I also bought a 2yr old Mii Electric back in August and I agree with everything you said except your comments about it not being a motorway car. I use mine every day on a 75 mile each way commute mainly on motorways with a bit of 'town' driving at the end and it's absolutely brilliant. Range wise expect about 135-140 miles on a full charge at a 60-70mph pace so I have to do a top up charge at some point during the day, but that's still brilliant economy. I love mine :-)
I went down the same path but bought the Zoe in mid August - a close decision but I need to cover 140 and 180 mile runs now and again. I think the arrival of affordable 2nd hand EVs is a huge issue that starts the process of making EVs available to people who don't buy new and don't lease cars.
You've desribed me perfectly! I don't understand why so much focus is put on pcp's, lease plans etc. when there must be thousands out there like me, who have no interest/intention of leasing, and will happily let others take the massive depreciation hit when driving a new car off the forecourt. I am torn between the Zoe, and the Skoda/Seat/ VW trio though.
@@JenniferHall-o6s I was impressed with the number of reviewers who loved driving the VAG car but it is smaller with less range and a bit slower if that makes a difference - depends on your planned usage. We have been very happy with our 7000mile Zoe - a few days short of 2 years old when bought for 12700 from main dealer. Drove 190miles home with 70+ range still showing.
I think the Zoe will win. Periodically, we need to visit family which is a 154 mile round trip, plus any other running around we do at the same time. I've been keeping an eye on one which has just gone down by £ 1000 surprisingly. Could be a trip to the dealer in the week.
I am going to buy a used ev but still have fear - what battery will do after 10 years? I can see many videos of Tesla S owners (older 9 years) and there are many battery issues. One or more battery cell can fail and you have to change whole battery pack(Tesla) or module (Kona, ID3 etc..)...
It was the VW Group's first EV (2012),. Goes to show that the old tech is often the best, no active and energy wasting battery cooling/heating management, no silly over sized battery pack that adds weight, Yes the wheels spin on wet roads, I highly recommend getting rid of the stock tyres (Good Year Efficient grip) and getting some decent 4 season ones, it's a game changer! About the Seat App, it's a pity you didn't address the problem earlier, being a VW Group connectivity ambassador, I could have helped you with that one ;-). I'm sure you'll enjoy the little EV, we absolutely love our E-UP!
I bought mine in August after watching many of your videos and your review of the Citigo. We had an Up! in 2014 and loved it. This one is even better and faster. Absolutely LOVE our Mii. 2021, 3K miles, 11,900 all in.
Completely right about patience and taking the opportunity when you find it. Too many purchases (not just cars) are made when you have to and you are hamstrung with what's available at the time or without due consideration of what would be sensible. The only way to get a deal is be ready when you see one - and not 'have to' get it there and then.
Wife loves her E-Up, which may differ from the SEAT in having the worlds smallest rear view camera, we had a non working heated seat which had the seat elements changed under warrenty, manage to get up to 6miles/kwh in the summer, efficiency tends to drop like a stone with the temperature, a fun little car prefer it to my Ioniq 5 in some ways
I love my eUP! too - even the hilarious rear-view camera that's all of 2 inches diagonal. I also have the heated seat issue - will need to get that sorted soon. Beware of the range guess-o-meter - in my experience it tends to either wildly overestimate or wildly underestimate the potential range.
good review - we bought a 2 yr old Mazda MX-30 for £14k - absolute bargain and brillinat car - range about 125 at the moment but tbh it never goes anywhere near that on a dialy drive ...
Re the switch. Try gentle prying it out - just the. Bit you press no t the whole switch. May be barbs top and bottom. Just did something similar. On my Octy climate system today . In side that one there seems to be a carbonised? Tiny pad also a rubber “ tube “ for want of a better word which seems to act as a soft return spring( doesn’t come out) give the pad a wipe, snapped it back in and done . I had two buttons similar worked on both - best of luck
I'm currently saving up for one of these - of the three, my favourite is the Seat as well. I suspect that the VW group took the decision to stop making these is because they were so popular and they thought they were going to miss out on the massive profits of the bigger vehicles. This is truly a fantastic second car.
We own two VW e-Ups and we absolutely love them. If you can get one (or a Mii/Citigo), go for it. Just one thing, though. Our cars have the full spec. At least here in germany you couldn't get the heated windscreen and the rear parking camera for the Mii or the Citigo. I personally find these features quite useful and would really miss them if they weren't there. Just my 2 cents...
@@tanja2651thanks for that insight. These requirements are forcing companies to make big, heavy, inefficient and expensive cars with loads of safety gadgets which will eventually go wrong and cost a fortune to fix. Meanwhile some simple functions get buried in a touchscreen, distracting drivers from the road! Madness.
@@tanja2651strangelly I bought Mii from Germany and it has heated windshield. But no camera and no buttons on the steering wheel. But on a plus side the fabric of the seats is of better quality and better looking than on Up. And the ceiling is black.
Hi EVM - Great choice, my 2021 Mii Electric has been brilliant over the almost 3 years I have had it…. Almost fault free. You have the same fault, the driver heated seat faulting out is a known fault and will be replaced under warranty as mine was in January. Regularly get 4.5 mp/kWh good luck. Agreed it was bonkers for VW group to kill the triplets, my guess that they were losing money on every one produced.
What a great find and the efficiency is amazing. It certainly shows that smaller cars work well as EV's if the price is right. Add in the over 200 miles of range and it can work very well in most situations.
I sold my Mii a year ago for over £17000. We loved it but we were going down to one car and sold our Pandas 4x4 as well. We always look back with some regret because we loved both. The Seat averaged over 5 ml/kWhr during our ownership. Brilliant. A major problem for us was the seats were not comfortable on longer journeys. We bought the MG4 (LFP battery) and when I first drove it, (Nov 2022), I thought there was something wrong with it because it seemed so inefficient - I thought all ev's should be close to 5ml/kWhr in winter, how naive.
I've been contemplating replacing my ageing Meriva with an EV. I've already leased one from work, and Audi Q4, so my missus is using the Meriva and she's not overly keen on it. So this video is really interesting, because not only is the Mii right in the size window she'd be looking for, but it looks pretty well specced, it's a decent looking car, and underneath it's essentially a VW with a different badge. I'm seriously considering it, although I dare say trying to fund one right now is out of the question. Also, this is where I have to say a massive thanks to the EV haters. Because to them, the fence-sitters appear to be turning away from the used EV market and causing them to become much cheaper. So yeah, thanks to all you dinosaurs who hate change, you're making it much easier for me to save money!!
I have been considering a Seat Mii as a replacement of our 107. It looks like it would be very similar in size and has the basic controls that we like. It looks like the perfect first EV. Did test drive a MG4, but the software problems and specification is above my requirements, also the early adopters seem to be being used to develop the car. I looking for something you just get in and drive.
Brilliant, thanks for updating 😁. Had a lot of problems with the app too, esim reactivated now. Which app were you using on the phone please, Drive Mii or Connect as the screen didnt look like Connect. Bought our May 21 Mii electric around 9000 miles, in September for £11k and as you say the small numbers available on Autotrader seem to be going up for more £'s. Just to say theres a friendly FB group for Mii electric owners, over 650 members 👍😁
The Up has an all glass tailgate, the Mii and Citygo have half steel ones. They stopped making them because they were losing money on each one built after the pandemic due to component costs.
We loved our Seat Mii Electric. The only reason I sold it was because I was offered £1,300 more than I paid for it. First time I ever made money on a car. The build quality is excellent. The efficiency is unmatched by our Tesla or MG4. The fun factor was higher too. Totally understand your enthusiasm and joy.
