The New Tube For London
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- The New Tube for London is coming to the Piccadilly Line, with 94 new trains being - with half of those being built at a new Siemens factory in Goole, East Yorkshire. I went along for a press trip where we got to see a mock-up of the new Tube Train coming to the Underground by 2025!
Tom's video for BBC London : • Mayor sees new Piccadi...
Drone footage : Courtsey of Siemens Mobility
New Tube for London images : Courtesy of Transport for London
CORRECTION - The new trains will actually have NINE carriages (not six) with them being shorter in length so that the overall length of the train will be the same.
Lets appriciate that a guy off of RUclips with a camera in hand is interviewing the Mayor of London and chatting with the BBC staff who are making content. This is truly the future of content. Passionate individuals making amazing content!
Hear, hear! YT and passionate bloggers are better curators of real news content than any reporter, who is limited by time, general knowledge, and socio-political restraints in their coverage of niche stories.
@@k.r.baylor8825 Amen!! When you cover too much.....you actually cover too little! 🧐
Future of content? Ain’t even a big deal calm down
@@user-ki6id4vt8u Needs to become a big deal, very quickly - by scrapping the license fee and de-funding the BBC. The good news is that there's never been a "climate emergency". However, the indoctrination emergency is bad and getting worse.
As a former motorman, I was hoping you'd raise the question of where the operator puts his tea mug. Non-specialists have this weird idea that trains run on steam diesel or electric. They don't they run on tea and coffee.
It's down low on the drivers left side.
Excellent point. I hope the front also has another seat for guests.
@@ajs41 Yes for Instructors officially.
Tea, coffee, and sausage rolls from Greggs, I would add.
We could always just finally create an autonomous service with platform doors, and no caffeinated beverages being required...
Geoff sharing the train with a BBC Official and has seen the Mayor. Flying with the big leagues 🔥
He’s worth far more than those lot for sure.
He was a local radio reporter, not a bbc official, and the London Mayor has a lot of crime issues to sort out, the nice train stuff is a media distraction, he didnt answer the question about TfL finances, not long ago he said he might have to close a tube line because of funding problems.
yes he is.
Geoff has earned these accolades. He does a more in-depth dive into these topics than any reporter would. Well done, mate.
Correction: BBC journos and the Mayor have now shared a train with Geoff Marshall :P
The buttons are for when the train is standing in a terminus station. It allows the doors to close in order to maintain the interior temperature of the tube trains.
I should think there’s also an emergency open btn, in case of fire in a train, say, someone outside can open the doors at a station if the primary system isn’t working ?
current tubes have emergency buttons e.t.c. im sure the new ones shall have them too@@CasperLCat
I do have to say I really like these new trains. The only thing that makes me a bit sad is that they are replacing the rolling stock on four different lines which means that there will be at least less variety on the underground. But for normal commuters and travellers I really see a big improvement of comfort.
Hopefully it will make reliability better by making maintenance across fleets a bit easier
making all the trains the same has the benefit that it's easier and cheaper to keep them running because they all use the same parts. It's less interesting for train nerds, but for the those who keep the trains running it's a quality of life improvement kind of thing
i think they’re gonna replace piccadilly only for a while
@@choppership465 these will be on the Piccadilly for at least 30 years
Big improvement of comfort ? Are u mad ? Lol it’s literally no improvement besides maybe the air conditioner 😂
Not a train fanatic by any means but love Geoff’s enthusiasm, presentation and editing!! Awesome stuff!
In your life, interviewing a mayor can be a huge achievement. As always, love your train videos and I’d watch them anyday. You’ve really made it big as a train you tuber.
But interviewing a competent mayor, that's a bigger achievement
Been watching for years and so proud and happy of where you have taken the channel!
Thanks Jimmy, very kind! 👍
I watch this lots of times
I'm not from UK but I was in London in 2019, I really like trains, specially the underground trains, I'm happy to met the 72' and 73' tube stocks, old but I really enjoyed riding on them.
