Hollow Knight Boss Tier List

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  • Опубликовано: 7 янв 2025

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  • @michaelbarron9058
    @michaelbarron9058 3 года назад +2021

    I can't believe Atrioc forgot to rank the acid pools. Never forget where you started, Big A

    • @savary5050
      @savary5050 3 года назад +74

      0/10 "Impossible"
      -Atrioc probably

    • @Jake-ie7ko
      @Jake-ie7ko 3 года назад +71

      He named a category after it "rancid dogwater"

    • @iveharzing
      @iveharzing 3 года назад +4

      Literal RANCID DOGWATER

  • @ALtheBoi
    @ALtheBoi 3 года назад +321

    Atrioc going from struggling with simple platforming to becoming a full-on Hollow Knight nerd is one of the best character arcs

  • @donimmer
    @donimmer 3 года назад +310

    Still shocked at how impactful mantis lords are as a boss fight. Ingenious design.

    • @ghostkill221
      @ghostkill221 3 года назад +54

      It's also nuts that they are able to do that so early in the game. Like most other early game bosses are easy because you don't have that much skill/power/ability, yet Mantis Lords manage to be a fun challenge that makes you feel goated.

    • @luo__________
      @luo__________ 3 года назад +19

      They genuinely make you better

    • @Lonely_Froggy256
      @Lonely_Froggy256 3 года назад +2

      I somehow missed them and didnt find them until I had pure nail and I really wish I found way earlier

    • @grepenoop
      @grepenoop Год назад

      The Ingenious Design of the Aluminum Beverage Can

  • @lloydwalker3455
    @lloydwalker3455 3 года назад +217

    Nobody gets that sigma grindset quite like zote, S++ deserved only the real will understand

  • @AdrienPyke
    @AdrienPyke 3 года назад +147

    Radiant Markoth is one of the most bullshit things I've ever done in a videogame. grinded it for hours, beat it once, and I'm never doing it again

    • @erlandochoa8278
      @erlandochoa8278 3 года назад +43

      I stopped playing Hollow Knight because of that boss, after seeing Atrioc beat the game I didn’t want to be out-done by an old, one foot in the grave, receding hairline, wrinkly old boomer so I tried it again, played for 2,5 hours, got to the second phase like 5 times during that entire time and then ragequit the game. Coming back with the grindset soon though

    • @iveharzing
      @iveharzing 3 года назад +11

      @@erlandochoa8278 I found a way to skip the entire second phase, just use Spell Twister and Shaman Stone (and Nailmaster's Glory for the 1st phase).
      Don't use a single spell until you he spawns his second shield, then, *absolutely BLAST* him with Shade Soul while he's spinning his shields, kills him every time.

    • @medekhgui
      @medekhgui 2 года назад

      His reaction markoth whilst he was running through POH gave it away that he'd at least attempted it.

  • @Rusty._
    @Rusty._ 3 года назад +177

    "Lost Kin" more like "Trash Bin"

    • @zacharygendreau6470
      @zacharygendreau6470 3 года назад +13

      Thank you rusty, very cool

    • @KhoiV
      @KhoiV 3 года назад +13

      *laugh track*

    • @ggez4494
      @ggez4494 3 года назад +1

      Thank you rusty, lost kin is shit

    • @reneelucero2923
      @reneelucero2923 3 года назад +5

      Lost Kin is awesome!!!! It was super hard the first time I fought him but now I actually love to do it for fun

    • @xxjuancena80xx24
      @xxjuancena80xx24 3 года назад

      Hello checkmark

  • @fletcher8263
    @fletcher8263 3 года назад +88

    so hyped to watch atrioc play Silksong and fall into acid 100 times over again while learning hornet's new schmovement

  • @gamean5873
    @gamean5873 3 года назад +86

    I'm still really sad we didn't get more hollow knight videos on most of his playthrough on this channel

    • @alexfresh8951
      @alexfresh8951 3 года назад +7

      watch the vods on his twitch channel. i am youtube only. but i watched 35hours gameplay of his hk playthrough. it was fantastic

  • @themistercoolest
    @themistercoolest 3 года назад +80

    I’m so happy that the game is finally starting to get some big streamers/RUclipsrs playing it! I think it’s one of the greatest games I have ever played

    • @tobiasjennerjahn8659
      @tobiasjennerjahn8659 3 года назад +13

      I‘ve owned hollow knight for years, but never really got into it. Picked it up again because of atrioc and cannot put it down. I didn‘t watch the streams, just some of the videos here, so I‘m still mostly spoiler free regarding the lore and it‘s awesome. Such a beautiful game. Really glad I gave it another shot.
      Edit: And I definitely feel the same about the mantis lords fight. It‘s just difficult enough to be a real challenge without being frustrating.

