My biggest takeaway from eu vs na is that eu takes opportunities with no "superstar" players way more than they do in na. Eu molds their players into the greatest, while na only picks up the "greatest"
Crazy to talk about NA mentality of ego>results because it’s like that in almost every esport I have ever seen. League and RL. NA is a subpar region because it’s not about the team. It’s about their own performance. It’s a “I can’t be the reason we lose” style of play.
That would be great actually, a bit of insider perspective to talk about the current status of some of the mena teams just outside the top 2 (falcons and rule one) that look like they're having a bigger impact at times, how the R1/falcons battle is evolving, major scenarios etc
Agreed. The only thing I ever want to hear about scrims is if they met in person and got into a shouting match or something super weird and usual like that.
Na just needs a Zen or a Old Bds so everyone has a new level to strive towards. Eu is consistently getting new teams and players that are elevating their region’s level. Zen is forcing his region to play better to prove they are better than him.
johnny: vatira doesn't give a f about what people think about him *vatira getting giga triggered when anyone anywhere says he doesn't consider vatira top1 in one particular aspect of the game*
It's true tho. I am an NA enthusiast, but even I can see how much better EU was than NA this Open. And even Johnny was being a bit gracious with Zen vs Daniel. To me Zen is just so much better than nearly everyone. He's the only player that every single time he touches the ball you EXPECT something special to happen. With other players you know there is a possibility something could happen, but Zen is just different.
I'm also an NA fan and feel like anyone in top 4 EU would've beaten any team in NA this past regional. NA played sloppy and EU looked so fast and clean.
Nope. Not controversial at all. I'm an NA fan, and every NA fan I know can see the obvious difference in talent and game play. EU is ridiculously better.
@@justinwilliams2381 Exactly. People have got to realize that Gen G are consistently getting top 2 in NA, but can you look at the EU regional we just had and confidently say Gen G would make top 2? No way. They might, but it'd be far harder and they wouldn't be able to do it every regional like they do in NA. It's never gonna happen but i'd love to see Firstkiller move over and join an EU team just to see what it's like.
@@92Carnage I completely agree. As far as FK, my guess is he's teaming with Bmo and Dan next season whether C9 or Faze buy out the players or some other way.
Rizzo saw a moist player hit some type of ceiling shot and then said “I never seen someone from na hit that” when first and chronic had hit that exact same shot in majors or regional😭
It’s scary how the community just overlooks Alpha and how he was the best Vitality player by a mile. Because zen has the hype and they won they automatically look at him and say yeah he’s the best. In reality Zen had a quiet major when comparing it to the hype he’s had. He had good moments but i just wish people credited Alpha more.
It was all three players - Radosin was absolutely integral too. I think people underappreciate Zen's defense though, it may not catch attention like all of the raw mechanics, but it's a big part of why they were so strong
All three were absolutely cooking with Alpha and Radosin being consistent offense/defense. Zen was pretty good at defense and facilatating, he also had some pop off offense like when he had a hat trick. Ferra had one of the best interviews in a while and explained why Vitality was a complete team. Zen not only scored goals but actually worked extremely well with his team. The finals against Liquid Zen had some massive saves.
Ummmm PSG is a sponsor not sole owner, they also have stakes in LGD Gaming in Dota 2. Just like OG and redbull. This is not a merge. Tundra is still the organization.
also, the EU vs NA debate... y'all do know you have like triple the population of NA and likely as high or higher players per capita right? certainly have the ingredients to be a stronger region
France on it's own has more worlds wins than the USA. I think you are right though there are more players in Europe but I dont think that population is the reason given Europe doesn't even have 2 times the population of the whole of North America. Just that the game is bigger in Europe. Like CS.
