Ive made my own custom versions of these snares along with my custom "slotted" snare, all to capture my own signature Alex VanHalenish style sound! & my snares are All fantastic & vary versatile & a blast to play & will definitely be passed down to my Grandson!❤ great video & the roto snare is a great snare imo!!❤
Thank you! When I started the channel last year I didn't really know what my 'voice' would be, but apparently it's that of an old fart who loves to wax eloquent (or bloviate on and on ;) about things he's observed. I do hope people profit from it!! Thanks so much for being here!
Let's not refer to you as an old fart but rather a senior critter who is relaying necessary and useful information to anybody that is clear for reception. @@drumdotpizza
Yeah, I'm with you in the traditionalist department, but odd things do intrigue me. I have had a love/hate relationship with SNOMs since being exposed to them, and don't feel particularly confident on how best to implement them into my setup and playing. This drum was actually more inspiring to me that the SNOMs I've used. I hope some enterprising builder makes something like this available again. I'm honestly thinking about how I might build something like it for myself!
Awesome thing! I like the sound of that snare! Seems like a fun build! I just had an acyrilic 14x7.5 snare build up for me and that is a beast! Huge tuning range! Really really cool
These drums were totally crazy inventions back in that days. Wow. Super well explained by you. Very sympathetic. Recorded super professionally. Your groove and your technique are outstanding. I love listening to your content and your playing. Thank you so much. Greetings from Germany.
@@drumdotpizza me and a friend took a one day trip up from Florida this past Friday! It was absolutely worth it. The place and the staff is just amazing.
I also built one of these out of a Slingerland student snare in the early 80's. Did some experimentation then retired it. I think it may have functioned better with a 13" roto tom lowered further into the shell. Its final form had a "Genera Dry" batter head. Maybe even a cast top rim to knock down some of the twanginess...
Thanks for all your information. Forget everything about a snare drum sound as you have imagined. Yes, my experience with a 14" Pearl Vari-pitch snare drum was disappointing. I guess I was used to tuning a snare drum to sound like a snare. I thought yeah this would be good to use for a variety of applications. Simply by spinning the top Roto you could achieve a blend of low to mid to high sounds. It's different it does not react similar. Definitely for discerning tastes.
This is one of my favorite drum production resources. Thank you! We need that roto tom video! I have the 6/8/10 and they are fun, but I find I don't use them much because they have such a distinct sound. But I'm interested in the bigger sizes because they seem like they can be blended in with a normal kit better -- either to, say, replace a rack tom, or blend in with your kit to extend (what I'm trying to say is you could make your 4 piece sound like a 6 piece or something because lower pitched larger roto toms would sound more like an extension of you kit vs what I have going on, which is my normal 4 piece plus some very distinct sounding small roto toms that don't really blend in with much of what I play).
This is awesome Joel! I appreciate your ability to explain this information to anyone - no matter their level or experience. This speaks to YOUR knowledge & experience. I'm grateful to continue to build mine with info shared here - a trusted source. Thank you for sharing! Love your videos & keep up the great work. 🤓 I've never seen a drum like this oddity. Keep the weird stuff coming. Thank you Dave!
Okay, so that begs a question. I know he had them on his white, 1980 tour kit, but did he play them much? I haven't ever seen footage. My guess was he used the rototom functionality as a gimmick of sorts during his drum solo, but I don't really know. He only had a pair of them, right? Above his floor toms? Or am I remembering the pics I've seen incorrectly?
I did not see that tour and I never saw him play them in footage but I bet your right using them for soloing. He had a lot of stuff on his kit just for show.
I just bought some Pearl vari-pitch toms on reverb. These are fun to play but at 10” deep they are hard to position on the kit. Is your friend interested in selling the snare?
@@kddrums85 He sold it as soon as I gave it back to him, I'm sorry. Keep your eyes peeled, though. They do pop up on occasion. I hope you find one soon.
"Your drummakers were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should!" To be honest I've missed rototoms, they sound like nothing else. The Vari-Pitch is interesting as heck. We've seen several rototom kits lately, but a vari-pitch kit would be pretty rad. Good stuff Joel.
