It is also noteworthy, that the bridge section of the Lützow was different to her previous sisters, and looked rather more similar to the one used in the Bismarck class.
Crazy gross tonnage this class, yet likely inefficient as a raider lacking effective logistics & range. No way German WW2 cruisers would act as a screen for the battle line.
Germany tried something like "high pressure + heat steam" -and it did not work out well. Prinz eugen s engine was evaluated by the USA before biki test. Not verry impressed.
Quite inefficient in design as well. Almost everybody else was making heavy cruisers with better armament or better armor (or in USS Wichita's case, both) on lighter displacement.
Germans had acute shortage of resources... the German surface fleet was relegated in priority list after failures in early part of war.. Doenitz was a submariner and essentially shelfed anything that wasnt a U-Boat.
Not so much because of the appearance but because the last reports of the german positions said that the battleship is infront...PoW with her better optics noticed the difference in size rather quickly.. Because thats the thing.silhouette are not that important in long range naval gunnery because you can not properly make out details anyway.What can be seen is size@@divinerowecom
I remember having read that after Tirpitz was damaged by the X Craft, her whole fire control computer and optics were basically trash and were replaced by those intended for Lützow.
Good work as always. Very intrigued by that aft picture showing her with works done and her Y turret armed. I always only saw the clean white painted shot as she was delivered. Pardon me but is it 100% sure that those pictures are lutzow and not one of her sisters. Fascinating either way thanks.
German warships did not use the X/Y turret designation for the aft main battery guns. They named the turrets from front to rear Anton (A), Bruno (B), Ceasar (C), and Dora (D).
They wanted a navy that can do something better then shell the ground and guard convoys, and hippers (at least for soviets) were a good starting point in receiving truly modern ship. Same for bismark designs and cannons, soviet industry as a whole, and even more so in naval part, was just born, and they had to work with basically WW1 designs as their starting point.
Excellent video but "KMS" is a pet peeve of mine. It is a totally made up designation. Like today's German Navy, the Kriegsmarine had no prefix. It was Kreuzer Lützow or schwerer Kreuzer Lützow. Same as with the IJN/JMSDF. Though the reason why they didn't come up with a new prefix to replace SMS in the Weimar republic is interesting. Probably because prefixes signified a royal navy and non royal navy ships were owned by the state and not by the monarch.
It may be a pet peeve of yours but it is standard practice amongst historians to make clear the difference between, for example, two ships with the same name or to signify a specific time period. Yes, its a modern invention but it serves its purpose well enough.
"...not exactly common..." Well, not everyone who bought ships from Britain was able to actually take ownership of their purchases (nor refunds, lol), so I guess that's fair.
Ok let me get this straight, they WAY over paid for an incomplete ship they could not finish themselves and didn’t really know how to use??? Another chapter in the long long history of Russian naval glory. Peter the Great would have been so proud.
It is argued by some that the Soviets were really more concerned about "buying" German good will than an expectation of technical benefit. Money meant little to Stalin in 1939-41, but if the sale helped buy more peace with the Germans, it was worth every ruble.
@@genericpersonx333 They were more interested in ship technology. Remember, soviets didnt had many experience or expertise in building modern ships, german naval tech was WAY better then soviet analogs (if we dont count single-shot 37mm atrocity, they had full-auto 37mm all this time ffs).
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It is also noteworthy, that the bridge section of the Lützow was different to her previous sisters, and looked rather more similar to the one used in the Bismarck class.
Nice and informative video. Thank you. I enjoyed watching.
Lots of new to me info here, thanks for posting!
Crazy gross tonnage this class, yet likely inefficient as a raider lacking effective logistics & range. No way German WW2 cruisers would act as a screen for the battle line.
Germany tried something like "high pressure + heat steam" -and it did not work out well. Prinz eugen s engine was evaluated by the USA before biki test. Not verry impressed.
@@alexzenz760yes, considering the comparatively tiny Mogami class that managed to make around 155,000 shp, as much as the Yamato class.
Quite inefficient in design as well. Almost everybody else was making heavy cruisers with better armament or better armor (or in USS Wichita's case, both) on lighter displacement.
