3,200 Rolls of Film of Rock Stars Found |
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- Опубликовано: 25 мар 2022
- Photographer Charles Daniels thought that after 50 years it was time to develop what may be as many as 75,000 photos of rock performers from the late 1960s to the mid 1970s. Matt discusses the recent find.
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Why wouldn't you develop any of these rolls ? WOW, can you imagine the undiscovered history this gentleman captured?
Great story Matt. Those pics are going to be fabulous! Just looking at all those rolls makes me smile.
You had me at "Boston Tea Party."
There is a bootleg album of the classic Fleetwood Mac line-up from there and it will blow your sh#t out the door. Would love to see some stills or whatever from that! 😻✌
Wow!! Not sure if the words 'treasure trove' accurately reflects this find. I hope Charles makes a fortune on these little rolls of pure gold. Can't wait to see his handy work. Thanks for the heads up from your Pops, Matt. Cheers, RNB,
Ned from Spain here. Holy smokes Matt, what an incredible story and proves once again that there's always more buried treasure out there waiting to be rediscovered. Thank you for getting people hip to this story . He deserves a lot of attention and wish him success. My wife and I are happy to hear that he's getting financial assistance with his health issues. Hope he recovers and stays healthy. Can't wait to see what's on those rolls and hope they're all in good shape. Wow..just WOW !!!
I have no idea how they would show these all but it will be fun to see them little by little.
@@popgoesthe60s52 I think you hit the nail on the head. Do them as a series, by date, band, roll by roll as they are ( YT channel ? ). Even the blurry and not perfect ones will still be exciting images we've never seen before. Judging by the photos you've shown CD seems to know what he was doing. He's like a secret Mick Rock or something. I hope and pray there are no screwy copyright or bitchy band / record label lawsuits. Bless you Mr Daniels. Thanks Matt
It's a real treasure from those times! The photograph has the power to immortalize a moment in history! Considered the existence of personal video recorders in that era, I equally think in how many films about shows and other events of those great bands and artists could yet appear to the great public. I already know about good examples about it, like the Beatles' Washington show scenes from 1964.
This is great. You're right, Matt. Not only does information seem to keep coming from this time period but the worldwide web brings it right to our door through outlets like your channel. Thanks for keeping us informed! (And thanks to your dad, too!)
I'll have to send my Dad a link to this video! I appreciate the comment.
Wonderful story, Matt! I can certainly relate and am looking forward to seeing many of Mr. Daniels photographs.
Incredible!!!! Thanks for Sharing this info Matt👍I hope these pictures come out in a coffee table book, Thats a motherlode of film to be developed!!! Cant wait to see these pictures -and all the best to Charles Daniels ✌
Best wishes to Charlie, I hope he gets to enjoy the spoils from his work. What an incredible find from an incredible era. Cheers for sharing...
This is fantastic news, and you're so right about material from the '60s continuing to emerge even today. I've been collecting obscure songs from the mid-60s for around 40 years now. That's right, 4 decades to accumulate songs from a 4-year time period.
This is amazing ! Thank you so much for bring this story out to us ! Love your work !
What I'd give to be in charge of developing those film rolls.
Amazing story! It’s like finding 5000 Picasso’s that he wasn’t sure what to do with so he hid them in the attic of some house somewhere. I will be checking-in often to see what’s happening here!
Me too!
Truly incredible. He should by all rights be rich and famous
Thanks for this Matt. Exciting discovery and looking forward to your updates!
I'm looking forward to seeing the results of this! Thanks for the update, Matt.
pictures can also jog the ancient memory banks of those old rockers that are still with us, it would be cool to have him and his film sit in with a few of those guys and talk about the gig.
The infamous MC5/Velvet Underground show at the Boston Tea Party is what I immediately comes to mind. I shared your video with a few other music/photography obsessives. This is an amazing discovery!
I appreciate the share, Eric - thank you!
The Velvet Underground played many a show at the Boston Tea Party, so the prospect of some unseen photos of them is pretty exciting!
Yes! I have no idea how these will be shown, but I guess we'll be finding out.
Rock and Roll. The gift that keeps on giving.
Many people asking themselves WHY he didn’t develop those rolls. Garry Winnogrand is another famous photographer who left thousands of undeveloped rolls when he died. Mental health paid a role in that, and an uncontrollable urge to take as many photos as possible. There are other reasons I can think of in this case. Maybe unsufficient funds, especially if you’re doing the work on your own and not for somebody else. Another reason could be a fast-paced life which requires to go from assignment to assignment without the time to develop personal work.
I hope the lab does some tests before developing these. Old undeveloped stock tends to fog and lose contrast - hopefully a lot of that can be compensated for digitally.
