I'm glad somebody else found this saw to be anemic and shitty off the shelf, I felt like I was being gaslit by the Echo dealership when I mentioned its low power output and constant bogging down compared to similar power output Stihls. On paper it's quite a poky little saw, I honestly think it would be worth porting. Not sure I'm brave enough to do it myself.
I was under the impression this was a cs450p with a newer set of plastic. The 450p was non stratified and able to be machine and ported and a 372xp carb fit on it. I could be wrong though. Nice looking muffler mod 🤙🏽
The white plastic thing and entire in-filter round part has nothing to do with winter modes. It is to make different lengths of clean air and fuel mixture passages to tune the strato system and avoid spitback problems.
For a few dollars more the 4910 is WAY more saw for the money. Lighter, more compact, more power,, and worth porting- as the ThunderKitten demonstrates.
Interesting discussion on Echo marketing. Regardless of what I read is pro worthy; I have my own requirements. Metal case, adjustable oiler (newer saws), dual pinned chain brake flag, braced muffler and a bit more power make it pro for me. Not that I can always afford such options, nor have the need to always use a pro saw. But its a baseline.
It's odd that echo tries to make their saws idiot proof so people burn them up, but at the same time many of their saws need tweeking by someone experienced with saws to be any good, but they have a good price point
Thanks for the video. How did you weld onto the muffler? braze, mig, tig, flux? Also what size outlet if you don't mind me asking. Accidentally ordered a 4510 instead of a 4910, so i guess i will stick with it...
The 4910 isn't exactly a show stopper in stock configuration. It drove me to actually first limiter cap removal and I am considering muffler modification too. I will say the video side by side is nice but you worked the saw much more on the after modification cut and just let the saws weight do the work on the first one. So it's not quite an apples to.oalles comparison. I would guess the stock saw would have justt bogged down if worked harder though. I returned my 4510 immediately on trying it out and got the 4910. I'll say both are completely disappointing saws.
I got to give you one thing should have been an actor that tree going over can you play that so good I understand hit a little truck we all messed up but that was pretty cool
I've never seen that saw being advertised as a professional saw. Not even in their product catalogs or on Echo's website. Come to think of it, I've never seen a rear handle clamshell design saw advertised as a professional saw.
@The Novice Lumberjack Echo has said that about all their engines for as long as I can remember. Even said it about my cs400 and every SRM210 weed eater I used to have. None of those are pro saws or trimmers.
@@novicelumberjack Yes, engine. Not saw. As you know it takes more than the engine to be s professional grade product. You are thinking of it from an enthusiast / performance standpoint. Echo wants customers to know you are getting something a cut above a Walmart poulan or equivalent homeowner saw. A cut above because the engines are designed to last longer than the typical homeowner piece of equipment. Husqvarna and Stihl don't use that nomenclature on there occasional use tools because they don't meet the requirements or you can bet they would.
@MrJeepfreak1972 Yep. The engines are built with great and very durable metals. Aka pro-grade materials. Making it a pro-grade engine due to its durability and longevity.
How do you find the 7310? I've used Stihl 441 and 660s which I guess are the nearest comparison, my preference is still Echo despite the lower power output because the vibration levels are so low, but I wondered about how heavy the 7310 is.
@@boiledelephant 7310 is worth every penny. its such an underrated saw thatll muscle thru anything. its not too heavy its magnesium so i mean there will be weight. i personally think the 7310 p us balanced better with a 24 inch bar than my ms462 with a 25 inch bar
Is this saw worth buying it? You said it runs terrible. I was considering getting one to replace my old Stihl MS250 (same displacement and power) but now i have doubts. What saw would you recommend in this class (3hp)?
I would recommend it if you can get your hands dirty and have some mechanical sense. Search my channel for this saw and you will find multiple videos. I remove the carb restrictors and could actually tune it. Runs good now. Totally decent little saw, but you will have to do some adjustments for sure and if you aren't comfortable with that, then get a Husqvarna 450
@@novicelumberjack thanks for reply, i'm affraid doing such mods would result losing warranty and 5 year consumer warranty is biggest + of echo/shindaiwa
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but considering you still keep saying that Echo markets XY and Z as "professional" saws here is where your confusion must come from. All echo ENGINES meet the 300 hour emissions standard threshold to be considered a "professional" grade engine vs the lower threshold for occasional use type products. They are not saying the that saw is a professional grade saw. It even says in their description on their site, "professional grade, 2 stroke engine". Echos generally use the X designation for their actual professional grade equipment and in the past I believe, before the X designation, the letter P. Some still carry that letter, such as the CS501 P chainsaw.
