Lowkey the goat debate don't even matter. The Lebron and Jordan fans are never gonna agree. People who grew up watching Jordan are more likely to think he's the goat compared to people who grew up watching Lebron.
Ur right, he should be...but fans like u completely discredit players like cp3 until they hit a specific ring count or at least win 1 ring, as if a team accomplishment now somehow validates everything else now
Also People Forget Phil Jackson Runs a Triangle Offense which limited his Rebounds , and Assist. Im glad Low mentioned this because people completely ignore that when arguing about MJ Vs Lebron
How do a triangle offense limits your rebounds if most of your rebounds are defensive MJ has multiple years even after PJ triangle grabbing 1.6+ off boards so its not limiting much. Wasn't MJ always facing Doubles so wouldn't someone be open means assists If LeBron is doubled he makes the right pass.
People watched the last dance but just let it go in on ear out the other. Scottie said he wouldn't even have been twice as good as he was without Jordan. Jordan made Scottie but. But "Jordan can't win without Scottie'
@@depressedfalconsfan2338 every player needs another great player to win tho so thus argument is stupid....Has Lebron won without a HOFer by his side yet? Every1 of his best teammates is going to the hall of fame and was going to b4 he played with them? And that’s just the way the cookie crumbles.
Good points, people need to realize why Jordan's assists numbers dropped all of a sudden after Doug Collins left and Phil Jackson took over as the coach. Jordan was averaging 33/8/8 on 54% FG in just his 4th full season, playing under Doug Collins and playing ball dominantly all the time. Had he continued to play his career that way, it's perfectly reasonable to think he would have continued to improve on those numbers and averaged numbers like 37/10/10. Instead, Jordan began to play more off the ball, which dropped his assists numbers due to lower time of possession, but made his other teammates better by doing so as all they would have to do is make simple passes to Jordan or opportunities created for others as Jordan did all kinds of work off the ball to scramble the defense. In the Last Dance, Jordan talks about this, saying at first he didn't like Phil Jackson's gameplan because he wanted to take the ball out of Jordan's hands while Doug Collins wanted to always keep the ball in Jordan's hands. Had the ball always been in Jordan's hands though, he wouldn't have made players like Scottie Pippen, Ron Harper, Toni Kukoc better, as they wouldn't have been able to utilize their strongest skills, they would have been relegated to being jump shooters standing around ala Kevin Love/Chris Bosh. Jordan would probably have been something like 3-3 in the Finals instead of 6-0 playing that way. People need to realize, oftentimes the "creation" of a shot is done by the player off the ball, while the player with the ball just has to make the simple read and pass, and get credited with an "assist." This is why often Jordan's teams were at or near the top in team assists/g, whereas Lebron's teams have rarely been in the top 10 in team assists/g, because one person dominating the ball leads to less touches overall for other players on the team, hence why oftentimes Westbrook and Harden's teams have been low in team assists/g and team passing/g for many years, because they have very high time of possession. Lebron has been near the top in time of possession many years. If Jordan was so selfish with the ball, it would not have been possible for the Bulls to be at the top of the league in team assists/g, they were able to be up there because he actually lowered his time of possession. Lebron had Dwyane Wade available for playmaking, but Lebron didn't want to play off the ball or was not capable of doing it well, that's why Wade's assists dropped from 6.5/g to 4.6/g when Lebron joined. Lebron had Kevin Love available to do some playmaking, but Lebron didn't want to play off the ball or was not capable of doing it well, that's why Love's assists dropped from 4.4/g in Minnesota (highest for a PF that year) to just 2.2/g in Cleveland. Lebron had Kyrie available to do some playmaking, and Kyrie was at a point his numbers should have just been going more and more up, but instead his assists dropped from 6.1/g to 5.2/g once Lebron joined. On the other hand, Pippen's assists numbers dropped when Jordan retired in '93, going from 6.3/g the year before to 5.6/g, and then 5.2/g in '95, because he no longer had Jordan making plays and creating off-ball for him to make simple passes and get more assists. His assists then jumped back up once Jordan joined again in '96. That's the thing, Jordan made playmakers around him better by being able to play off-ball and actually utilize their playmaking abilities instead of relegating them to being spot up jump shooters, waiting for him to drive and kick all the time. Wade made Lebron better by being both willing and able to play off-ball, because he realized Lebron needed the ball in his hands, and Lebron couldn't make Wade better by playing off-ball. That's what really happened when Wade "gave the keys" to Lebron, he basically gave him the ball, because Lebron wasn't capable of playing true unselfish basketball, he's only effective playing selfishly with the ball in his hands doing everything with the ball. Saying Jordan was selfish while Lebron is not is a very casual surface level narrative. Being truly unselfish as a basketball player is playing in a way that allows your teammates' best skills to be able to be utilized, not relegating them to be jump shooters standing on the outside and forcing them to sacrifice their strongest skills to cater to your own strengths.
@@tiktokexposed898 Jordan was put at point guard by Doug collins for 11 games and Jordan averaged a triple, and had a triple double for 10 of those 11 games. Jordan averaged 33-8-8 as the primary ball handler before he became an off ball asset in the triangle offense by Phil Jackson.
Everything you said was based on opinion. If your argument has to reach for what “could have been” you don’t have an argument. Mj could never average 37 10 10 you know why? Cuz he didn’t, couldn’t, and wouldn’t anyway stop slobbin on the mans knob
@@mattpassos5689 it’s actually based on general trend of even average NBA players. It would be rather obtuse to think Jordan would be the only one who wouldn’t have a general trend of improving statistically playing ball dominantly.
@@nelsonkuria4086 u absolutely can. If an opinion is predicated on a factual statement, u open that opinion to critic. U can’t just state some bullshit statement and then try to escape critic by labeling it an opinion. If the opinion is based on a measurable topic, it can be critics. Saying Cp3 is the best short player is an opinion that is subjective and can’t be critiqued. But u can’t say some shit like, “Westbrook is the best shooter in the nba,” and then say, “oh well it’s my opinion u can’t argue against it.” That’s illogical. There’s a difference between a preference based opinion and a thesis statement which is an opinion based on fact. A lot of y’all need to learn the difference
@@TheIcemanthomas Well that's the difference right, you can actually make a argument for lebron being the goat. You cant make one for westbrook being the best shooter in the NBA. You literally just argued with yourself and failed.
but it also at the same time the people who playing against jordans era are watching lebron right now so technically they are watching lebron on a "fans point of view"
Another way to look at ur last point is.. if mj played for LBJ cavs team when he leaves they would go to being lottery teams but u really think if LBJ played for that bulls team then left in 94,95 they would just play terrible?? NO they would still play good because the team in general is a lot better then cavs teams
4:37 LOW, Arenas is literally just explaining what made him "fall in love with LeBron's play", as said in the video. Nowhere did Arenas say that LeBron was the first to ever play decoy. That was not his argument for LeBron being the "Greatest Of All Time", again he was explaining what made him "fall in love with LeBron's play".
Nigga he literally started the video saying “Lebron is the goat because” The title of the video is “Lebron is the goat, not MJ”. He wouldn’t state these reasons, if he didn’t really think MJ didn’t them too. Bc if he thought MJ did them too how does that differentiate him n bron? Lmao, these reasons are fucking stupid due to the argument LOW made in this video. There are plenty of other reasons to argue Lebron over MJ, but none of these reasons make any fuckin sense because MJ did them too, and not only did MJ do them too, but other players like CP3 did them too and by arenas logic he should be in the goat convo bc this is what he thinks separates MJ and Bron and it isn’t lmao.