With the roto pitched up and snares engaged, it reminds me a bit of Bill Bruford's snare sound. I wonder if a 5 mil snare side head would tame the snare buzz a bit, and give more consistent tom-like qualities without snares engaged. Thanks for the video. I too remember these from my childhood.
I didn't try a thicker snare side head. It would reduce snare sensitivity, but not sure how desirable that is since the wires are essentially only activated by the SPL (like sympathetic buzz from toms on a regular snare). Worth a try!!
Joel, I have one for you too. I came across a "weird" Hack. While struggling with tuning my 2 Snares : a PDP Maple 14 X 5.5 and a DW Design Series Nickel over Brass 14 X 6.5. I tried an assortment of different Batter heads -trying to get to that "sound" - a John Bonham Ludwig Supraphonic sound. No Miking or Equing at all. It became a Project - a lesson in Sound Engineering. I'll qualify by saying I'm 72 YO, who resurrected playing Drums in 2019 after 50 Years [1969]. I play at home as a retirement Hobby / Pleasure. I was disgusted one day with the sound from my DW snare (which I purchased USED in 2021 via Reverb - it came delivered from the previous Owner with a HD Dry Batter head. It sounded Great right out of the delivery box), where I replaced the HD Dry head with a new one, I placed the DW snare atop of my 16" Floor Tom (16 X 14 [deep]). I was playing the PDP snare - but during a fill, I hit the DW snare atop of the Tom. That was a BINGO moment. It sounded great - solid, no Crackle, Supraphonic like!. The same with the PDP snare too. I could not replicate that sound no matter how I tuned the Snares. I tried other Batter heads : UV1, UV2, Remo Powerstroke 77 , etc. I posted this on drum forums. One poster kiddingly says I may have Invented a new Snare Stand. I actually did that ---- for a while. Here's another thing I discovered; I tried using an old Floor Tom from another cheapo kit (Gammon) 16 X 16 - that sounded different than the snare atop of the 16 X 14 Tom!. I further experimented (and still do to a point) with putting a older 16" floor tom batter head in the snare stand , and playing either snare in that manner - that changes & accentuates in a different manner as well. And one more benefit to these "Hacks" - it eliminates all Snare Buzz from the nearby Rack Toms. In another video of yours - you explain the sounds achieved when Miking and EQuing drums. I never realized the Nice sounds I heard on YT videos were influenced mightily by those factors. That explains to a point why I could not get to the sounds I was striving for - changing batter heads, tuning and re-tuning.
OK, let me get my head around this... you place the snare on top of another drumhead (mounted (or not) to another drum... a floor tom? With no space between the two? And this creates the sound in the room the reminds you of John Bonham? I can honestly say I have never considered this -- it sounds loony, but it does warrant some examination. Bonham, of couse, played a 6.5" deep Supraphonice (aluminum) snare with (as I understand it) Remo Emperor on batter and Ludwig snare side head (or Ambassador, depending on who you listen to). He reportedly used 42-strand snare wires. Virtually none of us have ever heard him playing this arrangement in a room without the benefit of a sound system (some were lucky enough to see LZ in concert, but that ain't what I'm talking about... no one I know of stood in a room with Bonzo banging away just him and drums, no mics), so we only know the RECORDED sound of his drums (and I may be blasphemous for saying this, but I don't care for the sound of the drums on a good many LZ records... a bit too unrefined for me -- though I thoroughly LOVE John Bonham's playing!). Perhaps this odd combination gave you, in the room, the a sound akin to the recorded sound of Bonham's snare? There really is a tremendous difference between the sound of drums in a room compared to those same drums miked, recorded and played back through speakers. There are many times people get the exact sound they want in a room and cannot recreate it on a recording to save their lives. Tuning, drumhead selection, miking, all of it, really is quite an art, and most drummers, unfortunately, haven't had the exposure needed to really get a grasp of tuning for the sake of a specific sound on playback. I'm gonna have to mess with some unconventional placement like you mention. Will be interesting to see what I can learn from it! Thanks so much for the tips!