I love your content (I also using for improve my English haha, sorry if I made grammar mistakes)
Greetings from Spain!
i forgot the last time i been to london.
I think it was then the older C stocks were still running.
@@davidty2006 I would have liked meet the C and D stocks, I hope come to London this year and visit the London transport museum to see the old stocks 😄
@@IsmaelR94 The transport museum is amazing! Finally went for the first time last year as I had a few hours before a theatre show and loved it. Well worth it.
@@IlikeTrainsguy100 I have that visit pending from the last time, I was there only one week and I don't had enough time for plan a visit, but the next time I will go to the museum 100% sure! 😄
I also went to London in 2019!
My only critique is that the windows make me feel like I'm on a plane with how small they are, but overwise they're gonna be a wonderful addition to London's rail fleets.
I’m guessing that’s because there is a duct between each window to blow cold air out at head height to cool the commuters; the chiller units are under the seats.
Has the same thought
Agreed!
Tiny windows, thick door frames and no external ribbon glazing to give a sleeker appearance. A big dud 😒
@@eurouc it just doesn't look that modern and sleek. Appearances matter.
I think the door buttons are there in case TfL wants to use the feature that S stock uses, namely if no one passes through the doors after a certain period of time (especially at termini), the doors will close to save on heating and cooling costs but passengers can push the button to open them again. Thameslink does that in the core section as well, in that the doors open automatically but if the train is waiting, they'll close automatically if no one uses them after a certain period of time
Also used by staff to manually close and lock doors if they need to empty a train that needs to be taken out of service.
Extra necessary since there won’t be any way to reject heat into the tunnels from the air conditioning system, they’ll need to store it to release in the overground sections. Keeping more doors closed more often will reduce how much extra thermal mass they’ll need for said storage, plus of course secondary benefits such as reducing overloads on the thermal loop when the train gets stuck etc.
I really appreciate that the look of the trains is not too different from the old ones
The smirk on Geoff’s face as he thinks: yeah, I know all this mate!
However - when the Met line train is at the terminus at Watford they shut the doors and you need to press the button to open the doors to get on.
I must say, I am truly impressed with the aesthetics of the mock-ups. Very prestigious vibe to them.
I was quite underwhelmed with the Bombardier designs in contrast.
Although the TfL seat moquette design is a huge disappointment. The one by Siemens themselves looks way more neat and professional in my opinion.
Not good for tall people
@@kauskimkulima2171 the same applies to all deep level stock. Then again, have to sacrifice height in order to fit the trains through those relatively small tunnels. And if you manage to secure a seat, that won't be an issue in the first place.
Pressing the door button on the Circle/District line air conditioned trains, opens the doors if they have closed to maintain the temperature at a station, but not if they have closed because the train is departing.
4:50 the buttons are used to lock carriage doors on the S-stock now that the trains have no space between them for a button in the connector section.
Also the doors close if a train is sitting at a station (like Watford or Ealing Broadway) to help the Air Con.
Really needs it, looking foward to seeing ATO on the Piccadilly Line! It's going to increase capacity and it's going to be much more comfortable!
It will actually be less comfortable, and my bum will be very sore after sitting on that PLANK looking seat for half an hour.
But there will be air conditioning
There is no ATO coming to the Piccadilly
@@matthewsmith2787 I think these trains will have ATO option on them. But like other ATO lines it will still need a Driver in the cab to operate.
Because the drivers are crap or what?
I hear it's 9 car trains with 5 bogie and 4 hover carriages. Also we should really note that the new train's air-conditioning filters are going to clean the air of the entire tunnels! It'll be amazing 😍
I am dubious about the air conditioning, but we shall see.
The new trains look gorgeous! Hard to believe the Piccadilly trains are nigh on 50 years old, they look decades newer than the bakerloo trains that's for sure...
