Love it. I am surprised how many youtubers stuff refrigerator sized Altec PA speakers into 600 square foot studio apartments in Tokyo, NYC and Hong Kong. Half of getting the right speaker/room symmetry is to know your limits. Sometimes less is more if it produces a smoother bass interaction in the room.
This is a very important topic and it would help many like me to see how you dial in the speaker position in a future video. There are many online materials/guides on speaker placements which are good on the theory but a working video on this topic would be very helpful.
Jay this is great and nice that Lars was willing to do this. This type of content is welcomed and engages viewers with a fresh perspective that is more realistic.
Why are these experts incorrectly calling the wall behind the speakers “the back wall”? It’s properly named the front wall. The back wall is the wall behind the listening position.
Being in the presentation or out of the presentation attending the performance is a matter of musical taste, right? 12 hours later: I tried some of your recommendations, starting at 1.25 X tweeter to tweeter width. Ok, after listening to 1.25 x 1 with 6 to 7 degrees of toe-in, I love it! After getting the toe-in right, the soundstage width, depth, and imaging are now amazingly more realistic! You are right, Jay! 😊 I probably never would have tried this setup if I had not seen this video. I had always been a speakers pointed straight out with a slight toe listener, 1.5 x 1. Thanks for this video. Update: I went 1.15 x 1, and the stage realism is larger and feels more natural in size. Update: 2/16/23. Tried moving speakers further apart, but the sound deteriorated in my situation. Staying at 1.15 x 1.
There must be something with this setup that works. Mikey's speakers are positioned this way as well. You liked both systems a lot. Do a vid of trying this setup in your room. I just took my bass traps out of the corners and put them where the gentleman suggested. too new of a change in my system to comment yet.
Thanks for the vid. I’ve tried setting up my speakers in many ways, and I personally get the best imaging and soundstage with them aprox 3 ft. from the front wall, aprox 2 ft from the sidewalls, with a slight toe in, and my listening chair about 6-7 ft. away, as that’s about all the room I’ve got. (I’ve got nothing in the corners, btw. 🤣) I used Ron from New Record Days LOTS way of setting them up. I’d think it’s different depending on the speaker. I’ve tried near field listening too. Btw, I recognize the voice in the background as being, Chris from FL, who went to see OCD Mikey, and was in one of his vids explaining his great experience listening to Mikey’s rig.
This is such a critical video and it took me way too long to find out how much placement has to do with it. My question for the group is that I have NOT had any luck in my "squarish" room with nearfield. It seems like the bass disappears if you get out into a third of the room anyone else have that experience?
Jay- I wanted to ask you a question regarding your own set up specific to the couch placement. From the videos it doesn't appear that there is enough distance like 4 ft or above between the two and I am wondering how you are able to mitigate all back wall reflections specifically the low frequencies. Your absorbers/diffusers on the back wall wouldn't be able to handle low end reflections below 200 hz. Hence the question.
Yes ! Do, di, do, doth. That is bass! woo, diwoo, doow, dootho. That is not a bass line. 🥰👍🎵🎶 Very interesting with that far apart, remind me of OCD Mikey panels that also were far apart when you were there.👍
Amazing in 2022 (almost 100 years after the invention) that the best science has to offer is trial and error to find positions and angles for audio to sound, "magical." I smell a rat.
It's not a rat. It just that there are so many variables to consider that the basic formulas often fail in practice... Because it is not a basic problem.
What are your thoughts on this type of content? This was a very spontaneous video by the way.
Leave me your comments below!
Love it. I am surprised how many youtubers stuff refrigerator sized Altec PA speakers into 600 square foot studio apartments in Tokyo, NYC and Hong Kong. Half of getting the right speaker/room symmetry is to know your limits. Sometimes less is more if it produces a smoother bass interaction in the room.
This is a very important topic and it would help many like me to see how you dial in the speaker position in a future video. There are many online materials/guides on speaker placements which are good on the theory but a working video on this topic would be very helpful.
Love these type of vids HANDS ON APPROACH
Good content- Placement and room treatment is very important! Who is the Danish gentleman with the blue shirt?
Jay this is great and nice that Lars was willing to do this. This type of content is welcomed and engages viewers with a fresh perspective that is more realistic.
Why are these experts incorrectly calling the wall behind the speakers “the back wall”? It’s properly named the front wall. The back wall is the wall behind the listening position.