    • @dodgyjimbo4120
      @dodgyjimbo4120 3 года назад +4

      @@tobiasjennerjahn8659 legit same im now at the PoH after grinding all week

  • @thermic3934
    @thermic3934 3 года назад +45

    10:15 love cloth’s new battle cry

    • @moonsquid9310
      @moonsquid9310 3 года назад

      i didnt realize how perfect it lined up, i was more focused on wtf the noise was and where it came from

    • @No-ss4dz
      @No-ss4dz 3 года назад +1

      @@moonsquid9310 W OMEGALUL RK

    • @moonsquid9310
      @moonsquid9310 3 года назад

      @@No-ss4dz what does WORK have to do with what i said, nice cat pfp btw very cute

    • @No-ss4dz
      @No-ss4dz 3 года назад +1

      @@moonsquid9310 That's the noise it makes when he gets a message from work, happens all the time on stream

    • @moonsquid9310
      @moonsquid9310 3 года назад +1

      @@No-ss4dz ahhhh ok thank you! im a youtube frog so i had no idea what it was

  • @jdubluffy1959
    @jdubluffy1959 3 года назад +76

    Markoth is literally just rng the boss

    • @mr.gullible2506
      @mr.gullible2506 3 года назад +11

      I’m legitimately at a loss for why they added him in as a boss. Not his normal version which is fine but his fucking ascended version is the dumbest piece of shit in the entire game by far.

    • @jdubluffy1959
      @jdubluffy1959 Год назад

      Based take man 🔥🔥🔥😮‍💨👌👌

  • @legg6221
    @legg6221 6 месяцев назад +2

    To this day I've never seen a better video on this platform

  • @aikentang
    @aikentang 10 месяцев назад +4

    Who else is here after the community post by the Big "Glizzard Wizard" A himself.

  • @SwagMoneyIndustries
    @SwagMoneyIndustries 3 года назад +27

    You made me buy hollow knight. I loved your hollow knight streams, and when it went on sale on steam two days ago, i had to buy. Im really loving it so far

  • @hogmuncher
    @hogmuncher 8 месяцев назад +3

    I come back to this video every time I really need to fall asleep, thanks Big A for this masterpiece

  • @capetshino1459
    @capetshino1459 5 месяцев назад +1

    Had to come back to this banger! Truly the best video A-meister has ever made…

  • @CeeMonay
    @CeeMonay 3 года назад +7

    Atrioc inspired me to get back into Hollow Knight and I've been loving it, but HOLY SHIT Watcher Knights were the tensest thing EVER. The entire fight was so difficult that by the end I popped off so hard after I finally killed that last one. Best fight so far for me honestly.

  • @StillTheGoat
    @StillTheGoat 3 года назад +18

    Hay Atrioc! I just want to say that, because of you, I started playing Hollow Knight, and I got hooked. I mean 10 hours a day hooked. I have been playing for 4 days, and man. This Trial of Fools shit. haha. 6 hrs so far and have yet to beat it. Fuck i hate this trial of fools shit. But besides that it do be a cool game.

    • @Ichthyodactyl
      @Ichthyodactyl 3 года назад +1

      Beating the Trial of Fools is so satisfying though. Hope you managed to finish it by now.

  • @whippersnapper7632
    @whippersnapper7632 3 года назад +8

    Atrioc put Zote in S tier because he's a fellow senior citizen

  • @EliiteMc
    @EliiteMc 3 года назад +7

    I don't think steel soul is particularly fun, but I HUGELY recommend doing an item randomizer, its super fun and really tests your abilities to problem solve

  • @-opie-
    @-opie- 3 года назад +24

    the glizzy god himself is back at it again

  • @sebastianriverolozano229
    @sebastianriverolozano229 3 года назад +23

    He’s gonna pop off with Celeste

    • @ghostkill221
      @ghostkill221 10 месяцев назад +1

      Hahaha hahaha

    • @Bob13454
      @Bob13454 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@ghostkill221 Naw trust, he'll play Celeste right after he plays silksong (which will never come out)

  • @ghostkill221
    @ghostkill221 3 года назад +1

    It may have taken me like 1k channel points of highlighting messages, but eventually I got him to make this. Thank god.

