Man, I need to install one of these on my wife's hair dryer. I swear, every time she's in there the lights start dimming like she's making Frankensteins monster. Thanks for the info...I may install one on my AC as well ;)
Installed the 16A today, put the black wire on the wrong side of the contactor and killed my 3 year old central Texas capacitor. Not too bad of a lesson, now I’m familiar with replacing the capacitor and have a backup for when this new one fails 🙃 Thank you for the video!
The price has jumped already. I can't find it for less than 189 for the 16 amp version. I ordered one and I can't wait to install this. Thank you for the how to install video!!
I am glad I watched til the end where you mentioned that high-efficiency units already have soft-start features because that is what kind of unit I have. I really enjoyed the way you took us through the process. Not very often that I look at an instructional video and come away with so much confidence. Thank you.
Installed a micro air brand two years ago. Been great so far. Installed it to be able to run my 3ton AC on a portable generator during hurricane season. Last year we got hit with Hurricane Ian here in SWFL . Lost power for about two weeks. Ran the whole house with AC on a portable generator thanks to soft start like these. I just recommend the ICM units to a few friends. Thanks for the great video.
Ditto on my unit. I’ve not had to go 14 days, but I have ran the entire house (2 ac units each with their own MicroAir ES) and they ran flawlessly. I’m pretty sure my bill is lower too since it’s reducing the running amps significantly.
In 33 years, I have seen disconnects simply wired around where the disconnect is essentially a junction box, or one of the legs wired around because of a melting situation etc, and they, for whatever reason, didn't change the disconnect. So....everything I ever disable gets confirmed with a hot stick before I touch a wire. I'm the nervous type. :) Great video.
Hi Tad, from Michigan here, this is the best ICM soft start video out there. You double checking the schematic for the correct wire colors was essential
This thing is B.S. and junk. They all are. It does NOT reduce anything. Using $50 clamp meters to measure modified sinewaves which fools the meter, and thinking the same motor with the same torque load on it now runs on one quarter of the current, is the findings of a fool.
I've used ICM Head pressure controllers, 3 phase voltage protectors and furnace control boards and have always had excellent results. I'm glad to see that they are making these soft starts. I'd been thinking about adding one to my RV's AC but other company's prices seemed exorbitant.
Thank you !! I’m not an HVAC professional but I can tell you that an AC or heat pump inrush current creates a lot of problems with computer equipment. It makes the power supply dirty. Inrush current has created a lot of problems with my computers. Fortunately I’m getting a high seer unit which should address this.
Thank you so much! I was stuck on my install, but following your instruction using the schematic I was able to complete my install. The issue I had was, there was no red wire coming off my compressor; it was yellow. Thanks again, subscribed! ✌🏾👊🏾
Hey Tadd I just wanted to say thanks for the great tip, I am in central florida and just installed a whole home generator and was concerned the a/c would trip. I think this whole install took me maybe 15 minutes. Great tip on checking the wiring diagram on the unit; a quick review of the diagram and this was plug and play. Again thanks so much!
Good afternoon, I wanted to ask you about a follow up to the icm870-16a. How is the quality of the construction? Also what is the life span of the ICM870? Is the ICM870 better than the Micro Air? Your thoughts. Thank you for your time.
I never knew something like this existed. When you start it up gradually, then definitely things will last longer! Super Idea. It's a great investment, better than calling someone out when it breaks.
Tedd you're the man!!!... even a simpleton like myself can go ahead and install one of this nifty devices with no issues if they follow your very well explained to the point instructions. Keep up the good work brother! 😎
Never tried one on AC units Tad, but you can bet the bank I’ll have one ordered tomorrow and on my units at my house by next week. Thanks for the insight. If I can see a change at my house I’ll be recommending to most of my PM customers for sure.
It's a pretty cool product I am very impressed and I'm very happy to have these and I may be able to get them direct for you I can let you know. give me about a week to figure everything out. Would you be interested in that. Wonder if more people would be interested I will do some research Thanks Mike
Thanks for your follow up interest. Unfortunately I didn’t get a chance to try. The HVAC company I purchased the ICM870 from refunded total cost plus shipping when I sent it back. He discontinued selling the control and sent back all his remaining stock to the manufacturer? Haven’t had a chance to to reorder from another source. Going to hold off a little and monitor feedback from other users. Can’t believe I’m the only one that has experienced this problem?
Mine failed after 31 days. I opened the case with the help of a heat gun. The internal CB60 100uf 330Vac failed and leaked oil all over the place. I replaced the capacitor with Amazon "Appli Parts motor start capacitor 108-130 Mfd (microfarads) uF 330 VAC universal fit for electric motor applications 1-7/16 in Wide 3-3/8 in Height CON-108-330" and the fuse with Ebay "NTE 5x20mm 12.5A 250V Fast Acting Ceramic Fuse". This fixed it.
Everyone was out of stock. I brought one one ebay for about $200. Money is no problem. Thanks for your video. Love your info. This will save me money on my unit and electrical bill. Thanks 😀
Great Video instruction. However, just curious what was the rushamp when hard starter was installed. Without hard starter the start amp was ~74. and with the soft start it is 24 something. But how much was it with the hard start? Hard starter are much cheaper.
Installed this item today. Thank you, the video made it super easy and I love the result. No more hard hit upon start-up. 👍 WARNING!!! UPDATE: The unit literally caught on fire and damn near burned down the condenser and possibly my house. Breaker tripped.
