When YHWH appropriated Baal’s praise

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  • Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024

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  • @AMoniqueOcampo
    @AMoniqueOcampo Год назад +59

    Adonai's ancient followers: "Hippity, hoppity, Baal's stuff's now our property!"

  • @MythVisionPodcast
    @MythVisionPodcast Год назад +40

    I love this stuff ❤

  • @NotNecessarily-ip4vc
    @NotNecessarily-ip4vc Год назад +8

    *He Who Rides On The Clouds 🌥:*
    Baal is a western Semitic title that means Master or Lord. While it can actually refer to a large number of different deities, Baal in this case refers to *Hadad,* the Canaanite and Syrian god of rain, fertility, life, agriculture and thunder, particularly popular in *Ugarit and Aleppo.*
    He was worshipped in many ancient Middle Eastern communities, who considered him one of the most important gods in their respective local pantheons.
    He was at least in part derived from the Sumerian god Ishkur, but their character differed substantially; while Ishkur represented the destructive power of storms, the western Semitic Baal was the master of *life-giving rains vital for farmers.*
    Thanks to his huge influence, Baal was designated as the universal god of fertility, and in that capacity his title was Prince, Lord of the Earth.
    He was also called the Lord of Rain and Dew, the two forms of moisture that were indispensable for fertile soil in Canaan In Ugaritic and Hebrew, Baal's epithet as the storm god was *He Who Rides on the Clouds.*
    In the Baal (Lord) Cycle he's frequently called "Aliyan Baal" or "Baal, the victorious." In Phoenicia, he was called Baal Shamen, Lord of the Heavens.
    In Syria, hail was seen as a phenomenon closely related to him.
    He was also the king of the gods, and, to achieve that position, he was portrayed as seizing the divine kingship from *Yam (or Yaw "YHW"), the sea god, described as a tyrannical ruler.*
    Baal was probably also regarded as the *source of royal authority for human kings*, and myths and prayers depict him as an *ally and protector of humans.*
    In his main myth, the so-called Baal Cycle, Baal was locked in mortal combat with Mot, the personification of death and sterility.
    If Baal triumphed, humanity would thrive; but, if he were to be vanquished by Mot, humans would suffer and their crops would wither away.
    While the myths present a decisive conclusion to the conflict, some scholars assume it was believed to repeat in cycles.
    Like many deities of the ancient Near East, Hadad was always represented in a horned headdress.
    In art, he's often shown holding a club and thunderbolt or two clubs. While Mesopotamian depictions of the storm god and the famous Baal stele depict him as a typical bearded Near Eastern god, many Canaanite depictions are instead more similar to Egyptian warrior gods and beardless.
    Baal was also frequently associated with bulls. The bull was a widespread symbol of divinity in ancient Mesopotamia and areas infuenced by it.
    Other storm gods from cultures closely related to that of ancient Canaan, like Hurrian Teshub and Hittite Tarhunna, were depicted very similarly to Baal in art, and their myths shared many similarities as well.
    The Egyptian god Set in his generally positive aspect as a god of foreigners was also associated with Baal, taking his role in the Egyptian adaptation of the Yam (Yaw) narrative.
    Baal is usually associated with the goddesses Ashtart (commonly called "the Face of Baal," indicating particularly close bond between these two deities), a western Semitic equivalent of Ishtar, and Anat, both of who are often interpreted as his consorts. Anat is also called Baal's sister, though it's unclear if they share the exact same parents, as in Ugaritic texts Baal calls two separate gods, El (the husband of Asherah) and Dagan, his fathers.
    Whether the two fathers were one and the same or if one of these was simply a courtesy title indicating superior status is a matter of scholarly debate, though cultic rather than mythical texts regard Dagan as separate from El.
    The name Baal, or Ba'al, is used as a substitute of Hadad in some ancient texts and in common modern usage. This is possibly derived from the fact that in ancient Canaan only priests were allowed to utter the divine name, in much the same way as in Judaism where only priests were allowed to utter the name of God, so common people simply referred to him as Baal.
    It's also possible the title was eventually deemed to be integral to Hadad's cult it functionally became his main name.
    The word ba'al and its plural form were also used in the Hebrew Bible to refer to cult images, and in this context they were regarded as false gods. *Because of this, several demons were derived from Baal, including Bael and Beelzebub.*
    Many of the most famous biblical references to Baal, for example the tale of *Jezebel, are related to the traditions of the cities of Sidon and Tyre,* where the title of Baal was applied to *deities other than Hadad.*
    (Neither Elijah nor Jezebel were good for Israel 🇮🇱 in this story)

    • @Fractal369
      @Fractal369 8 месяцев назад

      Thanks for sharing. it helps put better context and expands on the info Dan shared.
      The wikipedia page for "yahwism" also help show Dan is not sharing full context of the relationship of YHVH and Baal though is just sharing enough info to make his title of video relevant.