  • @Spnsr-db9mv
    @Spnsr-db9mv 3 года назад +6

    The mantis lords fight for me is the coolest fight in the whole game, but I can agree with most of your list

  • @Derouge
    @Derouge 3 года назад +4

    ngl the amount of death's you had from acid pools I thought you weren't gonna stick with it. But you did and I am glad that you did cause HK is one of the best platformer game sick vid Big A.

  • @annoy4nce648
    @annoy4nce648 3 года назад +1

    One of the devs made a video of himself beating radiant markoth 4 times in a row, and I have never felt so insulted

  • @ColeRodgersX
    @ColeRodgersX 10 месяцев назад +7

    who here from the community post

  • @racheltii5365
    @racheltii5365 3 года назад +2

    Hornet and mantis lords make me feel like a ninja

  • @johnnytsunami420
    @johnnytsunami420 3 года назад +1

    Ludwig was so off-base saying this video was bad. Big A can make almost anything interesting

  • @levimercer92
    @levimercer92 3 года назад +2

    I have been facing Soul Tyrant for like 4 hours, basically going zero hits in the first phase for 10 minutes then dying on the second phase from orbs spawning on me.

    • @atrioc
      @atrioc  3 года назад +2

      :( was honestly the 3rd hardest boss for me in hall of gods. 2nd phase was really annoying and 1st phase is really long, tests patience. GOOD LUCK YOU WILL GET IT!

    • @levimercer92
      @levimercer92 3 года назад

      @@atrioc thanks big dawg, only downside to this game are those time consuming bosses but its probably good for pacing. I haven't been this invested in a game since I was a teenager, 10/10

  • @hoopdoodlz881
    @hoopdoodlz881 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for sticking with the game man. It was really fun to watch my favorite streamer play my favorite game. Keep up the good work Big A.

  • @aero_spaced6977
    @aero_spaced6977 3 года назад +2

    couldnt agree more about mantis lords and grimm. some of the best designed bosses ive ever encountered

  • @colem209
    @colem209 2 года назад +1

    Seeing how different people struggle on different things in this game is pretty funny. I first tried watcher nights without shadow dash or even knowing about the chandalier thing, but delete the game while struggling with the bee knight fight.

  • @jelle7472
    @jelle7472 10 месяцев назад +1

    Still an absolute masterpiece!
    Had to watch it again

  • @tomasayala627
    @tomasayala627 10 месяцев назад +1

    I am here from 2024, I am falling in the atroic rabbit hole. Please send help

  • @Huvanec
    @Huvanec Год назад +2

    Love coming here to rewatch this piece of masterclass level entertainment.

  • @jaskaransethy
    @jaskaransethy 10 месяцев назад +2

    came here to rewatch this thanks to the latest community post

  • @brbtexting6595
    @brbtexting6595 2 года назад +1

    Genuinely the best video on this entire platform

  • @c0diz
    @c0diz 3 года назад +2

    i kinda like the whomegalul soul warrior because it has the same moves as the sisters of battle so its good practice for that
    edit: i just liked my own comment thinking it ws someone else's, i forgot i commented

  • @SubHumanGaming
    @SubHumanGaming 7 месяцев назад

    I was told on stream to come watch this, so here I am. Good video

  • @rognin5603
    @rognin5603 3 года назад

    "Can not wait for silksong" haha I can feel the pain of an entire comunity in this phrase weird

  • @aarondeyoung6315
    @aarondeyoung6315 3 года назад +1

    You have inspired me to go back to the pantheon of hollownest.
    Thanks

  • @will5768
    @will5768 3 года назад +15

    Just Started playing hollow knight cause of you already got 12 hours

  • @Skeletor_414
    @Skeletor_414 3 года назад +2

    Everytime I hear silksong I become sad.

