@@dominikarozmus6421 It's a useless extraneous feature. I'd rather companies spend their R&D on features that improve the car. Most of the time you won't be able to even see that welcoming feature on the VW because of how the car is parked. Like in my case, parking it in my garage head in, I would never see it.
Who the F cares, I agree, I don't care if my car blinks it's lights as I approach, really, sure nice if lights activate for a moment to confirm unlock but nothing more needed
You mean most negative - as realistic ?... not like I come to expect any less from Matek , but 4 me he's a real view of what's on current new cars market ... You and me can't possibly see & try every/most new cars , so Marek does it for us, which I really appreciate it, don't you agree?
Agree. But he gave very good reviews for i20n and Elantra .So maybe he thought it will be too much to give another good review for Hyundai,and be called a "fanboy". Hyundai Motor Company can fight with any automotive company in the world. They take risks and are not afraid to make changes sometimes very radical. I had first two gen. i30 now i drive current i30. It's nice to see improvement with each generation.
@dzh dzh I can give as many positive or negative reviews as I please. As far as I'm concerned the IONIQ 5 is not worth the hype. Potentially good platform (minus the moose test), but dressed up in old tech.
Agree with you. Not sure why but I guess Marek can compare with other EV and he thinks the Ioniq 5 it isn't the real deal. IMHO Ioniq 5 is just the best head turner I´ve seen in recent years. Some weeks ago I,ve get the chance to test the full equip version called Project 45 and it was awesome to say at least. Dressed up with top tech like the solar roof or the V2L features is just an strong competitor against some certain american EV brand :-)
Favorite review that I've seen so far on the ionic5! A car purchase is a big decision and its nice to have someone conduct the review by being critical, honest, and thorough. Thanks!!
Felt like you really needed to try hard to find something that you don't like :) I love the Ioniq5 from outside, but inside looks like it is from different car. That was the reason why I choose Kia EV6 instead of Hyundai.
Wow very nitpicky review focusing on a lot of irrelevant stuff. I prefer the recent british reviews of this car emphasising all the cool stuff in imaginative and fun way. This review is very cold.
@@MarekDrives Well it's nitpicky . For example: -complaining on position of the trunk opener, -lack of animation of LED headlights, -grease on the capacitive buttons, -opening the frunk from the car, -lack of center console (which i think is actually pretty cool), -you did not find a optimal driving positions (this is a first, everybody praising the seats and gear selector position) - "don't be fooled by the cool white graphics" haha what? ... I mean c'mon. :D I am not saying the review needs to be all flowers and positive, but you did not put any enthusiastic focus (you just list them coldly) on unique stuff which no other similarly priced car offers like V2L, solar roof option, zero gravity seats, amazing charging speed (taycan like), remotely driving the car from tight space only with the key fob etc... Well I guess that's your style and I can respect that, but it rubs me personally in the wrong direction. Peace :)
Trunk - annoying (not to mention their approach to open mechanism) Lights - yes, but wouldn't it be nice? Grease - the most annoying thing in all cars I review. Frunk - basic usability. Center console - that's an observation, not a complaint. Sitting position - observation. Infotainment - same old stuff in what looks like the future. Yes, it is competitively priced, and the price is a result of many cuts.
I can tell at 50 km/h the IONIQ 5 is out of its depth when it comes to sudden maneuvers. I have driven heavier and taller cars faster, and I have done silly things in them. This one starts with an understeer, goes into oversteer, and if I'm still trying to control it, it's back to understeer. All this at city speed. I'm waiting to see what km77 makes of the IONIQ 5, because they have more experience. And I didn't do it on purpose. I was on a track, and there was a cone slalom set up for someone's training session. I just drove into it, and two turns later I was all over the place.
@@MarekDrives you need to see asian petrolhead who has done 5 very long extensive reviews of this car unlike your biased self who does not know how half the tech and features work you moran
I'm curious what the tire air pressure was when the moose test was done. I'm a car sales person and when we want to do the stability test on a competitive car we lower the tire pressure so the tire side walls make the car act like this one did.
I like the Ioniq 5, so far my favourite EV replacement for my classic 28 Ioniq when my lease expires. You didn't show the sliding centre console and how it worked unfortunately. I like the ability to be able to move between the seats and not having a solid border control between the driver and front seat passenger.
@@MarekDrives If you're testing a car it would be a good approach to inform your viewers about the different possible trims even if you test car was not fitted with those features. Is a review from "Marek drives" not intended as a buyer's guide? Here in Germany the "universal island" (sliding console) is already standard in the second trim.
@@MarekDrives It doesn't matter if you test the Polish or German trim of the car. That's not the subject. Normally press cars come fully loaded to the tester. Thus the tester automatically reviews all gadgets and features the fully loaded car has. But if your car - as the tested IONIQ 5 - is not fully loaded at all than plenty of features will not be considered and - as in this case - not even mentioned with a single word. That's a pity.
@@Hollapopp well, I'm sorry that I got one of the early press cars that's been shipped to Poland from Germany before the Polish press cars arrive. I saw the moving console mentioned in the press release, but I haven't seen in in press footage, so I decided to omit from the review. Does it make or break this car? No. Is it innovative? No, we've seen it in French people carriers for years.
First time I pressed dislike, not because of the car, but the reviewer. None of the stuff you mention puts me off from the purchase. You also mention a lot of positive things, however the general tone is quite negative. This car is one of the best designed and technologically advanced EV recently and a great family car with that enormous wheelbase. Failing to acknowledge that, by raising some shady arguments, obviously points towards a bias either to EVs in general or Hyundai. You also left out some really nice features available in higher trims - why? Potential customers would really like to pay more for some of that stuff, which would probably give you a different perception of the car. For example - AWD, virtual reality HUD, solar roof... Also, that moose test looked much more dramatic inside the car due to your reaction, than it did in the outside camera. It's really counter intuitive to believe your dramatic reaction - car has wheels in the corners of the vehicle, quite a low center of gravity, and advanced multi link at the back. Also, the cones are not setup for a moose test, so it's some kind of a quasi test. Considering it's 2 ton vehicle of course you cannot expect it to perform like a Mazda Miata. I don't expect it to perform much different than ID4 for example.
Go and watch Asian Petrolhead barreling through corners in an IONIQ 5 at higher speeds without any problems. Even in this video, when seen from the outside the car looked stable throughout the manoeuvre. I can't see what the fuss is about.
The charging speed makes this a road trippable car. That's pretty much all that an EV needs to be better than an ICE car. Of course this is only true if you have a plug at home. Before people get all keyboard-warrior-y in the comments, the alternative is a Tucson or a Tiguan or some such - none of which are particularly memorable.
Excellent, informative videos. So far, I´ve watched the one for the Ioniq 5 and Cupra Born eboost. Have you tried the Smart #1 yet? I searched on your videos but didn´t see it. I´m leaning toward buying one of those and was wondering what you thought of the model.
A bit weirded out by the USB-A Chargers. But that leg room is just crazy. How could it move so much in the emergency maneuver? Too soft suspension? Conclusion doesn't sound concerning towards Tesla. Hmmm thought this could be a breakthrough, or at least it should be
Not sure why the review was just so sceptical but I guess Marek can compare with other EV and he thinks the Ioniq 5 isn't the real deal, just on par with others EV. IMHO Ioniq 5 is just the best head turner I´ve seen in recent years. Some weeks ago I,ve get the chance to test the full equip version called Project 45 and it was awesome to say at least. Strong competitor against some certain american EV brand :-)
At first, I was put off by Marek's criticism, which seemed nit-picky. But now I'm glad he pointed a few things that I'll look for when I go for a test drive in the U.S. later this year. Another reviewer complained that the interior has too much hard plastic, and a different RUclipsr thought the head-up display wasn't sharp enough. Still, I'm quite impressed with the IONIQ 5 based on the reviews I've seen. My only wish is that it were a bit smaller, but I can live with its size.
I had my friend drive it, and he also complained about the plastics. I don't mind them terribly (that's the least of this car's problems), but he drives an Audi, so obviously he felt the difference. Hyundai/KIA HUD is indeed a bit blurry, but I notice it mainly during filming, when I have to focus the camera on it. To human eye it's not a problem.
@@MarekDrives I test drove IONIQ 5 on a sunny day and had no problems with the clarity of the display. The HUD was also clearly visible at all times. What I didn't like was that the speedometer in the centre of the dashboard is partly obsured by the upper edge of the steering wheel. I ended up using the HUD to monitor my speed, much more convenient. Probably something I could fix by adjusting the steering wheel and/or the sitting position, but didn't have the time to try.
its audi q5 sized! and at the same time it looks like a small hatchback. looks great, love the lights (and i dont need that gimmick welcome scene), i dont like white UI and touchscreen HVAC.
@@MarekDrives excellent! EV6 is a great looking car. Unfortunately in Ireland it's starting price is €50k including government grants. Very close to Tesla pricing.
Thanks. Good question about the paint color, because there are 3 greys :) This was an early production model in not exactly market specification, so I didn't get a full spec sheet for it. I assume it's the Cyber Grey Metallic.
I agree with you about not being polished. However, It's abilities to charge fast and V2L (give electricity to appliances, e.g. laptop) are two functions that are time-saver for those who are able to work/charge/take a rest at the same time. Right now, options are limited so I cannot overlook some of its "imperfections.
Manual headlight adjustment on a car with leds? I can’t see any headlight cleaning either so I’m assuming the lights are rather weak, and not adaptive in any way.
