Angel 2x2 Are You Now or Have You Ever Been Reaction | First Time Watching
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- Angel 2x2 Are You Now or Have You Ever Been Reaction | First Time Watching
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In the 1950s, Angel aids a woman hiding from her past in a hotel with a long history of death and mayhem. In the present, Angel hunts a demon.
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As Doyle said in the first episode "we've all got something to atone for".
Angel's for his crimes in the past
Cordelia's for the way she acted in school
Wesley's for failing as a watcher to Faith
Gunn's for failing his sister
It's fitting then that their new base of operations should also have things to atone for.
Wes "This is a house of evil"
Angel "Not anymore"
I love this episode. That farewell between Angel and Judy always gets me choked up.
It's a beautiful moment when Judy asks to be forgiven and Angel grants it. That, not killing the demon, is why, when Wes says it's a house of evil, Angel can say "not anymore." As in the BtVS Season 2 episode I Only Have Eyes For You, it's forgiveness that lifts the curse, letting the tortured Judy die peacefully.
If you remember, the hotel was first brought back into Angel's mind in the previous episode when he temporarily brought that pregnant woman to it, thus reviving his own memory. Until then, he wasn't sure if the hotel even still existed or had been torn down.
Congrats. You've just watched one of the top-10 episodes of this series. Extremely well-researched, presented, and performed as everyone involved knocked it right out of the proverbial park.
And the end always makes me tear up. Poor Judy panicked when unjustly surrounded by an angry mob, and in her terror she made a choice that would trap her in a cycle of guilt and fear and shame for the remainder of her life...save for the last few minutes. Angel appears to her essentially like his namesake, absolves her of that guilt with his forgiveness and gentleness, and is there when she passes so that she doesn't die alone. It gets to me every single time.
Honestly, I don't know how much research Tim Minear did as he wrote the entire script over a weekend. And the first draft was very close to the final filmed version.
A very strong episode that touches on the darker aspects of American history.
I think too many younger people have lost touch with JUST how bad things used to be within living memory.
And as always, Boreanaz can ABSOLUTELY sell Angel as COMPLETELY different characters.
Vintage-Angel was very much an antisocial, self hating monster just trying to hide away and avoid involvement. There's no softness to him even when he feels compelled to do the right thing... and he STILL has that streak of absolute coldness. Even with a soul he is capable of making the wrong choice, or allowing his pain, his trauma and his rage dictate his actions. A powerful theme sold SO well by the actor with some fairly subtle changes to his portrayal.
David is just a phenomenal actor!!
Great episode. The glimpses into Angel's past are always very interesting and this one was no different. Angel may have still been mostly avoiding people at this point in his life but the willingness to help was there, buried deep down, he just needed the right person to connect to. Unfortunately Judy was not that person. Just when it looked like a friendship was blossoming that darn human self-preservation kicked in and Judy threw Angel to the slaughter. I guess the next human he trusted after that was Buffy, which means he probably spent the next half a century back on his lonesome (unless I'm forgetting something). Very sad.
Like you mentioned, this episode had a touch of LA Noire about it looks-wise. I've always loved the aesthetic of that time period. It just had a classiness about it that we lost somewhere along the way. Time to bring it back I say!
The monster of the week wasn't anything special, and was defeated very easily, but the way it floated along on its tentacles looked pretty cool. And feeding on emotion rather than flesh was something different I suppose.
So it looks like the gang has a new place of business. That's a lot of rooms to keep clean though!
And yes Wesley, you are especially paranoid! 😂
Thanks for another excellent reaction Juliette, loved it as always 💜🥰
I really enjoyed this episode, Neil! There were some really funny moments in between the horrors of that hotel. The poor bellboy 🤣
It was great to see more from Angel's past. There's so much that we haven't seen and probably will never see, as there's too much history there to cover. It really shows how long he's actually been alive for, how much he's gone through and how much he's suffered. I don't envy him. It's pretty sad sometimes to see Angel's past, but it really helps us get that different perspective and understanding. I really, truly, hope that there is a happy ending for him at some point.
NOT TOO HAPPY THOUGH.
Thank you, Neil 🥰💜
Very happy you spotted Angel was on the human blood in the flashback. It's an important detail that a lot of people miss.
I wonder if he misses it 😅
I think the only times we've seen past Angel at this point (Not saying if more happen later or not.) are with Whistler and as Angelus, This is one of the only times we've seen Angel with a soul with no Buffy.
not even a minute in and you mentioned noir, so spot on. excited to watch this!
Awesome! Hope you enjoyed 🤗
This is one of the best episodes of the series, it is so well done. The transitions are seamless as well.