  • @theoutspokenhumanist
    @theoutspokenhumanist Год назад +19

    This would fit well with how worship of Ba'al was specifically condemned, whereas the other gods that the Israelites must have encountered were not singled out.

    • @kiwihans100
      @kiwihans100 Год назад

      Not sure your statement is correct! Wasnt the ten plagues on Eygpt a blow to each of their gods?

    • @SatanFollower1
      @SatanFollower1 Год назад

      @@kiwihans100u missed his point

    • @juanausensi499
      @juanausensi499 Год назад

      @@kiwihans100 There is no reference about that in the text.

    • @kiwihans100
      @kiwihans100 Год назад +1

      @@juanausensi499 True but if you examine each of the plagues, they involved what the egyptians believed to be god's. For eample the plague of FROGS; In ancient Egyptian religion and mythology, Heqet (also spelled Heqtit or Hekt) was a frog-headed goddess who personified generation, birth, and fertility. Heqet was sometimes depicted with the body of a frog, and frog amulets were common in ancient Egypt as charms for fertility.

    • @theoutspokenhumanist
      @theoutspokenhumanist Год назад +2

      @@kiwihans100 That is certainly a view held by some, although the text of Exodus is not clear on it.
      However, even if true, it does not invalidate my comment regarding Ba'al being singled out for condemnation.
      The plagues, whether attacking gods or just men, were used for the specific purpose of freeing the Israelites. There was no condemnation of those gods, either as a group or by name. Indeed, attacking their Egyptian adherents, may be seen as validating the gods by recognising them as requiring opposition. But again, there is no condemnation of individual gods, only the broad requitement for the Israelites to abjure all other gods but YHWH.

  • @scambammer6102
    @scambammer6102 Год назад +11

    always copyright your original work folks

  • @josefpollard6271
    @josefpollard6271 Месяц назад

    Pilates idea? Very interesting. It takes everything at our disposal to create such a work. And the brushing of many leaves to understand it. Obviously slipped in. To what purpose? Testimony of Litan; a central figure?...... fantastic work! I appreciate you sir!

    • @josefpollard6271
      @josefpollard6271 Месяц назад

      Getting down to the brass tacks . Enter Lilith her capture and progeny.......

  • @PrometheanRising
    @PrometheanRising Год назад +4

    It's "Take Me Out To The Ballgame", ancient near-eastern style.

    • @PrometheanRising
      @PrometheanRising Год назад +1

      Not to be confused with singing the song after/at the end of Shabbat.

  • @FloridaClay
    @FloridaClay Год назад +1

    Fascinating.

  • @greymatter77
    @greymatter77 Год назад +2

    This video was red hot, like a chili pepper!

  • @jhake67
    @jhake67 23 дня назад

    nothing exists in a vacuum... even gods!

  • @QuinnPrice
    @QuinnPrice Год назад +6

    Silly Baal, praise is for Adonai.

    • @marionfowler4270
      @marionfowler4270 Год назад +1

      Baal got sacked.

    • @UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana
      @UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana Год назад

      They seem like the same things with different names.
      Mal 1:11
      But my name is honored[fn] by people of other nations from morning till night. All around the world they offer[fn] sweet incense and pure offerings in honor of my name. For my name is great among the nations,” says the LORD of Heaven’s Armies.

  • @NotNecessarily-ip4vc
    @NotNecessarily-ip4vc Год назад

    "From your throne of kingship you shall be driven, from the seat of your dominion cast out! On your head be Ayamari (Driver) O Yam, Between your shoulders Yagarish (Chaser), O Judge Nahar
    May Horon split open, O Yam, may Horon smash your head,´Athtart-Name-of-the-Lord thy skull!
    After a great war in heaven involving many of the gods, Yam is soundly defeated:
    And the weapon springs from the hand of Baal,
    Like a raptor from between his fingers.
    It strikes the skull of Prince Yam, between the eyes of Judge Nahar.
    Yahm collapses, he falls to the earth;
    His joints quiver, and his spine shakes.
    Thereupon Baal drags out Yam and would rend him to pieces;
    he would make an end of Judge Nahar.

  • @lde-m8688
    @lde-m8688 Год назад

    If you can't beat 'em, join 'em?

  • @pansepot1490
    @pansepot1490 Год назад

    What’s the historical context?
    Is it possible that these “literary fossils” indicate that the the story of the Israelites moving into the promised land, fighting the locals and eventually taking over is more fact based than one would think?
    In other words what’s the hypothesis? Was it more an organic assimilation or was it the result of the conquerors imposing their god on the conquered?

