This Keyboard is Powered by MAGNETS! H1-HERA (HALL EFFECT)
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
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If you're tired of the same old "Mechanical Keyboard," something new is here! Check out how Hephboard uses the "Hall Effect" to create a switch that is both smooth and customizable to bring more options to the keyboard hobby!
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Wooting and the Flux Keyboard brought me here.
It's nice to see a keyboard RUclipsr other than Chyrosran22 talk in-depth about alternative switch technology and the potential for innovation. These alternative products don't get enough attention or analysis in the enthusiast side of the hobby. One very interesting point of comparison I've noticed from trying contact-less switch types like this are that linears are smooth in a more "frictionless" way, as opposed to a thick lubed MX linear that feels more "buttery". The additional points of friction in the metal contacts usually gives more points for lube to affect the switch feel. So contactless switches are perfect for those who prefer that kind of airy smoothness and who don't want to bother with lubing, although lubing may still improve the sound.
Definitely, the lack of leaf and stem leg interaction does make the switch feel smoother for sure. I didn't even have to rip the thing apart and put krytox on it either. Hope we can see more innovations come out in the future!
How is that innovative? LMAO
my 1970s terminal keyboard has Hall effect switches.
should be noted that the ps5 controller doesnt use hall effect, it uses a standard potentiometer. a hall effect joystick would be much more perferable
why do keyboard manufacturers ignore half of the World and make ANSI type only.
Does anyone know the model of the hall sensors they use? The exact name, please.
analog signal should be the standard in keyboard. unlike mouse, which are designed for binary signal, sub mm travel, keyboards have a big travel distance in comparison. an opportunity for personalization that has been neglected. that travel distance should do something. I'm kind of surprised flaretech optical tech was not booming. probably cost effectiveness is the barrier
K70 Max user her
I also am running a board with Cherry MX reds. Both have double-shot PBT keycaps.
Hall effect switches do NOT sound the same as an MX switch and they don't feel the same either. The MGX HE switches are noticeably better than the reds.
I have two profiles one for typing and one for gaming and the typing profile is basically the "Cherry MX setting" while the gaming configuration is is significantly more sensitive. Configurable actuation and rapid keystroke reset is a game changer for PC gaming.
Are there any hall effect switches that are plug n play with various mechanical switch keyboards? Particularly to have the full range functionality like the joysticks in controllers.
Literally have the WASD keys with range of pressing and it brings back gaming keyboards to fight off gamepads and wheels in various racing games, as the acc/brake/steering will have analog use and not just digital click
Oh so this is what it is called and tested steelseries like stated here in comments .. that's why it felt different huh
SHADY COMPANY. THEY WENT SILENT AFTER THE KICKSTARTER WENT LIVE AND GOT THEIR 100% FUNDING. THEIR DISCORD HAS 0 ACTIVITY FROM THEM. JUST TAKE A QUICK GLANCE AT THEIR KICKSTARTER AND THE 'SEEN ON' ARE ALL FAKE.
where can i get this lmao
Don't bother. I got one, problems with BT, also keys often not registering while wired, support not answering to anybody for months.
Stupid switch, not needed. Another linear wobbly shit.
Hall didn't name the effect after himself.
Now make a hall effect optical switch...
i immediately thought of Squashy Bois magnet keeb lol
They actually gave someone's tracking code to them on a forum in plain site, so you know where they live. I wouldn't order this, too poorly managed.
Anybody else dislike the sound of mt3 caps? I had them at one point and I didn't like the sound with most configs.
this will destroy the market! im saving money
And Linux..
Have you got a link for the keycaps?
So its basically the custom keyboard version of the wooting 2
Nah this is a scam. We've been kept I'm the dark for over a month now, no one is replying on their Facebook, discord, or kickstsrter. They're gonna just take the 44k they made and sail.
This looks so interesting, would look forward to more polished magnet keyboards
Apex pro
More and more seem to be on the horizon! The wooting one is pretty cool!
@@cany7910 doesnt have analog support though
@@q_u_a_c_c yeah but I would prefer the apex pro it looks cool has a oled and the switches are lighter
@@cany7910 you know that you could just swap change the springs to lighter ones?
Thanks for recording and publishing in 1440p.
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well razer made that system first, its called analog switches
Analog uses lasers lol, this has nothing to do with lasers. Razer didn't invent shit, they borrowed an idea and implemented it into a switch.
2:24 Onwards for the science.
this is actually super cool. would be VERY applicable for a gaming macropad
I hope more manufacturers try new things!
wait.. can this drift like a joycon?