This may be my favourite Angel Episode. It is in my top ten.
1950's McCarthy hearings April-June 1954 Angel was there in 1952.
John Kapelos is a Canadian actor who played the hotel manager.
Angel tries to do something for people in the world, for basically the first time.
It doesn't go well. At least he lives long enough to get a lot of chances to redeem himself.
Poor Wes is a little naturally paranoid.
Kapelos was in John Hughes' "Sixteen Candles" and "The Breakfast Club". He was also a regular on another vampire detective series, "Forever Knight", filmed in Canada, and appeared in some episodes of the crime drama, "Justified".
@@Madbandit77 Right "Forever Knight" I had forgotten that. Nick Knight Vampire cop in Toronto searching for redemption.
Given his childhood...
Aww the beginning of the Gunn/Wesley relationship - tossing the orb and Cordy saying they were like that all the way over.
Great episode Jules ! If you are watching X Files, you have a little easter egg. The bellman is named Frank Gillnitz , a reference when in X Files ( they used John Gillnitz ) Several writers ghost wrote an episode or helped ( John Shiban , Vince Gilligan and Frank Spotnitz. The connection in Angel is Dave Greenwalt and Tim Minear who worked in X Files; so they used that name in a character.
Oh awesome! I didn't know that 😊
Howard Gordon, who was on the show for S1 episodes 1-16 and killed Doyle, was also an X-Files writer.
Judy's final moments always make me tear up. "Can I go out now?"
Oh man, I am always surprised how Angel’s last conversation with Judy always gets me. The thought she was in trapped in her worst case scenario because of the guilt of what she done AND he forgave her to give her some peace in her final moments and talked about going outside… gets me every time.
The consequences of living in fear. She could have gone out, faced the music, even done some jail time, and it would still be better that what happened to her. I liked seeing paranoia as an actual demon. You can tell it to piss off.
Are You Now or Have You Ever Been many fans rate as one of the best episodes of the series. It's is very similar in tone to the BTVS episode I Only Have Eyes For You. I think it is definitely one of the top ten episodes in the whole Buffyverse. A superb plot, this could have been a whole movie on its own. Judy's story is heart breaking, superb from Tim Minear who was involved in many of the best Angel episodes, he also wrote for the X-Files as well. We see of course the group now move into the hotel, which becomes a great base for operations. 'We're Moving In'.
Growing up Mixed as an Army brat... That "I wasn't one thing or the other" had me believing that as a kid
I love this episode it’s such a beautifully crafted story and period piece with so many layers to it just like the protagonist is so layered. Also it’s crazy to think Angel was detached all that time until he found his purpose. And he found it through meeting Buffy. 😊
One of my favorite episodes of the season. The hotel is gorgeous, love that we get to stay. Lovely reaction! Hope you have a wonderful week!! ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
They've really had a glow up with their business 🥰 have a lovely rest of your week, Becca 💜
I was working when most of buffy aired, only caught bits and pieces..this is the first episode i ever saw of Angel, and it holds a special place in my heart
So excited for you!!! So much lies ahead. Looking forward to watching your reactions!!! You’re in for a hell of a ride!! ❤
Thank you so much!!
A character named Judy and the scene at the Griffith Observatory are just two Easter eggs in this episode from the 1955 film Rebel Without A Cause. Angel wearing a red jacket and white scoop-neck shirt. There are probably others as well. :-) A funny coincidence: Marlon Brando did a screentest in 1947 for Rebel Without a Cause, but the project was set aside. David Boreanaz is the spittin image of Marlon Brando, and James Marsters looks just like James Dean!
Angel's state of limbo is exactly his curse. But it only works if you have a soul. If you don't, then the people around you become nothing more than docile cattle, something you feed on at will. But with a soul, you begin to recognize the value of their lives and the impact you may have on them. And that is why I think you are exactly spot on! Angel would have continued to simply exist. Perhaps even given in to his "drive" to feed on humans again, fresh, if you catch my drift...
Holly crap! This is one of the best episodes about his past😎4:05 Just a complete badA#$! Such a great actor!! Thanks so much Juliette loved this episode!💞
It was SO good to see more of Angel's past! I love getting to know him better 😻
Underrated episode that gets better every time I watch it.
It's not really underrated, as it almost always comes up in discussions about the best episodes of the series.
@corvus1970 That's a fact. It's not underrated by die-hard fans and vets like you and me. (I watched this episode when it originally aired in 2000...I'm old now like you lol) However, it's been my experience that some newer/younger fans don't get into this one right away. Perhaps it's because of its historical context that some people are not familiar with. I was simply commenting on how much I continue to appreciate this episode and the discussion about it. ❤
It's interesting to see that Angel didn't always live out on the streets, eating rats. He's got a lot of backstory.