While it is true than EU has twice the population of NA, this needs to be nuanced. The most populated country in Europe is officially Russia, which does not play RL at all. Truth is, Europe RL scene is like 50% France, and the rest is for the most part England, Spain, Netherlands and Germany. So the part of the european population that ever produced pro player is really similar to NA actually. I agree with you tho Eu>na doesn't mean anything. The truth is France > na
The reason that NA is worse, is because its drilled into our brains that winning isnt everything and we'll get trophies just for participating instead of to be the best and to win 😂😂😂😂🤣
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I still can't believe these two aren't teaming anymore. I just want all the boys back together Sadge
RISE, JOYO, VATIRA!!! Anyone else miss that squad??
My biggest takeaway from eu vs na is that eu takes opportunities with no "superstar" players way more than they do in na. Eu molds their players into the greatest, while na only picks up the "greatest"
Actually good take
We need more of Joyo
These 2 are such great guests, I wish the episode was twice as long
Gotta love Johnny encouraging children to instigate and cause drama lol, seriously though I’m here for it
I used to dislike Johnny for that. Then I realized how unbelievably annoying the average RL fan is, and I was suddenly on his side.
@@None-lx8kj exactly lol, I wouldn’t stir the pot if we weren’t in a big stew of idiots
yeah making money off teenagers public drama is not cool tbh
@@utm0sthe’s not making money off it tho.
@@utm0st morally, I agree, but that doesn't mean it also can't be funny lol
I think it works really well when the guest pros are friends with each other like this. Great banter throughout
they gotta get scrub on the podcast
EU is genuinely so terrifying bro 😭
Well it is Car "Soccer"
@@dichaelovic not for much longer.
majicbear was a 1s god a couple years back as well. early covid season he was 2nd NA only to firstkiller and nobody's seemed to care lol
Banger episode. Rise/Joyo duo is just the best!
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Rise is so fucking funny
He has become my favorite rl pro after the last 2 podcast episodes
Banger episode. Love how Rise was just derailing the show at the end
this episode was funny as fujck
great squad, loved it!
Want more patreons ?? get in game with them organize tournaments and stuff..! hype guaranteed !
Best one yet.
Why does Joyo have literally the most broken laugh of all time?
Crazy to talk about NA mentality of ego>results because it’s like that in almost every esport I have ever seen. League and RL. NA is a subpar region because it’s not about the team. It’s about their own performance. It’s a “I can’t be the reason we lose” style of play.
Feed the Bear!
these kids are more eloquent when they explain their pov than most "adults"'
I need senzo in this please
That would be great actually, a bit of insider perspective to talk about the current status of some of the mena teams just outside the top 2 (falcons and rule one) that look like they're having a bigger impact at times, how the R1/falcons battle is evolving, major scenarios etc
I could go the rest of my life without hearing about pros "trolling scrims". That topic is a yawn fest.
I think we said all there is to say about it didnt we
Agreed. The only thing I ever want to hear about scrims is if they met in person and got into a shouting match or something super weird and usual like that.
What was Kash tweet at Aztral?
Aztral tweeted a gift of a random guy sitting on the bench, then said happy we made top 6. Kash responded and said "you're welcome "
@@majesticmo5048 not random guy. That's supposed to be Pablo Escobar. It's a scene from the show Narcos
Na just needs a Zen or a Old Bds so everyone has a new level to strive towards. Eu is consistently getting new teams and players that are elevating their region’s level. Zen is forcing his region to play better to prove they are better than him.
i admit to being an NA fanboy but I think Joyo is my fav player in the game on and of the pitch
How do we make this podcast happen more frequently?
It’s a weekly update type of podcast so I don’t think there is a way to make it happen more frequently
Remove 1 day out of the week without anybody noticing
rise just says anything lmao
johnny: vatira doesn't give a f about what people think about him
*vatira getting giga triggered when anyone anywhere says he doesn't consider vatira top1 in one particular aspect of the game*
I have a feeling this episode is going to be controversial with NA fans 😂
It's true tho. I am an NA enthusiast, but even I can see how much better EU was than NA this Open. And even Johnny was being a bit gracious with Zen vs Daniel. To me Zen is just so much better than nearly everyone. He's the only player that every single time he touches the ball you EXPECT something special to happen. With other players you know there is a possibility something could happen, but Zen is just different.
