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That look/sounds a lot like Marine Velvet, Its very similar to Marine Ich. I made the same mistake. The difference is Marine Velvet once reach a certain population will explode rapidly peppering most of your fish in small white dots/bubbles (looking super similar to ich) but Marine Velvet can kill in a matter of hours-days, while ich will typically take a couple days-weeks to kill your fish depending on size. With how rapidly the white dots showed up and how fast it killed your tang, most likely Marine Velvet, might be why the ich meds didn't work fast enough, even though their both parasites.
Thank you for hammering this point home. I myself, am guilty of almost never quarantining new fish. But I've also had a lot of issues come up, likely because of that. As a hobbyist myself, I really appreciate you showing us your wins and your losses. This is how we, as a fishnerd community, learn w/o having to face these losses our selves.
Way to be honest Joey... many people need the honesty to keep them in the hobby... as to show that even the best fish keepers have problems..and its nice to know they arent alone with stuff like ick...parasites..etc...
Ive had salt water aquariums for many years. Recently i am losing interest in it because of just how much more work and husbandry they require over my freshwater tanks. Water testing, salinity checks, feeding corals, expensive lights, rodi water makers for water changes, protein skimmers, etc etc. At this point im ready to talk to my LFS and ask if any of the employees would want my fish and corals so i know they go to good homes. Fresh water tanks are so much more simplified and easier to maintain and i think that brings more satisfaction for me now.
It's been more than a year that I don't have new fish, and never quarantined them. But now, thanks to all your work and constant good advice, I can't imagine having new fish without a couple of weeks in a quarantine tank. You are the best, Joey.
Sorry to hear about that mate. You're (in my eyes) probably the fishtuber who talks most about quarantining, and that's really great. I now have a tank that can be used for quarantining and hospitalising fish, and it was probably you who pushed me over the edge into doing it. I've only ever had one group of fish who needed quarantining - 10 rummynose from a random fish store, and luckily I quarantined them, as they all got awful fungus and fin rot immediately, and died within a day (despite my best attempts to medicate and save them).
I saw the title and first thing I see is him come on camera smiling 🤣
The quarantine tank may have had velvet instead of ich. Velvet hits hard and extremely quick
Perhaps! I have never seen either in saltwater, so i was going based off what i have actually seen before in fresh. Looked like ich to me! Velvet tends be be a much finer dusting, while with this i could see the individual parasites.
Yea, this looks like velvet to me
@@thekingofdiy you aren't seeing the parasites in marine velvet or ich, you are seeing the damage/immune response from/to the fish iirc.
Saltwater velvet and ich are very similar in appearance. It hammers fast where ich is slow as fast as everything dropped it was velvet. This is reason 1 why I always run a uv sterilizer on all my tanks fresh or Saltwater. Why to prevent losses similar to this from ever happening again to me. I lost 3 grand in fish from an outbreak of velvet.
Definitely odinium. Needs chloroquine, copper isn't as effective against it.
This video reflects the importance of quarantine! For fish or for humans... The tank looks amazing!
@@brytonup1551 love u for being that guy! english ain't my main language, and I did know I wasn't quite right on that sentence... But couldn't but a finger on what was wrong 😅 anyway, thanks!
2:28 the puffer fish YAWNED and I am living for it
Thanks for making this video, over the years I have gotten more lax with quarantining, and this is a such a good reminder how important it is! Also, what I love about your channel (second to the fish of course!) is your personality and your enthusiasm for the hobby - so do what you love because your honesty and genuineness is what draws people in!
The reason most people don’t quarantine is because most people only have 1 tank and only have room for 1 tank
Im about to add a ruby red dragonet to my 20g, and im gonna just buy filter, heater, light and stuff, and then just use a clear storage container instead of glass tank.
@@thomasbaldauf7971 ya my quarantine tank is a plastic tub !
All you need for quarantine is tank is. Filter, heater, tank, and PVC tubing for fish to hide in. Light is not needed, and never use sand or rock in a Quarantine tank as copper will absorb into the rock.