I think acousticon (at least the earlier versions) weren't like phenolic. I have seen many acousticon drums from the various eras of acousticon... the earlier stuff sucked up moisture like crazy and just collapsed like a paper towel tube. The latter acousicon formulations were much more durable and moisture resistance, though most still would collapse under high tension. True phenolic (and there are many types from paper based to fabric based) doesn't have those problems. It is quite durable and (for the most part) resistant to absorbing moisture). I think Remo was wanting something like phenolic, but wanting it cheaper and easier to produce (it was originally used for their PTS "Pre Tuned System" drums that didn't use lugs but little clips instead. These were intended for entry level players and students to learn with a kit that sounded good, if pre tuned like a bebop jazz kit -- VERY high pitches/tension. Only after they put lugs on and the shells actually had to withstand pressure from conventional drumhead tuning with they see the need to reformulate the material for greater strength. Up until a couple of years ago I had a 3.5x14 Remo snare that was the last version of acousticon (at least the last before they discontinued full kits in favor of only their Master Edge snare drums... not sure what they used for the ME snares), and I loved that drum. Eventually had so little use for such a shallow snare that I sold it, but throughout the entire time I owned it it held up well and sounded fantastic! I have often wondered what the ME snare drums sound like.... I've come close to pulling the trigger on one more than once, but so far haven't played one. Thank you so much for being here and sharing your thoughts!!!
Cool, i have rototoms, dont use em, too shallow sounding, amazing how much more body it gets stacked over the snare shell, but what a relief near the end when he went back to the real snare, maybe it's just me, to each his own.
It is weird, like I said. Forces one to be creative, and in doing so I was pleased with some of the things I came up with. Not a snare, not a tom, definitely its own thing. Thanks so much for sharing!
The one off of Reverb... sold by Carrington Restorations, by any chance? If so, you bought the very drum I used in this video!! I see that Dave's drum is indeed no longer listed, so I'm guessing you're the lucky new owner? As for the Yamaha tympani floor tom, no, I have never seen one in person. I do remember them in the catalog in the very early 80s. I think I heard that Matt Chamberlain has one, but I've never seen them put to use.... something to be looking out for! Thanks for being here, and congratulations on the purchase!
Hey bro! 😎 70s were full of weird inovations.... I never heard of that Pearl rotostuff before! Thank you! Maybe that´s the reason why Remo did that cardboard shells in the 80s? Called it "Acousticon" ...🙈 Hey, have you ever played one of those slotted Ludwig snares? I´ve been told they sound great ( well they have to, because they´re Ludwig´s 😍lol) but I never had the option to hear one or even buy one, ´cause they´re not produced anymore, right? Would be interesting to hear one. Thanks a lot for this video! Greetings from Bavaria 🤠
I'm more familiar with Ludwig's slotted marching snares (I think the Blue Devils used them back when I was in high school... LOUD and aggressive bite those things had!). I have played a slotted coliseum and remember liking and not liking it at the same time. I'm not really a fan of deep snare drums if they don't have extended snare (the lack of crisp response leaves me wanting), and the slotted coliseum felt snappier, because of the brightness of the 'open' design, though it was a little disconcerting. That was a lifetime ago, though, so I'd be interested to put one through the wringer now. I am a HUGE Ludwig fan (particular back in the thick 6-ply days), so I should probably hunt one of those down and see what my experience is like now. Thanks for the idea (and my wife thanks you too 😜)!
Love the channel, I'm in the Metro Plex also. I have a question more than a comment. I am restoring a Ludwig Chorme marching snare. I believe from 1976 blue & olive badge #1199099. The shell is welded and has Super Sensitive snare mechanism. My question was there a Stainless Steel model or is it chrome over steel?
Ludwig made many stainless steel marching snares... most that I've seen are indeed 15x12, though I have seen a couple of 14" as well, though not nearly so many as 15" for some reason. Since you say yours is welded I assume it is stainless steel? No wood in the shell?