@@superbruhz2602 He is a bronsexual for what ? This video did not prove why either player was better than one another brought up almost no stats and didn't talk about winning. Shit when I was reading his comment I didn't remember Gilbert Arenas said that till I looked at the reply's. You the one acting like a fool to me 🤷🏾♂️
People also forget he didn't always make players better. They forgot how much worse some players were in the "LeBron system" and how he would let the media call these players washed up and overrated without defending them just to see those players flourish after being traded. Speaking of trades people hold on to the 2009 run because they know since 2010 there's been almost 70 players traded when playing with bron. You cant claim you carried a team if half the roster was traded mid season. You finish with the team you started with
Even when Mo Williams was on the Cavs he was an All-star caliber player. And a some of those Cavs players still played well under this system depending on the type of player. Also most of the Cavs players were subpar to mediocre at best whether playing with LeBron or not. Also when you build a franchise around a superstar, you need to surround that superstar with certain types of players. For example you need to surround Isiah Thomas (the Piston one) with rebounders, MJ and LeBron need to be surrounded by passers and Damian Lillard needs to be surrounded by defenders. The Cavs only surrounded LeBron with scoring even though LeBron was a scoring minded player. Now what you’re saying is true to a certain extent, but each player thrives when they are surrounded by the right players. Even Dwayne Wade and Kyrie Irving were terrific when they played with LeBron
Im a LeGoat fan but Jordan could probably carry hella teams. Not like LeBron but to act like he wasnt clutch as fuck and 2nd best all time at WORST is just hating.
Jordan can carry as can every all-time great but LeBron does it the best. You can talk about weak competition but LeBron makes his competition look weak and has seen some serious competition before
I kept thinking about The Last Dance, and how Luke Longly, Tony Kukoc, and Steve Kerr all had clutch playoff moments as a result of an MJ pass, two of those, mind you, were series clinching in the nba finals
Does it’s actually matter tho? I’m just so tired of this debate. All we are doing is over analyzing the faults of one player to over value the attributes of another player. It’s pointless. I’m still here for the LOW video tho
I’m honestly taken aback by the intelligent arguments I’ve heard here. As someone who saw MJ from stat to finish, I truly do not know who Arenas, Wright, Shannon are talking about when they tear Jordan down with these provable lies about his ability, intelligence etc. Great point blowing up the lying narrative that MJ doesn’t make teammates better. He helped make several HOF’s on his team and other players like Kobe who not only studied MJ’s moves but also his leadership style. Kobe also got results from average role players by implementing MJ’s leadership style. So much evidence against the Jordan hate narrative it’s amazing to find a younger person actually using his brain. Nice job.
ALL I'm gonna say is that the GOAT argument is subjective to every person. There isn't a right or definitive answer and there likely never will be one. It's all down to opinion.
@@toogoat9293 What about people in the future? Different eras and rule changes? It can't be definitive because the NBA hasn't stopped producing players.
But the whole point of the video was to argue for lebron as the goat. U can probably infer that it’s in the video for that purpose as well, and it’s not just him dropping the topic to give lebron praise and explain his greatness.
@@Jkobe915 but still It’s like you talking about what made u fall in love with this girl but the whole video is about if she’s badder then MY gf It don’t make sense
@@ibk2205 Bro it was a "Why Bron is GOAT over Jordan" video....his reasons in the video have to be taken as his evidence for why he believes that. You can't just not acknowledge an entire point just because of how he words it. Arenas only made like 4 or 5 different points in the video, and as a viewer we have to take those as reasons why he believes Bron is better, because that's literally the title of the video. So if you're aiming to argue the claim you have to address the point.
I think low too Gilbert saying he played decoy out of context ...he just was stating what makes him a great player.....I’m pretty sure he wasn’t taking away from other great players who can do that
I think the part where he is talking about Lebron being a decoy is just Gil talking about when he realized Lebron was different than other great players of his era, such as himself. I found the video title to be click-baity, as Gil talks about what makes Lebron different than Jordan. He's saying they're different kind of players, where Lebron's greatest asset is his vision and basketball IQ, Jordan's first step and arsenal of scoring moves were his greatest assets. Different playstyles, and Gil never says one is necessarily better than the other. No Chill Gil is a really great basketball analyst, and I think you took some of these clips out of context to critique him in a manner that seems a little unfair.
Typical lebron james fan boy, if nobody james is the goat, then ur a hater. Lol. If u was to shout and say something to lebron, then ur a clout chaser.
@@Leodoesthings23 what I’m saying is anyone can read stuff off of a stat sheet. But there are intricacies and in and outs that you can’t read and won’t understand unless you actually play the game. If he had a basketball conversation with Gilbert face to face he would look like a fool. He’s no more credible than Stephen A or Max. Low clearly couldn’t hoop to save his life
@@maleeksambrano7302 over someone who couldn’t make 1 lay up if they were given 10 tries… yeah 100%. Perk says crazy things some times true but you are a fool if you think this guy knows more about basketball than an NBA player
@@jaylonlawson4321 Kendrick Perkins said the Westbrook-harden rockets were favorites for the title but somehow didn’t realize that would mean they would have to get through either one of the la teams, so apparently because you played basketball you know basketball. How many player coaches have been ass. One of the best coaches of all time never even played in the nba
LOW, great video I have one observation tho. Didn't the triangle offense ran by Phil Jackson help players like Scottie Pippen blossom? You're sorta making this argument that is was a MJ thing rather than the beautiful system they ran.
I think he was attacking the narrative that Jordan didn’t make his teammates better at all and that he was just in it for himself. Whereas sacrificing, by buying into the triangle offence proves that couldn’t be the case. Hence why he showed what he did before Phil came or Scottie blossomed.
My rebuttal to the teammates better part would be, you could be right and Gilbert can be right, because if a guy is getting a bunch of open shots, that he normally wouldn’t get because you’re on the court, you’re making him better, but when you’re off those open shots close up and he would then regress.
In a weak eastern conference lol. Yeh he was dominant and carried but put Lebron and that cavs team in the east rn and they not getting close to the finals lol.
@@Imtowavy dawg I’m not talking about when he played the Spurs for the 1st time and that cavs team that year wasn’t even as bad as yak make it out to be. I’m talking about all the years after that with the heat and the Cavs the 2nd time. Also learn how to spell nigga.
This is the most intelligent goat discussion on the internet I’ve never heard anyone actually dispute the “makes his teammates better” argument but the fact that you did and competently is great
That was the dumbest take of the whole video don’t agree with this none sense the plus minus when lebron is on and off the court is crazyyyyyyyyy u know that and this guy who made the video knows that … you take Jordan off the court and the bulls still make the ECF 😂😂😂😂😂
Lebron will have the same Goat case as Kareem. He will overtake Kareem in the longevity Goat debate. MJ has what Max Kellerman refers to as the highest peak meaning every player at their best MJ was the best player ever.
But lebrons prime was just as good as mj’s. The only diff is lebron prime is still going on for double the amount of time tht mj sustained it. Mj was just a more lucky player to peak when magic and bird was super old and past prime, and isiah got injured and cut his career short. Context
Low keeps saying Lebron is not the only player in NBA history to do this and that, that’s the point LOW, pick the best attribute of your favorite player and Bron prolly got it
Gilbert arenas started the video saying “the reason Lebron is the goat is....” yet the reasons he’s giving doesn’t differentiate himself from any1 else then how...? How can he be the goat? At least how can those reasons make him the goat? These reasons are Simply dumb lmao, let’s call it how it is they’re fuckin stupid lmao. Gilbert really thinks Lebron is the only player to have done these things, he really thinks MJ didn’t make the extra pass In the clutch, he really thinks they couldn’t do anything but score, he couldn’t play decoy otherwise he wouldn’t have stated those as reasons he’s the GOAT over MJ
@@ChocoAfriman clearly they don’t, the stats and eyes debunked those things. Low literally deproved everything he said in this video. No one mentions how every system bron has been in catered towards him while when MJ had a system like that he was able to put up 30 8 n 8 and even average a triple double for over 10 games. He made sacrifices playing in the triangle, and still put up 30 8 n 5 and a steal n a half in the 97 playoffs, that doesn’t seem like stats of a guy who only scores. Also him not making the right play and just chucking in the clutch is also proven wrong in this video lmao. Wtf are you talking about.