That’s the power of a good refurb, before the Piccadilly line trains were refurbished in the late 90s their interior was virtually identical to that of the Bakerloo’s, just with slightly more luggage space for Heathrow passengers
I'd imagine as the Picadilly line picks people up from Heathrow, TfL wanted the trains to be more presentable, to give a better impression of London
Sadly, the Bakerloo line tube stock have been neglected. They were meant to have been replaced after the Piccadilly line so no money had been planned to make them last longer but TfL finances have been hit hard by the pandemic any new trains for the Bakerloo line won't be coming anytime soon.
The ride shows its age though. They look newer because of there refurb that imitated the 95/6 tube stock at the time.
05:00 the buttons are for the Londoners to see who the tourists are!
Ah finally. Living on the piccadilly line has been getting boring waiting for these new trains. Cant wait to take them
Excellent report Geoff.
Don't get see much London news since we 200 miles north to Merseyside from south of the Thames.
Be interesting to see how the fit, finish, reliability and performance of these Siemens built trains compares with the Bombardier S7 & S8 stock. If it's been like most of their other trains like the SWT 444s and 450s, they'll work pretty well straight from the box.
Good to see this in Goole. It's always been a bleak location there between the levels and the humber, but the economic life of the place has dwindled for decades as the port declined.
Sounds like it received a proper kick in the Goolies.
My dad is from there, visited recently used to be really bad but somehow its gotten worse. I hope this helps
The new trains look really nice! I can't wait to see them in service!
I remember watching a documentary called ‘Going Underground’ where certain drivers had to go to EBay in order to source parts for trains and I was happy to see the updated Cab.
Reminds me of NASA buying old computers on ebay for spare parts as their systems were using 386 ers hardware.
It wasn't the drivers but Tube Lines (private infrastructure company which used to manage some deep level tube lines) had to "scour ebay for the bits needed to keep them going" ;)
@@dustojnikhummer NASA also has some Amigas! Though spare parts for both platforms are thankfully becoming more plentiful due to modern hobbyist versions, though I think NASA had replaced some of them by the time that was actuality!
All I can say is “At Last!” These trains will be a great welcome on the Piccadilly line as the current trains are way past their best. Even better they are made in the UK.
50% are made in Germany I believe
Had well Bakerloo and Central lines if they are added on those lines
00:07 that freaky "breathing" thing that the Piccadilly line moquettes do...
These trains are so beautiful compared to my soulless stainless steel trains of New York City. The tube trains have so much character and pop to them
Nah, I prefer the classic NYC trains, of course as long as they're not covered in graffiti like in the 1970s and 80s, which was truly disgusting, nothing to do with art whatsoever.
@@jeshkam You’re right the older trains were really unique but they’re all retired and almost the whole system of the new rolling stock is dull and almost indistinguishable from one another.
Yeah, the MTA‘s “Train of many Colours” is really almost sad, because it shows just how much nicer NYC Subway trains used to be painted. I’d love a modern variation of the light-blue and beige or red and beige to return!
Some of the oldest trains in the London Underground have had full-open gangways, plush seats, logical arrangements, and digital signs since the 90s while the newest trains in Toronto have only now caught up. And even then by far the TTC is one of the better systems in North America. We're clearly falling short
Out of all the places they could had put on their destination screen, they put Cockfosters! Lol great video Geoff and be interesting to see them on service in the future... NTFL could be one of those London Underground versions of a NFT lol
Well it is probably the most common destination for Piccadilly line trains
Siemen train to Cockfosters
@@Enviri 🤣
We need a sitcom about Geoff and Tom from the BBC's relationship hahaha. Tom always looks sick to see Geoff but I bet he admires him deep down.
Some great interviews Geoff! Brilliant to see where this channel is growing!
🥺🫂 you and sadiqs conversation is the most wholesome thing ever
Going to have to keep an eye on Tom's BBC London report to see if Geoff gets a cameo...