@@michaeloneil3239 So after talking to the manufacturer and the Amazon seller. This was a definitely NOT supposed to happen (obviously) and is an issue, but I also messed up. I was advised to but the 16v by a friend of mine who does HVAC. I think he thought I had a 3ton unit, but I only have a 1.5Ton unit (Trane). It was working fine for 2.5 days. Green light was on. Came home and smelled that "Just let the smoke out of electronics" smell... and oh boy. It burned badly. The entire compartment was toasted, but the ICM unit was completely melted and charred. Regardless, the ICM was wrongly sized to the condenser, but NEVER should have burst into flames as mine did. I have received a refund from the seller, but not sure what to do at this point.
I emailed ICM asking about the 32amp version. To my surprise I got an email from Zach at ICM and spoke with him on the phone. I told him I saw your video about their product. I think these will be very popular soon. Michael, Phx AZ
Hey Taddy, have you heard anything about why the ICM870-32a isn't available? We had a meeting with our distributor and the salesman for icm and the distributor placed an order but never heard anything after that. I was wondering if they found an issue. Icm870-32a isn't even on Amazon any more and nobody has seen any ever in Phx. We were looking forward to the noise reduction on start up because almost half of the houses here have units on roofs, even flat roofs.
It is good see people sharing knowledge Thanks But I have a question: I have an home a/c 5 - 6 tons. Is there some specifics model for my unit or it is an standard unit for any ac? Thanks
The wiring instructions are straight forward. Be careful...the unit is not made to be installed outdoors and if not must be enclosed in an outdoor enclosure. Suggest reminding folks to be sure and neutralize the run capacitor else risk of shock
Thanks for the great instructions . I bought 3 of the 870.16 for my 2 3 ton carrier units . 2 have failed in less than 10 days . The third is still going good , but im thru with this product . it's half price than micro air and i guess u get what u pay for . Im done with the 870-16
In mine, the ICM870 internal 100uf motor starting capacitor exploded and leaked. I was able to open the box with a heat gun and I replaced the capacitor and the fuse. It is working fine again.
Just added this soft start per your instructions and it worked great, came down from 84 amps to 30 amps at start, now is 27 amps at start after a few cycles, I noticed the compressor is quieter, also tried to run it with my Generac EXL 8000, 13500 starting watts connected to main panel, of course, with the emergency set up at main panel, running 5 ceiling fans and refrigerator inside my home and 1 ceiling fan and another refrigerator at the garage at the same time also with a few led lights and started the ac with little effort, no hiccups, thanks to your advise now I can relax thinking about my AC running again in emergencies.
Tad great video. This is a lot easier start on your compressor. It also can prevent lights dimmimg on HVAC unit start. Also by minimizing lock rotor amps you now have the ability to run your air conditioner on a lot smaller generator because you need a lower surge start current. I ordered one from Tad already to put on my unit. Can't wait to see this. It doesn't save on power bill because you still have the same running amps. Lock Rotor Amps typically two short to be measured by power company from a demand perspective as the are usually on a 30 min rolling window or in BCES case one hour block standpoint, but great compressor saver, quieter start, less likely to dim lights, and smaller generators. Great job Tad. Scott Owens General Manager Benton County Electric System P.S. Tad been watching your videos great content. Be happy to answer any power company questions from your followers. Can't wait to get put on mine.
Not every installation requires the features that the micro air offers. The micro air does allow diagnostic information to be sent to the company, the units firmware can be upgraded through the phone connectivity. Customized adjustments or firmware can be made if there is an issue. The micro air logs quite a bit of information which can be read through the phones Bluetooth connection. The ICM unit looks good and it’s probably sufficient for many installs. DIY people who live where the units are installed are more likely to use the connectivity features
Thanks for this video. If you go to the manufacturer video he’s got it all wrong. Never mentions splicing brown with Run wire. They obviously wired it up, it didn’t run then a tech came along and installed it for them and they just edited and posted
Great instructional video but why should I put one of these on my home AC? If I am not worried about power outages, no backup generator, no concern about sophisticated electronics impacted by HVAC starts etc. What am I missing??
Looking at my situation Sir do you feel a soft start can help my units with RLA of 10.5 & LRA of 47? It’s a duo 2.5ton hvac unit setup Or is its main purpose/function is use with generator? Which is a great feature!
@@jman0870 what are you taking about and where did you graduate?!? A hard start increases inrush current to reduce the start up time of the motor and that's why they have relays so the motors don't overheat/over amp. A soft start decreases inrush current helping extended the parts lifespan. They are not scams
@@dawildcatz87 LMAO hard starts don't increase inrush! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA A hard start uses a potential relay to bring a start capacitor in parallel with the run capacitor to counteract the massive amount of inductive reactants created on startup that naturally pushes the voltage and current out of phase on startup, massively reducing inrush. A soft start is a VERY BASIC vfd that uses pulse width modulation to "ramp" a motor to full speed. Those “soft starts” are glorified hard starts that learn the precise amount of time to drop a start capacitor into line. They have a start capacitor in them if you every took one apart 🤣🤣🤣 Stay in school super tech
These seem to have been out of stock for a while. Are they really popular or just having stock issues? Either way I think I will go with a microair. The price made me want this one, but its out of stock and when I looked at the reviews I saw enough negative ones that I am not willing to risk it.
My 16A model lasted 6 weeks before it died. I have 3-ton unit with an RLA of 15.1A and the soft start couldn't handle it long term. The product is not very good imo. Pay extra and get a better made unit.
Mine is arriving this week. I had to change out the cap and fan last year. This year will be the year of love for my AC unit. Thanks for showing this in a video. I really appreciate it. :) Update, cleaned the unit, installed the soft start, piece of cake. The PIA was reinstalling the coil surround. Ugh
@@TaddyDigest I can barely hear the compressor kick on. I also installed a brinmar sound cover for the compressor. It’s blowing nice cold air out of the registers. Thanks again for showing how to do this. Very concise
Well a few month after installation update. ICM is dead, so no LED lights, no compressor running. Removed soft start and went back old skool, and system works.