Stinger GT :) TBH most EVs feel the same. While Hyundai and KIA have bold design, there seems to be a lot of features, which are just supposed to look cool, but I don't feel they'd be useful, like that separate button for reclining the driver's seat, or V2L (I can't recall the last time I found myself in a situation where I would consider this feature remotely useful). VW had a good EV - it was called the eGolf. Tesla has the SC network, and that's the only reason why anyone should buy a Tesla over any other EV. In the end it's down to where you live, and what's your use case scenario. I can imagine using an EV in certain scenarios, and even roadtripping it, but in my line of work and my location I find it too much of a hassle. And that's coming from a person living in a house with an external socket, and solar panels, so I can charge it guilt free and for cheap.
I don't see how extending the wheelbase gives you more space without removing some of the boot space as the distance from dashboard to inside of boot door would still be the same.
There is no engine under the bonnet, so they don't have to worry about building the crash safety structure around it. They are able to move the wheels to the very corners of the chassis. This is why the IONIQ 5 looks much smaller, than it really is. It's got more space inside than the Santa Fe.
I don't understand why he complain about his knee is to close to the gear shifter while in drive seat. Why can't he just moves the seat back a little?????
I also don't understand he made a big fuss about opening the frunk. All the EV cars that have frunk are opened this way, none of them has a power lift gate.
I noticed your upper legs are resting fully on the rear seat cushion. You are about 5'9"... so that's a good sign that the rear seat is up nice and high unlike so many cars in recent years.
@MarekDrivesENG I’m considering these two models as potential options. I like that both use electric motors as the driving force. Here in Serbia, the Ioniq 5 is priced at 39k RWD, and the fully loaded Nissan is 47k AWD. What I’d like to know is if there’s a noticeable difference in the driving experience between the two cars?
If you're asking about some sort of driving involvement, both are meh. As far Nissan's hybrid system is concerned, the X-Trail e4ORCE is loud, because it needs the engine to power the electric motors, so any way you look at it, you're getting the worst of both worlds: petrol engine, and high energy consumption, when you could benefit from petrol engine's efficiency on the motorway. Great AWD though, if you need to take it for a skiing holiday. While the IONIQ5 is great for sitting in traffic, and looks great, but I it's neither great for the city, nor for longer road trips (IMO).
@MarekDrivesENG, thank you for your response. Do you have any suggestions on what I should look for? I need a larger vehicle because of my two children and would appreciate more space in the back. A bigger boot is also important to me, and I’d like a car that is not sluggish. Any recommendations?
Is a 3-liter straight six BMW X3 (or X5) out of the question? ;) If you're looking at some sort of electrified propulsion, how about a PHEV? That may result in a bit more oompf, and give you the quiet ride on short-to-medium distances. New VW/Skoda crossovers with PHEV have claimed 100+ km EV range. So does Toyota RAV4 PHEV, and that's got 300 hp.
Don’t like the car huh? Of all the reviews I have seen yours is the only really negative one. It seemed you didn’t like one thing on this car. You are definitely biased against Hyundai for some reason .
How many proper reviews have you seen? By reviews I don't mean the recent first drive launch event videos, where people drive this for a couple of hours? Because after a couple of hours this is a great car. After a couple of days and 600-700 kilometers it is what I said it is.
@@MarekDrives Well then I guess I will have to see for myself when it comes here to the US. You also reviewed the low end model so that probably had a lot to do with your review as well.
That wasn't a Moose maneuver. Where's the Moose? It's supposed to be a reaction to something that juts out onto the road. That's not what he did in the video.
Marek, liking your videos, it's good to hear a different opinion. I do really like the Ioniq 5 quite a bit. I was up close with one recently at Farnborough in the UK, at the Fully Charged Show. They also had the Kia EV6 in a really nice mat looking grey, as well as the new Nissan Ariya. Lots of nice looking EV's on the way that don't cost so much money, like Tesla's.
Thanks. Which one did you like the most? I'll be reviewing the EV6 in a couple of months, but we probably won't get the Ariya here in Poland this year.
Marek seems to have as much of a bias against Korean cars as Mat Watson. It's hilarious that he gave rubbish like the VW ID4 which is objectively inferior in every metric an almost glowing review by comparison.
It's so simple I'm surprised I haven't thought of it earlier. That being said, YT is terrible at distinguishing viewers' preferred language, even though every video is internally marked as English/Polish language.
I expected it to be as big as a 5d hatchback... but when I drove past one yesterday, the car looked huge! Shame that the bezels of the screens look white, gives it a cheap samsung phone look of 2013
The look is realy cool, rest of it seems not that convincing. I do like the Skoda Enyaq very much. Tres chique inside - and quite well outside. Oh, and one more thing, Marek: Nice video (as always), but this time I found the background music somewhat annoying. Sorry to say.
I test drove the Enyaq too and it felt underpowered for its weight. No instant torque feeling you would expect in an electric car. Not impressed at all.
Thanks, Marek. Very informative. I had KIA EV6 GT on my short list, but ordered new BMW I4. Waiting to see your I4 review in future. Not fan of IONIQ 5 -design. I know that I4 is neither a design masterpiece, but hope that BMW beats KIA in driving dynamics..
I've got one on order, and I'm happy with my choice, but I know this car isn't perfect. Letting Hyundai know what they should do better can only help them to improve. My Top-5 biggest issues: 1) no navigation with charge stops??? WTF...; 2) Cd 0.288... means quickly decreasing range at higher speeds (130 k/h); 3) why give US buyers a bigger battery (77.4 kWh), but EU buyers only get 72.6 kWh???; 4) no rear windscreen wiper, but the spoiler doesn't blow rain away; 5) ugly Hyundai badges on front and back... Totally out of place on this design, but they cannot be removed unfortunately.
The future is here! And it's full of... past. For a car with a floor mounted battery, this Ioniq 5 is quite top heavy. I'm not sure they've figured it out. Hyundai is intriguing... Modern looks and classic clockwork.
Other than the fast charger capability whats so different from the Kona technology? Im not sure there is much other than size of the vehicle over the Kona… oh and it looks great 👍 My money would still buy Kona/Kia Niro.
It's a bit odd that the design is so simple and clean compared to the Tucson and Bayon. I like the boxy design, however "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".
Fut de Whack!!!? That moose manœuvre made the Ioniq 5 look like a pig. I think the design is cool. They really packaged the car to take advantage of it being an EV but I wonder how this compares to the ID4 AWD with respect to driving dynamics. Strangely, here in Canada the BMW i4 40 is going to start at 55k which is the same price as a 77Kw ID4. And I'm expecting this to be in the same price range. Which would you pick Marek? By the way, have you thought of starting a mobile cafe with the Ioniq 5?
As far as driving dynamics are concerned, it is similarly vague. For reasons, which are not reflected by numbers, the IONIQ 5 feels very awkward to park. Whenever I park on my property, rather than in the street, I have to reverse into a relatively wide gate, and very rarely do I have to correct the maneuver. In case of the IONIQ I never managed to reverse into the gate in one go, which suggests a bigger turning circle, than it really is. Don't get me wrong - 12 meters is a lot, but it seems like having those wheels close to the edges doesn't help maneuverability. It could use rear-wheel steering.
@@MarekDrives Right now the AWD ID4, when it arrives, will be 12k dollars less than a Model 3 AWD here in Canada. But if the driving dynamics are too soft, I might be better off getting a BMW i4 40 but it's RWD only. UGH. Ioniq 5 AWD looks interesting but who knows what the price will be. The Model 3 just wasn't appealing to me with all of the half baked ideas it has. All the Tesla fanatics seem to be blind to these issues but for me, they drive me crazy. How much does the Ioniq 5 AWD ID GTX and Model 3 AWD cost to start?
I really love the features, exterior and interior design of this car. I would really love it if Hyundai has a "luxury" trim that costs $5k more or something that decks out the interior in leather and soft touch materials. I assume the base trim with the smaller battery will be around $45k and the trim with the bigger battery pack and more power will be around $50k (after incentives here). I would definitely convert to this but the black plastic interior is an eyesore. Maybe Hyundai will come out with a more expensive model of this car or something. It's unfortunate that everything is so nice but the cabin materials is holding this back. This can easily be a nice luxury hatch/compact SUV otherwise.
I think it's fine. Indeed price plays a role and you can accept less as long as proportionate to the cash shed vs competition. I am less there for unproficient ADAS. We are getting there believe it or not, will it or not, and the pace is quite fast: expect long leap forward soon, in the background I seem its all set. The market will have its final hit when 5/600 km range will be a bottom figure for a mid premium car. 2/3 years the most.
It is good car. But...He just hate Hyundai. I agree. "The most negative reivew". I think that his life is negative. too. Hey Hyundai. Don't offer your cars.
Apart from the frunk car is a mishmash of ideas,lights look like something thought up in 70s,then nice sliding center console but then it looks like it was Friday afternoon and they said that will do,interior looks half done,why not add more storage under dash in center??
What an eye opener. I liked the Ioniq5 exterior But prefer the EV6 interior I think. Now I really need to see the IO5 side by side of a car I know in size. In pictures by it self you get the original Golf GTi feeling but this one must be huge. I like performance so I ordered a EV6 GT but are now hesitating as you describe the user interface tech as off the shelf old stuff. I was really hoping for ground breaking stuff on this platform. I suspect what goes for IO5 goes for EV6? I have to look at BMW i4 M50 too now as they are priced quite close. GT vs M50. Thanks Marek for another good review to watch. Honest and fun with feeling.