@@MattQ1987 No light? Will the fish get used to not having light that its stressed when its in the DT with light?
@@thomasbaldauf7971 as long as there's as it's not pitch dark in the room it will be fine. Light coming in from windows will be just fine.
The video before this he said " i will listen toyou more!" Now this video..." I will not listen to you again" 😂😂😂
We refer to the killing of fish in the hobby as 'Pulling a Nick Bingo'
Best comment so far🙌🏽
Facts
The bane of saltwater fish, Nick Bingo.
FDL thank fuck he hired someone that’s actually competent to care for his fish. The deaths have dropped Considerably!
@@olivera6743 wait he did?
It's irrelevant at this point but that's almost certainly velvet. Only a select few can tell the difference by looking alone but, what sets ich and velvet apart are the fishes behavior (with velvet they'll search for fast current likes from power heads) and the time it takes to kill. Like in freshwater its rare for ich to kill at all and when it does it's months later. With velvet you're lucky to make it a week or 2. Ich also usually progresses much slower. Velvet you can go from no spots to complete coverage in 4 hours.
That’s a crazy ick outbreak. Sorry for your loss but I’m always happy that you share this to us all too. Enjoy your tanks. It’s good to get ideas from your community but at last you should enjoy what you are doing because it’s your happiness that we all love when you talk about your stuff
Hey Joey, we all make mistakes. One bit of saltwater husbandry that I would advise everyone do, is run a UV sterilizer. They are rather inexpensive, and can save a tank during an ich outbreak (even with observational quarantine, like you practice, ich still pops up from time to time). Anyways, it seems like you're getting the hang of the saltwater thing. Not trying to push you into doing anything, but it would be really cool to see your approach to a Reef setup. I know you had a nano reef for a while, but it would be really cool to see all those DIY tank hardware used in an awesome setup.
Thank you for being honest, it's great that you enjoyed the tank on you own. I think you made the right decision since it was the best for you.
Clicked it because you are in my notifications and it is lunch time... but I love your honesty...... it show's the up and downs of your hobby
I didn't quarantine for the first 6 or 7 months. I finally got around to building a qt system and bought some more fish. 2 days after having these fish in quarantine they broke out with ick. So grateful I finally got a qt system
Hell yeah Joey do you!!! we will like it no matter what you put out! Nice tank I like the stocking of it!
2:23 i can relate to that fish YAWN at the bottom right every morning
Joey appreciate the honesty....there are issues in every endeavour its important to be upfront and honest about it as we do look up to you for guidance and advice on the hobby....and I really appreciate you for informing us of the ups and more importantly of the downs of the hobby....
after seeing you get the rays, and you love rays, you wanted them, dont blame it on youtube lol it was 100% you that wanted the salt water rays bro. plus most of us watch all your videos, not just watching for "drama" or whatever, watching for the amazing tanks mate, if i wanted drama i would watch TV. and i dont even own a tv, thats how much i hate "drama"
Thanks for sharing this real life example of why you should quarantine. I think it would be great if you followed up with another video discussing how you cleaned the quarantine tank after this happen to ensure it didn't cross contaminate to the next group of fish you quarantined in it.
It's so easy to be complacent and not Quarantine, but loosing your community due to laziness would be heart breaking. Thanks for sharing Joey
I know you didn’t really like making the old DIY videos and they probably don’t get as many views as your videos now but I kinda miss the old DIY videos. It got the creative juices flowing and also made the wife crazy but that’s besides the point.
you're a machine Joey! It is truly impressive how your aquarium cave has transformed over the last couple of years. Honestly, at this point the only thing you can do now is expand the make your building bigger!!! but then you might need to consider hiring a staff to take care of some of the work LOL
Even the king sometimes lost in a battle he often wins. Made me realize; we're still learning, no one's perfect in this hobby ❤
Thanks for reminding us for a hospital tank Joey 👌
The "ick" in the quarantine tank looked more like velvet to me. Velvet would also make sense of the fast onset and quick death. Ick typically takes more than a day to kill.