  • @tectonical5347
    @tectonical5347 3 года назад +1

    radiant markoth is the only radiant boss i havent beat, and the only one i will never beat because 1 more shiny statue doesnt feeel worth the pain, so i agree 100%

  • @etienne275
    @etienne275 3 года назад +1

    A fun story about my experience with watcher knights:
    So I beat them like on my 2nd or 3rd time on my first playthrough, thanks to weaversong and wall clinging (I had pretty low equipment too), but I think that I got very very VERY lucky with rng that time, because once I tried again in the hall of gods and other playthroughs... it didn’t work once lol. Yeah... so that’s a strat I guess. But then I thought that they were super overrated because I beat them almost instantly, but I quickly found out that I just got lucky.

    • @Ichthyodactyl
      @Ichthyodactyl 3 года назад

      Maybe got a little lucky but also did things in a very different order than a lot of people. Most people don't tend to get lantern before Mantis Lords so they tend not to explore Deepnest until much later. The sort of 'standard' line would lead you right into West City of Tears and Watcher Knights after Mantis Lords. What I love about this game though is that everyone seems to have one or two bosses that they just struggle with while they easily beat bosses that other people scratch their head at. I got the hang of Mantis Lords really easy but I got wrecked by Soul Master easily a dozen times in my first playthrough and I know people who had exactly opposite experiences.

  • @joshuaevans4249
    @joshuaevans4249 Год назад

    Just came back to admire Atrioc's Magnum Opus: The Hollow Knight Tier List

  • @hazza1834
    @hazza1834 3 года назад +16

    This is a certified Atrioc classic

    • @Cgaffman
      @Cgaffman 3 года назад

      Oh no, the “certified Atrioc classic” infection is spreading to this channel too

    • @hazza1834
      @hazza1834 3 года назад +3

      @@Cgaffman This is a certified Caden Da Bobby classic

  • @corndogjuice509
    @corndogjuice509 3 года назад +1

    Zote is kinda like Loki, that is why I love the boss so much

  • @yami_the_witch
    @yami_the_witch Год назад

    I think it really speaks to Hollow Knights quality that people rank the bosses so similarly. No matter your skill or playstyle, the bosses that are good and hype are good and hype universally.

  • @tatumbaca5778
    @tatumbaca5778 3 года назад +2

    Brandon Nvidia GlizzyHands the second makes an astounding tier list for his favorite game hollow knight. How dashing.

  • @prodres1dent
    @prodres1dent 3 года назад +1

    2:27 what about Charon in hades

  • @SupCass
    @SupCass 3 года назад

    In Dungeons and Dragons Heroes for the original Xbox the shopkeeper Rik Is actually the final boss, I always loved that twist.

  • @joshhart2445
    @joshhart2445 10 месяцев назад

    It’s crazy how much better of a streamer atrooch has become

  • @jrdnanitsua
    @jrdnanitsua 3 года назад +1

    Sometimes you have evidence, other times you have opinion, Yes Atrioc!

  • @jamespreston922
    @jamespreston922 3 года назад +1

    Another great video. Well done quack you are really carrying the entire atriocFAM on your back

  • @agentleprichaun819
    @agentleprichaun819 Месяц назад

    My favorite atrioc video by far

  • @poptutt8232
    @poptutt8232 Год назад +1

    If keep watching this video on loop, eventually it will become Atrioc's most viewed video.

  • @alteredkill6109
    @alteredkill6109 3 года назад

    I know this isn’t going to be a big video of big A’s but I’m still gonna watch and love it

  • @crazywavybaby
    @crazywavybaby 2 года назад +1

    this is my comfort video

  • @bigdood230
    @bigdood230 2 месяца назад +1

    cannot wait for silk song? Interesting

  • @soulbound16
    @soulbound16 3 года назад

    Once i figured out i could pogo my way through the 3rd phase of absolute radiance it became a goddamn cakewalk.
    Was a pleasure watching u go through this game tho, awesome stuff!

  • @Solar_183
    @Solar_183 10 месяцев назад +1

    Absolute masterclass by the glizzy glizzy coffee cow. Up there with other masterclass classics such as George Bush’s.

  • @soulofartorias9928
    @soulofartorias9928 3 года назад +1

    as a huge hollow knight fan, this is a great tier list

  • @Brandongamesall
    @Brandongamesall 3 года назад

    I am happy to hear that this was not the most accurate. It was PERFECT!

