Standing Up to the Drone Police - Police Harass Drone Pilots - Geeksvana Drone News
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Hey everyone, welcome to Geeksvana! In today’s video, we are once again looking at the harassment of drone pilots in Michigan’s Genesee County’s park system. Standing up to the drone police has become something which all drone flyers should take seriously to ensure we protect the drone hobby in the future. Thanks to Jason and George for their involvement in today’s video. Check out the links below for more history on this.
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I love it. Big advocate for following the law and using common sense, but also a big advocate for law enforcement to also follow the same rule of law. Good show MCDO!
Based on the information provided in the video the cops are wrong. Period.
Bootlicker
They don't want you to gather all the secret information of the park,the hiding places where they sleep all day
As a former Deputy Sheriff, You may be correct. But define sleep or sleeping??? Know what I mean? Don’t want to be vulgar. And I don’t speak from personal experience. I speak from what I have seen from just a few bad apples. And that officer on the radio saying that they could make it where the drone flyer doesn’t want to come around them. He was terribly wrong!! In my hometown I go to the Police Dept. and The Officers Fly with me.
I had a cop curious to what I was doing....long story short, he ended up flying my drone briefly and wanted to get one of his own. I guided him what to buy and all he needed. Ever so grateful, then a year later, I see a news blurb about the local police getting 107 certified and using drones as a valuable resource. There he was, the police officer I had assisted, right there on TV being interviewed.
Hey Mike Kreen! Thank you for sharing your experience on this! That must have been a very satisfying outcome to see the officer follow through and gain his 107! Shows there are some fantastic positive stories out there!
A good story about a humble cop with no attitude.
Seems to me if the judge made a ruling, that would take away any LEO's qualified immunity. Sue the arresting cop personally. He/she has been warned.
read my comment above. You do NOT need an alleged "judge" to ALLOW you to file a non divisible tort.
Only problem with that is the government doesnt even pretend to hold its agents to the same laws as the citizens.
Sure would. I wouldn’t have walked away talking about I am going to show this video. Hell no. I Am flying my drone you do what your bank account can handle Ranger.
Qualified Immunity is a federal protection, and lifting it applies to violations that have been adjudicated for the exact circumstances at the appellate court level in the federal court system. I am unaware of any similar QI at a state level since the concept was completely fabricated at the SCOTUS. But I do love how you’re thinking.
@@johnwilliams1091 it gets into blurry territory when cops intentionally disobey laws. A cop telling someone "I don't care what the law says, I'll do what I want" is a horrible look
The cops talking on the radio should be fired. We hire them to enforce the LAWS.....not their feelings.
ie, let's intimidate them into leaving. Pretty sorry attitude
Being ignorant of the law is not an excuse, sue the officer for harassment.
Was he arrested?
@@kingjoedirt1334 it doesn't matter
Problem is the rangers aren't ignorant of the law. They know what they are doing
It's always been a free for all for drones, these tyrants just can't seem to understand they arent the law.
@2002 2002 That's where qualified immunity protects them from knowing the laws and the inconveniences of violating your rights.
For me these officers are not only showing a naivety of the law but also an above the law attitude to to it. I'm stoked that people like Jason and others in our drone community are doing all they can to remove the negative stigma around our hobby /vocation. Perhaps the police should try harder to improve their reputation too.
Hey Andy Keast! Great to see you! Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts, which I happen to agree with!! The Michigan Coalition should certainly be seen as an example for others to follow in protecting our hobby and profession.
Using "color of law" is a federal offense by the officer. You could really get him if you wanted.
Exactly cops cant tell you not to do something just because they want to it has to be an actual law. They enforce not make the rules and they need to remember that
They aren’t naive they are intent on this which means no immunity. They know they lost this battle in court and they want to push their egos over this. So these drone pilots need to push back. Strip these officers immunity and sue them personally. Make these rouge officers pay out of pocket. Force an arrest and confiscation of equipment and sue for damages as well as pain and suffering, embarrassment, lost work damage to reputation, social status the list goes on. Like I said by now these Rangers know this battle was lost and they can’t stop you from flying. Take the arrest and go from there.
bingo! if they are going to "enforce" the law, at least KNOW what the law is!