What level of engineer do you have to judge that way? Thank you for breaking down the Ioniq 5 so wrongly, then there are still left for us, then you can continue driving with horse and cart, or there is something wrong with that.
I drive 60-70 cars every year, which is a blessing, and a curse. I see how carmakers approach various elements and I have a broad comparison. If you only drive Hyundai, you won't be intimidated by the IONIQ 5. Hyundai played it safe, even though this model gave them an opportunity to improve on many things. Because compared to some European brands Hyundai/KIA lag in the ACC/LKA department. On the other hand at least they haven't overdone it, like VW, which IMO fucked up the new user interface starting with the ID.3 and the Golf Mk 8.
@@MarekDrives With all respect, I don't want to offend you. My family is involved in cars since the end of 1918. Myself 3rd generation, I am an engineer in automotive, electronics and automatisation. My son works as an engineer at Aston Martin UK. From 1985 as a Bosch engineer and since 1989 in my own automotive development company, I drove 1 or 2 different cars each working day. I give you some examples of your critics: if you say you have to open the driver's door, pull on a handle to open the bonnet, I think this is nearly the case on all the cars. On my BMW I even have to pull twice to open. That the rear camera is in the centre of the car, (protected from sun and rain influence) is for me more important than the place of the tailgate button. The place that you advise, is the place that is foreseen where LEDs indicates the state of charge on some versions like it does on the same place at the front. I prefer to see a cat behind my car when I drive rearwards than a bird in the sky. That some equipment is only available on higher versions, is normal I think, buy a BMW, Mercedes, VW without any options and you will see what you get, compare it. Sorry, Even the moose test, I saw Korean video's slaloming this car above 100 km/h, no problem at all. The centre of gravity is so low, that nothing happens. I don't have a Hyundai at all.
@@jankempynck3745 if you're an engineer this may be THE problem. My father is an engineer, and let's just say he's not about making things simpler :) - Frunk vs. engine bay opening mechanism. As a driver/car owner I look under the bonnet a couple of times a year to refill the washer fluid and MAYBE check the oil. That being said, I didn't do the latter before a 2.5k km road trip I'm currently on. If this was a frunk, and if I actually kept something useful in it (like charging cables) I'd have to open is several times a week. Remote control - easy. Doing the engine bay dance - complicated. It's good or bad UX. Engineers say - it works, leave it. I say make it more usable. BTW, the BMW pulls twice business is much better, because at least I don't get my hands dirty. The camera may be protected from the sun, but not from all the dirt thrown up from the road, when it is wet. There are ways around it - overengineer it like VW and Mercedes that put it under the badge flap, or overengineer it, and add a jet spray. I'd complain less, if the remote opening mechanism worked better, but it works the Hyundai/KIA way, which is IMHO awkward. Maybe it's a patent hing, and they couldn't do something different. I didn't know the black piece of plastic had any use. If as you say it shows state of charge, that's interesting. What was wrong with the three lights under the windshield? I don't know which car you saw slaloming at 100 km/h. Perhaps an AWD model. Mine was RWD. Perhaps the test driver was... I don't know... prepared. I tried a slalom with no preparation, and it was scary to say the least. I then tried several evasive maneuvers at 50 km/h, and the car was all over the place. I have driven the car, and I am sharing my experience and my opinions. Try it, and tell me what you think.
@@MarekDrives First: The fact that you did not know what the four (not three: 25-50-75-100% SoC) lights in the front and back bumper mean shows IMHO that your approach to this vehicle obviously lacked some intensity. You argue that three lights unter the windshield would be enough. You also argue (analogously) that a perfect car has to deal with well-thought-out UX. Okay, thats my opinion too. But following this claim your proposed solution would be everything else than satisfying: If you're standing behind the car you would have no chance at all to see the current SoC while charging (tinted glass problem, distance from standing behind the car, with mounted bicycle carrier etc.). If you're standing in front of the car you would also face problems to see the SoC because of possible direct glare to the windshield (sunlight). In contrast to that the solution that Hyundai has thought out is a good approach: Here it does not matter if you're standing in front or back of the car - you always see the current SoC when you're not sitting in the car. Second: You also argue that the frunk opening solution Hyundai has chosen is bullshit (analogously). You state: "If this was a frunk, and if I actually kept something useful in it (like charging cables) I'd have to open is several times a week. Remote control - easy. It's good or bad UX. Engineers say - it works, leave it. I say make it more usable.“. First: Only some people have to use a frunk "several times a week". For most people (commuters in Germany travel 17 km in average to work on a daily basis) opening the frunk one or two times per week is enough. Besides that your approach is not an ideal solution from a UX point of view. I’m using cars with built in keyless entry solution (Kessy, Comfort access, Keyless Go etc.) for several years. My key always stays in my backpack the whole year over - except when having to change the batteries in the remote. So it would be not a good UX approach digging the key out of a backpack every time the trunk has to be opened. It may be acceptable if you’re always carrying the key in your trouser pocket . But not everyone carries the key in his trouser pocket. You also state that BMW’s solution is much better because it does not leave dirty hands. But this solution is contrary to your obvious needs to open the frunk via the remote control. And does Hyundai’s solution always leave dirty hands? No, it does not. If you’re practicing a bit you don’t get dirty hands opening the trunk because the trunk opener mechanism (which is exposed when pulling the lever from inside the car) stays clean when the car is dirty, too. There is another point: When do you normally open the frunk of an electric car which has a capacity of 57 liters (RWD version) or 26 liters (AWD version)? If you want to pick up the charging cable (rarely to check or fill up the liquids). Okay. And what do you do to charge the car? You park the car and get out of it. So: Where is the obvious problem when you’re pulling the frunk opening lever from inside the car every time you get off the car for charing purposes? There is none. Of course it would be great if Hyundai would have chosen for a dedicated frunk opening button triggering an electric frunk opening mechanism from the inside. But that’s overengeneering you’re also criticizing. Given the price tag of the car (40K € in Germany) there is not so much room for those solutions. Opening the frunk exclusively with the infotainment system is also not a good approach because it’s generating mental stress to look for the virtual push button in different menus (especially for drivers that do not drive the car on a daily basis). To sum it up: In fact there is no UX-related problem (I’m working as an UX consultant) with the frunk opening mechanism Hyundai has chosen. It is a pragmatic and appropriate approach for the given task that everybody is capable of who ever has opened a bonnet before. There is no learning curve. It simply works as expected - good UX. Good and well thought out UX is not a specific and personal approach what you (and I) rate as the best solution. It's a solution that is suitable for the majority of the users. Of course many other competitors (e.g. MEB based vehicles, BMW iX3, iX...) do not have the problem with opening the frunk at all - because they have no frunk. BTW: As you proposed: I’ve tried the car for myself and told you that I’m thinking about.
@@MarekDrives Frunk: I am already glad that there is a Frunk in this car (not in VW, Skoda, Audi Q4). The fact that I don't need to take out my luggage to reach my charging cable is already a big advantage. My wife has a Zoe, so I know it very well. If you want to open with the remote key, this needs security measures so that you can only open it when the car is parked. Normally at home, you have a wall charger with an integrated charging cable. All the newer chargers are equipped with a charging cable, so it is only in an exceptional situation that you need to use your own cable, so you don't have to open the hood often. Rear Camera: I see a lot of cars with a badge flap, that doesn't close anymore. Rear trunk opening: The rear trunk can be opened in 4 ways: 1) button that you used 2) button on dashboard 3) button on smart key 4) automatically when you approach the rear of the car and wait for 3 seconds having the smart key in your pocket. This has to be set up in infotainment. So I think there is no reason to complain about it. State of charge: on the front and the rear there are 4 LEDs on the place you wanted the camera (black plastic), to quickly indicate the state of charge without the need to check your phone or go to look at the charge door or charger. Suspension: The suspension has personally be tuned and tested by german Engineer Albert Biermann, the guy who was responsible for the BMW motorsport suspension development in the '80s and '90s. So I don't think there is something wrong with it. That is what I answered to people who were scared about this car after seeing your video: -> As an automotive engineer, I will try to explain what happens with the suspension. It may be long, but if you take the time to read it then you will be reassured. In the past, they learned that the springs have to be calculated in function of the weight of the car. The higher the weight, the stiffer the springs. The shock absorbers are only used to damp the oscillations of the springs. So the springs had to do most of the job. I have worked so until 1994, certainly on race cars. The driver had to avoid curbs, to prevent the car from jumping up uncontrollably, just because of this stiff suspension. To give you an example a BMW 3 series race car at that time had springs with a rate of +/- 250 N/mm. In 1994 BMW motorsport racing division changed the springs to only +/- 100 N/mm, which was more than twice so soft as before for the same car weight. For me a very strange decision, until I saw that they used much more sophisticated shock absorbers, where they could control bound and rebound oscillations as well as the speed they respond. The big difference was now that the shock absorbers instead of the springs now played the main role in the suspension setup. The result was that car was much stable, didn't jump any more on track curbs. The car was much more confident to drive and the track time improved with 2.0 sec a lap, which was a huge difference. At that time suspension engineer Albert Biermann worked at BMW motorsport, so I am really sure he adopted this technique to the Ioniq 5 now as President and Head of Vehicle Test & High-Performance Development at Hyundai Motor/Kia Motors. Because of the fact that an EV car is very heavy, he adopted relatively soft springs, with shock absorbers tuned in the way I explained above, they let bound and rebound the car once, to increase comfort, but at the same time increase road holding. The car rolls a little bit more but is more stable at the end. In an exaggerated way you could compare it with a Citroen 2CV, inclining a lot, but never lose road contact. You have to get used to it, but once you get used to it, you will have more and more confidence in the car. See at what speed Charlie from Asian Petrolhead takes the corners, see also how the car reacts when passing speed bumps and you will understand. I respect your opinion and your ideas. It's a pity you didn't go to the Hyundai Journalist presentation in Valencia to do a lot of km's. I have some colleagues who already test this car and were very impressed, but I will try it myself in August. What I could already see, is that how much they drive the car, how much they appreciate it, not always in the first test, but certainly in the second. The guy from Nextmove Germany has an organisation with 400 EV cars. Every day he drives different EVs from all different brands. The EV car that he bought for his own personal use is an IONIQ 5. This is convincing I think. Kind Regards, Jan
Finally, the Marek Review. Thanks for being picky! This car's interior looks completely different from what I saw in Korean reviews. Hope I'll get to see glass ceiling with white interior.