Vivian Maier is another person who took great photos in the 1950's & '60's and the film was discovered after her death. She was a nanny and always had her camera when walking the city streets. Great photos.
He simply loved taking the photos. He has a dark room but he didn't use it much I guess. Since he did much of this as a hobby, he perhaps couldn't take the time to actually process the film? Thanks for the background on Garry Winnogrand - I wasn't familiar with him.
Because the vast majority of the frames on these rolls are of bands and musicians who never achieved notoriety and hardly anyone will remember. It simply wasn't worth the cost of developing the film then; the captured images had no sale value and no potential to generate money. The film rolls which actually contained useful images were developed long ago. These 3,200 rolls are essentially the "trash rolls". We shouldn't get too hyped up about this undeveloped film lot and expect it to contain plenty of famous rock stars on it. Perhaps none at all.
@@rookmaster7502 I wouldn't mind seeing pictures of Boston bands that I've heard of thru the years: Teddy & The Pandas, Chameleon Church, Earth Opera, Beacon Street Union, Orpheus, Ultimate Spinach, Eden's Children, Barry & the Remains, Barbarians, maybe Jonathan Richman, etc. Then then there will be all the bands that just played for a couple of nights from other parts of the country.
I don't need more pictures of the Rolling Stones, Rod Stewart, etc.
Show me something I haven't seen! That's what is intriguing to me. Bring on the 'trash rolls'!!!!
@@figure4facelock239 Absolutely agree with you! (I'm actually somewhat familiar with a few of the bands you mentioned.) I was merely explaining why the film rolls were left undeveloped. And warning people what to expect should the film get developed, despite all the media attention and "rock stars" hype.
Matt, Kinda odd to see your video on Nazz whom I saw at the Tea Party in '68 and then see this. I would love to see photos of shows that I saw there (QMS, Jeff Beck, Nazz, .. when I lived in Cambridge that summer and the Kinks in late '69 - supposedly the first date after their ban in the US was lifted). It also reminds of the one thing that I like about computers: finding out about band performances. I am still distraught that I only heard about the Fleetwood mac show after the fact. Worse, there was a local venue, the Woodrose Ballroom in South Deerfield, that had the Velvets, Allmans, and James Gang multiple times in that time period. I did see Van Morrison there (for $2) only because someone gave me a poster for the show.
But thoudands of photos from those days! Wow! Once again you have me salivating.
Excellent!! PLEASE Keep us posted on this.
I can't wait to see the pictures.🥰
You asked the question...who is asleep at the wheel. Great stuff. Reminds me of the hours of Beatles we never saw...till this winter. Thanks, Matt!
Wow!!!! And these pictures capture the very fertile and thriving Boston scene, as soon as I heard "Boston Tea Party", I was transfixed. The only band name I DIDN'T hear mentioned that I know played that club a lot was The Velvet Underground! Zappa, The Dead, The Who and Zeppelin all played there in '69, which is when the Velvets were there so I'd be curious to see if any of those surface. Amazing story!!!
Yeah, I would imagine that there are tons of lesser know bands as well. Can't wait to see them!
Wow, what a story! I guess one day these will all be put together in several books!
Very interesting, hadn't heard about this. Keep us updated please.
Thanks for spreading the word about this ❤
cool...thanks, as always I enjoy your videos very much
Great story. Thanks Matt.
Great stuff - thanks
Thanks for the heads up.
So cool. Thanks
What a gold mine! I bet the family will fight tooth and nail unless some private equity firm buys it outright. Still, what a find! I really hope the people get to see this body of work! Your father sounds right on!
Thanks for disseminating this.
Love your work, man
Amazing find of a story! Thanks Matt’s Dad. Please let us know when it comes out and do a review!
Will do LIzza - thank you!
OMG, fantastic!
Thanks for another hidden treasure video. Can't wait to see what will be revealed as the story "develops".
Def got my interest and the photo archives to come...Where's a PHOTOMAT when you need one ?
I learned of the Boston Tea Party from the Velvet Underground bootlegs and Peter Green’s Fleetwood Mac live records. Pretty sure that future rockers Peter Wolf and Jonathan Richman were regular concert goers there too. There should be some interesting photos coming out of these rolls
I heard of this guy when I was in college in the 70s. Totally forgot about him.
Thank you! Tre chic fabulous story, what great treasures. Off topic, but Matt are there any odds of you making a video about Gandalf's amazing 1969 album and oddities? Love that band.
I like several songs on that lp. I have such a long list that I may combine some obscure content into single videos. Some of those bands have very little history written but I have some good sources. Thanks for the request!