Well,I guess they can’t be called “Law Enforcement” when they make up their own laws.
Opinion enforcement.
Bs enforcement
Hey cops, say it with me:
IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR VIOLATING IT.
What punishment do THEY receive for ignorance? we all would receive some form of punishment! false accusations from a member of law enforcement can be devastating for some people 😡
@@bugsy742 would get a written warning or probation at work like normal people would for making a mistake but they can arrest you and let it go all the way to court to find out it was all a big mistake. He should be reprimanded or some form of punishment. Has to be repercussions who polices the police??
oh dont it feel to use one of their own lines on them lol well said
@@bugsy742 in Pa. there is a law. look it up title18 section 5301a1 5301a2
@@quinszar why didn’t you just tell me what it was mate? 😅
To be fair I’m sure it wouldn’t go far if a complaint was made, yank cops don’t even get struck off for beating people - they just move on to another county!
As a Police Detective of 30 years. Those officers integrity is in question now and they should relieved of duty if they still continued with their actions even after the court has made a ruling
Well that’s using common sense and I don’t think there’s much of that going on there. There’s a reason they r park rangers. And not actual police officers. Let’s just say that they would never make detective
Can i ask you what do you think of the level policing in America right now.
their actions are the exact reason good police officers have to deal with verbally combative civilians. its the unlawful actions of corrupt police officers that give every GOOD cop a black eye in the public spotlight
@@judd0112 actually they have full rights of arrest as any other officer in that state. scary huh
but they will be protected
Looks like time to sue this specific park ranger so he can be in line with the law.
Hey uindy4! Thanks for taking the time to comment and share your thoughts, I really appreciate it!
they really do think this earth is only for them
No one has the time to teach police what they should already know, especially free.
I am a business.
Hey Darryl, thanks for taking the time to comment and share your thoughts! Well said sir!
Sue them again for harassment and official oppression
Cops love when you read them the laws. 🤣 🤣 🤣
Do it anyway and make sure you are recording when you do. They can not in good faith argue they didn't know. If they choose not to look up and or verify what you are telling them, that is entirely on them. Any action they take against you at the point is a constitutional violation.
Prime example of why we should abolish qualified immunity
Hey This Is Sewious! Thanks for taking the time to comment, I appreciate it! Yes, it would make a lot of officers think twice!!
we do not need to abolish something that does NOT exist in law. What we need to do is remove judges who do not respect the constitution which mandates EQUAL protection, NOT "special protection". SOME animals are NOT more equal than others.
I’m a cop and a drone pilot. I teach drone classes to the public at the library and I help other public service agencies become familiar with drone laws and start search and rescue programs.
If you think getting rid of qualified immunity will help anyone in any way, you’re out of your fucking mind. A simple lawsuit would make the people in this video a lot of money and probably get some serious administrative action on these dumb ass cops.
Ending qualified immunity will do nothing but ensure the police won’t show up when: step dad gets drunk and beats his wife and kids, the jealous ex boyfriend tries kidnapping his ex girlfriend, the local bangers decide to rob the 7/11, the dick head in the corvette wants to do 80 through a school zone, the hundreds of fatal car crashes that happen every winter, the infant is choking to death and mom has no clue what to do.
I’m not saying police are hero’s, but uneducated people such as yourself are the ones who should “think twice”. #dronelife
Yes and no. Because when a cop makes and honest mistake they should not be charged. Remember they swore to an oath. You should read on qualified immunity. But yet when going to court there should have been a clause to say that by such date all county police or park rangers need have receive a e-mail of the court rulings with a copy of the drone laws for educational purposes and if that was the case they would not have qualified immunity protection because at this point its harassment which is a crime.