@@stank865 I feel like Gil was specifically talking about that 2018 team , which highlights the difference in style of play from lbj compared to bean/Mj , bron being more of a facilitator allowed him to get more out of his team he had dudes like nance and Thompson involved on the offense even though they was very limited but also the biggest difference was that Jordan and Kobe never played with a team where they had to (theoretically) lead their team in all categories to barely beat teams in games of 7 but to also be fair i read ya statement wrong , I do think they could make the playoffs I just don’t know how far they would have gotten
His teams could not function without the Lebron system. That’s why they crumbled without him. Also please note the fact that Lebron has always had submissive coaches other than Erik Spoelstra. Usually everything has to go his way or else you’re fired or getting traded. How is that making anyone better?
I view making teammates better as maximizing their abilities by taking certain loads and pressures off of them so if I play with lebron I may not be a complete liability while on the floor with him but if i were put into a random nba game I would be, the point isnt about improving their basketball ability, but maximizing it while on the court together
When you said "when Gilbert Arenas was at his peak, he was on par with some of the all time great guards", you should look at yourself and stop talking.
LOW Gilbert never said "Lebron using the decoy technique was the first time that has ever been done", nor did he say "LeBron decoy technique makes him a GOAT" he said "What made me love LeBron's game was the decoy technique." so all you said about "Don't act like this wasn't used before" makes no sense since Agent 0 never said that
John Stockton made the most assists, which means making even Malone better, and then most steals means he got away with the most valuable of all fouls more often than anyone else. 😜
There's no way I could watch Jordan, then watch bron and go he might be the most talented 😂😂 Jordan was better than everything except passing and rebounding, obviously cause bron's taller.
Kobe wasn’t as smart as LeBron, his shot selection was average throughout his career. MJ isn’t dumb but compared to LeBron I don’t think he has the highest IQ
Damn I legit didn’t know the bulls made the conference finals before phil jackson… yea that’s absurd that he said mj and kobe wouldn’t AT LEAST make the playoffs🤣. That’s the biggest difference with the whole mj vs lebron debate, some people really don’t recognize or accept how good jordan was when it comes to lebron and some of their logic is very flawed… in no way would I say that if lebron was on those bulls teams in 87 and 88.. that they wouldn’t make the playoffs💀come on bruh you swap both of them I believe both will make the playoffs at the least.
because the conferences lebron won was weaker and jordan went against the bad boy dynasty pistons with isiah thomas, one of the greatest players of all time and lebron went against the celtics who had chemistry issues so bad kyrie left the year after. Also jordan had the same amount of help if not less
You said Jordan was in Phil Jackson system and because he was in that system he could not get assist and stuff like that. Well we can’t go off of what could have Been and you basically said Jordan does not pass as much. Jordan did basically score 60 and said the hell with it because he made it to the playoffs with a 30 win record. And Jordan got confidence in Scottie because Scottie wanted to Improve because he knew the had a championship team in the making not because of Jordan.
The stuff your talking about happened early on in his career when he had literal crackheads for teammates. He HAD to drop 40-50 a night. The reason his team made the playoffs with 30 wins was because there were less teams in the conference. That last part really doesn’t make sense either 😂
@@jacksonhedges855 I never said that but you could say that since he is letting magic Johnson unathletic as crap drop a 30 point triple double on him and they had to put pipes on magic
This is the truth about making the right shot. Game winning/tying shots in the Finals with 25 seconds or less Jordan = 4 on 8 attempts (50%) - 1991 Finals Game 3 - Game tying shot to force OT - 1997 Finals Game 1 - Buzzer beater over Russell - 1997 Finals Game 5 - Go-ahead 3 with 25 seconds - 1998 Finals Game 6 - Championship winning steal and shot LeBron = 0 on 6 attempts (0%) - missed game tying shot in Game 3 of 2007 Finals - missed game tying shot in Game 6 of 2013 Finals - missed game winner in Game 1 of 2015 Finals - missed game winner in Game 2 of 2015 Finals in the 4th quarter - missed game winner in Game 2 of 2015 Finals in OT - missed game tying shot in Game 3 of 2017 Finals Game winning/tying assists in the Finals with 25 seconds or less Jordan - 2 - 1997 Finals Game 6 - title-winning assist to Kerr - 1998 Finals Game 1 - game-tying assist to Longley to force OT LeBron - 1 - 2011 Finals Game 2 - game-tying assist to Chalmers on a 3-pointer
Lebron led those teams with good records, Jordan went to the playoffs multiple with horrid records so making the playoffs back then was way easier than today.
Nope that's not the case. The East in the 80s was top heavy so the 1 bad team could have a bad record and make it. Whereas LeBron's east was so weak that outside of the 1 or 2 good teams at a time, the entire conference was an absolute joke. It was so weak that Bron fans would litterally say "who we playing in the finals" before the season even started 😂😂
He did make his teammates better.. Jordan got rookies who averaged single digits, and built them up into great players. You can see their numbers improve year by year. They literally have been on record stating they improved cause of Jordans mindset.. he made them do Jordans workouts which was work out in his gym, and then practice for hours on court. There's a reason why players who came onto the Bulls and developed under Jordan still went on to be good players, whereas players who came into the league under LeBrons Cavs have been nobodies.
Low can you make a vid debating mj and Lebron off da court Like for example LeBron activism on social matters versus mj creation the whole Jordan as a whole off da court culture
LEBRON MIDSED PLAYOFFS IN 2003, 2004 AND 2019 AND 2022 YEAR RECORD ROUND REACHED 2006 7-6 Conference Semifinals LOST 2007 12-8 NBA Finals. LOST 2008 7-6 Conference Semifinals LOST 2009 10-4 Conference Finals. LOST 2010 6-5 Conference Semifinals. LOST 2011 14-7 NBA Finals. LOST 2012 16-7 NBA Champion. WIN 2013 16-7 NBA Champion. WIN 2014 13-7 NBA Finals. LOST 2015 14-6 NBA Finals. LOST 2016 16-5 NBA Champion. WIN 2017 13-5 NBA Finals. LOST 2018 12-10 NBA Finals. LOST[MISSED PLAYOFFS 2019] 2020 12-5 NBA Champion. WIN 2021 2-4 First Round. LOST 2023 8-8 Conference Finals. LOST FUCK LEBRON
@@UnemploymentScrub23 you really think MJ would have been a scrub if he played a year later? 🤡 Malone won MVP in 1999 averaging 23ppg. Jordan would have won that shit fasho
Jordan played with his teammates he gave them an opportunity to score and then he does what he does putting up big numbers and dominating the other guys on the other team, it seems like Michael never get tired his game be going up, and up, and up, two different levels.
That shit don’t even make sense how do you just look good 😭when you’re bringing you’re team to finals contention every year , y’all niggas be real life hating a nigga and can’t admit that shit
@@c.noodles.clmfao it’s hating to say he only makes his team look good don’t know where your argument even correlates 😭 Lmaoo but lemme guess you’re one of the idiots who make themselves believe because he made it 8 years straight back to back that there were no good teams in the east ? Sounds like a weird way to try and discredit somebody
Lowkey the goat debate don't even matter. The Lebron and Jordan fans are never gonna agree. People who grew up watching Jordan are more likely to think he's the goat compared to people who grew up watching Lebron.