@@hughmacdonald1911 Hi. Overall, taking into account our need to travel 200 plus miles quite regularly, the MG4 wins on its charging speed - which is double of that of the Seat Mii. The battery on the MG4 is LFP, so that's a plus. If we were only doing short trips and wanted a cheaper option, I would go for the Seat. Otherwise, the newer, more technically advanced, longer rage MG4 would be my choice.
We bought a 3 year old Mii (only 6k miles) back in September. 250 mile journey home was easy with a couple of quick CCS charges. 7+m/kwh in warmer weather. Have done the VCDS changes to sort the Climate to remember previous setting - still need to sort the lane tracing. Set charge limit to 80% and it’s perfect
One of difference between the Citigo and the UP is inner rear wheel arches this makes UP a lot quieter in the wet (you can retro fit this if you can find the part no.) Overall both cars are brilliant. Also you can select the colour you want in the radio in the menus
I used to get mii hire cars when our Leon was in for a service. And in the rain it was loud! Now I know why. Arches not insulated.That said at least there's no rust trap later on. The mii drove well and felt fun. The 1.0 60bhp even feeling quite nippy in a car this light. So can imagine the EV feels nippy.
Definitely worthy of a look as a second car, my girlfriends old focus only did 4000k a year and this would be ideal. I agree with you about batch snobbery, our SEAT Alhambra is basically a VW Sharan and about £3k cheaper even though better spec.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, these are some of the best EVs on sale. Test drove both this and the VW Up 2+ years ago now and found them both brilliant. I own and drive a 10 year old ICE VW Up but the EV version was just more refined, solid, and fun. And yes, the efficiency incredible. But when I test drove them BOTH were unavailable new. In fact on the way to the VW test drive he called to say VW had just stopped all orders! I also believe they (VW Group) want better better profit margins on their bigger less good EVs and not on simple but brilliant cars like this. There can be no other reason. This car would suit many many people.
Such a good little runaround. I loved my petrol Mii (first car)- I remember when I was shopping around and comparing a load of second hand petrol Mii, Citigo and Up! ~7 years ago. The Mii was cheapest with most tech, my budget was cheapest Citigo and mid-range Mii and the Up! was just too expensive. It really makes no sense at all when they are identical cars. Literally every component says “VW” on them, I’ve still got the faulty accelerator peddle from my Mii and it says “VW” on it!! Definitely a wise purchase with the Mii.
The up! owners club forum is worth a look for the heated seat issue. I bought new and ended up with an e-up! rather than a mii because I was able to get the up! more quickly from stock but it would be hard to justify going Vw for a second hand purchase. I’d offer the e-up for a comparison video but you would have to come to Caithness.
We’re currently considering what to buy as our 2nd EV and I think this will be a good option. It would be perfect for a 15 mile round trip taking the kids to school or my wife going to either of her 2 local offices. Another informative and helpful video. Keep em coming EVM 👍🏾
@@GordieK it’s a bit small in the rear and those suicide doors aren’t the most practical solution for a school run, but prices are definitely coming down. Plus we do like Mazdas, just found MX-30 wasn’t suitable as our main family car 👍🏾
plenty of room in the back for adults.... loads of headroom for a 6ft adult (have been there) but yeah the suicide doors arent optimum for family life . @@marvinsamuels1237
Great idea. Tried to buy one from cinch. Can't take cc payment in 2 hits (credit limit) won't increase without full credit check. Have money in current a/c. Bank doesn't appear on cinch list. Octopus and pod both want your money for fitting a charging point, without committing to a fit date. Unacceptable! So given up.
My aunt has had the electric version Mii for a couple of years and loves it. The petrol version is great too but given how these cars arw used, the electric version is the obvious choice
Great episode. Congrats on the purchase. Sadly, none of the e-Up!, Citigo or Mii siblings came to Australia. Envious. Hmm. Wonder if importing is an option?
I bought a 3 month old petrol VW Up in 2016 as a temporary car when my Land Rover fell apart, paid £7,500. Now done 55k miles, so far have only had to replace tyres and brake disks. Group 1 insurance, 55mpg. Took it to the local garage to see what it's worth trade in.......£5k. £2,500 depreciation in 7 years. I'll never go back to big flash cars.
Rather than never going back to big flash cars why not buy one AFTER the massive depreciation has kicked in? I was looking at a Jaguar i-pace (£75 k new but around £35 k now). Might pay £35 k for such a nice car but would NEVER pay that sort of money NEW (not that I could afford to anyway)😅
@@harrycorry3772 I used to drive BMWS, Land Rovers blindly. After getting the Up, which was only meant to be a car for a few weeks, I'm honestly converted. I drive a mile now for pennies. It's been bulletproof, easy to park and basically perfect for my needs. I just wish I'd discovered them earlier.
@@reddeviluk Understand the economy aspect but depends what you want from your driving. Personally, I just like going for a drive so what's most important to me is a smooth, comfortable drive inside as luxurious a car as I can afford. I could opt for a cheap, basic EV but if I don't like driving it then it's no use to me at all.
thhey stopped making it because it was too good. they were worried about id 3 sales. but germany is getting rid of the substidies therefore cars are going to get cheaper and smaller again. otherwhise they wont meet their co2 goals. so we have to wait around 12 months. i wouldnt be surprised if they brought it back or if the id2e comes faster than expected to fill its void.
Small EVs are economical and big EVs are thirsty then? Sounds the same as ICE cars? 🤔🙂 I wonder what a small Hyundai would be like? I'm thinking of the difference between the Ioniq 5 and the Kona
We buy any car values my Hyundai Kona Electric 64Kwh Premium SE at £10.5k. It's a 70 plate and not three years old yet. It's done 93k miles is the reason. Despite this, my OBD reader (and basic maths comparing range against economy) indicates the battery health is over 97%.
We have the 2022 E-up as my wife's car. We both love it . Highly chuckable. TBH I retire in a couple of years and as a retirement car I'm seriously considering keeping it as our only car.
The VAG groups first gen EVs are so efficient, they should have continued with these rather than the ID range. I would have bought a 50kwh mk8 eGolf if they built it. I have had 5.2mpkw out of my mk7 eGolf that would have given me 140miles in the summer which has a slightly smaller battery than eUp/Mii Get about 3.8 in the winter. Depends on what temperature you set the heater too. Heated windscreen is a bit annoying at night through.
@@norfolkngood8960 I am hoping the ID2 will change that from some of the videos I have seen. VW are putting buttons back and going away from haptic buttons. But it’s still two years away and other smaller cars will be coming out like the Renault 5 which VW will lose a lot of sales too.
Amazing, great to see the price madness following Covid is over, i think in another few years they'll be some great used EV's available below £10k especially once the new £20k Citroen hits the market in 2024 and basically makes most EV's look chronically overpriced..