@@anonamos6086 and if you are a cop stick to the OATH you swore to and not by the orders giving from the higher up. And dont ever give that bullshit im just following orders or policies. Just like in the video whats the need to go talk to them if you know they not breaking the LAW? Thats harassment and your quilified immunity should not apply. You should be able to tell by the recorded conversation the cop was not going over there for a friendly chit chat the recording tells the tail you know it and we all do too. If the table was turned any civilian would be in cuffs. It's events like this is why some of the public is not for the police. I feel the feds should be over all police academies. Please recite your oath.
If I'm ever in the area I will fly there even if I don't feel like it that day. I'll fly all my batteries.
Hey Rich C! That is a great plan!! Thanks for your comment in support!
Lmao
I'm in !!
Im coming there too with friends, with all of us wearing the judges law on it.. LoL, the park police will be pissed...!
Thank you fellow drone sisters and brothers, fly legal in michigan...
why do they care at all??? what do they have against drones? they aren't hurting anyone.
It's a control thing aka ego thing.
I strongly encourage all drone flyers to go to a Genesee County park in the Flint Michigan area and enjoy your hobby. Don't let our hobby be taken away from us. Post your pictures to Michigan Coalition of Drone Operators . Thanks for your support.
Hey Greg! Thank you for taking the time to comment and reinforce the message!! I enjoyed your posts on the Facebook group a lot!!
It's pretty sad in an information based society this set of law enforcement officers choose to ignore the information so easily available to them.
Hey Jimmy J! Thanks for taking the time to comment, it is great to see you! Yes, it seems convenient doesn't it, when it suits the needs of the officer!
I would have took that fool to the bank. Make your arrest clown my drone is flying. That ranger knew exactly what he was doing. Violating this man’s rights.
Huge Thanks to Jason and Geeks for sharing this. As a FAA107 Pilot I fly by the rules the FAA have set. These officers don't go and bother manned pilots at the airport. Same rules for the part apply, they shouldn't be bothering an unmanned pilot while their conducting a flight. The FAA really does need to start doing something about these incidents. Before an accident occurs.
Hey D&D, thanks for the kind words, much appreciated! Yes, the FAA do need to start being more proactive when it comes to local law enforcement and the drone hobby. It would bring about a much calmer hobby and profession!
@@Geeksvana Yeah these sort of incidents really spin my props. I'm a big proponent of education over punishment What we're seeing here though, they're making their own law. With nothing more then OOPS as a consequence. Since here in the States with only one government agency that has any authority over airspace the FAA. It's beyond time for them to do their job. I have yet to meet any pilot unmanned or manned that doesn't take flying seriously and works diligently to ensure the safety of each and every flight they conduct, that even includes the FPV pilots. Who are very talented and skilled pilots, which is why they are able to fly the way they do. I recently hung out with a bunch of them, not a one took flight without respecting the rules and being sure of flying safely. It was nice to see!
Thank you D&Ds, an excellent point well made! The vast majority of drone flyers are very responsible and as you state, that includes our FPV friends. The image some try to paint of the hobby and profession is based on a tiny minority.
@@Geeksvana Thanks for the reply Geeks, Thank-you for bringing this to the community.
This is what we need to do here in New York City. I love the non for profit idea of drone operators...
Hey Lawrence! It is a well organised group! We need them everywhere frankly!!
The people need to stand up to tyranny!
If you stand up your most likely to get shot. Unfortunately true
Let’s make that park a drone park? Drone owners should go see this nice park
The chief said "free for all" like it was something dirty. That is a shame and he should maybe consider another career where his hatred of freedom doesn't infringe on people's lives.
The cops are annoyed that they can't tell you what to do, right or wrong, and they can only stand by and watch. Pisses them off.
@@sferg9582 : This is the era of constant video recording. Many fine old thug traditions loved by cops are not going to hold up. Like blacksmiths of old, many may need to find a new trade. The blacksmiths did have the advantage of knowing how to do an honest days work without stealing or robbing others
@@sferg9582 Power FOR people, GOOD. Power OVER people, EVIL. Eff evil.
All that money from tax dollars wasted???? I'm surprised that county hasn't stopped this unlawful enforcement.
The radio chatter would constitute threat/retaliation by a public official.