I think these events drove him into isolation, which led to the streets.
The title of the episode is in reference to the question, "Are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party?".
They even used that piece of footage playing on the television in the 1952 version of the hotel.
McCarthy was one of the greatest evils of this countries history. We still haven't recovered from the damage he did to us.
One of my favorite Angel episodes. The historical details are amazing.
And that includes the original slate blue Macintosh iBook!
Such a great episode!
I really love this episode. The message of forgiveness and reclaiming evil are so important.
Loved this reaction ❤❤❤
I love the Hotel and what they do with it (angel i mean).
Thank you so much! The hotel is definitely a step up from their old place of business 💜
Interesting call back to season 1 - when Angel is being tortured about the ring - he asks Angel what he wants - he honest response was “forgiveness” something he can never have - but it was something he could give to Judy
Great timing as I just rewatched that episode today!
It was very big and humble for Angel to forgive Judy after all that time. If anyone understands wanting forgiveness, it’s Angel. From his perspective, he knew how important it was to her. After all, he’s been seeking it himself for a long time, and he can’t expect to receive it, if he himself can’t forgive in return.
Angel has so much backstory that hasn’t even been explored much until now, and we’re just getting started…
RIP Judy Kovacs 🙏💛❤️🙏
Yes, flashback episode! I forgot you played LA Noire, this episode must have been extra fun for you! 😂
Absolutely!! I do miss Cole 🥹
Wonderful reaction.
The ducklings are so excited to go to the military school for delinquents, they leave on Wednesday for 3 weeks, maybe I can convince them to stay.
They think they will learn how to hunt vampires.
Meanwhile the alpacas are looking forward to some peace and quiet.
Have a great day.
Nawwww Cat 💜 you're gonna miss those ducklings. I know you will!
Hope you all are well over there 🥰
My favorite AtS episode and my third favorite in The Buffyverse.
Angel being upset at thinking he looks just "north of thirty" when he was turned at twenty-six is interesting. The human who guessed wasn't too far off.
Angel drinks human blood from a bottle while having a soul in 1952. I theorize he drinks human blood from the moment he turns into a vampire until _BtVS 2x07 Lie to Me_ when Buffy gives him a look and asks him if he can deliver the hospitals blood bags (which vampires attempted to steal) safely back to the hospital. This, I believe, because in _BtVS 1x07 Angel,_ he had bagged human blood in the refrigerator when Darla opened it, and by _BtVS 3x19 The Prom,_ he was buying pig's blood from a butcher. I think Buffy, whether intentional or not, guilted him into changing his dietary habits with that look she gave him in _BtVS 2x07 Lie to Me._
Angel in the flashbacks of 1952 is a very anti-social, not-caring frame of mind, person/vampire (Angel doesn't care about the suicide and goes back to drinking his human blood). Judy changes that attitude, then betrays Angel. Thus Angel's anti-social, not-caring attitude allows for the demon to win. But could Angel have won even if he played hero? He either gives everyone to the demon (as what did happen anyway), or he says he's alive after they "hung" him and that creates paranoia to feed the demon. The demon wins either way the second Judy turns on Angel.
It's sad to think about the fact that Judy has been tortured longer than Buffy and the other Scoobies have been alive.
Considering Angel loses his soul because, as Enyos says, "One moment where the soul that we restored no longer plagues his thoughts and that soul is taken from him," that means happiness is just one of many ways of him forgetting his guilt and forgetting is how he loses his soul, would Angel feel guilty for what he did here as Angel (or for anything bad Angel did) or is it only the things he did as Angelus in order for his soul to be "taken from him?" I asked this in another comment once and no one replied, so I wasn't sure anyone knew, but I'm still curious what people think.
Oh wow, awesome to know how much you enjoy this one!
The full quote is "One moment of true happiness, of contentment, one moment where the soul that we restored no longer plagues his thoughts, and that soul is taken from him."
he mentions happiness twice (true happiness, contentment) so I'm sure that happiness is a mandatory part of it. If he was so depressed that he didn't care about anything he wouldn't lose his soul even though he wouldn't be thinking about it. If he got hit by a forgetting spell he wouldn't be "plagued" by these thoughts anymore either, but I don't think that he would lose his soul for it.
While we're on the subject of Angel's "crimes":
I always thought that Angel's fight for redemption doesn't make sense if you only know about the things Angelus did. Yeah, Angel remembers everything vividly and feels guilty that the hands that are attached to his body were used to do these horrible things and the pure pleasure that was felt while doing them. But that's not his fault, though the fact that he "gave permission" to be turned doesn't help.
