Arsenal absolutely dominated the first half and instead of going for the kill they began with their time wasting tactics. Slowing the game down and sitting on a lead. Scared to lose
I get that everyone loves to bash Arsenal but you’d be incensed if you conceded that as a pen. Same game Gabriel is tripped in the box before a cross and Liam delap fouled the same player off the ball. The fact he made a decision that quickly without review is fishy. Also chaps some games are just a 1-0 win, you don’t have to score 5 or 6 every week. Arsenal did that last term and still fell short.
@@Kyle-i5m6vHe intercepts the headed ball from Pedro and then they clash heads. No foul, get the doctors in to check for any head injuries and get on with the game. Unbelievable how soft football has become despite the technological advancements.
Arsenal fans ignoring the fact they did nothing in the final 30 mins to win the game 🤦♂️ but we’ll hear them blame the refs for not ignoring their fouls and stupid mistakes like kicking the ball away on a YELLOW card!
We are not ignoring the facts that we played poorly.. yes we should have played better, but the ref decision is crucial, without the penalty brighton will never score...never in football a head clash resulted in a penalty, im sure if saliba reacted the same way as joao pedro while holding his head, the penalty will never been given..
@@bobyy6557: I always claim most Arsenal fans are delusional. Arsenal fans after demolishing Southampton last season bragged they will destroy Porto and struggling Bayern on the path to the UCL finals. I couldn’t stop laughing at their stupidity. Really, Southampton is the yardstick for success in Europe!
As a Palace fan I absolutely hate giving Brighton credit for anything, but come on. Stevie is spot on. Saliba gets it all wrong -- that is definitely a penalty.
Lets say its a pen. Why wasnt kulusevski vs gordon a penalty? Why wasnt saliba given a card? There should be a standard which applies to all and not invent stuff in certain game
Can someone please as Shaka and these experts if Gordons vs Spurs was a penalty. These Arsenal haters are always negative about Arsenal even when they win. Stevie does not see any controversy but if that was Liverpool he would have an opinion. LOL PUNDITS
I am starting to wonder if the point of ESPN FC's reaction is to talk negatively about top teams' performance and not give any positive credit. I used to enjoy a little reaction from ESPN on the games bc it was highlighting both pros and cons in the games but now it's like let's just talk about all the bad things that might have happened through the game and criticize them as much as possible. I mean the Chelsea game reaction, the Arsenal game reaction, JEEEZZ!!!! I mean all the top teams are trying to win the league, they won't always win every single game, the opponent also has a plan and is also playing to win.
Well actually, Shaka did do that. If you had fully watched the video, he stopped in the middle to say, let's stop talking about Arsenal and give Brighton credit. I agree they talk too much about the top teams, but do you understand we are also only watching excerpts and clips from the entire show that airs on the ESPN TV channel? There's a full show that airs and you only click on the parts that pop up in your RUclips feed. So you're not seeing everything they're saying, are you? You're just seeing the part about your team...
Arteta always cry’s like a big baby and think it’s corruption whenever they drop points. Not sure why Arsenal are focusing on whether it was a pen or not. Brighton scored on 61 minutes. There was more than enough time for Arsenal to get a winner. Fact is Arsenal think they are better than they are….
@ extreme dictators , they always blame everyone and everything else , even when it’s starring you in the eyes , it’s always a conspiracy to take them down. sounds familiar with Arteta 😂 😂 😂 😂
@@yao052 Mans talking about calculus whilst sucking his thumb to hold back the tears 🤣. Maybe put the math books away and read a book on the laws of the game. it was a Penalty - The point being made is that Arsenal had more than enough time to right a perceived wrong, but they'd rather cry foul, time waste, and complain. Set Piece FC are a weak minded team with a weak minded manager. They're going to be watching another team lift the trophy again and they've only got themselves to blame.
Fits Arsenal and their fanbase perfectly. It’s like he studied their fans and knows what they want to hear. Never responsible, there’s always someone there to hurt them … even sometimes the weather was against them it had been raining eeh funny fanbase 😂
I remember the year 19/20 when Liverpool won the title, Moreno was the 1st one who said "it's over, Liverpool will win the league" at one point when Liverpool was holding a healthy lead in the table, every other pundits still skeptical or not willing to commit. I hope Moreno is right again.
Its over now we will have few bad games but same thing is gona happen to arsenal so title is ours only thing which can stop is VVD injury even salah we can afford to losw for few games
Spurs vs Liverpool last season, Curtis Jones trapped the ball and his foot rolled over the top and his studs caught the Spurs player's shin. VAR sent the ref to the monitor and on it was a still image of Jone's studs up on the shin. Red card. Getting the ball first was irrelevant on that occasion. Later the same season, Doku had his studs in Mac Allister's chest in the penalty area. No foul, VAR wasn't interested. Apparently touching the ball first mattered that time. Getting the ball first matters when they want it to and doesn't when they don't.
@@simonsimon325Okayy we all know the refs are poor and not consistent but what do you think is right then?? Either they are all pens or all aren’t pens. What’s your opinion??
@@mezzala1014 I'm a Liverpool fan, and I can honestly say I didn't complain when Curtis got sent off. I thought it was a bit harsh given there was no intent and he wasn't out of control, but his studs were up so... I think they're all fouls. Getting the ball first doesn't matter if you're endangering the player in the process.
@@mezzala1014 brother if he got it so wrong how did he touch the ball?? Like what are we talking about ? Getting it all wrong is being miles away from the ball
Minteh got a yellow when Gabriel held him during a counter attack. No Arsenal player got a yellow for arguing with Tony Taylor after the penalty award. But the reff siding with Brighton 😂
Enough with the excuses, i am an Arsenal fan and i have had enough. That was a penalty, a penalty is preventing a goal scoring opportunity and Saliba did that. Its a penalty. The big issue is what was players like Declan Rice and Merino doing all game. Sack Arteta simple
Arsenal fans who think they are getting Isak off Newcastle are already spreading Isak better than Haaland propaganda everywhere now. Arsenal fans need to seriously move on. Newcastle are never in a million years selling their top striker, and one of the very best in the world, to a Top 4 rival. Particularly with Newcastle having limitless money from their Saudi owners.