NO CHANCE
Lmao@@tomsedwards
I'm glad Tom said it went Star Trek-like. I'm glad I wasn't the only one.
Impressive I live in goole and I would have never thought if my 40 years living here that a big company like Siemens were coming here. Awesome video as always!
How wonderful and great for Pic. worker and users. Being a retired member of London Underground staff and working at Cockfosters I am delighted to see these improvements to the trains. It’s a win win situation. Love this video.
I suspect the reason for the door buttons is the same as on the Sub-Surface stock where all the doors will open as the train pulls into each station, but if there is a long wait at the platform, the doors automatically close after a period of time, so you would then have to push the button to enter the train.
Wow, what a facility! And my goodness those are handsome trains, and they look great in the TFL red white and blue 😎 I know he has his critics, but the Mayor had outlined precisely why this is such a great project all round. Why throw money abroad for a cheap deal and line the pockets of those who already have plenty when instead, you can invest in your own country and spread the wealth a bit? I love that this is benefitting people outside of London too 👍
It will be a shame to see those trains go, as I have been using them for 40 odd years. I remember how modern they looked as an 8 year old when o travelled on them for the first time, and how amazing they looked when they were refurbed, but all good things come to an end 🤷🏻♂️
One thing that made feel really old was when you talked about replacing the Central line and W&C stock. In my mind they are still ‘new’…but then that’s because in my unconscious mind, 1992 was only about fifteen years ago 😂
Cheers Geoff, great stuff fella 👍🍀🍻
I still remember the ‘new tube for London’ advert from TFL before they unlisted it. It’s nice to see the new futuristic trains become a reality in this video!
The buttons are most likely to keep the doors closed unless pressed like some overground trains I guess. Useful when it's cold outside and if you're air conditioning and no one needs to enter or exit from the door, then it will keep the carriage temperature as it is (either cool or warm) without letting the energy escape.
I’ll miss the older trains when they go but I guess all good things must come to an end!
Same here, the 1973 tube stock has been one of my favourite tube stocks. And you know, they didn't really feel all that old to me because of how well done the interior refurb they did in the 90's is. :)
@@ReubenAshwell exactly - at the moment, in the train World Cup on my community page it’s the Bakerloo stick winning - proof people like these older trains!
@@Adam45695 I have a train World Cup poll on my channel and the older stock is winning hands down over newer underground trains which I think shows the affection people hold for them
They look very similar to the new underground trains that Glasgow got. Great to see investment in manufacturing coming back to the UK!
Absolutely brilliant video interviewing someone from BBC and the Mayor of London, doesn’t get any better then that! I did however find it rather funny when you asked the Mayor when will Crossrail be opening! Lol 😂
Best interview I have ever seen of Seimen’s Will Wilson- he is a very charismatic leader …. takes Interviewer skills to capture that aspect- Great Show
To be fair the "nearly as old as me" joke was pretty hilarious
1:36 that dirt mound on the left is erm... flattering 😳
Brilliant vid thanks Geoff.
And wow, you survived the Mayor's extreme politician hand jiving at 9:00 - think you should have had PPE goggles - that could've taken an eye out.
I can think of several reasons for keeping the buttons on doors:
- allows them to be opened manually if required, e.g. automatic opening fails or doors have shut when a train is in the station a while
- the lights and beeps that accompany them give feedback to customers about the status of the door (sometimes the train may have stopped but the doors haven't unlocked yet or perhaps the doors are about to shut so they do the quick flashing/beeping to warn you)
- improves resellability of the trains: if in a few decades TFL want to sell the trains on to somewhere else, that place may want/need manual door opening and it's surely better to not have to try to retrofit them
Yes and when a train is held (at least on s stock) the doors close
Dont see how the button would do anything if there was an opening fail.
Anyway, Geoff's point was that the button would as useless as the current ones if they continue to not be be functioned to control the doors.
Of course this may not be the case with the new trains with the temperature control.