I see where you're coming from, but..."professional grade" should not be used in ANY literature for this saw. It is purposefully misleading and just a marketing trick. They are trying hard to trick people into thinking this is anything more than a small farm saw. Nothing wrong with a small farm saw. It is a nice little saw that is priced well. And that's it. It is Echos version of the Husqvarna 435, and I'd take a 435 over it any day. There is nothing about it that is professional. But I do get what you're saying, I'm just saying that Echo is exaggerating.
@@novicelumberjack It's not misleading. They don't say its a professional grade saw, you read that into it and you are the only person I've heard say that. The engines in all their equipment, as far as I know, meet that 300 hour benchmark, as defined by the EPA, I assume, to be considered a professional grade engine. The EPA gives zero forks about power output or clam shell vs mag cases in this determination.
There’s not a damn thing wrong with your muffler mod buddy… grinder makes up for the welder I ain’t…it is still holding together then you did good… you can get better and better with practice! You just watch your angles and try to pull more then push and work on your z pattern or play with the different patterns depending upon which type of welding machine you are using… you can cheat and set up a small torch flame and learn to basically use two hands… if you are running a crappy little wire feed welder then by running a torch into your puddle area you burn out the excess oxygen with your torch flame and that makes your flux in your wire feed wire more effective! Cut out your sight hole and work holes in a gallon metal coffee can and get a small bottle of shield gas and make a little “portable hood” with your coffee can… I’ve seen a guy do that and I was very impressed by his ingenuity… if you know how things work then you can make your own tools or create the environment necessary for your project to work correctly! You can hook up a piece of aluminum flex hose and hook it up to your truck’s exhaust pipe and drag that over to your metal piece’s or weld near your truck… the carbon monoxide will disrupt the oxygen content in your little local atmosphere over your weld and let that flux do a better job! We learned to run the hose into the gas tank on the vehicle so we could weld them back together with 1/2 a tank of gasoline still in the tank! Talk about taking a deep breath and checking yourself right before you strike up your ark on the outside of a 1/2 full gas tank!!! Since I was the class clown I got chosen to go first! I thought the old prick was trying to kill me! Or at least pay me back for the harassment!!! LMFFAO! I like raffles! The 306 Poulan! I’d definitely be in!!!
My 4510 is fantastic off the shelf. Cuts like a hot knife through butter. Large chips, easy work. Fun to use.
I'm glad somebody else found this saw to be anemic and shitty off the shelf, I felt like I was being gaslit by the Echo dealership when I mentioned its low power output and constant bogging down compared to similar power output Stihls. On paper it's quite a poky little saw, I honestly think it would be worth porting. Not sure I'm brave enough to do it myself.
I was under the impression this was a cs450p with a newer set of plastic. The 450p was non stratified and able to be machine and ported and a 372xp carb fit on it. I could be wrong though. Nice looking muffler mod 🤙🏽
Nope, it's a stratified clamshell. Just a decent little farm saw, nothing more.
@@novicelumberjack yea I figured you were schooled up on it. I was just under the wrong assumption
Will the Jets not back out with Vibration when the Saw is running now the Plastic retainer is missing and an absence of springs ?
The white plastic thing and entire in-filter round part has nothing to do with winter modes.
It is to make different lengths of clean air and fuel mixture passages to tune the strato system and avoid spitback problems.
My Redmax has the same thing and it is for winter and summer modes according to the manual. You can open it to allow warm air to flow in
For a few dollars more the 4910 is WAY more saw for the money. Lighter, more compact, more power,, and worth porting- as the ThunderKitten demonstrates.
Agreed.