The things he did after getting his soul back, that's the stuff he actually does need redemption for.
Also what he didn't do, basically a century of not caring about people, having superpowers and not using them to help people. Getting to know Buffy was a wake-up call in so many ways for him. Seeing someone risk their life, knowing that if they keep doing it they will be lucky to make it to 20, but refusing to let that stop them from helping people has gotta be tough when you spent a century "basically just chilling". He probably feels like he has to make up for all those years of doing nothing.
@@MarkusR144 This is how I look at the whole thing:
*Enyos:* "Angel was meant to suffer. Not to live as human. One moment of true happiness, of contentment..." then he finishes by clarifying himself, saying, "...One moment where the soul that we restored no longer plagues his thoughts, and that soul is taken from him."
Nothing about the beginning of the quote changes my theory, and you're only the second person to try to say there's more to the quote. I shorten it to how I do because until someone, like you, mentions there's more to the quote, it can be a little more complex and longer to explain, unless neccassary. The complexity and length of explaining all of that in full was unneccessary to the point of the original thread's comment.
One of my favorite Angel episodes. It's a message story done right without undue preachiness or making the story subordinate to the message. The demon was wicked cool too, one of the best villain designs in the Buffyverse imo.
Great we are back with more Angel today and it looks like a flashback of Angel in the 1950's I really like these flashback episodes and i hope you have a great week take care my friend Juliette.🇦🇺🐈🐈⬛🐈🐈⬛🇦🇺
Roger! Thank you 💜🤗
One reactor that I watch, Domi, from Domi Reacts, actually got into watching Buffy because she had already seen the last three seasons of Angel. So when she got to Buffy's fourth season, the started watching Angel from the beginning. She immediately recognized the hotel when she saw it in season two's opening episode.
Oooh how cool!
One of my favorites! Up there close to 5 by 5. So well done.
Tony Amendola!
This is one of my favorite episodes of Angel!! Thanks for sharing your reaction! 🙂
My pleasure💜
This is one of my favorite episodes! Anything by Tim Minear is top tier. It was around this time that I realized that Angel had the potential to be a better show than Buffy.
I can absolutely see the difference in shows! Angel has had me hooked from the beginning. It's like Joss had a few seasons to really hone things and perfect it and as a result, we have Angel!
i LOVE this episode. i always love flashbacks, but they did it so well with the transitions. and its so sad, I feel for angel and for judy. he related to her so much, not fitting in to either group (her for race, him for vampires and humans) and then she made everyone turn on him when he was there to help them. but when he said take them all it was so dark. I'm glad he feels more connected now. and its cool they are going to move int here, its a neat setting. seeing judy still there was so heartbreaking. never having left that room in all those years. she lost her whole life because she turned on angel and was left with no one to free her from that demon. i don't blame angel but its still so sad. I'm glad she was able to see him and be forgiven before she passed.
Season 2 is the tale of three seasons. A lot goes on. Looking forward to it.
one of my favorite things in this episode is that Angel does finally free the young women, not by killing the demon, but by forgiving her as she passes away, it's a reminder like with Faith that not all victories require violence. love your reactions, can't wait for the rest of the season.
Thank you, Charlie 🤗
One of the best Angel episodes!
After hearing your outro, Jules, remember that his path took him to Sunnydale, CA, and Buffy. If you really care about the evolution of Angel (and Buffy), I'd suggest watching BtVS movie, written by JW. Lots don't like it, and it's different, but it adds to the overall timeline, imo.
Thank you! I definitely need to check out the movie!
@@julesreactsThe film definitely is not canonical. To be clear, there is no Angel in it either.
I wonder if Buffy watches Angel - get a bit of insight into his past.
She really should 🤣
It's a super interesting episode, but it is scary for multiple reasons. It also highlights the tougher times with civil rights in the USA at that time. I guess if you want to be a paranoia demon, you'd probably love the Red Scare and people frightened of nuclear war. Seems like they will be living in a hotel!
What I think is so sad is that Judy was so afraid to go to prison and she spent all her life locked up in that room. Really depressing ending...
Solar eclipse day for me in Texas! What a sight seeing experience it was! Now Mrs Jules and her soothing voice
This is my husband favourite episode of the show. Its a really strong one
I can understand why!
There were good episodes in S1, but IMO this episode is where Angel starts to take off. Much like s2 of Buffy, this season is where the show really starts being what JW wanted it to be from the start...He had to do the Supernatural Police Procedural stuff to get it past the network people, but now it starts being about the characters and their arcs rather than MOTW.