Completely agreed
Pointless ass debate
so pointless you cant compare people because of different eras, rules, and players anyway.
I agree👍
I grew up watching both tho
Gilbert really described every quality the CP3 has over other players so by his logic CP3 should be in GOAT conversations.
If CP3 was taller and much less injury prone that very could have been a possibility so that doesn’t work he doesn’t have the accomplishments
Ur right, he should be...but fans like u completely discredit players like cp3 until they hit a specific ring count or at least win 1 ring, as if a team accomplishment now somehow validates everything else now
Chris Paul never been on a bad team Bc he is the team when you realize it. Even the hornets teams would get 50wins his iq is so underrated
I think he has best pg conversations. Actually a lot of ppl say that.
@Curly Hair Messiah no that actually proves my point...
Low is underrated
* Overrated *
@@therealtut2983 you really came to a second channel he never uploads on, to hate... weirdo
@@jayonproductions yes
@@therealtut2983 you’re like 9 years old little bro you probably don’t even know what that means
very underrated
Also People Forget Phil Jackson Runs a Triangle Offense which limited his Rebounds , and Assist. Im glad Low mentioned this because people completely ignore that when arguing about MJ Vs Lebron
MJ played PG for a portion of games under one coach and averaged a triple double during that span. He could do that if he wants to.
@@callmehavoc736 He had triple doubles for 10/11 or 11/12 games, and yet people still believe that he could only score offensively
Exactly, Jordan played off ball so he couldn't be out there stat padding... it was a team game everyone had their role.
How do a triangle offense limits your rebounds if most of your rebounds are defensive MJ has multiple years even after PJ triangle grabbing 1.6+ off boards so its not limiting much. Wasn't MJ always facing Doubles so wouldn't someone be open means assists If LeBron is doubled he makes the right pass.
Most people don't know that that's why
People watched the last dance but just let it go in on ear out the other. Scottie said he wouldn't even have been twice as good as he was without Jordan. Jordan made Scottie but. But "Jordan can't win without Scottie'
It’s not that he can’t win without Scottie it’s just he wouldn’t have won as much without him
@@depressedfalconsfan2338 doubt could've grabbed another player in the era full of hofers
@@depressedfalconsfan2338 every player needs another great player to win tho so thus argument is stupid....Has Lebron won without a HOFer by his side yet? Every1 of his best teammates is going to the hall of fame and was going to b4 he played with them? And that’s just the way the cookie crumbles.
Facts and everybody bron played with got worse or didnt evolve. From d wade all the way to k love
@@blackout8777 kyrie didn’t get worst bosh and wade got injured I will give you love tho he did regress
LOW finally uploaded on his second channel
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Good points, people need to realize why Jordan's assists numbers dropped all of a sudden after Doug Collins left and Phil Jackson took over as the coach. Jordan was averaging 33/8/8 on 54% FG in just his 4th full season, playing under Doug Collins and playing ball dominantly all the time. Had he continued to play his career that way, it's perfectly reasonable to think he would have continued to improve on those numbers and averaged numbers like 37/10/10. Instead, Jordan began to play more off the ball, which dropped his assists numbers due to lower time of possession, but made his other teammates better by doing so as all they would have to do is make simple passes to Jordan or opportunities created for others as Jordan did all kinds of work off the ball to scramble the defense. In the Last Dance, Jordan talks about this, saying at first he didn't like Phil Jackson's gameplan because he wanted to take the ball out of Jordan's hands while Doug Collins wanted to always keep the ball in Jordan's hands. Had the ball always been in Jordan's hands though, he wouldn't have made players like Scottie Pippen, Ron Harper, Toni Kukoc better, as they wouldn't have been able to utilize their strongest skills, they would have been relegated to being jump shooters standing around ala Kevin Love/Chris Bosh. Jordan would probably have been something like 3-3 in the Finals instead of 6-0 playing that way.
People need to realize, oftentimes the "creation" of a shot is done by the player off the ball, while the player with the ball just has to make the simple read and pass, and get credited with an "assist." This is why often Jordan's teams were at or near the top in team assists/g, whereas Lebron's teams have rarely been in the top 10 in team assists/g, because one person dominating the ball leads to less touches overall for other players on the team, hence why oftentimes Westbrook and Harden's teams have been low in team assists/g and team passing/g for many years, because they have very high time of possession. Lebron has been near the top in time of possession many years. If Jordan was so selfish with the ball, it would not have been possible for the Bulls to be at the top of the league in team assists/g, they were able to be up there because he actually lowered his time of possession.
Lebron had Dwyane Wade available for playmaking, but Lebron didn't want to play off the ball or was not capable of doing it well, that's why Wade's assists dropped from 6.5/g to 4.6/g when Lebron joined. Lebron had Kevin Love available to do some playmaking, but Lebron didn't want to play off the ball or was not capable of doing it well, that's why Love's assists dropped from 4.4/g in Minnesota (highest for a PF that year) to just 2.2/g in Cleveland. Lebron had Kyrie available to do some playmaking, and Kyrie was at a point his numbers should have just been going more and more up, but instead his assists dropped from 6.1/g to 5.2/g once Lebron joined. On the other hand, Pippen's assists numbers dropped when Jordan retired in '93, going from 6.3/g the year before to 5.6/g, and then 5.2/g in '95, because he no longer had Jordan making plays and creating off-ball for him to make simple passes and get more assists. His assists then jumped back up once Jordan joined again in '96. That's the thing, Jordan made playmakers around him better by being able to play off-ball and actually utilize their playmaking abilities instead of relegating them to being spot up jump shooters, waiting for him to drive and kick all the time. Wade made Lebron better by being both willing and able to play off-ball, because he realized Lebron needed the ball in his hands, and Lebron couldn't make Wade better by playing off-ball. That's what really happened when Wade "gave the keys" to Lebron, he basically gave him the ball, because Lebron wasn't capable of playing true unselfish basketball, he's only effective playing selfishly with the ball in his hands doing everything with the ball.
Saying Jordan was selfish while Lebron is not is a very casual surface level narrative. Being truly unselfish as a basketball player is playing in a way that allows your teammates' best skills to be able to be utilized, not relegating them to be jump shooters standing on the outside and forcing them to sacrifice their strongest skills to cater to your own strengths.
Not that serious
Clown take Jordan could never average a triple double lmao
@@tiktokexposed898 Jordan was put at point guard by Doug collins for 11 games and Jordan averaged a triple, and had a triple double for 10 of those 11 games. Jordan averaged 33-8-8 as the primary ball handler before he became an off ball asset in the triangle offense by Phil Jackson.
Everything you said was based on opinion. If your argument has to reach for what “could have been” you don’t have an argument. Mj could never average 37 10 10 you know why? Cuz he didn’t, couldn’t, and wouldn’t anyway stop slobbin on the mans knob
@@mattpassos5689 it’s actually based on general trend of even average NBA players. It would be rather obtuse to think Jordan would be the only one who wouldn’t have a general trend of improving statistically playing ball dominantly.
Alternative title: LOW exposes Agent 0 for horrible basketball takes
Too me a minute to realise u were talking bout Gilbert arenas not agent 00 😂
You can't really "expose" an opinion based on what someone has experienced.
W clickbait
@@nelsonkuria4086 u absolutely can. If an opinion is predicated on a factual statement, u open that opinion to critic. U can’t just state some bullshit statement and then try to escape critic by labeling it an opinion. If the opinion is based on a measurable topic, it can be critics. Saying Cp3 is the best short player is an opinion that is subjective and can’t be critiqued. But u can’t say some shit like, “Westbrook is the best shooter in the nba,” and then say, “oh well it’s my opinion u can’t argue against it.” That’s illogical. There’s a difference between a preference based opinion and a thesis statement which is an opinion based on fact. A lot of y’all need to learn the difference
@@TheIcemanthomas Well that's the difference right, you can actually make a argument for lebron being the goat. You cant make one for westbrook being the best shooter in the NBA. You literally just argued with yourself and failed.
people still don’t understand ranking players from a “fan’s point of view” is completely different from ranking in a “players point of view”.