Oh god saltwater ich is so hard to cure ☹️ I had it once and it took half my fish...I had to treat with meds, raise the temp, a diy polisher to remove the ich in water column that I learned from you! 😃 and I added a uv light in my sump which also seemed to help a bit! I was able to save 1/2 my fish thankfully... way to be honest much respect my friend
King of diy: “There is nothing in freshwater that looks that beautiful”
Discus: 😐😐. Tf
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We've been watching you quarantine fish for years and now this episode shows us why. Quarantine works. We Americans are learning that the hard way right now.
Gallery is looking amazing! Thanks for your honesty in all the ups and downs with the tanks! 👍👍
Thanks for the update Joey!!!! You should consider getting corals!!!! Thank you for sharing! Been in the reefing hobby for over 8 years and this video was a good reminder of the tough days when my tank crashed. Don’t ever quit on it. That’s a gorgeous tank!!
As long as you enjoy your setups and selections, it bleeds through the videos you make, making them far more enjoyable. Nobody wants to see a video where you have to get something for the sake of getting it, and no one wants to hear you talk about it if you don't have any passion behind it. Keep doing you mate!
Your salt water tanks look phenomenal but I would love to see you step out of your comfort zone and start to do some corals that would make the tank just outstanding I personally never had a salt water tank but always wanted one love your vids joey keep it up but really think about adding coral 🙂just a suggestion if your going to read this
That'd be kinda risky with that angel in there
Caiden Follmer as I said I don’t really have an experience with salt water as I do with fresh water 😕but thanks for the heads up 🙂
ive done coral a couple times before. I plan on adding a few non coral friendly fish in the future as well.
This reminds me alot that I've been following you for a while and that your entertainment and energy is why I keep to your channel and almost no other channels in This hobby.
Just how it is I came for a fish thumbnail and stayed for your energy. Thanks for sharing. Bad stuff happens and its good to know what you could do differently or do for it to not happen again.
Keep the videos coming Joey. =)
That looked more like velvet than ick. Good job at QTing fish.
I completely see where you’re coming from with quarantining your fish. I didn’t quarantine the new fish in my tank when i first got them. Now, a few weeks later there is a huge outbreak of a disease that I can’t identify that has killed two of my fish
OMG the puffer just yawned!!! 2:24 awwww
I have a friend at work who's brother got into fishkeeping for his kids. Man in the beginning it was like pulling teeth to get him to listen. I'm just so glad he listened to me, when setting up a tank with fish on the same day, when I told him to take the muckiest parts in his old filter in the new one. Now I have to convince him to quarantine. I tried, but he was impatient (of course) lol
I just started this hobby its been about 8 months now and I had ick 2ce once I didnt quarantine and had to use alot of meds in a 75 gal.. learned my lesson and recently I had ick with baby discus but they where in quarantine and the second I saw the 1st dot was they day I got them and I started to treat it I knew what to look for throu experience and now they are fine no ick or anything and they will be in their new bigger tank soon dont get discouraged just learn from it and as long as you learn and try better next time you will succeed in this and any other hobby u get yourself into
Lol I love how you’ve been in the hobby for 8 months and you’ve got a 75 and discus. Talk about a deep dive 😂 Hope things are going well and you’re enjoying the hobby!! 😊
@@ohrats731 yea haha I have 3 tanks and a 10 gal quarantine tank so 4 total lol yea I jumped right in the deep end haha love it thou. Right now I'm all freshwater and all planted tanks with nice dragon rock in the 75 and river rock in one and slate rock in another loving the hobby im still trying to get some stuff to work like my chiller for the axolotl tank I think my pump it to strong and its not staying in long enough to chill it correctly not sure but love the hobby I wanna get salt water too when I have the room for it
Show us what YOU do for QT in saltwater and freshwater fish. Go into details on what you do like medications you use or don’t use, transfer method, copper treatment etc etc
It's always sad to hear when we have losses. But talking or seeing what can happen is also important as this is also how we learn
I dont care what kind of fish you talk about or show because at the end of the day its you that is taking care of them and your just a fun guy to hear talk for 10-15 minutes a day! Im glad you show everything i learn allot 😂😂 i need my quarantine set up asap 😳😅
Good job on the importance of quarantine. So many of us in the hobby play Russian roulette with new fish that we think look healthy.