The light indication is nothing to do with actual botton.
I agree with potential resale/resuse point, even if the button wont be functional for the tube.
No one is going to buy an old tube train, unless you are vivarail but theyre gone now
Seems like everything has a "Star Trek feel now" First the Lumo uniforms, now these trains.
'futuristic' rubbish that will be outdated by the time it's made. They won't be getting 50 years of service out of these new trains. Everyone is quick to same they've been long overdue for replacing, but guess what isn't pumped out from stuff being in service for that long, pollution from manufacturing and scrapping, where the vast majority of 'emissions', etc that we're all supposed to be concerned about comes from.
The main issue is, the new Tube trains are bring made in Yorkshire, but West Yorkshire still doesn't have a mass public transport system :( living out my dream through London Tube videos until I hopefully come there for uni next year!
West Yorkshire has West Yorkshire Metro, with Siemens Class 333 trains similar to the Class 332 used by Heathrow Express. ✅
They have Electrified Suburban lines, whereas South Yorkshire doesn’t even have an Electrified Midland Mainline to Sheffield!🥺
Sheffield does have the Supertrams, but try taking a Diesel Pacer train from Retford to Sheffield in February, or from Sheffield to Manchester through the Hope Valley! 🥶
Leeds is promised a Tram network to compensate for the cancellation of the HS2 Eastern Branch. ☺️
Sheffield will finally get an Electrified Midland Mainline too, so Leeds could have a second Electrified route to London alongside the ECML. 🥳
Maybe they can have the old Piccadilly Line trains in West Yorkshire when the new ones go into service? 🙂
@@tobygranshaw3359 I hope so, it's getting around the city/area e.g. Leeds, Bradford, Wakefield, Huddersfield that's the issue, really does need a mass transit system, probably similar to the supertrams.
I do prefer the original moquette - it has a nice sense of speed and direction.
If you mean the current moquette - Yes it's more geometric and tasteful.
If you mean the first seen above - I agree it was streamlined and modern.
Unfortunately and surprisingly the proposed pattern has so such qualities.
Two WOW moments -- seeing Geoff interview the Mayor, and air con on the new stock.
Great interview with the Major very professional 👍
Good to see you Geoff - im a Londoner living LA.I miss the tube....the angel and embankment my old haunts. Cheers
Door buttons Geoff - if the trains have air-con they are going to automatically close doors after a set period, even if the train is not yet ready to set off. Also if the button is pressed while the door it open it locks the door open for accessibility. I'm sure I learned this from one of your other videos :)
You should see the underground in Berlin. They have modern tubes too like the one in this Vid.
Berlin is in my bucket list one day.
So excited to see these coming into service. I'm always worried by the way the Piccadilly train doors seem to open before the train has fully stopped! Oh, and yes, do a boats video (please try to get them to extend the operating hours of the RB6)
Piccadilly is my tube line and I’m so very fond of the old cars. I’ll be quite sad to see them go, I had no idea they were so old!
I was surprised when you said that the new Tube trains were going to be built in their own factory. I almost thought they were going to be assembled at the standard Krefeld, Germany or Vienna, Austria plants. I'm already excited to see the first of these trains undergo testing even if we are just at the mockup stage. :)
I believe half are built in Germany
Im really glad as a german to hear that the new london trains are from a german company. the fact that they are build in gb is really nice.
So nice that they will be built in the U.K.! Def time we made more products, and create more jobs. Last time I rode on the Piccadilly was 2018 and I was shocked how old the stock is! I swear the train doors said 1968 metro cammel!
Half are built in Germany I believe.
I think the door buttons are for conserving energy in summer, so you don't let more cold refreshed air out than necessary. :)
Great look at at new Piccadilly trains. Moving up to the big time with the mayor. Lovely to see space for wheelchair, but could not see any space for luggage. This would mean the wheelchair space would just fill up with luggage when coming or going from Heathrow which would be even more difficult to move than people. Perhaps the assumption is that everyone with luggage will be using Elizabeth line to travel from Heathrow by then.
