Peace, War, and Absolute Justice - Analysis of the Marines and World Government
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- In a story of ideals, the Marines each have their own sense of right that they exert on the world through their authority, but what do these ideals say about the Government they fight for and the world they serve?
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The World Government Qualities:
- An Empire
- An interesting take on the United Nations
- Pretending to be a Federation where everyone is equal, but otherwise.
....Its really interesting diving into the political system of the One Piece world.
There's also the history aspect to it. Between the deliberate erasure of the end of the large, world-dominating kingdom during the Void Century and the secret occupant of the Empty Throne, it sort of makes you wonder if that kingdom actually lost the war. And then there's all the rest of the mysteries. Where is Pluton, and is it associated with either the minks or the Birkans? What and where is Ouranos, and does it carry an association with one of the non-human tribes? Where is Zushina going? What are devil fruit, and where do they come from? Whose side is Vegapunk on? Did the world of One Piece get invaded by space aliens at some point? Is the final boss of One Piece actually the last Ba'al clone?
just like IRL!
@@gazeboist4535 To quote Sir Walter Raleigh: "whosoever commands the sea commands the trade; whosoever commands the trade of the world commands the riches of the world, and consequently the world itself."
The WG works more like a mafia than an empire, protecting those who can pay tribute to the Nobles and looking the other way about those who don't.
>United Nations
bro the UN isnt ruled by saints that can commit slavery at anytime they please
Another interesting bit between Lucci and Sakazuki is that the former never steps out of line, while the latter is so intense in his personal justice that he'll even back talk the 5 Elders and disparage the Heavenly Dragons.
It just goes to show that "Absolute Justice", to the WG, is anything but. It's just a tool to ensure Marines will replace their own sense of justice with compliance to their orders. It's meant to get them used to doing immoral things in the name of the law, so whenever the WG needs something immoral done they can count on the Marines.
Sakazuki is just finding out that the WG doesn't *really* want true, principled adherence to Absolute Justice. They just want him to do what he's told and call it Justice as a post-hoc rationalization.
vaiyt Sakazuki also doesn't worship the CD in the same way as sengoku.
I doubt Sengoku ever cared about the Dragons.
@@tayojones9460 It seems to me like he cares in the way you don't want to hurt animals because it's immoral and he has empathy but it isn't his primary motive, far from it.
@@vaiyt Which will be their undoing, in underestimating the Red Dog.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
This is why absolute justice is fundamentally flawed
But it's easy. In a way it is the laziest form of justice, it takes no wisdom or maturity to carry out just raw strength. Which the marines have in spades.
You clearly have no idea what this idiom even means.
@@OhKayEl tbh I am confused to cuz idk wut it means either, this is the first time I have heard it too.
@@michaeldavis6993 This proverb has two meanings: one is that an attempt to do good might unintentionally only cause harm and make things worse; and second is that it is not enough to wish to do good, a person needs to actually do it in order for it to count as a good deed. Both of those meanings have little to do with absolute justice.
@@OhKayEl i always interpreted the proverb to be more along the lines of, people being blind to the unintended consequences of their actions simply because they believed their actions to be good. the idea that one is doing something with good intentions and so everyone who opposes them must have bad intentions, being fully unwilling to even hear the critiques from those who disagree on even a small part of their ideals or policies and forcing those policies on everyone often causing more harm than good.
in other words those who believe they are truly and unquestionably good are the least fit to rule over others, as to truly do good one must understand their own flaws and limitations and be open to the views of others who may have knowledge that they don't.
so i feel like it fits well with the idea of absolute justice. any time i see someone claiming that a dissenting voice should be silenced i think of this quote
"Democracies don't exist" Water 7 has a mayor, so democracy isn't completely unknown, but it's far from common and probably limited to very specific areas that don't have much political power. Water 7's situation is very unique. But otherwise this video is on point.
Edit: you could also probably argue that Eneru was a dictator, but Skypeia isn't part of the WG anyway...
There's also a precedent for elected kings
Elective Monarchy>Gavelkind Succession.