Haha classic EYEdentical. I like it wish Pearl can still produce the set but the only flaw I see it look cumbersome not that I a touring or gigging drummer haha
They're heavier than 'normal' drums, but as for the toms the mounts were the same as Pearl used for the their regular toms, so mounting wasn't an issue.
Thank you for being here and for chiming in! Yes, it is obvious I do have a tendency to ramble (which I am gradually improving the more I do this). Unfortunately demonstrations don't explain WHY drums behave the way they do. The 'why' is the primary reason I started this channel in the first place (see my earliest video standing in my kitchen talking about a drum shell's inherent pitch). The efficiency of my verbiage will naturally improve over time, of course, but in the interest of clarity and full disclosure this is a channel ABOUT DRUMS, not my playing. This will never be a performance channel. Thank you for hanging in there!
oh wow never seen one of these thank you for showing us this weird beast.
The most interesting articles about snares and drums.... just here !!! congrats !!
Ive made my own custom versions of these snares along with my custom "slotted" snare, all to capture my own signature Alex VanHalenish style sound! & my snares are All fantastic & vary versatile & a blast to play & will definitely be passed down to my Grandson!❤ great video & the roto snare is a great snare imo!!❤
Seen that in pearl catalog always thought it was way cool great video
Dig'n your clips...You have very keen delivery in your presentation(s). The more we know, the more we know.
Thank you! When I started the channel last year I didn't really know what my 'voice' would be, but apparently it's that of an old fart who loves to wax eloquent (or bloviate on and on ;) about things he's observed. I do hope people profit from it!!
Thanks so much for being here!
Let's not refer to you as an old fart but rather a senior critter who is relaying necessary and useful information to anybody that is clear for reception. @@drumdotpizza
Very cool! I am a traditionalist when it come to drums, but i like seeing other people get crazy with stuff like that!
Yeah, I'm with you in the traditionalist department, but odd things do intrigue me. I have had a love/hate relationship with SNOMs since being exposed to them, and don't feel particularly confident on how best to implement them into my setup and playing. This drum was actually more inspiring to me that the SNOMs I've used. I hope some enterprising builder makes something like this available again. I'm honestly thinking about how I might build something like it for myself!
@@drumdotpizza I thank you for your videos! The drumming community gets brought together due to videos like you creat!
Awesome thing! I like the sound of that snare! Seems like a fun build! I just had an acyrilic 14x7.5 snare build up for me and that is a beast! Huge tuning range! Really really cool
Interesting indeed Buddy! Definitely looking forward to your roto tom set perspective!
These drums were totally crazy inventions back in that days. Wow. Super well explained by you. Very sympathetic. Recorded super professionally. Your groove and your technique are outstanding. I love listening to your content and your playing. Thank you so much. Greetings from Germany.
Sounds great!
Drum Center of Portsmouth has a whole set of those Pearls in their museum upstairs. Wild looking stuff!
Someday I'm gonna have to trek up to NH and visit the Drum Center. That place (and those guys) seem amazing!
@@drumdotpizza me and a friend took a one day trip up from Florida this past Friday! It was absolutely worth it. The place and the staff is just amazing.
I also built one of these out of a Slingerland student snare in the early 80's. Did some experimentation then retired it. I think it may have functioned better with a 13" roto tom lowered further into the shell. Its final form had a "Genera Dry" batter head. Maybe even a cast top rim to knock down some of the twanginess...
Thanks for all your information. Forget everything about a snare drum sound as you have imagined. Yes, my experience with a 14" Pearl Vari-pitch snare drum was disappointing. I guess I was used to tuning a snare drum to sound like a snare. I thought yeah this would be good to use for a variety of applications. Simply by spinning the top Roto you could achieve a blend of low to mid to high sounds. It's different it does not react similar. Definitely for discerning tastes.
I absolutely love your videos and the demos you do always sound sooooo damn amazing... That bass drum is magnificent..
This is one of my favorite drum production resources. Thank you! We need that roto tom video! I have the 6/8/10 and they are fun, but I find I don't use them much because they have such a distinct sound. But I'm interested in the bigger sizes because they seem like they can be blended in with a normal kit better -- either to, say, replace a rack tom, or blend in with your kit to extend (what I'm trying to say is you could make your 4 piece sound like a 6 piece or something because lower pitched larger roto toms would sound more like an extension of you kit vs what I have going on, which is my normal 4 piece plus some very distinct sounding small roto toms that don't really blend in with much of what I play).