Took me years and too many lost fish before I the necessity of quarantining. I only keep pond fish currently but have designated quarantine pond and tanks.
I watch your videos for you and what you enjoy. Don't pander to anybody. Get the fish you want and love. Your enthusiasm is infectious. You make people care for the fish you love. This is your gallery and your hobby, we are just along for the ride.
i think that was not ich, it was marine velvet.. it is same as ich but very strong and kill the fish same day and you are lucky if you could save them, you could dip them in freshwater for 10m to help, and also formalin dip would help alot and kill the marine velvet
Love hearing that you had a nail biting couple of months and was really feeling let down by a tank - so refreshing...
I started with discus 3 months ago after wanting them for a lifetime, did everything “right” but struck down with whirling disease and lost 7 out of 9. So depressing.
Refreshing to hear that it doesn’t always work out, even for the pros - persistence is the key and getting back to core roots...
you really need to get a juvenile emperor angel and watch it completely change over a few years. one of the most amazing fish transformations you will ever see..,.
Sorry for your loss. I just had a tank crash. The heater stayed on all day and killed everything except a yellow watchman goby and 1 hermit crab. I almost wanted to quit but I’ll try to save them. Love your channel!
I missed seeing this saltwater tank! Good to see it back Joey
I say remove the trigger fish and put some cleaner shrimp and clean up crew in there like crab and star fish just for a change ;) but so far it looks great
Like I always say good job on that video always quarantine your fish and the salt water is definitely a desert after looking at everything you put in to work
Right now I have fish in quarantine. Always, always, always quarantine. Excellent advice.
Glad you like your tank Joey. I enjoy your content regardless of what fish you have in there, fun to see the excitement!
I’m happy to hear that you’ve started doing the tanks for you and for your enjoyment. That is the most important part of this hobby. Just enjoying the effort we put into it. And when you try to please others instead of oneself that enjoyment starts to diminish.
In do time I’m making my 540L freshwater tank into saltwater, inspired by your videos. Saltwater fish is just very very expensive here in Denmark. And I’ve always wanted corals, so I want to combine the two and get at reef tank. But it’s nice to have something to look forward to.
Joey, 2 things.
1) I think that was marine velvet, not ich. Much more deadly and much harder to treat.
2) marine ich is super easy to treat\prevent. Do a bare tank transfer every 4 days. It disrupts the life cycle so, as long as the fish is\are still eating, I guarantee success. Copper is a poison and carcinogen and often inhibits appetite and reduces life expectancy. I understand that, in some cases, the fish are too far gone(with dinos, velvet, or brook)and copper is the only hope but, I have had good success with 5m FW dips(every other day) and Ruby reef rally at 2x recommend strength, tank transfered while the fish are in the fw dip.
When you say transferred--- 'splain, please...
@@sharonwolfe5210 with Ruby reef rally, when the fish are getting their 5m FW dip, I do not return them to the same container. I put them in a new container, with new saltwater, and re-dose the 2x recommended dosage of RRR. Worth mentioning, on the next day, I will sometimes dose that water with the recommended dosage of RRR if the fish\parasites aren't responding as well as hoped or if I want to keep the pressure on the parasites. If the fish seem to particularly weak or seem to be pulling through, I usually don't stress them with the additional dose.
Also, respect the 5 minute freshwater time limit and make sure the water is roughly the same temp. Buffering it isn't that important but, temp is. At 5 minutes the fish are in real bad shape. The fish may lay down like it's dead prior to 5m, this is normal. DO NOT DO MORE THAN 5 MINUTES and do not do it more than every other day. It takes a full day for them to recover from the trauma of the dip. However, it really helps kill off the parasites in the gills that inhibit the fish from breathing(which is how they die).