  • @johntobin3960
    @johntobin3960 10 месяцев назад

    A true and real Brandon “Atrioc” Ewing classic

  • @Cgaffman
    @Cgaffman 3 года назад

    Ok, I was literally looking for a hollow knight boss ranking when this came up!

  • @picklechinazzboi2991
    @picklechinazzboi2991 3 года назад

    11:10 how many people were like me and didn’t even have dream nail before defeating these fuckers

  • @nickringer3913
    @nickringer3913 3 года назад +1

    love atrioc editors putting omori music in the background

  • @David-nh8hi
    @David-nh8hi 3 года назад

    The only atrioc tier list I will agree with. I still remember the disaster that was the Disney tier list.

  • @tksnail6837
    @tksnail6837 3 года назад

    shopkeeper becoming a boss, havent seen that in other games
    Charon: ...

  • @krazykid-jj9cx
    @krazykid-jj9cx 3 года назад +12

    Hollow Knight is a masterpiece for 15 dollars, on all gaming platforms, made by three people.

    • @bruhmoment1835
      @bruhmoment1835 3 года назад

      It looks really boring. When he was going on about how "It's one of the best designed fights in VG history. It looks so impressive" all I could think is how it's just another sidescroller boss fight we've been seeing for the past 30 years. What's so good about this game?

    • @cty345
      @cty345 3 года назад +5

      @@bruhmoment1835 creative world, fluid movement, character customization which really effects your playstyle, goated bosses, great music, its not just another sidescroller it is the pinnacle.

    • @FyreofShadow
      @FyreofShadow 3 года назад +3

      @@bruhmoment1835 If you think hollow knight is "Just another sidescroller" you need to actually play the game and prove yourself wrong.

  • @silentm1082
    @silentm1082 3 года назад

    LETS GOOO NEW THUMBNAIL FACES

  • @IkEisawesome7
    @IkEisawesome7 3 года назад

    Having never player Hollow Knight and having never watched anyone play it, I really enjoyed this video

  • @guest1091
    @guest1091 3 года назад +1

    has Big A done the Eternal Ordeal?

  • @TheAzala
    @TheAzala 3 года назад

    Radiance was kinda underwhelming for me and it only took a few tries.
    Mostly because I grinded NKG and beat him.

  • @bigchungus7969
    @bigchungus7969 3 года назад

    I am not happy with my placement - Zote

  • @jeffreyfairbanks5242
    @jeffreyfairbanks5242 3 года назад

    Atrioc you should consider playing dark souls on stream if you liked the difficulty of hollow knight, where it’s your fault every time you die and super satisfying to beat a boss

  • @chuck_duck
    @chuck_duck 3 года назад

    Some bosses I really like:
    Traitor lord is incredible environment storytelling.
    Uumuu in the Hall of Gods/Pantheons is a pretty good boss IMO. But I can see why others don’t like him.
    False knight is one of my favorites because of where you are in the game when you fight him. It’s something I look forward to every time I replay, just to see how much better I am now than I was before. It’s a reminder of how far I’ve come.
    Radiance = D for me. I’ve never beaten Abs Rad because I never made it to the end of Pantheon of Hallownest (I hate pantheon 5, because it’s just pantheon 4 but you need to wait 40 minutes between attempts and then get your ass kicked at the end) I think regular Radiance is a repetitive boss whose only variety comes from RNG teleportation. It’s a cool event, not a cool boss.
    Grimm is repetitive as fuck. Cool the first time. Boring after. And they make you fight him before Pure Vessel and Abs Rad every time.

  • @aaronklinker8269
    @aaronklinker8269 3 года назад

    Really motivating me to try out hollow night, it's been in my backlog for years

  • @djhutchison
    @djhutchison 2 года назад +1

    Did he just skip talking about False Knight/Failed Champion altogether?

  • @BigOleMatty
    @BigOleMatty 3 года назад

    Hollow Knight: Zote's Journey coming 2027.

  • @AntonyP24
    @AntonyP24 3 года назад +1

    I don’t even want to attempt nightmare Grimm

    • @masterspork3735
      @masterspork3735 3 года назад +7

      do it he said it's fun

    • @LvLocks1915
      @LvLocks1915 3 года назад +5

      I know this can be said about any boss but NKG feels impossible at 1st but when you grind it out he becomes easy just gotta learn.