I put a roto tom video in the production queue, thank you!
This is awesome Joel!
I appreciate your ability to explain this information to anyone - no matter their level or experience.
This speaks to YOUR knowledge & experience. I'm grateful to continue to build mine with info shared here - a trusted source. Thank you for sharing! Love your videos & keep up the great work. 🤓
I've never seen a drum like this oddity. Keep the weird stuff coming. Thank you Dave!
I always wanted the Vari pitch toms after seeing AVH play them on his white kit. Nice looking and sounding DD snare too!
Okay, so that begs a question. I know he had them on his white, 1980 tour kit, but did he play them much? I haven't ever seen footage. My guess was he used the rototom functionality as a gimmick of sorts during his drum solo, but I don't really know. He only had a pair of them, right? Above his floor toms? Or am I remembering the pics I've seen incorrectly?
I did not see that tour and I never saw him play them in footage but I bet your right using them for soloing. He had a lot of stuff on his kit just for show.
I just bought some Pearl vari-pitch toms on reverb. These are fun to play but at 10” deep they are hard to position on the kit. Is your friend interested in selling the snare?
@@kddrums85 He sold it as soon as I gave it back to him, I'm sorry. Keep your eyes peeled, though. They do pop up on occasion. I hope you find one soon.
Man I just love your technique! Your one heck of a drummer,!!!! I enjoy your great content
Thank you so much!! I appreciate you being here.
@@drumdotpizza of course my friend
"Your drummakers were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should!" To be honest I've missed rototoms, they sound like nothing else. The Vari-Pitch is interesting as heck. We've seen several rototom kits lately, but a vari-pitch kit would be pretty rad. Good stuff Joel.
I'm a huge fan of rototoms! Once you sort out the odd mounting they really are a lot of fun to play and they offer a unique character.
With the roto pitched up and snares engaged, it reminds me a bit of Bill Bruford's snare sound. I wonder if a 5 mil snare side head would tame the snare buzz a bit, and give more consistent tom-like qualities without snares engaged. Thanks for the video. I too remember these from my childhood.
I didn't try a thicker snare side head. It would reduce snare sensitivity, but not sure how desirable that is since the wires are essentially only activated by the SPL (like sympathetic buzz from toms on a regular snare). Worth a try!!
Interesting drum however I'm not sure I would buy one. Nice demo!!!
Tuned down low it sounded so good, wow, Danny Carrey would love this thing I bet.
Joel, I have one for you too. I came across a "weird" Hack. While struggling with tuning my 2 Snares : a PDP Maple 14 X 5.5 and a DW Design Series Nickel over Brass 14 X 6.5. I tried an assortment of different Batter heads -trying to get to that "sound" - a John Bonham Ludwig Supraphonic sound. No Miking or Equing at all. It became a Project - a lesson in Sound Engineering. I'll qualify by saying I'm 72 YO, who resurrected playing Drums in 2019 after 50 Years [1969]. I play at home as a retirement Hobby / Pleasure. I was disgusted one day with the sound from my DW snare (which I purchased USED in 2021 via Reverb - it came delivered from the previous Owner with a HD Dry Batter head. It sounded Great right out of the delivery box), where I replaced the HD Dry head with a new one, I placed the DW snare atop of my 16" Floor Tom (16 X 14 [deep]). I was playing the PDP snare - but during a fill, I hit the DW snare atop of the Tom. That was a BINGO moment. It sounded great - solid, no Crackle, Supraphonic like!. The same with the PDP snare too. I could not replicate that sound no matter how I tuned the Snares. I tried other Batter heads : UV1, UV2, Remo Powerstroke 77 , etc. I posted this on drum forums. One poster kiddingly says I may have Invented a new Snare Stand. I actually did that ---- for a while. Here's another thing I discovered; I tried using an old Floor Tom from another cheapo kit (Gammon) 16 X 16 - that sounded different than the snare atop of the 16 X 14 Tom!. I further experimented (and still do to a point) with putting a older 16" floor tom batter head in the snare stand , and playing either snare in that manner - that changes & accentuates in a different manner as well. And one more benefit to these "Hacks" - it eliminates all Snare Buzz from the nearby Rack Toms. In another video of yours - you explain the sounds achieved when Miking and EQuing drums. I never realized the Nice sounds I heard on YT videos were influenced mightily by those factors. That explains to a point why I could not get to the sounds I was striving for - changing batter heads, tuning and re-tuning.