No as far as I'm aware it's either literally immune to stick drift or functionally immune to it due to nature of them having 0 physical contact between the moving parts.
but can you luuube it ?
Im pretty sure, yes but they are already really smooth
Nice. I have keyboard with hall-effect switches which is around 35 years old.
I think I speak for everyone when I say that we're here for that technical breakdown. Nice work
My favorite part is the skits 😄 and I love how he precisely tunes each board
:) Thanks! It's a good opportunity for me to brush up on things as well!
Haha, more skits are coming soon!
Love the technicalities of your videos. You do really great explainers
:) Thank you!
A in depth view on hall effect switches is much appreciated. Last one i've seen was from chyros. Well done!
Great video. Also got send a board as well. Can't wait to review it long-term! Also, can I link your video in my description for viewers than want to get into the nitty gritty with the hall-effect switches? thanks :)
No problem! Thanks!
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@@q_u_a_c_c agreed
as a matter of fact, Redragon recently launched their version of hall effect switches (called Polaris) and implemented that into their new keyboard, the Kumara Pro. It's really amazing that companies are thinking out of the box to deliver more variety of products!
How much is it? i just bought k552 lol
How is that new? LMAO
my 1970s terminal keyboard has Hall effect switches.
@@manuel0578 I don't think most people realize that most modern PC's are x86 which has been around since the late 70s. The PC industry doesn't innovate it just waits for people to forget history and drown in techno-babble-marketing-terms before re-releasing the same thing over again but "improved," rebranded and with LEDs.
oh my god im so happy that we're moving away from Cherry MX recolours, this makes me so excited for the future of keyboards
Also I'm very happy you mentioned the Honeywell keyboards, they're so cool and it's a massive shame the technology was abandoned for so long
Wow. Interesting video!
Wow! This is really innovative!! I love it 😄
Thank you! I hope more technology makes its way into the keyboards!
I'm ready for more hall effect switch and board options! Imagine designers implement both MX and Hall PCB options with their kits, the same way there was some MX & ALPs compatible (though I imagine it would require a different PCB design). Cheers!
Adjusting actuation points on the fly is already excellent, i think sending analogue signals with each key press to the computer would need a lot more advanced drivers and take more processing power. Durability is the strongest point for me though
How is that innovative? LMAO
my 1970s terminal keyboard has Hall effect switches. But back then they had two fixed magnets instead of one moving magnet like here.
wait that's actually a sick concept, cant wait to see where this takes the keyboard and the gaming industry
God I love the shape and design of the board over the GMMK pro and Keychron Q1 but I wanna have real switches over magnetic ones
Real switches? why would u want standard switches over these lol
@@zeenoh5811 Barely any switch options + they don't sound great + no variations of tactility
Very interested in this. I'm hoping others look at the design and make it their own.
I hope this type of tech and more get implemented more!
This keybord could make a video purely from the thockyness
I had a Steelseries Apex Pro for a while 3 years ago when I was first getting into keyboards. Definitely ridiculously smooth. I have a Wooting 60HE coming which a really cool technology where the key registers as up or down as soon as you change directions with no set activation point. For gaming, this means you can A/D strafe faster. Whether that tiny bit of extra speed means anything is up for debate though 😅
Cool! 😎
Thanks!
Cherry interference is unfortunate, I was told you can't rotate the switches 180 degrees like in the wooting board. Super unfortunate since I want a 75% hall effect.
btw Wooting also made 60% keeb
Yup, the one right? I'm curious how their two is going to be like
it's called 60HE, which I preordered and it will ship next month (finally after waiting since November 2021)
I seriously thought its some kind of maglev keyboard from looking at the thumbnail
I think Squashy did a version before... I really thought about making one... Thinking of expanding this channel by buying a glowforge and some other stuff and make random things
Whatever happened to this keyboard and company?? There has literally been ZERO updates or news about this keyboard. Did they just steal money from their kickstarter backers? Seems shady as hell
I'm assuming these switches are linear because they don't have legs for tactility?
Yup! Silent linears actually
@@Keybored there are also tactile options which contain a leaf for tactility
Can you review the wooting 60he when it comes out?
personally I think wooting has the best implementation
Will have to look into it!
Hey Keybored, not sure if you're still checking comments here but you seemed like the best person to ask. The Kickstarter for this board didn't do as well as they hoped, so they only made enough boards for the backers which apparently lost them money. Mine arrived a couple of months late and I'm not really expecting to ever hear from Hephboard again given how this went for them.
