I was at my practice night once and I didn't know that the stay was cracked and i had bumped it a few times and when i set the bell after we had finished, i started tieing the tail end up and the stay gave way and when up all the way to the belfry from the ground floor of the church. i am okay now but it is so danm frightening!!!!
@@1260stedders no; it comes out of the tower’s fund for maintenance and is usually accepted as a result of training. The rule of thumb is that the breaking of the stay is the fault of the trainer rather than the trainee, but it doesn’t stop the massively guilty feelings! 2 years on I still have it in the back of my mind!
my fav church is near my home town its a classic church style has 5 bells, 1 6 foot 4 other 2,3 foot i like to ring these bells but also am scared that the stay would break i had a nightmare about it once thankfully it was a bad dream.😌
Now, as a curious outsider to this seemingly wonderful and fascinating hobby, would it be the case that the stay breaking was a complete set up just for the film? Looks to me like it was made of grainy pine. Perhaps the original one was unbolted and switched with this softwood specimen, on which the camera shot was deliberately focused. Being filmed in the presence of actual ringers, I doubt any deliberate damage to the original parts occurred.
Hi Chris, we used a regular stay made out of ash, but drilled holes in it so that it would be easier to break. The holes were then filled with sawdust for additional effect.
York Minster has "Hastings" stays- wood with a metal tip. Neverhad this happen to me thank god, but i did have a clock hammer slip and fall into the spokes.... the old clacker valve twitched then I can tell you!
I did this at Drumbo Church once, on the 4 cwt treble... I had rung the tenor before that, so I think I pulled too hard, and the sally came down too fast for me to react to... Plus, the stay had already been cracked by a certain ringer from Belfast - w -
At St Peters in Adelaide the tenor has its original spare stay from 1947 lying around, but its still using the stay that was used when it was first rung 75 years ago.
and this is why you have to use maas rowe digital chime unit or verdin digital chime unit to avoid damaging the wood of stay or damaging the rope at all costs.
what's with the fancy bent stays? do they set light at hand and deep at back or are your sliders out of line with the bells? a square stick does the job on most bells I've seen.
Not likely, the bell will continue to swing until it stops itself hanging downward. It will remain fixed to the wheel and headstock. Should the frame which holds the bell in place become unstable and cause the bell to fall, it will likely be a wider issue resulting in the entire collapse of the tower or all the bells to fall together. I would personally say the chance of a bell falling is almost zero. In fact, I have not yet heard of an account of this happening.
I read an article about a tenor bell falling down a tower in Kilmersden, Somerset. The ringers were actually in the ringing room ringing the bells at the time. They thought the tenor wasn't handling as well as it usually did, before it came away from the frame and crashed down two floors. The ringers fortunately got away as it fell.
Bell saved, the stay has broken saving damage to the headstock and bearings. The stay is cheap to replace and the rope is not necessarily ruined either. Three weeks ago, a stay broke at our practice and the rope and bell we perfectly fine. In fact, our most experienced ringers rang it up and held it on the balance so it could still be rang for the evening before the stay was finally replaced.
due to the rope flying around the wheel I think the stay actually did break. Because of that the bell did an additional rotation and the clapper flipped to the opposite side, similar to what happens on Spanish bells.
@Nautical_Parsnip2003 if you dont let go of the rope when the stay breaks, you will get taken into the ceiling and you might be severely injured or even killed. So it is best to let go of the rope when the slider or the stay breaks.
Think of the stay as the fuse in a plug. It's a safety mechanism. I've only ever had one ringer I was teaching (I hadn't taught them from the start, I should add, I was running an open practice which they attended) break a stay. I gave it to them as a trophy. Most stay breaks happen as a result of either a lack of explanation of the mechanics of ringing, or someone being rushed through handling and over-pulling.
This just happened to me, i shot up then fell from the ceiling onto my coxis..........sooooooooooooo painful loool i started learning last week, bad times.
i don’t believe you are legitimate because, you wouldn’t fly up to the ceiling and come back down again the rope will continue up you would fall and be badly injured.
Well you would, if you didn’t let go of the rope. Usually when the bell is up and over at handstroke the sally would be the same height as when the bell is stood at backstroke. But when the bell swings past that point when the stay breaks, the rope goes higher than that until it rings itself down.
nonsense, sir! what good would machines do? Machines cannot ring bells in the English style and they have always traditionally been handrung. You'll see quickly that Britain is a country that likes to hang onto its traditions
I broke a stay once when I was learning and it can give you a massive fright.