SUE, SUE, SUE!!! Since it's obvious this bunch don't care about the law, you may need to appeal to their economic side. You should sue to recover every penny of your legal fees plus punitive damages and for harassment by the local PD. Capturing the radio transmission proves they were very well aware of the legal aspect of this but deliberately chose to ignore that and instead sought to bully. Just what every town needs, a bunch of bullies with badges!
Hey FlyMIfYouGotM! Thanks for taking the time to comment and share your thoughts, I really appreciate it! Totally agree, financial cost would certainly change policy and bring about 'retraining' very quickly!
I live in this county, it makes me want to buy a drone and go to the park in Genesee to annoy them.
Never in a million years should a local government be able to violate a COURT ORDER! These county officials need to face serious legal repercussions because this is disgusting.
Part of the duty of being a cop is to ensure that they are up to date with all new laws, changes to laws and laws that have been repealed. In most PDs cops are REQUIRED to sign for having received such notifications affecting laws. It literally is their job to know the law and ignorance of law, as we all know, is not an efective defence when you are standing in court accused of a crime.
I swore I'd never say it but why aren't they out catching real criminals.
The fact that they even are worried about it says all you need to know
We need to defend the Drone industry so much good our technology can offer to humanity
Hey Acknology, thanks for taking the time to comment, I really appreciate it! Yes we certainly need to stand up for the hobby and promote the positive future it can have 😎
Remember, this was 2 years ago and the laws change, not the FAA right to fly in Federal airspace, but like we have here in Florida, municipal laws regarding taking off and landing in certain areas. The following is an example:
"Operating a UAS for commercial purposes within a City of Altamonte Springs park also requires a permit. Commercial UAS users must submit a copy of their FAA authorization to Events Management. Depending on the proposed use, the City may require a Special Event permit, Right of Entry permit, or other approval. Further, commercial photography or filming within Altamonte Springs also requires a permit from the Metro Orlando Film Commission." The FAA does allow municipalities to construe their own regulations regarding using municipal property, but they cannot ban flying over such properties.
Good job standing up for your rights, and all of our rights
Hey Mark W! Thank you for taking the time to comment and share your support for Jason and his group! It is appreciated.
Give them the "Ranger" name and suddenly they think they are military combat Rangers.
Until local judges and police are personally held accountable these people are able to get away with this.
This sounds like a small case of a few or one officer butthurt about the lost case. The administration seems to have complied with the order. Even the other officer on the CB radio convo was advising nothing can be done. Keep up the fight everyone, it is never over.
Hey Russ! Exactly! It was also good to hear the legal response to the Coalition's lawyer stating it shouldn't happen again. Although with the history this particular police department has with respecting the rules, everyone is remaining vigilant! Great to see you sir! Hope you are well!
But he knew the other officer was going to mess with the drone operator, which makes him just aś guilty for not saying anything to stop him. The silent ones make it more than a few bad apples.
An incident occurred on September 3, 2023 and the PA State police now have my Air 2S. I was filming a hyper lapse video of the sunset when I received a critical battery error (my own stupidity) and the drone made an emergency landing about 400 meters from home. I could see that it had landed on a neighbors property and waited until the next morning to go there and ask permission to search. When I did they told me that they had found it and called the police who came and took the drone. I was happy to hear that it was found and figured that all I needed to do was call, explain what happened, and go retrieve it from them. I made that call on September 4 and was told that the officer involved would have to call me back. I waited a few days without hearing a word then he finally contacted me. He informed me that I wouldn't be getting the drone back soon if at all because there had been other complaints, about drone flyers in my neighborhood. I explained that I could easily prove that there was no malicious intent on my part by showing him the flight logs. I also told him that everything I filmed would be on the memory card in the drone and, if he removed the battery, he would find a sticker with my name, address and phone number on it. He didn't want to hear that though and was very arrogant and downright rude when he told me that he was gathering everyone in the area who had complained and they were taking me to court. When I inquired about a timeline he said that he couldn't even start the 'investigation' until he gets off of 3rd shift. Its been a month and he still has not started the investigation. Since then I've done some research and found that civil forfeiture laws exist that allow them to keep property indefinitely even if there are never any charges or arrests made.