The keyboard itself is excellent and I'm very happy I bought it, but I'm very worried about one of the switches dying and there being no replacements. Did they tell you anything about the HE switches they used, like who manufactured them etc? Thanks
You can imagine how much reduction in the housing we could achieve with the hall effect mechanism. We're still stuck on the same old MX design but I would welcome a thinner, same travel distance version that could be achieved without the need to house a leaf.
For sure! I hope more companies start to explore this and help to create newer and better products in the future
Smaller switches means more space saving which could lead to more possible columns/rows OR just overall space on a desk. I love the idea of this.
Now this makes me wonder how you would review an old IBM keyboard like the model F. Especially since they have those buckling spring switches.
Hello Keybored, can you rebuild your Kmac again please?
Haha, it's with its owner right now. He has 2 and they're both awesome
So it's the same tech of OmniPoint switch by SteelSeries.......?
Yup
Is there a reason you did not reference the steelseries apex pro in this review? Steelseries did basically attempt everything this board already has.
next time! I did throw in the wooting and the keystone as examples :)
The switch tech might be cool. But I hate that they combined the arrow cluster with page up/down and home/end functionality. Also I don’t understand the need for a Mac/Win switch. If you’re going to be using it with a Windows laptop for working from home, and a Mac for everything else, you’re much better off remapping the keys with something like Karabiner Elements or AutoHotKey. Otherwise you have to remember to toggle the switch twice a day. If you’re going to be using either a Mac or a Windows machine, just put a dip switch on the bottom, or maybe use an obscure key combination to switch. A switch next to the BT/off/cable switch is far too easy to accidentally press.
Oh, and a 2.4 GHz dongle beats bluetooth every day.
My 2 cents, anyway.
A 75% kb with del, home, and keys + a knob? Tbh I've never seen a 75% with all those keys, so I've never purchased one. I'm not big into the kb space, so I don't know if I'll buy it, but $160 makes it a competitive kb for what you're getting.
It's like in the price points of a wireless Keychron, so this would be another alternative!
@@Keybored I would agree that's the case for the general audience. However Keychron's 75% layouts do not meet the requirements I listed above.
I would like to thank RUclips for sending me the notification 5 days AFTER it came out
Dancing keyboard..
lol at which part?
I think the Hall Effect "revival" was started by the XMIT keyboard some years ago, created by XMIT (he was active in Deskthority, GH, ..) and sold by Drop. I bought one myself upon release. The ideas in the XMIT were interesting, but the execution was not perfect (I never really liked my keyboard much TBH).
:( Sorry to hear that! I haven't heard about the XMIT before, but need to check it out
@@Keybored The XMIT saga also includes some drama with the manufacturer sidelining XMIT and selling their own version on Drop (the APT Hall Effect board). It ended with the demise of the whole project.
Sounds something like Razer Huntsman Analog. Scott, can you explain regarding the psychic on that too? Thanks.
Dind't the Dreamcast analog stick work with a similar principal?
:) The convergence of technology happening!
Speaking of controllers there is a huge problem that effects at least 90% of modern controllers called stick drift and if you ever use a controller you know what I mean instead of most modern controllers using the hall effect system they carbon filled potentiometers which are much more unreliable than the magnetic thumbsticks and it has three types of stick drift the first being dirt/debris getting inside of the potentiometers and causing the stick to think an action is being performed the second when the carbon walls degrade/erode overtime from general use which also causes the stick to think an action is being performed and the final one is when the spring in the analog stick wears down overtime and does not properly recenter the stick to its center position but if you are using a controller with magnetic/hall effect thumbsticks the only stick drift problem is when the spring doesn’t recenter properly.
I did end up doing the super early bird thing a few weeks ago because I saw aluminum and wireless. However I was disappointed with it being a hall switch, since we have a total of 3 choices. It also sounds awful, unfortunately. I hope the normal red sounds fine.
I was hoping to get this and use some thocku boba switches. I'll probably still get it and hopefully there will be a time where there is a good thocky switch.
Plus for $99 on the early bird that's not bad.
Racing games on keyboards might be possible now!!!
Seeing the Hall Effect gave me AP Physics C War Flashbacks
Traditionally Hall effect switches are incredibly smooth by design. How are these switches?
As a tactile gang i'm sad 😢
WAIT! There are tactile options for this keyboard containing a leaf for the tactility
Maglev switch wen
Haha, I hope soon! At least a nice and proper maglev mount will be pretty cool
You forgot to mention in the cons that this type of keyboards can be very expensive. Not Tenet70 expensive, but they are still huge wallet breakers
Some definitely can be expensive! This one is $150 or so, so I hope it's in the more manageable category! With switches and caps included!