@@sharonwolfe5210 unless you meant for ich... Then it's just a new tank, new saltwater, new heater, new air line, every 4 days. I use 5 gallon buckets, the tiny cheap walmart heaters, and an air pump with 2 outlets, and alternate... Drying 1 set fully while the others are in use. After 2 weeks, 4 xfers, they'll be ich free.
@@JoshRReese
Thanks so much for your time!!!!!
Appreciated!!!
Quarantine is a must! but sadly many people in the fishkeeping hobby tend to overlook that step. When I donated my female black molly to my local fish store, without quaranting or acclimating, they just toss the fish into an already-established tank and I was like 😦
I like the stocking and the new scape 😍 And I love if you do what you want because then we get to see new things and learn new things. We also get to know species we didn’t knew of. Love it😍
Being a guppy person I either have them in perminant qt or never qt depending on how you look at it. Each type I get goes into it's own tank for at least 3 months before I think about doing a cross or moving them in with other fish. And for some reason I have had more illness show up in my tanks this year than I have in a decade. Like you with ich and the salt fish, I've delt with pin tail, ich, fungal, and columnaris. Sorry for the loss of all the fish. I feel you on that.
You do you Joey. Been watching your videos for years. From back when you was doing all the DYI videos. Lol. Love seeing your tank and fish. Keep up the good job bro.
Thank you for sharing, I see so many that don't quarantine and this is a perfect video to show those that think it's not important
2:25 fish yawn 😍
Fish yawns are the best.
Tangs have very thin slime coats, so they are pretty much ich magnets. A lot of the times, you shouldn't be wondering IF they will get ich, you should be wondering WHEN they will get it.
Ich doesn't just magically show up, it is a parasite. Your fish had to be infected initially with the parasite to begin with, otherwise you will never have it.
Agreed, please don't let RUclips run your hobby. Your stuff is amazing when you're super excited. Keep doing your own thing, we love it when you share 😊
Sorry to hear about the lost fish. Never fun to lose fish.
All I ever want to see is an army of cleaner shrimps in like a really big tank.
Other than that, whatever you or any other fish dude posts is entertaining enough for me and I usually learn a lot about the hobby so yea keep doin what you love man
Shame to hear about the dead fish, the rays were amazing but I’m sure you will start to enjoy the tank just as much in the future
Damn Joey that tank is fire! Completely unrelated but I also just started quarantining for my saltwater fish as my sailfin died yesterday due to internal parasites and I didn't realize until it was too late. This video just affirmed the need to quarantine
What about adding sea anemones for the clowns? I think one or two would look great in that tank!
They’re pretty high maintenance, and the trigger and angel would DESTROY them.
@@squidarcherb9707 welp, that answers *that* !!!
I've been on the anemone train too... 😢
dang joey i always listen to your advice since 2017. sorry for your loss i hope something great comes out of this situation. live and learn i guess. keep up the vids.
Last video Joey says “ I need to listen to you guys way more” this vid “can’t let the tubes get in the way of the hobby”. -casual viewer who happens to be observant
Joey is addressing the people that think they know what they are talking about when it comes to quarantine of fish in the hobby. Quarantine is necessary when it comes to purchasing new fish and adding them to an established aquarium
Yeps, Logan. I guess people change, situation change, thoughts change, hairstyle change
Love that saltwater tank I wish I could keep saltwater but it's a bit expensive and just not in my budget but I love seeing everyone else's! Just beautiful!
I love both fresh and saltwater tanks but there is just something about a great Saltwater tank that stands apart.
Joey this is a much better video. Love the added cinematics that you included, clips and scripts etc. Love it
The only reason I clicked on this video is because it’s one of your videos. Another amazing video Joey.