I'm also an NA fan and feel like anyone in top 4 EU would've beaten any team in NA this past regional. NA played sloppy and EU looked so fast and clean.
Nope. Not controversial at all. I'm an NA fan, and every NA fan I know can see the obvious difference in talent and game play. EU is ridiculously better.
@@justinwilliams2381 Exactly. People have got to realize that Gen G are consistently getting top 2 in NA, but can you look at the EU regional we just had and confidently say Gen G would make top 2? No way. They might, but it'd be far harder and they wouldn't be able to do it every regional like they do in NA.
It's never gonna happen but i'd love to see Firstkiller move over and join an EU team just to see what it's like.
@@92Carnage I completely agree.
As far as FK, my guess is he's teaming with Bmo and Dan next season whether C9 or Faze buy out the players or some other way.
Rizzo saw a moist player hit some type of ceiling shot and then said “I never seen someone from na hit that” when first and chronic had hit that exact same shot in majors or regional😭
Get scrub on the pod
wish the format was a little more flexible, always seem to cut of good convo to end the podcast, seems like the hosts are always in a rush to end
I always thought they were brothers lmao as if they’re not related
It’s scary how the community just overlooks Alpha and how he was the best Vitality player by a mile. Because zen has the hype and they won they automatically look at him and say yeah he’s the best. In reality Zen had a quiet major when comparing it to the hype he’s had. He had good moments but i just wish people credited Alpha more.
It was all three players - Radosin was absolutely integral too. I think people underappreciate Zen's defense though, it may not catch attention like all of the raw mechanics, but it's a big part of why they were so strong
Bro Zen is by the far the best on that team lmao
Zen looked fantastic in the regional and winning his first major is huge.
All three were absolutely cooking with Alpha and Radosin being consistent offense/defense. Zen was pretty good at defense and facilatating, he also had some pop off offense like when he had a hat trick. Ferra had one of the best interviews in a while and explained why Vitality was a complete team. Zen not only scored goals but actually worked extremely well with his team. The finals against Liquid Zen had some massive saves.
@@brianbruno1786you should learn how to read cause he never said alpha was the best on that team he said he played the best this regional
Hogan praise and Daniel burn didn't age well :D Good show though...👍
Ummmm PSG is a sponsor not sole owner, they also have stakes in LGD Gaming in Dota 2. Just like OG and redbull. This is not a merge. Tundra is still the organization.
So...as said in the video, it’s more just covering a lot of the costs of things while letting tundra do their thing but have the PSG name included.
Faze missed the major @rise
SO GOOF
also, the EU vs NA debate... y'all do know you have like triple the population of NA and likely as high or higher players per capita right? certainly have the ingredients to be a stronger region
Cope
Cope
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France on it's own has more worlds wins than the USA. I think you are right though there are more players in Europe but I dont think that population is the reason given Europe doesn't even have 2 times the population of the whole of North America. Just that the game is bigger in Europe. Like CS.
While it is true than EU has twice the population of NA, this needs to be nuanced. The most populated country in Europe is officially Russia, which does not play RL at all. Truth is, Europe RL scene is like 50% France, and the rest is for the most part England, Spain, Netherlands and Germany.
So the part of the european population that ever produced pro player is really similar to NA actually.
I agree with you tho Eu>na doesn't mean anything. The truth is France > na
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EU is not better than NA just scored some fancy goals we'll see at the major🤐
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Kringe Corp is Officially the Blue Fall now
Lmao
1:15:17 their underpants are shaking
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Just another reminder that this esport is mostly children acting like children, but making way too much money
Thanks champ
The reason that NA is worse, is because its drilled into our brains that winning isnt everything and we'll get trophies just for participating instead of to be the best and to win 😂😂😂😂🤣
We do still need to back it up at the major because NA still technically has 7 spots.
Oh my god Johnny it’s not always about you and your opinions Jesus
look forward to this podcast every week, so that in itself tells me i should be supporting on the patreon. doin it rn🫡