Wow. I never broke the stay
Wolf King Same. Been ringing 3 1/2 years and never broken one
I broke one early on. That was on a 7 cwt tenor. I was lucky enough to let go!
Funny story, a new ringer broke the stay and was still holding onto the rope and lifted off the ground 😂
I uh did the same I broke it but for a 1 ton bell
Did they just break a stay to show us? True legends
Looks like it.
It's probably CGI
It's not CGI it's the real thing.
The word is b r e a k.
@@stuartburden3968 sorry teacher, changing it now
I was at my practice night once and I didn't know that the stay was cracked and i had bumped it a few times and when i set the bell after we had finished, i started tieing the tail end up and the stay gave way and when up all the way to the belfry from the ground floor of the church. i am okay now but it is so danm frightening!!!!
I did exactly this last week on my fourth visit. Took everyone by surprise, most of all me! Managed to let go before I took flight!
Did you have to pay for the damage
@@1260stedders no; it comes out of the tower’s fund for maintenance and is usually accepted as a result of training. The rule of thumb is that the breaking of the stay is the fault of the trainer rather than the trainee, but it doesn’t stop the massively guilty feelings! 2 years on I still have it in the back of my mind!
Were u thrown into in the air? I hope not
@@seanDB1989 was it rotten
@@jacobparry6212 nope - solid, until it met the slider with a bit too much force
my fav church is near my home town its a classic church style has 5 bells, 1 6 foot 4 other 2,3 foot i like to ring these bells but also am scared that the stay would break i had a nightmare about it once thankfully it was a bad dream.😌
Dude that creeped me out!
Me too
The bit attached to the headstock was a lot shorter when I broke one last night
The bell Will Never stay forever, it will swing forever
Bro the stay is the thing that lets the bell rest against the slider so it doesnt flip
Why was this so scary for me back in the day?
Now, as a curious outsider to this seemingly wonderful and fascinating hobby, would it be the case that the stay breaking was a complete set up just for the film? Looks to me like it was made of grainy pine. Perhaps the original one was unbolted and switched with this softwood specimen, on which the camera shot was deliberately focused. Being filmed in the presence of actual ringers, I doubt any deliberate damage to the original parts occurred.
Hi Chris, we used a regular stay made out of ash, but drilled holes in it so that it would be easier to break. The holes were then filled with sawdust for additional effect.
Bellringingfilm that explains it. Thanks. 🙂
@@Bellringingfilm which church is this?
@Bellringingfilm, thanks for the effort. I'm going to file this one in a playlist for educating purposes!
@@Bellringingfilm Thankyou for the explanation. I never thought you could deliberately break a stay.
You don't have to be so beefy pulling the rope its all about balancing
are you a ringer?
@@FrancescoBellringer I used to be a ringer, yes.
Kieravin Stinson I was asking ‘Jaygamer553’
Francesco Bellringer that’s my old account which I don’t use anymore.
Kieravin Stinson oh right
0:51 rip
York Minster has "Hastings" stays- wood with a metal tip. Neverhad this happen to me thank god, but i did have a clock hammer slip and fall into the spokes.... the old clacker valve twitched then I can tell you!
I did this at Drumbo Church once, on the 4 cwt treble... I had rung the tenor before that, so I think I pulled too hard, and the sally came down too fast for me to react to...
Plus, the stay had already been cracked by a certain ringer from Belfast - w -
Do they keep spare stays in the tower?
Yes most towers have tons of spare stays
At St Peters in Adelaide the tenor has its original spare stay from 1947 lying around, but its still using the stay that was used when it was first rung 75 years ago.
and this is why you have to use maas rowe digital chime unit or verdin digital chime unit to avoid damaging the wood of stay or damaging the rope at all costs.
what's with the fancy bent stays? do they set light at hand and deep at back or are your sliders out of line with the bells? a square stick does the job on most bells I've seen.
If the stay breaks and the bell is swinging with no way of stopping quickly can it break the support and fall?
Not likely, the bell will continue to swing until it stops itself hanging downward. It will remain fixed to the wheel and headstock. Should the frame which holds the bell in place become unstable and cause the bell to fall, it will likely be a wider issue resulting in the entire collapse of the tower or all the bells to fall together. I would personally say the chance of a bell falling is almost zero. In fact, I have not yet heard of an account of this happening.
I read an article about a tenor bell falling down a tower in Kilmersden, Somerset. The ringers were actually in the ringing room ringing the bells at the time. They thought the tenor wasn't handling as well as it usually did, before it came away from the frame and crashed down two floors. The ringers fortunately got away as it fell.
does the treble have a hasting stay
OMG THE BELL RINGER US YOU?