There is a lot of confusion about this
@@jaysaudiolab Sorry, but there is not.
The back wall from the speakers... duh
Hilarious when he said f**kin. Classic 😂🤣😂
Lol
Being in the presentation or out of the presentation attending the performance is a matter of musical taste, right? 12 hours later: I tried some of your recommendations, starting at 1.25 X tweeter to tweeter width. Ok, after listening to 1.25 x 1 with 6 to 7 degrees of toe-in, I love it! After getting the toe-in right, the soundstage width, depth, and imaging are now amazingly more realistic! You are right, Jay! 😊 I probably never would have tried this setup if I had not seen this video. I had always been a speakers pointed straight out with a slight toe listener, 1.5 x 1. Thanks for this video. Update: I went 1.15 x 1, and the stage realism is larger and feels more natural in size. Update: 2/16/23. Tried moving speakers further apart, but the sound deteriorated in my situation. Staying at 1.15 x 1.
When they are out in the room its like stepping into the music, quite fascinating actually.
I think it's great!!!!!!!!!!!...........Good idea!!!!
Thanks Jay for the great tip. Moved my speakers forward with and what a wonderful presentation I got. 👏 good stuff !
Nice, Can you guys come to my home and setup my speakers, you guys should do this, something to think about!
Even my wife said inches can make a difference. 😜
Lol
Hello Jay. Looking forward to the video.
By the way, if you want a turntable, one you should consider is Bergman airbearing turntables.
6:50 Jay is laughing and in his room he has corner traps LOL
Jay, I always enjoyed Lars demos at shows!! He was with Raidho Speakers before joining Borresen.
There must be something with this setup that works. Mikey's speakers are positioned this way as well. You liked both systems a lot. Do a vid of trying this setup in your room. I just took my bass traps out of the corners and put them where the gentleman suggested. too new of a change in my system to comment yet.
This is a great video…
Thanks for the vid. I’ve tried setting up my speakers in many ways, and I personally get the best imaging and soundstage with them aprox 3 ft. from the front wall, aprox 2 ft from the sidewalls, with a slight toe in, and my listening chair about 6-7 ft. away, as that’s about all the room I’ve got. (I’ve got nothing in the corners, btw. 🤣) I used Ron from New Record Days LOTS way of setting them up. I’d think it’s different depending on the speaker. I’ve tried near field listening too. Btw, I recognize the voice in the background as being, Chris from FL, who went to see OCD Mikey, and was in one of his vids explaining his great experience listening to Mikey’s rig.
This is such a critical video and it took me way too long to find out how much placement has to do with it. My question for the group is that I have NOT had any luck in my "squarish" room with nearfield. It seems like the bass disappears if you get out into a third of the room anyone else have that experience?
I have Magnepan speakers so having the speakers away from the wall is the only option.
Well I just looked up the price of Boressen speakers and my hopes and dreams were shattered again lol
That's why I only do near field listening until I can afford a treated room
Jay- I wanted to ask you a question regarding your own set up specific to the couch placement. From the videos it doesn't appear that there is enough distance like 4 ft or above between the two and I am wondering how you are able to mitigate all back wall reflections specifically the low frequencies. Your absorbers/diffusers on the back wall wouldn't be able to handle low end reflections below 200 hz. Hence the question.
Excellent
How do the X3 compare to the Sasha Daw??
My good old viking friend Lars. Haven´t seen him since 2015.
isnt this speaker placement 101 - hasnt everyone been doing this forever. is this a video for people who have just bought speakers form the 1st time?
Many people will suggest treat the room than place the speaker. Making their listening room like recording studio.
Those speakers were exceptionally good and did not apply to established rules
Jay, how do i get a hold of you for consultation?
jayaudiolab@gmail.com
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7:53 hes praising it yet he didnt get a borresen
Yes ! Do, di, do, doth.
That is bass!
woo, diwoo, doow, dootho.
That is not a bass line. 🥰👍🎵🎶
Very interesting with that far apart, remind me of OCD Mikey panels that also were far apart when you were there.👍
Amazing in 2022 (almost 100 years after the invention) that the best science has to offer is trial and error to find positions and angles for audio to sound, "magical." I smell a rat.
It's not a rat. It just that there are so many variables to consider that the basic formulas often fail in practice... Because it is not a basic problem.
Jay what is your e-mail address…?
jayaudiolab@gmail.com
lars christesen wice man from denmark :-)