Glad you say that cus over 50% OF NBA PLAYERS say Mj over Bron
but it also at the same time the people who playing against jordans era are watching lebron right now so technically they are watching lebron on a "fans point of view"
@@_.shadrach._ 73% of nba players say MJ, 12% say Kobe and 12% say Bron
Most fans would say MJ and Lebron>Kobe but 12% of NBA players say Kobe the goat and 12% say Lebron and 73% of nba players say MJ
@@AceTheCap823 whoever says Kobe’s the GOAT is actually retarded
Gilbert arenas sounds like Ryan from first take talking about Kobe could never fill LeBron shoes 😭😭
LeBron is better than Kobe but yeah that’s a dumb take
That's factual
Cash Nasty and OSN need to watch this
The goal of every intro on this channel is to ruin all headphones lmao
If Los watches this he’s gonna go off and change the topic thinking he just said something important
Ya bc his chat is stupid
@@parkergibb8005 woah, we roast big Louis, not snipe squad mister
@@impno his chat is a bunch of school shooters
Low arguing with a former nba all star is mind blowing to me let alone playing against those guys he mentioned in the video
Why Low forehead look smooth as hell lmaoo. All love
healthy sexy skin
bruh what? u want him to go visit dr. pimple popper to come fix him up? its dat cocoa butter babyyy lol
Lmao
Healthy skincare ay
Another way to look at ur last point is.. if mj played for LBJ cavs team when he leaves they would go to being lottery teams but u really think if LBJ played for that bulls team then left in 94,95 they would just play terrible?? NO they would still play good because the team in general is a lot better then cavs teams
4:37 LOW, Arenas is literally just explaining what made him "fall in love with LeBron's play", as said in the video. Nowhere did Arenas say that LeBron was the first to ever play decoy. That was not his argument for LeBron being the "Greatest Of All Time", again he was explaining what made him "fall in love with LeBron's play".
Lows brain is too small to realize that
Nigga he literally started the video saying “Lebron is the goat because” The title of the video is “Lebron is the goat, not MJ”. He wouldn’t state these reasons, if he didn’t really think MJ didn’t them too. Bc if he thought MJ did them too how does that differentiate him n bron? Lmao, these reasons are fucking stupid due to the argument LOW made in this video. There are plenty of other reasons to argue Lebron over MJ, but none of these reasons make any fuckin sense because MJ did them too, and not only did MJ do them too, but other players like CP3 did them too and by arenas logic he should be in the goat convo bc this is what he thinks separates MJ and Bron and it isn’t lmao.
did you watch the first part of the video bronsexual? he said “this is why lebron is the goat”. Stop acting like a fool idiot
I was thinking the same thing
@@superbruhz2602 He is a bronsexual for what ? This video did not prove why either player was better than one another brought up almost no stats and didn't talk about winning. Shit when I was reading his comment I didn't remember Gilbert Arenas said that till I looked at the reply's. You the one acting like a fool to me 🤷🏾♂️
People also forget he didn't always make players better. They forgot how much worse some players were in the "LeBron system" and how he would let the media call these players washed up and overrated without defending them just to see those players flourish after being traded. Speaking of trades people hold on to the 2009 run because they know since 2010 there's been almost 70 players traded when playing with bron. You cant claim you carried a team if half the roster was traded mid season. You finish with the team you started with
Even when Mo Williams was on the Cavs he was an All-star caliber player. And a some of those Cavs players still played well under this system depending on the type of player. Also most of the Cavs players were subpar to mediocre at best whether playing with LeBron or not. Also when you build a franchise around a superstar, you need to surround that superstar with certain types of players. For example you need to surround Isiah Thomas (the Piston one) with rebounders, MJ and LeBron need to be surrounded by passers and Damian Lillard needs to be surrounded by defenders. The Cavs only surrounded LeBron with scoring even though LeBron was a scoring minded player. Now what you’re saying is true to a certain extent, but each player thrives when they are surrounded by the right players. Even Dwayne Wade and Kyrie Irving were terrific when they played with LeBron
No cap low needs to keep posting second channel
man notice how no one says first how all things should be
So Gilbert Arenas said that MJ would do on the Cavs what Gilbert Arenas did his whole career.
if you mean mj would do what gilbert did his whole career. that’s hilarious
Gilbert was the One saying f my teammates I AM gonna Score 60...
This dude frm the video low is watching is delusional Jordan can carry most teams and in clutch moments
Im a LeGoat fan but Jordan could probably carry hella teams. Not like LeBron but to act like he wasnt clutch as fuck and 2nd best all time at WORST is just hating.
If you refer to Gilbert Arenas as “this dude” you are a casual
Jordan can carry as can every all-time great but LeBron does it the best. You can talk about weak competition but LeBron makes his competition look weak and has seen some serious competition before
I kept thinking about The Last Dance, and how Luke Longly, Tony Kukoc, and Steve Kerr all had clutch playoff moments as a result of an MJ pass, two of those, mind you, were series clinching in the nba finals
people really waste time trying to debate who’s the “goat” just enjoy basketball and the great players that are there for their short time damn😂
been binge watching this dude and hes officially my new main source of nba information lmao
Does it’s actually matter tho? I’m just so tired of this debate. All we are doing is over analyzing the faults of one player to over value the attributes of another player. It’s pointless. I’m still here for the LOW video tho
8:35 I’ve never heard this before, and it makes so much sense!
LOW and Agent have like 6 different rooms for recording I swear
I’m honestly taken aback by the intelligent arguments I’ve heard here. As someone who saw MJ from stat to finish, I truly do not know who Arenas, Wright, Shannon are talking about when they tear Jordan down with these provable lies about his ability, intelligence etc.
Great point blowing up the lying narrative that MJ doesn’t make teammates better. He helped make several HOF’s on his team and other players like Kobe who not only studied MJ’s moves but also his leadership style. Kobe also got results from average role players by implementing MJ’s leadership style. So much evidence against the Jordan hate narrative it’s amazing to find a younger person actually using his brain. Nice job.
ALL I'm gonna say is that the GOAT argument is subjective to every person. There isn't a right or definitive answer and there likely never will be one. It's all down to opinion.
Dude the majority of people think its MJ. Thats pretty definitive to me
@@toogoat9293 What about people in the future? Different eras and rule changes? It can't be definitive because the NBA hasn't stopped producing players.
@@toogoat9293 🐑
Unless we build a time machine and bring Jordan to this era or send Lebron to the 90s. The GOAT debate will always be subjective.
@@jeffreyware7808 majority of people think wayne gretzky is the NHL goat, does that make them sheep as well?
Whats up low I've been subscribed to your main channel for like 2 years now and u just wanted to tell you to keep making good content
Eyo big boss low
The man said “What made me fall in love with brims play style” not the goat shit when he talked bout that decoy shit
exactly
But the whole point of the video was to argue for lebron as the goat. U can probably infer that it’s in the video for that purpose as well, and it’s not just him dropping the topic to give lebron praise and explain his greatness.
@@Jkobe915 but still
It’s like you talking about what made u fall in love with this girl but the whole video is about if she’s badder then MY gf
It don’t make sense
@@ibk2205 Bro it was a "Why Bron is GOAT over Jordan" video....his reasons in the video have to be taken as his evidence for why he believes that. You can't just not acknowledge an entire point just because of how he words it. Arenas only made like 4 or 5 different points in the video, and as a viewer we have to take those as reasons why he believes Bron is better, because that's literally the title of the video. So if you're aiming to argue the claim you have to address the point.