UPDATE
I received a call from Trooper Lewis of the PSP today (12/10/23) and he informed me that he would be filing 'unlawful use of an unmanned aircraft ' and also 'disorderly conduct ' charges against me. The disorderly conduct charge really blows my mind. When I asked him about it he said it was because 2 other officers had visited me with warnings. Those officers never issued any warning either written or verbal. Unfortunately with my wife battling breast cancer and heart problems and with both of us being retired on a fixed income the money won't be there to hire a lawyer and fight this and my income will keep me from getting legal assistance.
As a single-engine, auto-gyro, ultralight, and powered parachute pilot that entered into flying via model aircraft, I'm completely disgusted by the FAA and its growing aim to make it a rich man's hobby.
Flying drones safely is not a crime! LEO's are not there to enforce feelings, they are there to enforce the LAW. If LEO's don't and they violate your rights, don't resist, let them violate your rights, say "I'm not going to resist but if you violate my rights then you do it without my consent." Record every interaction with police! Know your rights! Pro tip, pleading the 6th is a good way to not answer questions without the presents of an attorney and not look guilty! I'm glad people are standing up for their rights. Do it but do it smart.
I feel your frustrations, that is just crazy. A park no one around all of sudden a park ranger shows up. Yet they love our aerial photography.
As the saying goes A law into themselves. This is the main reason Sean I wear a body camera on me when out flying my drone to protect myself from he said she said situation and the same goes for my car I have a dash cam to record what’s going on around me just in case 👍 thanks as always for bringing us this story cheers
Hey RodPiker! Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts and experience! I remember you mentioning wearing a bodycam when flying, that is an excellent idea. As you say, it covers you in the same way a dashcam will. Great to see you! Hope you are well!
Far more pilots need to stand up for our rights like this. Well done!
I am a retired commercial pilot, flight instructor and a air-frame and power plant mechanic and have held all of the licenses for well over 50 years. I have seen a lot things that would come and go but the DUMBEST thing is with the grounded so-called law enforcement clowns who write the rules as they see fit. The FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) has flight rules pertaining to drone flight which covers a myriad of rules. Drone pilots know what they are and abide by them. 99.9% of all of the FAR's (Federal Aviation Regulations) are safety orientated. This applies to mechanics (me) Pilots, flight instructors (me too) and drone pilots (later). My biggest FEAR is the common police departments having their employees wear costumes (clown suits) that have NO idea of what is going on and probably never will when it comes to drone flight or otherwise. Almost forgot to tell you all I used to fly radio controlled airplanes designed, built and flew my own designed airplanes. Kits were easy and all of the math was already taken out of the build process an TOO EXPENSIVE to buy, so my aviation knowledge is quite extensive. Just like the Constitution of the United States, State, county and or local rules DO NOT trump Federal Laws. In closing I would tell any cop (that approached me to say that I could not do what I am doing as long as I am within the law) to go kick rocks. IMPORTANT::::::: Unless you break the law DO NOT give your identification to ANY cop if they ask for it, then ask "What law do you suspect of braking , will be breaking or have broken. This in short is called RAS (Reasonable Articulable Suspicion). Most cops ask this and expect you give them your identification. Do not forget, they make the laws as they go ! ! !
Awesome video. 👍👍 I have been flying all 6 of the Genesee County Parks for 3 years now. I figured i was the only FPV pilot getting harassed here. Looks like i am not alone. I wish i had a few of my run in's still saved.
I think i will head out today to say hi to the Rangers.... No more hiding to fly !!!
Hey Turbomania FPV! Really pleased you enjoyed the video! Yes, every drone flyer needs to stand up for their rights and doing so in the knowledge of others stories is empowering!
There is also a Facebook group called Michigan Coalition of Drone Operators formed from the issues surrounding Genesee Parks.
TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE OF A PROPER DRONE/POLICE ENCOUNTER- Always be nice and respectful with the cops, argue and get combative and you'll end up in handcuffs. Document everything, pick up your crap and leave. Follow the legal process later. I am a retired cop (32 years) with 8 years in business as a commercial drone operator.
Intelligence and integrity are not part of law enforcement
Didn't that officer admit to not following the judges orders and still have the above the law mind set
Nice going! Thanks for sharing and fly safe!
Hey Westlake! Thanks for taking the time to comment! I really appreciate it!
This kinda seems like the dystopian base of the hunger games. They closed the parks for the day so they could not fly. They had police (peace keepers) surrounding the park when they got to the other park.
Hey Caleb Guffey! Thanks for the comment! That is a very accurate, if a little scary, description!
CRIMINAL INTIMIDATION, FRAUD, THEFT OF SERVICE, FRAUDULENT USE OF TAXPAYER PROPERTY, OFFICIAL OPPRESSION, CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE, EMPLOYMENT FRAUD, THEFT, DERELICTION OF DUTY...I AM NOT A LAWYER, BUT KNOW MOST OF THE CHARGES COULD BE MADE VALID.
THIS WAS NOTHING SHORT OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM BY UNCONSTITUTIONAL STANDING ARMY SOLDIERS CLEARLY VIOLATING PROPERTY RIGHTS, CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND PUBLIC SERVICES WITHOUT LEGAL AUTHORITY, OR NOTICE!
Another great reason to remove qualified immunity from cops prosecutors and judges
Hey Les! Thanks for your comment! I really appreciate it!
These officers really dont have anything else to do but harass good citizens. That should be completely unacceptable and an outrage!
I think the local newspaper needs to have an ad posted with the law and notice for ALL TO READ, then there is no excuse for ignorance of the law!!
Well, let's not forget that park rangers are all failed cops to begin with.
Holy crap. I live in Genesee County. This is insane. You'd think the police would have something better to do.
Great win. I live in Boulder Colorado and sometimes flying my drones in the city in the parks is a pain in the ass because of park rangers
I’m not sure why there was such adamancy for park law enforcement to prevent drone flights over local parks, but I don’t know the whole story. The few times I’ve been dispatched to drone related calls in Texas, I’ve always chatted it up with the pilot about his drone. The areas I’m dispatched to are in Class B airspace, but each time, the pilots had LAANC approval and were not violating any laws. One guy was a little nervous because of the interaction, so he wanted to end his flight, but I just encouraged him to continue flying. It’s a fun hobby! I’m also a Part 107 pilot, but I still mostly use my drone for scenic videos and landscape photography.
Michigan is my home State. So proud of my brothers who are willing to push back against domestic police power controled by sick men. The comments by police give us all concern for the crisis the Republic is in. A Curse has been put upon many minds and they have lost all sence of community, respect, civil order, living by the laws and regulations that we agree to follow to keep the peace and have a safe place for families. Police power is required but we are in need of Reforms and new laws that govern officers conduct when in contact with police. Support for good policing is needed and the legal system needs to step up and apply justice when we have criminals on both sides of the law. Police need better monitoring and officers need to hold each other accountable. It is already too dangerous for officers we don't need bad evil officers endangering other officer's lives by their conduct.
Men keep the high ground and hold it!
this is an excellent example of how you fight the system as the system doesn't care how you feel, they fought the battle the correct way and won! CONGRATULATIONS GUYS!
Same thing happened to me - the park ranger said I needed an FCC license.. YES A LICENSE FROM THE FCC! When I told her that she was wrong she told me to google it and drove off in her truck
Keep it up, it's a long struggle for your rights, but these tyrants got to go.
Cops have WAY too much POWER to wreck your life!!!
In the middle of nowhere, on a public road, a state park ranger stopped to ask me "how far away is it".
typically states and local municipalities can't make laws for airspace. However, they still control the ground. If you are standing on their property controlling a drone, you are trespassing. So, just go to a private property nearby and fly over.