You talk as if you are the club owner. Newcastle are not arsenal rivals. They had a chance to buy big names in the past and didn't. And no one big wants to come there no longer.
You people literally don't watch football or keep up with it. It's literally been said ISAK is being moved on because they have no money. Their "investors" aren't funding anything at this moment.
Bro your a small club watch your mouth Newcastle is nowhere near arsenal and btw Newcastle not getting top 4🤡few good results n your clapping your feet stfu
There is no controversy about the penalty. There are those who say it was a penalty, and those who are wrong. There is controversy about Brighton's manhandling of Arsenal's players without penalty. (Literally in some cases)
@@hlonisoulo3033 watch it again. You know that play when the attacking player gets to the ball first, pokes it past the keeper or defender and gets taken down? That's exactly what happened here. He pushes the ball to go around the defender and Saliba takes him out with his head.
Injuries happen. Bad calls happen. Sometimes you have to win a game by 3 goals to win by 1 goal. Arsenal needs to take responsibility for what they did the rest of the match. Winners mentality.
Only difference is you will never see the penalty called today against arsenal ever called again this season, and you will never see another 2 red cards (even 1) given for kicking the ball away. That’s why arsenal fans are angry. There are way too many calls that are just not happening to other teams
'(Liverpool) all their best players fit & firing.' So sick of this. Konate, Gomez, Bradley out. We had Alisson, Jota, Elliott, Chiesa, Tsimikas, etc were all out for significant time too. We just kept winning though.
You're not allowed to state facts - it doesn't fit the narrative and takes away that little slither of an excuse for the likes of Arsenal, their manager, and fans.
The Premier League is very competitive this season no easy games for anyone it just goes to show how good Liverpool are playing. When we have had injuries we didn't use that as excuses. Liverpool are only going to get progressively better and better. We had our bad patch already watch and learn
Liverpool is playing very well and I think they will win the title but Liverpool hasn't been affected by long tem injuries to their key players like City and Arsenal. When we talk key players, i mean Salah, VVD not Chiesa etc. Liverpool are in the driving seat currently
Liverpool also had a bad time when Alisson, Konate, Trent and Jota were injured, which no one talks about because Slot won the games, imagine Kelleher not being as good as we saw him play in the last 6-7 games, Liverpool would not be in the same position now for sure
You didn't see such an incident before?What about Fabianski's punch against Gabriel's head in the West Ham game?Well instead of a head clash it was a hand head clash. Mikel Pulis thinks that he is talking to Alzheimer patients.
@@stavrosaristidou5779 Saliba touched the ball, fabianski did not. If Fabianski touched the ball first before contact with Gabriel, it wouldn’t have been a penalty. Have u never watched this sport before?
Fabiaski didn’t get the ball Saliba got the ball first then hit the player as he followed through with his header VAR should have picked it up but they didn’t bother and just went with the ref’s decision! It wasn’t a penalty. What’s knew these refs target Asernal with their doggy decisions
@@peterroosh8114it’s a pen you can’t just headbutt the player and then barely hit the ball and say I hit the ball I could break someone’s leg with a tackle if the ball hits my knee on accident it won’t be a foul man stfu
I’m sure you know a ton. That is just the internet theme that Arsenal fans are deluded. Simply lies. Sure ever fanbase has some, but not the majority of Arsenal supporters. More are pessimistic then deluded
@LaCheeserie are you an arsenal fan? If yes can you give us a liverpool and arsenal combined 11 with 4-3-3 formation and every playe playing their actual position Thanks
@@youwaiyap2708 now what happened to Liverpool why didn’t they win the game hhhhhhh am telling you Liverpool will were leading the league last season most of the time my only worry is man city coming back to EPL
@ what you smoking dude 12 points is nothing we man city can win 15 consecutive matches they have done before pep needs to defensive midfielder this January
The key word is when they play well;Arteta is just not good enough 2 be Arsenal;how can he be when he's never managed before;u don't come 2 Arsenal 2 learn;
At first I actually thought it was a penalty as it looked like a clear headbutt, but MOTD proved that Saliba actually headed the ball first before the clash of heads. VAR should have corrected the referee.
just because it touches your head doesn't mean you're purposefully heading it and have control, I honestly haven't watched much besides a small clip, but I think your premise is flawed
So if I’m running with the ball and a player slides in as I make a pass, the ball clips his knee and then he wipes me out, by your logic that’s not a foul because he ‘won the ball’
Bro he took Pedro out of the game... Pedro was gonna continue the play If Saliba didnt headbut him. If Saliba was faster it could be interpretated as a head collision challenge, but Saliba came too slow so its not considered a head clash. Pedro wasnt applyng any force when he got headbutted...
Game is soft if that's a penalty. If I wanna see kids play I wouldn't watch EPL. I'm sick of stupid mumbo jumbo foolishness the penalty was soft it's a man's game.
The elephant in the room here is that the reason Arsenal find themselves in these situations over and over again where isolated incidents are defining their games, is because they are too focused on reducing their games down to fine margins and eliminating risk. Ironically, this is then leaving them more vulnerable to poor results, whereas if they were to reduce their fear of opponents expressing themselves and instead focused on getting the full expression out of their own team, they’d be much better off. They need to have a mentality of “you may get one but we’ll score two or three” rather than obsessing so much over duels, margins, variance.
@alexeblade yeah bro, Moreno was and is probably still heavily criticised by some for his demonstrative/overly comical style of making points but I find it unique certainly on this panel.
Theyve scored 4 in the last 3. 9 in the last 4. Palance and Brentford was good. They were lucky against ipswich... today they drew cuz of lack of chances created
They should discuss the “accidental foul” in the Spurs vs Newscastle game that had Anthony Gordon bleeding all over the place but there was no foul or penalty given. It was apparently an accidental shoulder barge from Kulusevski.