@irkibby I know that! I was talking about at the start where you can see that the bell is up wrong. Anyway do you happen to know where this is filmed.
I think this is Addington, G&J's last job. I would not have chosen to deliberately break a stay on what is clearly an old, canon-headed bell.
I broke my slider a month ago... And it gives me so much fright
Regil Villanueva where did you break one my dad broke one at cobham
Ringer Fred at St Mary's cathedral in Sydney, Australia...
Can you actually break a slider?
At least the bell kept ringing
the bell in crazy
What tower was that the one that stay just broke 😢
@WrongAndHome Nobody rang it up wrong. If a bell goes over when a stay breaks, the clapper is going to be on the wrong side... think about it!
How do the people take the stay off and put a new one on?
Ringer loses control-Stay breaks-Bell flies out of control. 😮😮😮😮
Well It actually goes up into the ceiling
ruclips.net/video/t-CNEDndITA/видео.htmlsi=5Uts-ZAI9Ad-uLAg this is when it flies out of control
I broke the stay tonight and feel pretty crummy about it, managed to somehow hold the bell though and it was rung down safely.
solution is just get a bell that is stationary
You really dont understand change ringing do you?
@@fredmills368 cole is right though, it is a solution
0:54 Oh Gosh, The bell stop ringing
You need that thing to stop the bell otherwise it’ll be dangerous for the bell to be spinning up and up and up
The Bellringer IS belling to hard
0:55 Bell destroyed , Bell Rope will go to the dump
Bell saved, the stay has broken saving damage to the headstock and bearings. The stay is cheap to replace and the rope is not necessarily ruined either. Three weeks ago, a stay broke at our practice and the rope and bell we perfectly fine. In fact, our most experienced ringers rang it up and held it on the balance so it could still be rang for the evening before the stay was finally replaced.
The bells fine, I rang it a couple of months ago!
How he break the bell
Missed the Sallie he did it on purpose though there’s lots of ways you can break a stay
What tower is this?
West wickham
and addington
My dad broke a slider yesterday
oof
He must be really strong then
@@caroline6871 it was a ash slider and someone put an oak stay in by mistake
Oh okay
Where is this and who rang it up wrong?
due to the rope flying around the wheel I think the stay actually did break. Because of that the bell did an additional rotation and the clapper flipped to the opposite side, similar to what happens on Spanish bells.
Look up flipping bell and youll see what happens
Poor bell
How did they film this?
We drilled lots of holes into a wooden stay so that it would be easy to break, and filled the holes with sawdust to add a bit of a special effect.
You mean like this one
1:09
Im scared 😱
So don't let go of the rope Got it!
@Nautical_Parsnip2003 if you dont let go of the rope when the stay breaks, you will get taken into the ceiling and you might be severely injured or even killed. So it is best to let go of the rope when the slider or the stay breaks.
I wish I could find a tower, without elitist snobs.
Why use plank? Use steel!
Maybe try and listen to the fucking video?
ffs ezekiel are you slow?
Think of the stay as the fuse in a plug. It's a safety mechanism.
I've only ever had one ringer I was teaching (I hadn't taught them from the start, I should add, I was running an open practice which they attended) break a stay. I gave it to them as a trophy.
Most stay breaks happen as a result of either a lack of explanation of the mechanics of ringing, or someone being rushed through handling and over-pulling.
It is supposed to break
@@RingerLuca651 you are a money waster 😑😑
This just happened to me, i shot up then fell from the ceiling onto my coxis..........sooooooooooooo painful loool i started learning last week, bad times.
i don’t believe you are legitimate because, you wouldn’t fly up to the ceiling and come back down again the rope will continue up you would fall and be badly injured.
Well you would, if you didn’t let go of the rope. Usually when the bell is up and over at handstroke the sally would be the same height as when the bell is stood at backstroke. But when the bell swings past that point when the stay breaks, the rope goes higher than that until it rings itself down.
but like long Hải church
WHAT THE FUC# 1:07
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooojlkk
Damn they need automatic bells instead of rope powered ones
nonsense, sir! what good would machines do? Machines cannot ring bells in the English style and they have always traditionally been handrung. You'll see quickly that Britain is a country that likes to hang onto its traditions
Your clearly not a ringer so you dont understand English church bell ringing
That would take away all the fun, plus even in italy (were bells are less comlicated for the most part) we prefer to hang on to the traditional style.