Been Discontinued. I see these with 5 door for around what you paid, maybe a little more expensive but with less mileage and even cheaper bought private. But you still got it at a good price. I understand the Seat brand is being discontinued by VW, do you know if that is correct? Seems a strange move if it is, Seat are a really good car, I have driven several (in ICE form)
@ElectricVehicleMan I'm a long time youtube subscriber and now member. Been following your journey (pardon the pun) with EVs and home energy tech. It's been hugely informative to me. But, at least until very recently, I wasn't converting that knowledge into action. That changed last week when I traded in my 10-year-old Ford Fiesta 1L for a near as dammit brand new SEAT Mii electric late 2021 registration with under 4k on the clock. I think your 'Best £10k used EV at 2 years old' was the trigger for me to act. No doubt it's a fab wee machine and surprisingly decent for the up front driver and passenger. Even the boot's pretty decent for such a diminutive drive. Anyway I've hit on two snags and I'm hoping you might be able to shed a little more light on one of them. The first is the charging speed at home. Pretty sure I'm stuck at 3.6kW rate on single phase from my reading of some of the EV forums. The one I'm hoping you can shed a little more light on is how the hell you get the app to connect to the car? I re-listened to your comments on the video yesterday & my ears perked up at the reference to your 7-week quest to get the bloody phone to work! I'm now in week two and in exactly the same boat. If I could trouble you to give me a bit of a steer on how on earth you finally got the thing working and who you spoke to I'd be deeply grateful. cheers Ralph
@@RalphAverbuch Or buy this and program it yourself. obdeleven.com/winter-sale-nextgen?adgroupid=139214287829&adpos=&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAACmF5GVAuCvOjHkzrFRromZUkG8Zk&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqYPL4PusgwMVa5NQBh2iSgeOEAAYASAAEgIS9fD_BwE
I like the way the phone can display car info. so why can;'t all cars do that ? Efficiency impressive for a small car and far better than my Bor at 3 to 3.5 in winter. If you know someone with VCDS they could find the heated seat issue. SEAT, VW stopped making the small EV so that the ID3 and Born would sell and they could ask for more money.
Not a sexy topic, but so important that you are putting your money where your mouth is and disproving the whinger FUD out there on beating the EV price conundrum - great work! Wish these kinds of videos could find their way to the target audience, like my Dad, who has a total disbelief that this kind of car exists and how much better it would be than his petrol Corsa. I think smart pensioners are the ideal candidates to snap these up: on a budget, don't need anything big, would love to not have servicing costs, and would love the convenience of charging at home. Also easier to drive. If I were making more on the servicing of cars than the sale then the last thing I want is a great, affordable car, which I can't earn loads of servicing income from becoming more popular than the petrol version; if I were VAG then I'd definitely stop making that car! Just a thought. Amazingly, unlike absolutely every product you can buy in Britain, small, used EVs are cheaper here in NZ; I just bought a top of the range (leather, Bose, 360 camera...) Leaf for equiv. £4000 here and with a healthy range. Love your work, keep covering real-world use cases and answering the big questions we all need answering, and keep mucking about with your mate; those vids are great fun!
Welcome to the Tesla/Mii club. Good to see you’ve passed the induction test - getting the app registered and 7KWh charging! Fantastic town car, nippy and agile. I’d only trust it for 60 miles this time of year. Max we’ve done is 80 over the Pennines and back. Only downside is dealing with Seat/Seat dealers.
If you could point me in the right direction for the induction tests I'd be grateful. Recently bought a Mii electric - it's great - but so much contradictory and confusing stuff on the web about the app and 7kw charging. Is there a definitive answer?
Sorry @@patrickmurphy3048 , just seen this. I think mine was a combination of a software update and fiddling with the app. The common solution seems to be dropping the Max charging current in the app down, saving, then up to max. Seems to sort it for many. The Seat Mii Electric owner FB group has many people who've been through it. Hope you get it sorted asap.
They aren't battery powered. They run off *electricity* stored in the battery. Do you call your car a petrol tank powered car? No, you don't, because it runs off the petrol in the tank, not the tank itself. Nobody in their right mind would want his Porsche. Who needs Porsche labour rates of £200 per hour? And electric cars aren't actually depreciating. They are simply adjusting to where they would normally have been prior to prices going silly, like most other cars.... Most people who buy new EV's now lease them, as it means they're insulated from any depreciation......
I wouldn't wipe my ar_e with anything that man had touched. His stance on EV's is divisive and only a ruse to get subs and likes. Trust me if EV ' more popular he'd be batting for the other side.
@@tokoloshimampara9932Thank you we will. Think you'll find similar issues be set the ICE car market too. My 66 plate Mercedes GLC has lost 25% of its value in a year as have most "luxury cars".
Don't suppose it has vehicle to load? Can you program charge times without having a home charger? As a first EV, adding a home charger would add about £1000 to the price.
Is the battery passively cooled same as the Nissan leaf or does it have active cooling... will it rapid gate..... plus what's the speeds it recharges at
Did you get the adjustable boot floor with it? For some reason that's missing on every preowned Mii I've looked at. I believe it was standard although I suppose it may have been an option.
The adjustable floor was never standard but is very useful. We bought a new one from SEAT in 2021 for around £155 which I fitted myself as it's quite straightforward. Part Numbers: G1S0858855E1BS (Platform), G1S0858831F82V (Mounting), G1S0858832F82V (Mounting), GN91026802 (Fixing Bolt 6 No. Required). There's a used full kit that looks in good condition with all the parts as above currently on e?b?a?y for £130 Item No. 204530443827.
Interested as to what the price was pre haggle ? Also, another very efficient car is the kona and its sister the niro, and again nasee on non ev specific platform (pre 2023 model). Maybe more cars ahould be based on non ev platforms for efficiency....
Don't look at the efficency figures, I've the Skoda and they are faked, some time by a lot. You can check the real consumptions using an OBD adapter and check the battery kWh in/out counter
Part of the problem with these cars is cost. Small cars are very expensive to engineer so to have any hope of being profitable it helps to have multiple versions based on the same platform, so VAG then had the VW, Skoda & SEAT versions to spread the cost, unfortunately SEAT have been underperforming for years & VW have decided to pull the plug so to speak on SEAT as a brand. Cupra is now going to be a standalone brand rather than a trim level of SEAT. Also the platform that the VW Up & it's sister cars are based on is now getting on a bit having first been released in 2012, I'd imagine it's probably up coming crash regulations that have probably killed it off in reality.
@EVMan we bought pretty much the same car as you. Having an absolute nightmare with SEAT in getting them to link the Connect App. It’s so simple but so stupid. Was thirsty issue you had with the app?
@@ElectricVehicleMan I gotta be fair looking at all the issues people are having with the app. SEATs current solutions aren’t inspiring me with much hope 😳
Mii/UP/Citigo are missing battery cooling system, the Zoe has active air-cooling system and the best way is liquid battery cooling in e.g. BMW i3 :-) Overheating (also undercooling) the battery ) shortens its life! The ICE version of Mii/UP/Citigo are more expensive because of durability, the engines 1.0 MPI are very reliable and cheap for maintenance, but battery - nobody knows what battery will do after 10 years... :-)
I've not driven the Mii / CityGo / UP! models, personally, but I have driven the Zoe. I'm average height (5'8") but just could not get a comfortable driving position, due to the seat height being fixed and the steering wheel only adjusting for rake. An hour in to the drive, my shoulders were in agony...! Plus, considering the car was only 8 months old and had done 6,000 miles, it rattled terribly from the boot area and the dash creaked. However, it did feel fun to drive, with decent handling. But, drive both and go with what floats your boat... 😎
The reason they are cheap is because people don't want them! I was misled the same way! When I got a chance to escape, I went straight back to diesel and I am staying there for as long as it takes!
I like Evs but they remain niche market because of real world restrictions. The reality is you need to charge overnight to save any real dough and that needs to cover the next days mileage. If not you're into planning and strategy akin to Rommel crossing the desert using rosary beads to pray for divine intervention in ensuring charging points are where they're supposed to be, working and available. I like fig rolls
My e-up had the same issue - sorted out under warranty. I love my e-up but wish it would charge at 7kWh on my home charger! There are loads of comments on forums about how to increase the charging rate but I'm not a geek and don't understand the process. If you figure out how to increase the charging rate a video would be much appreciated.