Arsenal fans-"Stay humble." And actually try winning a trophy yourself before bantering a player who has already won 2 Premier League titles, a Champions League, and was actually very correct about Arteta needing to stay humble. Karma is coming straight back to Arsenal fans now.
@Football-gd7mi4 I’m not a City fan. Arsenal fans have zero ground to stand on about winning trophies. And Haaland was actually correct about telling Arteta and Arsenal to "Stay humble."
The media are a disgrace when it comes to Arsenal. That's why Arsenal has faced so many controversial decisions over the years from the officials, especially in the Premier League. If Arsenal tries to challenge for Liverpool, these officials become an obstruction to Arsenal. I guarantee you that we'll see the penalty decision with a different outcome, just like the Saliba red card earlier.
I don’t often post comments, BUT, the logic that an accidental impact is just as much of a foul as a deliberate one works in both directions. Saliba may have touched the ball accidentally, but he touched it. How many times have watched VAR look for the slightest touch and if it’s there, given a penalty, regardless that everyone knows the player went down completely deliberately the moment he felt the touch. Saliba touched the ball before the player. No penalty should have been given by VAR. They 100% got this wrong on a completely technical issue that they had a camera angle to see.
An ex Liverpool player says it’s a penalty. What a shock. You slide tackle in the box and touch the ball first before touching the player it’s no pen. Touch the ball with your head before touching the pleyer it’s no pen.
The question that the panel should ask this so called pundits is: Did you guys ever seen a penalty given in this circumstances? Pundits: No never seen! This is a first Then their explanation is irrelevant if they never seen such a call from the refs 😂😂😂
@FRAZZ2017 Ipswich against Chelsea got a penalty when there was just a hair touch on Delap, while against Everton even when Pickford took out the man nothing was given. So not Chelsea
@@preethamhazard The rules keep changing.....why was Newcastle goal stand when Joelinton clearly handled the ball before the goal? Any hand ball before a goal is always cancelled usually & where was VAR?
Problem with Arsenal fans … can never admit anything that goes against their club. If that was on Martinelli you’d screaming penalty. I actually can’t believe there’s even talk about that … it’s a more clear pen than when players mistime the tackle. This one is more dangerous.
Julian: "Liverpool's best players are all fit" Really? We didn't have Konate for more than a month, Gomez just limped off last week aftrr he covered for the absence of both Robertson and Trent... Jota just came back after 4 months,
I bet all these people in the comments saying that Saliba's challenge was a pen will be the first to deny it if their players committed the same challenge
That's not what he said, no more than saying that a player making a late challenge with his foot kicked a player means that you are saying he deliberately kicked that player. Jesus wept; some people.
I've never seen Arsenal so scared to play smaller teams until Arteta. Being cautious against teams like this is not how title winners act. I don't care if Brighton are good and if they beat some other teams, if Arsenal want to be the best they have to act like it and learn to dominant games not just by useless possession but also with chance creation.
Juls is the only one doing proper punditry in this conversation Everything is so good for the Liverpool right now with all key players fit that there is no competition for the title this season
Waw, never heard a bullcrap like that one by Stevie Nicols. Arsenal lack desire to go and win the Premier League! How does he sees that? Are these pundits only speaking to create headlines or what? The team tries and Arteta didn't even speak about the penalty before the media kept asking and insisting. Teams drop points. Liverpool has been competing for the Premier League in the last 7 seasons and have won it once during covid. Once they failed short with 91 points to Man City 92 was it because they lacked desire? Let me just remind you that in the same time they have played 3 Champions League finals and one Europa League final winning only 1 Champions League trophy. Did they lack desire too? What about the season where they had all the 4 trophies on sight and ended up with only the Carabao cup and the FA cup? Stop nonsense. Winning a trophy like the PL or the Champions League is not a walk in the park where only you have to desire it. Others too work hard to get the same trophy and sometime you fall short no matter how much you desire it.
All that nonsense you typed, ASSna FC aka Bottlers haven't won a trophy in a long time, but their delusional fans like you keep making excuses for them. Comparing Liverpool last season, where they actually won a trophy to ASSna is silly!
What's with Arsenal missing players? Where Arsenal had 5 (five) players in their injury list, Brighton had 6 (six) on the injury list. What's the excuse there. This guy from London saw Saliba head the ball before the headbutt. From where was he watching¿ Saliba did not even touch the ball. It was already out of range by the time the heads came into contact. What a stupid bias.
If it was, what of the one in the first game, Spurs vs Newcastle?? The same pundits and professional refs called it a coming together. The problem is when there is no consistence from refs.
Even if you get a touch on the ball, if your follow through catches the player it is deemed a foul. The bigger controversy is why Gordon of Newcastle wasn't awarded a penalty.
it’s in arsenal culture most of the season and games when they score first rarely whenever the ey score first, even this season their playing style is not at standard winning mentality very low
Brighton FC - 11 shots(4 on goal) - 1.59 XG.......................ParkTheBus FC - 9 shots (3 on goal) - 1.07 XG..................Brighton should have won. ParkTheBus FC were fortunate to get a draw.
Everytime Arsenal drops points, Arteta always blames the referee and somehow keeps himself safe but he's actually the problem, his tactics are slowly being mastered. The set piece tactics are being mastered and Arteta should have more options on the table
It was a tough match, a point was good given the circumstances, that was a makeshift Arsenal team... Not having 4 of your most influential players makes a huge difference...
If someone will tell you that these people played football professionally, you’d struggle to believe them…
Why is that?
They're paid to back the refs /pgmol
True
The question was not if arsenal played well, it was if that's a penalty
A foul in the box is penalty
They need to be more aggressive if they really want to win the title. As soon as they score they didn’t attack again
That's called the park the bus tactics 😂😂
@@Kwami357Arteta doesn't make the team play good attacking football. Partey in rightback is horrendous coaching what is he doing
Say that next season pal. This one is over for Arsenal.