@@BT405 I guess
I think low too Gilbert saying he played decoy out of context ...he just was stating what makes him a great player.....I’m pretty sure he wasn’t taking away from other great players who can do that
I think the part where he is talking about Lebron being a decoy is just Gil talking about when he realized Lebron was different than other great players of his era, such as himself. I found the video title to be click-baity, as Gil talks about what makes Lebron different than Jordan. He's saying they're different kind of players, where Lebron's greatest asset is his vision and basketball IQ, Jordan's first step and arsenal of scoring moves were his greatest assets. Different playstyles, and Gil never says one is necessarily better than the other. No Chill Gil is a really great basketball analyst, and I think you took some of these clips out of context to critique him in a manner that seems a little unfair.
dude bronsexual, gil started the video saying “this is why Lebron is the goat”
@@superbruhz2602 tell me you didn't read the whole comment without telling me you didn't the whole comment
Bruh Gil literally hates on every player pre 2000’s idk how “unfair” is a argument here.
I truly love content on both Channels just wish you upload a lot more 🤷🏾♂️💯
Tell us your a lebron hater without telling us you a bron hater : this video
He made the argument and you have nothing to say about it
Typical lebron james fan boy, if nobody james is the goat, then ur a hater. Lol. If u was to shout and say something to lebron, then ur a clout chaser.
You’re a LeBronsexual
So if he says MJ is the GOAT he’s a LeBron hater. Typical Bronsexual I’m replying to
I’ve been watching a lot more of your solo content I’m pretty impressed Imma keep watching fss
I’ll never trust someone’s opinion who doesn’t actually hoop over an NBA player that knows how to play
Context? More former nba players agree with the guy on screen
So you trust Kendrick Perkins takes
@@Leodoesthings23 what I’m saying is anyone can read stuff off of a stat sheet. But there are intricacies and in and outs that you can’t read and won’t understand unless you actually play the game. If he had a basketball conversation with Gilbert face to face he would look like a fool. He’s no more credible than Stephen A or Max. Low clearly couldn’t hoop to save his life
@@maleeksambrano7302 over someone who couldn’t make 1 lay up if they were given 10 tries… yeah 100%. Perk says crazy things some times true but you are a fool if you think this guy knows more about basketball than an NBA player
@@jaylonlawson4321 Kendrick Perkins said the Westbrook-harden rockets were favorites for the title but somehow didn’t realize that would mean they would have to get through either one of the la teams, so apparently because you played basketball you know basketball. How many player coaches have been ass. One of the best coaches of all time never even played in the nba
Gil just hate Jordan honestly. Michael probably called Gil trash.
I've had enough of this channel
If you think lebron is the goat, leave please bc you’re wrong
@@evicens1983 lebron is the goat tf😂😂
@@LegoatJamesx the goat doesn't choke to jason terry
Imagine Jordan with a kryie type point guard
This video proof that LOW is the goat
Is it just me that watched the last dance. Literally every point against Jordan is countered against if you actually watched the last dance
LOW, great video I have one observation tho. Didn't the triangle offense ran by Phil Jackson help players like Scottie Pippen blossom? You're sorta making this argument that is was a MJ thing rather than the beautiful system they ran.
I think he was attacking the narrative that Jordan didn’t make his teammates better at all and that he was just in it for himself. Whereas sacrificing, by buying into the triangle offence proves that couldn’t be the case. Hence why he showed what he did before Phil came or Scottie blossomed.
The system that only worked with MJ and Kobe
I love this second channel! Please post more videos here!
The title to the vid is false
Jordan under Phil's system understood the need for his teammates to be better and he allowed them to perform their roles on a high level.
i’m not even watching this this is the worst title i’ve ever seen
Small minded NBA casual watcher
Ofc u have a lonzo ball pfp
My rebuttal to the teammates better part would be, you could be right and Gilbert can be right, because if a guy is getting a bunch of open shots, that he normally wouldn’t get because you’re on the court, you’re making him better, but when you’re off those open shots close up and he would then regress.
He took them to the finals tho... nobody cares they made the playoffs, it’s the fact he got to the finals by himself
In a weak eastern conference lol. Yeh he was dominant and carried but put Lebron and that cavs team in the east rn and they not getting close to the finals lol.
@@jonathanleggett236 weak eastern cof huh the sae team beat the shaq and kobe lakers sdfu
@@Imtowavy dawg I’m not talking about when he played the Spurs for the 1st time and that cavs team that year wasn’t even as bad as yak make it out to be. I’m talking about all the years after that with the heat and the Cavs the 2nd time. Also learn how to spell nigga.
@@jonathanleggett236 sexland and Lebron? Damn that’s a sexy team and a 4 or 5 seed...
@@UnemploymentScrub23 I’m talking about the Cavs team when Lebron played not the Cavs rn....
This debate is solely anecdotal opinions and nothing more.
This is the most intelligent goat discussion on the internet I’ve never heard anyone actually dispute the “makes his teammates better” argument but the fact that you did and competently is great
I say that but people think I’m acting ridiculous or something
That was the dumbest take of the whole video don’t agree with this none sense the plus minus when lebron is on and off the court is crazyyyyyyyyy u know that and this guy who made the video knows that … you take Jordan off the court and the bulls still make the ECF 😂😂😂😂😂
Damn, you need to upload here more, bro smh this is clean quality content!
Lebron will have the same Goat case as Kareem. He will overtake Kareem in the longevity Goat debate. MJ has what Max Kellerman refers to as the highest peak meaning every player at their best MJ was the best player ever.
But lebrons prime was just as good as mj’s. The only diff is lebron prime is still going on for double the amount of time tht mj sustained it. Mj was just a more lucky player to peak when magic and bird was super old and past prime, and isiah got injured and cut his career short. Context
@@Viewingviewer3MJ had the better prime
Can you just send a resume to ESPN so you can replace every basketball analyst they have.
You said lebron cant do anything that any all time scorer could or something like that, but you can use this same logic on jordan
Playback and LOW'd up are my genuine fav RUclips channels
Low keeps saying Lebron is not the only player in NBA history to do this and that, that’s the point LOW, pick the best attribute of your favorite player and Bron prolly got it
The nigga be annoying sometimes ong 😭🤣 I still fw his shit tho
Gilbert arenas started the video saying “the reason Lebron is the goat is....” yet the reasons he’s giving doesn’t differentiate himself from any1 else then how...? How can he be the goat? At least how can those reasons make him the goat? These reasons are Simply dumb lmao, let’s call it how it is they’re fuckin stupid lmao. Gilbert really thinks Lebron is the only player to have done these things, he really thinks MJ didn’t make the extra pass In the clutch, he really thinks they couldn’t do anything but score, he couldn’t play decoy otherwise he wouldn’t have stated those as reasons he’s the GOAT over MJ
@@calebstevens9446 Gilbert doesn’t think those things, the stats plus his eyes tell him those things
@@calebstevens9446 yea buuuut low is trying to make a argument mj is better then lagoat
@@ChocoAfriman clearly they don’t, the stats and eyes debunked those things. Low literally deproved everything he said in this video. No one mentions how every system bron has been in catered towards him while when MJ had a system like that he was able to put up 30 8 n 8 and even average a triple double for over 10 games. He made sacrifices playing in the triangle, and still put up 30 8 n 5 and a steal n a half in the 97 playoffs, that doesn’t seem like stats of a guy who only scores. Also him not making the right play and just chucking in the clutch is also proven wrong in this video lmao. Wtf are you talking about.
arenas arguing lebron is the goat is the same as lebron saying he is the goat. no proven facts only jabrajabrablabla.