Luggage goes in the drivers cab!
Fun fact: The new trains have open buttons because they will have auto-closing doors to make the A/C work better.
On the subsurface lines, the doors auto-close at termini and also at long stops. At all other stops, the driver locks the doors before the auto-close can close the doors.
The doors should also be opened on demand to keep the A/C working well.
I predict problems with luggage blocking doors, and rolling onto the platform at Hounslow East…
Those wheelchair spaces will be filled with suitcases by Heathrow passengers…
At least the 1973 stock had dedicated luggage bays next to the double doors, with perch seats for peak use.
I’ve noticed newer trains do away with extra luggage bays as they were meant to be wheelchair spaces and on average not too many wheelchairs use the train
I imagine the buttons are for the stations of the Piccadilly line that are outside. So the temperature controlled interior can be maintained and only specific doors can be opened opposed to venting the heat out of the entire train.
The mock up looks really impressive. Cool and slick design. As I use the Piccadilly Line at times the 73 Stock maybe old but still modern compared to the elderly but nostalgic 72 Stock trains on the Bakerloo Line. As a stop-gap for a few years until the real new trains arrive redundant 73 Stock units could be transferred to the Bakerloo Line and allow the withdrawal of the 72 Stock.
Unlikely to happen because of the Bakerloo's curvature, apparently 🤔
Cannot be done. The Piccadilly Line cars are longer and the Bakerloo line has a lot of curves.
@@mjcats2011 How will they get through the tortuous curves at South Kensington when the wheels squeal?
@@fetchstixRHD But the Mayor clearly stated that NTFL will also be supplied to the Bakerloo & Central Lines.
Bakerloo has tight curves at Paddington & Piccadilly Circus, but so does Bank on the Central or South Kensington on the Piccadilly…
@@tobygranshaw3359: I’m not particularly technically informed enough to explain the exact issue with the Bakerloo, only quoting what I’ve seen stated elsewhere (though the clarification was about reverse curves).
I will make note that:
a) without diagrams of the lines, it’s hard to comment on how “tight” curves really are,
b) the 67ts (almost similar to 72ts) had no problem fitting in the Piccadilly line tunnels when they needed to get from the Victoria line to Acton, and the NTFL is probably designed around the most restrictive of the deep Tube lines. After all, the 6 car 73ts sets are being replaced with 9 car NTFL sets, which should show how much more flexible the new sets are.
The Major knows a lot about the Tube, I'm impressed.
0:06... Was that seat breathing or is it just me?
The new Piccadilly line trains look REALLY nice. It'll be very interesting to see what walk-through carriages will be like while going through the tight tunnels (I know District, Circle and H&C all go underground, but the tunnels aren't as small)
Yes, bizarre shot... please explain, Geoff!
Air conditioned seats? Surely not...
@@MagicalTrevor3 It happens sometimes definitely not unusual on Piccadilly, think its just airflow trapped underneath
As another comment mentioned, I think it's to do with the air pressure experienced on the tube as the tunnel changes depth.
The new tube trains will be alive and well, now with breathable seats to keep your ass sweat in check.
Because the new moquette is called Holden, these are the following:
Arnos Grove
Bounds Green
Wood Green
Turnpike Lane
Manor House
Either one of these stations are also featured
2:45 . It's a mirror Geoff!!
never seen someone so excited about a basic tube upgrade
Basic?
Side note: i love the new like button animation. Gorgeous video
Great to see the new tube made in Yorkshire. The underground is looking like the overground trains with walk through carriages and push button to open the doors.
4:05 my sheer disappointment when I find out the seat design in the video isn’t gonna make it to production. The design is so simplistic and minimalistic, what a shame 😔
despite being simplistic, its been like a logos that went oversimplified, luck they never used that
The final one represents the station that the new trains would serve
Will Wilson seems like a wonderful bloke! Very enthusiastic 👍🏻
Another great video, Geoff! Thank you!