@@Kwami357 park the bus tactics with more of the possesion than other team? what new park the bus is this
They've been doing this every year. They score and sit back.
Arsenal absolutely dominated the first half and instead of going for the kill they began with their time wasting tactics. Slowing the game down and sitting on a lead. Scared to lose
They weren’t that dominating in the first half. Scored early by a goalie error and then choose to sit back.
@@JollyRedGianttime wasting in the first half is peak haram football
Yup, not the behavior of confident title contenders.
@JollyRedGiant they controlled the half entirely and Brighton had no chances of note.
@@MrFonzi84 yes for real if you want to win the title you have to be ruthless
I get that everyone loves to bash Arsenal but you’d be incensed if you conceded that as a pen. Same game Gabriel is tripped in the box before a cross and Liam delap fouled the same player off the ball. The fact he made a decision that quickly without review is fishy. Also chaps some games are just a 1-0 win, you don’t have to score 5 or 6 every week. Arsenal did that last term and still fell short.
Be careful being logical on here 😅
Dry your tears 😢
Also, Brighton was very good in the second half....give them credit 👏
Good thing there is slow motion to see that Saliba actually touchec the ball first...it seems VAR is just for match fixing
Touching the ball first does not = no foul
@Kyle-i5m6v what????
@@Kyle-i5m6vHe intercepts the headed ball from Pedro and then they clash heads. No foul, get the doctors in to check for any head injuries and get on with the game. Unbelievable how soft football has become despite the technological advancements.
Arsenal fans ignoring the fact they did nothing in the final 30 mins to win the game 🤦♂️ but we’ll hear them blame the refs for not ignoring their fouls and stupid mistakes like kicking the ball away on a YELLOW card!
We are not ignoring the facts that we played poorly.. yes we should have played better, but the ref decision is crucial, without the penalty brighton will never score...never in football a head clash resulted in a penalty, im sure if saliba reacted the same way as joao pedro while holding his head, the penalty will never been given..
Plus they kicked the ball away
Varsenal fans are the biggest crybabies in the world 😂😂😂.
I had to check I wasn't watching an Atletico game when they started wasting time in the FIRST HALF.
@@bobyy6557: I always claim most Arsenal fans are delusional. Arsenal fans after demolishing Southampton last season bragged they will destroy Porto and struggling Bayern on the path to the UCL finals. I couldn’t stop laughing at their stupidity. Really, Southampton is the yardstick for success in Europe!
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Where was he?
@maneshipocrates2264 vacation leave
As a Palace fan I absolutely hate giving Brighton credit for anything, but come on. Stevie is spot on. Saliba gets it all wrong -- that is definitely a penalty.
How if he touches the ball before head clash?
@@Zenosamax2I'm not sure saliba touched the ball
Lets say its a pen. Why wasnt kulusevski vs gordon a penalty? Why wasnt saliba given a card? There should be a standard which applies to all and not invent stuff in certain game
Can someone please as Shaka and these experts if Gordons vs Spurs was a penalty. These Arsenal haters are always negative about Arsenal even when they win. Stevie does not see any controversy but if that was Liverpool he would have an opinion. LOL PUNDITS
That's why I have never liked a reaction of ESPN with these guys
@@mahmudyakubu2241 then what you doing here?
Well said! The same professional all agreed Gordon vs Spurs was a coming together yet it was even more clearer!!
Ya’ll so desperate…. One is a headbutt the other is Gordon running into a shoulder lol
Oh look at the bottle fans crying in the comment section. Just accept the truth you guys were pathetic and also bottler
I am starting to wonder if the point of ESPN FC's reaction is to talk negatively about top teams' performance and not give any positive credit. I used to enjoy a little reaction from ESPN on the games bc it was highlighting both pros and cons in the games but now it's like let's just talk about all the bad things that might have happened through the game and criticize them as much as possible. I mean the Chelsea game reaction, the Arsenal game reaction, JEEEZZ!!!! I mean all the top teams are trying to win the league, they won't always win every single game, the opponent also has a plan and is also playing to win.
ASSna FC is not a top team with 0 UCL TROPHIES!
@@dreddmann6532 grow up
Ali is the worst of them. He made it his niche to be the negative guy and often seems to pick at other pundits seemingly not to their liking.
Well actually, Shaka did do that. If you had fully watched the video, he stopped in the middle to say, let's stop talking about Arsenal and give Brighton credit. I agree they talk too much about the top teams, but do you understand we are also only watching excerpts and clips from the entire show that airs on the ESPN TV channel? There's a full show that airs and you only click on the parts that pop up in your RUclips feed. So you're not seeing everything they're saying, are you? You're just seeing the part about your team...
Cos that’s what attracts the most views
Arteta always cry’s like a big baby and think it’s corruption whenever they drop points. Not sure why Arsenal are focusing on whether it was a pen or not. Brighton scored on 61 minutes. There was more than enough time for Arsenal to get a winner. Fact is Arsenal think they are better than they are….
Deluded. Arteta is deluded.
@ extreme dictators , they always blame everyone and everything else , even when it’s starring you in the eyes , it’s always a conspiracy to take them down. sounds familiar with Arteta 😂 😂 😂 😂
Without the penalty it’s a 0-1 win. Or didn’t you forget your calculus skills when posting your clownish rants?
@@yao052 Mans talking about calculus whilst sucking his thumb to hold back the tears 🤣. Maybe put the math books away and read a book on the laws of the game. it was a Penalty - The point being made is that Arsenal had more than enough time to right a perceived wrong, but they'd rather cry foul, time waste, and complain. Set Piece FC are a weak minded team with a weak minded manager. They're going to be watching another team lift the trophy again and they've only got themselves to blame.
@@waynemorton6120Explain how it was a penalty when he got ball first? Explain that Mr Rulebook.