I have a Mii which I purchased from SEAT under their approved used. It is a great little car and suits our needs perfectly. It has currently got a charging issue which only allows it to charge @ 16 amps on a single phase home charger instead of 32 amps , apparently this is also a issue with the UP/ Citigo. SEAT are going to fit a new charging module to hopefully fix the problem…..does nobody else have this issue???…. Cheers..
@@ElectricVehicleMan ….Hi…tried that …it only adjusted it to 16 amps (3 KWh) @ MAX..Pod point fine as we also have a ID3 and that charges @ 32 A ( 7 Kwh ) …. This is what SEAT technical has told the dealership to try….maybe I just have a anomaly on our car….I’m sure they will sort it as it’s under warranty still…..I’m glad you’re enjoying your car and decided to keep it ….a cracking car for the money….cheers
@@KevinJones-ps1qz You mean you have the Seat Connect App already? If so, drop the charge rate down to ‘anything’, let it sync. Then drag it up to 32amp and let it sync again. Do this sat in the car with ignition on. Seems to work better. Failing that, buy OBD11 and that does it via the ODB port. I guarantee it’s not a fault as every Up/Mii etc has this issue.
@@ElectricVehicleMan …..Yep …tried that…got the SEAT connect app and was told by SEAT to delete and reinstall the app to see if it had any effect. The Max charge rate on the app only goes from 5A to 16A still. I’ve heard about the OBD 11 fix but because it is ongoing with SEAT and they are aware I will see what happens when they fit the new module and software….I have a mate with OBD11 though so that option is available if needed…..cheers
@@ElectricVehicleMan I JUST posted to this video with two gotchas I'd encountered and it looks like, much to my surprise, you've answered a problem that I didn't think I'd be able to solve... Only issue now is... how to get the bloody app working! "'I'm a long time youtube subscriber and now member. Been following your journey (pardon the pun) with EVs and home energy tech. It's been hugely informative to me. But, at least until very recently, I wasn't converting that knowledge into action. That changed last week when I traded in my 10-year-old Ford Fiesta 1L for a near as dammit brand new SEAT Mii electric late 2021 registration with under 4k on the clock. I think your 'Best £10k used EV at 2 years old' was the trigger for me to act. No doubt it's a fab wee machine and surprisingly decent for the up front driver and passenger. Even the boot's pretty decent for such a diminutive drive. Anyway I've hit on two snags and I'm hoping you might be able to shed a little more light on one of them. The first is the charging speed at home. Pretty sure I'm stuck at 3.6kW rate on single phase from my reading of some of the EV forums. The one I'm hoping you can shed a little more light on is how the hell you get the app to connect to the car? I re-listened to your comments on the video yesterday & my ears perked up at the reference to your 7-week quest to get the bloody phone to work! I'm now in week two and in exactly the same boat. If I could trouble you to give me a bit of a steer on how on earth you finally got the thing working and who you spoke to I'd be deeply grateful. cheers Ralph"
It tends to be the heating system in seat, When its fixed dont kneel on the seat that can cause the problems, I will have to buy a smaller phone my S23 ultra is to large.
I know you said this isnt a motorway cruiser...but people said that about my Zoe 40...anyway..what do you think the motorway range is? I do an 80mile round chip...i think it would be fine. But an owners opinion would be good 😊
I do 75 miles each way on my commute doing motorway speeds (60-70) and with temperatures at about 6-8 degrees on a full charge it uses about 55% of the battery each way
Same battery size and same gear stick/ function as my e golf 2020, so they probably retired it with the e golf. I get 3.6 to 5.2 kWh winter to summer in that 😂
eGolf and eUP!/mii/citigo consumptions figures are faked, you need to use an OBD adapter and check the battery kWh in/out counter. (I proved this in my citigo)
VW group are in big trouble, small efficient cars (ev or ice) only make very small profit, why they stopped all Up! manufacture at Zvikau. Only big expensive EVs have a useful profit margin. Where I live (not UK) the Mk2 Golf diesel is still very common, they last forever.
EVM: You mentioned the heated seat fault. This may be a common fault as the same fault came up for fellow youtuber KK and EV - he recently got the same used car, and the same button failed for him too 😢 ruclips.net/video/3TLRHLWj6Uk/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Youve changed since becoming a youtuber, now its all Mii Mii Mii
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I see what you did there ;-)
.....that was almost clever.....
Well done!!!
That was clever, not almost 😎
Brilliant!
I also bought a 2yr old Mii Electric back in August and I agree with everything you said except your comments about it not being a motorway car. I use mine every day on a 75 mile each way commute mainly on motorways with a bit of 'town' driving at the end and it's absolutely brilliant. Range wise expect about 135-140 miles on a full charge at a 60-70mph pace so I have to do a top up charge at some point during the day, but that's still brilliant economy. I love mine :-)
I went down the same path but bought the Zoe in mid August - a close decision but I need to cover 140 and 180 mile runs now and again. I think the arrival of affordable 2nd hand EVs is a huge issue that starts the process of making EVs available to people who don't buy new and don't lease cars.
The vast majority of car sales are of those second hand too!
You've desribed me perfectly! I don't understand why so much focus is put on pcp's, lease plans etc. when there must be thousands out there like me, who have no interest/intention of leasing, and will happily let others take the massive depreciation hit when driving a new car off the forecourt. I am torn between the Zoe, and the Skoda/Seat/ VW trio though.
@@JenniferHall-o6s I was impressed with the number of reviewers who loved driving the VAG car but it is smaller with less range and a bit slower if that makes a difference - depends on your planned usage. We have been very happy with our 7000mile Zoe - a few days short of 2 years old when bought for 12700 from main dealer. Drove 190miles home with 70+ range still showing.
I think the Zoe will win. Periodically, we need to visit family which is a 154 mile round trip, plus any other running around we do at the same time. I've been keeping an eye on one which has just gone down by £ 1000 surprisingly. Could be a trip to the dealer in the week.
I am going to buy a used ev but still have fear - what battery will do after 10 years? I can see many videos of Tesla S owners (older 9 years) and there are many battery issues. One or more battery cell can fail and you have to change whole battery pack(Tesla) or module (Kona, ID3 etc..)...
It was the VW Group's first EV (2012),. Goes to show that the old tech is often the best, no active and energy wasting battery cooling/heating management, no silly over sized battery pack that adds weight, Yes the wheels spin on wet roads, I highly recommend getting rid of the stock tyres (Good Year Efficient grip) and getting some decent 4 season ones, it's a game changer! About the Seat App, it's a pity you didn't address the problem earlier, being a VW Group connectivity ambassador, I could have helped you with that one ;-). I'm sure you'll enjoy the little EV, we absolutely love our E-UP!
I bought mine in August after watching many of your videos and your review of the Citigo. We had an Up! in 2014 and loved it. This one is even better and faster. Absolutely LOVE our Mii. 2021, 3K miles, 11,900 all in.
Completely right about patience and taking the opportunity when you find it. Too many purchases (not just cars) are made when you have to and you are hamstrung with what's available at the time or without due consideration of what would be sensible. The only way to get a deal is be ready when you see one - and not 'have to' get it there and then.
Wife loves her E-Up, which may differ from the SEAT in having the worlds smallest rear view camera, we had a non working heated seat which had the seat elements changed under warrenty, manage to get up to 6miles/kwh in the summer, efficiency tends to drop like a stone with the temperature, a fun little car prefer it to my Ioniq 5 in some ways
I always think the E-up is a special edition for Yorkshiremen 😂😂😂😂
I love my eUP! too - even the hilarious rear-view camera that's all of 2 inches diagonal. I also have the heated seat issue - will need to get that sorted soon.
Beware of the range guess-o-meter - in my experience it tends to either wildly overestimate or wildly underestimate the potential range.