I think water 7 may be the model that the world to follow after the world government gets taken down. Iceberg gaining the trust of the people through effort and teamwork. If we look at the sea as a personification of the world government in a sense water 7 has been slowly being battered by it year after year with aqua laguna and the people only solution to build upon the older buildings but iceberg wants to free the city of it. He wants to make a floating city free of control from the sea, unlike the islands that must deal with it. The shipwright of water 7 had a connection with the ancient past since the pluton was created there. His ideal also would align with luffy ideal of a pirate king is the freest man on the sea but he frees his city instead. This would be another metaphor of being free of the past that held up water 7 so long for a true solution would mirror the world being held by the government for centuries but being free once the truth of the void century is known and the world government is taken down.
Ye most governments for individual islands are monarchies, and most if not all countries who are part of the wg, are monarchies.
We don't know if Water 7's mayor achieved that position by democratic means. Water 7 could be a meritocracy/aristocracy/technocracy rather than a democracy.
I do find it interesting Sakazuki:
- Didn't kill Bonney/Kuzan when he had the chance.
- Calls out the Gorosei for the Doflamingo resignation stunt and was trivially dismissed by them.
- Has been locked out of information like being unwilling to send Borsalino to Wano while CP-0 is negotiating with Orochi and also while the Marines didn't know about Joker, CP-0 also used him as a middle man for their business.
So it is clear he has absolute adherence to the marines, but is not blindly obedient to the World Government and Celestial Dragons and is also pretty aware and disgusted by their corruption like Kuzan, Issho and Smoker. So I do think he is more noble in that way compared to Lucci and the CP agents.
He wasn't so noble when he murdered a marine in cold bloody when he tried to kill Coby.
@@tayojones9460 He didn't say he was noble, he's just saying he's more noble than Lucci and CP0
Slightly. He may be "noble" but only slightly. He is still a complete monster.
Tao Jones T.jones Lucci killed helpless prisoners. He's a psychopaths.
Tao Jones T.jones he murdered them because he thought they were turn coating. Which is pretty common practice. Desertion in almost any military is a death sentence. Also in many it’s a death sentence to defy orders.
You probably haven’t study war or militaries that often. Or your default is that armies are evil. Which is fair
But pirates are pretty awful. Yes luffy doesn’t kill. But shanks does. In fact all the yonkos steal and pillage and kill. They are all pretty bad.
So if you view it that then killing someone for not killing murders and thieves and generally bad people then it’s not bad.
In another story we would be following the marines. We wouldn’t be following Luffy. Luffy isn’t really a pirate. He doesn’t do pirate things. He is more of an anarchist.
He doesn’t typically attack people who aren’t already proven bad. He has strong morals. He seems to only steal food.
Like generally speaking him and his crew aren’t evil.
The worst thing luffy did was break out of prison with big bads. It was to reduce his brother.
We see the marines as bad is because luffy is not bad. In relation to pirates as whole tho then the marines are good.
What is interesting about this is Sakazuki is now showing resistance against the World Government, showing he cares not about what they order for him to do but instead what he views they should stand for. I would not be surprised if in the end, the World Government feeding into his zealot ideals would be part of their undoing, as they cannot stop this monster they've created because of their own hubris.
I really like this analytical side of One Piece, great video again
i can't wait to see Green Bull's sense of justice.
Green peace justice
I imagine his would be similar to kizaru's, as to when sakazuki ordered him to keep fujitora out of marijois, green bull ignored those orders and chose to hang out with fujitora simply because he was to lazy to do so
@@roam980 Or he just does whatever he wants and only cloaks himself in the name of justice as a means of getting away with things. We've seen corrupt government characters like Nezumi or Spandam but they are fairly low level. Akainu is a prick but he at least believes that the law must be upheld.
Natural justice, survival the fittest. It’s so good lmao
I think of it as Hungry Justice. His desire to see 'evil' punished is so greedy that he takes it easy too far, even compared to Sakazuki or Lucci.
Really diggin the point about Big Mom because the Emperors (Big Mom and Kaido at least) run their territories very similarly to the World Government with those useful being rewarded, the high-reliance on military might, and being highly concerned about their image in the eyes of the world in order to maintain a reputation of invincibility. Can't wait to see how Wano plays into this idea once we learn a bit more about the Beast Pirates.