Germans had acute shortage of resources... the German surface fleet was relegated in priority list after failures in early part of war.. Doenitz was a submariner and essentially shelfed anything that wasnt a U-Boat.
I still wonder why the bridge structure of Seydlitz and Lützow was changed to the more closely resemble the exterior of that of Bismarck and Tirpitz
Well it worked well in the battle between Bismarck and Hood where the Prinz Eugen was mistaken initialy for the battleship by the crew of the Hood.
Not so much because of the appearance but because the last reports of the german positions said that the battleship is infront...PoW with her better optics noticed the difference in size rather quickly..
Because thats the thing.silhouette are not that important in long range naval gunnery because you can not properly make out details anyway.What can be seen is size@@divinerowecom
Yes,
All those cruisers looked like minis me’s of the battleships miles away…cost the Hood time…and created its demise.
I guess the Russian navy really bought the Russian-German treaty. Dumb.
@@divinerowecom Except Prinz Eugen had the earlier, Hipper like, bridge configuration.
I remember having read that after Tirpitz was damaged by the X Craft, her whole fire control computer and optics were basically trash and were replaced by those intended for Lützow.
This ship always interested me and it was hard to find info on it
Good work as always. Very intrigued by that aft picture showing her with works done and her Y turret armed. I always only saw the clean white painted shot as she was delivered.
Pardon me but is it 100% sure that those pictures are lutzow and not one of her sisters.
Fascinating either way thanks.
German warships did not use the X/Y turret designation for the aft main battery guns. They named the turrets from front to rear Anton (A), Bruno (B), Ceasar (C), and Dora (D).
@@billbutler335 naturally but I am sure the host knows what I meant. It as a question
Interesting, I either didn't know or forgot that the Soviets wanted three of the Hippers. Quite the ask.
They wanted a navy that can do something better then shell the ground and guard convoys, and hippers (at least for soviets) were a good starting point in receiving truly modern ship. Same for bismark designs and cannons, soviet industry as a whole, and even more so in naval part, was just born, and they had to work with basically WW1 designs as their starting point.
Excellent video but "KMS" is a pet peeve of mine. It is a totally made up designation. Like today's German Navy, the Kriegsmarine had no prefix. It was Kreuzer Lützow or schwerer Kreuzer Lützow. Same as with the IJN/JMSDF. Though the reason why they didn't come up with a new prefix to replace SMS in the Weimar republic is interesting. Probably because prefixes signified a royal navy and non royal navy ships were owned by the state and not by the monarch.
It may be a pet peeve of yours but it is standard practice amongst historians to make clear the difference between, for example, two ships with the same name or to signify a specific time period. Yes, its a modern invention but it serves its purpose well enough.
Prince Eugen was expended at Bikini Atoll in Hydrogen B9mb Test as a target ship
Survived both nukes actually, it was beached and flipped afterwards when it was deemed to expensive to keep around for anything
@Drk-dm8if and she's still all but glowing to this day😂
8 inch guns on 20,000 tons? They could at least mounted 10 or 12 inch main guns. Oh well, the Nazis did a lot of strange things.
"...not exactly common..."
Well, not everyone who bought ships from Britain was able to actually take ownership of their purchases (nor refunds, lol), so I guess that's fair.
am i missing something here i thought the deutschland was renamed lutzow
Antique torpedoes too
Isn't it pronounced SAYd-lits?
a.k.a Tallinn
Ok let me get this straight, they WAY over paid for an incomplete ship they could not finish themselves and didn’t really know how to use??? Another chapter in the long long history of Russian naval glory.
Peter the Great would have been so proud.
It is argued by some that the Soviets were really more concerned about "buying" German good will than an expectation of technical benefit. Money meant little to Stalin in 1939-41, but if the sale helped buy more peace with the Germans, it was worth every ruble.
@@genericpersonx333 then it would make sense.
@@genericpersonx333 They were more interested in ship technology. Remember, soviets didnt had many experience or expertise in building modern ships, german naval tech was WAY better then soviet analogs (if we dont count single-shot 37mm atrocity, they had full-auto 37mm all this time ffs).
My favorite cruiser in WoWs and Azur Lane