@@BenThorpdon't kneel on the seat it damages the heating element
good review - we bought a 2 yr old Mazda MX-30 for £14k - absolute bargain and brillinat car - range about 125 at the moment but tbh it never goes anywhere near that on a dialy drive ...
Re the switch. Try gentle prying it out - just the. Bit you press no t the whole switch. May be barbs top and bottom. Just did something similar. On my Octy climate system today . In side that one there seems to be a carbonised? Tiny pad also a rubber “ tube “ for want of a better word which seems to act as a soft return spring( doesn’t come out) give the pad a wipe, snapped it back in and done . I had two buttons similar worked on both - best of luck
I'm currently saving up for one of these - of the three, my favourite is the Seat as well. I suspect that the VW group took the decision to stop making these is because they were so popular and they thought they were going to miss out on the massive profits of the bigger vehicles.
This is truly a fantastic second car.
I understand that they were losing money on them.
We own two VW e-Ups and we absolutely love them. If you can get one (or a Mii/Citigo), go for it. Just one thing, though. Our cars have the full spec. At least here in germany you couldn't get the heated windscreen and the rear parking camera for the Mii or the Citigo. I personally find these features quite useful and would really miss them if they weren't there. Just my 2 cents...
@@garyallsopp6369 Afaik VW didn't want to invest in Hardware Updates necessary due to new regulatory requirements, so they canceled the car.
@@tanja2651thanks for that insight. These requirements are forcing companies to make big, heavy, inefficient and expensive cars with loads of safety gadgets which will eventually go wrong and cost a fortune to fix. Meanwhile some simple functions get buried in a touchscreen, distracting drivers from the road! Madness.
@@tanja2651strangelly I bought Mii from Germany and it has heated windshield. But no camera and no buttons on the steering wheel. But on a plus side the fabric of the seats is of better quality and better looking than on Up. And the ceiling is black.
Thanks for your research
Hi EVM - Great choice, my 2021 Mii Electric has been brilliant over the almost 3 years I have had it…. Almost fault free. You have the same fault, the driver heated seat faulting out is a known fault and will be replaced under warranty as mine was in January. Regularly get 4.5 mp/kWh good luck. Agreed it was bonkers for VW group to kill the triplets, my guess that they were losing money on every one produced.
What a great find and the efficiency is amazing. It certainly shows that smaller cars work well as EV's if the price is right. Add in the over 200 miles of range and it can work very well in most situations.
Efficiency is faked
@@StefanoFinocchiaro Lol. I've been driving one of these for 30 months. Consistently 6 miles kWh summer, 5 winter
yes and they are both inflated@@darrendavies1208
Realy it has 200 mile range ?
@@darrendavies1208 is it realy 200 mile range?
Congratulations on the find, good luck with it and thanks for the video.
I sold my Mii a year ago for over £17000. We loved it but we were going down to one car and sold our Pandas 4x4 as well. We always look back with some regret because we loved both. The Seat averaged over 5 ml/kWhr during our ownership. Brilliant. A major problem for us was the seats were not comfortable on longer journeys. We bought the MG4 (LFP battery) and when I first drove it, (Nov 2022), I thought there was something wrong with it because it seemed so inefficient - I thought all ev's should be close to 5ml/kWhr in winter, how naive.
Get you……we got an mg4 lr se and shocked by its inefficiency compared to our Ioniq 38kWh.
I've been contemplating replacing my ageing Meriva with an EV. I've already leased one from work, and Audi Q4, so my missus is using the Meriva and she's not overly keen on it. So this video is really interesting, because not only is the Mii right in the size window she'd be looking for, but it looks pretty well specced, it's a decent looking car, and underneath it's essentially a VW with a different badge. I'm seriously considering it, although I dare say trying to fund one right now is out of the question.
Also, this is where I have to say a massive thanks to the EV haters. Because to them, the fence-sitters appear to be turning away from the used EV market and causing them to become much cheaper. So yeah, thanks to all you dinosaurs who hate change, you're making it much easier for me to save money!!
Thanks for the great review. I love my Mii electric ❤. So good to drive.
We bought one of these after seeing your review from a couple of years ago..".like baked beans on toast" - it really is! Unpretentious, capable, fun!
I have been considering a Seat Mii as a replacement of our 107. It looks like it would be very similar in size and has the basic controls that we like. It looks like the perfect first EV. Did test drive a MG4, but the software problems and specification is above my requirements, also the early adopters seem to be being used to develop the car. I looking for something you just get in and drive.
What software problems?
Brilliant, thanks for updating 😁. Had a lot of problems with the app too, esim reactivated now. Which app were you using on the phone please, Drive Mii or Connect as the screen didnt look like Connect. Bought our May 21 Mii electric around 9000 miles, in September for £11k and as you say the small numbers available on Autotrader seem to be going up for more £'s. Just to say theres a friendly FB group for Mii electric owners, over 650 members 👍😁
Did you solve your app problems and if yes can you share what you had to do? Cheers
The Up has an all glass tailgate, the Mii and Citygo have half steel ones.
They stopped making them because they were losing money on each one built after the pandemic due to component costs.
We loved our Seat Mii Electric. The only reason I sold it was because I was offered £1,300 more than I paid for it. First time I ever made money on a car. The build quality is excellent. The efficiency is unmatched by our Tesla or MG4. The fun factor was higher too. Totally understand your enthusiasm and joy.
Hi. Do you think it's better than the mg4 overall? I'm considering both when my golf eventually dies..
@@hughmacdonald1911 Hi. Overall, taking into account our need to travel 200 plus miles quite regularly, the MG4 wins on its charging speed - which is double of that of the Seat Mii. The battery on the MG4 is LFP, so that's a plus. If we were only doing short trips and wanted a cheaper option, I would go for the Seat. Otherwise, the newer, more technically advanced, longer rage MG4 would be my choice.
We bought a 3 year old Mii (only 6k miles) back in September. 250 mile journey home was easy with a couple of quick CCS charges. 7+m/kwh in warmer weather. Have done the VCDS changes to sort the Climate to remember previous setting - still need to sort the lane tracing. Set charge limit to 80% and it’s perfect
One of difference between the Citigo and the UP is inner rear wheel arches this makes UP a lot quieter in the wet (you can retro fit this if you can find the part no.) Overall both cars are brilliant. Also you can select the colour you want in the radio in the menus
You can just spray extra Dinitrol stone chip coating
I used to get mii hire cars when our Leon was in for a service. And in the rain it was loud! Now I know why. Arches not insulated.That said at least there's no rust trap later on. The mii drove well and felt fun. The 1.0 60bhp even feeling quite nippy in a car this light. So can imagine the EV feels nippy.
This makes a massive difference!
Definitely worthy of a look as a second car, my girlfriends old focus only did 4000k a year and this would be ideal.
I agree with you about batch snobbery, our SEAT Alhambra is basically a VW Sharan and about £3k cheaper even though better spec.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, these are some of the best EVs on sale. Test drove both this and the VW Up 2+ years ago now and found them both brilliant. I own and drive a 10 year old ICE VW Up but the EV version was just more refined, solid, and fun. And yes, the efficiency incredible. But when I test drove them BOTH were unavailable new. In fact on the way to the VW test drive he called to say VW had just stopped all orders! I also believe they (VW Group) want better better profit margins on their bigger less good EVs and not on simple but brilliant cars like this. There can be no other reason. This car would suit many many people.