They're not Emperors, Emperors gain their power through legal means, the yonko are criminal organization leaders. They're mafia bosses. It's ridiculous to compare them to someone like say Palpatine. If anything Palpatine would be Im, not the yonko.
@@WorldGovernmentGeoInstitut , with the exception of Luffy and MarnieFord War White Beard all of the Emperors are the World Government bitches, so yes there’s really no difference between the Emperors and the World Government itself, and that’s why people seems to like the Strawhats or the Revolutionaries more because if the Marines themselves were perfect soldiers like they claim they are then they’d kill or capture the Emperors themselves like what Luffy is trying to do, but they won’t because they’re pussies.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr I've got nothing to argue there. Just two points though. First, I also want to point out SWORD, we don't know what they're up to after all but I do believe they're a rebel group within the world government (specifically the marines) that maybe has actually good intentions, I think it's possible they'll ally with the revolutionary army at some point, maybe they already have. Secondly, I guess you're right, you could say the yonko are pawns of Im. Sengoku said the world balance is kept by having the marines, the shichibukai and the yonko on equal footing, you'd think the goal of the wg would be to destroy the yonko and then the shichibukai but Sengoku didn't explicitly say that. My theory is that Im allows those three forces (now two) in order to keep the world in constant conflict and deceive people. What would happen to the one piece world if the yonko were all eliminated along with the shichibukai in a single day?
@@WorldGovernmentGeoInstitut , the Bounty Hunters that are Commander Level or Yonko level could help out the civilians of One Piece whenever there aren’t any World Government Officials, Pirates, or Revolutionaries to save the public civilians in One Piece.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr Eventually the wg would be defeated but what would replace it is a good question. This is why I love the whole "freedom vs authority" philosophy (as remarked by mr. morj).
I agree with much of the video but you seem to think that their “justice” has to with how they obey the law. It’s how they carry out the law. I mean that island had to be exterminated and ice man still did it. He just didn’t think a child who probably didn’t know how to read the glyphs needed to die.
He decided that the mission would be carried out without killing innocents. Where as lava man was like “my orders are to kill everyone in the island”
Absolute justice means the law followed by the most basic interpretation.
This is why you are confused by reasonable justice. He still follows the law becusse they all do. They all believe the law is justice or they wouldn’t have joined the marines who are essentially the police.
He is reasonable in how he carries out his justice.
He disagreed with the law but had to follow it out. So he didn’t go all out against the straw hats,
Absolute Justice is based on a couple premises:
- The law is synonymous with morality.
- No means are immoral in the pursuit of justice.
These two principles are designed to push Marines into discarding their own sense of justice and replacing it with compliance to their orders. It gets them used to doing immoral things in pursuit of the law and retroactively calling it justice, so whenever the WG wants something immoral done they can count on the Marines to execute it.
@@vaiyt there are a few problems here. You are viewing it from our perspective, but all Marines, including Garp, are expected to commit evil
Acts.
So you are viewing abosukte
Justice from out metric and not theirs. That’s where my critique of the video comes from
@@conradkorbol , let’s say hypothetically in an alternate reality Sabo, Ace, Roger, White Beard, Shanks, etc etc were all Marines, and the Marines themselves like Garp, Sengoku, etc, etc, were Pirates in the alternate reality I described there’d be no chaos at all in the world of One Piece because the laws themselves would be suited to fit the individuals and not the other way around like what’s shown in the main universe of One Piece hence why if Luffy, Ace, Sabo, Shanks, etc etc were all Marines themselves they’d lock up or kill criminals like Black Beard, Kaido, etc etc, not by who they’re related to but by the heinous crimes they themselves have committed, and it’s another reason on why people like Armstrong from Metal Gear Rising more than Raiden in Metal Gear Rising.
Just wanted to mention that I view the marines not as the police (that to me is Cipher Pol) but as the military. I compare Cipher Pol with the usual fictional depiction of interpol (street fighter, etc.) and the marines with the blue helmets/UN peacekeeping. Not sure if Oda actually based each organization on those two respectively but I do think it's an apt comparison.