    • @juanausensi499
      @juanausensi499 Год назад

      I don't think ancient israelites conquered anyone ever

  • @calanm7880
    @calanm7880 Год назад +14

    The more I can learn of this appropriation, the less power ancient storm deities have in my youth-ingrained mental patterns in the present.
    Attributes or literature I was told were unique in human history and so deeply profound, are very human and of their period. Of course I viewed them through the goggles of Victorian evangelism like Spurgeon who tugged on my heartstrings with great poetic mastery.
    These daily reminders are great substitutes for my devotionals lol, much appreciated

  • @chaiman3761
    @chaiman3761 Год назад +2

    Is it like christ appropriating of ceaser in revelations

  • @daniellewandowski2659
    @daniellewandowski2659 Год назад +2

    Thanks for the work you do on TT

  • @brygenon
    @brygenon Месяц назад

    "All the people declare at the end... he is the god." Well, we might wish that bit, 1 Kings 18:39, were the end, but in the very next verse Elijah rounds up the prophets of Baal and kills them. Three were 450 according to verse 19.

  • @samwell707
    @samwell707 7 дней назад

    This one was particularly good

  • @alanb8884
    @alanb8884 Год назад +1

    Cracks me up that the captions continuously translate as BALL.😊

  • @MindsetHumbled
    @MindsetHumbled 4 месяца назад

    This is the actual true story of what was meant to be in the bible Baal and yahwehs associations

  • @julianwilliams9088
    @julianwilliams9088 Год назад +1

    Hi Dan just wondering if Litan is the same as Lotan?

  • @HassanRadwan133
    @HassanRadwan133 Год назад

    Is Beelzebub a name meant to mock Baal? In Arabic it would be
    بعل ذباب
    Baal of flies
    ie Lord of the flies.

  • @kevinmckenna5682
    @kevinmckenna5682 Год назад +1

    I'm fascinated that both KTU 1.5 and Revelations say the serpent had seven heads, but Isaiah does not. How does the author of Revelations know about the seven heads if his reference point is Isaiah, not KTU? An oral tradition that doesn't survive?

    • @20quid
      @20quid Год назад +2

      The tradition must have survived somehow in order to make it to the present day.

    • @spawnofchaos9422
      @spawnofchaos9422 Год назад +3

      That's because the 7 heads are still present elsewhere in the bible. Psalms states that YHWH crushed the heads of the Leviathan, implying it has many heads and the beast in the book of Daniel has 4 beasts emerge from the sea in his visions, one of them being a 7 headed beast. So while the Old Testament doesn't explicitly say that Leviathan has seven heads, it is pretty logical to assume that there was a jewish tradition where Leviathan had many heads. The author of Daniel probably used this imagery to describe one of the monsters that he saw, although it seems that some themes in Daniel overlap with the Baal Cycle, although i doubt that Daniel actually had access to the Baal Cycle and that he instead just used the biblical passages that were influenced by it. All the author of Revelation had to do was take those scattered bits and pieces throughout the Bible and syncreticise them to form his own narrative

    • @UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana
      @UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana Год назад +2

      Maybe the final author of Isaiah removed that bit as being "Christian ✝ corruption" later, because the Hebrew Bible we have comes after Christianity.

  • @carlknaack1019
    @carlknaack1019 Год назад

    How would you explain the transmission history of the Ugaritic material to 1st Isaiah. Was there a Phoenician intermediary?

  • @annaclarafenyo8185
    @annaclarafenyo8185 10 месяцев назад

    "Dragon" is a perfect translation of "tannin" in the OT. Where did you get this idea? I have not found it translated this way except on Wikisource.

  • @ritawing1064
    @ritawing1064 Год назад

    Mendelsohn's Elijah, anyone? It's really remarkable how singing stuff like this or "Messiah" knocks the traditional view of these texts into our heads. I suppose that's how hymns work, too.

  • @trueliberty6033
    @trueliberty6033 Год назад

    Dan, if YHWH is an unspeakable name in Hebrew, why in 1st King 18:39 did all the people say, YHWH hu ha-elohim? Did the entire assembled congregation blaspheme by speaking the tetragrammaton?

    • @AaronGeller
      @AaronGeller Год назад +6

      No, they didn’t blaspheme. That prohibition comes after the exile.

  • @AaronGeller
    @AaronGeller Год назад +3

    Hi Dan! Just curious, why do you refer to Adonai’s pronouns as they? It seems YHWH was identified as a male god rather than a non-binary or plural one.

    • @Nick-o-time
      @Nick-o-time Год назад +3

      They weren't. They are referred to as both male and female. He has videos on this.

    • @AaronGeller
      @AaronGeller Год назад +2

      @@Nick-o-time ehh I don’t think that’s correct. That seems to be the exception more than anything else.