This is the greatest thing ive ever watched. No disrespect to Lebron
I loved your arguments on lockeroom
Bro when he said Kobe and MJ wouldn't even make the playoffs with those cavs teams....
They wouldn’t I’m not sure why ya believe different
@@SicariiGamingPro explain
@@stank865 I feel like Gil was specifically talking about that 2018 team , which highlights the difference in style of play from lbj compared to bean/Mj , bron being more of a facilitator allowed him to get more out of his team he had dudes like nance and Thompson involved on the offense even though they was very limited but also the biggest difference was that Jordan and Kobe never played with a team where they had to (theoretically) lead their team in all categories to barely beat teams in games of 7 but to also be fair i read ya statement wrong , I do think they could make the playoffs I just don’t know how far they would have gotten
They wouldn’t go to the finals
@@houstonmadecaleb that east was so weak they would make the finals
I would to see LOW and Screaming A Smith debate
Hey LOW, I love your vids but can you please stop making Jordan vs LeBron vids? I feel as if it’s getting dragged out
If you're the best player on the team and everybody else numbers goes up while you're there but when you leave everybody numbers goes down,
His teams could not function without the Lebron system. That’s why they crumbled without him. Also please note the fact that Lebron has always had submissive coaches other than Erik Spoelstra. Usually everything has to go his way or else you’re fired or getting traded. How is that making anyone better?
I view making teammates better as maximizing their abilities by taking certain loads and pressures off of them so if I play with lebron I may not be a complete liability while on the floor with him but if i were put into a random nba game I would be, the point isnt about improving their basketball ability, but maximizing it while on the court together
“Lebron has 35k points so he is better” - a 14 year old probably
Low looks like if King of Lightning only made basketball videos
i stopped caring about the “goat” debate a long time ago, Lebron is the best player to ever touch a basketball jordan can have the goat title
No he isn't. If he was he would easily have 6 rings like Jordan in 10 finals 😂😂😂 can't be better than MJ when you're struggling to tie him in year 18
I honestly don't know why I still care about the Goat debate either
@@colewrld901 who cares they played in different eras so the goat debate is honestly senseless
@@capo_gambino1359 of course u think it is, because it's already been decided. It's Jordan, there is no argument for Bron 🤷
@@colewrld901 super teams are stoping Lebron and injuries
The guy in the the thumbnail looks like Gilbert arenas
When you said "when Gilbert Arenas was at his peak, he was on par with some of the all time great guards", you should look at yourself and stop talking.
gilbert averged like 28ppg for a 3 year stretch
LeChina quit last night's game so this debate is over
LOW Gilbert never said "Lebron using the decoy technique was the first time that has ever been done", nor did he say "LeBron decoy technique makes him a GOAT" he said "What made me love LeBron's game was the decoy technique." so all you said about "Don't act like this wasn't used before" makes no sense since Agent 0 never said that
John Stockton made the most assists, which means making even Malone better, and then most steals means he got away with the most valuable of all fouls more often than anyone else. 😜
Coming from an MJ fan, LeBron might be the most talented player I've seen for a long time....
The most talented of his era just like how jordan kobe are the best of they decade
There's no way I could watch Jordan, then watch bron and go he might be the most talented 😂😂 Jordan was better than everything except passing and rebounding, obviously cause bron's taller.
@@colewrld901 Lebron is also a better shooter
AarnavGaming u must be out of your mind Jordan was a pure shooter
@@aarnavgaming9855 nope there shooting percentages are about the same 🤷
His IQ isn’t a good argument either because Kobe, Jordan and Magic was just as smart on the court
Kobe wasn’t as smart as LeBron, his shot selection was average throughout his career. MJ isn’t dumb but compared to LeBron I don’t think he has the highest IQ
Honestly I believe Jordan would easily average a triple double today.
Damn I legit didn’t know the bulls made the conference finals before phil jackson… yea that’s absurd that he said mj and kobe wouldn’t AT LEAST make the playoffs🤣. That’s the biggest difference with the whole mj vs lebron debate, some people really don’t recognize or accept how good jordan was when it comes to lebron and some of their logic is very flawed… in no way would I say that if lebron was on those bulls teams in 87 and 88.. that they wouldn’t make the playoffs💀come on bruh you swap both of them I believe both will make the playoffs at the least.
The conference finals 😂😂 how does that compare to lebron going to the finals with just Kevin love who was hurt 😂😂
because the conferences lebron won was weaker and jordan went against the bad boy dynasty pistons with isiah thomas, one of the greatest players of all time and lebron went against the celtics who had chemistry issues so bad kyrie left the year after. Also jordan had the same amount of help if not less
Lebron played in a weak conference
You probably don't know the bad boy pistons. They used the defensive strategy called "jordan rules" to stop jordan. Watch the last dance kido.
And the way more impressive one where he brought a shit Cavs team to the Finals in 2007
When you play the pacers raptors and the Celtics without their 2 best players that happens
If you think Jordan is the goat, you hate on LeBron
If you think LeBron is the goat, you hate on Jordan
Have we seriously come to these conclusions?
This happens because of Bronsexuals and MJ stans
You said Jordan was in Phil Jackson system and because he was in that system he could not get assist and stuff like that. Well we can’t go off of what could have Been and you basically said Jordan does not pass as much. Jordan did basically score 60 and said the hell with it because he made it to the playoffs with a 30 win record. And Jordan got confidence in Scottie because Scottie wanted to Improve because he knew the had a championship team in the making not because of Jordan.
The stuff your talking about happened early on in his career when he had literal crackheads for teammates. He HAD to drop 40-50 a night. The reason his team made the playoffs with 30 wins was because there were less teams in the conference. That last part really doesn’t make sense either 😂
@@X02Overdose don’t cap Jordan did not drop 40 50 a night and on that last part I was just trying to say that Jordan gets no one better
@@X02Overdose and you basically admitted that Jordan made the playoffs with a 30 win record
@@user-truth904 so mj just didn’t play defense now apparently
@@jacksonhedges855 I never said that but you could say that since he is letting magic Johnson unathletic as crap drop a 30 point triple double on him and they had to put pipes on magic
Lebron is the Goat 🐐 (My Opinion)
MJ COMPARISON TO LEBRON
----‐------------Lebron. MJ
PPG. 27.6. 31.5 ☆ Points
ORTG. 119.7. 121.3 ☆ Offensive rating
SPG. 1.5. 2.3. ☆ steals
BPG. 0.7. 0.8. ☆ blocks
TOPG. ☆ 3.5. 2.7. Turnovers
PER. 25.1. 27.9. ☆ Player Efficiency
BPM. 8.65. 9.21 ☆
WS/48. ☆20.1. 14.71. WIN Share
VORP. . ☆151.92. 116.05. Value o/ replace
RAPTORS TOTAL +7.5. +8.6. ☆ algorithm
WAR CAREER. ☆297.2. 280.4. Algorithm
WAR PEAK 7 YRS. 161.8. 187.5. ☆ algorithm
CLUTCH % 17.8% 49.6% ☆
DPOY. 0. 1. ☆
Scoring Titles. 1. 10. ☆
Defensive All Team. 6. 9. ☆
Regular Season MVP. 4. 5. ☆
FMVP. 4. 6. ☆
MJ. 6-0. VS LEBRON 4-6.
TOTAL TURNOVERS. ☆. 5,211. 2,924
FREE THROW PPG. 5.65. 8.1. ☆
Offensive Rebound PG. 1.2. 1.6. ☆
LBJ. 19-107 CLUTCH feild goals
1st missed feild goals
1st missed three point feild goals
1st in turnovers
7th worst plus and minus
Swept 2x in the finals/swept in wcf
Missed the playoffs 4x
Steals title MJ 3X. LBJ 0
This is the truth about making the right shot.