Great reaction are you now or have you ever been is a great episode
It really is a good one!
Being biracial, I can relate to the woman. Thank God I was born in the 90s and not the 50s like I wish.
I always thought Tim Minear was a very good writer. This was the episode that put him on another level. They broke the episode (created a basic outline) on Friday. He came in Monday with a finished script very similar to the shooting script. It was fantastic. This is one of my favorite episodes of the entire series.
Michael Stern edited this perfectly. So there was a lot of cursing coming from his office for a week or so. Just his process.
After warching an early edit of the episode, David Greenwalt's assistant Jesse Stern brought in a tape of the of the Humprey Bogart western The Oklahoma Kid (1939). When Angel is hanged, the crowd suddenly silences and walks away. The same thing happens in that film. Tim had never seen it.
Side note of almost completely unrelated trivia: Humphrey Bogart made 27 films between 1936 and 1940. 27!
The crew loved this new set as there was so much more space and no hole in the middle of the floor.
There is a fun outtake where Angel rolls across the floor, but the cable doesn't reach.
I feel like the events in this episode drove Angel from living in hotels to isolating and living on the street.
Assistant Jesse Stern woukd retire as an assistant during this seasin to concentrate on writing. He and his then girlfriend had jusy bought a house. They ebded up working on her first major film together with him have a tiny acting role as the ice skating rink ticket taker and as Story Editor. His then (now ex) girlfriend was the writer and director. The movie was Monster. It won an Oscar for Best Actress for Charlize Theron. Director Patty Jenkins is now best known for directong Wonder Woman and Wonder Woman 1984. She used to cone to the office to drop off her dog every so often. I could go on about the dog, but I've gone on long enough. Jesse was most recently a writer and producer of the recent Nancy Drew TV show.
Love your comments 💜 thank you!!
@@julesreacts You're welcome.
Hello, Jules.💜
An interesting, and well done, episode. Leaning heavily on the public paranoia of the late 1940's and early 1950's. The House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) was active from 1938-1975 - with smaller groups as early as 1918. It targeted anyone who was named by anyone as a possible Communist. From around 1947-1954 it concentrated on performing arts - movies, music, screenwriters, etc. Several were blacklisted - not allowed to be hired in any entertainment venture. This paranoia was in lock step with the on going prejudice against Blacks, Jews, and others. In writing, and film, stories like LA Noire were especially scrutinized - stories where common, people were preyed upon by a rich and powerful group were viewed as Communist inspired attacks on the "American Way", and all who participated were suspect. Some members of the entertainment industry, turned on writers, directors, actors etc. Their "friends" and "co-workers" to save themselves from the imagined threat - much as Judy turned on Angel. 🥰
This episode does an excellent job, of using the times, to weave together an important Angel tale, with the actual tempest of the times. The whispering demon, the growing fear of the folks, the suspicion of everyone, against their friends and acquaintances, and, in the end, those accusers trapped themselves as well.🥲
A very well written and presented episode. And You! Jumping right in and guessing the action, before it happened Some typical funny parts as well - Cordelia - "What? I can't try something?" O Pos, with Cinnamon. "and her later "They just don't photograph well!" And her quick change as to the Hotel - some "throw pillows. What's not to love?"🤣🤣🤣
And that shot, 1:07 - 1:18 - excellent!
A good video, Jules💜😊💜and great Outro. A privilege and pleasure to watch it with you. Enjoy your Tuesday. Thank you for reacting to and posting this excellent story.
Be Well.🤗
Made it to the eclipse - saw it, took a couple really sub par photos, had a great coffee, and back home again, in time for this. A great day!
Tom 🤗💜
I am so glad to hear your eclipse viewing went smoothly! I might be able to see the next one over here in a few years. Maybe it's at a decent time for me 🤣 at least your coffee wasn't sub par! But I'm sure your photos are wonderful. Like you!
This was such a great episode. Amazing transitions. Really well done. I love the while vibe with Angel. They really do seem to have so much creative freedom with Angel. It can be so dark and gritty. Just wonderful!
Enjoy the rest of your evening/day, dear Tom 💜🤗
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You'll notice that Angel is staying in room 217. That's an infamous room number in Stephen King's book The Shining (also about a hotel under a supernatural influence). They changed it to 237 in the movie.
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Waaaaat u play sum GTA Jules
I have indeed on my gaming channel 😊
@@julesreacts u plan on playing the new GTA 6 when it comes out next year
I reckon I will! I'll either do a regular playthrough or think of some more unique videos 💜
I need you friend