I don’t recommend supplyhouse for those out there. I bought this soft start from them 3 months ago. It failed, no refund available, but replacement to be sent out after they receive the defective product back at my cost of $23..00. So I am not happy with supplyhouse and I have no confidence in the longevity of the 870 soft start after viewing several posts from unhappy people that bought it through Amazon. There seems to be something that happened with the build quality. Tad, what’s your impression? Worth it? Or is it a roll of the dice? Since you’re in the industry it would be nice to get an opinion. Thanks
Thanks, man. Gonna be installing the ICM-870 32A version at the end of July when I can get a hold of one (seem to be OOS online everywhere). Why do HVAC pros recommend hard starts if the issue is the "hard start" noise and harshness? Yeah, they're like $15, but don't the hard starts decrease the life of the compressor? (so money grab and earlier replacement?) I like the quiet operation of these soft starts and the fact that my compressor will (should) last longer.
Hi Thank you so much for your video The ICM video was useless to me , that video expects everything to be labeled You explained it properly so no one should connect anything wrong. It’s hooked and running great But I have nothing labeled OLP or overload on my schematic?
Watching your video inspired me to run out and pick up one. My unit is about 15 years old and runs good. Had to replace the cap a couple of years ago but that’s it. Installed the ICM870 16A. My compressor 208-230V 13.6LRA and 76LRA so I believe I have the right one. As you mentioned wiring couldn’t be any easier. When I press in the control relay all I get is a low hum. Any ideas what’s going on? Went back to original wiring and compressor works normally. Suggestions greatly appreciated! Thanks
Hey Joe, I saw this on the manufacturer website. May be the reason. " ICM870-16A: For AC’s with a Compressor Load Amp Rating (RLA) of 9.1-16A - * Note: The ICM870-16A will handle a condenser up to about 2-1/2 tons " What size is your condenser? Not sure if that is the same size as the unit? Mine is a 4ton unit, not sure if it will work on mine. Apologize if I sound ignorant, just getting into DIY HVAC.
Hi Jason, Thanks for taking the time to respond. After about 4 days I was able to get some assistance from Tech Support at ICM. I emailed tech pics of condenser specs and wiring schematic. Tech said ICM870-16 was sized correctly. When I energized the contractor no lights lit. Line voltage was 240VAC top and bottom of contractor. All wiring was correct turns out I may have got a bad one. I reordered another and hoping for success. I really want this control to work! Joe
This I way off the list but great watching Question 🙋♂️ could it be used in different applications example TABLE SAW/POWER HAMMER (Blacksmith) ROOM DUST COLLECTOR(I have to bump the start on switch to get the catch bags from immediately inflate) Thanks
@@TaddyDigest wow answered so quickly I will be trying to send you a donation for helping out I’ll also try to figure it’s connections I’ve just learned a 2 wire version The motors are older than you 1900’s the table saw I bought at a garage sale in 1989 and it was used then. The Dust collector I’m not at shop is pretty good size. Ya just put a new project on my list of many Cheers
Appreciate the video! how would I go about finding out what amp ICM870 I need, the 16 or 32 if ALL my info on the inside of my panel is illegible lol.... every single thing is faded off the sticker.
Would have been nice to see more on the identification and removal of the existing hard start or a soft start component from the existing AC unit, that's the part that will be causing us AC DIYers the problem.
Curious how much it might reduce run amps. You didn't show it, and some people here are promoting the Micraire. I really don't need bluetooth and ICM says theirs is sealed so I'm not concerned about weatherproofing. I'd rather save the money as I need to purchase 2 soft start units.
Great video. Question: 78 amps at start-up. Is that at 120 or 240 volts? I would like to know how many watts does it takes to start up the unit at 78 amps. Also, are the same volts for the running? I know it's amps x volts = watts. Thanks.
Question: I have watched this several times but know that this is for a 16A is the 32A done practically the same way? I am doing this for my generator (to power my home) and I have followed the steps of this but I notice my contactor does not engage when my generator is trying to activate it. I have to push the contactor for the 4 min delay then it get the compressor running but as soon as it shuts off it will not get started again unless I hold it for the 4 min. Thanks
Most of the videos I have viewed show connections made to a double phase capacitor with 3 poles. However, I have a Trane heat pump system that is single phase (only 2 unmarked poles on top of cap). How would I connect a ICM870 soft start to my system....thank you
I have a small RV park and my electric bill is mostly demand charges. I have been trying to figure out a way to reduce demand. I can't control individual usage and easy start is not an option. Do you think using an inverter with a battery would reduce demand ? I have actually had to turn away one night campers because the demand fee for one night can be as much as $70, the same as one month. Any suggestions. I know this has nothing to do with the soft starter but I have no one else to ask. Thanks Ken.
Question for all you ac guys. I have 20 yrs experience. How come with a soft start kit I dont see the amps slowly increase, its always hard like a hard start kit. Ive tested hard start kits 521 and soft start kits. Ive found no difference from what I could tell, other then the fan coming on first before the compressor with the soft start kit. Are we sure a soft start kit is just not a hard start kit with a time delay to allow the fan to start up first? Im pretty sure an inverter is required for true soft start. Ive opened soft start kits, they contain the same relay and capacitor of 521 kits.
I have an additional Start Capacitor on my unit and can’t seem to find instructions on how to disconnect it any help is appreciated. I tried unhooking from run capacitor but the compressor doesn’t come on . Thank you in advance
Is the reason that you chose the 16Amp version exclusively because your RLA is less than 16 but more than 9 for the smaller soft start option? I think I'm following you on that. Great video so far!!!!!