So, I’m 50% through your Ioniq 5 review and all your comments so far apart bottle storage are negative, you are apparently the only car reviewer who does not rate this EV, I wonder why?
@@MarekDrives I have watched you car reviews for many years and was a longtime subscriber although not recently to be honest. I always found you reviews unbiased and refreshingly honest but have to say certainly not this review which in my opinion found to be rather negative. Look at other comments in the review where other viewers are of the same opinion as me. Enjoy your weekend.
Who the hell drives with their knees bent? 7:07 This person says the gear lever is on his knee with his right knee bent. Do you operate the accelerator and brake by hand? Or do you step on it with your left foot? Measure in the normal position with your right foot on the accelerator pedal. This is the first time I've seen such nonsense.
I like the design, but I hate how huge it is! This is closer to American Pick-Up truck than Golf. Also agree that Marek can be nitpicky, but the car obviously isn't as clever as everyone makes it out to be. I would rather have Kona.
@@seanholdom9739 I thought it was very balanced, some reviewers are falling over themselves hyping this car whilst missing the very obvious shortcomings.
OK, 60% covered now so I have to bail-out of your Ioniq 5 negative review, your music matches your negativity perfectly. The worst review I have seen from you accompanied with horrendous background. Music.
you are so biased 99% love this car and you don`t show many of the features of this car and is a lot cheaper than a fully loaded ID4,enyaq, Audi 5year warranty car of the year and 99% of car reviewers love this car.
This review was funny because this guy seemed to be very serious about ridiculous observations that don't make much sense. One funny example is he complains that his knee is too close to the gear stalk when he has his knee bent as much as possible. And then in the next segment you see him actually driving and his knee is nowhere near the gear stalk. LOL! In another part he talks about the lack of memory seat settings but the voice over says it's available in the higher trim. What? C'mon, this review was a joke.
@@MarekDrives I was under the impression that, due to the low center of gravity and regenerative breaking, electric cars tend to do quite well in this test. Myth busted, what can I say? :-D I'd still have a Tesla Model 3. Only thing that's in my way is my wife and her annoying valid arguments.
@vlad612 in theory they should be good, but in real life when you jerk 2 tons it's going to rock. More advanced cars have AWD, adaptive suspension, and other tech to help overcome it.
Amazing outside design, good space, good sound insulation but such a disappointment from the user interface and infotainment system. It is a car for Toyota and Lexus crowd who are used to such disappointments and sadness. But this car has no chance of hurting Tesla sales
Electric cars mean little more than "white goods" to me. Acceleration alone is just not enough. Also let's see some classic styling which makes a car attractive, not more boxy designs. At my age, I doubt I will ever have to buy one. Thank goodness.
They are appliances, but what is a Toyota Corolla? For now the Porsche Taycan seems like a good try, albeit a pricey one. But give carmakers some time, and I'm sure we're going to get something more exciting to drive that runs on volts.
The Model 3 is pretty enjoyable to drive - easily as good as Merc, BMW or Audi in normal specs. Performance versions, maybe not, but how many people actually buy an M3 vs a normal 3 series BMW?. Tesla Model 3 is sharp and responsive.
@@MarekDrives I saw a gunmetal colour Taycan yesterday and it does look very impressive. Beautiful styling, so perhaps there is hope after all. Have a good day :-)
@Jissan Huq we're distinguishing between a "white good", and an attractive car. I know it's subjective - I like the way the IONIQ 5 looks, but that 80s dot-matrix style may not suit everyone. However if you want an EV that stands out I'd say the Taycan is a good bet, as it incorporates many of the Porsche design characteristics, which many people seem to find generally acceptable.
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Complaining that the car doesn't "welcome you" when you approach? Really?
I know, ridiculous.
He compared it to the VW. Nowadays, cars have beautiful animations, and that's what he had in mind. The devil is in the details.
@@dominikarozmus6421 It's a useless extraneous feature. I'd rather companies spend their R&D on features that improve the car. Most of the time you won't be able to even see that welcoming feature on the VW because of how the car is parked. Like in my case, parking it in my garage head in, I would never see it.
it does flash its lights
Who the F cares, I agree, I don't care if my car blinks it's lights as I approach, really, sure nice if lights activate for a moment to confirm unlock but nothing more needed
He forgot or do not wanted to mention the good things about this car ;)
It's looks like Lancia Delta HF integrale which is one of the best car ever
Oh man the memories with Gran Turismo on PS2 and that car. That is why Ioniq5 speaks to me.
@@Windir91 oh yeah
Not a chance, the Delta looks way better.
or, you could say it looks like an Opel Signum
The most "negative" review I've seen of the ionic so far, most reviewers have been gushing about this car
You mean most negative - as realistic ?... not like I come to expect any less from Matek , but 4 me he's a real view of what's on current new cars market ...
You and me can't possibly see & try every/most new cars , so Marek does it for us, which I really appreciate it, don't you agree?
He reminds me of Scrooge. Very negative without reason… 🤷🏼♂️
Agree. But he gave very good reviews for i20n and Elantra .So maybe he thought it will be too much to give another good review for Hyundai,and be called a "fanboy".
Hyundai Motor Company can fight with any automotive company in the world. They take risks and are not afraid to make changes sometimes very radical. I had first two gen. i30 now i drive current i30. It's nice to see improvement with each generation.
@dzh dzh I can give as many positive or negative reviews as I please. As far as I'm concerned the IONIQ 5 is not worth the hype. Potentially good platform (minus the moose test), but dressed up in old tech.
Agree with you. Not sure why but I guess Marek can compare with other EV and he thinks the Ioniq 5 it isn't the real deal. IMHO Ioniq 5 is just the best head turner I´ve seen in recent years. Some weeks ago I,ve get the chance to test the full equip version called Project 45 and it was awesome to say at least. Dressed up with top tech like the solar roof or the V2L features is just an strong competitor against some certain american EV brand :-)
Favorite review that I've seen so far on the ionic5! A car purchase is a big decision and its nice to have someone conduct the review by being critical, honest, and thorough. Thanks!!
Glad it was helpful!
Felt like you really needed to try hard to find something that you don't like :) I love the Ioniq5 from outside, but inside looks like it is from different car. That was the reason why I choose Kia EV6 instead of Hyundai.
Yes, the "frunk" not opening with a motor and the offset tailgate handle are just like desperately trying to find "something".
Absolutely agree with you!!….
"Minecraft Golf" - perfect ! :-) Thx & best regards !
That's it.
Wow very nitpicky review focusing on a lot of irrelevant stuff. I prefer the recent british reviews of this car emphasising all the cool stuff in imaginative and fun way. This review is very cold.
What's irrelevant?
He is focusing on stuff that gets annoying when you own a car a couple of years.
@@MarekDrives Well it's nitpicky . For example:
-complaining on position of the trunk opener,
-lack of animation of LED headlights,
-grease on the capacitive buttons,
-opening the frunk from the car,
-lack of center console (which i think is actually pretty cool),
-you did not find a optimal driving positions (this is a first, everybody praising the seats and gear selector position)
- "don't be fooled by the cool white graphics" haha what?
... I mean c'mon. :D I am not saying the review needs to be all flowers and positive, but you did not put any enthusiastic focus (you just list them coldly) on unique stuff which no other similarly priced car offers like V2L, solar roof option, zero gravity seats, amazing charging speed (taycan like), remotely driving the car from tight space only with the key fob etc... Well I guess that's your style and I can respect that, but it rubs me personally in the wrong direction. Peace :)
Trunk - annoying (not to mention their approach to open mechanism)
Lights - yes, but wouldn't it be nice?
Grease - the most annoying thing in all cars I review.
Frunk - basic usability.
Center console - that's an observation, not a complaint.
Sitting position - observation.
Infotainment - same old stuff in what looks like the future.
Yes, it is competitively priced, and the price is a result of many cuts.
@@MarekDrives The car welcoming you is irrelevant.
Marek can you tell diference in moose test with other two ton monsters you tested before if you try it with them...
I can tell at 50 km/h the IONIQ 5 is out of its depth when it comes to sudden maneuvers. I have driven heavier and taller cars faster, and I have done silly things in them. This one starts with an understeer, goes into oversteer, and if I'm still trying to control it, it's back to understeer. All this at city speed. I'm waiting to see what km77 makes of the IONIQ 5, because they have more experience.
And I didn't do it on purpose. I was on a track, and there was a cone slalom set up for someone's training session. I just drove into it, and two turns later I was all over the place.
Hyundai website says that the top trim is equipped with what you're describing
@@suavemasky This around mid-spec in Poland, second from the bottom in Germany.