@@WorldGovernmentGeoInstitut cipher pol is the cia not the police. Or another secret service. Interpol is a real international police org. But cipherpol acts more like a secret service. They gather intel and assassinate key targets.
The navy is actually arresting people and stopping criminals.
Oda used the word pirate and navy too loosely
Yes shower me with these analysis
The way you juxtapose, show dichotomy between characters and events, and also your prose, is beautiful..
You and Mr Morj are the best at these video's 💯
Tim from the basement
Lol, when I saw the title I thought it was from Mr Morj
Hell yeah I was just thinking that
.....Giant Jack ?
Don't you mean _John Giant_ ? :P
Who knew the beanstalk from Skypeia was in the Navy?
Woah you're good. You put attention to a lot of things I overlooked
As a guy who's nature is to always take thing literally, these amazing videos gives me insight to appreciate the series, thank you very much!
Your One Piece videos give me LIFE
I might not like the majority of your videos(but that's just because you cover very different types of anime than i prefer) but i respect your analytical eye i wish more youtubers would follow suite
The final part always gets me pump up to see how this final conflict will pay out.
holy hell
the way he used the 3 blocking whitebeard attack in MF and their lines is genius
Great timing I've just been binging the one piece anime
Great video. It's incredible how even the relatively minor elements of Oda's world reflects so critically on our own.
One of the best One Piece analysis videos I've ever seen if not the best
Brilliant video. I especially liked what you said about Isho and Smoker. They are the only REAL marines in OP. They fight for what rights and do not back down, but even to their superiors.
Not even to their superiors, not but.
There are many other. Tashigi being one of them. I suspect Coby, Helmeppo, Hina, Tsuru, Gion and that spinoff series girl who was chasing Ace (can't remember her name) would stand for being moral rather than standing for absolute justice when it came down to choosing. I do believe that all Marines brass want to get rid of the CDs but by then there'll be those that choose absolute justice (Akainu and others) and then there'll be those that choose Moral Justice.
Damn you need more views I love how guys like you make One Piece deeper everyday
Cant believe you only have 20k subs
Yoooo I just love how this video Also shows another layer of whole cake island arc
I'm so early I can't think of a comment.
Amazing video wish you the best for the future.
these vids are definitely growing on me, love the format and good one piece music in the back thats set fornthe right moods that you talk about, keep it up
4:28 cant believe he reads manga like a comic and starts from the left and not the right
You make some of the best one piece videos. Once again, great video!
I still don't get how Akainu's version of justice is any worse than Rob Lucci's they seem about the same level of terrible to me.
Akainu focus on a general goal while rob lucci focus of specific goal.
YES! Another One Piece analysis video.
13:45 - 13:58 I feel so honored the soul of my idea is still alive and is used in different contexts
i love the idea of absolute justice in one piece, if i can be a one piece character, i wanted to be akainu apprentice, that guy is a legend
You may be missing the point here mate.
@@crodthesorrysap4165 why not both?
Still waiting on that Character Development video...
About What?
@@mistersureshot1749
I think he's talking about character development in general.
@@PersianSlashuur But why? what specifically? He already did a video on Usopp, Whats so interesting talking about character development as a whole?
@@mistersureshot1749 maybe the development of the characters that the straw hats have had contact with and how effects the story in general.
@@mistersureshot1749
How it's done wrong or right?
Again amazing, besides just One Piece this gives me great ideas for DnD!
It is never once stated but honestly Luffy stands for Free Justice...
The freedom of all is Justice.
What the heck is Green Bulls Justice... Late Justice?
Judging from his introduction talk with Issho he might be "selfish justice" or something. He'll only do something if he wants to. Like when Sakazuki ordered him to remove Issho from the Reverie,
"I don't want to!"
and how he doesn't even bother to eat without some sort of motivation.
It would support my theory that the new 2 admirals' justice are sort of mirrors to the 2 former admirals that they replaced.