Anything against arteta is always some controversy or doesn’t make sense 🙄 needs to grow up
Fits Arsenal and their fanbase perfectly. It’s like he studied their fans and knows what they want to hear. Never responsible, there’s always someone there to hurt them … even sometimes the weather was against them it had been raining eeh funny fanbase 😂
@@mezzala1014exactly
It's covers for the fact he's an average player and manager
Yep Arsenal have to stay humble. But they have been for the last 20 years. So no problem.
And 130 charges needs to stay humble because you are still nobody
@@coldheart1990 cold heart or stupid man 🧍♂️⁉️🙄
Arsenal being humble is the definition of an oxymoron..
@@coldheart1990nobody city is one of the best team in the world rn even in their worse season arsenal fans to be ashamed
what place are city even in? really who even knows anymore
I remember the year 19/20 when Liverpool won the title, Moreno was the 1st one who said "it's over, Liverpool will win the league" at one point when Liverpool was holding a healthy lead in the table, every other pundits still skeptical or not willing to commit.
I hope Moreno is right again.
moreno is a cretin, but a broken clock will be right and all that
Its over now we will have few bad games but same thing is gona happen to arsenal so title is ours only thing which can stop is VVD injury even salah we can afford to losw for few games
Exactly mate 😂 I recalled the same thing
Idk why "getting the ball first" gets tossed around so casually. Getting a nick and then taking out the man doesn't mean ur in the right
Spurs vs Liverpool last season, Curtis Jones trapped the ball and his foot rolled over the top and his studs caught the Spurs player's shin. VAR sent the ref to the monitor and on it was a still image of Jone's studs up on the shin. Red card. Getting the ball first was irrelevant on that occasion. Later the same season, Doku had his studs in Mac Allister's chest in the penalty area. No foul, VAR wasn't interested. Apparently touching the ball first mattered that time. Getting the ball first matters when they want it to and doesn't when they don't.
@@simonsimon325Okayy we all know the refs are poor and not consistent but what do you think is right then?? Either they are all pens or all aren’t pens. What’s your opinion??
@@mezzala1014 I'm a Liverpool fan, and I can honestly say I didn't complain when Curtis got sent off. I thought it was a bit harsh given there was no intent and he wasn't out of control, but his studs were up so... I think they're all fouls. Getting the ball first doesn't matter if you're endangering the player in the process.
@@simonsimon325 I agree as well. In modern game those are pens.
@@mezzala1014 brother if he got it so wrong how did he touch the ball?? Like what are we talking about ? Getting it all wrong is being miles away from the ball
Minteh got a yellow when Gabriel held him during a counter attack. No Arsenal player got a yellow for arguing with Tony Taylor after the penalty award. But the reff siding with Brighton 😂
Calafiori did 😏
@@muneeryaqubdid jorginho get a red for a stud up donkey kick on veltman?
Enough with the excuses, i am an Arsenal fan and i have had enough. That was a penalty, a penalty is preventing a goal scoring opportunity and Saliba did that. Its a penalty. The big issue is what was players like Declan Rice and Merino doing all game. Sack Arteta simple
We’re second in the league, flying high in the Champions League, semi final of a cup, lots of injuries and you want to sack the manager. Get a grip!😊
There are many questionable decisions by refs in PL but this wasn't one of those
Saliba wins the ball before head clash
@kageafc in what reality did Saliba win the ball first??
But we have seen when someone follows through after getting the ball, they usually give a foul so what's different in this case @@kageafc
@@kageafc winning the ball isn’t having the ball graze your head after Pedro already beat you to it 😂
The first Newcastle goal being allowed to stand today was a worse decision and I hate Spurs
Arsenal fans who think they are getting Isak off Newcastle are already spreading Isak better than Haaland propaganda everywhere now. Arsenal fans need to seriously move on. Newcastle are never in a million years selling their top striker, and one of the very best in the world, to a Top 4 rival. Particularly with Newcastle having limitless money from their Saudi owners.
That's crazy😂😂😂😂
You talk as if you are the club owner. Newcastle are not arsenal rivals. They had a chance to buy big names in the past and didn't. And no one big wants to come there no longer.
You people literally don't watch football or keep up with it. It's literally been said ISAK is being moved on because they have no money. Their "investors" aren't funding anything at this moment.
😅😅 bro chilll we dont need Isak
Bro your a small club watch your mouth Newcastle is nowhere near arsenal and btw Newcastle not getting top 4🤡few good results n your clapping your feet stfu
There is no controversy about the penalty. There are those who say it was a penalty, and those who are wrong.
There is controversy about Brighton's manhandling of Arsenal's players without penalty. (Literally in some cases)
Stone cold PK, he took him out with his head.
He got the ball first that’s the rule
@@hlonisoulo3033 watch it again. You know that play when the attacking player gets to the ball first, pokes it past the keeper or defender and gets taken down? That's exactly what happened here. He pushes the ball to go around the defender and Saliba takes him out with his head.
Injuries happen. Bad calls happen. Sometimes you have to win a game by 3 goals to win by 1 goal. Arsenal needs to take responsibility for what they did the rest of the match. Winners mentality.
It's as simple as that in sport. Do everything in the game to win!
Only difference is you will never see the penalty called today against arsenal ever called again this season, and you will never see another 2 red cards (even 1) given for kicking the ball away. That’s why arsenal fans are angry. There are way too many calls that are just not happening to other teams
How many times have bad calls happened against Arsenal now?
Shameful time wasting IN THE FIRST HALF. Embarrassing.
Varsenal parks the bus and wastes time and tries to play like a championship team. Embarrassing.
'(Liverpool) all their best players fit & firing.'
So sick of this. Konate, Gomez, Bradley out. We had Alisson, Jota, Elliott, Chiesa, Tsimikas, etc were all out for significant time too.
We just kept winning though.
You're not allowed to state facts - it doesn't fit the narrative and takes away that little slither of an excuse for the likes of Arsenal, their manager, and fans.