@@MarekDrives you need to see asian petrolhead who has done 5 very long extensive reviews of this car unlike your biased self who does not know how half the tech and features work you moran
@@MarekDrives see asian petrolhead who drives this car at speed around corners at speed with no problems
Finally. Very informative video as always.
I'm curious what the tire air pressure was when the moose test was done. I'm a car sales person and when we want to do the stability test on a competitive car we lower the tire pressure so the tire side walls make the car act like this one did.
TMPS didn't show anything out of the ordinary.
I like the Ioniq 5, so far my favourite EV replacement for my classic 28 Ioniq when my lease expires. You didn't show the sliding centre console and how it worked unfortunately. I like the ability to be able to move between the seats and not having a solid border control between the driver and front seat passenger.
The center console is fixed in this one. I suspect the sliding console is part of that Relaxation Pack on top trim.
@@MarekDrives If you're testing a car it would be a good approach to inform your viewers about the different possible trims even if you test car was not fitted with those features. Is a review from "Marek drives" not intended as a buyer's guide? Here in Germany the "universal island" (sliding console) is already standard in the second trim.
I am unable to account for every trim in every market.
@@MarekDrives It doesn't matter if you test the Polish or German trim of the car. That's not the subject. Normally press cars come fully loaded to the tester. Thus the tester automatically reviews all gadgets and features the fully loaded car has. But if your car - as the tested IONIQ 5 - is not fully loaded at all than plenty of features will not be considered and - as in this case - not even mentioned with a single word. That's a pity.
@@Hollapopp well, I'm sorry that I got one of the early press cars that's been shipped to Poland from Germany before the Polish press cars arrive. I saw the moving console mentioned in the press release, but I haven't seen in in press footage, so I decided to omit from the review. Does it make or break this car? No. Is it innovative? No, we've seen it in French people carriers for years.
First time I pressed dislike, not because of the car, but the reviewer. None of the stuff you mention puts me off from the purchase. You also mention a lot of positive things, however the general tone is quite negative. This car is one of the best designed and technologically advanced EV recently and a great family car with that enormous wheelbase. Failing to acknowledge that, by raising some shady arguments, obviously points towards a bias either to EVs in general or Hyundai. You also left out some really nice features available in higher trims - why? Potential customers would really like to pay more for some of that stuff, which would probably give you a different perception of the car. For example - AWD, virtual reality HUD, solar roof...
Also, that moose test looked much more dramatic inside the car due to your reaction, than it did in the outside camera. It's really counter intuitive to believe your dramatic reaction - car has wheels in the corners of the vehicle, quite a low center of gravity, and advanced multi link at the back. Also, the cones are not setup for a moose test, so it's some kind of a quasi test. Considering it's 2 ton vehicle of course you cannot expect it to perform like a Mazda Miata. I don't expect it to perform much different than ID4 for example.
i agree i`ve ordered p45 version which is fully loaded with heat pump solar roof and matte paint for £48,000 a bargain.
also see extensive reviews from asian petrolhead
Go and watch Asian Petrolhead barreling through corners in an IONIQ 5 at higher speeds without any problems. Even in this video, when seen from the outside the car looked stable throughout the manoeuvre. I can't see what the fuss is about.
Also, no mention of the augmented HUD.
Design masterpiece
The charging speed makes this a road trippable car. That's pretty much all that an EV needs to be better than an ICE car. Of course this is only true if you have a plug at home. Before people get all keyboard-warrior-y in the comments, the alternative is a Tucson or a Tiguan or some such - none of which are particularly memorable.
Excellent, informative videos. So far, I´ve watched the one for the Ioniq 5 and Cupra Born eboost. Have you tried the Smart #1 yet? I searched on your videos but didn´t see it. I´m leaning toward buying one of those and was wondering what you thought of the model.
Not yet! So far Smart #1 is available in a handful of European markets, and it's not certain it will even come to Poland.
I"m curious about the 2022 Chevrolet Bolt EV and Bolt EUV. Too bad you don't get them in Europe.
A bit weirded out by the USB-A Chargers. But that leg room is just crazy. How could it move so much in the emergency maneuver? Too soft suspension? Conclusion doesn't sound concerning towards Tesla. Hmmm thought this could be a breakthrough, or at least it should be
This would make a great taxi :)
@@MarekDrives except for Berlin Taxi Drivers...not dynamic enough :D
Hope you get a chance to review the new facelift 2025 Ioniq 5..quite a lot of changes.
The lights do animate when you unlock it, pixel by pixel and look very cool. Test drove one last week.
Maybe on higher trim?
@@MarekDrives the one I drove was a UK spec 73Kw Premium model, albeit not the top of the range Ultimate👍
Not sure why the review was just so sceptical but I guess Marek can compare with other EV and he thinks the Ioniq 5 isn't the real deal, just on par with others EV. IMHO Ioniq 5 is just the best head turner I´ve seen in recent years. Some weeks ago I,ve get the chance to test the full equip version called Project 45 and it was awesome to say at least. Strong competitor against some certain american EV brand :-)
that car will last longer that unreliable german cars . LMAO!
At first, I was put off by Marek's criticism, which seemed nit-picky. But now I'm glad he pointed a few things that I'll look for when I go for a test drive in the U.S. later this year. Another reviewer complained that the interior has too much hard plastic, and a different RUclipsr thought the head-up display wasn't sharp enough. Still, I'm quite impressed with the IONIQ 5 based on the reviews I've seen. My only wish is that it were a bit smaller, but I can live with its size.
I had my friend drive it, and he also complained about the plastics. I don't mind them terribly (that's the least of this car's problems), but he drives an Audi, so obviously he felt the difference. Hyundai/KIA HUD is indeed a bit blurry, but I notice it mainly during filming, when I have to focus the camera on it. To human eye it's not a problem.
@@MarekDrives I test drove IONIQ 5 on a sunny day and had no problems with the clarity of the display. The HUD was also clearly visible at all times. What I didn't like was that the speedometer in the centre of the dashboard is partly obsured by the upper edge of the steering wheel. I ended up using the HUD to monitor my speed, much more convenient. Probably something I could fix by adjusting the steering wheel and/or the sitting position, but didn't have the time to try.
its audi q5 sized! and at the same time it looks like a small hatchback. looks great, love the lights (and i dont need that gimmick welcome scene), i dont like white UI and touchscreen HVAC.
Nice review Marek. I'll be interested to see your review of the EV6 and how you feel they compare 👍
I expect to get my hands on it mid autumn.
@@MarekDrives excellent! EV6 is a great looking car. Unfortunately in Ireland it's starting price is €50k including government grants. Very close to Tesla pricing.
Congrats ..we re about to shoot review of our 8000km trip across Canada in our etron as well ..so much fun !
Nice review what color was that model? Really liked it thanks ☕
Thanks.
Good question about the paint color, because there are 3 greys :)
This was an early production model in not exactly market specification, so I didn't get a full spec sheet for it. I assume it's the Cyber Grey Metallic.
I agree with you about not being polished. However, It's abilities to charge fast and V2L (give electricity to appliances, e.g. laptop) are two functions that are time-saver for those who are able to work/charge/take a rest at the same time. Right now, options are limited so I cannot overlook some of its "imperfections.
great review. I wonder can you remove the branding? Ionic 5 and all the logos?
I don't like the column transmission stalk on Ioniq 5, EV6 has a more interesting interior with curved display
I don't like the curve display concept in a car, bc it'd makes the passager hard to interact with infotament system (I assume)
Manual headlight adjustment on a car with leds? I can’t see any headlight cleaning either so I’m assuming the lights are rather weak, and not adaptive in any way.
That is correct
@@MarekDrives wrong the llights are very strong see asian petrolhead
Is it just me or marek doesn’t have a model 3 review??? Can you please do a model 3 review Marek…
Tesla doesn't have press cars, so I'm not reviewing them. Just to be clear, I have driven a Model S and a Model 3. They're meh IMO.
@@MarekDrives what would you say is the best between Model 3 vs Ioniq 5 vs Kia EV 6 vs VW ID4?
@@MarekDrives btw I love your reviews, you’re so critical, I know when you say something is good, it actually is 😂
Stinger GT :)
TBH most EVs feel the same. While Hyundai and KIA have bold design, there seems to be a lot of features, which are just supposed to look cool, but I don't feel they'd be useful, like that separate button for reclining the driver's seat, or V2L (I can't recall the last time I found myself in a situation where I would consider this feature remotely useful). VW had a good EV - it was called the eGolf. Tesla has the SC network, and that's the only reason why anyone should buy a Tesla over any other EV.
In the end it's down to where you live, and what's your use case scenario. I can imagine using an EV in certain scenarios, and even roadtripping it, but in my line of work and my location I find it too much of a hassle. And that's coming from a person living in a house with an external socket, and solar panels, so I can charge it guilt free and for cheap.
Where is it produced? Can it tow?
Korea, 1600kg on tow.
I was curios to see if Marek would bash this car too .... and he didn't disappoint!
I don't see how extending the wheelbase gives you more space without removing some of the boot space as the distance from dashboard to inside of boot door would still be the same.
There is no engine under the bonnet, so they don't have to worry about building the crash safety structure around it. They are able to move the wheels to the very corners of the chassis. This is why the IONIQ 5 looks much smaller, than it really is. It's got more space inside than the Santa Fe.
I don't understand why he complain about his knee is to close to the gear shifter while in drive seat. Why can't he just moves the seat back a little?????
I also don't understand he made a big fuss about opening the frunk. All the EV cars that have frunk are opened this way, none of them has a power lift gate.