You’re right, I hope that you don’t make mistakes, but the videos you make about them when they happen are super informative
Great looking saltwater Tank. The fish selection is great. I have a 40 gal saltwater with clowns, coral beauty, 6 line wrasse and bicolor dotty. I also have a pink cushion urchin, cleaner shrimp, sexy shrimp on my rock flower anemone plus some torch and frog spawn corals a Kenya tree coral and a pom, pom xenia You are right the colors and shape of saltwater fish can't be found in fresh water.
Hey man, not trying to hate your tank sounds good, but the dottyback and 6line can get agressive when they get older. Just something to watch out for!
Corbin Miller Thank you Corbin for the watch out. Thus far everyone is getting along great.
No lie I really missed seeing videos inside the gallery. Love everything about all the vids u put out.
Tell then everything,that’s how people learn from you. I don’t have huge tanks like you do but even the smallest thing like quarantining actually it’s not small, it’s important that we learn about these things. You’re right on top of everything, You know you have to make yourself happy, not me or anyone else , if they don’t like it they don’t have to look they can go ( I’ll be nice ) take a hike . You make me happy by just looking at your 🐠 room . 🤗 💖
Had fish in my quarantine last week and then bam. My powder brown was covered in it. I yanked the tang and 3 anthias and they are now cooking in Cupermine. They’re doing great with no sign of ich. I can only imagine what fresh he’ll I would have been in for if I had popped and dropped them into my 150gal reef! ALWAYS quarantine! All 4 of these fish looked perfect when they came home with me and no one had ever had ich in the tank I put them in before.
Update... Strangely enough the powder brown is fine but one of the anththias didn’t make it through the copper treatment. I don’t like to treat cupermine at full strength either. All the three remainders are now fattening up in an extra tank before going into the display next weekend.
I think I’m going to get into saltwater for the first time. I want to upgrade my 2 cichlid tanks to around 100 gallons each and use the smaller tanks (two 55 gallon) to try a reef setup.
Thanks for sharing reality. Love how the saltwater tank is turning out I'm glad you worked through the ick well
The gallery is like a 5 course meal of straight up eye candy!😘
Tangs are prone to Ick they are almost always have Ick. Tangs are a must for quarantine. Good video thanks.
Was it Ich or Marine Velvet? The 10 day timeline and sudden death makes it sound like Marine Velvet.
Looks a bit like velvet on that tang, along with that time frame
So sorry you lost those beauties... the tank looks awesome though ... maybe one day I'll get the guts to go for it... thank you for doing what you do... I've learned so much for you... keep up the good work!
I love the fox face.When I get my new house I'm gonna get some fox faces.
I believe that it is important to show everything, not just the good times. It shows the average person that even the professionals have difficult times as well.
Have you ever considered adding coral or anemone to the saltwater tank? It could be cool to watch the clowns host and you could show different behaviors
Thank you. Keep to basics. In previous videos you mentioned likely illnesses or infections that new fish can have. So I looked it up. On the web, magazines ,books,the shop. I built up a medicine cupboard for fish and plants. New knowledge needs encouragement !
Quarrentine tanks can just be a tub!
The ich looks more like velvet too me, I don't think ich can kill in a reef tank as long as they are eating and healthy, ich attacks weak and stressed fish.
Absolutely love this tank would love to have a salt water tank but just haven’t got the space maybe the next step eventually just love how your fish contrast with the scape and stand out so much and colour combinations are amazing 🔥
It's time for some coral on that rock!!
To risky with the Blue Face and trigger
Yes sir
He cant do coral its Joey he's a fish guy.
that’s why i like joey he doesn’t sugar coat anything and is honest with his mistakes
Do what makes you happy brother. Love your channel. Thanks for all of your amazing content. I've learned so much.
Sorry joey for your loss of the saltwater fish. U tried your best mate, chin up mate, the saltwater aquiruim is looking absolutely stunning tho great job and great video
2:25 puffer yawn on right
So cute I swear😭
That sux bro! I reckon that was a velvet breakout! I got it twice in 12months, QT & a good UV sterilizer does wonders, keep at it man tank looks kick arse looking forward to more updates of it!