  • @Spidove
    @Spidove 3 года назад

    Only real ones remember the first thumbnail

  • @sircheese288
    @sircheese288 3 года назад

    This is a Cheese certified tier list, well done!

  • @altagos9265
    @altagos9265 3 года назад

    hmmm pure vessel or NKG. which do I like more... probably grim but I don't know

    • @altagos9265
      @altagos9265 3 года назад

      i have beaten them both in radiant. so i mean i got the experience. but which... is... better...

  • @Pope_
    @Pope_ 3 года назад +5

    You believe Atrioc completed all encounters in Hall of Gods (HoG) on radiant off stream when he spent his prior 4 stream sessions struggling on Pantheon of Hollownest (PoH)? Atrioc streamed ~11 hours’ worth of attempts (I counted 12 total attempts) in 4 days. On his second to last stream you can see that he had not completed radiant Soul Tyrant or radiant Dung Defender. On his final stream when he completed PoH he said that the reason why he took longer to go live was because he was busy completing all the unfinished bosses on radiant off stream “all day today”. This is nonsense. Anyone who believes this lie likely has not attempted the more difficult radiant encounters in HoG or completed PoH with no bindings. Anyone who has completed both knows the vast difference in skill that is required between the two. There is zero chance he completed whatever he had not finished in HoG before his stream with his current skill, and it is not a coincidence that he chose not to complete HoG on stream but claims to have done so legitimately.

    • @DavinFIGJAM.
      @DavinFIGJAM. 3 года назад +1

      You believe Atrioc completed all encounters in Hall of Gods (HoG) on radiant off stream when he spent his prior 4 stream sessions struggling on Pantheon of Hollownest (PoH)? Atrioc streamed ~11 hours’ worth of attempts (I counted 12 total attempts) in 4 days. On his second to last stream you can see that he had not completed radiant Soul Tyrant or radiant Dung Defender. On his final stream when he completed PoH he said that the reason why he took longer to go live was because he was busy completing all the unfinished bosses on radiant off stream “all day today”. This is nonsense. Anyone who believes this lie likely has not attempted the more difficult radiant encounters in HoG or completed PoH with no bindings. Anyone who has completed both knows the vast difference in skill that is required between the two. There is zero chance he completed whatever he had not finished in HoG before his stream with his current skill, and it is not a coincidence that he chose not to complete HoG on stream but claims to have done so legitimately.

    • @Purriah
      @Purriah 3 года назад

      Lol

  • @CoffeeFields101
    @CoffeeFields101 3 года назад

    I want to see some of his streams of it on his twitch, but I don’t know which streams he’s played the game in

    • @powerpug964
      @powerpug964 3 года назад +1

      Just go to his vod channel, they are numbered

  • @diggitydingdong
    @diggitydingdong 3 года назад

    Saving this vid for after I 112% the game, started playing after watching u complete it, but saving it till after for no spoilers!!

  • @pattykcake
    @pattykcake 3 года назад

    stopped watching stream to check out new atrioc video POGGIES

  • @blondie1237
    @blondie1237 3 года назад

    Fire vid bro

  • @rndmprsn161
    @rndmprsn161 Год назад +1

    if he doesn't return for silksong I'll km$

  • @bezx2
    @bezx2 3 года назад +1

    New thumbnail reaction??

  • @jacobbassam6616
    @jacobbassam6616 3 года назад

    Big A! You should do some videos with some other creators from the hollow knight community. Maybe some speed runners! It would be awesome too if you guys figured out a bros vs pros in hollow knight.

  • @dr_omelette8168
    @dr_omelette8168 3 года назад +1

    Could we get an atrioc vs sekiro?

  • @nicroseamelia4880
    @nicroseamelia4880 3 года назад +1

    Get Ludwig to play this game please

  • @sunbear2340
    @sunbear2340 2 года назад

    He peaked with this video fr

  • @engandaus8815
    @engandaus8815 3 года назад +2

    Mantis lords is the best no other opinion is correct

  • @weightedcompanioncube8415
    @weightedcompanioncube8415 3 года назад

    Was this during the most recent stream? Or a different one anyone know?

  • @dyll_pyckle
    @dyll_pyckle 3 года назад +2

    Zote is such a goated character. Very underrated imo and one of my favorites. I wish the Hollow Knight Kickstarter got funded a bit more so we could have that Zote game. Would've loved to see how that would've turned out