Shhh... Arsenal crybabies don't like hearing facts.
The Premier League is very competitive this season no easy games for anyone it just goes to show how good Liverpool are playing. When we have had injuries we didn't use that as excuses. Liverpool are only going to get progressively better and better. We had our bad patch already watch and learn
Liverpool is playing very well and I think they will win the title but Liverpool hasn't been affected by long tem injuries to their key players like City and Arsenal. When we talk key players, i mean Salah, VVD not Chiesa etc. Liverpool are in the driving seat currently
Did Liverpool lose any key players?
Liverpool also had a bad time when Alisson, Konate, Trent and Jota were injured, which no one talks about because Slot won the games, imagine Kelleher not being as good as we saw him play in the last 6-7 games, Liverpool would not be in the same position now for sure
For Arsenal scoring goals is hard that’s a big problem for them. And for Liverpool and Man city scoring goals is easier than Arsenal.
A terrible city without a dm is playing better than arsenal😂😂
@@zackry-c6sthey're 5 points behind Arsenal you whopper
Arsenal played without 3 best players in the attack, try again. Take Salah, Gakpo and Diaz out of the squad and they wont even score
@@leetaipe Jealousy looks good on you. Keep it up 😂
@@waynemorton6120 these are facts. SalahFC havent faced any problems with injuries yet, wait until it comes
You didn't see such an incident before?What about Fabianski's punch against Gabriel's head in the West Ham game?Well instead of a head clash it was a hand head clash. Mikel Pulis thinks that he is talking to Alzheimer patients.
@@stavrosaristidou5779 Saliba touched the ball, fabianski did not. If Fabianski touched the ball first before contact with Gabriel, it wouldn’t have been a penalty. Have u never watched this sport before?
@@jwrickywhat? Saliba didn't even touch the ball, watch the replay
It's a clear foul
@ obviously it’s confirmed he did, you should probably watch the replay angles.
Fabiaski didn’t get the ball Saliba got the ball first then hit the player as he followed through with his header VAR should have picked it up but they didn’t bother and just went with the ref’s decision! It wasn’t a penalty. What’s knew these refs target Asernal with their doggy decisions
@@peterroosh8114it’s a pen you can’t just headbutt the player and then barely hit the ball and say I hit the ball I could break someone’s leg with a tackle if the ball hits my knee on accident it won’t be a foul man stfu
Arsenal fans actually delude themselves into thinking their players are world class, and blame their flaws on refs
Unknown because you're actually dumb 😂
Yes many Arsenal fans are delusional but also yes the refs screw them all the time
I’m sure you know a ton. That is just the internet theme that Arsenal fans are deluded. Simply lies. Sure ever fanbase has some, but not the majority of Arsenal supporters. More are pessimistic then deluded
@LaCheeserie are you an arsenal fan? If yes can you give us a liverpool and arsenal combined 11 with 4-3-3 formation and every playe playing their actual position
Thanks
What is your definition of a world class player ?
Lpool losing to MU? Has Amorim called Jose M on how to park the bus? 🤔🤔
@@youwaiyap2708 now what happened to Liverpool why didn’t they win the game hhhhhhh am telling you Liverpool will were leading the league last season most of the time my only worry is man city coming back to EPL
@@AbdiazizAbdi-q5e Yeah.... can bet MC will revive & finish Top4 but to win the league? 🤔🤔
@ what you smoking dude 12 points is nothing we man city can win 15 consecutive matches they have done before pep needs to defensive midfielder this January
No one likes Arsenal those pundits all show up once Arsenal gets a bad day and disappear when they perform well
The key word is when they play well;Arteta is just not good enough 2 be Arsenal;how can he be when he's never managed before;u don't come 2 Arsenal 2 learn;
Victim mentality FC
Well, they show up a lot these days don’t they? This ‘no one likes us’ gimmick is getting out of hand. You make yourself always bigger than you are.
and when was that? ASSma fc hasn't won a trophy in a long time!
Arsenal fans are not using Manchester City as an excuse for not winning the PL this season
Steve's opinion about Arsenal always needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.
Arsenal fans would have to wait for another year to win the epl
Another year of arsenal bottling the league again 😂😂
Arsenal all or nothing Season 4
Maybe more 😂😂😂
Another year? Are you sure? They have been saying that for 20 years 😂😂
Come on, they're winning it... I mean the community shield 😂😂
So if a defender challenges for a ball in the box and takes the ball and then the player takes the man is it a penalty
At first I actually thought it was a penalty as it looked like a clear headbutt, but MOTD proved that Saliba actually headed the ball first before the clash of heads. VAR should have corrected the referee.
just because it touches your head doesn't mean you're purposefully heading it and have control, I honestly haven't watched much besides a small clip, but I think your premise is flawed
So if I’m running with the ball and a player slides in as I make a pass, the ball clips his knee and then he wipes me out, by your logic that’s not a foul because he ‘won the ball’
Pedro had the best chance to follow the ball if no headbutt, 100% penalty.
Bro he took Pedro out of the game... Pedro was gonna continue the play If Saliba didnt headbut him. If Saliba was faster it could be interpretated as a head collision challenge, but Saliba came too slow so its not considered a head clash. Pedro wasnt applyng any force when he got headbutted...
Game is soft if that's a penalty. If I wanna see kids play I wouldn't watch EPL. I'm sick of stupid mumbo jumbo foolishness the penalty was soft it's a man's game.
Let's be real. If that headbutt happened to our player, we would be crying for a penalty. Let's stop playing this stupid games guys😂😂
Set Pieces FC. No a set piece goal no win. Ale hit the nail on the head. Arteta should be ashamed of himself over his PK comment😂😂
By the sounds of it
We beat your plastic club. You glaze us more then ur mrs glazes you 🐸☕️
ww didnt score from a set piece
Watching Arsenal corner goals, 75% of the time, it should be called obstruction of the keeper on the Arsenal.