Expecting police in America to do their jobs correctly is really asking a ton
Officers captured on radio conspiring to harass. If I was that judge I'd be pissed they ignored an official judgement.
I am retired LE (federal). I see a lot of police, fire etc. have starting their own "drone airwing" for search and rescue, recovery operations, intelligence gathering etc. It is a lot cheaper than operating a helicopter, especially in the early stages of an operation. Maybe the park police guys don't have a unit. Ask them. Maybe put on a presentation on how drones could be used for those purposes. The way that one officer was chowing down on his McD hamburger, I don't think he gets out of his car much. What happens in the bigger parks where someone goes missing? I don't see those guys "hoofing it" through the woods. I know it sounds harsh. I would be embarrassed as hell if I got caught on camera stuffing my face while my partner was doing all the work. If I were his boss, I'd be talking to him! What if he had to react if his partner was in trouble, he's be shot before he ever got out of the SUV. I was getting a program going before I retired, still fly and I love it.
Sean - I have a question. Is there a Drone Flyers organisation here in the UK that routinely challenge over zealous rulings like the ones depicted here? Litigation in the UK can be very expensive, yet it's vitally important that our rights are defended when operating legally. Great vids!
Hey David! There are a few groups who certainly try to keep the authorities under observation such as the anti airprox group. There was also the instance where the couple falsely accused of flying a drone at Gatwick who received substantial compensation.
However, there so far hasn't been the need for organised support. That could change with the drone bill going through Parliament which will see police granted greater powers over drone flyers...
Thanks for taking the time to comment, I really appreciate it.
“Use your best judgment” that’s funny bc the judgment is not in his favor lol
I love it. Take the thugs to court.
The most interesting thing is that this video preaches as long as you’re with an FAA regulations you’re fine. But the fact remains that the drones flying over houses and cars and populated areas are in there in direct violation of the FAA.
Just like with all hobbies (I'm a ppg pilot) as well as a Drone pilot you have to be responsible or THEY will find a way to shut it down. I don't think harassing them after you won is smart, yet continuing to do what you have been doing (responsibly) is being the bigger person. Drone DO annoy some people and there are privacy concerns. So you cannot say they don't hurt anyone. I stay away from people and don't spend too much time in one place to minimize my neg. Impact on others trying to enjoy the space. Most think it's cool... but after a few min it's annoying.
That's 100 percent true, although you have the right to be there its smart not to push it to the limit.
Here in the Netherlands a lot of people react like if they are stinged by a wasp before you have even startup your drone.
This is an awesome video!! I cant stand it when the local law enforcement dont know their own job
Good job guys. Good example for all of America. Stand up for your rights!!! Those cops were about to commit conspiracy to violate a citizens rights. Smart return answers from the 2nd radio cop
Any violation of order should be reported to court for consideration of contempt of court order. Do not allow them to just walk on violation of order. Make sure court knows of each time they violate order.
Talk about overreach of the Police. This does have an overarching theme of Police trying to enforce their authority on everything and restrict freedoms.
It's bad enough that drone pilots have to deal with members of the public who don't know the law on a daily basis, but when the Police are worse, it's just intolerable!
Jesus that man stuffed sandwich in his face lol.
Nope. It was time to sue them!! I gave up my Right by threat of arrest!! Time to sue!!
Just now seeing this video. I am not a drone enthusiasts, but I am fascinated by the drone flying issue. I'm just completely confused that in a public park, where there is no expectation of privacy, that there is an issue with a drone. Someone can walk right up to me and take a picture of me head on if they so choose, but they can't fly a drone high above me, where you would do well to make out the top of my head? This makes no sense to me. Is this some sort of a safety issue? Are they afraid a drone will crash onto someone? I know nothing about drones. I know my grandsons had a very cheap drone one time with a battery life of about ten minutes. If that thing had hit me on the head, it might have smarted, but it wouldn't have killed me. But as I said, I know very little about drones. I'm wondering if anyone could enlighten me as to whether there has ever been any issues with injury to anyone. Can a drone simply fall out of the sky? It seems unlikely to me, but I don't know. What is the issue with this odd crackdown on drones? No, I don't want someone filming me in my backyard sunbathing, (not that anyone would want to if they got a look at me hahaha), but I still don't understand the public issue. It seems unreasonable to me. Can anyone explain this to me?