I mean compared to the apex pro this is quite a bit cheaper, and with this kickstarter deal which idk if its still there a full alu chassis for 100$ is almost unheard of i know the durgod hades has it but its also not as good as this in other ways
Hey could you also link the hephboard discord for people with questions?
Since there is alot of then i see
I have been following this keyboard for the past few weeks and besides some exaggerated marketing terms, seems a great deal considering you can reserve your board for 1 dollar and only have it be 99 for a full alu bluetooth board with ok stock keycaps.
even at the full price of 150 it's pretty good. the pcb and switches are just standard designs which were tweaked or just recoloured, and the keycaps look nice at least
I think it's a good competitor to something that Keychron can offer. It's actually a decent keyboard for the office, etc.
Oooh, didn't even realize that
@@oatmilk9918 I think the full price is going to be 200 as their marketing states early bird price is 50 percent off, so somehow there probably is miscommunication between all their platforms.
what a beautiful looking board
Magnets have a lot of potential with keyboards. I'm surprised that no one has used magnets in keyswitches to create a tactile bump, or maglev mounted a PCB in a case. These are some things I've been wanting to experiment with.
there are maglev mounted cases, usually the plate is mounted
Modifying void hall effects might be a good way to start
There are those void switches by riskable, he managed to get a tactile bump. it's unfortunately a 3d printed switch tho
@@zeenoh5811 thats why i said modify😭
@@q_u_a_c_c ohhh I didn't see ur comment lol
riskable is insane I just really wish those switches were easily slotted in a custom, or in an OEM keyboard
WOOOO fuck yeaaaajhhhhh someone big revoewd this boardedd
It's an interesting board for sure
@@Keybored tahnsk for pisting this and helpigng hephboard🙏🙏🇦🇱🇦🇱
I was interested in this board, but their super sketchy marketing and lying on Reddit made me too cautious to buy into their kickstarter.
Honestly fair
Man, I really hope hall effect or optical switches take off because they are simply better than normal mechanical switches as long as the market for them grows
usually, I don't prefer the feel of optical switches that much, but these hall effect ones felt much more solid
Same. Not needing debounce is pretty great.
Great video and explainations
The technology is interesting, but it's a shame you only had silent switches to test, because it makes your sound test not very helpful. 😢
There will be non silent options which we can hope to hear sound tests of
Adjustable actuation would be a really cool feature. Hope that becomes available more
Can you use a pop filter, please?
i know steelseries is a gaming brand but they make some of the best hall effects that are also same mold by gateron that wooting uses so pretty comparable to lekkers
Can you put these switches on any third-party PCB?
Ive asked danylon about it being possible to swap void hall effects and h1 hall effects and he said no so i wouldnt assume it would work
Is it possible to take apart the switch and put it back together with the top housing inverted to be in a south-facing position to prevent interference with cherry profile keycaps?
since theres no leaf, maybe? has it been done before with optical switches? I would assume theyre the same?
10:30 sums up why I watch this channel lately.
Hahah, physics!
Can it be lubed / spring swapped?
What song did you use around 6:52?
Steelseries apex pro, but with a knob
The apex pro doesn't have nearly this level of sensitivity. More like a 75% wooting two
Yeah, it's like a more entry version of the wooting two with the lekker
yup! and more and more tech gets made into these and a super keyboard will be born! Lol... imagine OLED, Hall Effect with adjustments, maglev/spring mounting style, programmable, etc... closer than we think!
the Steelseries TLK Pro has the something similar. You can adjust the actuation point to make more responsive which is neat.
It has the capabilities of analog but they never implemented it, the hera should have analog
I’ve been thinking and maybe the real selling point is the ability to show off your switches on your refrigerator.
The idea of being able to stick my switches on my refrigerator just sounds amazing.
With non stock keycaps this keyboard sounds pretty good
Everyone's still waiting on that Keystone keyboard esp that Beamspring one. Silly that it's still in pre-order state.
But for real a 75% HE keyboard that costs less than either a Wooting or a SteelSeries Pro is mind boggling. And yes it's silent for what it offers.
Though the Wooting still wins for its full analog range, this could be a contender.
Wooting definitely has that extra for gamers for sure. I think this one, it's a more budget entry, but you get to experience what hall effect is all about so hey, no problems in that!
analog keyboards are really cool
Now the real question is, why the letter "B"?
Haha... I don't know... I used a Owlabs Spring to edit this and I saw the 2 "B" keys... I used the right B for the first time...