Sounds like your Dad is a good resource. This is very interesting.
As exciting as this may seem, one has to wonder if he was actually a skilled photographer. Taking photos of rock concerts in dimly lit venues is a challenge at best. If you never develop your work, how would you know if you’re getting the proper exposure to show the artist without too many blurred images? Photography is a trial-and-error process, especially in the days of traditional film when you didn’t get instant results. Developing your work was the only way to learn from your mistakes so you don’t repeat them again. I truly am hopeful he captured some amazing images (and that they still survive on the film), but I am tempering my expectations until I see some results.
Good points. In my experiences with regard to shooting with standard film, one third is good stuff, one third is mediocre, and the final third is junk. But that's simply my experience of shooting. I have no idea what he was processing during this whole time. That would be interesting to know in a follow up story.
Even a novice would almost certainly be guaranteed a few happy accidents..! 😎😀
Bummer about the cancer, but on the upside, these photos will probably be worth more now than they would have been in the past. I hope the film hasn't degraded and nobody tries to steal his work.
And here I keep putting off the 3 rolls I got from the 90s.
My guess is crowd shots is what people like best from the stage and it wasn't mentioned what kind of camera was used, and how dry was the film stored.
0:15 Boston's Tea Party, where the infamous 'Guitar Amp Tape' from The Velvet Underground was recorded
Wow! Thanks Dad! Super cool. My first thought was "Ehhhh... wouldn't they have deteriorated over that time?" They're always telling us chemical data objects like that break down. But those images look pretty great.
Surely something new to come out....bingo!
Wow!
I attended so many concerts where Charlie was the MC i lost count but yes he has pictures of The Who , Zep and a whole lot of others as the Boston Tea Party hosted all the big acts of the day back then. So the first time i saw Daniels was in mid 1968 at the first Boston show ever by The Who at the Music Hall it was an afternoon show where only about 50 people showed up at a 2500 seat theater the evening show was sold out but i was at the afternoon show , and this is a funny story to tell. Charlie came out to announce the Who to the crowd of 50 as the Who were behind the curtain he went on and on and on and on talking up the Who for what seemed like 5 minutes all of a sudden Townsend fed up with this did a jump kick to the curtain yelling at him as if to say shut up and get of the stage so we can play just then Charlie got the message and said The Who and the curtain raised with them playing Cant Explain. So anyway they played as if the show was sold out and did the most destructive ending i ever saw to My Generation Townsend flipped his ax like 20 feet in the air catching it in time to strike cords then with 2 feet in the air he kicked over his amps then smashed his ax into little pieces as Moon went crazy throwing his drums off the stage WOW.
WOW is right! What a show to see. Thanks for sharing, Bert.
Wow! Imagine what's to be discovered. As an old guy I remember Tri-X Pan, great B&W film. "Who's asleep at the wheel?" Read Rolling Stone lately, Matt?
I just read the Matt Taibbi stuff. The music information offers nothing for me.
Wow! There just might be something new under the sun.
Wow.
Surprised the film didn't deteriorate through the years, it does that.
I have been a professional photographer since 1975... And I have questions..... in the 70s everyone developed their own film.... simple procedure 20 min start to finish B&W 4 rolls no darkroom hang in the kitchen to dry and in the article it says he has a darkroom....4 rolls a day he would be done in a year..... and How much film did this guy shoot? in the 70s a big day was 10 or 15 rolls in a day for a shoot you are not getting a check for ....that was tons. The tea Party was open 3 years. 6 concerts a week thats 100 rolls a concert with a non motorized camera plus what he did process..... I would not be surprised if this wasn't the gold mine people think
Thanks for that info, Kevin. I hope there is more follow up to this story. There really wasn't much information on his process or lack thereof.
I really hope that all of the rolls have remained undamaged or haven't deteriorated in any way. Wonder why Charles never had them developed? In the mid 1990s, I found between 6 - 8 rolls of undeveloped film, which were my parents. Had to take it to a Hospital Pharmacy (which still developed that type of film, which was made by Kodak). Was able to get some decent prints, but other images were either blurred or missing. The film rolls were undamaged (being kept in a desk drawer), but were just old (the images were at least 30 years old).
The lab engaged specializes in old film as old as the 1920s so if anything can be done with the rolls, this lab is probably the right one.
haha, it reminds me, back in those years I had a heck of a problem buying LPs, but never getting around to opening and playing them. Several boxes. I dunno, just a personal quirk, somehow. So it's easy for me to imagine that's part of Daniels' story as well; he just never got around to developing the pics.
Did I miss something? Why did Mr. Daniels never develop any of this film?