I apologize for the line thru my comments - I don't know why that happened.
OK, let me get my head around this... you place the snare on top of another drumhead (mounted (or not) to another drum... a floor tom? With no space between the two? And this creates the sound in the room the reminds you of John Bonham? I can honestly say I have never considered this -- it sounds loony, but it does warrant some examination.
Bonham, of couse, played a 6.5" deep Supraphonice (aluminum) snare with (as I understand it) Remo Emperor on batter and Ludwig snare side head (or Ambassador, depending on who you listen to). He reportedly used 42-strand snare wires. Virtually none of us have ever heard him playing this arrangement in a room without the benefit of a sound system (some were lucky enough to see LZ in concert, but that ain't what I'm talking about... no one I know of stood in a room with Bonzo banging away just him and drums, no mics), so we only know the RECORDED sound of his drums (and I may be blasphemous for saying this, but I don't care for the sound of the drums on a good many LZ records... a bit too unrefined for me -- though I thoroughly LOVE John Bonham's playing!). Perhaps this odd combination gave you, in the room, the a sound akin to the recorded sound of Bonham's snare?
There really is a tremendous difference between the sound of drums in a room compared to those same drums miked, recorded and played back through speakers. There are many times people get the exact sound they want in a room and cannot recreate it on a recording to save their lives. Tuning, drumhead selection, miking, all of it, really is quite an art, and most drummers, unfortunately, haven't had the exposure needed to really get a grasp of tuning for the sake of a specific sound on playback.
I'm gonna have to mess with some unconventional placement like you mention. Will be interesting to see what I can learn from it! Thanks so much for the tips!
We back to Firchie snares time.....
Im pretty sure Remo used the same shell material for their drumshells but called it Acousticon.
I think acousticon (at least the earlier versions) weren't like phenolic. I have seen many acousticon drums from the various eras of acousticon... the earlier stuff sucked up moisture like crazy and just collapsed like a paper towel tube. The latter acousicon formulations were much more durable and moisture resistance, though most still would collapse under high tension. True phenolic (and there are many types from paper based to fabric based) doesn't have those problems. It is quite durable and (for the most part) resistant to absorbing moisture).
I think Remo was wanting something like phenolic, but wanting it cheaper and easier to produce (it was originally used for their PTS "Pre Tuned System" drums that didn't use lugs but little clips instead. These were intended for entry level players and students to learn with a kit that sounded good, if pre tuned like a bebop jazz kit -- VERY high pitches/tension. Only after they put lugs on and the shells actually had to withstand pressure from conventional drumhead tuning with they see the need to reformulate the material for greater strength.
Up until a couple of years ago I had a 3.5x14 Remo snare that was the last version of acousticon (at least the last before they discontinued full kits in favor of only their Master Edge snare drums... not sure what they used for the ME snares), and I loved that drum. Eventually had so little use for such a shallow snare that I sold it, but throughout the entire time I owned it it held up well and sounded fantastic! I have often wondered what the ME snare drums sound like.... I've come close to pulling the trigger on one more than once, but so far haven't played one.
Thank you so much for being here and sharing your thoughts!!!
Cool, i have rototoms, dont use em, too shallow sounding, amazing how much more body it gets stacked over the snare shell, but what a relief near the end when he went back to the real snare, maybe it's just me, to each his own.
It is weird, like I said. Forces one to be creative, and in doing so I was pleased with some of the things I came up with. Not a snare, not a tom, definitely its own thing.