I also don't understand why he made a big deal of the rear power lift gate button location. Most of the cars of doing this way.
I can't move the seat back any further, because I won't be able to reach the steering wheel.
@@MarekDrives That's the reason why the electric driver seat has a built-in support to adjust the inclination.
And how does that help, when reach adjustment in the steering column is insufficient? I'm not a chimp with arms longer than legs :)
I noticed your upper legs are resting fully on the rear seat cushion. You are about 5'9"... so that's a good sign that the rear seat is up nice and high unlike so many cars in recent years.
Yes, it's like the car's been designed for taxi duty.
Do you prefer the electric Ioniq or the hybrid one?
We're talking Ioniq, not Ioniq 5 right? Hybrid.
@@MarekDrives Yes.
11:20 Was worried about you there Marek!
can nissan xtrail compare in any way with this?
Both have 4 wheels and 4 doors?
What similarities or differences specifically are you interested in?
@MarekDrivesENG I’m considering these two models as potential options. I like that both use electric motors as the driving force. Here in Serbia, the Ioniq 5 is priced at 39k RWD, and the fully loaded Nissan is 47k AWD. What I’d like to know is if there’s a noticeable difference in the driving experience between the two cars?
If you're asking about some sort of driving involvement, both are meh.
As far Nissan's hybrid system is concerned, the X-Trail e4ORCE is loud, because it needs the engine to power the electric motors, so any way you look at it, you're getting the worst of both worlds: petrol engine, and high energy consumption, when you could benefit from petrol engine's efficiency on the motorway. Great AWD though, if you need to take it for a skiing holiday.
While the IONIQ5 is great for sitting in traffic, and looks great, but I it's neither great for the city, nor for longer road trips (IMO).
@MarekDrivesENG, thank you for your response. Do you have any suggestions on what I should look for? I need a larger vehicle because of my two children and would appreciate more space in the back. A bigger boot is also important to me, and I’d like a car that is not sluggish. Any recommendations?
Is a 3-liter straight six BMW X3 (or X5) out of the question? ;)
If you're looking at some sort of electrified propulsion, how about a PHEV? That may result in a bit more oompf, and give you the quiet ride on short-to-medium distances. New VW/Skoda crossovers with PHEV have claimed 100+ km EV range. So does Toyota RAV4 PHEV, and that's got 300 hp.
Great video 👍🏻👌🏻
Thank you 👍
Don’t like the car huh? Of all the reviews I have seen yours is the only really negative one. It seemed you didn’t like one thing on this car. You are definitely biased against Hyundai for some reason .
How many proper reviews have you seen? By reviews I don't mean the recent first drive launch event videos, where people drive this for a couple of hours? Because after a couple of hours this is a great car. After a couple of days and 600-700 kilometers it is what I said it is.
@@MarekDrives How many kilometers did you drive in it?
@@MarekDrives Well then I guess I will have to see for myself when it comes here to the US. You also reviewed the low end model so that probably had a lot to do with your review as well.
@Roman Werpachowski 600 km I can account for, because I know exactly where I went with it, plus an estimated 100-200 km just doing my daily stuff.
@@MarekDrives I seen over 30 different reviews of this car and are lot more comprehensive than your narrow mined biased review
"Moose manoeuvre" 😂 Should be a standard test in all future videos!
That wasn't a Moose maneuver. Where's the Moose? It's supposed to be a reaction to something that juts out onto the road. That's not what he did in the video.
@@theexmann No animals were hurt during the filming of this video.
@@Alex-nt1br Hahaha.
Marek, liking your videos, it's good to hear a different opinion. I do really like the Ioniq 5 quite a bit. I was up close with one recently at Farnborough in the UK, at the Fully Charged Show. They also had the Kia EV6 in a really nice mat looking grey, as well as the new Nissan Ariya. Lots of nice looking EV's on the way that don't cost so much money, like Tesla's.
Thanks. Which one did you like the most?
I'll be reviewing the EV6 in a couple of months, but we probably won't get the Ariya here in Poland this year.
Looking forward Citroen C5X review
Marek seems to have as much of a bias against Korean cars as Mat Watson. It's hilarious that he gave rubbish like the VW ID4 which is objectively inferior in every metric an almost glowing review by comparison.
I haven't seen any of his reviews recently, so I cannot comment.
@@MarekDrives you are being paid by vw
I’m 194 cm and don’t get stuck under the cruise control… some critics seems to be really constructed.
Has Poland been totallly americanized?
Why?
I love the external design of the car but the inside is so basic. Still, a great honest review.
Another excellent video. A very exciting time to be interested in cars……So much innovation coming with electric cars
Thank you for the uk / Poland flag!
It's so simple I'm surprised I haven't thought of it earlier.
That being said, YT is terrible at distinguishing viewers' preferred language, even though every video is internally marked as English/Polish language.
First thing first, awesome review 👍 👏 it's a good start for Hyundai EV but we should see what future holds for EVs.
Very likely the most desirable car in the world and this prat spends most of his time moaning about unimportant issues 🙄
Most desirable car in the world? That's a big statement.
@@MarekDrives see auto express car of the year, family car of the year , design car of the year. you moran
I expected it to be as big as a 5d hatchback... but when I drove past one yesterday, the car looked huge!
Shame that the bezels of the screens look white, gives it a cheap samsung phone look of 2013
Yes, they didn't bother redesigning the infotainment, just slapped a white skin on it.
@@MarekDrives Indeed, the rounded buttons etc don't fit the straight lines of the exterior of the car...
@@kevintheys exactly - good point! There is no consequency in it.
@@MarekDrives its a brand new information sreen unlike your crap german cars are very slow also ypu can put into dark mode.
The look is realy cool, rest of it seems not that convincing.
I do like the Skoda Enyaq very much. Tres chique inside - and quite well outside.
Oh, and one more thing, Marek: Nice video (as always), but this time I found the background music somewhat annoying. Sorry to say.
Fair enough!
I test drove the Enyaq too and it felt underpowered for its weight. No instant torque feeling you would expect in an electric car. Not impressed at all.
Thanks, Marek. Very informative. I had KIA EV6 GT on my short list, but ordered new BMW I4. Waiting to see your I4 review in future. Not fan of IONIQ 5 -design. I know that I4 is neither a design masterpiece, but hope that BMW beats KIA in driving dynamics..
I've got the iX lined up sooner, than the i4. But sooner or later that will come too.
@@MarekDrives its a load of crap and far too expensive and ugly
the reviewer sounds like he drives a Kia from the 90's and is very bitter.
stand behind the boot it opens after 3secs
yes, that's the worst.
I've got one on order, and I'm happy with my choice, but I know this car isn't perfect. Letting Hyundai know what they should do better can only help them to improve. My Top-5 biggest issues: 1) no navigation with charge stops??? WTF...; 2) Cd 0.288... means quickly decreasing range at higher speeds (130 k/h); 3) why give US buyers a bigger battery (77.4 kWh), but EU buyers only get 72.6 kWh???; 4) no rear windscreen wiper, but the spoiler doesn't blow rain away; 5) ugly Hyundai badges on front and back... Totally out of place on this design, but they cannot be removed unfortunately.
The US spec seems to be slightly more powerful as well, so maybe that explains the battery capacity hike. I suspect it's a regulatory/pricing issue.
agreed. Teslabjorn has noted that it's quite thirsty at higher speeds.
Are you sure about point 1? I've seen this on other RUclips reviews
A very nice car, but the infrastructure for charging electric cars here in the is dire.
The future is here! And it's full of... past.
For a car with a floor mounted battery, this Ioniq 5 is quite top heavy.
I'm not sure they've figured it out.
Hyundai is intriguing... Modern looks and classic clockwork.
Other than the fast charger capability whats so different from the Kona technology?
Im not sure there is much other than size of the vehicle over the Kona… oh and it looks great 👍
My money would still buy Kona/Kia Niro.
It's a bit odd that the design is so simple and clean compared to the Tucson and Bayon. I like the boxy design, however "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".
auto express car of the year also it has lot of legroom 99% of reviews love this car
“If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.”
Fut de Whack!!!? That moose manœuvre made the Ioniq 5 look like a pig. I think the design is cool. They really packaged the car to take advantage of it being an EV but I wonder how this compares to the ID4 AWD with respect to driving dynamics. Strangely, here in Canada the BMW i4 40 is going to start at 55k which is the same price as a 77Kw ID4. And I'm expecting this to be in the same price range. Which would you pick Marek? By the way, have you thought of starting a mobile cafe with the Ioniq 5?
As far as driving dynamics are concerned, it is similarly vague. For reasons, which are not reflected by numbers, the IONIQ 5 feels very awkward to park. Whenever I park on my property, rather than in the street, I have to reverse into a relatively wide gate, and very rarely do I have to correct the maneuver. In case of the IONIQ I never managed to reverse into the gate in one go, which suggests a bigger turning circle, than it really is. Don't get me wrong - 12 meters is a lot, but it seems like having those wheels close to the edges doesn't help maneuverability. It could use rear-wheel steering.
@@MarekDrives Right now the AWD ID4, when it arrives, will be 12k dollars less than a Model 3 AWD here in Canada. But if the driving dynamics are too soft, I might be better off getting a BMW i4 40 but it's RWD only. UGH. Ioniq 5 AWD looks interesting but who knows what the price will be. The Model 3 just wasn't appealing to me with all of the half baked ideas it has. All the Tesla fanatics seem to be blind to these issues but for me, they drive me crazy.
How much does the Ioniq 5 AWD ID GTX and Model 3 AWD cost to start?