Admiral Fujitora's "blind justice" where he blindly follows the laws of the government, with the goal of exposing the flaws of the system, while Akainu follows the laws to support the system.
Aokiji had his "lazy justice" where he sometimes doesn't follow the rules in order to help others. If my assumption about mirroring justices is correct then admiral Ryogukyu doesn't always follow the rules to benefit himself.
Tho I don't know.. Might be wrong.
okay this guy has good videos
This is an awesome video
Quality stuff man!
Do the Revolutionary Army next pls
damn that was good, well done
This is some good content!
14:16 Then why the fuck did they even let Sakazuki and Kuzan fight.That makes no sense that if they wanted the world to continue as be then they would've just been like"Kuzan,fleet admiral,K?" On top of that Kuzan didn't even want to be fleet admiral until he heard Sakazuki was nominated .
Sengoku wanted Kuzan to being the next Fleet Admiral after him, but the Gorosei wanted Sakazuki to being the next Fleet Admiral instead whereas the Celestial Dragons themselves didn’t really gave a shit about who was the next Fleet Admiral, so Kuzan fought with Sakazuki for 2 years, so that way if he was the sole Victor than for once Sengoku’s orders being followed instead of the Gorosei’s orders, but since the World Government in the status quo, and the status quo is god whenever it comes to the World Government in One Piece Sakazuki was made Fleet Admiral and Kuzan became a Pirate.
I wonder what Green Bulls justice will be?
fantastic
also whats the name of the soundtrack at 10:03
Can you do a shanks video?
I'd prefer another Katakuri Analysis video tbh. We don't know enough about Shanks.
awesome vid
Daaaamn this analysis is stepping very close to comrade territory I gotta say 😂
Koby for Fleet admiral
Complacency, compromising your beliefs, acts of genocide, slavery, and prejudice means peace.
Freedom, Breaking the law, Fighting for what you belief in, Dreams of adventure, happiness, and unconditional love are worth rebelling yet can cause a World War.
Neither side is right, but neither side is wrong too.
if you support slavery and prejudice thats definitely the wrong side nothing can justify it
@@ngonidzasherungano1824
And if you support pillaging, theivery, and wanton carnage and destruction, you are also in the wrong.
@@carefree4all1 Not if you know what responsibility is and use the "treat others as they want to be treated" rule.
Freedom=/=licentiousness.
@@WorldGovernmentGeoInstitut
I'd go with the reverse golden rule:
_Treat them the way they treat you_
Understand that, in One Piece, criminals and tyrants vastly outnumber the authorities and most of them are the licentious type.
@@carefree4all1 Just want to comment that the CDs are tyrants as well, it's just that they're not criminals because they are the state. "they are the senate" so to speak. And yet they also act like a mafia: if you don't pay the heavenly tribute you get no service from the marines.
Agrred i think i the end the 4 admirals (fleet admirals+3admirals) have to be (if their power match an admiral status):
-Fujitora
-Koby
-Smoker
-No Idea, could be Kuzan, Borsalino or even a Revolutionnary
When CraftsDwarf does not upload a video, I think no.
When CraftsDwarf uploads a video, I think yes.
Poor Smoker got Nerfed...
Incredible.
No sir. Thank You for the great video.
Does Garp represent Honorable Justice?
Do a video on contradictions in anime!
Absolute Justice can also be called Destructive Justice.
No not really, destruction isn't really the main goal, the main goal is to establish the marines as absolute power. Key difference.
That's not what I mean. His ideology is destructive to the Marines and those supposed to be protected by them because it is merciless, rigid and lacks any room for compassion and empathy.
@@boredfangerrude you know that
_is_ true. I guess when I think of the absolute justice ideology I think of how Akainu works towards establishing the marines as absolute power, and how ruthless he is specifically towards his enemies. Remember, absolute justice is only destructive when something gets on the way of establishment. Absolute justice is not there to destroy, it is there to establish absolute power and defeat all enemies at any cost. I feel like destruction is not the main focus of it, but the nature of it.
True, it's the nature of it.
Tyrannical Justice perhaps? The biggest concern with those that follow Absolute Justice is order.