Waiting for arsenal to hire an open play coach.😂
Most of arsenal’s goals are from open play???? Liverpool have 3 less set piece goals than we do.
The elephant in the room here is that the reason Arsenal find themselves in these situations over and over again where isolated incidents are defining their games, is because they are too focused on reducing their games down to fine margins and eliminating risk. Ironically, this is then leaving them more vulnerable to poor results, whereas if they were to reduce their fear of opponents expressing themselves and instead focused on getting the full expression out of their own team, they’d be much better off.
They need to have a mentality of “you may get one but we’ll score two or three” rather than obsessing so much over duels, margins, variance.
Ali Moreno has really improved 👏🏽
I used to not like his punditry but I’ve enjoyed his view and punditry of football the past year
@alexeblade yeah bro, Moreno was and is probably still heavily criticised by some for his demonstrative/overly comical style of making points but I find it unique certainly on this panel.
When it comes to Liverpool, it’s never over. They are the domain experts of self-sabotage.
That title passed to Arsenal a couple of seasons ago - and it will continue this season......Bridesmaids FC 😂
Ali Moreno is my favorite ESPN Analyst
Why are you all sugarcoating this.Saliba eyes are wide open,and he went for Pedro's head INTENTIONALLY
Arteta is pathetic 🤢🤢🤢🤮
It was %100 penalty 🤷♀️
Lets wait when it comes to your time but unfortunately you can never see it happen again untill you leave these world.😂😂😂
The difference in intelligence between Jules and the rest of the boys is scary, he's too intelligent for this panel.
Asernal has scored 9 goals in the last three games and these lot are talking about they don’t create chances? Sods
Theyve scored 4 in the last 3. 9 in the last 4. Palance and Brentford was good. They were lucky against ipswich... today they drew cuz of lack of chances created
@ okay but the bozzo in glasses seems to allude that they have not been creating enough chances at all not just about this game
You can't headbutt a player lol😂😂 that's your "world class" Saliba.
So headbutting someone doesn't make you 'world class'. Zidane might have something to say about it.
I think the confusion is cos we haven't seen such a challenge before and the decision made based on it.
As an Arsenal fan, okay they got a questionable pen. But we had a whole 30 mins plus injury time. Im done with arteta man.
They should discuss the “accidental foul” in the Spurs vs Newscastle game that had Anthony Gordon bleeding all over the place but there was no foul or penalty given. It was apparently an accidental shoulder barge from Kulusevski.
Arsenal fans-"Stay humble." And actually try winning a trophy yourself before bantering a player who has already won 2 Premier League titles, a Champions League, and was actually very correct about Arteta needing to stay humble. Karma is coming straight back to Arsenal fans now.
You stay humble missing out on ucl 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Football-gd7mi4clearly someone hasn’t seen the standing…the difference 6th place to 3rd is 3 points…fake football fan
City's titles mean nothing, it's all bought. It's easy winning, when you have an all star team, and your owners cheat.
@Football-gd7mi4
I’m not a City fan. Arsenal fans have zero ground to stand on about winning trophies. And Haaland was actually correct about telling Arteta and Arsenal to "Stay humble."
Next season fc will end up trophyless again like last season 😂😂
The media are a disgrace when it comes to Arsenal. That's why Arsenal has faced so many controversial decisions over the years from the officials, especially in the Premier League. If Arsenal tries to challenge for Liverpool, these officials become an obstruction to Arsenal. I guarantee you that we'll see the penalty decision with a different outcome, just like the Saliba red card earlier.
Steve is 100% Right! Gordon was way different! He runs in to kuru shoulder.
I don’t often post comments, BUT, the logic that an accidental impact is just as much of a foul as a deliberate one works in both directions. Saliba may have touched the ball accidentally, but he touched it. How many times have watched VAR look for the slightest touch and if it’s there, given a penalty, regardless that everyone knows the player went down completely deliberately the moment he felt the touch.
Saliba touched the ball before the player. No penalty should have been given by VAR. They 100% got this wrong on a completely technical issue that they had a camera angle to see.
Nicol is spot on. I watched it once, clear pen.
Once....solid analysis 👌🏿
that old guy always hate arsenal
Arsenal were never title contenders, not with a squad like that.
Top 4 is a good and maximum achievement.
That Brighton team missed out some important players. I can't buy their case of missing Saka and Havert
Arsenal = Next Season FC 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Netflix FC like Evra said😂
An ex Liverpool player says it’s a penalty. What a shock. You slide tackle in the box and touch the ball first before touching the player it’s no pen. Touch the ball with your head before touching the pleyer it’s no pen.
These Pool’s fanboys now get their chance to shoot down Arsenal.
Arsenal shoot themselves down … 7 draws! They aren’t ready for the title. Maybe next season hahaha
Bottle fc you mean
07:30 to who knows when. Can this Alli fella let others speak? He doesn't listen, and doesn't have anything to say
Always excuses...fire loser arteta
Trust the process lol
@@noname-qb7ir Trust in bottling 😂😂
Arteta never makes excuses. stop projecting.
Stevie being humble ...he knows its over
That was clearly a penalty but was intentional by Saliba
Controversy won't be there if Arsenal scored more goals that is the thing
Juls analysis made the hosts look like school kids.
The question that the panel should ask this so called pundits is:
Did you guys ever seen a penalty given in this circumstances?
Pundits: No never seen! This is a first
Then their explanation is irrelevant if they never seen such a call from the refs
😂😂😂
Anthony Gordon got his nose busted in the box today after he got a legit touch on the ball, and nothing was even considered let alone given🤷
Double standard in EPL.
If that was chelsea liverpool or arsenal they would have gotten that call
@FRAZZ2017 Ipswich against Chelsea got a penalty when there was just a hair touch on Delap, while against Everton even when Pickford took out the man nothing was given. So not Chelsea
@@preethamhazard The rules keep changing.....why was Newcastle goal stand when Joelinton clearly handled the ball before the goal? Any hand ball before a goal is always cancelled usually & where was VAR?