You have to press the door buttons on s stock Geoff as at terminus stations they close after about 15 seconds
45 seconds, not 15
Yeah but they still open automatically at every station
@@jacon454 In other words, there's a chance the doors would behave just like the S Stock when these trains roll out
You still press the buttons to open the doors on Hammersmith and District line trains.
This design is fantastic! Ever since I saw the animated concept video many years ago I was fascinated by it. I‘m really glad it‘s been kept largely the same since then.
The integration of the modern front-end and a clearly very classic body design works really well. The square windows are a straight throwback to the 1938-1962 stock trains, a neat touch. This is retro and modern design combined properly!
The windows look smaller, more like an aircraft to me, claustraphobic.
@@alanr585 This is for the air con ducts which blow cold air from below to vents in the roof of train.
I know why they have buttons. Because if they behave like sub-surface S Stock trains, the doors will close after a while to keep the cold out if held at a station, and thus folk arriving while the tube is still at a platform - or indeed folk who decide to get off and walk - can come along and open the doors again.
Definitely a welcome upgrade for the Piccadilly and Bakerloo lines! Personally I really hope they keep the current 1996 stock trains for the Jubilee line for as long as possible, because I love the way they sound. The only thing that I don't like about them that this new train has is the walk-through feature like you get with S stock trains.
@@cmmartti it feels too exposed and it’s awkward when you spot someone staring at you from the other end of the train.
@@cmmartti Thats not what I meant. I'm basically saying the one feature I wish the 1996 stock trains had was the walkthrough feature that this new Piccadilly line and the S stock trains have.
I wouldn't be surprised if the 1996 Stock would be the last to be replaced by the NTfL. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they are still around in the Late 2030s.
@@MrSmith1984 Hopefully you are right 🤞
@@cmmartti No problem I understand how you interpreted that. I was pretty drunk when I wrote that initial comment. I'll proofread next time to avoid any misunderstandings.
Just a small correction - the trains will be 9 cars not 6. They will be 6 metres longer as well so at most stations the drivers cab will be in the tunnel when berthed
Thanks Alan! Yes this one slipped me by - I’ve added a correction to the description. Literally NO ONE mentioned this the whole day we were there and I am now fascinated to learn this. Thank you!! 👍👍
You said they were going to build half of the trains but you didn't say whether it was the top half or the bottom half.
He made a video just as I was wondering when he would talk about the new trains for the Picadilly line.
One of my favourite features of the current District Line trains is the space under the seats where you can stow your bag. These help keep the aisle clear and you can use your legs to stop someone nicking them. Sadly this doesn't seem to be a feature of the new Piccadilly trains 😢
These trains have very limited space, so will need that space to put equipment needed for the train to function.
In addition to this, these trains are to have AC units, these will also need space and ducts within the design.
Maybe one of the reasons they were able to add AC to the design is with newer, improved technological advancement, which happens over time, the other equipment needed can be smaller, making room for this additional hardware needed.
With the district line they are still low floor (compared to mainline trains) but have bigger space under the train compared to deep tube trains.
I have used the tube system for over fifty years and nobody has ever even attempted to nick my legs.
@digga dot I have a large (60 litre) bag I use for long trips. It is far too big and heavy to put on the lap of any sensible person, but fits just fine under the seat.
@digga dot Only and idiot, like somebody who carries 60l of gear to the gym(!!!), wouldn't recognise that keeping bags out of the way is clearly preferable, even if other methods are possible. BTW I need to carry this luggage on the tube to Kings Cross once a month or so since the LNER trains to Edinburgh don't stop in SW London.
It's nice when they close the doors when you're in wind/rain and passengers can still open them with the button if the train is there early.
Those small windows make it look and feel much more claustrophobic. Hope the old Bakerloo trains survive for as long as possible though.