Current Eren and Doflamingo sounds similar in a lot of ways.
Really nice breakdown with a 💩 load of facts 👍👍👍
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So if
Borsalino is personal justice while adhering to the system
Sakazuki is justice adhering to the system
Kuzan is personal justice that is unable to work under the system
Issho is personal justice that is able to work in the system and change it through bureaucracy
Ryokugyu ???
Edit: [Dragon may be personal justice that is unable to work under the system, but changes it in revolution ] (we really never seen a personal justice/philosophy refereed to as a justice outside the world government other than Doffy someone who didn't leave the system but was forced out rejecting the idea of justice in the system and personally )
@
The difference between Absolute and dark justice is that
Absolute justice is not on paper or in nature bad but in practice is bad
Dark justice is in nature and in practice bad
(politics warning don't let this take away from the comment you can just jump over it, it conects to nothing)
(kinda like communism..... and capitalism they both kinda rely on the good nature of people kinda like socialism but socialism flaws is in that people don't know how to rule like banning plastic or mob mentality but modified capitalism and socialism works unlike communism which two main examples turned into
Russia - a monarchy pretending to be a democracy
China - a fascist country pretending to be socialist while one person consolidates power while saying it is in a name of communism making it almost impassible to stop him without looking like you're not against communism and a political dissenter) ( End )
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It's kinda a shame you didn't wait till the new chapters
Because following what I think is your system
The next would be personal justice that is able to work in the system but change it in revolution
which sword might be considering they seem to be working against the world gov
i wonder what greenbull's justice is gonna be
peace justice
Wild Justice
Whitebeard analysis when?
AMAB
Borsolino is light justice
Better yet do a video on Legend of the Galactic Heroes and Berserk! Like say the similarities and differences between Griffith and Reinhard von Lohengramm in their personalities, flaws, and actions in their rise to power and their rule!
This shit HARD
Very
Yeah Fujitora ignoring Doflamingo and actively trying to catch the people trying to take him down post Birdcage activation STILL makes no sense. Especially given his pro-civilian attitude.
At that point he was being extremely petty, wanting pirates to being down Dofflamingo so that he could further prove that the Warlord system is broken, since the job if Warlords is to handle pirates and this would be a Warlord failing to best pirates. I dont recall when he interfered with people stopping Doflamingo though, in fact I recall him standing alongside pirates to help slow down bird cage. After it was all over he did go after luffy and law since they were pirates, but even then he insisted on letting the dice buy them time to get away
14:21 - eeehmm
So basically, Absolute Justice in One Piece is about the equivalent of the system of conservatism and neoliberalism in the U.S. and around the world. Nice to see that Oda had his finger on the pulse of society.
Yeesh.
yeassssssssss
summery of this video
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Blood is important
End
Umm so what about the justice parts?
@@daemonspade8316 , the Marines themselves aren’t any different than that of the Emperors minus Luffy and MarineFord War White Beard, so yes Akemi Homura’s statement is completely true that only Pirates like Luffy, Law, and White Beard thinks that blood isn’t important to building a healthy and stable community, but the actions of the individuals and bringing about stability are what’s important to community.
that's why akainu is worse than blackbeard.
@linlinö önilnil Blackbeard wants the whole world to be plunged in darkness. Akainu does want peace.
@IJŠƇĦͦ̚5ɜPƔNjƇάȥɓϋξ îπɛş\x91͈ǷǯƠɱ\ , I actually agree with entirely both Black Beard and Akainu are equally as evil as each other.
Yeaaah, analysis of the worst shounen in holy trinity.
lol. Stop.
@@heyarnold7256 ok, i already said what i wanted
@Dxrk Zoom it is not bait, i mean it.
Fail.
I respect that your opinion, but I love OP. And I always will.
What is interesting about this is Sakazuki is now showing resistance against the World Government, showing he cares not about what they order for him to do but instead what he views they should stand for. I would not be surprised if in the end, the World Government feeding into his zealot ideals would be part of their undoing, as they cannot stop this monster they've created because of their own hubris.
It would be hilarious if Akainu and Luffy fight together because of this