Installing one on a Mobil home outside unit would be a good video if you get the chance to. I installed 15A one on my Advent RV AC and it's working great. Sound of start up is smooth. Like your video.
Hey Tad, I just installed this unit in central FL on my 1989 Carrier 2.5 T R-22 Heat pump and I got some different results than what you got with yours. My system is rated for 82 LRA and 16.5 RLA respectively. My actual LRA at start up was 84 prior to install and after it went down to only 16.03 but my unit goes into the delay mode for about 3 to 4 minutes before allowing the compressor to kick on while the fan motor is already running. The RLA also was cut in half to only 7.5 when the system is cooling. I have a newer fan motor on the heat pump and a newer 45/5 capacitor on this system and also it used to have a hard starter to help the compressor. Once again, this is from 1989! There are controversies about this unit saving you on your electric bill and what is your take on this?
My Air handler is in my attic so when the AC turns on I get 4 mins of warm air blown into my home before the cold air comes out. The 4 min Delay is at Every start. Is there any to Delay the Air Handler so this will not happen?
Is the 32A version worth it as I read that the 32A has a 4 min delay which causes your ac to blow hot air in your home at start up for the first 10 min? Or do you recommend a different brand for a 3.5 ton ac?
I have a 10 year old 3 ton Carrier unit that has a factory installed control board. It's a split unit (heat, air). What are my options with this device?
Man, I need to install one of these on my wife's hair dryer. I swear, every time she's in there the lights start dimming like she's making Frankensteins monster. Thanks for the info...I may install one on my AC as well ;)
lol hahaha
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Genius 😂😂
I bought one of those magic boxes and my stock investments rose 300%. Great product. My clamp confirmed it!!
Installed the 16A today, put the black wire on the wrong side of the contactor and killed my 3 year old central Texas capacitor. Not too bad of a lesson, now I’m familiar with replacing the capacitor and have a backup for when this new one fails 🙃
Thank you for the video!
This guy was the absolute BEST ever describing how to install step by step, very smart guy!!!
thanks 👍 😊
@@TaddyDigest Dont put one in, there junk and dont do what these guys say they do.
The price has jumped already. I can't find it for less than 189 for the 16 amp version. I ordered one and I can't wait to install this. Thank you for the how to install video!!
Did it work
I am glad I watched til the end where you mentioned that high-efficiency units already have soft-start features because that is what kind of unit I have. I really enjoyed the way you took us through the process. Not very often that I look at an instructional video and come away with so much confidence. Thank you.
You're welcome,
Thank you so much for taking the time to watch the whole video
More videos to come
Installed a micro air brand two years ago. Been great so far. Installed it to be able to run my 3ton AC on a portable generator during hurricane season. Last year we got hit with Hurricane Ian here in SWFL . Lost power for about two weeks. Ran the whole house with AC on a portable generator thanks to soft start like these. I just recommend the ICM units to a few friends. Thanks for the great video.
Glad to know the experience was good with the micro air.
Crazy experience, I'm sure through the hurricane.
Glad you're here and glad you're okay.
Ditto on my unit. I’ve not had to go 14 days, but I have ran the entire house (2 ac units each with their own MicroAir ES) and they ran flawlessly. I’m pretty sure my bill is lower too since it’s reducing the running amps significantly.
@@modestcody123 The soft start kits only lowers the LRA / in rush amps......running amps are the same.
@@darknes7800 It doesnt lower the starting amps either.
@@modestcody123 Yeah sure your bill is lower, that thing must be a mini power station, Lol
I learned that I need you to come over right now and install the soft start into my system! The sooner the better. North of Jacksonville Florida
lol hahahaha
Thanks! I pay 💰 those who teach me something. I wish the people I’ve taught over the last 40 years as instructor doing jobs for them!!!
PROSIT
Wow amazing thank you my friend
You are awesome I really appreciate you
@@TaddyDigest now I have to put my ole electronics cap on
Volts that make ya Jolt ⚡️ Amps that make ya Dance 💃
I love watching HVAC videos . I've been an aircraft mechanic for 25yrs and I am looking to change my career to be able to work in daylight!
That's awesome glad to hear my friend thank you for watching
In 33 years, I have seen disconnects simply wired around where the disconnect is essentially a junction box, or one of the legs wired around because of a melting situation etc, and they, for whatever reason, didn't change the disconnect. So....everything I ever disable gets confirmed with a hot stick before I touch a wire. I'm the nervous type. :) Great video.
Great advice! I had a rental property and someone had wired around the disconnect.
I'm nervous like you and it saved me from a nasty surprise.
Hi Tad, from Michigan here, this is the best ICM soft start video out there. You double checking the schematic for the correct wire colors was essential
Thank you my friend play appreciate the compliment and appreciate you watching.
This thing is B.S. and junk. They all are. It does NOT reduce anything. Using $50 clamp meters to measure modified sinewaves which fools the meter, and thinking the same motor with the same torque load on it now runs on one quarter of the current, is the findings of a fool.
I installed it yesterday and it works great. No more loud motor start. Thanks for the video.
your welcome brother Thank you for watching
It clearly says it’s not water proof or weatherproof. Glad you installed it on the inside unit .
For the record, ICM 870 is retailing for over $200 when tax is included, more if you add in shipping charges.
I've used ICM Head pressure controllers, 3 phase voltage protectors and furnace control boards and have always had excellent results. I'm glad to see that they are making these soft starts. I'd been thinking about adding one to my RV's AC but other company's prices seemed exorbitant.
Glad to know your experience has been good, that's excellent.
Definitely for the r v
Better for the generator if you use one
Thank you !!