Thanks so much for sharing!
Just got the one off reverb. woooooooooooahhhh. hey have you checked out the Yamaha Tympani Tom? I have one of those they're incredible.
The one off of Reverb... sold by Carrington Restorations, by any chance? If so, you bought the very drum I used in this video!! I see that Dave's drum is indeed no longer listed, so I'm guessing you're the lucky new owner?
As for the Yamaha tympani floor tom, no, I have never seen one in person. I do remember them in the catalog in the very early 80s. I think I heard that Matt Chamberlain has one, but I've never seen them put to use.... something to be looking out for!
Thanks for being here, and congratulations on the purchase!
Interesting
I've wanted one of these for a few years, but they must be catching on because prices on Reverb seem to go up every time one pops up 😫
Hey bro! 😎 70s were full of weird inovations.... I never heard of that Pearl rotostuff before! Thank you! Maybe that´s the reason why Remo did that cardboard shells in the 80s? Called it "Acousticon" ...🙈
Hey, have you ever played one of those slotted Ludwig snares? I´ve been told they sound great ( well they have to, because they´re Ludwig´s 😍lol) but I never had the option to hear one or even buy one, ´cause they´re not produced anymore, right? Would be interesting to hear one.
Thanks a lot for this video! Greetings from Bavaria 🤠
I'm more familiar with Ludwig's slotted marching snares (I think the Blue Devils used them back when I was in high school... LOUD and aggressive bite those things had!). I have played a slotted coliseum and remember liking and not liking it at the same time. I'm not really a fan of deep snare drums if they don't have extended snare (the lack of crisp response leaves me wanting), and the slotted coliseum felt snappier, because of the brightness of the 'open' design, though it was a little disconcerting. That was a lifetime ago, though, so I'd be interested to put one through the wringer now. I am a HUGE Ludwig fan (particular back in the thick 6-ply days), so I should probably hunt one of those down and see what my experience is like now. Thanks for the idea (and my wife thanks you too 😜)!
I have one of these :}
5", 6.5", or 10" version???
Not sure. I'll email you.@@drumdotpizza
Love the channel, I'm in the Metro Plex also. I have a question more than a comment. I am restoring a Ludwig Chorme marching snare. I believe from 1976 blue & olive badge #1199099. The shell is welded and has Super Sensitive snare mechanism. My question was there a Stainless Steel model or is it chrome over steel?
Ludwig made many stainless steel marching snares... most that I've seen are indeed 15x12, though I have seen a couple of 14" as well, though not nearly so many as 15" for some reason. Since you say yours is welded I assume it is stainless steel? No wood in the shell?
Yes, no wood in the shell. Oh, by the way, this is my channel BarbecueBuild. Thanks for the confirmation. I'll post a video when I get it done.
What is that 45 degree sm57 called?
Look up 'Granelli' and 'SM57,' and you'll find it! Great invention!
@@drumdotpizza genius idea
what about the Firchie?
I listened to a band play with this snare, it was pretty cool, but not in a rich tonality way.
Haha classic EYEdentical. I like it wish Pearl can still produce the set but the only flaw I see it look cumbersome not that I a touring or gigging drummer haha
They're heavier than 'normal' drums, but as for the toms the mounts were the same as Pearl used for the their regular toms, so mounting wasn't an issue.
Skip all the way to 16:20 if you actually want to hear the drum. This guy talks for 15 minutes non-stop.
Two yutes
15 minutes of talking
3 minutes of demo
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Please reverse that 😇
Thank you for being here and for chiming in!
Yes, it is obvious I do have a tendency to ramble (which I am gradually improving the more I do this). Unfortunately demonstrations don't explain WHY drums behave the way they do. The 'why' is the primary reason I started this channel in the first place (see my earliest video standing in my kitchen talking about a drum shell's inherent pitch). The efficiency of my verbiage will naturally improve over time, of course, but in the interest of clarity and full disclosure this is a channel ABOUT DRUMS, not my playing. This will never be a performance channel.
Thank you for hanging in there!
@@drumdotpizza good luck with that 👍🏼