I really love the features, exterior and interior design of this car. I would really love it if Hyundai has a "luxury" trim that costs $5k more or something that decks out the interior in leather and soft touch materials. I assume the base trim with the smaller battery will be around $45k and the trim with the bigger battery pack and more power will be around $50k (after incentives here). I would definitely convert to this but the black plastic interior is an eyesore. Maybe Hyundai will come out with a more expensive model of this car or something. It's unfortunate that everything is so nice but the cabin materials is holding this back. This can easily be a nice luxury hatch/compact SUV otherwise.
shouldn't you be looking for a Genesis GV60 instead? Ioniq 5 never meant to be a luxury car
@@taison03251970 yes but I like everything else about the ioniq 5 and I wanted full EV. I don't think so have the GV60 here yet
@@BN99239 The G80 arrives at the dealers as a Full EV version these days.
try ultimate trim has ventilated seats that fully recline
I think it's fine. Indeed price plays a role and you can accept less as long as proportionate to the cash shed vs competition. I am less there for unproficient ADAS.
We are getting there believe it or not, will it or not, and the pace is quite fast: expect long leap forward soon, in the background I seem its all set. The market will have its final hit when 5/600 km range will be a bottom figure for a mid premium car. 2/3 years the most.
It is good car.
But...He just hate Hyundai.
I agree. "The most negative reivew".
I think that his life is negative. too. Hey Hyundai. Don't offer your cars.
That guy was on point and he was neutral. 강성범 따위 보는 놈 답다
@@minggus9649 bollocks
Great nintendo soundtrack
lacks the final Polish, lol!
Apart from the frunk car is a mishmash of ideas,lights look like something thought up in 70s,then nice sliding center console but then it looks like it was Friday afternoon and they said that will do,interior looks half done,why not add more storage under dash in center??
I get the strong impression Marek is disappointed and frustrated with the IONIQ 5
Disappointed - yes. Frustrated? I didn't even plan on buying one, so I couldn't care less :)
@@MarekDrives I couln`t care less on your reviews as 99% of rewiews love this car you are such a moran
This guy is just sarcastic and nit picking, a bit like me complaining other reviewers wear better Tee Shirts.
No they don't :p
What an eye opener. I liked the Ioniq5 exterior But prefer the EV6 interior I think. Now I really need to see the IO5 side by side of a car I know in size. In pictures by it self you get the original Golf GTi feeling but this one must be huge. I like performance so I ordered a EV6 GT but are now hesitating as you describe the user interface tech as off the shelf old stuff. I was really hoping for ground breaking stuff on this platform. I suspect what goes for IO5 goes for EV6? I have to look at BMW i4 M50 too now as they are priced quite close. GT vs M50. Thanks Marek for another good review to watch. Honest and fun with feeling.
Thanks. Yes, EV6 will be similar in terms of tech. I don't know when I'll be driving the i4, bo iX is coming in autumn, so stay tuned.
don`t listen to this moran I have tried this car out myself and intrface tech is alot faster than german cars also voice reconition is from alexis
I like this moron better than Alexa 🙄
What level of engineer do you have to judge that way? Thank you for breaking down the Ioniq 5 so wrongly, then there are still left for us, then you can continue driving with horse and cart, or there is something wrong with that.
I drive 60-70 cars every year, which is a blessing, and a curse. I see how carmakers approach various elements and I have a broad comparison. If you only drive Hyundai, you won't be intimidated by the IONIQ 5. Hyundai played it safe, even though this model gave them an opportunity to improve on many things. Because compared to some European brands Hyundai/KIA lag in the ACC/LKA department. On the other hand at least they haven't overdone it, like VW, which IMO fucked up the new user interface starting with the ID.3 and the Golf Mk 8.
@@MarekDrives With all respect, I don't want to offend you. My family is involved in cars since the end of 1918. Myself 3rd generation, I am an engineer in automotive, electronics and automatisation. My son works as an engineer at Aston Martin UK. From 1985 as a Bosch engineer and since 1989 in my own automotive development company, I drove 1 or 2 different cars each working day. I give you some examples of your critics: if you say you have to open the driver's door, pull on a handle to open the bonnet, I think this is nearly the case on all the cars. On my BMW I even have to pull twice to open. That the rear camera is in the centre of the car, (protected from sun and rain influence) is for me more important than the place of the tailgate button. The place that you advise, is the place that is foreseen where LEDs indicates the state of charge on some versions like it does on the same place at the front. I prefer to see a cat behind my car when I drive rearwards than a bird in the sky. That some equipment is only available on higher versions, is normal I think, buy a BMW, Mercedes, VW without any options and you will see what you get, compare it. Sorry, Even the moose test, I saw Korean video's slaloming this car above 100 km/h, no problem at all. The centre of gravity is so low, that nothing happens. I don't have a Hyundai at all.
@@jankempynck3745 if you're an engineer this may be THE problem. My father is an engineer, and let's just say he's not about making things simpler :)
- Frunk vs. engine bay opening mechanism. As a driver/car owner I look under the bonnet a couple of times a year to refill the washer fluid and MAYBE check the oil. That being said, I didn't do the latter before a 2.5k km road trip I'm currently on.
If this was a frunk, and if I actually kept something useful in it (like charging cables) I'd have to open is several times a week. Remote control - easy. Doing the engine bay dance - complicated. It's good or bad UX. Engineers say - it works, leave it. I say make it more usable.
BTW, the BMW pulls twice business is much better, because at least I don't get my hands dirty.
The camera may be protected from the sun, but not from all the dirt thrown up from the road, when it is wet. There are ways around it - overengineer it like VW and Mercedes that put it under the badge flap, or overengineer it, and add a jet spray. I'd complain less, if the remote opening mechanism worked better, but it works the Hyundai/KIA way, which is IMHO awkward. Maybe it's a patent hing, and they couldn't do something different.
I didn't know the black piece of plastic had any use. If as you say it shows state of charge, that's interesting. What was wrong with the three lights under the windshield?
I don't know which car you saw slaloming at 100 km/h. Perhaps an AWD model. Mine was RWD. Perhaps the test driver was... I don't know... prepared. I tried a slalom with no preparation, and it was scary to say the least. I then tried several evasive maneuvers at 50 km/h, and the car was all over the place.
I have driven the car, and I am sharing my experience and my opinions. Try it, and tell me what you think.
@@MarekDrives First: The fact that you did not know what the four (not three: 25-50-75-100% SoC) lights in the front and back bumper mean shows IMHO that your approach to this vehicle obviously lacked some intensity. You argue that three lights unter the windshield would be enough. You also argue (analogously) that a perfect car has to deal with well-thought-out UX. Okay, thats my opinion too. But following this claim your proposed solution would be everything else than satisfying: If you're standing behind the car you would have no chance at all to see the current SoC while charging (tinted glass problem, distance from standing behind the car, with mounted bicycle carrier etc.). If you're standing in front of the car you would also face problems to see the SoC because of possible direct glare to the windshield (sunlight). In contrast to that the solution that Hyundai has thought out is a good approach: Here it does not matter if you're standing in front or back of the car - you always see the current SoC when you're not sitting in the car.
Second: You also argue that the frunk opening solution Hyundai has chosen is bullshit (analogously). You state: "If this was a frunk, and if I actually kept something useful in it (like charging cables) I'd have to open is several times a week. Remote control - easy. It's good or bad UX. Engineers say - it works, leave it. I say make it more usable.“. First: Only some people have to use a frunk "several times a week". For most people (commuters in Germany travel 17 km in average to work on a daily basis) opening the frunk one or two times per week is enough. Besides that your approach is not an ideal solution from a UX point of view. I’m using cars with built in keyless entry solution (Kessy, Comfort access, Keyless Go etc.) for several years. My key always stays in my backpack the whole year over - except when having to change the batteries in the remote. So it would be not a good UX approach digging the key out of a backpack every time the trunk has to be opened. It may be acceptable if you’re always carrying the key in your trouser pocket . But not everyone carries the key in his trouser pocket.
You also state that BMW’s solution is much better because it does not leave dirty hands. But this solution is contrary to your obvious needs to open the frunk via the remote control. And does Hyundai’s solution always leave dirty hands? No, it does not. If you’re practicing a bit you don’t get dirty hands opening the trunk because the trunk opener mechanism (which is exposed when pulling the lever from inside the car) stays clean when the car is dirty, too.
There is another point: When do you normally open the frunk of an electric car which has a capacity of 57 liters (RWD version) or 26 liters (AWD version)? If you want to pick up the charging cable (rarely to check or fill up the liquids). Okay. And what do you do to charge the car? You park the car and get out of it. So: Where is the obvious problem when you’re pulling the frunk opening lever from inside the car every time you get off the car for charing purposes? There is none. Of course it would be great if Hyundai would have chosen for a dedicated frunk opening button triggering an electric frunk opening mechanism from the inside. But that’s overengeneering you’re also criticizing. Given the price tag of the car (40K € in Germany) there is not so much room for those solutions. Opening the frunk exclusively with the infotainment system is also not a good approach because it’s generating mental stress to look for the virtual push button in different menus (especially for drivers that do not drive the car on a daily basis).
To sum it up: In fact there is no UX-related problem (I’m working as an UX consultant) with the frunk opening mechanism Hyundai has chosen. It is a pragmatic and appropriate approach for the given task that everybody is capable of who ever has opened a bonnet before. There is no learning curve. It simply works as expected - good UX. Good and well thought out UX is not a specific and personal approach what you (and I) rate as the best solution. It's a solution that is suitable for the majority of the users.