@@FRAZZ2017 if it was like you say then the pen would not have been given against Ars today, if there was favouritism towards those teams you mention
He hit the player with his head when the Brighton player was about to get it... dangerous play.
Steve Nichol.has never got over Anfield 89 .
It was never a pen. Saliba touched the ball before the head-clash .
Nailed on penalty.
Problem with Arsenal fans … can never admit anything that goes against their club. If that was on Martinelli you’d screaming penalty. I actually can’t believe there’s even talk about that … it’s a more clear pen than when players mistime the tackle. This one is more dangerous.
wake up, accept criticism and stop crying 😂
thinking you can rely on past “grievances” as the reason someone criticizes your team is pathetic
😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
He got over it by reminding himself that he won a CL trophy, something that ASSna Fc will NEVER WIN!
It's a Penalty, it's given and it's justified 💯💯💯💯
I absolutely agree with Stevie and the desire. That was crazy, we need to see the fight for the title.
What title? Liverpool have 15 points to drop for 90 points. Arsenal have 4 😂
Julian: "Liverpool's best players are all fit"
Really? We didn't have Konate for more than a month, Gomez just limped off last week aftrr he covered for the absence of both Robertson and Trent... Jota just came back after 4 months,
This platform just don’t like Arsenal. They’re just a piece of zt
I bet all these people in the comments saying that Saliba's challenge was a pen will be the first to deny it if their players committed the same challenge
Stevie is saying Saliba deliberately head butted Pedro? He was going fir the ball....for God's sake Stevie common
If you headbutt someone accidentally or not it's a foul had he positioned himself better he wouldn't have committed the headbutt
@@liamfenech6609 thats still brain dead by stevie even if you say its a foul or not
Saliba was late and ended up headbutting Joao Pedro. It didn’t look intentional, but does that even matter?
There doesn't need to be a deliberate intent to foul for it to be given.
That's not what he said, no more than saying that a player making a late challenge with his foot kicked a player means that you are saying he deliberately kicked that player.
Jesus wept; some people.
I've never seen Arsenal so scared to play smaller teams until Arteta. Being cautious against teams like this is not how title winners act. I don't care if Brighton are good and if they beat some other teams, if Arsenal want to be the best they have to act like it and learn to dominant games not just by useless possession but also with chance creation.
There was nothing controversial about the penalty. It was an obvious penalty. The Arsenal player was lucky not to get a red card.
Juls is the only one doing proper punditry in this conversation
Everything is so good for the Liverpool right now with all key players fit that there is no competition for the title this season
Waw, never heard a bullcrap like that one by Stevie Nicols. Arsenal lack desire to go and win the Premier League! How does he sees that? Are these pundits only speaking to create headlines or what? The team tries and Arteta didn't even speak about the penalty before the media kept asking and insisting. Teams drop points. Liverpool has been competing for the Premier League in the last 7 seasons and have won it once during covid. Once they failed short with 91 points to Man City 92 was it because they lacked desire? Let me just remind you that in the same time they have played 3 Champions League finals and one Europa League final winning only 1 Champions League trophy. Did they lack desire too? What about the season where they had all the 4 trophies on sight and ended up with only the Carabao cup and the FA cup? Stop nonsense. Winning a trophy like the PL or the Champions League is not a walk in the park where only you have to desire it. Others too work hard to get the same trophy and sometime you fall short no matter how much you desire it.
All that nonsense you typed, ASSna FC aka Bottlers haven't won a trophy in a long time, but their delusional fans like you keep making excuses for them. Comparing Liverpool last season, where they actually won a trophy to ASSna is silly!
Ruthlessness lacking. Taking our feet 👣 of the gas after scoring. We should be lucky to get a point.
Total nonsense no penalty bias analysis.
😭 Do you need a tissue?😭😭 Crymore
What's with Arsenal missing players? Where Arsenal had 5 (five) players in their injury list, Brighton had 6 (six) on the injury list. What's the excuse there. This guy from London saw Saliba head the ball before the headbutt. From where was he watching¿ Saliba did not even touch the ball. It was already out of range by the time the heads came into contact. What a stupid bias.
Worst punditry i've ever seen
Because you’re a gooner. 🤣😂
Not only was that a clear pen, but it was also a red card for dangerous play.
He got the ball first! What does the rule say?
It’s obvious,they all against arsenal
It's offensive having the Latino guy in the studio when he's NEVER played in an elite league.
Either Stevie needs to get his Eyes checked and fixed or he needs to be sacked for uttering such blatant lies on live TV. Enough is Enough!!!
If it was, what of the one in the first game, Spurs vs Newcastle?? The same pundits and professional refs called it a coming together. The problem is when there is no consistence from refs.
When have you seen a penalty like that given in football? Stop the deflecting. That call was absurd!
Even if you get a touch on the ball, if your follow through catches the player it is deemed a foul. The bigger controversy is why Gordon of Newcastle wasn't awarded a penalty.
It's in the box, it's still contact, it's a penalty
If they call with that logic there is 4-5 penalties per game
it’s in arsenal culture most of the season and games when they score first rarely whenever the ey score first, even this season their playing style is not at standard winning mentality very low
I blame Arteta for Arsenal dropping points, Odegaard should’ve started the match, because he’s their most influential player
He was ill you dummy
What a analysis, I don’t know how this guys are getting paid to talk football
Brighton FC - 11 shots(4 on goal) - 1.59 XG.......................ParkTheBus FC - 9 shots (3 on goal) - 1.07 XG..................Brighton should have won. ParkTheBus FC were fortunate to get a draw.
Everytime Arsenal drops points, Arteta always blames the referee and somehow keeps himself safe but he's actually the problem, his tactics are slowly being mastered. The set piece tactics are being mastered and Arteta should have more options on the table
It was a tough match, a point was good given the circumstances, that was a makeshift Arsenal team... Not having 4 of your most influential players makes a huge difference...