Interesting discussion on Echo marketing. Regardless of what I read is pro worthy; I have my own requirements. Metal case, adjustable oiler (newer saws), dual pinned chain brake flag, braced muffler and a bit more power make it pro for me. Not that I can always afford such options, nor have the need to always use a pro saw. But its a baseline.
Never heard anyone throw in the chainbrake requirement before. Very interesting! Lots of Huskies would be left on the shelf.
Your collection is growing!😁
It's odd that echo tries to make their saws idiot proof so people burn them up, but at the same time many of their saws need tweeking by someone experienced with saws to be any good, but they have a good price point
The 4510 has to be a top 3 all time harry homeowner saw.
Well now I'm starting to get interested. Good looking saw too!!
Yeah. Totally reasonable now. I should test it against mine that I'm giving away. Muffler and intake mod vs stock.
A 200 series husky is always a hit. That 268 cleaned up and ported a bit would be a good one.
Thanks for the video. How did you weld onto the muffler? braze, mig, tig, flux? Also what size outlet if you don't mind me asking. Accidentally ordered a 4510 instead of a 4910, so i guess i will stick with it...
Mig. But I just bought a roll of silver solder, so I will be trying that in the future.
The 4910 isn't exactly a show stopper in stock configuration. It drove me to actually first limiter cap removal and I am considering muffler modification too.
I will say the video side by side is nice but you worked the saw much more on the after modification cut and just let the saws weight do the work on the first one. So it's not quite an apples to.oalles comparison. I would guess the stock saw would have justt bogged down if worked harder though. I returned my 4510 immediately on trying it out and got the 4910.
I'll say both are completely disappointing saws.
Nice job man ..
What diameter of port on muffler do you prefer to open . I scare if I open to much i lose power ...
That’s the custom Ricky Bobby exhaust modification huh 🤔 I think my 3510 stock would shit on that saw stock. But looks like ya got it a lot better.
Prolly would have gone with orange paint over bright red, just me lol
I got to give you one thing should have been an actor that tree going over can you play that so good I understand hit a little truck we all messed up but that was pretty cool
I've never seen that saw being advertised as a professional saw. Not even in their product catalogs or on Echo's website. Come to think of it, I've never seen a rear handle clamshell design saw advertised as a professional saw.
They say it has a "45.0 cc professional-grade, 2-stroke engine". Total malarkey.
@The Novice Lumberjack Echo has said that about all their engines for as long as I can remember. Even said it about my cs400 and every SRM210 weed eater I used to have. None of those are pro saws or trimmers.
@@novicelumberjack
Yes, engine. Not saw. As you know it takes more than the engine to be s professional grade product. You are thinking of it from an enthusiast / performance standpoint. Echo wants customers to know you are getting something a cut above a Walmart poulan or equivalent homeowner saw. A cut above because the engines are designed to last longer than the typical homeowner piece of equipment. Husqvarna and Stihl don't use that nomenclature on there occasional use tools because they don't meet the requirements or you can bet they would.
@@CutterCH
Exactly. Professional grade engine is different than the whole unit being a professional grade product.
@MrJeepfreak1972 Yep. The engines are built with great and very durable metals. Aka pro-grade materials. Making it a pro-grade engine due to its durability and longevity.
Cs-3510es comes with no limiter caps fully adjustable out of the box 👌 well in Australia it does not sure if it's is like that everywhere
I have the 7310p and the 3510. Didn’t know echo had this model. It’s making me wanna get one lol
How do you find the 7310? I've used Stihl 441 and 660s which I guess are the nearest comparison, my preference is still Echo despite the lower power output because the vibration levels are so low, but I wondered about how heavy the 7310 is.
@@boiledelephant 7310 is worth every penny. its such an underrated saw thatll muscle thru anything. its not too heavy its magnesium so i mean there will be weight. i personally think the 7310 p us balanced better with a 24 inch bar than my ms462 with a 25 inch bar
Heard you say you're in GA, where abouts are you located in GA?
Fairburn
One of the spline tools should fit. I’ve had to at least TRY stuff like that before.
Port that 257, da Cajun builds a wicked saw!!
I vote for raffling off the 365special. But that’s just ME.
Is this saw worth buying it? You said it runs terrible. I was considering getting one to replace my old Stihl MS250 (same displacement and power) but now i have doubts. What saw would you recommend in this class (3hp)?