I’m not an HVAC professional but I can tell you that an AC or heat pump inrush current creates a lot of problems with computer equipment. It makes the power supply dirty. Inrush current has created a lot of problems with my computers.
Fortunately I’m getting a high seer unit which should address this.
This soft start is actually not bad in cost compared to other brands. Good find👍 I also like the fact it’s pretty compact
You added the word “pretty”.
@@mrBDeyehow observant of you..
@@randybobandy9828 You are smarter than me. Exactly how is it pretty compact?
It’s not a soft start. It’s a scam. Just use a hard start.
@@jman0870 not the same thing 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
Thank you so much! I was stuck on my install, but following your instruction using the schematic I was able to complete my install. The issue I had was, there was no red wire coming off my compressor; it was yellow. Thanks again, subscribed! ✌🏾👊🏾
You're welcome my friend so glad this video helped
Hey Tadd I just wanted to say thanks for the great tip, I am in central florida and just installed a whole home generator and was concerned the a/c would trip. I think this whole install took me maybe 15 minutes. Great tip on checking the wiring diagram on the unit; a quick review of the diagram and this was plug and play. Again thanks so much!
That is awesome! Glad I could help.
Ted is my hero. Always direct with the info, no fancy shenanigans.
Thank you my brother
@@TaddyDigestTad is …. da best. 👍
Good afternoon,
I wanted to ask you about a follow up to the icm870-16a. How is the quality of the construction? Also what is the life span of the ICM870? Is the ICM870 better than the Micro Air? Your thoughts. Thank you for your time.
No but I'm going to test the existing cap, remove the existing HOT START and try and do this install. Thanks for the great video!
You're welcome my friend
I never knew something like this existed. When you start it up gradually, then definitely things will last longer! Super Idea. It's a great investment, better than calling someone out when it breaks.
Oh it will break, and the hvac guy will be disconnecting your bandaid box to get your system running again. Dont put one in.
Tedd you're the man!!!... even a simpleton like myself can go ahead and install one of this nifty devices with no issues if they follow your very well explained to the point instructions. Keep up the good work brother! 😎
Roque here, watching from KSA, from Philippines,,.
That's awesome
Wow I've installed 521 hard start kits I never seen the amperage drop that much that's a good product thanks for showing it
soft start not hot start / hard start. different shit.
Never tried one on AC units Tad, but you can bet the bank I’ll have one ordered tomorrow and on my units at my house by next week. Thanks for the insight. If I can see a change at my house I’ll be recommending to most of my PM customers for sure.
It's a pretty cool product I am very impressed and I'm very happy to have these and I may be able to get them direct for you I can let you know.
give me about a week to figure everything out. Would you be interested in that.
Wonder if more people would be interested
I will do some research
Thanks Mike
Let us know your direct price
Thx
Taddy, I just installed two of these on my units today and I'm amazed at the inrush reduction....
Excellent adrian Glad to hear this my friend
Thanks for your follow up interest. Unfortunately I didn’t get a chance to try. The HVAC company I purchased the ICM870 from refunded total cost plus shipping when I sent it back. He discontinued selling the control and sent back all his remaining stock to the manufacturer? Haven’t had a chance to to reorder from another source. Going to hold off a little and monitor feedback from other users. Can’t believe I’m the only one that has experienced this problem?
Thank you Taddy, amazing presentation, even taking the time to show schematics, the installation is pretty simple. I’ll give it a try.
Outstanding explication, especially the "not for mini-splts" ad on at the end. Thanks
You're welcome thank you for watching
Mine failed after 31 days. I opened the case with the help of a heat gun. The internal CB60 100uf 330Vac failed and leaked oil all over the place. I replaced the capacitor with Amazon "Appli Parts motor start capacitor 108-130 Mfd (microfarads) uF 330 VAC universal fit for electric motor applications 1-7/16 in Wide 3-3/8 in Height CON-108-330" and the fuse with Ebay "NTE 5x20mm 12.5A 250V Fast Acting Ceramic Fuse". This fixed it.
Everyone was out of stock. I brought one one ebay for about $200. Money is no problem. Thanks for your video. Love your info. This will save me money on my unit and electrical bill. Thanks 😀
Im afraid this will do nothing to lower your electrical bill, like, not even a little.
You're right. It will not save you money on your electric bill.
Great Video instruction. However, just curious what was the rushamp when hard starter was installed. Without hard starter the start amp was ~74. and with the soft start it is 24 something. But how much was it with the hard start? Hard starter are much cheaper.
Installed this item today. Thank you, the video made it super easy and I love the result. No more hard hit upon start-up. 👍
WARNING!!!
UPDATE: The unit literally caught on fire and damn near burned down the condenser and possibly my house. Breaker tripped.
Are you gonna sue?
maybe you messed up with the wiring, and it shorted out then tripped the circuit breaker.
woah any more info here? I just bought one today and you scared the crap out of me
the ICM caught fire? just making sure you weren't talking about the micro-air
@@michaeloneil3239 So after talking to the manufacturer and the Amazon seller. This was a definitely NOT supposed to happen (obviously) and is an issue, but I also messed up.
I was advised to but the 16v by a friend of mine who does HVAC. I think he thought I had a 3ton unit, but I only have a 1.5Ton unit (Trane). It was working fine for 2.5 days. Green light was on. Came home and smelled that "Just let the smoke out of electronics" smell... and oh boy. It burned badly. The entire compartment was toasted, but the ICM unit was completely melted and charred.
Regardless, the ICM was wrongly sized to the condenser, but NEVER should have burst into flames as mine did.
I have received a refund from the seller, but not sure what to do at this point.