Such a good little runaround. I loved my petrol Mii (first car)- I remember when I was shopping around and comparing a load of second hand petrol Mii, Citigo and Up! ~7 years ago. The Mii was cheapest with most tech, my budget was cheapest Citigo and mid-range Mii and the Up! was just too expensive. It really makes no sense at all when they are identical cars. Literally every component says “VW” on them, I’ve still got the faulty accelerator peddle from my Mii and it says “VW” on it!! Definitely a wise purchase with the Mii.
Great find. my 40k Mokka e isn't anywhere near ss efficiant, lucky to get 4 m/kwh and has terrible regen.
The up! owners club forum is worth a look for the heated seat issue. I bought new and ended up with an e-up! rather than a mii because I was able to get the up! more quickly from stock but it would be hard to justify going Vw for a second hand purchase. I’d offer the e-up for a comparison video but you would have to come to Caithness.
We’re currently considering what to buy as our 2nd EV and I think this will be a good option. It would be perfect for a 15 mile round trip taking the kids to school or my wife going to either of her 2 local offices.
Another informative and helpful video.
Keep em coming EVM 👍🏾
have a look at Mazda Mx-30 ...big car for not a lot in 2nd hand...
@@GordieK it’s a bit small in the rear and those suicide doors aren’t the most practical solution for a school run, but prices are definitely coming down. Plus we do like Mazdas, just found MX-30 wasn’t suitable as our main family car 👍🏾
plenty of room in the back for adults.... loads of headroom for a 6ft adult (have been there) but yeah the suicide doors arent optimum for family life . @@marvinsamuels1237
A 32kwh battery can be filled 0-100% in the 5 hours of an overnight cheap tariff and that efficiency would give me more range than on my 50kwh mg4
Really useful review, thank you. I am very tempted !
Great idea. Tried to buy one from cinch. Can't take cc payment in 2 hits (credit limit) won't increase without full credit check. Have money in current a/c. Bank doesn't appear on cinch list. Octopus and pod both want your money for fitting a charging point, without committing to a fit date. Unacceptable! So given up.
I really liked that. An EV with a personality
My aunt has had the electric version Mii for a couple of years and loves it. The petrol version is great too but given how these cars arw used, the electric version is the obvious choice
Brilliant cars, I'll be sad when my leased e-up goes back. Hopefully buying an i3S as a replacement will soften the blow.
Great episode. Congrats on the purchase. Sadly, none of the e-Up!, Citigo or Mii siblings came to Australia. Envious. Hmm. Wonder if importing is an option?
Had the e-up for the day as a courtesy car. Great car
I had a Mii on lease and loved it. But circumstances changed so it went back. Have a 41kw zoe now, but much preffered my Mii.
I bought a 3 month old petrol VW Up in 2016 as a temporary car when my Land Rover fell apart, paid £7,500. Now done 55k miles, so far have only had to replace tyres and brake disks. Group 1 insurance, 55mpg. Took it to the local garage to see what it's worth trade in.......£5k. £2,500 depreciation in 7 years. I'll never go back to big flash cars.
Rather than never going back to big flash cars why not buy one AFTER the massive depreciation has kicked in? I was looking at a Jaguar i-pace (£75 k new but around £35 k now). Might pay £35 k for such a nice car but would NEVER pay that sort of money NEW (not that I could afford to anyway)😅
@@harrycorry3772 I used to drive BMWS, Land Rovers blindly. After getting the Up, which was only meant to be a car for a few weeks, I'm honestly converted. I drive a mile now for pennies. It's been bulletproof, easy to park and basically perfect for my needs. I just wish I'd discovered them earlier.
@@reddeviluk Understand the economy aspect but depends what you want from your driving. Personally, I just like going for a drive so what's most important to me is a smooth, comfortable drive inside as luxurious a car as I can afford. I could opt for a cheap, basic EV but if I don't like driving it then it's no use to me at all.
thhey stopped making it because it was too good. they were worried about id 3 sales. but germany is getting rid of the substidies therefore cars are going to get cheaper and smaller again. otherwhise they wont meet their co2 goals. so we have to wait around 12 months. i wouldnt be surprised if they brought it back or if the id2e comes faster than expected to fill its void.
Small EVs are economical and big EVs are thirsty then? Sounds the same as ICE cars? 🤔🙂 I wonder what a small Hyundai would be like? I'm thinking of the difference between the Ioniq 5 and the Kona
We buy any car values my Hyundai Kona Electric 64Kwh Premium SE at £10.5k. It's a 70 plate and not three years old yet. It's done 93k miles is the reason. Despite this, my OBD reader (and basic maths comparing range against economy) indicates the battery health is over 97%.
A much needed video for 'normal ' people thank you and well done.
We have the 2022 E-up as my wife's car. We both love it . Highly chuckable. TBH I retire in a couple of years and as a retirement car I'm seriously considering keeping it as our only car.
The VAG groups first gen EVs are so efficient, they should have continued with these rather than the ID range. I would have bought a 50kwh mk8 eGolf if they built it. I have had 5.2mpkw out of my mk7 eGolf that would have given me 140miles in the summer which has a slightly smaller battery than eUp/Mii Get about 3.8 in the winter. Depends on what temperature you set the heater too. Heated windscreen is a bit annoying at night through.
The ID series are horrible. Deleting 2 window switches is just stupidly annoying, those touch surface controls are a pain too
@@norfolkngood8960 I am hoping the ID2 will change that from some of the videos I have seen. VW are putting buttons back and going away from haptic buttons. But it’s still two years away and other smaller cars will be coming out like the Renault 5 which VW will lose a lot of sales too.
Amazing, great to see the price madness following Covid is over, i think in another few years they'll be some great used EV's available below £10k especially once the new £20k Citroen hits the market in 2024 and basically makes most EV's look chronically overpriced..
Buttons!!! Lots of buttons to control things which is so much better than touch screens or voice activation when using cars for their actual purpose.
I didn't even know about this car 16 minutes ago, and they don't sell it anymore. 😳
Been Discontinued.
I see these with 5 door for around what you paid, maybe a little more expensive but with less mileage and even cheaper bought private.
But you still got it at a good price.
I understand the Seat brand is being discontinued by VW, do you know if that is correct?
Seems a strange move if it is, Seat are a really good car, I have driven several (in ICE form)
@ElectricVehicleMan
I'm a long time youtube subscriber and now member. Been following your journey (pardon the pun) with EVs and home energy tech. It's been hugely informative to me. But, at least until very recently, I wasn't converting that knowledge into action. That changed last week when I traded in my 10-year-old Ford Fiesta 1L for a near as dammit brand new SEAT Mii electric late 2021 registration with under 4k on the clock. I think your 'Best £10k used EV at 2 years old' was the trigger for me to act. No doubt it's a fab wee machine and surprisingly decent for the up front driver and passenger. Even the boot's pretty decent for such a diminutive drive. Anyway I've hit on two snags and I'm hoping you might be able to shed a little more light on one of them. The first is the charging speed at home. Pretty sure I'm stuck at 3.6kW rate on single phase from my reading of some of the EV forums. The one I'm hoping you can shed a little more light on is how the hell you get the app to connect to the car? I re-listened to your comments on the video yesterday & my ears perked up at the reference to your 7-week quest to get the bloody phone to work! I'm now in week two and in exactly the same boat. If I could trouble you to give me a bit of a steer on how on earth you finally got the thing working and who you spoke to I'd be deeply grateful.
cheers
Ralph
@ElectricVehicleMan
I am not used to using RUclips as a commenting platform!
You need to email seat digital services and they’ll probably need to activate the SIM.
@@RalphAverbuch Or buy this and program it yourself.
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@@ElectricVehicleMan Many thanks. I'll give this a go.
We never got these cars this side of the Atlantic, and I agree with you in wondering why they would discontinue them.