Of course many other competitors (e.g. MEB based vehicles, BMW iX3, iX...) do not have the problem with opening the frunk at all - because they have no frunk.
BTW: As you proposed: I’ve tried the car for myself and told you that I’m thinking about.
@@MarekDrives Frunk: I am already glad that there is a Frunk in this car (not in VW, Skoda, Audi Q4). The fact that I don't need to take out my luggage to reach my charging cable is already a big advantage. My wife has a Zoe, so I know it very well. If you want to open with the remote key, this needs security measures so that you can only open it when the car is parked. Normally at home, you have a wall charger with an integrated charging cable. All the newer chargers are equipped with a charging cable, so it is only in an exceptional situation that you need to use your own cable, so you don't have to open the hood often.
Rear Camera: I see a lot of cars with a badge flap, that doesn't close anymore.
Rear trunk opening: The rear trunk can be opened in 4 ways: 1) button that you used 2) button on dashboard 3) button on smart key 4) automatically when you approach the rear of the car and wait for 3 seconds having the smart key in your pocket. This has to be set up in infotainment. So I think there is no reason to complain about it.
State of charge: on the front and the rear there are 4 LEDs on the place you wanted the camera (black plastic), to quickly indicate the state of charge without the need to check your phone or go to look at the charge door or charger.
Suspension: The suspension has personally be tuned and tested by german Engineer Albert Biermann, the guy who was responsible for the BMW motorsport suspension development in the '80s and '90s. So I don't think there is something wrong with it.
That is what I answered to people who were scared about this car after seeing your video:
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As an automotive engineer, I will try to explain what happens with the suspension. It may be long, but if you take the time to read it then you will be reassured.
In the past, they learned that the springs have to be calculated in function of the weight of the car. The higher the weight, the stiffer the springs. The shock absorbers are only used to damp the oscillations of the springs. So the springs had to do most of the job.
I have worked so until 1994, certainly on race cars. The driver had to avoid curbs, to prevent the car from jumping up uncontrollably, just because of this stiff suspension.
To give you an example a BMW 3 series race car at that time had springs with a rate of +/- 250 N/mm.
In 1994 BMW motorsport racing division changed the springs to only +/- 100 N/mm, which was more than twice so soft as before for the same car weight. For me a very strange decision, until I saw that they used much more sophisticated shock absorbers, where they could control bound and rebound oscillations as well as the speed they respond. The big difference was now that the shock absorbers instead of the springs now played the main role in the suspension setup. The result was that car was much stable, didn't jump any more on track curbs. The car was much more confident to drive and the track time improved with 2.0 sec a lap, which was a huge difference.
At that time suspension engineer Albert Biermann worked at BMW motorsport, so I am really sure he adopted this technique to the Ioniq 5 now as President and Head of Vehicle Test & High-Performance Development at Hyundai Motor/Kia Motors.
Because of the fact that an EV car is very heavy, he adopted relatively soft springs, with shock absorbers tuned in the way I explained above, they let bound and rebound the car once, to increase comfort, but at the same time increase road holding. The car rolls a little bit more but is more stable at the end.
In an exaggerated way you could compare it with a Citroen 2CV, inclining a lot, but never lose road contact.
You have to get used to it, but once you get used to it, you will have more and more confidence in the car.
See at what speed Charlie from Asian Petrolhead takes the corners, see also how the car reacts when passing speed bumps and you will understand.
I respect your opinion and your ideas. It's a pity you didn't go to the Hyundai Journalist presentation in Valencia to do a lot of km's.
I have some colleagues who already test this car and were very impressed, but I will try it myself in August.
What I could already see, is that how much they drive the car, how much they appreciate it, not always in the first test, but certainly in the second. The guy from Nextmove Germany has an organisation with 400 EV cars. Every day he drives different EVs from all different brands. The EV car that he bought for his own personal use is an IONIQ 5. This is convincing I think.
Kind Regards,
Jan
Finally, the Marek Review.
Thanks for being picky!
This car's interior looks completely different from what I saw in Korean reviews.
Hope I'll get to see glass ceiling with white interior.
That's because it's low/mid-spec depending on the market. You've probably seen the top trim with the fancy seat package.
@@MarekDrives yep, it was Rolls Royce white, not the Fiat black and brown )
I would change "Ionic" to "Bionic"
the car looks nice and with some point´s are able to live. But I still don´t want a full electric vehicle, I need a Hybrid.
So, I’m 50% through your Ioniq 5 review and all your comments so far apart bottle storage are negative, you are apparently the only car reviewer who does not rate this EV, I wonder why?
I think you think they are negative. I'm sorry, but my job is not to sing praise about cars.
@@MarekDrives I have watched you car reviews for many years and was a longtime subscriber although not recently to be honest. I always found you reviews unbiased and refreshingly honest but have to say certainly not this review which in my opinion found to be rather negative. Look at other comments in the review where other viewers are of the same opinion as me. Enjoy your weekend.
Other people's opinions never stopped me. A great weekend to you too!
Bravo.
Who the hell drives with their knees bent?
7:07
This person says the gear lever is on his knee with his right knee bent. Do you operate the accelerator and brake by hand? Or do you step on it with your left foot? Measure in the normal position with your right foot on the accelerator pedal.
This is the first time I've seen such nonsense.
Active Cruise Control.
Energy consumption is quite high and so is my opinion on the review. Thanks, Marek.
280 miles range see asian petrolhead for an unbiased review
lane keeping sassit far far superior to a crap german car
love the title
Pretty sure Elon is Disassembling one in this moment :-)
Lol
I cannot find any ioniq 5 displayed in dealerships in Canada! what is wrong with this country. Come on 🇨🇦!!!!!
I like the design, but I hate how huge it is! This is closer to American Pick-Up truck than Golf.
Also agree that Marek can be nitpicky, but the car obviously isn't as clever as everyone makes it out to be. I would rather have Kona.
Fwad de wuck indeed 🤣 another great review and honest opinion as always.
no chance he only likes german cars
@@seanholdom9739 I thought it was very balanced, some reviewers are falling over themselves hyping this car whilst missing the very obvious shortcomings.
@@zxyqwerty123 no shortcomongs see 99% of reviewers
Just don't beat up the beautiful ioniq 5 with your filthy mouth. I like it a lot so far!
It’s interesting how many viewers take Marek’s criticism of this car personally. Where would be the value of a review where host praises everything?
1st time viewer cant stand his energy !
OK, 60% covered now so I have to bail-out of your Ioniq 5 negative review, your music matches your negativity perfectly. The worst review I have seen from you accompanied with horrendous background. Music.
you are so biased 99% love this car and you don`t show many of the features of this car and is a lot cheaper than a fully loaded ID4,enyaq, Audi 5year warranty car of the year and 99% of car reviewers love this car.
Along with the Jaguar I-Pace, this is the best looking EV in my opinion. However, that's it for the positives.
This review was funny because this guy seemed to be very serious about ridiculous observations that don't make much sense. One funny example is he complains that his knee is too close to the gear stalk when he has his knee bent as much as possible. And then in the next segment you see him actually driving and his knee is nowhere near the gear stalk. LOL! In another part he talks about the lack of memory seat settings but the voice over says it's available in the higher trim. What? C'mon, this review was a joke.
I think that Marek has an agenda to trash this excellent EV
I think it's not an excellent EV, but an excellent marketing exercise.
I like the design, but think it will age quickly.
Holy shit, that moose test!
And this was only 50 km/h. I can't wait for km77 to get their hands on the IONIQ 5.
@@MarekDrives I was under the impression that, due to the low center of gravity and regenerative breaking, electric cars tend to do quite well in this test. Myth busted, what can I say? :-D
I'd still have a Tesla Model 3. Only thing that's in my way is my wife and her annoying valid arguments.
@vlad612 in theory they should be good, but in real life when you jerk 2 tons it's going to rock. More advanced cars have AWD, adaptive suspension, and other tech to help overcome it.
For some reason this Marek Guy seems toxic . Hes really angry at Hyundai for some reason. First time here , and this is my impression.
Watch the i20N review.
Amazing outside design, good space, good sound insulation but such a disappointment from the user interface and infotainment system. It is a car for Toyota and Lexus crowd who are used to such disappointments and sadness. But this car has no chance of hurting Tesla sales
Electric cars mean little more than "white goods" to me. Acceleration alone is just not enough. Also let's see some classic styling which makes a car attractive, not more boxy designs. At my age, I doubt I will ever have to buy one. Thank goodness.
They are appliances, but what is a Toyota Corolla?
For now the Porsche Taycan seems like a good try, albeit a pricey one. But give carmakers some time, and I'm sure we're going to get something more exciting to drive that runs on volts.
The Model 3 is pretty enjoyable to drive - easily as good as Merc, BMW or Audi in normal specs. Performance versions, maybe not, but how many people actually buy an M3 vs a normal 3 series BMW?. Tesla Model 3 is sharp and responsive.
@@MarekDrives I saw a gunmetal colour Taycan yesterday and it does look very impressive. Beautiful styling, so perhaps there is hope after all. Have a good day :-)
@@MarekDrives really? EVs have to be Porsche Taycans for them to be acceptable to you? Lol wow
@Jissan Huq we're distinguishing between a "white good", and an attractive car. I know it's subjective - I like the way the IONIQ 5 looks, but that 80s dot-matrix style may not suit everyone. However if you want an EV that stands out I'd say the Taycan is a good bet, as it incorporates many of the Porsche design characteristics, which many people seem to find generally acceptable.