I emailed ICM asking about the 32amp version. To my surprise I got an email from Zach at ICM and spoke with him on the phone. I told him I saw your video about their product. I think these will be very popular soon. Michael, Phx AZ
That's awesome news very cool brother
Hey Taddy, have you heard anything about why the ICM870-32a isn't available? We had a meeting with our distributor and the salesman for icm and the distributor placed an order but never heard anything after that. I was wondering if they found an issue. Icm870-32a isn't even on Amazon any more and nobody has seen any ever in Phx. We were looking forward to the noise reduction on start up because almost half of the houses here have units on roofs, even flat roofs.
It is good see people sharing knowledge
Thanks
But I have a question:
I have an home a/c 5 - 6 tons. Is there some specifics model for my unit or it is an standard unit for any ac?
Thanks
The wiring instructions are straight forward. Be careful...the unit is not made to be installed outdoors and if not must be enclosed in an outdoor enclosure. Suggest reminding folks to be sure and neutralize the run capacitor else risk of shock
Thank you so much for this video! It worked flawlessly on my 2.5T ac unit. Now I can run the ac off of solar and not only the grid🎉
You're welcome I am so glad this video was helpful to you.
Thanks for the great instructions . I bought 3 of the 870.16 for my 2 3 ton carrier units . 2 have failed in less than 10 days . The third is still going good , but im thru with this product . it's half price than micro air and i guess u get what u pay for . Im done with the 870-16
I wonder what happened
That's not good
Thank you for sharing this with me
I'll show the picture of the failed unit but don't know how . . basically it exploded
In mine, the ICM870 internal 100uf motor starting capacitor exploded and leaked. I was able to open the box with a heat gun and I replaced the capacitor and the fuse. It is working fine again.
Just added this soft start per your instructions and it worked great, came down from 84 amps to 30 amps at start, now is 27 amps at start after a few cycles, I noticed the compressor is quieter, also tried to run it with my Generac EXL 8000, 13500 starting watts connected to main panel, of course, with the emergency set up at main panel, running 5 ceiling fans and refrigerator inside my home and 1 ceiling fan and another refrigerator at the garage at the same time also with a few led lights and started the ac with little effort, no hiccups, thanks to your advise now I can relax thinking about my AC running again in emergencies.
Tad great video. This is a lot easier start on your compressor. It also can prevent lights dimmimg on HVAC unit start.
Also by minimizing lock rotor amps you now have the ability to run your air conditioner on a lot smaller generator because you need a lower surge start current. I ordered one from Tad already to put on my unit.
Can't wait to see this. It doesn't save on power bill because you still have the same running amps. Lock Rotor Amps typically two short to be measured by power company from a demand perspective as the are usually on a 30 min rolling window or in BCES case one hour block standpoint, but great compressor saver, quieter start, less likely to dim lights, and smaller generators.
Great job Tad.
Scott Owens
General Manager
Benton County Electric System
P.S. Tad been watching your videos great content. Be happy to answer any power company questions from your followers.
Can't wait to get put on mine.
You see these in a lot of larger commercial motors and we and many power company's require them on a certain hp or larger.
Excellent information
From a great source
Thank you my friend
Wow thank all 3 of you. Now I have a little more knowledge
So, although this wouldn't save any money on your utility bill, it could produce savings through a prolonged compressor life?
Not every installation requires the features that the micro air offers. The micro air does allow diagnostic information to be sent to the company, the units firmware can be upgraded through the phone connectivity. Customized adjustments or firmware can be made if there is an issue. The micro air logs quite a bit of information which can be read through the phones Bluetooth connection.
The ICM unit looks good and it’s probably sufficient for many installs.
DIY people who live where the units are installed are more likely to use the connectivity features
Thanks for this video. If you go to the manufacturer video he’s got it all wrong. Never mentions splicing brown with Run wire. They obviously wired it up, it didn’t run then a tech came along and installed it for them and they just edited and posted
HVAC SINCE 1985 and i learn some thing new every day..
Great instructional video but why should I put one of these on my home AC? If I am not worried about power outages, no backup generator, no concern about sophisticated electronics impacted by HVAC starts etc. What am I missing??
It just helps the compressor not to have huge startups Which can save it from being damaged
Looking at my situation
Sir do you feel a soft start can help my units with RLA of 10.5 & LRA of 47?
It’s a duo 2.5ton hvac unit setup
Or is its main purpose/function is use with generator? Which is a great feature!
Hey Tad i want to thank you for the tip on the icm870 put one on my trailer with a 13,500 and now i don't need but one of my Honda 2000i to run my ac.
That's great news I love to hear that thank you for telling me your experience
I kept seeing these at the part houses but never had the time to read the box while I was there. Thanks you, very informative.
Glad you enjoyed!
They aren’t soft starts. They are scams. Just use a hard start. A soft start is a basic drive that ramps a motor up. 🙄
@@jman0870 what are you taking about and where did you graduate?!? A hard start increases inrush current to reduce the start up time of the motor and that's why they have relays so the motors don't overheat/over amp. A soft start decreases inrush current helping extended the parts lifespan.
They are not scams
Thank you Chris.
@@dawildcatz87 LMAO hard starts don't increase inrush! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
A hard start uses a potential relay to bring a start capacitor in parallel with the run capacitor to counteract the massive amount of inductive reactants created on startup that naturally pushes the voltage and current out of phase on startup, massively reducing inrush.
A soft start is a VERY BASIC vfd that uses pulse width modulation to "ramp" a motor to full speed. Those “soft starts” are glorified hard starts that learn the precise amount of time to drop a start capacitor into line. They have a start capacitor in them if you every took one apart 🤣🤣🤣
Stay in school super tech
These seem to have been out of stock for a while. Are they really popular or just having stock issues? Either way I think I will go with a microair. The price made me want this one, but its out of stock and when I looked at the reviews I saw enough negative ones that I am not willing to risk it.