Awesome job. They honestly didn't think that you would push back. Touche! New sub
It’s almost like they are hiding something in the park.
Yeah, lazy cops snoozing on duty.
This is such a great video. If ever I'm on that side of Michigan I will definitely fly those parks. I was wondering about the laws in Michigan for flying my drones. I'm in the UP.
That judge has one hell of a signature.
1 cop saying to another cop" well, use your best judgement" is discouraging to me.
That is code for one officer saying to the other, "You are wrong, know it, have been told that and now I'll let you violate a court order all on your own."
I Absolutely love how they are harassing a drone pilot for flying in a park when I can clearly hear a dirt bike ripping up the trails sounds like they are incompetent at doing there job?
How about if I act like I'm flying a drone? They seem like they'd make an arrest only on the belief that you ate flying a drone. Lol
You should sue their asses for violating your constitutional right of freedom of movement. That officer committed a felony under the color of law by violating state and federal statute and for violating a court order issued by a judge in good standing. I would sue their asses like they've never seen.
"Except as expressly authorized by statute, a political subdivision shall not enact or enforce ordinance or resolution that regulates the ownership or operation of unmanned aircraft or otherwise engage the regulation of the ownership or operation of unmanned aircraft"
Damn, this is one of the few time I wished we had an American law in the UK. Researching local by-laws is a pain in the ass!, and that's even if they're published digitally in the first place.
What is it they always love to say? “Ignorance of the law is not a valid defense.”
Great video, kinda beginning to wonder if drone piloting is beginning to become more like the trucking industry was back in the seventies.
Police who think that they’re doing their due diligence on ordnance’s they right up that flies in the face of governmental agencies in which it’s the police who are actually breaking the law.
Looks like we’re all going to need to retain good attorneys that keep us from going to jail for basically doing nothing wrong, while junkies are needling up in the playground area.
Hey groomlakefisherman! There does seem to be unbalanced amount of police focus on drones across the world right now. There are few hobbies which gain such levels of interest without an issue to cause it. Thanks for taking the time to comment and share your thoughts, I really appreciate it!
I wonder why they are so against drone flying? I'm a recent retired Northern Michigan (two hrs from Genesee) Deputy sheriff and we never gave two shits about people flying drones. I suppose being a "Park Police Officer" might get a tad boring? Lol
Here in the desert southwest around Phoenix, the usual argument is crashed drones rupturing the batteries and starting fires in remote or inaccessible locations and drone flying in protected federal lands and environments (grand canyon or Yellowstone) without specific authorization. A LOT of the western US is protected Federal land.
Congrats on your fight and win. It’s to the point that every time I fly I’m recording audio and video since I’ve had conflicts like this too.
I was just flying on the west side of property, they arrested me. They said they are protecting the hobbits and sasquatch colonies and the keebler elves are starting to complain I was stealing their cookie recipes and recording their baking procedures.
Well, did you get their recipe? 😗🙏
More likely you may have inadvertently photographed their "crops"
Every time I have flown a drone in public, in multiple states, I have had the police called on me. Now, if I want a video of a certain area, I launch and fly from a private area nearby and never fly directly back to where I am. Problem solved.
My local law enforcement waves as they drive by at a public park where I fly often. I open carry my weapons too. Never once been mistreated by any law enforcement officer. Now, if I started buzzing people or animals, flew over people's private property or showed a lack of control it would be a whole different situation.
I grew up around flint these cops need a massive change.
I loved the bit about States or gov depts making up their own laws. In the UK , the CAA makes the laws. Thats it , no gov depts , park rangers or anyone else is allowed to make drone laws. If i am wrong on this, i'm happy to be corrected :)
A fantastic Citizen Smith "Power to the people!" moment! =
Hey El Smeghead! Absolutely! This is a great example of what calm and thought out resistance can achieve.