Can’t swing a cat in it
The Bakerloo line should get these new trains first, it baffles me how these trains keep going, i travel on them back in the 80's
I hope that after the old trains are taken out of service, TfL (maybe through the London Transport Museum) will sell bits and pieces of the trains as souvenirs. I will definitely purchase one of these.
These Piccadilly trains in particular have a lot of sentimental value to me. When I first came to London as a teenager from Germany, I stayed with a family who lived closest to Arnos Grove station. I fell in love with London in general and with the Tube in particular right there and then. Now I live in the U.S. and regularly fly to LHR on business. My hotel of choice is near Hounslow Central station. Piccadilly Line again! If I need to transfer between Terminals 2/3 and 5, and I have the time, I take the Tube just so I can briefly ride on it. Using my Oyster Card, of course.
They already do sell these bits
Great video, love the passion. I think the question we all want to know is if they are going to reduce the journey time? If they can move faster without producing more heat that would be a great improvement
So happy to see Geoff interviewing the mayor of London, how cool.
4:14 “This is the final moquette”
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As an S Stock driver I would suggest that the door buttons are there for the driver to be able to close the doors when detraining passengers one carriage at a time, and the doors will also likely automatically close after a period of time (45 seconds on S Stock) and passengers could open the doors using the buttons when a train is laying over at a terminus.
Great video Geoff. Thanks for letting us see the new NTFL. Love the new moquette. And will look forward to the aircon! However the thing that stood out for me above all else was the small size of the windows. I've got to say that, whilst overall the design of the new train is really neat, I really don't like the small size of the new windows. Makes it look a bit 'old-fashioned', like the former stock on 'The Drain'! But hey, a nice shiny new Tube train at last.
I think I preferred the flush side windows of the artists impressions that have been around for a long time.
One thing occurs to me; with the introduction of these through-carriages, should another 7/7 attack ever happen, there is nothing to stop a blast from propogating through a greater amount of the train. At least with separate carriages, there is some form of blast protection between.
Don't get me wrong, I like the openness of the new trains - especially on the overground - but I wonder if this has been considered?
I don't like them either. Three years ago I was on a through train when a minor riot kicked off between two groups of drunken idiots. Because of the layout, nearly all the passengers were effected as the trouble spread quickly along most of the train. With traditional carriages it would have been restricted to one carriage. These through trains will be fine right up until there is a really serious incident of some kind and then their layout without bulkheads will be brought into question.
@@Pesmog I prefer the open layout, because on the S7/S8 or Thameslink it’s easy to walk down several carriages to get away from the idiots. ✅
Whereas on a current Tube train you’re trapped until the next station, especially between Hammersmith & Acton Town. 🥺
Plus you may have to wait 10 or 20 minutes for a T5 or Uxbridge train, which can make you late for work. 😳
As for terrorism, the injuries at Russel Square were worse than on the Subsurface trains because the blast was contained in the carriage in a tight tube tunnel. 😥
@@PesmogBeing trapped in one carriage with people like that is much much worse, at least in an open train you can walk away
The mock upholstery is miles nicer than the definite one.
Excellent video Geoff, I'm really looking forward to these thrilling new trains coming to a place near me in three years and although the old interior layout choice was quite good with maroon poles, the new interior which is very equivalent to the livery of the 1973 Stock is more fitting, as it contains blue poles that rightly matches the colour of the line itself. Here's to hoping that Bakerloo Line will be next in production to receive these new kit
Bakerloo trains will be staying till the late 30s or early 40s
I'm so not into trains however, this chap is entertaining and informative.
I do like this mock-up, looks fantastic. One small issue though: the inter-seat arm rests. I do not believe they were put there for comfort, I believe they were most likely put there to stop people from lying across the benches. That looks like aggressive design to me.
Another very interesting London Transport video from Geoff. His enthusiasm is catching.