My 16A model lasted 6 weeks before it died. I have 3-ton unit with an RLA of 15.1A and the soft start couldn't handle it long term. The product is not very good imo. Pay extra and get a better made unit.
Great video: I’ve installed two on my AC’s. I get the same inrush amp as you, 22.7amps! Awesome stuff!! Thanks.
Nothing like a helpful black widow from time to time.
Mine is arriving this week. I had to change out the cap and fan last year. This year will be the year of love for my AC unit. Thanks for showing this in a video. I really appreciate it. :)
Update, cleaned the unit, installed the soft start, piece of cake. The PIA was reinstalling the coil surround. Ugh
excellent news thank you for watching
@@TaddyDigest I can barely hear the compressor kick on. I also installed a brinmar sound cover for the compressor. It’s blowing nice cold air out of the registers. Thanks again for showing how to do this. Very concise
Well a few month after installation update. ICM is dead, so no LED lights, no compressor running. Removed soft start and went back old skool, and system works.
I don’t recommend supplyhouse for those out there. I bought this soft start from them 3 months ago. It failed, no refund available, but replacement to be sent out after they receive the defective product back at my cost of $23..00. So I am not happy with supplyhouse and I have no confidence in the longevity of the 870 soft start after viewing several posts from unhappy people that bought it through Amazon. There seems to be something that happened with the build quality. Tad, what’s your impression? Worth it? Or is it a roll of the dice? Since you’re in the industry it would be nice to get an opinion. Thanks
Thanks, man. Gonna be installing the ICM-870 32A version at the end of July when I can get a hold of one (seem to be OOS online everywhere).
Why do HVAC pros recommend hard starts if the issue is the "hard start" noise and harshness?
Yeah, they're like $15, but don't the hard starts decrease the life of the compressor? (so money grab and earlier replacement?)
I like the quiet operation of these soft starts and the fact that my compressor will (should) last longer.
Hi
Thank you so much for your video
The ICM video was useless to me , that video expects everything to be labeled
You explained it properly so no one should connect anything wrong.
It’s hooked and running great
But I have nothing labeled OLP or overload on my schematic?
Glad it helped
Watching your video inspired me to run out and pick up one. My unit is about 15 years old and runs good. Had to replace the cap a couple of years ago but that’s it. Installed the ICM870 16A. My compressor 208-230V 13.6LRA and 76LRA so I believe I have the right one. As you mentioned wiring couldn’t be any easier. When I press in the control relay all I get is a low hum. Any ideas what’s going on? Went back to original wiring and compressor works normally. Suggestions greatly appreciated! Thanks
Any suggestion why the ICM870 doesn’t work?
Hey Joe, I saw this on the manufacturer website. May be the reason. " ICM870-16A: For AC’s with a Compressor Load Amp Rating (RLA) of 9.1-16A -
* Note: The ICM870-16A will handle a condenser up to about 2-1/2 tons "
What size is your condenser? Not sure if that is the same size as the unit? Mine is a 4ton unit, not sure if it will work on mine.
Apologize if I sound ignorant, just getting into DIY HVAC.
Hi Jason, Thanks for taking the time to respond. After about 4 days I was able to get some assistance from Tech Support at ICM. I emailed tech pics of condenser specs and wiring schematic. Tech said ICM870-16 was sized correctly. When I energized the contractor no lights lit. Line voltage was 240VAC top and bottom of contractor. All wiring was correct turns out I may have got a bad one. I reordered another and hoping for success. I really want this control to work! Joe
@@joetakayama1866 any luck with the replacement unit?
I did not now this was a thing..we’ve got an old window style air con unit that wakes us when it switches off & on, be great to have it quieter.
Is this install similar to installing on package unit
This I way off the list but great watching
Question 🙋♂️ could it be used in different applications example TABLE SAW/POWER HAMMER (Blacksmith) ROOM DUST COLLECTOR(I have to bump the start on switch to get the catch bags from immediately inflate)
Thanks
Yes it could be used in those applications
@@TaddyDigest wow answered so quickly I will be trying to send you a donation for helping out
I’ll also try to figure it’s connections I’ve just learned a 2 wire version
The motors are older than you 1900’s the table saw I bought at a garage sale in 1989 and it was used then. The Dust collector I’m not at shop is pretty good size. Ya just put a new project on my list of many
Cheers
Would you describe the difference between a HARD START kit, a SOFT START kit and a START ASSIST kit please.
Thank you for the detailed descriptions Taddy, especially for the electric installs. The why's, what's and where's . Have a blessed rest of the day.
Glad to help
Appreciate the video! how would I go about finding out what amp ICM870 I need, the 16 or 32 if ALL my info on the inside of my panel is illegible lol.... every single thing is faded off the sticker.
Would have been nice to see more on the identification and removal of the existing hard start or a soft start component from the existing AC unit, that's the part that will be causing us AC DIYers the problem.
After posting my question, just saw this. So this is why I am getting a fault I take it. I looked up my model number and it says it has a hard start.
Curious how much it might reduce run amps. You didn't show it, and some people here are promoting the Micraire. I really don't need bluetooth and ICM says theirs is sealed so I'm not concerned about weatherproofing. I'd rather save the money as I need to purchase 2 soft start units.
I learned that I need to put a soft-start on my AC compressor.
I have a Trane unit with a variable speed fan - starts up slowly. Will this reduce start up amps?