I like the way the phone can display car info. so why can;'t all cars do that ? Efficiency impressive for a small car and far better than my Bor at 3 to 3.5 in winter. If you know someone with VCDS they could find the heated seat issue. SEAT, VW stopped making the small EV so that the ID3 and Born would sell and they could ask for more money.
Love it and love your channel
great video and great car. can you tell me if they normally come with the granny charger?? or is that an extra? thanks Glenn
They don't come with the Granny charger as standard, just the Type 2 cable. Screwfix are currently selling 5m Granny for £150, 10m Granny for £175.
Not a sexy topic, but so important that you are putting your money where your mouth is and disproving the whinger FUD out there on beating the EV price conundrum - great work! Wish these kinds of videos could find their way to the target audience, like my Dad, who has a total disbelief that this kind of car exists and how much better it would be than his petrol Corsa. I think smart pensioners are the ideal candidates to snap these up: on a budget, don't need anything big, would love to not have servicing costs, and would love the convenience of charging at home. Also easier to drive. If I were making more on the servicing of cars than the sale then the last thing I want is a great, affordable car, which I can't earn loads of servicing income from becoming more popular than the petrol version; if I were VAG then I'd definitely stop making that car! Just a thought. Amazingly, unlike absolutely every product you can buy in Britain, small, used EVs are cheaper here in NZ; I just bought a top of the range (leather, Bose, 360 camera...) Leaf for equiv. £4000 here and with a healthy range. Love your work, keep covering real-world use cases and answering the big questions we all need answering, and keep mucking about with your mate; those vids are great fun!
Welcome to the Tesla/Mii club. Good to see you’ve passed the induction test - getting the app registered and 7KWh charging! Fantastic town car, nippy and agile. I’d only trust it for 60 miles this time of year. Max we’ve done is 80 over the Pennines and back. Only downside is dealing with Seat/Seat dealers.
What use is 60 miles really !!
@@davidlewis4399 UK average 18 miles per day, so plenty. Gets me in around Manchester with no problems. Driving to the Algarve we used the Tesla.
If you could point me in the right direction for the induction tests I'd be grateful. Recently bought a Mii electric - it's great - but so much contradictory and confusing stuff on the web about the app and 7kw charging. Is there a definitive answer?
Sorry @@patrickmurphy3048 , just seen this. I think mine was a combination of a software update and fiddling with the app. The common solution seems to be dropping the Max charging current in the app down, saving, then up to max. Seems to sort it for many. The Seat Mii Electric owner FB group has many people who've been through it. Hope you get it sorted asap.
The way battery powered cars are depreciating, you'll be able to buy McMaster's Porsche Taycan for 10 grand in a couple of months time🙃
They aren't battery powered. They run off *electricity* stored in the battery. Do you call your car a petrol tank powered car? No, you don't, because it runs off the petrol in the tank, not the tank itself. Nobody in their right mind would want his Porsche. Who needs Porsche labour rates of £200 per hour? And electric cars aren't actually depreciating. They are simply adjusting to where they would normally have been prior to prices going silly, like most other cars.... Most people who buy new EV's now lease them, as it means they're insulated from any depreciation......
I wouldn't wipe my ar_e with anything that man had touched. His stance on EV's is divisive and only a ruse to get subs and likes. Trust me if EV ' more popular he'd be batting for the other side.
@@tokoloshimampara9932Thank you we will.
Think you'll find similar issues be set the ICE car market too. My 66 plate Mercedes GLC has lost 25% of its value in a year as have most "luxury cars".
@@tokoloshimampara9932 Thanks I'll call the authorities immediately I must need serious medical help.
Great little car, it’s nuts they stopped making these as you say
What about insurance? Hearing some horror stories recently
Don't suppose it has vehicle to load? Can you program charge times without having a home charger? As a first EV, adding a home charger would add about £1000 to the price.
What about Insurance compared to ICE equivalent. Just asking as have been screwed with my iPace compared to Audi A5 convertible diesel.
My Mii electric has always cost double what my previous petrol ones were. Renewal comes in January, expected to go up again like everyone else's has
We also got a 21 plate low miles Mii in September ( also second car to Tesla) also under £11 , glad we did ...
Is the battery passively cooled same as the Nissan leaf or does it have active cooling... will it rapid gate..... plus what's the speeds it recharges at
My brother had a Citigo (ICE version) and it was genuinely such a great little car. Boggles the mind why they stopped making them.
Did you get the adjustable boot floor with it? For some reason that's missing on every preowned Mii I've looked at. I believe it was standard although I suppose it may have been an option.
There was no adjustable boot floor in mine. I'll have to look to see if it has the supports for one
@@davidharman2705The holes are there as standard. See my other reply for more information.
The adjustable floor was never standard but is very useful. We bought a new one from SEAT in 2021 for around £155 which I fitted myself as it's quite straightforward. Part Numbers: G1S0858855E1BS (Platform), G1S0858831F82V (Mounting), G1S0858832F82V (Mounting), GN91026802 (Fixing Bolt 6 No. Required).
There's a used full kit that looks in good condition with all the parts as above currently on e?b?a?y for £130 Item No. 204530443827.
I bought some 3/4 mdf cut to fit stapled some spare carpet on top didnt cost a tenner and looks good.
Interested as to what the price was pre haggle ?
Also, another very efficient car is the kona and its sister the niro, and again nasee on non ev specific platform (pre 2023 model). Maybe more cars ahould be based on non ev platforms for efficiency....
Don't look at the efficency figures, I've the Skoda and they are faked, some time by a lot. You can check the real consumptions using an OBD adapter and check the battery kWh in/out counter
Price market is Nice for buyers. Not for sellers I think.
We have had the Old Arosa petrol for years. Very pleasant car. Even on long trips.
Part of the problem with these cars is cost.
Small cars are very expensive to engineer so to have any hope of being profitable it helps to have multiple versions based on the same platform, so VAG then had the VW, Skoda & SEAT versions to spread the cost, unfortunately SEAT have been underperforming for years & VW have decided to pull the plug so to speak on SEAT as a brand.
Cupra is now going to be a standalone brand rather than a trim level of SEAT.
Also the platform that the VW Up & it's sister cars are based on is now getting on a bit having first been released in 2012, I'd imagine it's probably up coming crash regulations that have probably killed it off in reality.
Looking to buy one of these in a year to replace my up. Great video
@EVMan we bought pretty much the same car as you. Having an absolute nightmare with SEAT in getting them to link the Connect App. It’s so simple but so stupid. Was thirsty issue you had with the app?
Yeah it took a few weeks.
Works now though.
@@ElectricVehicleMan I gotta be fair looking at all the issues people are having with the app. SEATs current solutions aren’t inspiring me with much hope 😳
Good choice they’re all 11.5 k how did you get it down?
They stopped making it because Volkswagen, the corporate owner of SEAT, demanded that it was withdrawn at the time that the Up! was discontinued.
I just bought a 2015 24kw 68,000 miles, 11 bars (83% SOH) for $7,950.00 here in Minneapolis
Mii/UP/Citigo are missing battery cooling system, the Zoe has active air-cooling system and the best way is liquid battery cooling in e.g. BMW i3 :-) Overheating (also undercooling) the battery ) shortens its life! The ICE version of Mii/UP/Citigo are more expensive because of durability, the engines 1.0 MPI are very reliable and cheap for maintenance, but battery - nobody knows what battery will do after 10 years... :-)
Of course they do. Batteries are fine.
And a small city car will hardly rapid charge.
@@ElectricVehicleMan I have seen many videos where battery cell/s in older(9+) Tesla S failed, let's hope it was chance :-)
@@palusisko They’re old original battery tech. Like looking at the first iPhone.