The article talks a bit about that. Basically, he simply loved taking the photos. He as a dark room but he didn't use it much I guess.
Maybe more than a Masterblaster he was a master procrastinator?
If you listen to the 1st track of Fleetwood Mac live at the boston tea party, that is Charles doing the introduction.
Thanks for that, Thom! Much appreciated.
@@popgoesthe60s52 Back in the day in Boston, you showed in your video a synagogue.. that was the original tea party. Zeplin's 1st tour of the states went there. I think it was $2.50 to get in.. Beck and Rod Stewart came thru also.. again $2.50 there were many others that came thru.. same price. Saw Johnny Winter there also.. Tea Party move location to Lansdowne st.. behind Fenway park.. Saw Tull/ten years after/Spirit/ and many others.. the Who came in and the price shot up to $3.00 we were amazed. at the price jump, but we went to see them also.. back in the day, it was pricey, compared to what I am saying it cost.. got to remember gas was only 28 cents a gallon.. Man I am old and Man I miss those days.. I hope all there photos pan out, as the tea parry was a rockin place.
@@thomdombrowski8572 Unbelievable at how cheap those prices are. Compared today, which are now common for 4 & 5 figures. Sad.
the rolls I can see in the video are 36 exposures so the is over 115000 instead of 75000.
Good catch - thank you, Jonathan!
Could someone please speak to the technical challenges in trying to develop film stock that is now 40 to 50 years old?
Assuming that the rolls were kept in moderate temperatures and dry, will there be a chance of actually retrieving the images? What can modern digital technology do to assist in the process?
I have heard that with ancient scrolls and such, they can go in with a type of very high precision microscope and lift images from rolled papyrus. I can imagine however, that this is extraordinarily expensive and is only done in a very few specially equipped labs. Well beyond the reach of that many rolls of film--- if it is even possible with film.
The photos in the video/article are from his cache of rolls, i.e., the lab had success. That is no guarantee that all will be good quality.
@@popgoesthe60s52 Thanks Matt. I didn't realize that those were from this cache of rolls. Indeed fingers crossed for further success!
Thanks for covering this and I liked your comment of someone being asleep at the switch. As you have stated many times before, we are starting to lose both the musicians and those who worked and covered them so we need to gather as much of this material as possible. Thank you as well for mentioning the funding page he has set up.
Maybe he got shots of Rolling Thunder Dylan?
Ultimately, the question needing an answer is, "Who will own the rights to the photos developed from the film?" Will Getty images try to buy them? Some major media organization? Or will the folks he "worked for" try to claim them?
Good point - with that amount, it would seem logical that a Getty would gobble them up.
"I got a Niiii-kon camera, love to take the phoooo-tograph"
I'll see myself out
How was able to keep shooting if he never developed and showed the clients his work? Guess he just didn’t have to. Crazy when you think about it. All that work. Then no Reward seeing the shots! I mean, editing is like the yin to the yang. I need to see the stuff! So he didn’t have that and it’s pretty cool. Vivian Maier kinda deal.
3:00 "Who's asleep at the wheel here?" Mainstream journalism, entirely, for +40 years. I hope copyright doesn't snag release of the photographs. And here's hoping Charles Daniels is relieved of pain in his ordeal. Maybe this photo project will cheer him along.
...And Velvet Underground.
I always heard undeveloped film doesn't age well. Hopefully that is not the case.
Yes, that is true but the lab they are using for this specializes in old film so it's probably in the best hands.
Why shoot all of that film and not develop it? I didn't know film that old could still be developed.
He simply loved taking the photos. He has a dark room but he didn't use it much I guess. That's what is explained in the article.
32 hundred, oddly. Funny.
Somebody needs to help him copyright all of these pix. No doubt worth a fortune.
Why didn’t he develop the film as he went along ?
He simply loved taking the photos. He has a dark room but he didn't use it much I guess. That's what is explained in the article.
This story begs the questions... Why did he never develop any of these rolls? And are there examples of any of his work he did develop?
The article goes into some of why they never got released.
@@popgoesthe60s52 hmmm.. I rewatched this and still did not hear why these were never developed... Am I missing something?
@@jimk2000 You'll have to read the article I linked to. It gets briefly discussed.
@@popgoesthe60s52 sorry I apologize for the confusion
@@jimk2000 No prob. I hope there is some more follow up to this story because people have lots of questions.
Rolling Stone magazine? Wasn't that the magazine that was the oracle of all things Rock and Roll back in the day and now prints puff pieces about Taylor Swift?
That's the one!
not 24 exposures per roll; a roll is 36...
Thank you - that would then make for a potential 115K photos.
Stones in 67-Gold Stones in 75- meh