    • @Nick-o-time
      @Nick-o-time Год назад +1

      @@AaronGeller it is correct, Dan is literally a biblical scholar, who reads and understands ancient Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew. His expertise is much greater than yours and

    • @AaronGeller
      @AaronGeller Год назад +3

      @@Nick-o-time umm... ok? You have no clue of what I know. Scholars disagree on things all the time. I've never heard another Hebrew Bible scholar refer to YHWH as "they".

    • @Nick-o-time
      @Nick-o-time Год назад

      @@AaronGeller I know you don't know shit.

  • @UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana
    @UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana Год назад +1

    I think Yahweh/Baal/Molech/all the nation Gods being the same thing with different names makes the most sense.
    It would explain a lot. Like why no side is able to conquer 👑 all the others.
    Mal 1:11
    But my name is honored by people of other nations from morning till night. All around the world they offer sweet incense and pure offerings in honor of my name. For my name is great among the nations,” says the LORD of Heaven’s Armies.

  • @bobbuilder5123
    @bobbuilder5123 Год назад

    The way he acts like this is shocking is pretty funny.

  • @Sweatrgodd.
    @Sweatrgodd. Год назад

    This is quite the reach. Revelation twelve says that the dragon/serpent has 12 heads!?
    I understand that some scholars are working on connecting Baal and yhwh, why? I can only guess, but this is definitely a reach.

    • @schen7913
      @schen7913 10 месяцев назад +1

      The why is not complicated. It's their job, and the text appears to have support for it.

    • @Sweatrgodd.
      @Sweatrgodd. 10 месяцев назад

      it seems to be in response to the idea that children were sacrificed to molech.
      from what I understand is that for a while certain critical scholars attempted to say that the child sacrifice as a reason for God wanting to remove the canaanites was overblown, but then more data came out that made that talking point invalid. without a doubt they were sacrificing children. so then there was this pivot to where now, they are trying to connect YHWH to Molech as one in the same. just seems like the goal isn't scholarship. but hey, that's my observation.@@schen7913

  • @raya.p.l5919
    @raya.p.l5919 Год назад

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    Stop worshiping the rockets.

    • @jaclo3112
      @jaclo3112 Год назад +4

      Christian magic spells are always weird.

  • @BobSmith-lb9nc
    @BobSmith-lb9nc Год назад +1

    Your summary is far too simplistic, Dan.
    Moreover, it is inappropriate for a scholar to use modern woke pronouns ("they") for biblical and Canaanite male deities, as well as to use "adonai" as a substitute for Yahweh -- in accordance with Jewish Orthodox practice. These can only confuse the innocent watcher who needs to understand in context.
    That context, by the way, includes a plethora of "Israelite" cult language and practice at Ugarit, which raises the question of the actual date, place of origin, and true nature of Israelite religion. Since Israelites were actually Canaanites, we need a far more nuanced explanation.

    • @trueliberty6033
      @trueliberty6033 Год назад +11

      Dan does not need me to defend him but I find it silly your assumption "they" pronouns are a function of wokism in scholarly scriptural textual analysis.

    • @lde-m8688
      @lde-m8688 Год назад +7

      Considering, as Dan also has videos on this, that the Hebrew used both male and female pronouns for the Israelite God, I would say using they is not inappropriate. Also Adonai was used interchangeably at times as Yahweh is a later tradition. I believe Dan also has a video explaining his use of that term. As to confusing people, do you mean giving info at odds with a certain dogma? These videos are not meant to be a deep dive here. He has his Data over Dogma podcast which explores topics more in depth with other scholars also. Many of these videos were probably TikTok videos which have a typically shorter view. I am sure if you asked he may be able to point you to his other videos on this topic as I know he keeps a record of what he posted and the topics. I couldn't hope to go through the thousands of videos,to pick the correct ones but I am sure he could do so. (Edited spelling ONLY)

    • @AaronGeller
      @AaronGeller Год назад

      @@trueliberty6033 I personally don’t understand why Dan uses “them” in specific reference to YHWH. The Hebrew Bible uses mainly male references to the deity that is YHWH.

    • @matthewnitz8367
      @matthewnitz8367 Год назад +7

      I mean, I'm not at all a well trained Bible scholar, and having just started watching Dan's videos a few months ago I still understand the reasons he has for every "bad" decision you say he is making that will confuse people. Seems like maybe you should give the interested amateurs a little more credit for being able to follow different scholarly conventions (and yes, all the things you mentioned are purposeful decisions for communication that Dan has made based on his scholarship).

    • @BobSmith-lb9nc
      @BobSmith-lb9nc Год назад

      @@trueliberty6033 So you too refer to YHWH as "they"? Do you also propose to alter the biblical text to fit woke ideology? Yes, some scribes have even done just that (tiqqune soferim).