Great video. Question: 78 amps at start-up. Is that at 120 or 240 volts? I would like to know how many watts does it takes to start up the unit at 78 amps. Also, are the same volts for the running? I know it's amps x volts = watts. Thanks.
that's at 240 volt
Thank you
How do I know what soft start to get for my Lenox AC model # ML14XC1-060-230A04? LRA is 127.9, RLA is 22.2
great video! we saw most of You-tubers touch 2 terminals to drain the capacitor but you did not do it. Is it safe to do so? thanks
Question: I have watched this several times but know that this is for a 16A is the 32A done practically the same way? I am doing this for my generator (to power my home) and I have followed the steps of this but I notice my contactor does not engage when my generator is trying to activate it. I have to push the contactor for the 4 min delay then it get the compressor running but as soon as it shuts off it will not get started again unless I hold it for the 4 min. Thanks
Most of the videos I have viewed show connections made to a double phase capacitor with 3 poles. However, I have a Trane heat pump system that is single phase (only 2 unmarked poles on top of cap). How would I connect a ICM870 soft start to my system....thank you
What amps draw was with the installed start cap? I think it was the same with a fancy start cap. Also, you damaged the contactor with your drill(((
Could you expand on which model one might need. Is there a chart or something that would tell me weather I need the 9amp or 16amp. Thank you.
I would like to know this as well
I have a small RV park and my electric bill is mostly demand charges. I have been trying to figure out a way to reduce demand. I can't control individual usage and easy start is not an option. Do you think using an inverter with a battery would reduce demand ? I have actually had to turn away one night campers because the demand fee for one night can be as much as $70, the same as one month. Any suggestions. I know this has nothing to do with the soft starter but I have no one else to ask. Thanks Ken.
Perfect video. Very thorough. Perfect pace in your presentation. Awesome.
I'm hesitant to buy this because of the so many bad Amazon reviews about people complaining about it dying within days... what's up with that?
Is this best for 5ton units?
Thanks Ted, awesome Video
Going to make changes to my two compressors for a cold storage
Ok, Charleston South Carolina here. Riddle me this Coolerman. How does reducing power in to the unit affect the cooling power?? I'm confused here.
It doesn't affect the cooling power
It reduces the wear and tear on the compressor.
Question for all you ac guys. I have 20 yrs experience. How come with a soft start kit I dont see the amps slowly increase, its always hard like a hard start kit. Ive tested hard start kits 521 and soft start kits. Ive found no difference from what I could tell, other then the fan coming on first before the compressor with the soft start kit. Are we sure a soft start kit is just not a hard start kit with a time delay to allow the fan to start up first? Im pretty sure an inverter is required for true soft start. Ive opened soft start kits, they contain the same relay and capacitor of 521 kits.
How fo you know if it should have 9A, 16A, or 32A?
Dear sir, ¿can one install one of these on a garage door opener, kindly? Thank you for your video.
I have an additional Start Capacitor on my unit and can’t seem to find instructions on how to disconnect it any help is appreciated. I tried unhooking from run capacitor but the compressor doesn’t come on . Thank you in advance
Is the reason that you chose the 16Amp version exclusively because your RLA is less than 16 but more than 9 for the smaller soft start option? I think I'm following you on that. Great video so far!!!!!
yes absolutely
there are different features between the ICM and Microaire. Good info thanks
It would be nice to mention the differences, since you know.
@@jonbartosch1903 I posted the differences but for some reason they were deleted. My comment was deleted Not sure why.
Installing one on a Mobil home outside unit would be a good video if you get the chance to. I installed 15A one on my Advent RV AC and it's working great. Sound of start up is smooth. Like your video.
Can you explain why the 16 amp version shown is good for the 22 amps measured on the test?
I read on some reviews this item has a 4 min dely to start up. Is that true?
Is the soft start and easy start the same thing?
Hey Tad, I just installed this unit in central FL on my 1989 Carrier 2.5 T R-22 Heat pump and I got some different results than what you got with yours. My system is rated for 82 LRA and 16.5 RLA respectively. My actual LRA at start up was 84 prior to install and after it went down to only 16.03 but my unit goes into the delay mode for about 3 to 4 minutes before allowing the compressor to kick on while the fan motor is already running. The RLA also was cut in half to only 7.5 when the system is cooling. I have a newer fan motor on the heat pump and a newer 45/5 capacitor on this system and also it used to have a hard starter to help the compressor. Once again, this is from 1989! There are controversies about this unit saving you on your electric bill and what is your take on this?
The actual soft start will not save you money on your electric bill, but it will help reduce compressor damage during startup
I almost bought a Micro-Air.. Glad I found this video first. Thanks for the info!
your welcome Glad you watched it 😊
Micro air are double the price. Would be nice to see RUclipsr install on a 5 ton AC
My Air handler is in my attic so when the AC turns on I get 4 mins of warm air blown into my home before the cold air comes out. The 4 min Delay is at Every start. Is there any to Delay the Air Handler so this will not happen?
Does this have any change to the full cycle kw usage?
Question. Will this save you energy ? Or just longevity on equipment? Thank you in advance
Just longevity of the equipment
Anybody have any idea how reliable these devices are? Will they last 5 years?
Is the 32A version worth it as I read that the 32A has a 4 min delay which causes your ac to blow hot air in your home at start up for the first 10 min? Or do you recommend a different brand for a 3.5 ton ac?
How will this affect light bill, will this help reduce it.
It will do nothing for the light bill. It doesn't help you save money. It helps the compressor
@@TaddyDigest thank you
Great video ! Will this device also save me money on my electricity bill since it lowers the start up current ?
No, sir. It will not save you money on the electric bill
Is there a down side to the soft start
I have a 10 year old 3 ton Carrier unit that has a factory installed control board. It's a split unit (heat, air). What are my options with this device?