Things move on.
Trouble is if it has so much depreciation then people will stop buying them new.
Then they get discounted heavily, as we’re seeing now.
Depreciation is based on list price, which no one has paid.
what a brilliant deal
Would love to see you try & review the BYD range!
Great presentation, to the point and no messing about. Mi is a good choice. 10/10! Nice one.
What makes the Mii a better choice than a zoe (with rapid charge)? Not much in it cost-wise, so a genuine open question.
I've not driven the Mii / CityGo / UP! models, personally, but I have driven the Zoe.
I'm average height (5'8") but just could not get a comfortable driving position, due to the seat height being fixed and the steering wheel only adjusting for rake.
An hour in to the drive, my shoulders were in agony...!
Plus, considering the car was only 8 months old and had done 6,000 miles, it rattled terribly from the boot area and the dash creaked.
However, it did feel fun to drive, with decent handling.
But, drive both and go with what floats your boat... 😎
The reason they are cheap is because people don't want them!
I was misled the same way! When I got a chance to escape, I went straight back to diesel and I am staying there for as long as it takes!
Then why are used EVs selling at record levels?
@ElectricVehicleMan good question, maybe because they are cheap! What do you think ?
@@fix-and-drive-diy-repairs Because cars depreciate. All of them.
They’re not cheap, just more affordable.
Lots buy them, price goes back up again.
@ElectricVehicleMan I mean £10k isn't bad. I would buy if atleast it has more than 60kwh. I will keep an eye. Thanks 👍
No point getting a 60kWh car that does half the efficiency of a 30kWh car and therefore the same range.
I like Evs but they remain niche market because of real world restrictions.
The reality is you need to charge overnight to save any real dough and that needs to cover the next days mileage.
If not you're into planning and strategy akin to Rommel crossing the desert using rosary beads to pray for divine intervention in ensuring charging points are where they're supposed to be, working and available. I like fig rolls
That focus! Lolz
My e-up had the same issue - sorted out under warranty. I love my e-up but wish it would charge at 7kWh on my home charger! There are loads of comments on forums about how to increase the charging rate but I'm not a geek and don't understand the process. If you figure out how to increase the charging rate a video would be much appreciated.
Get your Seat dealer to sort it. 👍
You can switch it on with OBD Eleven / Ross Tech VCDS. Did that with mine
Going for it in the new year thanks, Got to get charger first thanks.
I have a Mii which I purchased from SEAT under their approved used. It is a great little car and suits our needs perfectly. It has currently got a charging issue which only allows it to charge @ 16 amps on a single phase home charger instead of 32 amps , apparently this is also a issue with the UP/ Citigo. SEAT are going to fit a new charging module to hopefully fix the problem…..does nobody else have this issue???…. Cheers..
It’s not a fault. It’s a setting in the app.
Get the app working, you can adjust the max speed in there.
@@ElectricVehicleMan ….Hi…tried that …it only adjusted it to 16 amps (3 KWh) @ MAX..Pod point fine as we also have a ID3 and that charges @ 32 A ( 7 Kwh ) …. This is what SEAT technical has told the dealership to try….maybe I just have a anomaly on our car….I’m sure they will sort it as it’s under warranty still…..I’m glad you’re enjoying your car and decided to keep it ….a cracking car for the money….cheers
@@KevinJones-ps1qz You mean you have the Seat Connect App already?
If so, drop the charge rate down to ‘anything’, let it sync. Then drag it up to 32amp and let it sync again.
Do this sat in the car with ignition on. Seems to work better.
Failing that, buy OBD11 and that does it via the ODB port.
I guarantee it’s not a fault as every Up/Mii etc has this issue.
@@ElectricVehicleMan …..Yep …tried that…got the SEAT connect app and was told by SEAT to delete and reinstall the app to see if it had any effect. The Max charge rate on the app only goes from 5A to 16A still. I’ve heard about the OBD 11 fix but because it is ongoing with SEAT and they are aware I will see what happens when they fit the new module and software….I have a mate with OBD11 though so that option is available if needed…..cheers
@@ElectricVehicleMan I JUST posted to this video with two gotchas I'd encountered and it looks like, much to my surprise, you've answered a problem that I didn't think I'd be able to solve... Only issue now is... how to get the bloody app working! "'I'm a long time youtube subscriber and now member. Been following your journey (pardon the pun) with EVs and home energy tech. It's been hugely informative to me. But, at least until very recently, I wasn't converting that knowledge into action. That changed last week when I traded in my 10-year-old Ford Fiesta 1L for a near as dammit brand new SEAT Mii electric late 2021 registration with under 4k on the clock. I think your 'Best £10k used EV at 2 years old' was the trigger for me to act. No doubt it's a fab wee machine and surprisingly decent for the up front driver and passenger. Even the boot's pretty decent for such a diminutive drive. Anyway I've hit on two snags and I'm hoping you might be able to shed a little more light on one of them. The first is the charging speed at home. Pretty sure I'm stuck at 3.6kW rate on single phase from my reading of some of the EV forums. The one I'm hoping you can shed a little more light on is how the hell you get the app to connect to the car? I re-listened to your comments on the video yesterday & my ears perked up at the reference to your 7-week quest to get the bloody phone to work! I'm now in week two and in exactly the same boat. If I could trouble you to give me a bit of a steer on how on earth you finally got the thing working and who you spoke to I'd be deeply grateful.
cheers
Ralph"
It tends to be the heating system in seat, When its fixed dont kneel on the seat that can cause the problems, I will have to buy a smaller phone my S23 ultra is to large.
On the heated seat front, if it's only 2 years old, shouldn't you still have a warranty on it? thought it was 4 years for the whole car.
It’s 3 years or 60,000 miles, whichever comes sooner.
That SEAT is a Volkswagen Up! anyway!! We’ve all heard that Volkswagen took over SEAT and Skoda at the same time!!
Well done that’s a billy bargain. ⚡️✅
What a great car for such a bargain price!
So did you sell the mini ?
I know you said this isnt a motorway cruiser...but people said that about my Zoe 40...anyway..what do you think the motorway range is? I do an 80mile round chip...i think it would be fine. But an owners opinion would be good 😊
80 should be easy in winter.
Could prob do it twice in summer.
I do 75 miles each way on my commute doing motorway speeds (60-70) and with temperatures at about 6-8 degrees on a full charge it uses about 55% of the battery each way
Thanks both. Food for thought...it's tempting to make a change for CCS and heated seats
What’s happening with the old ICE car?
Same battery size and same gear stick/ function as my e golf 2020, so they probably retired it with the e golf. I get 3.6 to 5.2 kWh winter to summer in that 😂
eGolf and eUP!/mii/citigo consumptions figures are faked, you need to use an OBD adapter and check the battery kWh in/out counter. (I proved this in my citigo)
They sell the VW e-UP! new at the moment.
Only outstanding orders will be fulfilled and then that's it.
VW group are in big trouble, small efficient cars (ev or ice) only make very small profit, why they stopped all Up! manufacture at Zvikau. Only big expensive EVs have a useful profit margin. Where I live (not UK) the Mk2 Golf diesel is still very common, they last forever.
EVM: You mentioned the heated seat fault. This may be a common fault as the same fault came up for fellow youtuber KK and EV - he recently got the same used car, and the same button failed for him too 😢
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Hi all, I'm seeing Zoe's and Mi's for around £11k. Why would you go for one over the other? My use case is 10-50 mile trips a few times a week.
As said in the video really.
Broken element in the seat is a likely cause. Fix under warranty
Year usually caused by climbing/leaning on it during cleaning with knees fists elbows etc