Game winning/tying shots in the Finals with 25 seconds or less
Jordan = 4 on 8 attempts (50%)
- 1991 Finals Game 3 - Game tying shot to force OT
- 1997 Finals Game 1 - Buzzer beater over Russell
- 1997 Finals Game 5 - Go-ahead 3 with 25 seconds
- 1998 Finals Game 6 - Championship winning steal and shot
LeBron = 0 on 6 attempts (0%)
- missed game tying shot in Game 3 of 2007 Finals
- missed game tying shot in Game 6 of 2013 Finals
- missed game winner in Game 1 of 2015 Finals
- missed game winner in Game 2 of 2015 Finals in the 4th quarter
- missed game winner in Game 2 of 2015 Finals in OT
- missed game tying shot in Game 3 of 2017 Finals
Game winning/tying assists in the Finals with 25 seconds or less
Jordan - 2
- 1997 Finals Game 6 - title-winning assist to Kerr
- 1998 Finals Game 1 - game-tying assist to Longley to force OT
LeBron - 1
- 2011 Finals Game 2 - game-tying assist to Chalmers on a 3-pointer
Lebron led those teams with good records, Jordan went to the playoffs multiple with horrid records so making the playoffs back then was way easier than today.
Lebron had great defenders on his team and was facing scrub teams like the Nets and Wizards in the playoffs. Neither is THAT impressive.
Nope that's not the case. The East in the 80s was top heavy so the 1 bad team could have a bad record and make it. Whereas LeBron's east was so weak that outside of the 1 or 2 good teams at a time, the entire conference was an absolute joke. It was so weak that Bron fans would litterally say "who we playing in the finals" before the season even started 😂😂
@@MineShackle I mean Lebron has faced scrubs as well but Jordan has made the playoffs 27-55, like that’s incredibly bad
@@colewrld901 Bro one year the Bulls made the playoffs 27-55
@@AnthonyOfficial_ I meant LeBron, not Jordan.
I absolutely hate the argument that Jordan made his teammates better
Definitely made pippen better
@@judahmourneth1466 pippen made pippen better
@@xcbaby123 umm no!! That would be MJ.
@@xcbaby123 can you prove he didn’t make his teammates better.
He did make his teammates better.. Jordan got rookies who averaged single digits, and built them up into great players. You can see their numbers improve year by year. They literally have been on record stating they improved cause of Jordans mindset.. he made them do Jordans workouts which was work out in his gym, and then practice for hours on court. There's a reason why players who came onto the Bulls and developed under Jordan still went on to be good players, whereas players who came into the league under LeBrons Cavs have been nobodies.
How dare you say LeBron isn't the GOAT 🐐
@Reed Ricketts yeah I know I'm not a Bronsexual lol 😂 😂
@@KingAnge978 yes you are
LeBron can't have a high basketball IQ when he's not even smart enough to work on his own free throws.
He’s worked on his three-point shot. He’s improved his ball handling, and most of what he does is durability workouts and taking care of his body.
Low can you make a vid debating mj and Lebron off da court
Like for example LeBron activism on social matters versus mj creation the whole Jordan as a whole off da court culture
that would be a very quick video based on the fact lebron is an activist and jordan was just there to play basketball and get paid
Bro anyone who’s been the best player on a floor knows how to play decoy. And he never said he was the ONLY ONE to do that gaslit argument
LeBron is the goat his iq is better low just click baited
What
@@Tamarion890 low is a hater i know his type
MJ COMPARISON TO LEBRON
----‐------------Lebron. MJ
PPG. 27.6. 31.5 ☆ Points
ORTG. 119.7. 121.3 ☆ Offensive rating
SPG. 1.5. 2.3. ☆ steals
BPG. 0.7. 0.8. ☆ blocks
TOPG. ☆ 3.5. 2.7. Turnovers
PER. 25.1. 27.9. ☆ Player Efficiency
BPM. 8.65. 9.21 ☆
WS/48. ☆20.1. 14.71. WIN Share
VORP. . ☆151.92. 116.05. Value o/ replace
RAPTORS TOTAL +7.5. +8.6. ☆ algorithm
WAR CAREER. ☆297.2. 280.4. Algorithm
WAR PEAK 7 YRS. 161.8. 187.5. ☆ algorithm
CLUTCH % 17.8% 49.6% ☆
DPOY. 0. 1. ☆
Scoring Titles. 1. 10. ☆
Defensive All Team. 6. 9. ☆
Regular Season MVP. 4. 5. ☆
FMVP. 4. 6. ☆
MJ. 6-0. VS LEBRON 4-6.
TOTAL TURNOVERS. ☆. 5,211. 2,924
FREE THROW PPG. 5.65. 8.1. ☆
Offensive Rebound PG. 1.2. 1.6. ☆
LBJ. 19-107 CLUTCH feild goals
1st missed feild goals
1st missed three point feild goals
1st in turnovers
7th worst plus and minus
Swept 2x in the finals/swept in wcf
Missed the playoffs 4x
Steals title MJ 3X. LBJ 0
LEBRON MIDSED PLAYOFFS IN 2003, 2004 AND 2019 AND 2022
YEAR RECORD ROUND REACHED
2006 7-6 Conference Semifinals LOST
2007 12-8 NBA Finals. LOST
2008 7-6 Conference Semifinals LOST
2009 10-4 Conference Finals. LOST
2010 6-5 Conference Semifinals. LOST
2011 14-7 NBA Finals. LOST
2012 16-7 NBA Champion. WIN
2013 16-7 NBA Champion. WIN
2014 13-7 NBA Finals. LOST
2015 14-6 NBA Finals. LOST
2016 16-5 NBA Champion. WIN
2017 13-5 NBA Finals. LOST
2018 12-10 NBA Finals. LOST[MISSED PLAYOFFS 2019]
2020 12-5 NBA Champion. WIN
2021 2-4 First Round. LOST
2023 8-8 Conference Finals. LOST
FUCK LEBRON
Thank you I haven’t seen someone that has the same Jordan knowledge over lebron and I’m only 15 and ik that Jordan is the goat over lebron
One word longevity
Jordan never played at a MVP type level at 36
@@UnemploymentScrub23 no he retired winning finals mvps and an mvp at 35
@@devontaelafleur3841 36 is the key in my sentence lol
@@UnemploymentScrub23 you really think MJ would have been a scrub if he played a year later? 🤡 Malone won MVP in 1999 averaging 23ppg. Jordan would have won that shit fasho
Jordan played with his teammates he gave them an opportunity to score and then he does what he does putting up big numbers and dominating the other guys on the other team, it seems like Michael never get tired his game be going up, and up, and up, two different levels.
LOW is the GOAT 🏀 Analyst!!!!! 💯💯
They would call u a hater if this video was espn
Whoever you think is the GOAT I don’t care let’s just all be glad LOW uploaded
9:47 that also proves jordan had better teammates
But they were better than they would have been *because* of him
How?
At the end was the biggest fact, LeBron only makes his team make him look good🤷🏾♂️
That shit don’t even make sense how do you just look good 😭when you’re bringing you’re team to finals contention every year , y’all niggas be real life hating a nigga and can’t admit that shit
@@SicariiGamingPro you hating on Jordan
@@SicariiGamingPro it’s not hating the east was fucking weak
@@Purelyshot you somehow making yourself believe that dumb shit
@@c.noodles.clmfao it’s hating to say he only makes his team look good don’t know where your argument even correlates 😭 Lmaoo but lemme guess you’re one of the idiots who make themselves believe because he made it 8 years straight back to back that there were no good teams in the east ? Sounds like a weird way to try and discredit somebody