and off lol.
Logically speaking, only the armies present at the istvaan III massacre should have access to it as only the Raven guard had any substantial amount of the suit.
Full on mk VI outside of RG and maaaaybe alpha legion should be practically inexistent. But mk V featuring mk VI parts for the istvaan armies is a different story.
The most prevalent armor mark around at the time will be MK 2 and MK 5. These bozos are fighting a civil war with very difficult supply situations. It's gonna be either the old suits or jury rigged suits as their techmarine work overdrive to keep the logistics going. Or do you think the legions, either rushing to Terra or busy being surrounded somehow has an instant warp tunnel to the forge worlds that produce the mk VI armor?
And if you are worried about price and cost. Don't! Get a printer, or befriend someone with one. It's waaaay cheaper getting authentic marks than buying the mk VI kits, and if you know where to look, the results will be even better than the official stuff.
My thoughts are:
If u like it use it idgaf