I would recommend it if you can get your hands dirty and have some mechanical sense. Search my channel for this saw and you will find multiple videos. I remove the carb restrictors and could actually tune it. Runs good now. Totally decent little saw, but you will have to do some adjustments for sure and if you aren't comfortable with that, then get a Husqvarna 450
@@novicelumberjack thanks for reply, i'm affraid doing such mods would result losing warranty and 5 year consumer warranty is biggest + of echo/shindaiwa
I bought a 4910 a few months back and it seems to be a solid saw. Better than ms250 in my opinion. More bar options and very easy to start in the cold
Should raffle a 55 off, I'd be in on that if raffle available to canada
You criticize the echo saw and you praise the Chinese saws WHAT !!!
What do you expect from a 45cc saw??
They can have a lot more beans than this does off the shelf. Trust me, I bought one and it's completely anemic. I'm desperate to tune mine.
Sounds like a pruning saw
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but considering you still keep saying that Echo markets XY and Z as "professional" saws here is where your confusion must come from.
All echo ENGINES meet the 300 hour emissions standard threshold to be considered a "professional" grade engine vs the lower threshold for occasional use type products. They are not saying the that saw is a professional grade saw. It even says in their description on their site, "professional grade, 2 stroke engine". Echos generally use the X designation for their actual professional grade equipment and in the past I believe, before the X designation, the letter P. Some still carry that letter, such as the CS501 P chainsaw.
I see where you're coming from, but..."professional grade" should not be used in ANY literature for this saw. It is purposefully misleading and just a marketing trick. They are trying hard to trick people into thinking this is anything more than a small farm saw. Nothing wrong with a small farm saw. It is a nice little saw that is priced well. And that's it. It is Echos version of the Husqvarna 435, and I'd take a 435 over it any day. There is nothing about it that is professional. But I do get what you're saying, I'm just saying that Echo is exaggerating.
@@novicelumberjack
It's not misleading. They don't say its a professional grade saw, you read that into it and you are the only person I've heard say that. The engines in all their equipment, as far as I know, meet that 300 hour benchmark, as defined by the EPA, I assume, to be considered a professional grade engine. The EPA gives zero forks about power output or clam shell vs mag cases in this determination.
Has anyone ever tried heating the screwdriver up in order to melt the plastic or does that make a worse problem? Just my thinking. Thanks
Port the 60cc wemars!
Dude, chill! 😄 I'll get to it!
I like this saw a lot for the money things killer
There’s not a damn thing wrong with your muffler mod buddy… grinder makes up for the welder I ain’t…it is still holding together then you did good… you can get better and better with practice! You just watch your angles and try to pull more then push and work on your z pattern or play with the different patterns depending upon which type of welding machine you are using… you can cheat and set up a small torch flame and learn to basically use two hands… if you are running a crappy little wire feed welder then by running a torch into your puddle area you burn out the excess oxygen with your torch flame and that makes your flux in your wire feed wire more effective! Cut out your sight hole and work holes in a gallon metal coffee can and get a small bottle of shield gas and make a little “portable hood” with your coffee can… I’ve seen a guy do that and I was very impressed by his ingenuity… if you know how things work then you can make your own tools or create the environment necessary for your project to work correctly! You can hook up a piece of aluminum flex hose and hook it up to your truck’s exhaust pipe and drag that over to your metal piece’s or weld near your truck… the carbon monoxide will disrupt the oxygen content in your little local atmosphere over your weld and let that flux do a better job! We learned to run the hose into the gas tank on the vehicle so we could weld them back together with 1/2 a tank of gasoline still in the tank! Talk about taking a deep breath and checking yourself right before you strike up your ark on the outside of a 1/2 full gas tank!!! Since I was the class clown I got chosen to go first! I thought the old prick was trying to kill me! Or at least pay me back for the harassment!!! LMFFAO! I like raffles! The 306 Poulan! I’d definitely be in!!!
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👍🆙 Big Guy
Port the wemars 60cc on video and wack it off !
offer 200 trade for a new stihl or husky
Raffle off the side by side
Heck no. Now he has a killer little log hauler.